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By *hortie OP Woman
over a year ago
Northampton |
Beam me up Scottie, this planet sucks 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33284937?SThisFB&fb_ref=Default
A man has been beheaded and at least one other person injured in a suspected Islamist attack on a gas factory near the French city of Lyon.
There were several small explosions, possibly caused by gas canisters, at the Air Products factory in Saint-Quentin-Fallavier, sources said.
A man has been arrested by anti-terror police, officials say.
Reports suggest two attackers drove into the factory carrying a flag with Arabic writing on it.
French President Francois Hollande will leave the EU summit in Brussels this afternoon and return to France. He is expected to give a news conference before travelling.
Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve is said to be on his way to the scene.
The attack occurred around 10:00 local time (08:00 GMT), according to local media.
According to French regional newspaper Le Dauphine Libere, a man was seen driving back and forth in front of the target building earlier this morning.
The man in custody has no ID papers and has refused to talk to anti-terrorism police, reports French broadcaster BFM TV. |
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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I'd say they should bring back the guillottine for these sort of acts but that'd only martyr the misguided that commit these acts in their twisted interpretation of a faith that doesn't teach this idiom at all |
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over a year ago
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Reported that the head was found wedged on a spike with Islamic slogans on.
Primitive scum.
I hope the world sits up and takes action against such hate. |
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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"Reported that the head was found wedged on a spike with Islamic slogans on.
Primitive scum.
I hope the world sits up and takes action against such hate. "
we're in a catch-22 tho, our past has fuelled the divide and western interference and manipulations to gain access to mineral reserves and such have added to it. You can't fight hate with hate, but a warm hug ain't gonna fix it either.
Alex Salmon on question time the other day put it quite well, maybe its time to apologise for some of the past wrongs like the illegal war in Iraq... |
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"Reported that the head was found wedged on a spike with Islamic slogans on.
Primitive scum.
I hope the world sits up and takes action against such hate.
we're in a catch-22 tho, our past has fuelled the divide and western interference and manipulations to gain access to mineral reserves and such have added to it. You can't fight hate with hate, but a warm hug ain't gonna fix it either.
Alex Salmon on question time the other day put it quite well, maybe its time to apologise for some of the past wrongs like the illegal war in Iraq..."
I'm pretty sure an apology isn't going to fix anything either. Everybody in that part of the world have strong agendas which cannot be fixed. Should never have poked our noses in the first place.
However it's now the worlds problem. Can't see a solution sadly. |
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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"Reported that the head was found wedged on a spike with Islamic slogans on.
Primitive scum.
I hope the world sits up and takes action against such hate.
we're in a catch-22 tho, our past has fuelled the divide and western interference and manipulations to gain access to mineral reserves and such have added to it. You can't fight hate with hate, but a warm hug ain't gonna fix it either.
Alex Salmon on question time the other day put it quite well, maybe its time to apologise for some of the past wrongs like the illegal war in Iraq...
I'm pretty sure an apology isn't going to fix anything either. Everybody in that part of the world have strong agendas which cannot be fixed. Should never have poked our noses in the first place.
However it's now the worlds problem. Can't see a solution sadly. "
it ain't gonna fix it in one go, no, but the west is probably seen as arrogant because we don't. We may believe in forgiveness in our warm comfy bubble, but persecuted peoples will rarely see it this way.
Islam used to be a leading light in the progress of science, culture etc, but localised cultural influences have ground it to a standstill and into regression. Man manipulates religion to control peoples, true of every religion out there and now we've a very polarised world.
Hopefully some of these leaders will find a way forward, but shaking a big stick will just add fuel to the fire and that seems to be the more usual approach from the big bully nations like the US. |
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Nothing to worry about, just isolated incidents!,we will be told!.
They have mental health issues and it is nothing to do with Islam we will be asured by our leader,Mr Cameron will re asure us (Again!) that Islam is a peacefull Religion!.
These "Isolated incidents" seem to be happening quite regular now in Europe and we are assured it is nothing to do with Islam even though the attackers are all Moslems!.
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Alex Salmon on question time the other day put it quite well, maybe its time to apologise for some of the past wrongs like the illegal war in Iraq...
What's your definition of an illegal war? |
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
Lordswood |
"Nothing to worry about, just isolated incidents!,we will be told!.
They have mental health issues and it is nothing to do with Islam we will be asured by our leader,Mr Cameron will re asure us (Again!) that Islam is a peacefull Religion!.
These "Isolated incidents" seem to be happening quite regular now in Europe and we are assured it is nothing to do with Islam even though the attackers are all Moslems!.
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it isn't islam that teaches violence, in the same way that christianity didn't teach us to go on crusades killing muslims. The problem is the way religion gets twisted by those who want to wield power and instill hatred toward others, extremism exists in all the world's major religions. Islam has its own "civil war" going on too, Sunni/Shia at odds about the true faith. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"now reports of an attack going on in a holiday resort on tunisa.... its kicking off everywhere"
Fucking savages. I wonder if butchering unarmed and innocent people gives them a hard on?
Enough is enough. The Tunisians will have a tough job preventing this in the future but I think the French will react quite robustly. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Reported that the head was found wedged on a spike with Islamic slogans on.
Primitive scum.
I hope the world sits up and takes action against such hate.
we're in a catch-22 tho, our past has fuelled the divide and western interference and manipulations to gain access to mineral reserves and such have added to it. You can't fight hate with hate, but a warm hug ain't gonna fix it either.
Alex Salmon on question time the other day put it quite well, maybe its time to apologise for some of the past wrongs like the illegal war in Iraq..."
Therein SNP foreign policy. Say sorry, shake hands and everything will be ok.... as if.
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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Alex Salmon on question time the other day put it quite well, maybe its time to apologise for some of the past wrongs like the illegal war in Iraq...
What's your definition of an illegal war?"
really?
What was the real reason for the invasion of Iraq?
Iraq attacked Kuwait because it was illegally tapping their oil. They warned Kuwait but they ignored and continued. Of course the US then backed it's puppet and retaliated against Iraq. And like a good puppy the UK helped.
The UK and US had no business going in there, especially not a second time for GW to finish what daddy had started.
What was a stable if oppressive regime has been replaced with chaos as a result and now tipped the muslim states into what may become a religious war that impacts us all. Democracy is great but isn't the answer for all nations but the west seems to want to impose this ideal without looking to the lessons of history. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"now reports of an attack going on in a holiday resort on tunisa.... its kicking off everywhere
Fucking savages. I wonder if butchering unarmed and innocent people gives them a hard on?
Enough is enough. The Tunisians will have a tough job preventing this in the future but I think the French will react quite robustly."
local authorities as saying at least 19 have been killed.... i am betting a lot of british tourists are caught up in this....
some of the pictures turning up on twitter are so sad to see |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"seems a Shia mosque in Kuwait was also bombed this morning - suicide attack but no idea yet who did this. Quite likely from the other branch of the same faith given their differences..."
yep... ISIS are mainly Sunni.... and ISIS dont consider shia to be "muslim" as such.... they consider them to be animals.....
it is going to put a ton more pressure on Saudi Arabia in the Region |
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"Reported that the head was found wedged on a spike with Islamic slogans on.
Primitive scum.
I hope the world sits up and takes action against such hate.
we're in a catch-22 tho, our past has fuelled the divide and western interference and manipulations to gain access to mineral reserves and such have added to it. You can't fight hate with hate, but a warm hug ain't gonna fix it either. "This"
Alex Salmon on question time the other day put it quite well, maybe its time to apologise for some of the past wrongs like the illegal war in Iraq...
I'm pretty sure an apology isn't going to fix anything either. Everybody in that part of the world have strong agendas which cannot be fixed. Should never have poked our noses in the first place. " When looking back Saddam Hussein by going into beirut And Invadeing changed history by Bringing in the Intervention of Allied Troops and createing not just the gulf War, but everything that has happened After it, anything he did that was Good before meant nothing to the havoc He created, human rights meant nothing To him so thats why he did what he did, It should not be a hard call to Decide which is right and wrong but When ever profit is present that will Dilude and blind many and those it Does,nt will at least be tempted who Are in power, enough to bring us into A war with fanatics, on hindsight you Can think back about why we went in as We all know I won,t argue that whatever good came out of it to start with was to be unraveled later and Haveing to deal with such crazed people now is a massive one, when in the last 1000 years has there been a space of 50 years when no troubles have existed in the arab/muslim world
in the far east its always been a hot bed for trouble for those who want it.
However it's now the worlds problem. Can't see a solution sadly. "
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
Lordswood |
"Reported that the head was found wedged on a spike with Islamic slogans on.
Primitive scum.
I hope the world sits up and takes action against such hate.
we're in a catch-22 tho, our past has fuelled the divide and western interference and manipulations to gain access to mineral reserves and such have added to it. You can't fight hate with hate, but a warm hug ain't gonna fix it either. "This"
Alex Salmon on question time the other day put it quite well, maybe its time to apologise for some of the past wrongs like the illegal war in Iraq...
I'm pretty sure an apology isn't going to fix anything either. Everybody in that part of the world have strong agendas which cannot be fixed. Should never have poked our noses in the first place. " When looking back Saddam Hussein by going into beirut And Invadeing changed history by Bringing in the Intervention of Allied Troops and createing not just the gulf War, but everything that has happened After it, anything he did that was Good before meant nothing to the havoc He created, human rights meant nothing To him so thats why he did what he did, It should not be a hard call to Decide which is right and wrong but When ever profit is present that will Dilude and blind many and those it Does,nt will at least be tempted who Are in power, enough to bring us into A war with fanatics, on hindsight you Can think back about why we went in as We all know I won,t argue that whatever good came out of it to start with was to be unraveled later and Haveing to deal with such crazed people now is a massive one, when in the last 1000 years has there been a space of 50 years when no troubles have existed in the arab/muslim world
in the far east its always been a hot bed for trouble for those who want it.
However it's now the worlds problem. Can't see a solution sadly. "
most of the arab states are/were governed tribal regions, with a strong leader in dictatorial position. Depose that leader and you have chaos which is what the west keeps doing, a catastrophic policy to follow again and again.
Libya - essentially 3 divides which won't easily co-exist
Iraq - much the same
Syria - Sunni/Shia
Iran/Iraq - again shia/sunni opposing each other across a border
etc
Sure an apology won't produce an instant fix, but continuing the way we have done will certainly fuel the crisis till it explodes in our faces - oh wait, it already did.
It's true that financial power/gain is a major driving force, it's the reason the US and others are so keen to have compliant leaders so they can have better terms, disregarding the interests of the peoples in these countries. The west was quick to arm Iraq when they wanted Iran subjugated then turned against them later. |
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"Reported that the head was found wedged on a spike with Islamic slogans on.
Primitive scum.
I hope the world sits up and takes action against such hate.
we're in a catch-22 tho, our past has fuelled the divide and western interference and manipulations to gain access to mineral reserves and such have added to it. You can't fight hate with hate, but a warm hug ain't gonna fix it either. "This"
Alex Salmon on question time the other day put it quite well, maybe its time to apologise for some of the past wrongs like the illegal war in Iraq...
I'm pretty sure an apology isn't going to fix anything either. Everybody in that part of the world have strong agendas which cannot be fixed. Should never have poked our noses in the first place. " When looking back Saddam Hussein by going into beirut And Invadeing changed history by Bringing in the Intervention of Allied Troops and createing not just the gulf War, but everything that has happened After it, anything he did that was Good before meant nothing to the havoc He created, human rights meant nothing To him so thats why he did what he did, It should not be a hard call to Decide which is right and wrong but When ever profit is present that will Dilude and blind many and those it Does,nt will at least be tempted who Are in power, enough to bring us into A war with fanatics, on hindsight you Can think back about why we went in as We all know I won,t argue that whatever good came out of it to start with was to be unraveled later and Haveing to deal with such crazed people now is a massive one, when in the last 1000 years has there been a space of 50 years when no troubles have existed in the arab/muslim world
in the far east its always been a hot bed for trouble for those who want it.
However it's now the worlds problem. Can't see a solution sadly.
most of the arab states are/were governed tribal regions, with a strong leader in dictatorial position. Depose that leader and you have chaos which is what the west keeps doing, a catastrophic policy to follow again and again.
Libya - essentially 3 divides which won't easily co-exist
Iraq - much the same
Syria - Sunni/Shia
Iran/Iraq - again shia/sunni opposing each other across a border
etc
Sure an apology won't produce an instant fix, but continuing the way we have done will certainly fuel the crisis till it explodes in our faces - oh wait, it already did.
It's true that financial power/gain is a major driving force, it's the reason the US and others are so keen to have compliant leaders so they can have better terms, disregarding the interests of the peoples in these countries. The west was quick to arm Iraq when they wanted Iran subjugated then turned against them later."
Yes money is the root of all Evil no money no evil no nothing actually..  |
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over a year ago
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So basically they used the riots as a way to hide in plain site.
It's sad, it only a mattter of time it comes over here because they want to make international headlines.
Whatever happened to "thou shall not kill?" Shall only God can be a judge, these people are not muslim but people who want to know what it feels like to kill.
I am sure some are tired of the unrealistic killing in videos games and want to know what they real thing feels like. |
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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"So basically they used the riots as a way to hide in plain site.
It's sad, it only a mattter of time it comes over here because they want to make international headlines.
Whatever happened to "thou shall not kill?" Shall only God can be a judge, these people are not muslim but people who want to know what it feels like to kill.
I am sure some are tired of the unrealistic killing in videos games and want to know what they real thing feels like."
could well be a reason some yoof have gone to fight in syria, to feel the real "thrill" |
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To be honest. Take a step back. Have a look at the way an incident receives media coverage.
A white guy in America who does the same is a 'lone wolf' and 'mentally unstable'. However, a 'Muslim' guy who suddenly does this and the coverage is portrayed very differently.
It's convenient how all this occurs one after the other so as to divert attention away from one thing.
Just saying.
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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"To be honest. Take a step back. Have a look at the way an incident receives media coverage.
A white guy in America who does the same is a 'lone wolf' and 'mentally unstable'. However, a 'Muslim' guy who suddenly does this and the coverage is portrayed very differently.
It's convenient how all this occurs one after the other so as to divert attention away from one thing.
Just saying.
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or to draw attention back...? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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This barbaric act could happen in this country at any time in fact it did a couple of years ago look at the soldier drummer Rigby God rest his soul and it will happen again and again and what do we do about it nothing |
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"To be honest. Take a step back. Have a look at the way an incident receives media coverage.
A white guy in America who does the same is a 'lone wolf' and 'mentally unstable'. However, a 'Muslim' guy who suddenly does this and the coverage is portrayed very differently.
It's convenient how all this occurs one after the other so as to divert attention away from one thing.
Just saying.
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Except for when the attack by a white guy is a terrorist attack being perpetrated by a terrorist (Timothy McVeigh, Anders Breivik) when it's referred to as a terrorist attack, and they're referred to as a terrorist... |
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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"This barbaric act could happen in this country at any time in fact it did a couple of years ago look at the soldier drummer Rigby God rest his soul and it will happen again and again and what do we do about it nothing "
but what do you suggest is done about it?
it's like a hydra, each of their heads you chop off another 2 will appear to replace it. Eye for an eye just isn't gonna fix anything. Best to capture and jail than kill them, so depriving them of the martyrdom they seek |
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"To be honest. Take a step back. Have a look at the way an incident receives media coverage.
A white guy in America who does the same is a 'lone wolf' and 'mentally unstable'. However, a 'Muslim' guy who suddenly does this and the coverage is portrayed very differently.
It's convenient how all this occurs one after the other so as to divert attention away from one thing.
Just saying.
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I have an open mind and respect your opinion pops but disagree. I don't think it's linked just an attack orchestrated to inspire terror with its own agenda based on a perversion of belief.
The other chap in America however I do agree and he committed an attack based on terror agenda so he would in affect be a terrorist in my mind. |
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"To be honest. Take a step back. Have a look at the way an incident receives media coverage.
A white guy in America who does the same is a 'lone wolf' and 'mentally unstable'. However, a 'Muslim' guy who suddenly does this and the coverage is portrayed very differently.
It's convenient how all this occurs one after the other so as to divert attention away from one thing.
Just saying.
Except for when the attack by a white guy is a terrorist attack being perpetrated by a terrorist (Timothy McVeigh, Anders Breivik) when it's referred to as a terrorist attack, and they're referred to as a terrorist..."
Thank goodness for good looking bums that talk sense!.
I was beginning to think that guy had never heard of that all white religious terrorist outfit of the IRA |
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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"To be honest. Take a step back. Have a look at the way an incident receives media coverage.
A white guy in America who does the same is a 'lone wolf' and 'mentally unstable'. However, a 'Muslim' guy who suddenly does this and the coverage is portrayed very differently.
It's convenient how all this occurs one after the other so as to divert attention away from one thing.
Just saying.
Except for when the attack by a white guy is a terrorist attack being perpetrated by a terrorist (Timothy McVeigh, Anders Breivik) when it's referred to as a terrorist attack, and they're referred to as a terrorist...
Thank goodness for good looking bums that talk sense!.
I was beginning to think that guy had never heard of that all white religious terrorist outfit of the IRA "
well it could be argued that they were freedom fighters trying to push the invader (England) out of their own country, then turned to guerilla tactics because of being massively outnumbered by armed forces. |
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Like I always say. We do need to look at what drives someone to commit these acts. Sometimes we just add fuel to the fire without realising or sometimes even knowingly.
I'm in favour of bringing the death sentence back. As controversial as it may be for many (and quite off topic) but as a deterrant, I think it would work. Make people think twice.
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"To be honest. Take a step back. Have a look at the way an incident receives media coverage.
A white guy in America who does the same is a 'lone wolf' and 'mentally unstable'. However, a 'Muslim' guy who suddenly does this and the coverage is portrayed very differently.
It's convenient how all this occurs one after the other so as to divert attention away from one thing.
Just saying.
Except for when the attack by a white guy is a terrorist attack being perpetrated by a terrorist (Timothy McVeigh, Anders Breivik) when it's referred to as a terrorist attack, and they're referred to as a terrorist...
Thank goodness for good looking bums that talk sense!.
I was beginning to think that guy had never heard of that all white religious terrorist outfit of the IRA
well it could be argued that they were freedom fighters trying to push the invader (England) out of their own country, then turned to guerilla tactics because of being massively outnumbered by armed forces. "
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The ira were British people in Britain... Northern Ireland is British.
They were religious fundamentalists fighting in the name of Catholicism!
Why do people look for the conspiracies.... Have you ever had a conversation with a highly religious person... You can see the nuttydom clouding there eyes |
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"Like I always say. We do need to look at what drives someone to commit these acts. Sometimes we just add fuel to the fire without realising or sometimes even knowingly.
I'm in favour of bringing the death sentence back. As controversial as it may be for many (and quite off topic) but as a deterrant, I think it would work. Make people think twice.
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the death sentence deterring religious martyrdom crazies.... Let's just give them cheese that might work |
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"To be honest. Take a step back. Have a look at the way an incident receives media coverage.
A white guy in America who does the same is a 'lone wolf' and 'mentally unstable'. However, a 'Muslim' guy who suddenly does this and the coverage is portrayed very differently.
It's convenient how all this occurs one after the other so as to divert attention away from one thing.
Just saying.
Except for when the attack by a white guy is a terrorist attack being perpetrated by a terrorist (Timothy McVeigh, Anders Breivik) when it's referred to as a terrorist attack, and they're referred to as a terrorist...
Thank goodness for good looking bums that talk sense!.
I was beginning to think that guy had never heard of that all white religious terrorist outfit of the IRA
well it could be argued that they were freedom fighters trying to push the invader (England) out of their own country, then turned to guerilla tactics because of being massively outnumbered by armed forces. "
It could be. That would be bollocks as well though. |
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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The ira were British people in Britain... Northern Ireland is British.
They were religious fundamentalists fighting in the name of Catholicism!
Why do people look for the conspiracies.... Have you ever had a conversation with a highly religious person... You can see the nuttydom clouding there eyes "
erm, I don't think you'll find that Ireland is part of the UK, only the invaded part in the north. Hence my comment earlier.
I'm not saying I agree with the IRA's activities, had a few near misses from some of them myself, but I can see why they would. During the great wars locals in occupied areas did similar things to help fight against the invader, in Afghanistan the mujahadin successfully did the same to the might russian army. |
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"Like I always say. We do need to look at what drives someone to commit these acts. Sometimes we just add fuel to the fire without realising or sometimes even knowingly.
I'm in favour of bringing the death sentence back. As controversial as it may be for many (and quite off topic) but as a deterrant, I think it would work. Make people think twice.
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Deter people who are already planning to kill themselves or extremely likely to be killed in the attack?
Or like America, where many states have the death penalty but the Boston bomber still went ahead (and has been sentenced to death)?
There's an argument (which I disagree with) that the death penalty should be used as a punishment for the most heinous crimes but I don't think many would consider it much of a deterrent. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"To be honest. Take a step back. Have a look at the way an incident receives media coverage.
A white guy in America who does the same is a 'lone wolf' and 'mentally unstable'. However, a 'Muslim' guy who suddenly does this and the coverage is portrayed very differently.
It's convenient how all this occurs one after the other so as to divert attention away from one thing.
Just saying.
Except for when the attack by a white guy is a terrorist attack being perpetrated by a terrorist (Timothy McVeigh, Anders Breivik) when it's referred to as a terrorist attack, and they're referred to as a terrorist...
Thank goodness for good looking bums that talk sense!.
I was beginning to think that guy had never heard of that all white religious terrorist outfit of the IRA
well it could be argued that they were freedom fighters trying to push the invader (England) out of their own country, then turned to guerilla tactics because of being massively outnumbered by armed forces. "
Freedom fighters? Blowing up two small boys in Warrington?
Very courageous of them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The ira were British people in Britain... Northern Ireland is British.
They were religious fundamentalists fighting in the name of Catholicism!
Why do people look for the conspiracies.... Have you ever had a conversation with a highly religious person... You can see the nuttydom clouding there eyes
erm, I don't think you'll find that Ireland is part of the UK, only the invaded part in the north. Hence my comment earlier.
I'm not saying I agree with the IRA's activities, had a few near misses from some of them myself, but I can see why they would. During the great wars locals in occupied areas did similar things to help fight against the invader, in Afghanistan the mujahadin successfully did the same to the might russian army."
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Ireland was under British rule near enough from 1100.
The south was ceded in 1920 odd into the Irish free state.
The north remained British and mostly protestant.
Gerry Adams is British... He had a seat in Westminster as a British citizen, the problem was a selection of religious British citizens arguing over who's religion should dominate! |
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