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By *icked weasel OP Couple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

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By *icked weasel OP Couple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

Anyone Going ??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd rather put my face in a bucket of barbed wire, glass and salt.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i would defend anyones right to freedom of speech....but that means i also have the freedom to give my opinion that i find this completely shameful.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm more of a Judean Peoples Front kind of guy.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple over a year ago

Derbyshire

"I'm more of a Judean Peoples Front kind of guy."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I would defend anyones right to freedom of speech, but I do think 'Britain First' should shut the fuck up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm more of a Judean Peoples Front kind of guy."

Not the People Front of Judea?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I would defend anyones right to freedom of speech, but I do think 'Britain First' should shut the fuck up."

Yes!

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

OP, are you going? Or is this just to out those that are?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They are all a bunch of rednecks, nothing will come out of it, same every year lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"OP, are you going? Or is this just to out those that are?

I wondered for an instant if this should be in the Meet Requests section.

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By *icked weasel OP Couple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

"OP, are you going? Or is this just to out those that are?

No We Don't intend to go.. Seen lots of Stuff against the Islamification of the UK.. but not sure how true it all is !! tbh.. The Halal etc ??

We quite the Peaceful type to be fair..

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"OP, are you going? Or is this just to out those that are?

I wondered for an instant if this should be in the Meet Requests section.

Meet type: social meetup, gangbang, anything anywhere.

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By *icked weasel OP Couple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

"OP, are you going? Or is this just to out those that are?

I wondered for an instant if this should be in the Meet Requests section.

No we not trying to out people.. Never thought the Thread title and words thru properly.. for which we apologise ok.. sorry .. x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do whatever makes you feel good about yourself. As long as it's not at the expense of others.

Personally not my thing but if people are subjugated into feeling that they can't express their views, especially if you are not advocating harm to others

we're all fucked.

Some should remember that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There was 1 of their protests in dudley a few weeks back...... Bloody crap it was, hardly any support for them (not that they should have support anyway) and the biggest waste of the police's time and money I've ever seen.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"OP, are you going? Or is this just to out those that are?

No We Don't intend to go.. Seen lots of Stuff against the Islamification of the UK.. but not sure how true it all is !! tbh.. The Halal etc ??

We quite the Peaceful type to be fair..

Britain First have targeted Luton on a number of occasions, so much so that some of the "peaceful" organisers have been banned from entering the area by the police.

The whole country is not halal. If people want to object to halal meat take it to the companies making the decision to serve halal and not a town.

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By *o-jCouple over a year ago

Outskirts of Notts

I've been to Luton , they can keep it .

Jo x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Strange thread this.Almost like someone is fishing for filth on people.

I have noticed the politics on here is rather odd must be Fabian on Fab thing.

Can we just stick to shagging please?

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"There was 1 of their protests in dudley a few weeks back...... Bloody crap it was, hardly any support for them (not that they should have support anyway) and the biggest waste of the police's time and money I've ever seen. "

The Dudley one was two days after the election, if my memory is correct. Bad timing.

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By *icked weasel OP Couple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

"OP, are you going? Or is this just to out those that are?

No We Don't intend to go.. Seen lots of Stuff against the Islamification of the UK.. but not sure how true it all is !! tbh.. The Halal etc ??

We quite the Peaceful type to be fair..

Britain First have targeted Luton on a number of occasions, so much so that some of the "peaceful" organisers have been banned from entering the area by the police.

The whole country is not halal. If people want to object to halal meat take it to the companies making the decision to serve halal and not a town.

Maybe I should have started another Thread.. because I have seen Halal Slaughter and its pretty sick #

I would not want my Meat to be Halal at all !!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The Dudley one was two days after the election, if my memory is correct. Bad timing. "

I'm not sure which protest was Thiers now we've had so many round here recently that I've lost track!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"OP, are you going? Or is this just to out those that are?

No We Don't intend to go.. Seen lots of Stuff against the Islamification of the UK.. but not sure how true it all is !! tbh.. The Halal etc ??

We quite the Peaceful type to be fair..

Britain First have targeted Luton on a number of occasions, so much so that some of the "peaceful" organisers have been banned from entering the area by the police.

The whole country is not halal. If people want to object to halal meat take it to the companies making the decision to serve halal and not a town.

Maybe I should have started another Thread.. because I have seen Halal Slaughter and its pretty sick #

I would not want my Meat to be Halal at all !!! "

Tbh I don't think non halal slaughter is a bed of roses for the animals either.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Britain First are nothing but lying cowardly fear mongering criminals. I'd rather stuff a razor blade up my arse!

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

The Dudley one was two days after the election, if my memory is correct. Bad timing. "

Like the anti austerity protest a week or two after the election was bad timing, piss poor support for that too.

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By *icked weasel OP Couple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

"Tbh I don't think non halal slaughter is a bed of roses for the animals either....."

Shot in the Head or your Throat Slit !!!

That's the Reality !!

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Britain First are a nasty bunch of people, who jump on the back of anything that may bring them attention.

Odd question, asking if anyone is going.

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By *icked weasel OP Couple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

"Odd question, asking if anyone is going."

Why is it Odd ???

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By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"I'm more of a Judean Peoples Front kind of guy."

How about the Tooting Popular Front, Power To The People

I was a founder member of the Coxbench Urban Guerrillas in 1983 after too many pints of Marstons Pedigree

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tbh I don't think non halal slaughter is a bed of roses for the animals either.....

Shot in the Head or your Throat Slit !!!

That's the Reality !!"

Personally I think all slaughter house methods are pretty shocking & distressing for the animals involved

Can I ask you OP, do you eat at fast food chains? Because do you realise that certain ones only use halal meat?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Halal meat tastes the same....I personally don't give a f...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tbh I don't think non halal slaughter is a bed of roses for the animals either.....

Shot in the Head or your Throat Slit !!!

That's the Reality !!

Personally I think all slaughter house methods are pretty shocking & distressing for the animals involved

Can I ask you OP, do you eat at fast food chains? Because do you realise that certain ones only use halal meat?"

I meant to add ~ in some of their restaurants depending on the locations.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You may find that the "leadership" of Britain First don't believe in Britain first either. Just as the organizers of the EDL had absolutely no interest in England or any defense of it.

It's called a backfire opp.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"Odd question, asking if anyone is going.

Why is it Odd ??? "

To me it's like asking if anyone is off to a KKK rally. It's not going to end well.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"You may find that the "leadership" of Britain First don't believe in Britain first either. Just as the organizers of the EDL had absolutely no interest in England or any defense of it.

It's called a backfire opp."

Do you have some kind of 'insider' information on BF or EDL? I am just curious to know how people find these things out. Nobody ever tells me anything

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Tbh I don't think non halal slaughter is a bed of roses for the animals either.....

Shot in the Head or your Throat Slit !!!

That's the Reality !!

Personally I think all slaughter house methods are pretty shocking & distressing for the animals involved

Can I ask you OP, do you eat at fast food chains? Because do you realise that certain ones only use halal meat?"

Is that allowed by law these days?

As was shown in the gay cake saga in Northern Ireland, the courts ruled in favour of the customer, because the courts ruled religion has no place in the running of a business, as the cake shop owners refused to make the cake because of religious beliefs. Halal is tied to religious beliefs so should it have any place in the running of a business?

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By *artytwoCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

I did not know what the hell all this was about so I googled it.

People always say that race-hate and prejudice spring from ignorance.

Well, we'll all continue to be ignorant if no one is allowed to even obliquely refer to anything which some person somewhere may be offended about.

The prognosis for the millennia is that religious extremism will increase exponentially due to population growth being greatest among hard-line (and more inclined to poverty) religious communities.

Fubar and its not going to get any better.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Tbh I don't think non halal slaughter is a bed of roses for the animals either.....

Shot in the Head or your Throat Slit !!!

That's the Reality !!

Personally I think all slaughter house methods are pretty shocking & distressing for the animals involved

Can I ask you OP, do you eat at fast food chains? Because do you realise that certain ones only use halal meat?

Is that allowed by law these days?

The NI cake case was a breach of contract case where the breach was as a result of discrimination. Business choosing to serve halal meat isn't the same thing at all. You, the customer, have the choice to not buy there and to write and tell them why.

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By *icked weasel OP Couple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

"Can I ask you OP, do you eat at fast food chains? Because do you realise that certain ones only use halal meat?"

I Don't eat fast food chains Now - I Did before but the quality is shite!!

Having seen Both Types of Slaughter on Lots of Animals and Halal is pretty gross..

Would Much rather Stun the Animal before killing.. but hey ho !!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why would you stun the animal and then kill it? That's double trouble for the animal.

Surely you'd want to kill it first so it doesn't feel a thing at all?

Who knew a day would come where people are scared of meat and poultry.

Just daft.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Plus. You're from Devon OP. I swear all this happens up there. Isn't Devon where all the farmers are. They're shooting and eating anything that's walking.

Was that judgemental enough?

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By *icked weasel OP Couple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

"Plus. You're from Devon OP. I swear all this happens up there. Isn't Devon where all the farmers are. They're shooting and eating anything that's walking.

Was that judgemental enough?

That was Almost Racist.. !!!##

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Why would you stun the animal and then kill it? That's double trouble for the animal.

Surely you'd want to kill it first so it doesn't feel a thing at all?

Who knew a day would come where people are scared of meat and poultry.

Just daft.

Having spent my childhood on a farm, I do know a thing or two about slaughtering animals

In modern day abattoirs, the animal is stunned using electrodes placed on the sides of the skull. This in effect shuts the brain down immediately so the animal doesn't suffer the slaughter

With 'halal' slaughter, the animal is conscious when its throat is slit. It remains conscious until the heart pumps out sufficient blood from the wound to bring on unconciousness. This can take several minutes

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By *icked weasel OP Couple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

its pretty sick !!! halal is cruelty - you wouldn't put you pet down that way !!

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"its pretty sick !!! halal is cruelty - you wouldn't put you pet down that way !! "

So protest to government and the food producers. Don't march on a town because some Muslims live there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Once you cut the jugular vein in halal slaughter. An animal doesn't feel anything. It's dead.

I don't agree with stunning the animal. Okay, the animal goes brain dead but it's still alive though.

Why would you do that to the poor thing? You're just giving it a slow death and frying its brains out first. No thanks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Plus. You're from Devon OP. I swear all this happens up there. Isn't Devon where all the farmers are. They're shooting and eating anything that's walking.

Was that judgemental enough?

That was Almost Racist.. !!!##

That's the effect i was going for.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Once you cut the jugular vein in halal slaughter. An animal doesn't feel anything. It's dead.

I don't agree with stunning the animal. Okay, the animal goes brain dead but it's still alive though.

Why would you do that to the poor thing? You're just giving it a slow death and frying its brains out first. No thanks

No, it is not. The whole 'philosophy' behind 'halal' slaughter is that the heart pumps out as much blood out of the animal as is possible prior to death. The brain continues to function until that point although unconsciousness sets in a little before death

With stunning, brain death occurs instantly; there is no pain after that

'Halal' slaughter has no place in the modern world. It was used as a means to prevent the meat from spoiling pre-refrigeration times in hot countries. It is now practiced for religious reasons causing animals untold suffering

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By *icked weasel OP Couple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

"Once you cut the jugular vein in halal slaughter. An animal doesn't feel anything. It's dead.

I don't agree with stunning the animal. Okay, the animal goes brain dead but it's still alive though.

Why would you do that to the poor thing? You're just giving it a slow death and frying its brains out first. No thanks

With stunning, brain death occurs instantly; there is no pain after that

Thank you.. The Stunning helps - But The untold suffering of Halal is Barbaric !!!

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Once you cut the jugular vein in halal slaughter. An animal doesn't feel anything. It's dead.

I don't agree with stunning the animal. Okay, the animal goes brain dead but it's still alive though.

Why would you do that to the poor thing? You're just giving it a slow death and frying its brains out first. No thanks

With stunning, brain death occurs instantly; there is no pain after that

Thank you.. The Stunning helps - But The untold suffering of Halal is Barbaric !!!"

It is an extremely barbaric practice. It was used pre-refrigeration times so that the blood vacated the animal to lessen the chance of bacterial growth. There is now no need for this except in third-world countries where refrigeration still might not be available to the masses

Ignorance is very dangerous. It perpetuates dangerous nonsense to continue unchecked

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We lived and worked with an old farming family we know in Italy. When they slaughtered the family pig they cut its throat and hung it up by its back legs. It wasn't nice... but if you like your bacon its part of the whole process. These people loved this pig and, although the slaughter was old skool, they used up every little bit of it.

Driving up the 5 from LA to SF you pass a MASSSIVE beef farm with cows herded together stretching off over the hills. These are factories for the slaughter of animals. Whilst I'm sure their despatching methods are more "humane" than our Italian friends, they have no respect for the animals themselves... they're just walking meat. That, for me, is at least as big a problem as the way they're slaughtered.

Fundamentally, at the end of it all, you have to chose between being a loving kind old feeder who suddenly betrays the animal you love and kills them, living with the look of surprise in your animals eyes as you turn on them, just because you want a beef burger... or whether you'd rather set up clinical metallic environments where animals are processed by machines, sent into anonymous death chambers and simply wiped out coldly and clinically through an industry of death camps.

The first one is raw and bloody... but real. The second one is horrific. There's no easy way out of this. I eat meat, so this stuff doesn't sit too well with me. BUt I do believe that, if push came to shove, I would go all survivalist and kill what I ate. But I'd always respect what I killed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not really. If you look at the results from all these scientific experiments that have been done to see what is more humane. It shows that animals suffer no pain in halal slaughter when it's throat is cut as opposed to the electrocution method where it suffers pain whilst electrocuted. Evidenced by what they call EEG and ECG records.

A quick bit of research always helps. I'm openminded enough to take on both views and accept what you're saying. But, statistics don't lie.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

At the end of the day. You still have the animal one eay or another. It's one of those things where there is no pleasant way of doing it.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

I cannot speak for the entire farming community. The farm I grew up on still belongs in my family. It is a small farm with a couple of thousand animals. These animals are breed for mass consumption. We do not identify each and every one of these animals

We also rear 4 or 5 animals each year for the family. The children feed them and do get attached to them. However, these are meant for our food and a day comes that they too are slaughtered in the abattoir in the same quick manner as the others are

As a child, I grew up very close to this cycle of life and death. And it is because I loved these animals, that I preferred a quick death for them without suffering. Just as I would prefer my end when it comes

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Not really. If you look at the results from all these scientific experiments that have been done to see what is more humane. It shows that animals suffer no pain in halal slaughter when it's throat is cut as opposed to the electrocution method where it suffers pain whilst electrocuted. Evidenced by what they call EEG and ECG records.

A quick bit of research always helps. I'm openminded enough to take on both views and accept what you're saying. But, statistics don't lie.

Grab hold of a cable with 1000 volts running through it and tell me that you survived 2 whole minutes. For that is how long it takes for the heart to pump out sufficient blood prior to unconsciousness

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah, but that's totally different.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Yeah, but that's totally different.

I am lost. What is different?

Are you by any chance equating a pico-second of pain to two whole very, very, very long minutes of suffering?

I do not believe that you have ever watched either of these methods of slaughter otherwise you would not be making such statements

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They are all a bunch of rednecks, nothing will come out of it, same every year lol."

Keep us Rednecks outa this post boy; the south will rise again

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I worry that there's something wrong in a world where we ourselves don't kill our food. I worry that the industrialisation of slaughter is perhaps as wrong for animals as it was when the Nazi's did it for humans. Too many of us also ship our pets off to the vets to "get put down"... we can't even call it what it is. I think there's something important in being with a soul when it dies, in soothing it, and helping it let go lovingly. But I also see that an animal in pain should be put out of their misery humanely. As I said... it's not an easy issue. And I'd argue that it's definitely not an Islamic issue either. The way we, in the West, crate our animals around in trucks, crushing each other, off to remote abattoirs where they'l just get herded into their death, surrounded by frightened animals who all know what's coming because they can smell the death. I'd say we're not exactly squeeky clean here ourselves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A KKK rally? Ever met any KKK? Tell you what stand outside a major mosque after prayers Friday dressed in your finest ladies outfit.Then protest about the treatment of gay people in Islamic states.

Or ask yourself as swingers who fuck who they please provided it's consensual what would a Sharia court pass as a sentence for adultery homosexuality and promiscuity. The KKK aint British sweetheart!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah, but that's totally different.

I am lost. What is different?

Are you by any chance equating a pico-second of pain to two whole very, very, very long minutes of suffering?

I do not believe that you have ever watched either of these methods of slaughter otherwise you would not be making such statements"

What's different is your one example of electrocuting someone for two whole minutes, as opposed to another example you should have given of a throat being cut (which doesn't last two minutes)

The matter in question is pain.

Electrocute someone for two minutes. For that duration they'd be in pain. Whereas, slitting a throat, as gruesome as it may be. There may be an initial pain (which if done by a really sharp knife. There shouldn't be any) but that pain wouldn't last for two minutes.

Electrocuting an animal, you're just exacerbating the pain from beginning to end.

Think of it this way. A paper cut. Do you feel it? Do you realise you've been cut and bleeding? You don't until you realise 'ouch it stings'. That's just how it is i'd say. Now, put your finger in an electric socket. How long does the pain last? Do you realise later on in the day 'oh i was electrocuted earlier'? Erm, i'd say no.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Yeah, but that's totally different.

I am lost. What is different?

Are you by any chance equating a pico-second of pain to two whole very, very, very long minutes of suffering?

I do not believe that you have ever watched either of these methods of slaughter otherwise you would not be making such statements

What's different is your one example of electrocuting someone for two whole minutes, as opposed to another example you should have given of a throat being cut (which doesn't last two minutes)

The matter in question is pain.

Electrocuting an animal, you're just exacerbating the pain from beginning to end.

You really don't get it, do you?

The stunning (electrocution) does not last two minutes. It lasts a second or less. A domestic supply carries between 200 - 230v AC. At home, for slaughter, we use between 400 - 1000v. Sticking a finger in a domestic power supply will take a long time to kill. Attaching two electrodes to either side of the skull and delivering a jolt of 1000v will take an instant to cause brain death. The pain is 'felt' through receptors in the brain; When the brain dies, no pain is 'felt'

Slitting its throat whilst ensuring that the spinal cord is undamaged so that the heart continues to pump means that it feels pain until it falls unconcious. And that can take upto two minutes or more

I think you are just trying to be obtuse now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You see. I used the example you provided first of holding on to an electric cable for two minutes without being able to survive those two minutes.

Difference here is that I gave two examples to which we can relate i.e. a paper cut and being electrocuted.

I'm not trying to be obtuse here at all. I just don't agree with the animal going through pain twice. Why would you want to kill the brain first and then the animal? Yeah, the animal is now effectively brain dead. What you going to do to it next? You're going to have to make sure it's completely dead.

Why do the process twice when you can do it once? You're effectively trying to kill it twice. I find that more inhumane. It's like saying to the animal 'first, we need to prepare you for your final death by letting you have a taste of it first. We do this by frying your brain. Its okay, you wont feel anything afterwards. However, afterwards we just got to make sure you really are dead'.

Anyway, we went off on a tangent. To the OP, i don't know what your initial post was about. But, i'm not a fan of Britain First.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"You see. I used the example you provided first of holding on to an electric cable for two minutes without being able to survive those two minutes.

Difference here is that I gave two examples to which we can relate i.e. a paper cut and being electrocuted.

Anyway, we went off on a tangent. To the OP, i don't know what your initial post was about. But, i'm not a fan of Britain First.

The animal dies when its brain dies completely, unless one puts it on a life support system!!!

Stop defending a barbaric practice. You are now being silly and you know it; or maybe, you don't

Good to learn that you are not a fan of 'Britain First'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We got there in the end lol. But, was an interesting conversation.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"OP, are you going? Or is this just to out those that are?

No We Don't intend to go.. Seen lots of Stuff against the Islamification of the UK.. but not sure how true it all is !! tbh.. The Halal etc ??

We quite the Peaceful type to be fair..

Britain First have targeted Luton on a number of occasions, so much so that some of the "peaceful" organisers have been banned from entering the area by the police.

The whole country is not halal. If people want to object to halal meat take it to the companies making the decision to serve halal and not a town.

Maybe I should have started another Thread.. because I have seen Halal Slaughter and its pretty sick #

I would not want my Meat to be Halal at all !!! "

The easiest way to avoid Halal meat.

Eat pork chops and bacon.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bunch of racist halfwitts if you ask me.

Without immigrants and migrant workers this country would still be rebuilding after the second world war (probably)!...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"OP, are you going? Or is this just to out those that are?

No We Don't intend to go.. Seen lots of Stuff against the Islamification of the UK.. but not sure how true it all is !! tbh.. The Halal etc ??

We quite the Peaceful type to be fair..

Britain First have targeted Luton on a number of occasions, so much so that some of the "peaceful" organisers have been banned from entering the area by the police.

The whole country is not halal. If people want to object to halal meat take it to the companies making the decision to serve halal and not a town.

Maybe I should have started another Thread.. because I have seen Halal Slaughter and its pretty sick #

I would not want my Meat to be Halal at all !!!

The easiest way to avoid Halal meat.

Eat pork chops and bacon.

Easiest way is to be a veggie

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tbh I don't think non halal slaughter is a bed of roses for the animals either.....

Shot in the Head or your Throat Slit !!!

That's the Reality !!

Personally I think all slaughter house methods are pretty shocking & distressing for the animals involved

Can I ask you OP, do you eat at fast food chains? Because do you realise that certain ones only use halal meat?

Is that allowed by law these days?

As I added to my comment in certain locations the meat will be halal to meet the majority needs.

Google fast food restaurants and halal meat ~ makes interesting reading.

There was a story years ago that a very popular chicken based restaurant was using all halal products until it was 'outed'.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Britain First?

Not in my name.

One set of grand parents were at Cable Street. One set of grand parents were lost in the camps. Many years ago, I joined the IDF as a reservist.

There is only one practical way of dealing with Fascists.

I understand the Halal arguments on both sides and it was one of the reasons why I am veggie and heading towards veganism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Britain First?

Not in my name.

One set of grand parents were at Cable Street. One set of grand parents were lost in the camps. Many years ago, I joined the IDF as a reservist.

There is only one practical way of dealing with Fascists.

I understand the Halal arguments on both sides and it was one of the reasons why I am veggie and heading towards veganism."

Similar to my family.

One side is from a former part of Poland once known as Wolyn, they were persicuted massively by the Ukrainians, Russians and the Germans during the late 30's onwards (Just Google what happened). My grandfather went on to fight for the British army and after the war helped rebuild the roads whiilst my grandmother, aunts and uncles worked on farms and in factories to help the country rebuild. They lived England and were grateful to call it home.

The other side of my family are from Galway and I don't have to remind anyone of the oppression the Irish have been through, yet that side of my family love the British and Britain.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Google fast food restaurants and halal meat ~ makes interesting reading.

There was a story years ago that a very popular chicken based restaurant was using all halal products until it was 'outed'....."

KFC's meat has been Halal for years... its an old bit....

anyway i see that Halal always gets the bad profile..... you ought to see what the difference between Halal and Kosher is.....

(p.s the answer is "not much")

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Google fast food restaurants and halal meat ~ makes interesting reading.

There was a story years ago that a very popular chicken based restaurant was using all halal products until it was 'outed'.....

KFC's meat has been Halal for years... its an old bit....

anyway i see that Halal always gets the bad profile..... you ought to see what the difference between Halal and Kosher is.....

(p.s the answer is "not much")"

Agreed. Kosher and Halal are pretty much the same. I thought KFC chickens were either gassed or electrocuted?

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

Google fast food restaurants and halal meat ~ makes interesting reading.

There was a story years ago that a very popular chicken based restaurant was using all halal products until it was 'outed'.....

KFC's meat has been Halal for years... its an old bit....

anyway i see that Halal always gets the bad profile..... you ought to see what the difference between Halal and Kosher is.....

(p.s the answer is "not much")"

There isn't any apart from their respective incantations. Both are equally barbaric

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is this the M.P.L.A or

Is this the U.D.A or

Is this the I.R.A

I thought it was the UK

Or just another country!

Your all fuck wits

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Without immigrants and migrant workers this country would still be rebuilding after the second world war (probably)!...

Absolutely right. Britain lost around a quarter of a million men in WW2 and needed migrant labour to rebuild. Immigration was controlled and most came from former British colonies and the vast majority integrated well.

Today however is completely different. A sizeable chunk (if not a majority) of the current crop, both legal and illegal, are not interested in integration or helping to rebuild anything. They are just coming for what they can take, either in benefits or criminality. Take a look at the latest pictures from Calais. I don't see many hard working upstanding citizens among that lot, just a bunch of thugs.

While the EU freedom of movement rules have brought some benefits in certain sectors, hospitality and the building trade to name just a couple, it hasn't been without cost. Many are working for minimum wage (or less) and are topped up through in work benefits. How is that right when we have around a million British kids on the dole?

Then there are the eastern European criminals and beggars that are making life a misery in certain parts of the country. Over 90% of all ATM and card fraud in London was committed by Romanian (mostly Roma) gangs a year or two ago, and those are figures from the Met. Funnily enough Britain hasn't seen the worst of that yet. Take a trip to Paris or Berlin where they have been established a bit longer and what is going on is truly shocking.

Add into that mix the sheer numbers, over 300,000 last year alone and they are just the ones who were recorded, god knows how many illegals slipped under the radar as well.

No country can sustain that amount of immigration forever, let alone one with a benefit and welfare system like the British one.

I have very little sympathy for the likes of Britain first, EDL. BNP Etc. But unless the mainstream politicians find some backbone and start to really tackle this problem more and more will be sucked into groups like these, and the end result could be catastrophic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I would defend anyones right to freedom of speech, but I do think 'Britain First' should shut the fuck up."

????????

Couldn't they wait until the economy recovers a bit........

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I would defend anyones right to freedom of speech, but I do think 'Britain First' should shut the fuck up.

????????

Couldn't they wait until the economy recovers a bit........"
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No apparently nobody should say anything remotely offensive or offer a different opinion than the righteous ones!.

Halal kosher Christian burger anyone

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By *huramMan over a year ago

London

anyway i see that Halal always gets the bad profile..... you ought to see what the difference between Halal and Kosher is.....

(p.s the answer is "not much")"

I often wonder why is it that people whine about Halal but stay silent about Kosher?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i would defend anyones right to freedom of speech....but that means i also have the freedom to give my opinion that i find this completely shameful."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Freedom of speech? What's that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

anyway i see that Halal always gets the bad profile..... you ought to see what the difference between Halal and Kosher is.....

(p.s the answer is "not much")

I often wonder why is it that people whine about Halal but stay silent about Kosher?"

I think its down to the Jewish population being pretty small in relation to the muslim population.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Britain First are nothing but lying cowardly fear mongering criminals. I'd rather stuff a razor blade up my arse! "

Isn't that worse than Halal?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

anyway i see that Halal always gets the bad profile..... you ought to see what the difference between Halal and Kosher is.....

(p.s the answer is "not much")

I often wonder why is it that people whine about Halal but stay silent about Kosher?

I think its down to the Jewish population being pretty small in relation to the muslim population."

And the fact that the Jews have been given enough abuse already without starting on their food too.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Britain First are nothing but lying cowardly fear mongering criminals. I'd rather stuff a razor blade up my arse!

Isn't that worse than Halal?

marginally

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple over a year ago

Derbyshire

Halal kosher Christian burger anyone"

What kind of bun? Is it a white one?

And does it have lettuce? Those pesky greens get everywhere.

OP: I might go if they had one nearer to us. I'd be quite happy to stand with those opposing such a march.

I still regret missing that Iraq war one.

Mr ddc

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Freedom of speech? What's that?

Oh come on, you must remember, the SNP haven't been in charge for THAT long

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Freedom of speech? What's that?

Oh come on, you must remember, the SNP haven't been in charge for THAT long

Mr ddc"

Question still stands, what is freedom of speech? Maybe you can explain it to me??

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Freedom of speech? What's that?

Oh come on, you must remember, the SNP haven't been in charge for THAT long

Mr ddc

Question still stands, what is freedom of speech? Maybe you can explain it to me??

To me it means being free to express your opinion, but in a civilised society it comes with the responsibility not to abuse it in order to cause deliberate offence. In a similar way I object to the union flag being used almost as a weapon against catholics in Northern Ireland.

I did find a good quote once before, but I have to get this lasagne finished before I get back to work, and couldn't find it quickly enough.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ah ok, so we have Freedom of speach....but there's certain things your not allowed to say as it may offend or upset people?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Freedom of speech? What's that?

Oh come on, you must remember, the SNP haven't been in charge for THAT long

Mr ddc

Question still stands, what is freedom of speech? Maybe you can explain it to me??

I did find a good quote once before, but I have to get this lasagne finished before I get back to work, and couldn't find it quickly enough."

I think freedom of speech should apply across the board...even when deliberately causing offence. Take this march we're all arguing about... at least its got us lot talking about issues we may never have done. Where I would draw the line is in "inciting violence with a view to cause grievious bodily harm". This does not include property damage imo.. just inciting people to be violent and hurt others

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

anyway i see that Halal always gets the bad profile..... you ought to see what the difference between Halal and Kosher is.....

(p.s the answer is "not much")

I often wonder why is it that people whine about Halal but stay silent about Kosher?

I think its down to the Jewish population being pretty small in relation to the muslim population.

And the fact that the Jews have been given enough abuse already without starting on their food too."
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I reserve my right to ridicule the ridiculous... Offending people isn't bad, well it's unpleasant but it's not like I'm chopping their heads off, slashing at foreskins of babies, forcing 11 year old girls to marry 40 year old men, subjecting an entire country into misery with blockades, blowing myself up on buses or trains and planes, cutting the throats of animals, brainwashing children with nonsense and treating gay people and women like second class citizens while promoting slavery.... That's fucking offensive... And quite frankly they deserve to be ridiculed just as much as some numb nuts on a racist rally

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Halal kosher Christian burger anyone

What kind of bun? Is it a white one?

And does it have lettuce? Those pesky greens get everywhere.

OP: I might go if they had one nearer to us. I'd be quite happy to stand with those opposing such a march.

I still regret missing that Iraq war one.

Mr ddc"
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I prefer white buns to brown ones but that's personal preference... Evidence says brown buns are better for you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

FYI being opposed to Islam is not racist. If it is racist than being opposed to Christianity must also be racist.

Also the followers of Islam are one of the fastest growing demographics in the country. The higher in number they grow the more demands they will make in regards to law, culture and society etc.

Regarding Britain First I do not really know enough about them to comment.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Ah ok, so we have Freedom of speach....but there's certain things your not allowed to say as it may offend or upset people?

Not so much 'not allowed' more why would you want to?

Eg I made a wisecrack to you about the SNP, but if you had been offended I would have been mortified, apologised and remembered to be more careful in future.

I could burn a Qur'an, I could piss on a Bible, I could defecate on the Torah, but why on earth would I want to?

If this march is a group of Lutowners marching to express concerns about pressures on local services, fine, but if it is a group of right-wing racists targeting Luton due to the proportion of Ethnic Minorities there then I feel it is different, and not part of the Britain I know and love.

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By *rladytoyMan over a year ago

bournemouth

"Tbh I don't think non halal slaughter is a bed of roses for the animals either.....

Shot in the Head or your Throat Slit !!!

That's the Reality !!"

That's actually one hell of a choice to be afforded!

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By *rladytoyMan over a year ago

bournemouth

Don't know much about Britain first, but Muslim extremists ( if your not against it then you are one) need stopping at all costs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Don't know much about Britain first, but Muslim extremists ( if your not against it then you are one) need stopping at all costs"

I'm against extremists of any kind. ANY and ALL extremists need stopping, regardless of their religion or the colour of their skin.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Almost all halal meat produced in the uk is stunned before slaughter, the only difference is that a prayer is said while doing it.

KFC for example use stunned halal meat.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ah ok, so we have Freedom of speach....but there's certain things your not allowed to say as it may offend or upset people?

With freedom of speech comes the responsibility to accept the consequences of the freedom of speech.

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By *ythenshawefredMan over a year ago

stockport

"Why would you stun the animal and then kill it? That's double trouble for the animal.

Surely you'd want to kill it first so it doesn't feel a thing at all?

Who knew a day would come where people are scared of meat and poultry.

Just daft.

Kill it 1st? What you're suggesting killing it then stunning it? This really is the act of the judean people's front lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ah ok, so we have Freedom of speach....but there's certain things your not allowed to say as it may offend or upset people?

With freedom of speech comes the responsibility to accept the consequences of the freedom of speech."

Well that's my point if there are consequences to expressing your freedom of speech. Then surely you don't have freedom of speech at all.

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By *rladytoyMan over a year ago

bournemouth

Just been watching footage of this in luton. An innocent women abused and attacked because they 'rule the country now'and sharia law is in place!

Filthy animals

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By *huramMan over a year ago

London

Never wise to judge the many by the actions of a warped few.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd rather put my face in a bucket of barbed wire, glass and salt."

Extreme but if that's your kink...

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By *icked weasel OP Couple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

"Just been watching footage of this in luton. An innocent women abused and attacked because they 'rule the country now'and sharia law is in place!

Filthy animals"

Yeah - Seen that Video Earlier and I Must Admit that I am Quite Glad I Don't Stay there.. !!!

Shocking and Quite a Sad Video for the State That the UK is in..

How Long Before Sharia Law is Common Law ??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just been watching footage of this in luton. An innocent women abused and attacked because they 'rule the country now'and sharia law is in place!

Filthy animals

Yeah - Seen that Video Earlier and I Must Admit that I am Quite Glad I Don't Stay there.. !!!

Shocking and Quite a Sad Video for the State That the UK is in..

How Long Before Sharia Law is Common Law ??

Never. Better chance of catholics banning meat on Fridays seeing we're the fastest growing religion in the country.

Fish Suppers for all on Fridays

* with the appropriate salt n sauce you dirty salt n vinegar Glagwegian bastards

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"...

I could burn a Qur'an, I could piss on a Bible, I could defecate on the Torah, but why on earth would I want to?

..."

Burning the Quran, Bible or Torah would provide heat during the winter months, therefore a sensible thing to do

But p***ing on these is simply perverse and only a swinger into watersports would do that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd rather put my face in a bucket of barbed wire, glass and salt."

I'd join you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"OP, are you going? Or is this just to out those that are?

No We Don't intend to go.. Seen lots of Stuff against the Islamification of the UK.. but not sure how true it all is !! tbh.. The Halal etc ??

We quite the Peaceful type to be fair..

Britain First have targeted Luton on a number of occasions, so much so that some of the "peaceful" organisers have been banned from entering the area by the police.

The whole country is not halal. If people want to object to halal meat take it to the companies making the decision to serve halal and not a town.

Maybe I should have started another Thread.. because I have seen Halal Slaughter and its pretty sick #

I would not want my Meat to be Halal at all !!!

Tbh I don't think non halal slaughter is a bed of roses for the animals either....."

Very well said death is death it's never going to be pretty , and tbh if you check scriptures the kosher and Christian ways are no different , the only difference with hallal is it's religious law that the animal HAS to have a sad certain quality of life .

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

Britain's Worst more like.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A KKK rally? Ever met any KKK? Tell you what stand outside a major mosque after prayers Friday dressed in your finest ladies outfit.Then protest about the treatment of gay people in Islamic states.

Or ask yourself as swingers who fuck who they please provided it's consensual what would a Sharia court pass as a sentence for adultery homosexuality and promiscuity. The KKK aint British sweetheart!"

Are there any peoples more racist and intolerant than Muslims?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A KKK rally? Ever met any KKK? Tell you what stand outside a major mosque after prayers Friday dressed in your finest ladies outfit.Then protest about the treatment of gay people in Islamic states.

Or ask yourself as swingers who fuck who they please provided it's consensual what would a Sharia court pass as a sentence for adultery homosexuality and promiscuity. The KKK aint British sweetheart!

Are there any peoples more racist and intolerant than Muslims?"

Why not ask the Muslims being burnt alive in Burma or the ones persecuted in Gaza the whole of last summer , or the thousands that are also being slaughtered by western founded Isis .

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By *horltzMan over a year ago

heysham

"We lived and worked with an old farming family we know in Italy. When they slaughtered the family pig they cut its throat and hung it up by its back legs. It wasn't nice... but if you like your bacon its part of the whole process. These people loved this pig and, although the slaughter was old skool, they used up every little bit of it.

Easier said than done

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A KKK rally? Ever met any KKK? Tell you what stand outside a major mosque after prayers Friday dressed in your finest ladies outfit.Then protest about the treatment of gay people in Islamic states.

Or ask yourself as swingers who fuck who they please provided it's consensual what would a Sharia court pass as a sentence for adultery homosexuality and promiscuity. The KKK aint British sweetheart!

Are there any peoples more racist and intolerant than Muslims?

Why not ask the Muslims being burnt alive in Burma or the ones persecuted in Gaza the whole of last summer , or the thousands that are also being slaughtered by western founded Isis . "

Or the guy who's just been beheaded in France. Oh, sorry u can't

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ah ok, so we have Freedom of speach....but there's certain things your not allowed to say as it may offend or upset people?

With freedom of speech comes the responsibility to accept the consequences of the freedom of speech.

Well that's my point if there are consequences to expressing your freedom of speech. Then surely you don't have freedom of speech at all.

"
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Interestingly the bilderberg meetings are held in absolute privacy because they say that gives them the ability to talk freely and without any thought processes being off limits?.

And that's the very elite saying you can't be judged by your thoughts in a open discussion

If Muslims get offended at my ridiculing that's their fucking problem.... If Christians get offended at my ridiculing, that's their fucking problem.

Extremist views don't get any more extreme than believing in bollocks written in some bullshit book telling you to chop the foreskin of your baby boy or that any woman should be subservient to a man or that pork is filthy or beef if your from a different country...

Let's tackle the extremist views passed from church to child in the billions before getting all het up about a few weirdos on the internet

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A KKK rally? Ever met any KKK? Tell you what stand outside a major mosque after prayers Friday dressed in your finest ladies outfit.Then protest about the treatment of gay people in Islamic states.

Or ask yourself as swingers who fuck who they please provided it's consensual what would a Sharia court pass as a sentence for adultery homosexuality and promiscuity. The KKK aint British sweetheart!

Are there any peoples more racist and intolerant than Muslims?

Why not ask the Muslims being burnt alive in Burma or the ones persecuted in Gaza the whole of last summer , or the thousands that are also being slaughtered by western founded Isis .

Or the guy who's just been beheaded in France. Oh, sorry u can't"

Amazing how ONE guy is far more important then thousands

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By *aneandpaulCouple over a year ago

cleveleys

We saw them on TV last night getting out of lorries and running away giving police and immigration officers 2 fingers shoot them on site only way to stop them coming here they have not come to be honest citizens and work

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"A KKK rally? Ever met any KKK? Tell you what stand outside a major mosque after prayers Friday dressed in your finest ladies outfit.Then protest about the treatment of gay people in Islamic states.

Or ask yourself as swingers who fuck who they please provided it's consensual what would a Sharia court pass as a sentence for adultery homosexuality and promiscuity. The KKK aint British sweetheart!

Are there any peoples more racist and intolerant than Muslims?

Why not ask the Muslims being burnt alive in Burma or the ones persecuted in Gaza the whole of last summer , or the thousands that are also being slaughtered by western founded Isis .

Or the guy who's just been beheaded in France. Oh, sorry u can't"

Or the pilot burnt alive in a cage and the video distributed. These Mohammadians are so peace-loving

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"A KKK rally? Ever met any KKK? Tell you what stand outside a major mosque after prayers Friday dressed in your finest ladies outfit.Then protest about the treatment of gay people in Islamic states.

Or ask yourself as swingers who fuck who they please provided it's consensual what would a Sharia court pass as a sentence for adultery homosexuality and promiscuity. The KKK aint British sweetheart!

Are there any peoples more racist and intolerant than Muslims?

Why not ask the Muslims being burnt alive in Burma or the ones persecuted in Gaza the whole of last summer , or the thousands that are also being slaughtered by western founded Isis .

Or the guy who's just been beheaded in France. Oh, sorry u can't

Or the pilot burnt alive in a cage and the video distributed. These Mohammadians are so peace-loving"

You wouldn't be trying to infer a conclusion about an entire group of people from the actions of tiny number of fanatics, would you?

No, of course you wouldn't, that would be moronic! So what point were you trying to make?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd rather put my face in a bucket of barbed wire, glass and salt."

Be careful with that added salt. It's bad for your blood pressure.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd rather put my face in a bucket of barbed wire, glass and salt.

Be careful with that added salt. It's bad for your blood pressure."

As, it would appear, is most of this thread...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A KKK rally? Ever met any KKK? Tell you what stand outside a major mosque after prayers Friday dressed in your finest ladies outfit.Then protest about the treatment of gay people in Islamic states.

Or ask yourself as swingers who fuck who they please provided it's consensual what would a Sharia court pass as a sentence for adultery homosexuality and promiscuity. The KKK aint British sweetheart!

Are there any peoples more racist and intolerant than Muslims?

Why not ask the Muslims being burnt alive in Burma or the ones persecuted in Gaza the whole of last summer , or the thousands that are also being slaughtered by western founded Isis .

Or the guy who's just been beheaded in France. Oh, sorry u can't

Or the pilot burnt alive in a cage and the video distributed. These Mohammadians are so peace-loving

You wouldn't be trying to infer a conclusion about an entire group of people from the actions of tiny number of fanatics, would you?

No, of course you wouldn't, that would be moronic! So what point were you trying to make?"

Tiny number of fanatics? What would happen to a Christian for example who stood in a park in somewhere like Saudi Arabia and denounced Islam?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm amazed half of the planet still believe in some sort of god.

This is 2015 not 115. Have we not figured out how we got here yet?

Peoples religious views have caused more harm than good.

Sheep, in denial, like the idiots who won't get their children treated for serious medical conditions, but pray for them instead and leave it up to god.

Fu**ing twats don't deserve to have kids.