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Immigration - should the UK be doing more in Calais and in general?

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

The recent strike by French ferry workers in Calais, caused chaos! I imagine it must have been awful being a lorry driver waiting in the traffic jams. Equally scarey for some of the general public waiting to cross. Or did we only see a small part of the whole story reported?

Allegedly, the deputy mayor of Calais has blamed the UK for the migrant surge, and said the British government should be doing more to address the problem.

it is reported that Emmanuel Agius said he would close the port if Britain did not accept more responsibility, adding that the British were "showing that they despise the people of Calais".

I imagine, a lot of this, is sensationalism by the media. It's reported there are 3000 migrants camped waiting to cross. That doesn't sound like massive numbers to me, in the grand scheme of things. Are we doing enough as a country, to help the French at their end? What more can we do, if anything?

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By *obbytupperMan over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

Why isn't the EU doing more?

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

We certainly need to try more to understand why people are travelling across Europe and trying so hard to get into the UK. Italy and France and not third world shit holes, so what are the overwhelming pull factors that make these people so determined to get into the UK?

Dealing with refugees and economic migrants has always needed international cooperation to succeed and I don't think that this case is any different.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

While I would agree that 3000 isn't a lot in the great scheme of things, Britain cannot allow them in.

If they are allowed in then the next 3000 will just replace them, and the next, and the next, and so on. There are thousands upon thousands in Italy and Greece whose preferred final destination is the UK. There are tens of thousands in Turkey and an estimated half a million in Libya.

So let's say there is an amnesty and the nigh on a million are allowed into Europe, then what? Another million or so will just replace them and so on forever.

Britain and Europe cannot accomodate half of Africa and the middle east. Full stop.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What about all the countries that these people have passed through before they even reach France ?

Shouldn't they be doing something too ?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

UK do more to stop this nonsense at Calais

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By *olwaySonarMan over a year ago

Carlisle

Watching the news last night I had no idea that these immigrants are so violent and abusive to the lorry drivers. Hurling stones at the windscreens charging at the drivers in gangs of twenty or more. If they do manage to gain entry to the trailers they often ransack the cargo or urinate all over it.

Shocking!

I think we should send some of our armed forces to give the HGV drivers safe passage.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

More needs to be done to the people who get rich of the back of human misery. From the people traffickers in North Africa who allow people to die packed in the holes of rickety boats to the ambulance chasing human rights lawyers who clog the courts up with appeal after appeal.

They need to stop making the UK so attractive in order to stop people making such a risky journey.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"What about all the countries that these people have passed through before they even reach France ?

Shouldn't they be doing something too ?

I agree, but it seems that many countries in Europe are over-burdened. Hungary has suspended the EU rule that says it must take back asylum seekers who first enter Hungary but travel on to other countries.

In Jan to March this year, they have had the second largest number of asylum seekers in Europe after Germany. So I guess they cannot cope, but it just pushes the problem onto the next country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

our armed forces should be protecting our borders and uk citizens.

if france spain italy etc cannot control there's that is there own problem we should not be left to pick up the pieces.

it is not just the lorry & coach drivers that are being targeted now, there are incidents of them breaking into mobile home's, caravans, and any enclosed trailer.

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By *igzag1Man over a year ago

hartlepool

What goes on in France has got nothing to do with us what should we get involved in other people's trouble

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know......... Let's cut 12Bn off the welfare budget and make it less attractive to come here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What goes on in France has got nothing to do with us what should we get involved in other people's trouble"

Simply Because it is affecting us & becoming a problem

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By *irthyMan over a year ago

outside banbury

Sadly the Uk is seen as the land of milk and honey in relation to many other EU countries. We have a more liberal beneits system - you try getting anything in France for example, the hoops to go through are lengthy to say the least. These people are just shunted through and the UK is the end of the line as many see it. They are illegal imigrants to the EU too so by just passing them from pillar to post achieves nothing. France is extremely good at blaming others (ie UK) they should control them more. Illegals in the UK are held in holding camps like Campsfield and generally pretty well looked after before being deported/repatriated at our cost mind !! The French option on this is to let them sit there build their own rough camps, provide no real food or asistance and every now and then bulldoze the camps. The French are a far less tolerant society when it comes to Police involvement with protesters and gypsys - so why they are not acting firmly and correctly on this matter is quite mystifying. But then Calais has always been a bone of contention - and the locals arent the most UK friendly unlink the Normans and Bretagnes........

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The issue is a global problem, not just one country's. How will we sort it if we cant co-operate?

It'll just get worse, ignoring it won't make it go away. I feel there's no hope for the human race sometimes. We are self destructive. That attitude has to change.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The issue is a global problem, not just one country's. How will we sort it if we cant co-operate?

It'll just get worse, ignoring it won't make it go away. I feel there's no hope for the human race sometimes. We are self destructive. That attitude has to change. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is no easy solution to this crisis. It has been going on for years and will continue to do so, all the time the uk is an attractive proposition.

We need to look at why the uk is so attractive. The NHS, benefit system and housing systems all make us an attractive destination.

I'm not sure what we can do about it. ID cards have been mentioned, but they can be fraudulently obtained if we go down that route. Do we need to be stop being such a soft touch? After all, all of the services and more besides are stretched to breaking point. Would it stop if we left the EU? This would be my preferred option, but I'm not convinced it would stop them attempting.

It needs to be stopped at source, which is easier said than done. I don't think it should be forgotten either, that these are people who have paid to leave their own country. They just didn't use Easyjet! Questions should also be asked about how they managed to freely cross Europe to arrive in the channel ports in the first place. Even if the French mayor is correct and we need to do more, surely he should ask his own authorities, how and why, before criticising ours!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is no easy solution to this crisis. It has been going on for years and will continue to do so, all the time the uk is an attractive proposition.

We need to look at why the uk is so attractive. The NHS, benefit system and housing systems all make us an attractive destination.

On a slightly more controversial note....I'm not sure why the EU imports them. When the various navies pick them up from the sea, why can't they give them first aid and drop them back to Africa?

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

There is little the UK can do in France. It's a sovereign country. So unless the French ask us to start implementing our laws and allow UK police jurisdiction then we can only manage our side.

When they get here then were do you. Send them?

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By *appyguy17Man over a year ago

walthamstow

It's a french problem not an English one....

It seems like the French are absolving themselves of their responsabilities ...

They would be more than happy to send all their problem people to England..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"On a slightly more controversial note....I'm not sure why the EU imports them. When the various navies pick them up from the sea, why can't they give them first aid and drop them back to Africa? "

Because thankfully there are a good number of kind and compassionate humans in Europe who believe we should welcome asylum seekers and not just turn them back.

These people... their lives are terrible. They pay thousands and thousands to criminal gangs, they travel for months at a time in squalid conditions that are full of disease. They are lucky if they get to places where they can even attempt boat crossings. Then they load themselves onto unsafe boats knowing that there is a good chance they will die.

These people aren't coming here for a good life. They're trying to come here so that they have *some* life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"On a slightly more controversial note....I'm not sure why the EU imports them. When the various navies pick them up from the sea, why can't they give them first aid and drop them back to Africa?

Because thankfully there are a good number of kind and compassionate humans in Europe who believe we should welcome asylum seekers and not just turn them back.

These people aren't coming here for a good life. They're trying to come here so that they have *some* life."

Again, being controversial, as in my previous post, if they can afford 'thousands and thousands to criminal gangs' then perhaps they should use the money to improve their own lives and others around them in their own country!

As I said just stirring the pot!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What about all the countries that these people have passed through before they even reach France ?

Shouldn't they be doing something too ?

The United Nations charter on refugees States that they should be "given asylum in the first 'safe' country they come to". That is certainly not the UK!

The problem is that borders in Europe have been dismantled....the EU Eurocrats think of Europe as one big country ruled from Brussels.

The other problems are that we are the most generous country benefits wise and have the most jobs available for any kind of migrants.

Most of these migrants are not genuine asylum seekers anyway...they are simply economic migrants...chancers!

Genuine asylum seekers deserve better treatment...but they are few and far between in the millions coming over.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Again, being controversial, as in my previous post, if they can afford 'thousands and thousands to criminal gangs' then perhaps they should use the money to improve their own lives and others around them in their own country!

As I said just stirring the pot!"

So tell me... how much difference do you think a few thousand quid would make when it's government troops that are setting fire to your homes and raping you and your family?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We certainly need to try more to understand why people are travelling across Europe and trying so hard to get into the UK. Italy and France and not third world shit holes, so what are the overwhelming pull factors that make these people so determined to get into the UK?

Dealing with refugees and economic migrants has always needed international cooperation to succeed and I don't think that this case is any different."

I can answer this one as I used to work in the jobcentre. It's a simple case of benefits or rather the processing time of the benefits. In France it can take up to a year or more to process their application which personally as this is the same country that banned burkas I think it's more a case of not wanting them there rather than them being sloppy at admin. In the UK when aomeone applies for asylum a decision can be made on whether they have indefinite or exceptional leave to remain in about 8 weeks. During that time they can get asylum allowance which is about 40 quid a week. They can't get housing benefit or any of the mainstream benefits that we have here.

Think people get confused with genuine asylum seekers and people who are in the eu and can come here and claim benefits.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Most of these migrants are not genuine asylum seekers anyway...they are simply economic migrants...chancers!"

Why is it that economic migrants from other countries are called 'chancers' or 'immigrants' yet economic migrants who are British are called 'expatriates'?

It's alright when we're doing it... just not ok when others are trying to do it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Most of these migrants are not genuine asylum seekers anyway...they are simply economic migrants...chancers!

Why is it that economic migrants from other countries are called 'chancers' or 'immigrants' yet economic migrants who are British are called 'expatriates'?

It's alright when we're doing it... just not ok when others are trying to do it."

Because ex-pats don't go over to scrounge benefits or take low paid jobs etc. Other countries have quotas/points systems etc so you can only go if you are going for a job that the receiving country are lacking skills for. Or if retiring you have sufficient income to support yourself.

There is a lot of talk of the UK having a similar system....but not possible while we remain in the current unreformed EU.

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By *lyingscotsman696Man over a year ago

Renfrewshire

I am sorry but I disagree with you . These people are coming to the uk for a good life otherwise why don't they stop in any other European countries they pass through to get here if they only want some sort of life. As a European lorry driver the nick name we give to these criminals is The Taliban. This might sound a bit harsh but please do not judge unless you have had to deal with these people. It is not just a problem in calais. you take your life in your hands when you stop above reims. I have been gassed and only reason I was not robbed was a rope tying the 2 doors together. Every port in France with a boat heading to the uk has problems. A lot of these people come from countries where violence is the norm. do you honestly think they change as soon as the hit our green & fertile soil.

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By *radleyandRavenCouple over a year ago

Herts

"Questions should also be asked about how they managed to freely cross Europe to arrive in the channel ports in the first place. Even if the French mayor is correct and we need to do more, surely he should ask his own authorities, how and why, before criticising ours!"

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

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As I said just stirring the pot!"

I suspect much of it is done on credit with a relative or child being held hostage in expectation of the debt being repaid via remittance money.

It does, of course, pose the question - if those who organise boat trips to Italy haven't been paid, why are they so careless with their travellers lives?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

From what I understand, if someone wants to claim asylum, international law means they have to do it in the first safe country they reach and not travel across several countries to reach "their" choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"From what I understand, if someone wants to claim asylum, international law means they have to do it in the first safe country they reach and not travel across several countries to reach "their" choice.

I suspect that many of those countries aren't "safe" because they are very hostile to asylum seekers. Suspecting that you'll be sent back would make that not a "safe" choice for you.

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By *aneandpaulCouple over a year ago

cleveleys

if they have no money were do they get there money to pay vast amounts to get on the boats to get across the med

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

I suspect that many of those countries aren't "safe" because they are very hostile to asylum seekers. Suspecting that you'll be sent back would make that not a "safe" choice for you."

I'd have thought anyone rescued from the Med by Bulwark could claim the UK as their first safe nation.

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By *radleyandRavenCouple over a year ago

Herts

I feel sorry for the lorry drivers. £2000 per head if found with immigrants onboard, and God only knows what you're supposed to do if/when confronted by a large group of desperate people who sometimes resort to violence.

Some of the places these people hide in as well, and they'll try again as soon as you get back into your cab.

I couldn't do it.

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By *lyingscotsman696Man over a year ago

Renfrewshire

They travel freely through Europe because there are no border crossings now between European countries

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"They travel freely through Europe because there are no border crossings now between European countries "

'Official' borders never really stopped anyone. Just like crossing from England to Scotland.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Because thankfully there are a good number of kind and compassionate humans in Europe who believe we should welcome asylum seekers and not just turn them back.

These people aren't coming here for a good life. They're trying to come here so that they have *some* life."

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

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By *lyingscotsman696Man over a year ago

Renfrewshire

It was never like crossing from England to Scotland unless you were in a private car. If you were drivable truck they cost you a lot of time & grief. its still the same going into countries like Swiss or Andorra

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?"

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine."

I have no problem with people coming here to live and work, abide by the law and pay into the system once they have established themselves.

However.

I do have a problem with people who come here to live and NOT work, don't abide by the law and milk the system.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"It was never like crossing from England to Scotland unless you were in a private car. If you were drivable truck they cost you a lot of time & grief. its still the same going into countries like Swiss or Andorra "

Or on foot, as most 'illegals' will be.

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By *uckMan over a year ago

Scunthorpe DN15

Is this not a problem for the World not just Europe and those countries that are close to hand. The humanitarian in me says they need help. Are we, as a people, really so special and superior that we can remain aloof to another human beings sufferings regardless or there nationality, religion or creed? Maybe this is not the right analogy and I apologise for any offense. But...

if this was 70 years ago and these people were fleeing Nazi oppression would we still thinking the same way?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine."

I don't think anyone would disagree with you on that. That is the question though, are they? How many actually come here to work? We are lucky in this country, very lucky compared to many. We went through our revolutions and civil wars many years ago, luckily for those of us who live in the present. The only difference it was done with swords instead of guns.

It is very noble to try and help others. But remember what happened to the French nobility.

And how long before we have our own revolutions again? If the influx continues. Whatever nationality or religion anyone coming into this country for whatever reason should respect our laws and abide by them. But unfortunately many don't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine."

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine."

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Water Cannon would be a fine answer, every time they approach the trucks, security opens up with water cannon, wash them all away rather than politely saying you bad man, please don't do it again, be on your way,

2 minutes later they are on another truck

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By *aneandpaulCouple over a year ago

cleveleys

Why beat about the bush they come here for the benefits if we had caught Bin Laden in stead of the Americans killing him we would have put him in a council house and gave hi benifit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that."

An optional migrants benefit tax .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm certainly not against anyone coming to this country to try and build a better life for themselves but it HAS to be done in a controlled, structured manner to ensure our systems and infrastructure can cope and not this rampant, unregulated influx.

The reason they come to the UK is because of the cushy housing and benefit system we have in place here means they can turn up, claim asylum and be given all manner of benefits. Also, I genuinely believe it's because we're an island at the end of the journey and it's easy for other European countries to keep them moving in one side and out the other but much more difficult for the uk. That's why something has to be done, chiefly stopping them coming in in the first place.

I don't mind if they come here and contribute to society but it's the spongers who come in and disappear off the system that are causing the real problem. I know loads of polish people who came over here a decade ago and have integrated into uk life brilliantly and that's totally fine.

Surely we should be using the houses and funds available to help people already in poverty in the uk before we give out resources away willy nilly to illegal immigrants?

Other countries around the world have much more stringent entry requirements and we need to adopt that policy as well as another decade or so down the line, our own economic system will be unable to cope. It's creaking at the seams as it is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that.

An optional migrants benefit tax . "

No, not optional.

We are a kind country that celebrates multiculturalism.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that.

An optional migrants benefit tax .

No, not optional.

We are a kind country that celebrates multiculturalism."

You may be happy to contribute more - and that is fine. But I am not.

and this has nothing to do with further enhancing our multiculturalism

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wish the views on here were just as passionate and extreme when Tony Blair and David Cameron decided to destroy the lives of the "illegals" in countries like Libya,Iraq for the sake of "democracy".

They're coming here cause their countries are in ruins mostly caused by Britain's foreign policy and until that changes people are always going to blame the victims instead of the government

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By *ulfilthmentMan over a year ago

Just around the corner

"I think we should send some of our armed forces to give the HGV drivers safe passage."

Perhaps the French could deploy a few of their own to deal with it. It's an EU problem not a British one. Unfortunately the collective either cannot or is unwilling to be more active to stop it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Increase UK tax payers tax to pay for migrants benefits

The solution has arrived

They'll be delighted over in calis

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I think we should send some of our armed forces to give the HGV drivers safe passage.

Perhaps the French could deploy a few of their own to deal with it. It's an EU problem not a British one. Unfortunately the collective either cannot or is unwilling to be more active to stop it."

Being more active is the solution. Stop and check EVERY car, bus, lorry, train etc to ensure no illegals are aboard. Yes, it'll take time/ cost money etc but it's the only way to stop it.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that."

OK so look at it another way.

How would you feel if tomorrow morning your boss told you that you were being made redundant because an immigrant will work for less?

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that.

OK so look at it another way.

How would you feel if tomorrow morning your boss told you that you were being made redundant because an immigrant will work for less?"

Isn't that what's happening anyway?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why have the french let 3000 illegal migrants cross hundreds of miles of their country without issue then set up camp at their opposite border?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Must be a little bit insulting to the french though "yes ever got absolutely nothing and still don't want to stay in your country we'd rather cross the channel"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Watching the news last night I had no idea that these immigrants are so violent and abusive to the lorry drivers. Hurling stones at the windscreens charging at the drivers in gangs of twenty or more. If they do manage to gain entry to the trailers they often ransack the cargo or urinate all over it.

Shocking!

I think we should send some of our armed forces to give the HGV drivers safe passage."

And the mess they leave too

some beautiful places in Italy have been left looking like a cross between a land fill and a deserted gypsy camp

it's just a total lack of respect I migrant or not why just leave your shit behind you

why would any county want this, mass mess and abuse isn't going to win your anyone's hearts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Great Britain .......... not anymore

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that.

OK so look at it another way.

How would you feel if tomorrow morning your boss told you that you were being made redundant because an immigrant will work for less?

Isn't that what's happening anyway?"

Pretty much yes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These men are criminals they think nothing of smashing up trucks breaking into cargos, cars, vans... To be honest if your happy doing whatever it takes to get into the UK, i reckon they won't exactly be the law abiding type once here?..... Arrest, process, put on a military plane back to country of origin within 1 week of arrest!.

They spend a shit load getting to Calais after a couple of times being sent back there'd soon give up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that.

An optional migrants benefit tax .

No, not optional.

We are a kind country that celebrates multiculturalism."

That's what I call easy touch !

At the end of the day ppl will go where they feel they will be best off ! Not the nearest place of safety !!

We are not Great Britain anymore !

Just trying to look after the ppl we have here at present has nearly brought us to our knees ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wish the views on here were just as passionate and extreme when Tony Blair and David Cameron decided to destroy the lives of the "illegals" in countries like Libya,Iraq for the sake of "democracy".

They're coming here cause their countries are in ruins mostly caused by Britain's foreign policy and until that changes people are always going to blame the victims instead of the government

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Genuine asylum cases should seek refuge in the first safe country they arrive at. Not travel hundreds or thousands of miles to arrive at soft touch Britain.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that.

OK so look at it another way.

How would you feel if tomorrow morning your boss told you that you were being made redundant because an immigrant will work for less?"

I'd ask for it in writing so I could take him to court and sue the arse of them

you can't actually terminate somebody's job I'm order to give it to another person

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By *ifferent69Man over a year ago

BRIGHTON, UK

Personaly I believe this uk gov,t wish to give the perception of concern about it,,,,

Though in reality jnow more could be done but are reluctant to do more...

Afterall most migrants who find work whether official or cash in hand do so in the Service industry.. low pay jobs..

Which incedently makes up the highest proportion of the ecomonomy which in turn supresses wages.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There not asylum seekers... They can make a genuine claim at an embassy.

There chances after money just like everybody else

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

some are coming to better themselves and their own which no one can deny is laudable and rather what Norman Tebbit once said..

some will be coming as they are after a free ride which funny enough we have some of already..

others will be coming as they are in danger of their lives through instability for a myriad of reasons, some which 'we' have contributed to through a mess of foreign policies..

beyond my 'pay scale' what the solution is but its certainly not going to go away any time soon and needs some joined up thinking by the 'leaders' of the continent and globally..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What about Tony Blair's intervention in Sierra Leone.... Come on the guy stopped a civil war... Yeah he caused a mess in Iraq but he had fuck all to do with the mess in Afghanistan or Syria or Libya or Egypt... These countries have been a mess for years of their own making... Much like alot of Africa unfortunately

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can't remember which uk foreign policy turned Italy, Germany and France I to wastelands and left them fleeing for their lives?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that.

An optional migrants benefit tax .

No, not optional.

We are a kind country that celebrates multiculturalism."

Actually this is real a new thing in the 60's and 70's we brought in people from the carribean to work in the hospitals but still there was amonisity to them. My own grandmother (irish) left her children with her mother took elocution lessons so she wouldn't be one that was told no irish wanted here. I think you have a unrealistic idea my grandmother and grandfather came to this country worked really hard and brought a house and sacrifice a great number of things to do this. They gave there children and education while reminding them all the time that this was a good country if you work hard it rewards you. Not come here and take what is handed to you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"some are coming to better themselves and their own which no one can deny is laudable and rather what Norman Tebbit once said..

some will be coming as they are after a free ride which funny enough we have some of already..

others will be coming as they are in danger of their lives through instability for a myriad of reasons, some which 'we' have contributed to through a mess of foreign policies..

beyond my 'pay scale' what the solution is but its certainly not going to go away any time soon and needs some joined up thinking by the 'leaders' of the continent and globally.."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that.

An optional migrants benefit tax .

No, not optional.

We are a kind country that celebrates multiculturalism."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that.

An optional migrants benefit tax .

No, not optional.

We are a kind country that celebrates multiculturalism.

Ireland was British you didn't need to emigrate until 1922, most of those posters came from the 30s to the 60s where millions of Irish fled the free Irish state which was in a state.

I'm half Irish myself

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that.

OK so look at it another way.

How would you feel if tomorrow morning your boss told you that you were being made redundant because an immigrant will work for less?"

That's illegal in this country.

And I'm self employed.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"Genuine asylum cases should seek refuge in the first safe country they arrive at. Not travel hundreds or thousands of miles to arrive at soft touch Britain. "

If everyone actually adhered to that rule then the problem would simply get bigger. If we stuck our fingers in our ears, closed our eyes and pulled up the drawbridge allowing Italy to sink under their obligations, do you really think that it would resolve anything?

There is a good reason that the International community gets involved collectively and that is because an International problem can only be resolved with international action and cooperation. Allowing Italy to absorb all of the problem just makes the problem bigger.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The Aussies just tow their boats back.

Time to get tough im afraid.

Sky reporting that these `desperate` people are carrying knives.

Wonder how desperate they will be when they land here and who will be on the end of one of these knives.

Not `Dave` thats for sure

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

If Italy and the bordering countries are happy to allow undocumented people to pass freely between their countries, that's up to them.

If either party doesn't agree, it shouldn't happen and it's ultimately the responsibility of the 'sending' country to stop it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Completly agree here , we've got a benifits system that can't cope, an NHS that is on the verge of collapse and adding another 3000+ to this problem isn't the way forward. We need the eu to look at what's happening and give some help to Greece and Italy where these migrants are coming through and send them back. And for the UK government to stop making it so easy for foreign nationals to claim everything under the sun .. think I've finished lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Aussies just tow their boats back.

So... mass murder is the way forward?

Sending people to their deaths?

Would you be prepared to go out there and kill them with your bare hands on the boat? Or would you prefer it if you didn't have to watch and could just pretend it wasn't happening?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Did anybody see that documentery on Eastern Europeans in Marble Arch living rough?.They were mugging tourists,defacating and urinating in street etc in full view of the police.How on earth can these people be let in and be an asset to the UK?.Were a laughing stock of Europe and a soft touch because of the Human Rights act.The sooner we toughen up on these people who take take take without putting nothing into society it will just get worse.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Aussies just tow their boats back.

So... mass murder is the way forward?

Sending people to their deaths?

Would you be prepared to go out there and kill them with your bare hands on the boat? Or would you prefer it if you didn't have to watch and could just pretend it wasn't happening?"

Dont agree with your comments wasp im afraid. These people arnt smuggled out over night in a quick exchange. Its a major planned operation.

Why dont we have UN borders helping them from where they come from

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Aussies just tow their boats back.

So... mass murder is the way forward?

Sending people to their deaths?

Would you be prepared to go out there and kill them with your bare hands on the boat? Or would you prefer it if you didn't have to watch and could just pretend it wasn't happening?

Dont agree with your comments wasp im afraid. These people arnt smuggled out over night in a quick exchange. Its a major planned operation.

Why dont we have UN borders helping them from where they come from"

I think we should send UN troops to help local police forces and so forth abroad too - if we could make many places more pleasant to be, then these people wouldn't be so desperate to leave. And we should campaign harder to encourage fairer laws to be made in many places. Arranged marriage laws, for instance, are a big reason why many women seek asylum here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It has to be controlled from their side. One we dont know who is coming here and two why here. If they are that desperate they would stay in France, many african coutires are French speaking

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It has to be controlled from their side. One we dont know who is coming here and two why here. If they are that desperate they would stay in France, many african coutires are French speaking"

As someone said above, it can take over a year for French bureaucracy to get them a meagre amount of money to live on.

Over here we give out a very small amount to try and help people survive.

Survive. Not die.

If you had over twelve months with absolutely no income, how would you live?

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By *rnortholtMan over a year ago

Waveney Valley

Calais has gone to hell since we lost it to the French!

Hey, maybe that's the solution!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Aussies just tow their boats back.

So... mass murder is the way forward?

Sending people to their deaths?

Would you be prepared to go out there and kill them with your bare hands on the boat? Or would you prefer it if you didn't have to watch and could just pretend it wasn't happening?

Dont agree with your comments wasp im afraid. These people arnt smuggled out over night in a quick exchange. Its a major planned operation.

Why dont we have UN borders helping them from where they come from

Un intervention is the only way forward.

Cure the problem not the symptom.

Migration has never really worked for humans in the past and I doubt it will work any better in the near future

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that.

OK so look at it another way.

How would you feel if tomorrow morning your boss told you that you were being made redundant because an immigrant will work for less?

I'd ask for it in writing so I could take him to court and sue the arse of them

you can't actually terminate somebody's job I'm order to give it to another person "

Put like that you are right. But there is more than one way to skin a cat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Aussies just tow their boats back.

So... mass murder is the way forward?

Sending people to their deaths?

Would you be prepared to go out there and kill them with your bare hands on the boat? Or would you prefer it if you didn't have to watch and could just pretend it wasn't happening?

Dont agree with your comments wasp im afraid. These people arnt smuggled out over night in a quick exchange. Its a major planned operation.

Why dont we have UN borders helping them from where they come from

Haha so you want UN police forces to aid these countries in their oppressions kidnapping and extrajudicial killing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Aussies just tow their boats back.

So... mass murder is the way forward?

Sending people to their deaths?

Would you be prepared to go out there and kill them with your bare hands on the boat? Or would you prefer it if you didn't have to watch and could just pretend it wasn't happening?

Dont agree with your comments wasp im afraid. These people arnt smuggled out over night in a quick exchange. Its a major planned operation.

Why dont we have UN borders helping them from where they come from

Haha so you want UN police forces to aid these countries in their oppressions kidnapping and extrajudicial killing

That was said a little tongue in cheek - further up the thread I did point out that it was often the authorities that were responsible for brutality.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

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"It has to be controlled from their side. One we dont know who is coming here and two why here. If they are that desperate they would stay in France, many african coutires are French speaking

As someone said above, it can take over a year for French bureaucracy to get them a meagre amount of money to live on.

Over here we give out a very small amount to try and help people survive.

Survive. Not die.

If you had over twelve months with absolutely no income, how would you live?"

The UK is not a registered charity

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We came through Calais on Monday night and there were lots of police around then. Loads of immigrants stood on the roadside too. A few more hours and we would of been stuck

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We came through Calais on Monday night and there were lots of police around then. Loads of immigrants stood on the roadside too. A few more hours and we would of been stuck "
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Is it a bad time for a booze cruise then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The recent strike by French ferry workers in Calais, caused chaos! I imagine it must have been awful being a lorry driver waiting in the traffic jams. Equally scarey for some of the general public waiting to cross. Or did we only see a small part of the whole story reported?

Allegedly, the deputy mayor of Calais has blamed the UK for the migrant surge, and said the British government should be doing more to address the problem.

it is reported that Emmanuel Agius said he would close the port if Britain did not accept more responsibility, adding that the British were "showing that they despise the people of Calais".

Been through a fair few times with trucks and buses and never had any problems. Was stuck there day before yesterday in the bit that was on the news and it was nothing like that. Saw two guys walking along the side of the road and the camp was pretty quiet.

Like everything the media take the extreme example and show that and it gives the impression it's like that all the time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It has to be controlled from their side. One we dont know who is coming here and two why here. If they are that desperate they would stay in France, many african coutires are French speaking

As someone said above, it can take over a year for French bureaucracy to get them a meagre amount of money to live on.

Over here we give out a very small amount to try and help people survive.

Survive. Not die.

If you had over twelve months with absolutely no income, how would you live?

The UK is not a registered charity"

You're quite right.

Lets take away ALL benefits from everyone. Especially those who need some help to get back on their feet.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

England currently has a population of about 1000 people per square mile!!.

That square mile has to house, collect water, grow food, roads, train tracks, hospitals, schools, factory's etc etc etc.. With a thousand people living on it?.

It's already overcrowded and the population needs reducing not increasing.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"It has to be controlled from their side. One we dont know who is coming here and two why here. If they are that desperate they would stay in France, many african coutires are French speaking

As someone said above, it can take over a year for French bureaucracy to get them a meagre amount of money to live on.

Over here we give out a very small amount to try and help people survive.

Survive. Not die.

If you had over twelve months with absolutely no income, how would you live?

The UK is not a registered charity

You're quite right.

Lets take away ALL benefits from everyone. Especially those who need some help to get back on their feet."

And that really does not make sense at all! This isnt about withdrawing benefits

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It has to be controlled from their side. One we dont know who is coming here and two why here. If they are that desperate they would stay in France, many african coutires are French speaking

As someone said above, it can take over a year for French bureaucracy to get them a meagre amount of money to live on.

Over here we give out a very small amount to try and help people survive.

Survive. Not die.

If you had over twelve months with absolutely no income, how would you live?

The UK is not a registered charity

You're quite right.

Lets take away ALL benefits from everyone. Especially those who need some help to get back on their feet.

And that really does not make sense at all! This isnt about withdrawing benefits

You're suggesting that this country shouldn't give people benefits because this country isn't a charity?

If someone needs money, then someone needs money. I'd favour my money going towards someone fleeing from war or violence than someone who just happened to get pregnant and have a baby.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It has to be controlled from their side. One we dont know who is coming here and two why here. If they are that desperate they would stay in France, many african coutires are French speaking

As someone said above, it can take over a year for French bureaucracy to get them a meagre amount of money to live on.

Over here we give out a very small amount to try and help people survive.

Survive. Not die.

If you had over twelve months with absolutely no income, how would you live?

The UK is not a registered charity

You're quite right.

Lets take away ALL benefits from everyone. Especially those who need some help to get back on their feet."

What's wrong with France especially as they speak French not English on a whole.

But why is it a lead the people saying we should all dig deep into our pay packets and she'll out for these economic migrants are the ones who have gained large amount so money tax free in their lives and evaded (not avoided) tax in the past?

It's always amusing just how socialist the people who know the won't have to pay and have refused to before are when it comes to paying with other people's money

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"England currently has a population of about 1000 people per square mile!!.

That square mile has to house, collect water, grow food, roads, train tracks, hospitals, schools, factory's etc etc etc.. With a thousand people living on it?.

It's already overcrowded and the population needs reducing not increasing."

Should we have a child cap here then? Lead by example. Pretty sure as a nation there are more sprigs born than immigrants coming here.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"It has to be controlled from their side. One we dont know who is coming here and two why here. If they are that desperate they would stay in France, many african coutires are French speaking

As someone said above, it can take over a year for French bureaucracy to get them a meagre amount of money to live on.

Over here we give out a very small amount to try and help people survive.

Survive. Not die.

If you had over twelve months with absolutely no income, how would you live?

The UK is not a registered charity

You're quite right.

Lets take away ALL benefits from everyone. Especially those who need some help to get back on their feet.

And that really does not make sense at all! This isnt about withdrawing benefits

You're suggesting that this country shouldn't give people benefits because this country isn't a charity?"

Wrong assumption on your part.

"If someone needs money, then someone needs money. I'd favour my money going towards someone fleeing from war or violence than someone who just happened to get pregnant and have a baby."

I'd favour my money going to citizens who have contributed to the country they are residing in - but that's my opinion - which is why the optional migrant tax would work so much better .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It has to be controlled from their side. One we dont know who is coming here and two why here. If they are that desperate they would stay in France, many african coutires are French speaking

As someone said above, it can take over a year for French bureaucracy to get them a meagre amount of money to live on.

Over here we give out a very small amount to try and help people survive.

Survive. Not die.

If you had over twelve months with absolutely no income, how would you live?

The UK is not a registered charity

You're quite right.

Lets take away ALL benefits from everyone. Especially those who need some help to get back on their feet.

And that really does not make sense at all! This isnt about withdrawing benefits

You're suggesting that this country shouldn't give people benefits because this country isn't a charity?

Wrong assumption on your part.

If someone needs money, then someone needs money. I'd favour my money going towards someone fleeing from war or violence than someone who just happened to get pregnant and have a baby.

I'd favour my money going to citizens who have contributed to the country they are residing in - but that's my opinion - which is why the optional migrant tax would work so much better ."

What about if they haven't contributed to the country?

Do you stand on the steps of the job centre and ask to inspect peoples last ten P60s before you let them have your money?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It has to be controlled from their side. One we dont know who is coming here and two why here. If they are that desperate they would stay in France, many african coutires are French speaking

As someone said above, it can take over a year for French bureaucracy to get them a meagre amount of money to live on.

Over here we give out a very small amount to try and help people survive.

Survive. Not die.

If you had over twelve months with absolutely no income, how would you live?

The UK is not a registered charity

You're quite right.

Lets take away ALL benefits from everyone. Especially those who need some help to get back on their feet.

And that really does not make sense at all! This isnt about withdrawing benefits

You're suggesting that this country shouldn't give people benefits because this country isn't a charity?

Wrong assumption on your part.

If someone needs money, then someone needs money. I'd favour my money going towards someone fleeing from war or violence than someone who just happened to get pregnant and have a baby.

I'd favour my money going to citizens who have contributed to the country they are residing in - but that's my opinion - which is why the optional migrant tax would work so much better .

What about if they haven't contributed to the country?

Do you stand on the steps of the job centre and ask to inspect peoples last ten P60s before you let them have your money?"

You could do it on the NHS too. Especially to children - after all, they've not contributed to the country yet either.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"It has to be controlled from their side. One we dont know who is coming here and two why here. If they are that desperate they would stay in France, many african coutires are French speaking

As someone said above, it can take over a year for French bureaucracy to get them a meagre amount of money to live on.

Over here we give out a very small amount to try and help people survive.

Survive. Not die.

If you had over twelve months with absolutely no income, how would you live?

The UK is not a registered charity

You're quite right.

Lets take away ALL benefits from everyone. Especially those who need some help to get back on their feet.

And that really does not make sense at all! This isnt about withdrawing benefits

You're suggesting that this country shouldn't give people benefits because this country isn't a charity?

Wrong assumption on your part.

If someone needs money, then someone needs money. I'd favour my money going towards someone fleeing from war or violence than someone who just happened to get pregnant and have a baby.

I'd favour my money going to citizens who have contributed to the country they are residing in - but that's my opinion - which is why the optional migrant tax would work so much better .

What about if they haven't contributed to the country?

Do you stand on the steps of the job centre and ask to inspect peoples last ten P60s before you let them have your money?"

They would not get over the border in the first place.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"It has to be controlled from their side. One we dont know who is coming here and two why here. If they are that desperate they would stay in France, many african coutires are French speaking

As someone said above, it can take over a year for French bureaucracy to get them a meagre amount of money to live on.

Over here we give out a very small amount to try and help people survive.

Survive. Not die.

If you had over twelve months with absolutely no income, how would you live?

The UK is not a registered charity

You're quite right.

Lets take away ALL benefits from everyone. Especially those who need some help to get back on their feet.

And that really does not make sense at all! This isnt about withdrawing benefits

You're suggesting that this country shouldn't give people benefits because this country isn't a charity?

Wrong assumption on your part.

If someone needs money, then someone needs money. I'd favour my money going towards someone fleeing from war or violence than someone who just happened to get pregnant and have a baby.

I'd favour my money going to citizens who have contributed to the country they are residing in - but that's my opinion - which is why the optional migrant tax would work so much better .

What about if they haven't contributed to the country?

Do you stand on the steps of the job centre and ask to inspect peoples last ten P60s before you let them have your money?

You could do it on the NHS too. Especially to children - after all, they've not contributed to the country yet either."

Same as answer above

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"It has to be controlled from their side. One we dont know who is coming here and two why here. If they are that desperate they would stay in France, many african coutires are French speaking

As someone said above, it can take over a year for French bureaucracy to get them a meagre amount of money to live on.

Over here we give out a very small amount to try and help people survive.

Survive. Not die.

If you had over twelve months with absolutely no income, how would you live?

The UK is not a registered charity

You're quite right.

Lets take away ALL benefits from everyone. Especially those who need some help to get back on their feet."

I think there is one itsy bitsy small detail that you have forgotten.

Britain is already over a trillion in debt and it is almost impossible to balance the books now.

So lets open the doors to the whole of Africa and the middle east. That should solve the problem

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"England currently has a population of about 1000 people per square mile!!.

That square mile has to house, collect water, grow food, roads, train tracks, hospitals, schools, factory's etc etc etc.. With a thousand people living on it?.

It's already overcrowded and the population needs reducing not increasing.

Should we have a child cap here then? Lead by example. Pretty sure as a nation there are more sprigs born than immigrants coming here.

B"
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You would be wrong!.

The UK population has/had been steady/falling for a long period,but yes I'm in favour of child capping financially!.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It would be nice if we could show the same in way if benefits etc that we show to illegal immegrants , to our pensioners and to our ex service men many if these people have put their lives on the the line for US and have had shit thrown back at them in recent years

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It would be nice if we could show the same in way if benefits etc that we show to illegal immegrants , to our pensioners and to our ex service men many if these people have put their lives on the the line for US and have had shit thrown back at them in recent years "

You mean, like the pensions that they already get?

Asylum seekers get £40 a week. I believe pensions are more than that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What are France asking us to do exactly?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"England currently has a population of about 1000 people per square mile!!.

That square mile has to house, collect water, grow food, roads, train tracks, hospitals, schools, factory's etc etc etc.. With a thousand people living on it?.

It's already overcrowded and the population needs reducing not increasing.

Should we have a child cap here then? Lead by example. Pretty sure as a nation there are more sprigs born than immigrants coming here.

You would be wrong!.

The UK population has/had been steady/falling for a long period,but yes I'm in favour of child capping financially!.

700k, just short of, for child birth rate in 2014

Immigrant numbers 318k for same period.

You either cap children or you don't. If you mean cap financially by not having benefit, will this extend to hospital and medical care, schooling etc?

Though this is all getting off the topic of Calais somewhat.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that.

An optional migrants benefit tax .

No, not optional.

We are a kind country that celebrates multiculturalism.

You may be happy to contribute more - and that is fine. But I am not.

and this has nothing to do with further enhancing our multiculturalism

You may be happy to contribute more - and that is fine. But I am not.

and this has nothing to do with further enhancing our multiculturalism

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By *lyingscotsman696Man over a year ago

Renfrewshire

They would be happy to be hit with a water cannon. It would be the first wash they have had in months. that is how you know they are in your trailer. The smell!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They would be happy to be hit with a water cannon. It would be the first wash they have had in months. that is how you know they are in your trailer. The smell! "

others in the know, believe it is CO2

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"England currently has a population of about 1000 people per square mile!!.

That square mile has to house, collect water, grow food, roads, train tracks, hospitals, schools, factory's etc etc etc.. With a thousand people living on it?.

It's already overcrowded and the population needs reducing not increasing.

Should we have a child cap here then? Lead by example. Pretty sure as a nation there are more sprigs born than immigrants coming here.

You would be wrong!.

The UK population has/had been steady/falling for a long period,but yes I'm in favour of child capping financially!.

700k, just short of, for child birth rate in 2014

Immigrant numbers 318k for same period.

You either cap children or you don't. If you mean cap financially by not having benefit, will this extend to hospital and medical care, schooling etc?

Though this is all getting off the topic of Calais somewhat.

B"
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No just simply reversing the policies we already have!

Instead of paying out child benefit you just phase it out to 2 children then 1 child, maybe even have a benefit for people who stay childless!.

This country is overpopulated by all normal account, ie self sufficiency!.

Let's face facts , the government have encouraged immigration for thirty years because of the temporary imbalance between old and young not because there isn't enough people living here already, so instead of altering our system to suit our needs they alter the population and keep the system?

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Yes it would be nice, but sadly Britain is far too preoccupied with putting the world to rights.

Just the foreign aid budget alone would put 12 billion back into the pot. A similar amount we give to the EU for bugger all would top it up quite nicely, and the untold billions given away to anyone who falls off a truck in Dover or kids living in Poland Etc would be the icing on the cake.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" sadly Britain is far too preoccupied with putting the world to rights.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm all in favour of foreign aid but it should be put into a pot in the un and they should use it through the un relief programme!.

That way if a country applies for money for infrastructure investment, it's built through the un for them, the biggest problem with any aid is it rarely solves any long term problem but gets siphoned off into wayward regimes back pockets

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We should implement a version of the Running Man game show for these folk...

Think about it, stream it live from the Beeb and boom! An instant revenue stream from selling the broadcasting rights to other countries. Since this is a special program advertising should be allowed which would further fill the government's coffers.

Another benefit would be through thinning the huge numbers of illegals. It would also act as a deterrent (for those who only want a free ride) and an incentive to those who are determined and motivated to get in. Government game show sanctioned killing could also finally open the door for legal euthanasia.

Job creation is another immediate benefit. Initially there would be construction of the special arena. But after construction there will be ongoing maintenance and repair.

No longer will we have a shortage of organs for transplant patients as there will be a readily available stream of cadavers for harvesting from...

Finally, we will have a whole bunch of new celebrities to worship. Bit like when Gladiators used to be on TV. I personally can't think of anything better than a UK version of Captain Freedom.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Maybe we could help by taking Britain to these immigrants.... we could just invade France, Annex the country and then the immigrants wouldn't need to risk sneaking across the channel.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You mean, like the pensions that they already get?

Asylum seekers get £40 a week. I believe pensions are more than that."
so we are saying that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, who have traveled across Europe passing through all these other countries can have housing etc while we have pensioners, ex service men and women living in poverty and this is ok? Sorry really do not agree here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You mean, like the pensions that they already get?

Asylum seekers get £40 a week. I believe pensions are more than that. so we are saying that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, who have traveled across Europe passing through all these other countries can have housing etc while we have pensioners, ex service men and women living in poverty and this is ok? Sorry really do not agree here "

They're not illegal immigrants if they're in the system. Illegal immigrants are specifically the ones that are *not* in the system.

The standard pension is £115 a week, I believe. Plus that's topped up with your own private and work pensions.

That's an awful lot more than £40 a week for those seeking asylum.

Or were you looking for something to get outraged at?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes it would be nice, but sadly Britain is far too preoccupied with putting the world to rights.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Keeping on the subject but changing emphasis slightly.

Some people ask the question "why should Italy bear the brunt of the migration across the Mediterranean"?

My answer would be that Britain bore it for it's former colonies so why shouldn't the Italians?

What is modern day Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, and even Libya are all former Italian colonies so I would think the Italians have a responsibility to anyone fleeing those country's at least.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

You mean, like the pensions that they already get?

They're not illegal immigrants if they're in the system. Illegal immigrants are specifically the ones that are *not* in the system.

The standard pension is £115 a week, I believe. Plus that's topped up with your own private and work pensions.

That's an awful lot more than £40 a week for those seeking asylum.

Or were you looking for something to get outraged at?"

Outraged? Funny old word that. These days it seems to get chucked around as a sort of insult to anyone who objects to the liberal internationalist agenda of the political class.

Well I bloody well do object to it.

A British pensioner who has worked for best part of 50 years and paid tax and NI is fully entitled to a damn site more than 115 quid a week.

An illegal immigrant should be entitled to sod all bar a plane ticket. End of.

Call me outraged if you like I will take the compliment.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

You mean, like the pensions that they already get?

They're not illegal immigrants if they're in the system. Illegal immigrants are specifically the ones that are *not* in the system.

The standard pension is £115 a week, I believe. Plus that's topped up with your own private and work pensions.

That's an awful lot more than £40 a week for those seeking asylum.

Or were you looking for something to get outraged at?"

You seem to quite easily disregard the fact that those taking a pension have contributed to the system, and you give more weight to the plight of persons who are coming to this country to take from the system.

What I see at Calais are not migrants seeking asylum, and to think otherwise would indicate a high degree of niavety.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

Having driven up through France in January and seen some of these people eying up lorries in service stations 100 miles from Calais I had to feel sorry for the drivers, they couldnt leave their vehicles for a minute without it being approached by the asylum seekers.

While I am sure there are some genuine cases most are after a better life and want to bypass the normal rules, if we allow them in then more and more will follow

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

You mean, like the pensions that they already get?

They're not illegal immigrants if they're in the system. Illegal immigrants are specifically the ones that are *not* in the system.

The standard pension is £115 a week, I believe. Plus that's topped up with your own private and work pensions.

That's an awful lot more than £40 a week for those seeking asylum.

Or were you looking for something to get outraged at?

What I see at Calais are not migrants seeking asylum, and to think otherwise would indicate a high degree of niavety.

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By *rivate auditionsMan over a year ago

West Midlands

The French allow these people through France to Calais unhindered without stopping them all the way from the border with Italy fully expecting us in UK to take them all in!,The French & Germans make all the EU decisions without taking any notice of the UK so let them now take them in because we are full,we are only a small island and take in more migrants per square mile than France & Germany so let them them in.

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By *rivate auditionsMan over a year ago

West Midlands

You mean, like the pensions that they already get?

They're not illegal immigrants if they're in the system. Illegal immigrants are specifically the ones that are *not* in the system.

The standard pension is £115 a week, I believe. Plus that's topped up with your own private and work pensions.

That's an awful lot more than £40 a week for those seeking asylum.

Or were you looking for something to get outraged at?

What I see at Calais are not migrants seeking asylum, and to think otherwise would indicate a high degree of niavety.

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By *rivate auditionsMan over a year ago

West Midlands

Most of these migrants are not genuine asylum seekers anyway...they are simply economic migrants...chancers!

Why is it that economic migrants from other countries are called 'chancers' or 'immigrants' yet economic migrants who are British are called 'expatriates'?

It's alright when we're doing it... just not ok when others are trying to do it.

There is a lot of talk of the UK having a similar system....but not possible while we remain in the current unreformed EU."

it irks me when people go on about people from our shores going abroad and the figures are always bandied about when migrants are metioned but you are totally correct!.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"England currently has a population of about 1000 people per square mile!!.

That square mile has to house, collect water, grow food, roads, train tracks, hospitals, schools, factory's etc etc etc.. With a thousand people living on it?.

It's already overcrowded and the population needs reducing not increasing.

Should we have a child cap here then? Lead by example. Pretty sure as a nation there are more sprigs born than immigrants coming here.

You would be wrong!.

The UK population has/had been steady/falling for a long period,but yes I'm in favour of child capping financially!.

A thousand people per square mile sounds very scary. You could imagine us all packed in like sardines with that number. Or alternatively think of a typical medium to large football pitch with the referee and two linesmen on it. That's a thousand people per square mile. If you put 22 players on it rockets to 8000 per square mile.

Still plenty of room for the offside trap though.

If you look at some of the more expensive/exclusive London boroughs you'll find population densities of 20 to 30 thousand per square mile. For some strange reason people still willingly go to live there.

1000 per square mile is also a cheeky number to quote because it applies to England only. Somewhere we forget the rest of the UK exists with far lower population densities in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland for the purposes of a good headline number a la Daily Mail.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is only one answer get out of the euro and close the borders and take the Australian way with immigrants but the government is to scared to do anything, if it keeps going there not going to.be a welfare or nhs sad time if that happens but i can see it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is only one answer get out of the euro and close the borders and take the Australian way with immigrants but the government is to scared to do anything, if it keeps going there not going to.be a welfare or nhs sad time if that happens but i can see it "

When did we get into the euro? I must rush out and change all these pound notes I've saved up.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan over a year ago

derby

"I know......... Let's cut 12Bn off the welfare budget and make it less attractive to come here

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Lets be truthful about this thats why they all come here, to the Land of plenty, their told that by their Friends to start with, we must be the Most loved country in the world...

and getting to be the most over Crowded at the same time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"England currently has a population of about 1000 people per square mile!!.

That square mile has to house, collect water, grow food, roads, train tracks, hospitals, schools, factory's etc etc etc.. With a thousand people living on it?.

It's already overcrowded and the population needs reducing not increasing."

How are you going to reduce the population then ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"England currently has a population of about 1000 people per square mile!!.

That square mile has to house, collect water, grow food, roads, train tracks, hospitals, schools, factory's etc etc etc.. With a thousand people living on it?.

It's already overcrowded and the population needs reducing not increasing.

How are you going to reduce the population then ?

If we go metric it reduces to 400 per square kilometre...

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By *ongtalljonMan over a year ago

North Wales

The problem of immigrants isn' t confined to just Britain and Calais.

I travel throughout Europe.

Paris is nothing more than a dump once you step away from the big tourist attractions. Paris is already home to immigrants from many poorer (including other European) countries. I've seen as many as 20 homeless vagabonds sleeping rough in Metro stations, the same faces each day. Shanty towns in motorway junctions. Tents under railway bridges.

Immigrants pushing stolen supermarket trollies with braziers made out of oil drums, to sell chestnuts and sweetcorn on street corners.

It's frankly shocking, and many, many true Parisians are heartbroken to see their city being destroyed.

There's no easy answer, but the 3000 camped in Calais are the tip of a massive iceberg.

It's an European problem, and the WHOLE of Europe needs to work together.

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By *ezjez369Man over a year ago

london

Typical french. Run away and blame someone else for problems no their watch. Close the port if calais, no problem,where are all the I migrants going to go then garcon? Oh they'll go to dieppe or further down the coast. God forbid, they may just stay in cosy Paris?

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By *oachman 9CoolMan over a year ago

derby

"Why beat about the bush they come here for the benefits if we had caught Bin Laden in stead of the Americans killing him we would have put him in a council house and gave hi benifit"
I,ve always been suspicious of the guy down the road

Just his look alike..

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There's no easy answer, but the 3000 camped in Calais are the tip of a massive iceberg.

It's an European problem, and the WHOLE of Europe needs to work together."

I completely agree. If all the European countries weren't so busy scoring points and trying to get one over on each other, they would all get together to make a cohesive plan. We will lose sight of the genuine asylum seekers amongst the influx, if it carries on, as is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You mean, like the pensions that they already get?

They're not illegal immigrants if they're in the system. Illegal immigrants are specifically the ones that are *not* in the system.

The standard pension is £115 a week, I believe. Plus that's topped up with your own private and work pensions.

That's an awful lot more than £40 a week for those seeking asylum.

Or were you looking for something to get outraged at?

What I see at Calais are not migrants seeking asylum, and to think otherwise would indicate a high degree of niavety.

Well I can tell you first hand that there are women and children doing it as well. I've spoken to women that have made it to Calais with their kids then travelled in refrigerated lorries, one woman had her 3 year old and 5 year old with her and had 7 hours with the dead body of a man next to them. These people risk their lives doing it so it kind of gives you an idea of how bad it is in their countries. I can see both sides of the coin, I feel bad for the poor fuckers but I also feel angry about how many people are coming here. I've been working in the prison service for a couple of years now and when you look at the annual crime statistics you see how many crimes are committed by non British residents, sexual assaults and violent attacks on women are the main ones, that's what pisses me off. They do want to come here for a better life but it's hard for them to intergrate, they come from countries where their culture is different, they come from places where women are second class citizens and that's a worry. Also you can't say don't give them any benefits or money because then they'll just rob you, muggings and burglaries are also common crimes amongst asylum seekers because they aren't entitled to mainstream benefits or housing benefit, they have a tiny amount of money to survive off.

Dunno what the solution is, France and the other countries need to be forced to give them the same support that we do and then they will settle in the first country they get to instead of trying to get here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You mean, like the pensions that they already get?

They're not illegal immigrants if they're in the system. Illegal immigrants are specifically the ones that are *not* in the system.

The standard pension is £115 a week, I believe. Plus that's topped up with your own private and work pensions.

That's an awful lot more than £40 a week for those seeking asylum.

Or were you looking for something to get outraged at?

Outraged? Funny old word that. These days it seems to get chucked around as a sort of insult to anyone who objects to the liberal internationalist agenda of the political class.

Well I bloody well do object to it.

A British pensioner who has worked for best part of 50 years and paid tax and NI is fully entitled to a damn site more than 115 quid a week.

An illegal immigrant should be entitled to sod all bar a plane ticket. End of.

Call me outraged if you like I will take the compliment."

£115 is quite alot of money though, to be honest.

Considering that you don't have a home then you get that paid for you (although, most pensioners should own their own homes - since they most likely all bought when they were cheap. People my age are very likely to never own their own home).

And of course you get fuel subsidies. And there are schemes to get free eco electricity upgrades now too. And expensive things like loft insulation are paid for by the government as well. As are disability adaptions in many areas.

Many counties pay for pensioners to have free travel too. So no need to run expensive cars unless they live out in the countryside - most pensioners don't live out in the countryside.

£500 untaxed a month for a single person who has never married, who has never contributed to a private pension, who has never had a workplace pension (unlikely for most pensioners today) is actually quite alot of money for simply being retired.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You mean, like the pensions that they already get?

They're not illegal immigrants if they're in the system. Illegal immigrants are specifically the ones that are *not* in the system.

The standard pension is £115 a week, I believe. Plus that's topped up with your own private and work pensions.

That's an awful lot more than £40 a week for those seeking asylum.

Or were you looking for something to get outraged at?

What I see at Calais are not migrants seeking asylum, and to think otherwise would indicate a high degree of niavety.

I agree with you

If I was in a country where I was scared of me and my children being attacked, sold into slavery or killed every time I left the house I would do the same, anybody would, we all want the best for our kids and this people are no different so I really find it hard to condemn people for doing what I fully admit I would do

But I also realise Europe can't cope

The solution is to stop the wars in these counties so their citizens don't flee for their life's but we all know that will never happen

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The solution is to stop the wars in these counties so their citizens don't flee for their life's but we all know that will never happen "

No oil to gain control of...

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By *ztec101Man over a year ago

durham

I would buy a couple of cheep boats and let them all on then sink it in the middle of the channel they only come here to sponge and Rob and make a joke of this country all these do gooders don't help bet they wouldn't let them live in a spare room genuine assilem seekers would stay in the country they first came to not soft full of idiot do Gooder country like ours rant over ps anybody selling a cheep boat

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"We should implement a version of the Running Man game show for these folk...

Job creation is another immediate benefit. Initially there would be construction of the special arena. But after construction there will be ongoing maintenance and repair.

No longer will we have a shortage of organs for transplant patients as there will be a readily available stream of cadavers for harvesting from...

Finally, we will have a whole bunch of new celebrities to worship. Bit like when Gladiators used to be on TV. I personally can't think of anything better than a UK version of Captain Freedom."

I was going to go with, just make sure they know about the UK detention centres and the deaths there have been, but your solution is much better. So much more a proper modern voyeuristic, and creative, response to the problem.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I would buy a couple of cheep boats and let them all on then sink it in the middle of the channel they only come here to sponge and Rob and make a joke of this country all these do gooders don't help bet they wouldn't let them live in a spare room genuine assilem seekers would stay in the country they first came to not soft full of idiot do Gooder country like ours rant over ps anybody selling a cheep boat"

If I could afford a house rather than renting (which I might be able to if the current generation of about-to-be-retirees hadn't cashed in on the housing market) then I would gladly give up a spare room to a homeless person or an asylum seeker.

Got to be better than murder, right?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Stop and actually take a look at these asylum seekers. Have you ever noticed something about them?

They're all males. Do you ever see women or children trying to get on these HGV's? Yes some women and children get through by other means but most asylum seekers are men.

Often they've paid thousands to traffickers and say how dangerous it is back home. Now ask yourself this, where are their wives and children? Left back home.

I watched a documentary on Channel 4 so it was very much on the poor asylum seekers side. This guy talked about how he'd spent £6000 on getting from Africa. His wife and kids were left in this very dangerous country so dangerous he had to flee. £6000! How long would that have kept his family and him?

International law states that the first country they enter should give them asylum.

We don't need anymore scroungers here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've got a cheap boat, I insist you test drive it first, Yano just to make sure it'll sink like you want it to

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By *ocksalt69Man over a year ago

cardiff

"There is no easy solution to this crisis. It has been going on for years and will continue to do so, all the time the uk is an attractive proposition.

We need to look at why the uk is so attractive. The NHS, benefit system and housing systems all make us an attractive destination.

On a slightly more controversial note....I'm not sure why the EU imports them. When the various navies pick them up from the sea, why can't they give them first aid and drop them back to Africa? "

So all illegal immigrants and the whole bunch in Calais come from Africa???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How do you distinguish between a genuine asylum seeker and a non genuine one? They can't settle in the first country they come to because those countries don't do fuck all for them or take a long time to do it 12-18 months. You can see what happens in France, alright they aren't getting shot at but they are left to fend for themselves, no food, no shelter, no work permits so can't even work even I'd they want to. They come to the uk because they can get granted indefinite or exceptional leave to remain within 2 months, that means they will have a national insurance number and be able to work.

I am by no means a do gooder, I don't even like English people living in my country but I understand why these people do what they do.

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By *aneandpaulCouple over a year ago

cleveleys

think welsh gob shit comes into it were not keen on welsh living in our country

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am by no means a do gooder, I don't even like English people living in my country

Did you want the whole country to yourself

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

what a vile and cowardly statement..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

what a vile and cowardly statement.."

That's a lot politer than my reply but then I thought I may get a ban if I posted it so hit the back button

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

what a vile and cowardly statement..

That's a lot politer than my reply but then I thought I may get a ban if I posted it so hit the back button

threads like this have a habit of bringing out the most disgusting side of some..

humanity eh..

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

You mean, like the pensions that they already get?

They're not illegal immigrants if they're in the system. Illegal immigrants are specifically the ones that are *not* in the system.

The standard pension is £115 a week, I believe. Plus that's topped up with your own private and work pensions.

That's an awful lot more than £40 a week for those seeking asylum.

Or were you looking for something to get outraged at?

Outraged? Funny old word that. These days it seems to get chucked around as a sort of insult to anyone who objects to the liberal internationalist agenda of the political class.

Well I bloody well do object to it.

A British pensioner who has worked for best part of 50 years and paid tax and NI is fully entitled to a damn site more than 115 quid a week.

An illegal immigrant should be entitled to sod all bar a plane ticket. End of.

Call me outraged if you like I will take the compliment.

£115 is quite alot of money though, to be honest.

Many counties pay for pensioners to have free travel too. So no need to run expensive cars unless they live out in the countryside - most pensioners don't live out in the countryside.

Quite a lot of money!!!

Simply being retired !!!

simply crazy

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By *aneandpaulCouple over a year ago

cleveleys

All these do gooders get your self to Dover fetch a few home and put them up in your spare room or put a tent in the garden

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"All these do gooders get your self to Dover fetch a few home and put them up in your spare room or put a tent in the garden"

If not wanting to wish a horrible, slow, undignified death on people is now do-gooding, and a bad thing, we really have reached the nadir of humanity.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

Let 'em all in here

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

people look at civilised countries through the benefit of hindsight and where genocide has taken place and rightly ask 'how was that allowed to happen'..?

you only have to have this sort of thread to see that some would be active participants yet later claim they were only 'obeying orders'..

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By *icked weaselCouple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

"Let 'em all in here"

That's all we have done for the last twenty years or so !!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That band on Phoenix Nights had the right idea " Send the buggers back"

But if they're genuinely fleeing war/persuction then we should be taking our share, no idea how many the rest of Europe are taking though. We took in Jews fleeing Nazi Germany in the 30's, if they stayed then we all know what would have happened, same sort of thing is happening with ISIS.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All these do gooders get your self to Dover fetch a few home and put them up in your spare room or put a tent in the garden

If not wanting to wish a horrible, slow, undignified death on people is now do-gooding, and a bad thing, we really have reached the nadir of humanity.

Some people are beyond words

Maybe they should live a week in the shows of these people before they comment, and if they do come back and let us all know how it was living in fear for your life every day and if they would do the same

I have no time for such cruel minded people

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Let 'em all in here

That's all we have done for the last twenty years or so !!!

I know

The more you guys let in here the less we have to take in Germany

Like someone else said in an ealier post; the do-gooders should have one each living with them in their homes; problem solved

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All these do gooders get your self to Dover fetch a few home and put them up in your spare room or put a tent in the garden

If not wanting to wish a horrible, slow, undignified death on people is now do-gooding, and a bad thing, we really have reached the nadir of humanity.

Some people are beyond words

I have no time for such cruel minded people "

And I can't bloody spell either

Shoes*

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"All these do gooders get your self to Dover fetch a few home and put them up in your spare room or put a tent in the garden

If not wanting to wish a horrible, slow, undignified death on people is now do-gooding, and a bad thing, we really have reached the nadir of humanity.

Some people are beyond words

I have no time for such cruel minded people

And I can't bloody spell either

Shoes*

I agree; give them shoes too; three pairs each

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that.

An optional migrants benefit tax .

No, not optional.

We are a kind country that celebrates multiculturalism.

Ireland was British you didn't need to emigrate until 1922, most of those posters came from the 30s to the 60s where millions of Irish fled the free Irish state which was in a state.

I'm half Irish myself"

Well that will be my granny then as she is 95 so I will let you do the maths and as an Irish person myself not half I was born there I can promise at no point has the south of Ireland ever considered itself or its people British but that is another story. My nan didn't flee she came to find work she went back for her children and to look after her old people

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Piss off ,,, WE'RE FULL.! LOL

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

So when in your view would enough be enough then ? or should we just have an endless open door policy until the benefit system outstrips our GDP ?

I don't know. I'm not an economics expert.

I just know that I have a very comfortable life - as do most people in this country. And I don't begrudge people coming here to try and have a life like mine.

If you don't mind that's ok - and you would be happy to give an extra 30 or 40% of your available income to support this?

I'd be happy to see my tax go up if it meant we could give people a better life, yes. I don't have a problem with that.

An optional migrants benefit tax .

No, not optional.

We are a kind country that celebrates multiculturalism.

Ireland was British you didn't need to emigrate until 1922, most of those posters came from the 30s to the 60s where millions of Irish fled the free Irish state which was in a state.

I'm half Irish myself

The Irish are quick enough to claim to be British when it suits them.

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