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over a year ago
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Just seen on the news they're letting him out but won't deport him because his own country refused to have him as a citizen?? Wtf!!!!! Am i mental. I bet none of those twats who made that decision lost anyone in the 7/7 bombings. Yeah stay, no worries and come and stab me while your here!!!!! Ffs!! Oh but i forgot he's 'armless  |
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"Just seen on the news they're letting him out but won't deport him because his own country refused to have him as a citizen?? Wtf!!!!! Am i mental. "
I thought it was just me clearly misreading the paper as surely that could not be right....someone so dangerous their own country wont let them back but we are keeping him in case his human rights are breached 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just seen on the news they're letting him out but won't deport him because his own country refused to have him as a citizen?? Wtf!!!!! Am i mental.
I thought it was just me clearly misreading the paper as surely that could not be right....someone so dangerous their own country wont let them back but we are keeping him in case his human rights are breached
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I think the wording is that he 'could' be released next year so as not to infringe on his human rights...underneath a ruling by the European Court.
Had we (the british) not dragged our heels in revoking his rights to citizenship, the egyptians wouldn't have gotten in there first |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I bet our bloody stupid government are spending £1000's of our money a week protecting the bastard too.
Where are these right wing thugs when you need them? R |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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No they won't take his passport off him because it would leave him "stateless" he should be forced to go back to an egyptian cell. He was born there, they should deal with him. |
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the yanks desperatly want him to be tried in usa for terrorism related charges but for years labour government clung onto him!,why?.they freely gave up to the yanks a poor young computer hacker who had somehow got into usa security computer system but would not give up a terrorist agitator!,now the new government want to cling onto him by securing his british passport when his own country of egypt took his passport from him and do not even want him!.
why should we pay to keep him and his family housed and fed when all they seemingly want to do is to run this country down in public and take the piss? |
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By *o DaddyMan
over a year ago
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"I bet our bloody stupid government are spending £1000's of our money a week protecting the bastard too.
Where are these right wing thugs when you need them? R"
i think you will find that the "thugs" are on the left wing side my friend!,call themselves anti fascist league and other silly non-sensical names.
they willing cry for freedom of speech yet deny the access of this freedom of speech to others by teaming up with the great unwashed and taking to the streets and fighting with the police and scaring the public from doing the saturday shopping!.
there are enough video clips on yourtube of these scum in action on saturday afternoons |
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it is said that he lost his hands , and an eye whilst clearing mines left in afghanistan by the russians
it could be argued that he is entittled to help from the british legion poppy appeal in obtaining some false hands etc
he is after all a british citizen and passport holder , that was injured serving abroad
there have been a number of attacks recently on muslim extreemists , which is supprising because i thought that the united kingdom was a country of tolerance
we should accept that people have differing oppinions and religious beliefs , and that is what makes up the rich tapestry of multicultural britain
some of the recent rantings directed at muslims recently , resemble the hard line rantings of the muslim extreemists themselves !
what ever happened to turning the other cheek ? |
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over a year ago
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What?? We're not ranting at muslims we're ranting at a man who freely admits to inciting murder and the people in power who choose to keep him here. Turn the other cheek?? No not when the people i love are in danger. |
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"I bet our bloody stupid government are spending £1000's of our money a week protecting the bastard too.
Where are these right wing thugs when you need them? R
i think you will find that the "thugs" are on the left wing side my friend!,call themselves anti fascist league and other silly non-sensical names.
they willing cry for freedom of speech yet deny the access of this freedom of speech to others by teaming up with the great unwashed and taking to the streets and fighting with the police and scaring the public from doing the saturday shopping!.
there are enough video clips on yourtube of these scum in action on saturday afternoons"
Which ever wing they're on they should take to the centre, run down it and boot him straight in the bollocks!  R |
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"it is said that he lost his hands , and an eye whilst clearing mines left in afghanistan by the russians
it could be argued that he is entittled to help from the british legion poppy appeal in obtaining some false hands etc
he is after all a british citizen and passport holder , that was injured serving abroad
there have been a number of attacks recently on muslim extreemists , which is supprising because i thought that the united kingdom was a country of tolerance
we should accept that people have differing oppinions and religious beliefs , and that is what makes up the rich tapestry of multicultural britain
some of the recent rantings directed at muslims recently , resemble the hard line rantings of the muslim extreemists themselves !
what ever happened to turning the other cheek ?"
I thought he lost his hands planting a bomb whilst fighting for the bosnian muslims against the serb christians in his so called holy war. |
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over a year ago
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I think some lateral thinking is required here. Hamza was jailed for 7 years, and under our parole system he is eligable for release if he no longer deemd a threat to society. That's hardly likely is it. So he'll serve out his sentence and then he'll be released. British justice is seen to be done and out he comes, to continue spewing out his hate-filled bilge and, hey presto, straight back inside he goes for a longer tarrif.
Why let the yanks have him who may or may not jail him when we can be assured that now he's in our legal targetting sights we can lock the fucking wanker up as soon as he opens his fat ugly gob.
Hopefully he'll just piss off somewhere else on his release but then if he does, what's to stop him orchestrating and even more violent capaign of hate against the UK.
No, far better to keep him here, heavily censored and mightily pissed off about it. And then toss his hook handed ass in jail everytime he steps out of line. |
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Under International Law he couldn't have his British passport stripped as that would leave him without a state, and like it or not International Law trumps all national laws regarding citizenship.
Wishy is right, he will only be released early from prison if he is deemed safe to enter back into society....and that is highly unlikely.
I am not convinced that he will be extradited to the USA as they are struggling to come up with any hard evidence that would see him stand trial in the States, and again under our extradition agreement with the USA there has to be probable cause before extradition is undertaken.
Hamza won't be able to shit the wrong shape on his eventual release from prison, his days of preaching hatred are well past him. Once you have been convicted for enciting murder and racism it makes any second conviction a certainty.
Please don't give me a sob story about the computer hacker and his extradition, to hack into US military and Intelligence websites in the middle of a war against terrorism isn't any accident....he knew exactly what he was doing and for all we know he could have been acting for a terrorist cell, collating information for further attacks......so he will have to pay for his crimes like anyone else would. |
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"it is said that he lost his hands , and an eye whilst clearing mines left in afghanistan by the russians
it could be argued that he is entittled to help from the british legion poppy appeal in obtaining some false hands etc
he is after all a british citizen and passport holder , that was injured serving abroad
there have been a number of attacks recently on muslim extreemists , which is supprising because i thought that the united kingdom was a country of tolerance
we should accept that people have differing oppinions and religious beliefs , and that is what makes up the rich tapestry of multicultural britain
some of the recent rantings directed at muslims recently , resemble the hard line rantings of the muslim extreemists themselves !
what ever happened to turning the other cheek ?"
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i think some people need to wake up and look around, see whats really going on |
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"it is said that he lost his hands , and an eye whilst clearing mines left in afghanistan by the russians
it could be argued that he is entittled to help from the british legion poppy appeal in obtaining some false hands etc
he is after all a british citizen and passport holder , that was injured serving abroad
there have been a number of attacks recently on muslim extreemists , which is supprising because i thought that the united kingdom was a country of tolerance
we should accept that people have differing oppinions and religious beliefs , and that is what makes up the rich tapestry of multicultural britain
some of the recent rantings directed at muslims recently , resemble the hard line rantings of the muslim extreemists themselves !
what ever happened to turning the other cheek ?
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i think some people need to wake up and look around, see whats really going on"
I think they were being sarcastic rather than posting something they believed in...... |
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"it is said that he lost his hands , and an eye whilst clearing mines left in afghanistan by the russians
it could be argued that he is entittled to help from the british legion poppy appeal in obtaining some false hands etc
he is after all a british citizen and passport holder , that was injured serving abroad
there have been a number of attacks recently on muslim extreemists , which is supprising because i thought that the united kingdom was a country of tolerance
we should accept that people have differing oppinions and religious beliefs , and that is what makes up the rich tapestry of multicultural britain
some of the recent rantings directed at muslims recently , resemble the hard line rantings of the muslim extreemists themselves !
what ever happened to turning the other cheek ?
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i think some people need to wake up and look around, see whats really going on
I think they were being sarcastic rather than posting something they believed in......"
just re read it and think your right, my bad abit hungover lol |
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Abu Hamza al-Masri is a despicable excuse for a human being, his actions and attitude are not helped by the fact that the Serbs went on an ethnic cleansing spree in the former Yugoslavia.
In a way the world is paying the price for the past actions of Serbia and also that of Israel, and the failings of the United Nations to exercise control. |
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"If you look back at previous posts by this member you would understand the 'sarcasm' term....."
time to petition for that sarcasm font me thinks.
I don't require a lol or emoticon to tell me, if anything, I think the person is using them to cover up the fact they are actually being arseholes and trying to pass it of as sarcasm.
The turn the other cheek was wirmly tongue in cheek. Possibly not a subject that many can see the humour in though |
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over a year ago
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There aren't any previous posts by the poster on this topic. Are you suggesting i trawl through the forum and find posts that they've written, delve into the mind of people and try to work out their sense of humour?? Surely if you're going to be sarcastic you've got to make it known its sarcasm?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There aren't any previous posts by the poster on this topic. Are you suggesting i trawl through the forum and find posts that they've written, delve into the mind of people and try to work out their sense of humour?? Surely if you're going to be sarcastic you've got to make it known its sarcasm?? "
tut is that implying that just because you are a single man on fab, u have no meets and nothing better to do.
harsh.  |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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He is a vile and evil man and if I was getting what he and his family were getting from the UK taxpayer I would never get out off my bed for work again, and all this while spouting hatred against the country that he sponges from.
And as TraceandRic said above if he lived near me I would slap the f****r every time I passed him and I dont care if in some folks opinion it made me as bad as him |
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over a year ago
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"Got to feel sorry for the guy though , lets be honest the only job hes equipped to do is work in a cloakroom as a coat rack!!"
u wouldn't do so bad yersel by the look o yer equipment  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Under International Law he couldn't have his British passport stripped as that would leave him without a state, and like it or not International Law trumps all national laws regarding citizenship.
Wishy is right, he will only be released early from prison if he is deemed safe to enter back into society....and that is highly unlikely.
I am not convinced that he will be extradited to the USA as they are struggling to come up with any hard evidence that would see him stand trial in the States, and again under our extradition agreement with the USA there has to be probable cause before extradition is undertaken.
Hamza won't be able to shit the wrong shape on his eventual release from prison, his days of preaching hatred are well past him. Once you have been convicted for enciting murder and racism it makes any second conviction a certainty.
Please don't give me a sob story about the computer hacker and his extradition, to hack into US military and Intelligence websites in the middle of a war against terrorism isn't any accident....he knew exactly what he was doing and for all we know he could have been acting for a terrorist cell, collating information for further attacks......so he will have to pay for his crimes like anyone else would."
the other Problem with trying to extradite him to the USA is that under British and EU you can't if what he is being charged for has the possibility of the "death sentence" hanging over it.....
so that means you would have to get them to agree to only persue a sentence of "life without parole"...... and with anything concerning 9/11 it is a pill a lot of people will have trouble swallowing......
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any extremist or cleric or whoever that comes into someone elses counrty and promotes hatred and preaches about terrorism and death to our people needs to be treated the same as someone whos committed treason, kill the bastard... but i'm probably being racist in some political correctness obbsessed persons opinion.. ah well dont care |
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"any extremist or cleric or whoever that comes into someone elses counrty and promotes hatred and preaches about terrorism and death to our people needs to be treated the same as someone whos committed treason, kill the bastard... but i'm probably being racist in some political correctness obbsessed persons opinion.. ah well dont care "
not racist since preachers of violence and terrorism come in all nationalities and races. |
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yeah but theres usually some idiot just waiting for anything they can pull the race card on, and set on protecting scum like hamza, fact is alot of other countries wouldnt tolerate it at all, some would have you buried up to your neck and stoned to death for far less let alone preaching hatred towards us.
makes you see how pathetic things have got that we take this kind of shit from evil bastards like that. personally if i saw him in the street id stamp on his face untill he wasnt able to utter another word of hatred, rant over...sorry just pisses me right off |
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"any extremist or cleric or whoever that comes into someone elses counrty and promotes hatred and preaches about terrorism and death to our people needs to be treated the same as someone whos committed treason, kill the bastard... but i'm probably being racist in some political correctness obbsessed persons opinion.. ah well dont care "
Do you have any understanding of the legal complexities of the charge of treason?
Treason is a word widely used on here, Abu Hamza for all his vitriolic and disgusting ramblings has not said anything publically that is classed as treason....look into treason and you will understand better.
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And Hamza was found guilty in an English court of law and rightly imprisoned for a term of Seven years for his crimes, to suggest that he was able to get away with his ramblings simply isn't true.....his conviction says otherwise. |
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"And Hamza was found guilty in an English court of law and rightly imprisoned for a term of Seven years for his crimes, to suggest that he was able to get away with his ramblings simply isn't true.....his conviction says otherwise."
prison doesn't stop organised criminals doing what they do. He still controls the hatred he spews from his cell and its naive to think otherwise
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"it is said that he lost his hands , and an eye whilst clearing mines left in afghanistan by the russians
it could be argued that he is entittled to help from the british legion poppy appeal in obtaining some false hands etc
he is after all a british citizen and passport holder , that was injured serving abroad
there have been a number of attacks recently on muslim extreemists , which is supprising because i thought that the united kingdom was a country of tolerance
we should accept that people have differing oppinions and religious beliefs , and that is what makes up the rich tapestry of multicultural britain
some of the recent rantings directed at muslims recently , resemble the hard line rantings of the muslim extreemists themselves !
what ever happened to turning the other cheek ?
I thought he lost his hands planting a bomb whilst fighting for the bosnian muslims against the serb christians in his so called holy war."
Actually, t was in Jalalabad taking part in reconstruction schemes and demining projects that he lost his hands and one of his eyes.
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"And Hamza was found guilty in an English court of law and rightly imprisoned for a term of Seven years for his crimes, to suggest that he was able to get away with his ramblings simply isn't true.....his conviction says otherwise. prison doesn't stop organised criminals doing what they do. He still controls the hatred he spews from his cell and its naive to think otherwise "
But a prison sentence is the tariff laid down in English Law for the offence he was found guilty of, and we live under English Law in this country. |
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never said it was treason, i said it should be treated as, and yes i know the difference, my point was he's against the people of this country and promoting the shit he promtotes, which is wrong, ??? |
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Well said Jane , the very fact that Abu Hamza was tried by a jury of his peers , was innocent till proven guilty , given the opportunity to defend hmself , had legal counsel provided and all done in an open court says more about this country than any amount of bile he could spill in a lifetime. |
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In February 2006 Abu Hamza was convicted of 11 of 15 charges and jailed for seven years.
He was found guilty of six charges of soliciting to murder, three charges related to "stirring up racial hatred", one of owning recordings related to "stirring up racial hatred", and further charge of possessing a "terrorist encyclopaedia".
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A leading QC, a team of lawyers and a spcial court advocate, funded by the taxpayer, all acted.
Some of Hamza's QC Ed Fitzgerald's clients include Moors Murderer Myra Hindley and the killer of James Bulger, Jon Venables. |
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That's the mark of a good legal system in any country, the right to a good and strong defence.
Otherwise this country would end up with a legal system like Turkey or Saudi Arabia, where court defenders are just puppets of the prosecution. |
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More importantly the Solcitors and Barristers are legally bound to say if they feel they cannot give their client the best possible defence.
I know a barrister who refused to defend rapists cases for this very reason and a solicitor who withdrew from the defence team of a convicted paedophile who had been caught trying to lure two five year old girls into his car. |
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"He should practise anal fingering on himself..... that should keep him busy and take his mind off the filth he spouts."
Wonder how he wipes his arse?
Probably gets one of his extremist gimps to do it for him eh?  R |
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"He should practise anal fingering on himself..... that should keep him busy and take his mind off the filth he spouts.
Wonder how he wipes his arse?
Probably gets one of his extremist gimps to do it for him ehNo ? R"
no that's jane's job send the ...... To live next door to her that should punish the fucker |
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"He should practise anal fingering on himself..... that should keep him busy and take his mind off the filth he spouts.
Wonder how he wipes his arse?
Probably gets one of his extremist gimps to do it for him ehNo ? R
no that's jane's job send the ...... To live next door to her that should punish the fucker"
Lets face it.....even Abu Hamza has too much class to live in Birmingham |
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it has been suggested that i am being sarcastic , so its only fair that i put my cards on the table and elaborate on my veiws regarding muslim extreemists
first of all i find it abhorent if a muslim extreemist condones racial hatred , terrorism , or indeed anything outside the law
i say that because of course we have various "degrees" of exteemism
we have allready two elected MP,s that are pushing for sharia law , and for muslims to be the main or leading religion in the UK , they of course operate well within the perameters of the legal system , and that would be the muslim "extreemist" i would consider supporting
being 58 i can look back over more years than most of you that post on the threads , and i can remember being 25 or even 30 , and in those days i did not know what a muslim was !
and now i find myself living in a comunity where muslims are by far the majority ,i am not talking about luton itself but suburbs like dallow and bury park
as i live in one of those areas it seems quite natuaral to blend in with the comunity and assimilate
i havent allways felt this way but looking at the way things have changed over the last 30 years it seems inevitable that big changes are afoot and it is a good idea to go with the flow
my family in years past were catholic , and by the mere whim of a monarch were overnight changed to being C of E
so if its good enough for a monarch to convert my familys religion on a whim , its good enough for me so i can have a calm peacefull existence
i must reiterate that abu hamza is despicable for spouting the illeagal things he says , but there are the more moderate muslim clerics , elected MP,s , leading figures in the C of E etc that have some interesting things to say , you might find like me that mecca is calling
as regards abu hamza i say once more he has no support from me , but here for those interested is the latest update
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/_iew/161875/HOOK-S-10K-HANDOUT/ |
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