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first motorist convicted of middle lane hogging is fined £940 and has 5 points added to his license. how do you feel about this?
it is an annoying driving habit i'll agree but the breakdown of the fine doesnt make sense to me...£500 fine, £400 costs and £40 victim surcharge....but there wasnt a victim as such so who gets this money? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If it will deter people from driving like brain dead zombies I'm all for it....that is the only excuse I can see for middle lane hogging. Complete lazy driving. |
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usually i am not a fan of the 'revenue raising' arguments for most road traffic offences as we all know the law and those who get fined choose to break it knowingly however, i just cannot see where the victim surcharge comes into it at all! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Extremely excessive in my opinion. I agree it's frustrating, I can't stand it myself, but that is ridiculous! You'd get less for driving without your seatbelt whilst on the phone, eating an apple and drinking a hot cup of coffee!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Extremely excessive in my opinion. I agree it's frustrating, I can't stand it myself, but that is ridiculous! You'd get less for driving without your seatbelt whilst on the phone, eating an apple and drinking a hot cup of coffee!!"
Maybe you should get more for the other offences then |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
I think it should be a case of being pulled over, given a warning which is recorded - and then if you're twat enough to do it again then three points and the usual £60ish fine.
It is dangerous driving.
It encourages undertaking, clogs up motorways leaving only one lane for overtaking instead of two and leaves nowhere for heavy goods vehicle to overtake as they're barred from the fast lane.
It's as bad as excessive speeding.
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
Wakefield |
Good.
It would have been better if he had lost his licence and made to retake his test, perhaps then he would learn how to drive.
That and other similar drivers cost the tax payers millions of pound a year as motorways capable of carrying more traffic are reduced to two or even one lanes. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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The fine seems huge BUT I welcome fines for lane hoggers, it is really annoying when you have a little old man or a woman ( I have never seen a man doing it )going between 50 and 60 in the middle lane when they can pull over  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Good! Poor lane discipline is something that there is no place for.
If you don't know where your vehicle is and where it should be then park it and walk.
Considering that hogging the middle lane is "driving without due care and attention" ( attention being the important part many forget)
The "victim surcharge " has nothing to do with whether there is one or not. It goes into a central fund and is used to pay out for criminal injuries, etc. |
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I'm sure that there will be a few "Headline" cases just to get the point across. After which I'd expect the fines to drop.
I do think that the biggest cause if congestion on our motorways is people driving in the wrong lane. How often do you drive up the road and see that lane one is almost empty, lane two us twice as busy and lane three is full...? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Undertaking " isn't an offence - it doesn't exist as one.
It becomes either "Driving without due care and attention " or "Dangerous Driving " where "it causes another vehicle to change their course and/or speed" |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Should expand the fines to include people who drive about twenty miles plus below the speed limits on any road. It's just as dangerous as speeding and causes people with less patience to take risks and hurt other people whilst doing so. Ironically the bimbler will nimble off oblivious to the carnage in their wake.
All taught to the same standard so if you can't sustain it you should not drive if your actions are dangerous. |
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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago
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I see from the article that the driver failed to show up in court which I've been told compounds the issue. Can't be bothered driving properly, can't be bothered showing up for court, gives the the impression can't be bothered.
The law has been changed for 2 years & this is the first time it's been applied so the driver must've been so it is sending out a big message to other inconsiderate drivers.
On the continent most motorways are usually only two lanes - one for overtaking & mostly that's how's it's used. However in the UK we have multiple lanes yet the amount of times we've all witnessed poor lane discipline must surely frustrate even the most easy going of drivers.
Perhaps this fine will be warning to us all to be more considerate of other road users & stop seeing our vehicles as our personal bubble space & that we own the road. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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About time this happened now we need fines for drivers who change lanes on roundabouts as they straight line taking the shortest route instead of taking the right lane all the way round |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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About bloody time!!!
Many of the tailbacks and jams on our motorways are caused by the failure of a large number of drivers who simply don't know how to drive on Motorways and Dual carriageways - simply because Motorway driving has never been (and shockingly still isn't) covered in the driving test.
Driving back from seeing my kids yesterday I observed several drivers sitting in lane 2 (overtaking only lane of a 2 lane dual carriageway) while lane 1 was empty, and even when there were cars in lane 1, lane 2 wasn't moving any faster.
Lanes 2, 3 and even 4 are there for one purpose only - OVERTAKING.
We need more of this enforcement - but I think what would be particularly helpful is a TV campaign by the Department of Transport aimed at educating the nation on how to use motorways. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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im pleased but do have to say that the pic shown seems to show quite an empty road so others could have overtaken on the outside lane - still makes for an inconsiderate driving offense tho |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Middle lane hogging can be midly irritating but I can't imagine that anyone has ever been killed as a result.
Speeding is a far greater offence in my book. Much more likely to cause death or injury. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"shoot the fuckers i say,, i wish i had some of those james bond style machine guns behind my headlamps.."
Ha ha ha I was just saying at work this morning all cars should be fitted with a gun on the near side so as you overtake you can shut out there rear tyre, bloody lane hoggers forcing you either undertake or try and get all the way across 3 lanes of motorway traffic just for there ignorance |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My question is who is doing it? because anyone you talk to about it doesn't do it apparently and hates it as much as the next man, "
Not me anyway, dont think we have any 3 lane motorways in Scotland. |
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"Extremely excessive in my opinion. I agree it's frustrating, I can't stand it myself, but that is ridiculous! You'd get less for driving without your seatbelt whilst on the phone, eating an apple and drinking a hot cup of coffee!!"
And less for assaulting someone.
Ridiculous. |
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Wonderful news. With the thousands doing it everyday, we should all be seeing lots of motorists stopped for this offence, and not waiting to see published listings.
I'll have a longer period of smiling whilst on the M1 tomorrow. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I agree that middle lane drivers are annoying, but that most people who complain are also the ones who are impatiently driving right up someone's backside at 85mph so they can overtake. Inconsiderate and dangerous driving should be punished, but that would include all bad driving. Middle lane drivers don't cause the most accidents. It's the people who are texting, or those who try overtaking everyone then leave it to the last minute to get across to an exit that are the most dangerous. Middle lane drivers are easyvtargets for those who think they can drive well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The headline is a bit misleading. He didn't get that huge fine for the original offence, he got it by not paying or appearing at court.
I'm sure it's not illegal to undertake on a motorway if you are classed as just travelling at a speed higher than the car in the next lane, that is to say you haven't changed lanes and whizzed past, but your constant speed in the lane you are in just happens to be more than the speed of the car in the next lane. |
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"My question is who is doing it? because anyone you talk to about it doesn't do it apparently and hates it as much as the next man, "
Ask a large number of people how their driving is and they'll largely say 'above average', which is mathematically impossible, of course.
Soon we will be allocated lanes by computers, probably having to pay more to use the outside lanes. |
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"Middle lane hogging can be midly irritating but I can't imagine that anyone has ever been killed as a result.
Speeding is a far greater offence in my book. Much more likely to cause death or injury. "
An elderly relative pfficially had a clean license and no accidents in his history. But accidents happened behind him, leaving chaos and others to bear the cost. It was scary driving in the vehicle, as we could see how he barely looked in his mirror etc, and just cut others up, or hogged lanes. He was no speeder though and it wasn't just his age, it's just that he was incredibly experienced at misusing the road and fortunate that nothing had got him reported and banned. |
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"If you're doing 70 in the middle lane can you be convited of lane hogging because you can't go any faster?"
If you can return to the first lane, then you should. If you don't - then you are lane hogging.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Lets face it, drivers are an easy target to raise money. Its mostly just a scam to bring in money. Case in point the roadworks around Junction 12 on the M6 both north and south. Been there ages, never anyone working on them, just miles and miles of speed camera's targeting speeds over 50mph, just one big scam. It must rake in more money than the toil road just a little further south. One big rip off. Either finish the roadworks or remove the roadworks. |
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"If you're doing 70 in the middle lane can you be convited of lane hogging because you can't go any faster?"
Yes, if you are in lane 2 (or even 3) and there is nothing in lane 1, you are not overtaking and should be in lane 1.
"I'm sure it's not illegal to undertake on a motorway if you are classed as just travelling at a speed higher than the car in the next lane, that is to say you haven't changed lanes and whizzed past, but your constant speed in the lane you are in just happens to be more than the speed of the car in the next lane."
From Highway Code - 268
Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions, you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake. -
This is loose enough for a traffic cop to book you for driving without due care and attention should he be short of hits that day. Generally, I avoid doing so unless everyone is moving slowly and then with great caution, trying to make sure the overtaken vehicle is aware of my presence.
For other roads 163 –
• only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signaling to turn right, and there is room to do so
• stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left.
The specific offence of undertaking (or nearside undertake) was actually removed from the statute books with the introduction of the 1972 Road Traffic Act, and although the Highway Code advises against it, there is no specific law that prevents it.
The reason for this is in part due to the poor lane discipline experienced on Motorways. There are often many oaccisons (which many of you have probably experienced yourself) when lane 3 is stationary but lanes 1 and 2 are clear and so it is often easier to continue in the inside lanes and keep traffic flowing.
On other occasions drivers will catch up a vehicle doing say 50mph but remains in lane 2 whilst lane 1 is empty (late at night for example) and to go from lane 1 acrosss to lane 3 is potentially just as dangerous, whereas remaining in lane 1 allows the vehicle to pass quite safely (I hope I explained that OK?)
However, whilst there is no specific offence of undertaking, we still have careless driving under section 3 of the 1988 Road Traffic Act, and a driver who undertakes dangerously or badly will find themselves before the court for either careless or in the worst cases dangerous (section 2 of the same act)
But, to obtain a conviction, the prosecution has to show that the standard of driving fell well below the standard expected of a reasonably competent driver, and the act of the nearside overtake would not in itself be sufficient to secure a conviction. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Ok having read this and doing lots of miles, it all seems excessive. When they introduced this law, they did say that depending on traffic it would be reasonable to stay in the middle or outside lanes if you were having to overtake a vehicle with the next mile and half. As it was perceived as dangerous to keep switching lanes.
So it's possible they felt they would be needing to overtake. If there was nothing to overtake and the road was clear, then where's the issue? As presumably they won't be holding any one up!
Whilst on the subject, other than lorries and towing vehicles, everyone should be doing 70 on a motorway. Therefore if they are doing 70 in the middle or outside and holding you up ask yourself are you the one in the wrong for speeding?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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How can you be liable to a fine if you are travelling 70 on a motorway? Thats kinda sending out the message that people exceeding the speed limit have more of a right to the lane than you do? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"...everyone should be doing 70 on a motorway. Therefore if they are doing 70 in the middle or outside and holding you up ask yourself are you the one in the wrong for speeding? "
My point exactly. 70 is the fastest you should be travelling. How can there be a law that favours those breaking the speed limit? |
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"Whilst on the subject, other than lorries and towing vehicles, everyone should be doing 70 on a motorway. Therefore if they are doing 70 in the middle or outside and holding you up ask yourself are you the one in the wrong for speeding? "
Everybody SHOULD be doing 70 (except HGV's, articulated vehicles including cars and trailers or Caravans etc) but it is not against the law to drive slower than 70. 70 is the maximum speed limit. What if someone in hogging the middle lane is only doing 50?
"How can you be liable to a fine if you are travelling 70 on a motorway? Thats kinda sending out the message that people exceeding the speed limit have more of a right to the lane than you do?"
No it isn't. It is sending out the message that if you aren't overtaking anything you should be in lane 1.
If everyone on the motorway was travelling at 70mph, there would be no need for any more than 1 lane, but not everyone does, and as I stated above, some vehicles are restricted to lower speeds.
I mostly adhere to the speed limit (Yes, i'll admit that occasionally I might exceed it briefly under certain circumstances) but I also maintain good lane discipline. I stay to the left unless I am overtaking. It's not difficult.
I saw two examples of very, very poor driving on a dual carriageway yesterday.
One was a Red Mercedes 190 (or similar) which came off a slip road, slipped through a gap between two cars on lane 1 and shot straight out to lane 3 - and traffic wasn't what you'd describe as being light. I actually whinced when I saw it. He could have caused a multiple pile up as others very nearly had to take evasive action.
The second was as I approached my exit.
The junction beforehand was of the standard type, whereas my exit was formed from lane 1 (i.e. 3 lane carriageway reducing to 2 at junction)
Surprise surprise the vehicle that could have caused an accident was being driven by someone of senior years.
First mistake was his failure to match his speed to that of the main carriageway and slot in at a safe point - he just pulled out in front of me (me doing 70, him doing considerably less - between 40 and 50) - causing me to have to brake. He then needed to pull into lane 2 to continue past the next junction and so just did so - right in front of another vehicle - causing it to have to brake hard.
And the driver at fault looked completely oblivious.
I must invest in a dash cam! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What about if the inside lane is travelling at 50 and the middle lane is travelling at 60 and you are travelling at 70 in the outside lane. Are you still hogging the lane then if there are cars behind you? Your speed is faster than those of the other two lanes so you are overtaking. |
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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So it's possible they felt they would be needing to overtake. If there was nothing to overtake and the road was clear, then where's the issue? As presumably they won't be holding any one up!
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They are holding people up, because people may well come up behind then, driving correctly in the left-hand lane and be forced to move right out into the right-hand lane to get past them and the back over to the left.
In fact, very often I'm driving at 70mph in the left hand lane, cone upon a slower vehicle and can't get out to overtake because there's a middle lane hogger just plonked there. It can be quite a risky situation and much more than just an irritant.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What about if the inside lane is travelling at 50 and the middle lane is travelling at 60 and you are travelling at 70 in the outside lane. Are you still hogging the lane then if there are cars behind you? Your speed is faster than those of the other two lanes so you are overtaking."
No, because you are overtaking, and driving according to the guidance as set out in the highway code.
Have you not read it? |
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"What about if the inside lane is travelling at 50 and the middle lane is travelling at 60 and you are travelling at 70 in the outside lane. Are you still hogging the lane then if there are cars behind you? Your speed is faster than those of the other two lanes so you are overtaking."
Not hogging - but once you are passed the car/s in the first lane doing 50mph - then you return to the first lane. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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A classic case today...old man sat in the middle lane doing around 55..loads of space on the inside to sit by the lorries who were doing a bit more than him.
I don't believe people should blame the hogger for getting annoyed so much that they take risks because they are impatient though, you can't blame anyone else for your own temper or impatience. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"How can you be liable to a fine if you are travelling 70 on a motorway? Thats kinda sending out the message that people exceeding the speed limit have more of a right to the lane than you do?"
let everyone else break the law then..... if lane one is free you should be in it... not in lane two making a stand! 
i just think it is basically driving without due care and attention... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I should just point out that I hate lane hoggers as much as the next person."
I'm glad you pointed that out, as your posts gave the impression that you were attempting to defend the practice.
I therefore gather that your intention was, in fact, simply to clarify the situation  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It scares me how many drivers in this country have no idea the rules of the road. I drive 3 lane duel carriageways daily and more often than not I see Mr BMW/Merc/VW/4x4 fly across 2 lanes to either sit up the arse of the car in front or poodle around at 50 holding the traffic up (I call it flash car syndrome). Then there are what I consider the most annoying the flat along at 80+ then slam on breaks last minute lastly the muppets who don't know what average speed camera means fly along break at camera fly along break at camera. |
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"About time this happened now we need fines for drivers who change lanes on roundabouts as they straight line taking the shortest route instead of taking the right lane all the way round "
Police drivers do this as well if there's nothing else on the roundabout. |
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"The headline is a bit misleading. He didn't get that huge fine for the original offence, he got it by not paying or appearing at court.
I'm sure it's not illegal to undertake on a motorway if you are classed as just travelling at a speed higher than the car in the next lane, that is to say you haven't changed lanes and whizzed past, but your constant speed in the lane you are in just happens to be more than the speed of the car in the next lane."
That my friend is an offense, driving without due care and attention.
Don't ask me how I know this!!  |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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"Should expand the fines to include people who drive about twenty miles plus below the speed limits on any road. It's just as dangerous as speeding and causes people with less patience to take risks and hurt other people whilst doing so. Ironically the bimbler will nimble off oblivious to the carnage in their wake.
All taught to the same standard so if you can't sustain it you should not drive if your actions are dangerous. "
What a ridiculous statement, perhaps you need to go on a driver awareness course.
There are many reasons why a vehicle should not be driven at maximum allowable speeds.
For example if you are on a motorway driving with a space saver wheel the maximum speed is 50mph that is maximum not average.
Depending on road conditions it is often unsafe to drive at the maximum allowable speed. If you are driving on a bendy road one should drive within visual distance, there could be a pedestrian or animals round the next bend.
Don’t gat me wrong I enjoy driving fast but there is a time and a place.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If it will deter people from driving like brain dead zombies I'm all for it....that is the only excuse I can see for middle lane hogging. Complete lazy driving."
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm only amazed that it appears to be the first prosecution for this offence. May not be, just that it's gained more publicity.
However, here's a thought for those who say lanes 2,3, maybe 4 and 5 are ONLY for overtaking :
When in a "managed" section, with a ridiculous limit of 40, are we all supposed to drive on the left hand lane only as there will not be any overtaking?
And as we should all drive in the left hand lane wherever possible, will all those cunts who think they can join the motorway off of the slip road, the INSTANT they want to, whether it's clear or not, start to get fines for dangerous driving?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Should expand the fines to include people who drive about twenty miles plus below the speed limits on any road. It's just as dangerous as speeding and causes people with less patience to take risks and hurt other people whilst doing so. Ironically the bimbler will nimble off oblivious to the carnage in their wake.
All taught to the same standard so if you can't sustain it you should not drive if your actions are dangerous.
What a ridiculous statement, perhaps you need to go on a driver awareness course.
There are many reasons why a vehicle should not be driven at maximum allowable speeds.
For example if you are on a motorway driving with a space saver wheel the maximum speed is 50mph that is maximum not average.
Depending on road conditions it is often unsafe to drive at the maximum allowable speed. If you are driving on a bendy road one should drive within visual distance, there could be a pedestrian or animals round the next bend.
Don’t gat me wrong I enjoy driving fast but there is a time and a place.
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You refer to exceptional circumstances and that would be correct to drive like that. I'm talking about simple unsafe bimblers who don't drive to the road conditions. Simple bumbling along cutting roundabouts and no signalling while driving at 35 in a 60 causing every stupid driver to take risks by proxy.
As for a driver awareness course what a thing. 0 points on my licence and an advanced motorist. If you can't see the dangers of people driving in such a manner I would recommend yourself taking an awareness course. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Another thought :
To those advocating negotiating roundabouts only in the right lane, how are you ever going to get off the damn things? Wwouldn't you also rapidly cause gridlock?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Extremely excessive in my opinion. I agree it's frustrating, I can't stand it myself, but that is ridiculous! You'd get less for driving without your seatbelt whilst on the phone, eating an apple and drinking a hot cup of coffee!!"
Well lets stop and think for a mo . The middle lane ! Is that lane 2 of a 3 lane carriage way ? If it is , then its the lane that is crossed by if not all road users it most of them . So this must make it the most dangerous lane to be in for to many reasons to list . There isn't a middle lane . There isn't a over taking lane , there is just lanes one , two and three and so on . So the fine reflects how much danger you are putting your self I. And other road users. I believe that the £40 part of the fine is put in a fund to help victims of other R. T .A s . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Extremely excessive in my opinion. I agree it's frustrating, I can't stand it myself, but that is ridiculous! You'd get less for driving without your seatbelt whilst on the phone, eating an apple and drinking a hot cup of coffee!!
Well lets stop and think for a mo . The middle lane ! Is that lane 2 of a 3 lane carriage way ? If it is , then its the lane that is crossed by if not all road users it most of them . So this must make it the most dangerous lane to be in for to many reasons to list . There isn't a middle lane . There isn't a over taking lane , there is just lanes one , two and three and so on . So the fine reflects how much danger you are putting your self I. And other road users. I believe that the £40 part of the fine is put in a fund to help victims of other R. T .A s . "
All lanes except lane 1 are overtaking lanes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I should just point out that I hate lane hoggers as much as the next person.
I'm glad you pointed that out, as your posts gave the impression that you were attempting to defend the practice.
I therefore gather that your intention was, in fact, simply to clarify the situation "
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i dont like lane hoggers but do move over at the slip rd for coming onto the motorway sort of bad habit from driving wagons
the fine is excessive in my eyes and I find the points highly wrong as you can get much less with other fines |
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I think everyone should take a theory test every 10 years.
I still have it all fresh in my mind, as I haven't been driving many years.
So many lack basic highway code knowledge on these type of threads, it's unreal.  |
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over a year ago
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"i dont like lane hoggers but do move over at the slip rd for coming onto the motorway sort of bad habit from driving wagons "
If it's clear to do so then I can't see moving over at a slip road as a bad habit I try to do the same |
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over a year ago
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I'm only amazed that it appears to be the first prosecution for this offence. May not be, just that it's gained more publicity.
However, here's a thought for those who say lanes 2,3, maybe 4 and 5 are ONLY for overtaking :
When in a "managed" section, with a ridiculous limit of 40, are we all supposed to drive on the left hand lane only as there will not be any overtaking?
And as we should all drive in the left hand lane wherever possible, will all those cunts who think they can join the motorway off of the slip road, the INSTANT they want to, whether it's clear or not, start to get fines for dangerous driving?
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""Undertaking " isn't an offence - it doesn't exist as one.
It becomes either "Driving without due care and attention " or "Dangerous Driving " where "it causes another vehicle to change their course and/or speed""
purposely changing lanes to undertake falls under the offence of dangerous driving whether or not you cause another vehicle to change course/speed, however if your lane just happens to be travelling slightly faster than the other so undertaking occurs, is not an offence. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Extremely excessive in my opinion. I agree it's frustrating, I can't stand it myself, but that is ridiculous! You'd get less for driving without your seatbelt whilst on the phone, eating an apple and drinking a hot cup of coffee!!"
Not really, this would be prosecuted under driving without due care and attention, so could get 3 to 9 points, up to 5K fine and a discretionary ban. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"I think it should be a case of being pulled over, given a warning which is recorded - and then if you're twat enough to do it again then three points and the usual £60ish fine.
It is dangerous driving.
It encourages undertaking, clogs up motorways leaving only one lane for overtaking instead of two and leaves nowhere for heavy goods vehicle to overtake as they're barred from the fast lane.
It's as bad as excessive speeding.
A"
If it was prosecuted under dangerous driving, it's a min 1 year ban, compulsory retest, unlimited fine, 3 to 11 points, and up to 2 years in prison.
If it was classed as speeding, then it's up to 6 points, a discretionary ban, can be up to 2.5K fine. If it was a ' minor speeding offence' and not excessive speeding, a fixed penalty is 3 points and £100 fine. |
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"Extremely excessive in my opinion. I agree it's frustrating, I can't stand it myself, but that is ridiculous! You'd get less for driving without your seatbelt whilst on the phone, eating an apple and drinking a hot cup of coffee!!
Well lets stop and think for a mo . The middle lane ! Is that lane 2 of a 3 lane carriage way ? If it is , then its the lane that is crossed by if not all road users it most of them . So this must make it the most dangerous lane to be in for to many reasons to list . There isn't a middle lane . There isn't a over taking lane , there is just lanes one , two and three and so on . So the fine reflects how much danger you are putting your self I. And other road users. I believe that the £40 part of the fine is put in a fund to help victims of other R. T .A s .
All lanes except lane 1 are overtaking lanes."
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over a year ago
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Way over the top especially the 5 points added to the license and what are they going to do about those who hog the fast lane and tank it down the motorway at 90 miles ph? What about those sat on the slip road texting? |
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"A classic case today...old man sat in the middle lane doing around 55..loads of space on the inside to sit by the lorries who were doing a bit more than him.
I don't believe people should blame the hogger for getting annoyed so much that they take risks because they are impatient though, you can't blame anyone else for your own temper or impatience."
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I always use the middle lane (at the speed limit) and then overtake in the fast lane where needed . Staying in the fast lane is worse surely cuz then no-one can get past you... |
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"I always use the middle lane (at the speed limit) and then overtake in the fast lane where needed . Staying in the fast lane is worse surely cuz then no-one can get past you..."
So what your saying here is that you're a middle lane hogger?
Can't wait to hear how much your fine will be! |
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There is NO such thing as a fast lane, motorways have 3 lanes, 2 for overtaking and one for normal driving.
Anyone that thinks differently needs to re take their driving test.
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"Way over the top especially the 5 points added to the license and what are they going to do about those who hog the fast lane and tank it down the motorway at 90 miles ph? What about those sat on the slip road texting?"
Not over the top. He should have settled earlier or at least turned up to court.
If they carry on ignoring the law they will end up in jail.
Think about the naked rambler. Minor offense compounded by repeatedly ignoring the law. Ends up in jail.
This person has had several opportunitties to end this earlier. |
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"There is NO such thing as a fast lane, motorways have 3 lanes, 2 for overtaking and one for normal driving.
Anyone that thinks differently needs to re take their driving test.
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That's questionable because every time I'm on a 3 lane the 1st lane has always been the slow lane so find having to use the middle lane just to keep at the speed limit so makes sense just to stay in it. People want to get past they have the option of using the third lane. |
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"...everyone should be doing 70 on a motorway. Therefore if they are doing 70 in the middle or outside and holding you up ask yourself are you the one in the wrong for speeding?
My point exactly. 70 is the fastest you should be travelling. How can there be a law that favours those breaking the speed limit?"
You are a lane hogger AICMFP
It's not about speed, it's about lane discipline. |
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"There is NO such thing as a fast lane, motorways have 3 lanes, 2 for overtaking and one for normal driving.
Anyone that thinks differently needs to re take their driving test.
That's questionable because every time I'm on a 3 lane the 1st lane has always been the slow lane so find having to use the middle lane just to keep at the speed limit so makes sense just to stay in it. People want to get past they have the option of using the third lane."
Just because slower moving vehicles (like LGVs) are in lane 1 does not make it a 'slow lane'. Everybody should be using it unless they are overtaking. It just takes a bit of discipline to change lanes more often.
People that linger in lane 2 (and lane 3 on 4 lane carriageways) for no good reason force traffic over to the right until the traffic density causes congestion. |
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"There is NO such thing as a fast lane, motorways have 3 lanes, 2 for overtaking and one for normal driving.
Anyone that thinks differently needs to re take their driving test.
That's questionable because every time I'm on a 3 lane the 1st lane has always been the slow lane so find having to use the middle lane just to keep at the speed limit so makes sense just to stay in it. People want to get past they have the option of using the third lane.Just because slower moving vehicles (like LGVs) are in lane 1 does not make it a 'slow lane'. Everybody should be using it unless they are overtaking. It just takes a bit of discipline to change lanes more often.
People that linger in lane 2 (and lane 3 on 4 lane carriageways) for no good reason force traffic over to the right until the traffic density causes congestion."
Any and every car uses the 1st lane. I use it if there is a clear gap ahead (which is not often these days) but if I can see that I'm catching them up when at speed limit, I'll stay put. There's changing lanes and changing lanes all the time to the point it feels safer to stay in the lane you're in. |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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You refer to exceptional circumstances and that would be correct to drive like that. I'm talking about simple unsafe bimblers who don't drive to the road conditions. Simple bumbling along cutting roundabouts and no signalling while driving at 35 in a 60 causing every stupid driver to take risks by proxy.
As for a driver awareness course what a thing. 0 points on my licence and an advanced motorist. If you can't see the dangers of people driving in such a manner I would recommend yourself taking an awareness course. "
Sorry quoted the wrong post.
First prehaps I should reveal I teach advanced driving.
You are now changing your original post condemning those who drive at 20 mph less than the speed limit to those who do not signal before manoeuvring etc.
You say if you’re catching them up you will stay in lane but if they are checking their mirrors because they need to pull into the next lane for some reason your refusal to move into the nearside lane could force them to reduce speed.
Therefore you are driving without consideration to other drivers (Section 3ZA(4) of the RTA 1988).
In other words you are breaking the law, perhaps you need to reassess your driving habits
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You refer to exceptional circumstances and that would be correct to drive like that. I'm talking about simple unsafe bimblers who don't drive to the road conditions. Simple bumbling along cutting roundabouts and no signalling while driving at 35 in a 60 causing every stupid driver to take risks by proxy.
As for a driver awareness course what a thing. 0 points on my licence and an advanced motorist. If you can't see the dangers of people driving in such a manner I would recommend yourself taking an awareness course.
Sorry quoted the wrong post.
First prehaps I should reveal I teach advanced driving.
You are now changing your original post condemning those who drive at 20 mph less than the speed limit to those who do not signal before manoeuvring etc.
You say if you’re catching them up you will stay in lane but if they are checking their mirrors because they need to pull into the next lane for some reason your refusal to move into the nearside lane could force them to reduce speed.
Therefore you are driving without consideration to other drivers (Section 3ZA(4) of the RTA 1988).
In other words you are breaking the law, perhaps you need to reassess your driving habits
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My post was about people who drive like that on any road that bit is pretty clear. I did not mention anything about staying in lane so you made that bit up.
At no point have I said I was refusing to move over so again your making stuff up.
At no point am I driving without consideration to other road users. You also made that bit up.
In other words. Perhaps I'm not breaking the law at all and you need to adjust your reading habits. Perhaps pop your reading glasses on. |
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"I think it should be a case of being pulled over, given a warning which is recorded - and then if you're twat enough to do it again then three points and the usual £60ish fine.
It is dangerous driving.
It encourages undertaking, clogs up motorways leaving only one lane for overtaking instead of two and leaves nowhere for heavy goods vehicle to overtake as they're barred from the fast lane.
It's as bad as excessive speeding.
A"
I totaly agree with what the driver got. Hit them where it hurts & they will not do it again.its just ignorence to sit in middle lane when not overtaking.deserves all they got. |
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"Lets face it, drivers are an easy target to raise money. Its mostly just a scam to bring in money. Case in point the roadworks around Junction 12 on the M6 both north and south. Been there ages, never anyone working on them, just miles and miles of speed camera's targeting speeds over 50mph, just one big scam. It must rake in more money than the toil road just a little further south. One big rip off. Either finish the roadworks or remove the roadworks."
It can hardly be described as a scam if the speed limit signs are clearly visible . It may not be practical to amend the speed limits every time the roadworks are stopped or contractors may be working on certain sections at night . You are losing about six minutes at most on the journey so hardly anything to worry about .
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There is nothing worse than being in either lane 1 and coming up fast to a slow moving vehicle but you can't move over due to a bloody micra driver hogging the middle lane. It equally annoying when in lane 3 and you can't get out someone else's way for same reason. |
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"First prehaps I should reveal I teach advanced driving.
Therefore you are driving without consideration to other drivers (Section 3ZA(4) of the RTA 1988).
In other words you are breaking the law, perhaps you need to reassess your driving habits
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it isnt actually a law its more consideration once overtaken to move back into the left lane after overtaking a vehicle, by the highway code book
also via the highway code book can you state that the fine is within the book if you dont move back into the left lane after overtaking
how many on here was aware of a fine for lane hogging ?
is the fine for using mobile phones within the highway code book other than dont use them
highway code book has changed since many have passed there tests |
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It's good to see nobody on this thread stays in lane 2 or 3 for a second longer than necessary or goes 1mph over the speed limit and keeps a copy of the Highway Code in their bedside drawer
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"It's good to see nobody on this thread stays in lane 2 or 3 for a second longer than necessary or goes 1mph over the speed limit and keeps a copy of the Highway Code in their bedside drawer
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"It's good to see nobody on this thread stays in lane 2 or 3 for a second longer than necessary or goes 1mph over the speed limit and keeps a copy of the Highway Code in their bedside drawer
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I don't drive, so I have a flawless record and can slag you all off |
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over a year ago
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The "victim" could be the hundreds of drivers and goods vehicles delayed by the queue of HGVs that he probably created as they could not pass him.....
Agree with the posters who say he should retake test...or at least do a motorway awareness course etc... |
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"Lets face it, drivers are an easy target to raise money. Its mostly just a scam to bring in money. Case in point the roadworks around Junction 12 on the M6 both north and south. Been there ages, never anyone working on them, just miles and miles of speed camera's targeting speeds over 50mph, just one big scam. It must rake in more money than the toil road just a little further south. One big rip off. Either finish the roadworks or remove the roadworks. It can hardly be described as a scam if the speed limit signs are clearly visible . It may not be practical to amend the speed limits every time the roadworks are stopped or contractors may be working on certain sections at night . You are losing about six minutes at most on the journey so hardly anything to worry about . "
You don't use that section of motorway do you! Its about ten miles of roadworks going north, maybe more going south. I use it a lot and at all hours and NEVER see any work being done on it. As for having nothing to worry about, well you have to worry about traversing through roadworks with traffic and cones and concrete barriers all around you and keep to 50mph. I bet more accidents are caused by drivers having to take their eyes off whats happening around them to keep looking at their speedo than are caused by speeding. It' a scam, a toll road imposed on drivers that must rake in thousands and they aren't in any rush to finish them and lose that income. |
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"It's good to see nobody on this thread stays in lane 2 or 3 for a second longer than necessary or goes 1mph over the speed limit and keeps a copy of the Highway Code in their bedside drawer
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It's not a VERY erotic read to keep by your bed. Quite hard to knock one out to that. It needs more nudity in it. |
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By *avebi48Man
over a year ago
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"Lets face it, drivers are an easy target to raise money. Its mostly just a scam to bring in money. Case in point the roadworks around Junction 12 on the M6 both north and south. Been there ages, never anyone working on them, just miles and miles of speed camera's targeting speeds over 50mph, just one big scam. It must rake in more money than the toil road just a little further south. One big rip off. Either finish the roadworks or remove the roadworks. It can hardly be described as a scam if the speed limit signs are clearly visible . It may not be practical to amend the speed limits every time the roadworks are stopped or contractors may be working on certain sections at night . You are losing about six minutes at most on the journey so hardly anything to worry about .
You don't use that section of motorway do you! Its about ten miles of roadworks going north, maybe more going south. I use it a lot and at all hours and NEVER see any work being done on it. As for having nothing to worry about, well you have to worry about traversing through roadworks with traffic and cones and concrete barriers all around you and keep to 50mph. I bet more accidents are caused by drivers having to take their eyes off whats happening around them to keep looking at their speedo than are caused by speeding. It' a scam, a toll road imposed on drivers that must rake in thousands and they aren't in any rush to finish them and lose that income."
I think that about all the average speed sections that are appearing lately. Sure they need to slow traffic because the road gets congested but the road planners clearly have blinkers on and don't consider the other impact. I see far more weaving and other examples of poor driving because most are watching the speedo and not to road ahead or around them.
Same can be said of people who don't read the road ahead and end up slamming on the brakes because they hadn't noticed the long line of slower traffic they were catching. Sure that traffic should have moved a lane left to clear the road, often they can't because of the middle lane cruisers.
While the headline amount seems harsh, its down to the driver not paying and then not appearing in court, same procedure for most fines. This one may start to encourage folk to behave more considerately and move back to the left which will effectively increase dual carriageway capacity overnight since almost 1/3 is currently lost through bad driving practise.
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"First prehaps I should reveal I teach advanced driving.
Therefore you are driving without consideration to other drivers (Section 3ZA(4) of the RTA 1988).
In other words you are breaking the law, perhaps you need to reassess your driving habits
it isnt actually a law its more consideration once overtaken to move back into the left lane after overtaking a vehicle, by the highway code book
also via the highway code book can you state that the fine is within the book if you dont move back into the left lane after overtaking
how many on here was aware of a fine for lane hogging ?
is the fine for using mobile phones within the highway code book other than dont use them
highway code book has changed since many have passed there tests "
There is no offence of 'lane hogging'. However, there IS an offence of driving without due care and attention. |
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Having lived out in the US for a few years, I prefer their Freeways where you can undertake as well as overtake. Lets face it... the only reason why people get upset by those sitting in the middle lane is because they jam up the fast lane with people having to overtake them. In the US traffic just weaves its way either side of them. The british system of having to lane change all the time and aggressive drivers coming up behind you thinking they need to teach you a lesson for being in the "wrong lane" is retarded and unsafe imo.
Slow lane, medium lane, and fast lane works so much better as a concept and, most of the time, its how the motorways work until some twat thinks you should pull into the slow lane to make way for him when the fast lane's perfectly clear and that's where he/she belongs. When people stay to their lanes and keep their respective speeds everything works totally smoothly.. fast in fast, medium in medim, and slow in slow... it's when a slowy decides to hog the medium or a fasty decides everyone needs to get out of his/her way that things break down.
Of course everything I've written above is wrong because that's not UK law. Instead, as we're all well aware, its all about lane changing and overtaking and beeping people who fail to zigzag back and out between each and every slow moving vehicle. That's the law... but it's completely retarded. Give me Freeways... with no rules...any day. Just works sooo much better imo. Our system is just another example of the nanny state |
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Driving in LA on the 5 lane freeways with traffic going past on both sides is certainly an experience. The English driver faces the risk of falling foul to so many petty rules that carry hefty out of proportionate penalties every time they get into their car. The signs and camera's and warnings along the M6 prove that the state is waging a war on motorists and their hard earned cash is what they are after. Humans are not robots, they make mistakes and the people in charge of the speed camera's know that and feed off that fact. How many jouneys that involved someone getting flashed by a speed camera also included an accident? Probably not one. |
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"Driving in LA on the 5 lane freeways with traffic going past on both sides is certainly an experience. The English driver faces the risk of falling foul to so many petty rules that carry hefty out of proportionate penalties every time they get into their car. The signs and camera's and warnings along the M6 prove that the state is waging a war on motorists and their hard earned cash is what they are after. Humans are not robots, they make mistakes and the people in charge of the speed camera's know that and feed off that fact. How many jouneys that involved someone getting flashed by a speed camera also included an accident? Probably not one."
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"There is NO such thing as a fast lane, motorways have 3 lanes, 2 for overtaking and one for normal driving.
Anyone that thinks differently needs to re take their driving test.
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You refer to exceptional circumstances and that would be correct to drive like that. I'm talking about simple unsafe bimblers who don't drive to the road conditions. Simple bumbling along cutting roundabouts and no signalling while driving at 35 in a 60 causing every stupid driver to take risks by proxy.
As for a driver awareness course what a thing. 0 points on my licence and an advanced motorist. If you can't see the dangers of people driving in such a manner I would recommend yourself taking an awareness course.
Sorry quoted the wrong post.
First prehaps I should reveal I teach advanced driving.
You are now changing your original post condemning those who drive at 20 mph less than the speed limit to those who do not signal before manoeuvring etc.
You say if you’re catching them up you will stay in lane but if they are checking their mirrors because they need to pull into the next lane for some reason your refusal to move into the nearside lane could force them to reduce speed.
Therefore you are driving without consideration to other drivers (Section 3ZA(4) of the RTA 1988).
In other words you are breaking the law, perhaps you need to reassess your driving habits
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As a fellow Advanced Motorist, I agree wholeheartedly |
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You refer to exceptional circumstances and that would be correct to drive like that. I'm talking about simple unsafe bimblers who don't drive to the road conditions. Simple bumbling along cutting roundabouts and no signalling while driving at 35 in a 60 causing every stupid driver to take risks by proxy.
As for a driver awareness course what a thing. 0 points on my licence and an advanced motorist. If you can't see the dangers of people driving in such a manner I would recommend yourself taking an awareness course.
Sorry quoted the wrong post.
First prehaps I should reveal I teach advanced driving.
You are now changing your original post condemning those who drive at 20 mph less than the speed limit to those who do not signal before manoeuvring etc.
You say if you’re catching them up you will stay in lane but if they are checking their mirrors because they need to pull into the next lane for some reason your refusal to move into the nearside lane could force them to reduce speed.
Therefore you are driving without consideration to other drivers (Section 3ZA(4) of the RTA 1988).
In other words you are breaking the law, perhaps you need to reassess your driving habits
As a fellow Advanced Motorist, I agree wholeheartedly"
Would you agree if you read the posts further up? Where the above scenario came out of nothing to do with our posts? |
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"how many on here was aware of a fine for lane hogging ?"
It was announced some time ago
"is the fine for using mobile phones within the highway code book other than dont use them "
It has been a specifically defined offence to use a hand held phone behind the wheel since October 2003.
The Highway code is not law. What it is though, is a drivers 'guide' to the Road Traffic Act - which IS law.
The Road traffic act is amended and updated from time to time and ALL road users should ensure that they keep up to date with any changes that come into effect.
As an arresting officer will tell you 'ignorance is not a defence'
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"It's good to see nobody on this thread stays in lane 2 or 3 for a second longer than necessary or goes 1mph over the speed limit and keeps a copy of the Highway Code in their bedside drawer
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Personally, I use 'Roadcraft' - The Police Drivers handbook. |
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"Driving in LA on the 5 lane freeways with traffic going past on both sides is certainly an experience. The English driver faces the risk of falling foul to so many petty rules that carry hefty out of proportionate penalties every time they get into their car. The signs and camera's and warnings along the M6 prove that the state is waging a war on motorists and their hard earned cash is what they are after. Humans are not robots, they make mistakes and the people in charge of the speed camera's know that and feed off that fact. How many jouneys that involved someone getting flashed by a speed camera also included an accident? Probably not one."
You genuinely think that no driver flashed for speeding has ever gone on to crash? Not one? Ever?
There is no war against the motorist. Yes people can make mistakes but they can also make sure they don't do anything that will require them to pay a fine. No motorist HAS to pay anything apart from vehicle emission duty if their car has to pay it, and petrol. Anything else they end up paying is their own fucking stupid fault, and if that puts more money in the public coffers then I'm all for that. |
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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"There is nothing worse than being in either lane 1 and coming up fast to a slow moving vehicle but you can't move over due to a bloody micra driver hogging the middle lane. It equally annoying when in lane 3 and you can't get out someone else's way for same reason. "
This.
That's when it stops being an irritation and a genuine problem. |
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"http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/motorist-becomes-first-convicted-of-hogging-motorway-middle-lane/ar-AAbV01T?ocid=UP93DHP
first motorist convicted of middle lane hogging is fined £940 and has 5 points added to his license. how do you feel about this?
it is an annoying driving habit i'll agree but the breakdown of the fine doesnt make sense to me...£500 fine, £400 costs and £40 victim surcharge....but there wasnt a victim as such so who gets this money?"
The victim surcharge goes into a big pot to provide compensation to victims of crime. £40 is the standard fee now - it was £15 then increased to £30 |
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over a year ago
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As for having nothing to worry about, well you have to worry about traversing through roadworks with traffic and cones and concrete barriers all around you and keep to 50mph. I bet more accidents are caused by drivers having to take their eyes off whats happening around them to keep looking at their speedo than are caused by speeding. It' a scam, a toll road imposed on drivers that must rake in thousands and they aren't in any rush to finish them and lose that income."
You obviously do not know the reason that 50 was chosen as a maximum speed in roadworks.
It was chosen for a number of reasons one of which was to allow vehicles accessing the site to do so safely without the closing speed of vehicles behind them being too fast.
It was also chosen to allow heavier vehicles the chance to accelerate again if slowed by the above.
A third reason was many categories of vehicles are limited to a maximum of 60 mph, by choosing a lower speed there should be few numbers of vehicles closing on those in the front of them.
Unfortunately there are always the few drivers who have no consideration to others and insist on driving as fast as they think they can get away with.
All for a few minutes journey time |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"There is NO such thing as a fast lane, motorways have 3 lanes, 2 for overtaking and one for normal driving.
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Maybe people just mean the faster lanes, as in you go faster in those lanes when overtaking, unless of course you are a middle lane hogger going 55...ooo full circle. |
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Just as bad as someone hogging the middle lane whilst doing 50mph is when you get two lorries forever overtaking each other... pulling out and trying to overtake for a while... then giving up. The fact that this activity is legal (because they're overtaking) shows that the law is wrong. Lanes shouldn't be about overtaking. They should be about speed. If you can't drive at a certain speed, then you shouldn't be in a faster lane... and that includes lorries who should just stick to the slow lane imo I know, I know... there's no such thing as slow lanes and fast lanes... but I'm just saying there should be as it works better that way. |
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I think the the truth is we are all guilty of a driving offence be it lane hogging, speeding or driving while not paying attention.
But fines are there as a warning to all, some may seem unfair and unjustified but they are there for a reason. |
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"Just as bad as someone hogging the middle lane whilst doing 50mph is when you get two lorries forever overtaking each other... pulling out and trying to overtake for a while... then giving up. The fact that this activity is legal (because they're overtaking) shows that the law is wrong. Lanes shouldn't be about overtaking. They should be about speed. If you can't drive at a certain speed, then you shouldn't be in a faster lane... and that includes lorries who should just stick to the slow lane imo I know, I know... there's no such thing as slow lanes and fast lanes... but I'm just saying there should be as it works better that way."
There's also such thing as wind resistance, a lorry driving behind another lorry has little to no wind resistance and picks up speed quickly as soon as it try's to pull out it hits a massive resistance.
What your suggesting wouldn't work in this country due to the roads being bad enough without people over and undertaking all over the place.
Just last week I had a bmw driver inches from my bumper on the m40 and I struggled to move as I had a slow middle lane hogger next to me. Now imagine if said bmw driver undertook both me and the slow driver that would have been 2 lanes of traffic. He did end up doing it a mile in down the road and nearly caused a pile up. |
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"Just as bad as someone hogging the middle lane whilst doing 50mph is when you get two lorries forever overtaking each other... pulling out and trying to overtake for a while... then giving up. The fact that this activity is legal (because they're overtaking) shows that the law is wrong. Lanes shouldn't be about overtaking. They should be about speed. If you can't drive at a certain speed, then you shouldn't be in a faster lane... and that includes lorries who should just stick to the slow lane imo I know, I know... there's no such thing as slow lanes and fast lanes... but I'm just saying there should be as it works better that way.
There's also such thing as wind resistance, a lorry driving behind another lorry has little to no wind resistance and picks up speed quickly as soon as it try's to pull out it hits a massive resistance.
What your suggesting wouldn't work in this country due to the roads being bad enough without people over and undertaking all over the place.
Just last week I had a bmw driver inches from my bumper on the m40 and I struggled to move as I had a slow middle lane hogger next to me. Now imagine if said bmw driver undertook both me and the slow driver that would have been 2 lanes of traffic. He did end up doing it a mile in down the road and nearly caused a pile up. "
I'm sure I did say something much earlier on in this thread about keeping other cars out of the German lane |
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I'm sure I did say something much earlier on in this thread about keeping other cars out of the German lane
ok, just so long as they stay out of the italian lane when we approach then "
Italian lane? That would be the same as the breakdown/hard shoulder lane??
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Hahahhahah the German lane
Speaking of which my new business is flourishing.
Selling indicators to German cars as after market parts seen as they don't come as standard
Making a fortune ! |
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"Hahahhahah the German lane
Speaking of which my new business is flourishing.
Selling indicators to German cars as after market parts seen as they don't come as standard
Making a fortune !"
Speaking of that, I saw a fantastic meme the other day. It said
If you think you're having a bad day, just remember that it's someones job to install the indicator system on BMW's
I think generally though, most of them just run out of blinker fluid |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Just as bad as someone hogging the middle lane whilst doing 50mph is when you get two lorries forever overtaking each other... pulling out and trying to overtake for a while... then giving up. The fact that this activity is legal (because they're overtaking) shows that the law is wrong. Lanes shouldn't be about overtaking. They should be about speed. If you can't drive at a certain speed, then you shouldn't be in a faster lane... and that includes lorries who should just stick to the slow lane imo I know, I know... there's no such thing as slow lanes and fast lanes... but I'm just saying there should be as it works better that way."
I've thought for a long time that lorries should be restricted to the inside lane. And then if they're driving too close to the lorry in front, they should be charged with either dangerous driving or driving without undue care and attention... the same as the middle lane hogger. The distance apart could quite easily be set by changing the length of the lines in the near side of the road, particularly on motorways. This would allow enough braking distance, but also enough room to allow vehicles to enter the motorway. At 60 MPH a 3 second gap amounts to 83 yards (75M). It would also remove the 'wind resistance' argument.
Keeping lorries to the inside lane would also have a positive benefit on road capacity. |
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"Just as bad as someone hogging the middle lane whilst doing 50mph is when you get two lorries forever overtaking each other... pulling out and trying to overtake for a while... then giving up. The fact that this activity is legal (because they're overtaking) shows that the law is wrong. Lanes shouldn't be about overtaking. They should be about speed. If you can't drive at a certain speed, then you shouldn't be in a faster lane... and that includes lorries who should just stick to the slow lane imo I know, I know... there's no such thing as slow lanes and fast lanes... but I'm just saying there should be as it works better that way.
I've thought for a long time that lorries should be restricted to the inside lane. And then if they're driving too close to the lorry in front, they should be charged with either dangerous driving or driving without undue care and attention... the same as the middle lane hogger. The distance apart could quite easily be set by changing the length of the lines in the near side of the road, particularly on motorways. This would allow enough braking distance, but also enough room to allow vehicles to enter the motorway. At 60 MPH a 3 second gap amounts to 83 yards (75M). It would also remove the 'wind resistance' argument.
Keeping lorries to the inside lane would also have a positive benefit on road capacity."
What are the lorries supposed to do when they encounter the ever growing fleet of drivers who tootle along at 50mph, or the driving glove wearing brigade who are either towing one of those stupid white boxes or dream/think they are.
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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I've thought for a long time that lorries should be restricted to the inside lane. And then if they're driving too close to the lorry in front, they should be charged with either dangerous driving or driving without undue care and attention... the same as the middle lane hogger. The distance apart could quite easily be set by changing the length of the lines in the near side of the road, particularly on motorways. This would allow enough braking distance, but also enough room to allow vehicles to enter the motorway. At 60 MPH a 3 second gap amounts to 83 yards (75M). It would also remove the 'wind resistance' argument.
Keeping lorries to the inside lane would also have a positive benefit on road capacity."
I assume you will be happy when the cost of everything you buy suddenly shoots up by 50% because of transport costs.
The speed limit for heavies is 60 mph on the motorway but many companies to avoid speeding fines and restrictions to their O licences set the speed limiters to 56 mph. This means that some lorries have a couple of mph speed advantage over others but you only have to hit an incline either up or down for that advantage to be wiped out.
This means that a lorry could be catching another lorry at a reasonable speed but during the overtake the road conditions change and the advantage is lost.
Perhaps the real solution is to stop cars driving on the motorways and leave the motorways for freight traffic and high occupancy vehicles such as coaches.
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"Just as bad as someone hogging the middle lane whilst doing 50mph is when you get two lorries forever overtaking each other... pulling out and trying to overtake for a while... then giving up. The fact that this activity is legal (because they're overtaking) shows that the law is wrong. Lanes shouldn't be about overtaking. They should be about speed. If you can't drive at a certain speed, then you shouldn't be in a faster lane... and that includes lorries who should just stick to the slow lane imo I know, I know... there's no such thing as slow lanes and fast lanes... but I'm just saying there should be as it works better that way.
I've thought for a long time that lorries should be restricted to the inside lane. And then if they're driving too close to the lorry in front, they should be charged with either dangerous driving or driving without undue care and attention... the same as the middle lane hogger. The distance apart could quite easily be set by changing the length of the lines in the near side of the road, particularly on motorways. This would allow enough braking distance, but also enough room to allow vehicles to enter the motorway. At 60 MPH a 3 second gap amounts to 83 yards (75M). It would also remove the 'wind resistance' argument.
Keeping lorries to the inside lane would also have a positive benefit on road capacity.
What are the lorries supposed to do when they encounter the ever growing fleet of drivers who tootle along at 50mph, or the driving glove wearing brigade who are either towing one of those stupid white boxes or dream/think they are.
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This and effectively would lose a lane as the average speed would be 60 or less. Lorrys are annoying but at least they move over once they overtake and don't just sit in the lane like some car/van drivers, which is the point of the op |
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"Just as bad as someone hogging the middle lane whilst doing 50mph is when you get two lorries forever overtaking each other... pulling out and trying to overtake for a while... then giving up. The fact that this activity is legal (because they're overtaking) shows that the law is wrong. Lanes shouldn't be about overtaking. They should be about speed. If you can't drive at a certain speed, then you shouldn't be in a faster lane... and that includes lorries who should just stick to the slow lane imo I know, I know... there's no such thing as slow lanes and fast lanes... but I'm just saying there should be as it works better that way.
I've thought for a long time that lorries should be restricted to the inside lane. And then if they're driving too close to the lorry in front, they should be charged with either dangerous driving or driving without undue care and attention... the same as the middle lane hogger. The distance apart could quite easily be set by changing the length of the lines in the near side of the road, particularly on motorways. This would allow enough braking distance, but also enough room to allow vehicles to enter the motorway. At 60 MPH a 3 second gap amounts to 83 yards (75M). It would also remove the 'wind resistance' argument.
Keeping lorries to the inside lane would also have a positive benefit on road capacity."
Why should lorries be restricted to the inside lane. They are providing a vital service by delivered the goods which we purchase . Maybe we need to analyse all the journeys made by car drivers and work out if they are all necessary.It would also help if car drivers made the effort to let lorries or coaches pull out when it is necessary to overtake . |
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By *andS66Couple
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I've thought for a long time that lorries should be restricted to the inside lane. And then if they're driving too close to the lorry in front, they should be charged with either dangerous driving or driving without undue care and attention... the same as the middle lane hogger. The distance apart could quite easily be set by changing the length of the lines in the near side of the road, particularly on motorways. This would allow enough braking distance, but also enough room to allow vehicles to enter the motorway. At 60 MPH a 3 second gap amounts to 83 yards (75M). It would also remove the 'wind resistance' argument.
Keeping lorries to the inside lane would also have a positive benefit on road capacity.
I assume you will be happy when the cost of everything you buy suddenly shoots up by 50% because of transport costs.
The speed limit for heavies is 60 mph on the motorway but many companies to avoid speeding fines and restrictions to their O licences set the speed limiters to 56 mph. This means that some lorries have a couple of mph speed advantage over others but you only have to hit an incline either up or down for that advantage to be wiped out.
This means that a lorry could be catching another lorry at a reasonable speed but during the overtake the road conditions change and the advantage is lost.
Perhaps the real solution is to stop cars driving on the motorways and leave the motorways for freight traffic and high occupancy vehicles such as coaches.
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It's actually a legal requirement that speed limiters are set at 56 MPH on HGVs. It has been since 1992, and is an EU directive. So it's not the case that companies 'choose' to do it.
And why on earth would the cost of everything increase by 50%? For the price of goods in the shops to increase by 50% due to increased transport costs, transport costs would have to at least quintuple... so you're saying that restricting HGVs to the inside lane would increase their travel time by a factor of 5... i.e. decrease their average speed from say, 50 MPH down to 10 MPH? |
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By *andS66Couple
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"Just as bad as someone hogging the middle lane whilst doing 50mph is when you get two lorries forever overtaking each other... pulling out and trying to overtake for a while... then giving up. The fact that this activity is legal (because they're overtaking) shows that the law is wrong. Lanes shouldn't be about overtaking. They should be about speed. If you can't drive at a certain speed, then you shouldn't be in a faster lane... and that includes lorries who should just stick to the slow lane imo I know, I know... there's no such thing as slow lanes and fast lanes... but I'm just saying there should be as it works better that way.
I've thought for a long time that lorries should be restricted to the inside lane. And then if they're driving too close to the lorry in front, they should be charged with either dangerous driving or driving without undue care and attention... the same as the middle lane hogger. The distance apart could quite easily be set by changing the length of the lines in the near side of the road, particularly on motorways. This would allow enough braking distance, but also enough room to allow vehicles to enter the motorway. At 60 MPH a 3 second gap amounts to 83 yards (75M). It would also remove the 'wind resistance' argument.
Keeping lorries to the inside lane would also have a positive benefit on road capacity.
What are the lorries supposed to do when they encounter the ever growing fleet of drivers who tootle along at 50mph, or the driving glove wearing brigade who are either towing one of those stupid white boxes or dream/think they are.
This and effectively would lose a lane as the average speed would be 60 or less. Lorrys are annoying but at least they move over once they overtake and don't just sit in the lane like some car/van drivers, which is the point of the op"
Why would it lose a lane? The average speed on the inside lane is already under 60, as lorries are restricted to 56 and generally are in that lane anyway!
The record that I've been behind a lorry in the 2nd lane for is 8 miles.... at which point it then pulled back in behind the lorry it had been trying to overtake. |
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