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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago
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Aslef ( the drivers union) have balloted for strike action on the London underground. 81% took part in the ballot and 97.5% of those that voted were in favour of strike action. The strike is over pay, working conditions and 24 hour running of the underground
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"Aslef ( the drivers union) have balloted for strike action on the London underground. 81% took part in the ballot and 97.5% of those that voted were in favour of strike action. The strike is over pay, working conditions and 24 hour running of the underground
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Huzzah!
(so glad I no longer live in London) |
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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago
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The management haven't agreed terms with the workers yet for 24 hours running but they have announced the commencement date. Not really the best way to operate and does nothing for employer/employee relations
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over a year ago
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"Aslef ( the drivers union) have balloted for strike action on the London underground. 81% took part in the ballot and 97.5% of those that voted were in favour of strike action. The strike is over pay, working conditions and 24 hour running of the underground
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Fairly decisive then. Your issue? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Good to see some folk showing backbone and how the tories with new strike laws are buggered because surpasses even the draconian rules they are to implement.
End of day if folk are prepared to let bosses treat em like crap thats their fault and cannot complain.
I am in no way linked to any union but about time folk said enough is enough the management appear to have misjudged the members what folk tend to do is believe the press and government propaganda about the union leader making the decisions this clearly proves it is the vast majority of the union members ie normal everydsy folk trying to improve their lot. |
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"Supposedly London will have a Labour mayor next year. I wonder if she'll stand up for the workers (who use it to get to work) or the tube drivers?
How long before driverless trains?
Mr ddc
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They already have them on the DLR... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes more strikes, its time to ban them, its just an excuse for a day of work."
Reality check when on strike you do not get paid. Dont let facts get in way of your views eh. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If was not for people making stands over the years for example there would be no paid holidays that most in employment enjoy also the minimum wage would not exist so instead of whinging about folk actually think of what would happen if like some posters do and roll over instead of challenging things. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes more strikes, its time to ban them, its just an excuse for a day of work.
Reality check when on strike you do not get paid. Dont let facts get in way of your views eh."
I know but they do it more for the management, don't think most wanna be on strike tho but got no option. |
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"Aslef ( the drivers union) have balloted for strike action on the London underground. 81% took part in the ballot and 97.5% of those that voted were in favour of strike action. The strike is over pay, working conditions and 24 hour running of the underground
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You need to stop the f fing tube strikes it cost to much to travel as it is for f sake |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Yes more strikes, its time to ban them, its just an excuse for a day of work.
Reality check when on strike you do not get paid. Dont let facts get in way of your views eh.I know but they do it more for the management, don't think most wanna be on strike tho but got no option."
81% took part in the ballot and 97.5% of those that voted were in favour of strike action. The strike is over pay, how many more could be construde as "most " think its pretty definative dont you ? |
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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago
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"Yes more strikes, its time to ban them, its just an excuse for a day of work."
Do you have a job? Does it have responsibilities for people's safety?
Unions are there to safeguard people's rights
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes more strikes, its time to ban them, its just an excuse for a day of work.
Reality check when on strike you do not get paid. Dont let facts get in way of your views eh.I know but they do it more for the management, don't think most wanna be on strike tho but got no option. 81% took part in the ballot and 97.5% of those that voted were in favour of strike action. The strike is over pay, how many more could be construde as "most " think its pretty definative dont you ?"
YEs so the majority wants it and I know hard to say who is the most, but tbh all this strikes makes it more and more London needs driverless trains cos the strikes costs London millions. |
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"Yes more strikes, its time to ban them, its just an excuse for a day of work.
Do you have a job? Does it have responsibilities for people's safety?
Unions are there to safeguard people's rights
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I got a job yes but I don't work in the private sector and no I don't have responsibility over peeps lives, just for the lorries to come and get unloaded. |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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Why did that duplicate? I will try again.
Looks like the tube workers are pricing themselves out of the market as the dockers, miners and car workers did before them.
The technology is there to replace them and it won’t be long before the tube is changed to driverless trains.
What is the betting it is on the cards for crossrail now, with other lines being changed as and when new rolling stock is introduced?
Thameslink (over ground) trains are already scheduled to be driverless with testing in Germany starting next year, although the driver will t first be operating doors and similar passenger duties.
The Victoria Central and Jubliee lines are already automatically driven but with driver supervision, it is just a short hop to make them fully driverless.
The UK is currently trailing behind the likes of the Paris metro.
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"out of interest which lines are going 24hr?
god i'd miss going home from a night out on the nightbus... the kids would miss out on an education!!!!  "
The whole of the Victoria and Jubilee lines will get six trains an hour, as will the majority of the Central (excluding the West Ruislip branch), the Piccadilly (excluding the Rayners Lane/Uxbridge branch), and the Northern lines (excluding the Mill Hill East and Bank branches). The Northern line from Leicester Square to Camden Town will see eight services an hour.
Should be in time for Rugby World Cup in September. |
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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago
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"24 hour society needs a 24 hour tube system.
then pay the going rate for the job..
imposing a change of contract is the type of management style of the 19th century.."
Well  said
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"24 hour society needs a 24 hour tube system.
then pay the going rate for the job..
imposing a change of contract is the type of management style of the 19th century.."
But that's where we are being taken! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This would be the same union that threatens to strike over drivers being fired for disabling safety systems?
and also threatening to strike over drivers being fired for being d*unk?
Given their argument that the reason manned is better than automated is based on safety they do pick some fucked up things to argue about. |
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"This would be the same union that threatens to strike over drivers being fired for disabling safety systems?
and also threatening to strike over drivers being fired for being d*unk?
Given their argument that the reason manned is better than automated is based on safety they do pick some fucked up things to argue about."
Not sure where that information, unions cannot just strike like that anymore. But I'm gonna assume this is from a reliable source.
Just out of interest how would people feel if their companies changed their contracts to the same contracts tfl are imposing on their staff with no extra pay. Would you be happy and willing to work whatever shift you were given or would you be pissed off and argue the fact?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This would be the same union that threatens to strike over drivers being fired for disabling safety systems?
and also threatening to strike over drivers being fired for being d*unk?
Given their argument that the reason manned is better than automated is based on safety they do pick some fucked up things to argue about.
Not sure where that information, unions cannot just strike like that anymore. But I'm gonna assume this is from a reliable source.
Just out of interest how would people feel if their companies changed their contracts to the same contracts tfl are imposing on their staff with no extra pay. Would you be happy and willing to work whatever shift you were given or would you be pissed off and argue the fact??"
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By (user no longer on site)
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Further to my last post, quite often people adopt the I'm alright jack stance, while this might seem so ok you need to think about how people were treated pre and post industrial revolution. Most of our terms and conditions we take for granted ie statutory sick pay. Maternity and paternity leave working hours and annual leave entitlement is because people in unions fought for them.
Sadly some unions have been given a bad name by some tabloid papers and politicians. But largely they have been there to help not only for their members but society as a whole. |
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"Further to my last post, quite often people adopt the I'm alright jack stance, while this might seem so ok you need to think about how people were treated pre and post industrial revolution. Most of our terms and conditions we take for granted ie statutory sick pay. Maternity and paternity leave working hours and annual leave entitlement is because people in unions fought for them.
Sadly some unions have been given a bad name by some tabloid papers and politicians. But largely they have been there to help not only for their members but society as a whole."
Very well put indeed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"24 hour society needs a 24 hour tube system.
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I love the contrast. A couple of years ago i opened a shop in a town called Auchterarder, population of around 3,500. When i opened up, two lovely old ladies came in and told me in no uncertain terms that shops in Auchterarder do not open on a Sunday.
The town worked, very successfully, on a 8/6 basis .
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"Further to my last post, quite often people adopt the I'm alright jack stance, while this might seem so ok you need to think about how people were treated pre and post industrial revolution. Most of our terms and conditions we take for granted ie statutory sick pay. Maternity and paternity leave working hours and annual leave entitlement is because people in unions fought for them.
Sadly some unions have been given a bad name by some tabloid papers and politicians. But largely they have been there to help not only for their members but society as a whole."
The first half is very true, and there are still unions fighting for changes like this. For example the shop-workers union successfully won concessions with Universal Credit through quiet and considered negotiation. However, when a few hundred people cynically try to hold millions to ransom everytime we have a National event, they have to accept the consequences.
I suspect the reputation of the unions has less to do with the newspapers/politicians, but the fact that while we also remember, and are grateful for the 1920s/30s, we also remember the destruction wreaked in the 1970s, and look at how different Germany's manufacturing is as a result of the fact that their unions were never hijacked by the militant left. |
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"This would be the same union that threatens to strike over drivers being fired for disabling safety systems?
and also threatening to strike over drivers being fired for being d*unk?
Given their argument that the reason manned is better than automated is based on safety they do pick some fucked up things to argue about."
To be fair, no it isn't. This is Aslef, the more reasonable one.
However the facts are drivers get around £50k already, and the new contracts will only require them to work 7 nightshifts a year. They agreed to it when they thought they would get double-time, but are unhappy that the finances don't stack-up to support this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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From Freedom of Information request in 2012:
Figures released by Transport for London (TfL), showed that a basic tube drivers’ salary in the capital was £42,424.
According to the statistics, employer pension contributions totalled £13,151 and overtime £1,361.
Drivers can also earn a “customer service bonus” of £250, which is paid to all staff depending on passenger satisfaction levels, and are entitled to free travel, including a spouse or partner, worth more than £4000 a year for an annual zone six season ticket.
The packages were paid before a four-year deal, leading to train drivers increasing their basic pay to £52,000 by 2015. |
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"Further to my last post, quite often people adopt the I'm alright jack stance, while this might seem so ok you need to think about how people were treated pre and post industrial revolution. Most of our terms and conditions we take for granted ie statutory sick pay. Maternity and paternity leave working hours and annual leave entitlement is because people in unions fought for them.
Sadly some unions have been given a bad name by some tabloid papers and politicians. But largely they have been there to help not only for their members but society as a whole.
The first half is very true, and there are still unions fighting for changes like this. For example the shop-workers union successfully won concessions with Universal Credit through quiet and considered negotiation. However, when a few hundred people cynically try to hold millions to ransom everytime we have a National event, they have to accept the consequences.
I suspect the reputation of the unions has less to do with the newspapers/politicians, but the fact that while we also remember, and are grateful for the 1920s/30s, we also remember the destruction wreaked in the 1970s, and look at how different Germany's manufacturing is as a result of the fact that their unions were never hijacked by the militant left."
I see your point, but I disagree the reason people ballet to strike on these days is to force the management to listen, while it is in inconvenience to most some of the blame needs to go to the upper management they allow these things to happen on important days, after all the strikers don't get paid so would sooner keep the wages. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Further to my last post, quite often people adopt the I'm alright jack stance, while this might seem so ok you need to think about how people were treated pre and post industrial revolution. Most of our terms and conditions we take for granted ie statutory sick pay. Maternity and paternity leave working hours and annual leave entitlement is because people in unions fought for them.
Sadly some unions have been given a bad name by some tabloid papers and politicians. But largely they have been there to help not only for their members but society as a whole."
Even Norman Tebbit was a shop steward in his day. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"From Freedom of Information request in 2012:
Figures released by Transport for London (TfL), showed that a basic tube drivers’ salary in the capital was £42,424.
According to the statistics, employer pension contributions totalled £13,151 and overtime £1,361.
Drivers can also earn a “customer service bonus” of £250, which is paid to all staff depending on passenger satisfaction levels, and are entitled to free travel, including a spouse or partner, worth more than £4000 a year for an annual zone six season ticket.
The packages were paid before a four-year deal, leading to train drivers increasing their basic pay to £52,000 by 2015."
and good luck to them thats what comes from sticking together and supporting each other none of the i am all right jack stabbing in the back that goes on in the road haulage industry which is now leading to class one artic work being advertised at minimum wage !
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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago
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The strike is also over changing working conditions and shift patterns. One example would be a member of staff finishing a late shift at 1am and then having to report back for duty at 5am for an early shift. Would any of you really want a train operator working with only four hours rest between shifts? This is one of the changes tube management are trying to impose.
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