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"Yvette Cooper" Should be unelectable due to her total lack of judgement......she married Ed Balls! | |||
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"Yvette Cooper Should be unelectable due to her total lack of judgement......she married Ed Balls!" That's sound decision making for us done. Just you pick for us | |||
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" And what if........... Loads of Tory supporters register as "eligible" and vote for loony left Corbin? Guaranteed to make Labour completely unelectable! " Oh that's a good idea.. £3 well spent | |||
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"Voting is one person one vote.....but!! You do not need to be a Labour Party member. You can register as "eligible" to vote for just £3 Is this fair? And what if........... Loads of Tory supporters register as "eligible" and vote for loony left Corbin? Guaranteed to make Labour completely unelectable! " sounds like a brilliant plan  | |||
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unfortunately labour party as a whole seems well past its sell by date to me,non of the non entitys on offer seem to be able to change that imho | |||
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"i don't think the oppo would be that smart and that calculated .. plus corbyn is the one candidate that wants a yearly election for leader if he wins... so they would need to do it all the time after watching that tonight... i actually signed up to one of the hustings events so i get to hear them talk and ask questions.... you don't have to be a member to go to the hustings... so i hope they are asked really hard questions... before i go to the event i may ask people on here to suggest questions i may ask at the event.... " Q1 How do you feel about being the Leader of the opposition for the next 20 years. Good luck. If Yvette Cooper is the answer i'm gonna be suicidal. | |||
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"Voting is one person one vote.....but!! You do not need to be a Labour Party member. You can register as "eligible" to vote for just £3 Is this fair? And what if........... Loads of Tory supporters register as "eligible" and vote for loony left Corbin? Guaranteed to make Labour completely unelectable! " The Tories may as well save their money. With SNP domination of Scotland, Labour won't get into power anyway | |||
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"Andy Burnham for me . I am a tad vexed that for three quid anyone can have a vote on the leadership. I am a paid up many years served member of the Labour Party. I am a very active member working had at elections , local and national. The party is using our leaders election to pop a fee more pennies in the coffers and adding some more information to our data bases. There is no guarantee that these registered labour supporters , not members will vote labour. Its an internal party matter. This semi populist election stuntnow could backfire on us as much as Ed's stone. My three quids worth . Andy for me , I have met him on many occasions and found him intelligent and open to listen unlike Yvette Cooper I found arrogant when I met her. Liz Kendal has great legs lol. " Don't think Andy Burnham would be popular as leader in Staffordshire, seeing as he was health secretary at the time of the Stafford hospital scandal. His face will forever be associated with the epic failings at Stafford hospital round these parts. | |||
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"i don't think the oppo would be that smart and that calculated .. plus corbyn is the one candidate that wants a yearly election for leader if he wins... so they would need to do it all the time after watching that tonight... i actually signed up to one of the hustings events so i get to hear them talk and ask questions.... you don't have to be a member to go to the hustings... so i hope they are asked really hard questions... before i go to the event i may ask people on here to suggest questions i may ask at the event.... " "If when leader you found yourself in a potion where you had to make a decision and the course of action you believed was best for the country was opposed to the traditional values of the labour party what would you choose to do what was best for the country or what was in line with your parties values" | |||
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"Who cares who's 'leader',last one was anything but unfortunately labour party as a whole seems well past its sell by date to me,non of the non entitys on offer seem to be able to change that imho"The main problem with all the parties is they are judged by the actions of people who are no longer even members 30 or 40 years ago. They could do with restarting afresh. Would be nice to have an election where thatcher or Gordon Brown isn't brought up every 2 seconds | |||
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"i don't think the oppo would be that smart and that calculated .. plus corbyn is the one candidate that wants a yearly election for leader if he wins... so they would need to do it all the time after watching that tonight... i actually signed up to one of the hustings events so i get to hear them talk and ask questions.... you don't have to be a member to go to the hustings... so i hope they are asked really hard questions... before i go to the event i may ask people on here to suggest questions i may ask at the event.... " . I kinda like corbyn and agree with him on alot of stuff, does he realise that organised labour is no longer relevant in a globalised economy? Yeah probably, it's not going to stop him saying it though as he's trying to get elected!. I'd like to ask him what's the future he envisages in 20 years time and how best do we transform our economy and country to benefit from the new technological age! Do we really need roads or trains where we're going! Or is the future in the information highway! Is work only work when your paid or is work bringing up children and looking after your elderly parents?. And more than anything.... How do we best get off our addiction to oil and solve the biggest crises facing humans today, climate change! | |||
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"Who cares who's 'leader',last one was anything but unfortunately labour party as a whole seems well past its sell by date to me,non of the non entitys on offer seem to be able to change that imho
The main problem with all the parties is they are judged by the actions of people who are no longer even members 30 or 40 years ago.
They could do with restarting afresh.
Would be nice to have an election where thatcher or Gordon Brown isn't brought up every 2 seconds"that very true, i noticed virtually every week in office the coalition blamed labour and still do now, but never mention there errors | |||
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"Labour assisted and supported the creation of a murderous Marxist dictatorship that has lasted 35 years in the country of my birth. I do not want to see them making Britain a virtual one party state by allowing the radical left and unions to get Corbyn elected. I paid my 3 quid and I will vote for Cooper or Burnham. I want a strong system where the ruling party cannot just walk roughshod over the opposition - whoever is in power." To which country do you refer? Sorry but most Marxist countries have comitted genocide against the capitalist pigs that previously held down the people. Perhaps you could narrow it down (China, North Korea, Cuba, Most of Eastern Europe etc) | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power." Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need  | |||
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"Voting is one person one vote.....but!! You do not need to be a Labour Party member. You can register as "eligible" to vote for just £3 Is this fair? And what if........... Loads of Tory supporters register as "eligible" and vote for loony left Corbin? Guaranteed to make Labour completely unelectable! " We had the same old shit in the 1980s with the Militant Tendency. Labour had dreadful leaders then too: Kinnock - windbag Foot - brilliant mind, scruffy image I think the current Labour front bench are the weakest I have seen for years. | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power." Yes but they did it with good intentions and principles so that gives them the moral high ground, right? | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need "If you are going to build hospitals at least run them right....Stafford hospital ring any bells and that happened under Labours watch. | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need
If you are going to build hospitals at least run them right....Stafford hospital ring any bells and that happened under Labours watch. "and it continued under the coalition too | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power. Yes but they did it with good intentions and principles so that gives them the moral high ground, right? " . What a load of high brow bollocks. What party EVERY left power in a better position than entering it! Moral high ground, don't make me fucking choke on my lentil soup | |||
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"Labour assisted and supported the creation of a murderous Marxist dictatorship that has lasted 35 years in the country of my birth. I do not want to see them making Britain a virtual one party state by allowing the radical left and unions to get Corbyn elected. I paid my 3 quid and I will vote for Cooper or Burnham. I want a strong system where the ruling party cannot just walk roughshod over the opposition - whoever is in power." . What Marxist state is this! Are you sure your just not taking bollocks and have no idea what Karl marx wrote but you've heard it said before and assume it's a bad thing? | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need
If you are going to build hospitals at least run them right....Stafford hospital ring any bells and that happened under Labours watch. and it continued under the coalition too"Really? I don't recall any patients having to resort to drinking out of dirty flower vases because they needed a drink of water on hospital wards while the coalition government were in power? Also negligence in looking after patients and rushing them through A and E because of Labour party imposed waiting time targets. | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need
If you are going to build hospitals at least run them right....Stafford hospital ring any bells and that happened under Labours watch. and it continued under the coalition too
Really? I don't recall any patients having to resort to drinking out of dirty flower vases because they needed a drink of water on hospital wards while the coalition government were in power? Also negligence in looking after patients and rushing them through A and E because of Labour party imposed waiting time targets. "Try this to help your memory. A nurse was convicted of four counts of ill-treatment and neglect of patients on Beech Ward at Whipps Cross University Hospital in Leytonstone, east London, between February and April 2012. Another, Sharmila Gunda, 36, was found guilty of one count of neglect and one count of assault by beating an elderly patient in her care following a trial in June 2013 | |||
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"I want a Labour party that is an actual alternative to the Tories, not just Tory-lite." Me too. | |||
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" What a load of high brow bollocks. What party EVERY left power in a better position than entering it! Moral high ground, don't make me fucking choke on my lentil soup" Well, logic suggests if the country was in such a good condition, the electorate would keep voting them in... The reality is...we're always discussing the massive mess that needs cleaning up..or that we need just one more term to complete the wonderful clean up operation we've started. It's all just shit. | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need
If you are going to build hospitals at least run them right....Stafford hospital ring any bells and that happened under Labours watch. and it continued under the coalition too
Really? I don't recall any patients having to resort to drinking out of dirty flower vases because they needed a drink of water on hospital wards while the coalition government were in power? Also negligence in looking after patients and rushing them through A and E because of Labour party imposed waiting time targets.
Try this to help your memory. A nurse was convicted of four counts of ill-treatment and neglect of patients on Beech Ward at Whipps Cross University Hospital in Leytonstone, east London, between February and April 2012.
Another, Sharmila Gunda, 36, was found guilty of one count of neglect and one count of assault by beating an elderly patient in her care following a trial in June 2013
"Totally different scenarios there to what was happening on a large scale at stafford hospital where you just posted 2 isolated cases. Mistreatment was intentionl in the ones you quoted where the individual was to blame but what happened at stafford hospital was in part directly due to Labour party policy. | |||
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" Totally different scenarios there to what was happening on a large scale at stafford hospital where you just posted 2 isolated cases. Mistreatment was intentionl in the ones you quoted where the individual was to blame but what happened at stafford hospital was in part directly due to Labour party policy." I'm not privy to the ins and outs so pardon my ignorance but was what happened at Stafford hospital common to other hospitals at the time? It stands to reason that that such malpractice would be quite prevalent given the direct impact of labours policy... Or was what happened at Stafford hospital...an isolated case? | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need
If you are going to build hospitals at least run them right....Stafford hospital ring any bells and that happened under Labours watch. and it continued under the coalition too
Really? I don't recall any patients having to resort to drinking out of dirty flower vases because they needed a drink of water on hospital wards while the coalition government were in power? Also negligence in looking after patients and rushing them through A and E because of Labour party imposed waiting time targets.
Try this to help your memory. A nurse was convicted of four counts of ill-treatment and neglect of patients on Beech Ward at Whipps Cross University Hospital in Leytonstone, east London, between February and April 2012.
Another, Sharmila Gunda, 36, was found guilty of one count of neglect and one count of assault by beating an elderly patient in her care following a trial in June 2013
Totally different scenarios there to what was happening on a large scale at stafford hospital where you just posted 2 isolated cases. Mistreatment was intentionl in the ones you quoted where the individual was to blame but what happened at stafford hospital was in part directly due to Labour party policy."Try this to help your powers of recall about life under the coalition: Police figures reveal a huge rise in the number of sexual abuse reports received from hospital patients, with 1,600 reports between 2011 and 2014. | |||
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" Totally different scenarios there to what was happening on a large scale at stafford hospital where you just posted 2 isolated cases. Mistreatment was intentionl in the ones you quoted where the individual was to blame but what happened at stafford hospital was in part directly due to Labour party policy. I'm not privy to the ins and outs so pardon my ignorance but was what happened at Stafford hospital common to other hospitals at the time? It stands to reason that that such malpractice would be quite prevalent given the direct impact of labours policy... Or was what happened at Stafford hospital...an isolated case? " No not an isolated case as it was reported in the news many other hospitals had serious failings but stafford was perhaps the most extreme example. | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need
If you are going to build hospitals at least run them right....Stafford hospital ring any bells and that happened under Labours watch. and it continued under the coalition too
Really? I don't recall any patients having to resort to drinking out of dirty flower vases because they needed a drink of water on hospital wards while the coalition government were in power? Also negligence in looking after patients and rushing them through A and E because of Labour party imposed waiting time targets.
Try this to help your memory. A nurse was convicted of four counts of ill-treatment and neglect of patients on Beech Ward at Whipps Cross University Hospital in Leytonstone, east London, between February and April 2012.
Another, Sharmila Gunda, 36, was found guilty of one count of neglect and one count of assault by beating an elderly patient in her care following a trial in June 2013
Totally different scenarios there to what was happening on a large scale at stafford hospital where you just posted 2 isolated cases. Mistreatment was intentionl in the ones you quoted where the individual was to blame but what happened at stafford hospital was in part directly due to Labour party policy.
Try this to help your powers of recall about life under the coalition: Police figures reveal a huge rise in the number of sexual abuse reports received from hospital patients, with 1,600 reports between 2011 and 2014."....and your point is? And were these rises in sexual abuse reports due to coalition party policy? | |||
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" I'm not privy to the ins and outs so pardon my ignorance but was what happened at Stafford hospital common to other hospitals at the time? It stands to reason that that such malpractice would be quite prevalent given the direct impact of labours policy... Or was what happened at Stafford hospital...an isolated case? No not an isolated case as it was reported in the news many other hospitals had serious failings but stafford was perhaps the most extreme example. " Cheers. In light of that, my support is leaning towards Mr Corbyn for his anti-cuts platform. | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need
If you are going to build hospitals at least run them right....Stafford hospital ring any bells and that happened under Labours watch. and it continued under the coalition too
Really? I don't recall any patients having to resort to drinking out of dirty flower vases because they needed a drink of water on hospital wards while the coalition government were in power? Also negligence in looking after patients and rushing them through A and E because of Labour party imposed waiting time targets.
Try this to help your memory. A nurse was convicted of four counts of ill-treatment and neglect of patients on Beech Ward at Whipps Cross University Hospital in Leytonstone, east London, between February and April 2012.
Another, Sharmila Gunda, 36, was found guilty of one count of neglect and one count of assault by beating an elderly patient in her care following a trial in June 2013
Totally different scenarios there to what was happening on a large scale at stafford hospital where you just posted 2 isolated cases. Mistreatment was intentionl in the ones you quoted where the individual was to blame but what happened at stafford hospital was in part directly due to Labour party policy.
Try this to help your powers of recall about life under the coalition: Police figures reveal a huge rise in the number of sexual abuse reports received from hospital patients, with 1,600 reports between 2011 and 2014.
....and your point is?
And were these rises in sexual abuse reports due to coalition party policy? "My point is to help your memory which seems to be highly selective. Abuse happens at all times and isn't solely the fault of one party. It certainly didn't disappear after the labour government was thrown out and there are plenty of examples under the coalition government. Other than that, you're the expert on abuse in hospitals, why don't you tell us what caused it under the coalition and in all probability now? It's a little too late to blame the Labour Party for that. | |||
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"so there was no distasters prior to labour being in goverment, you should do your research of when the tories were last in office its not just one party to blame its all of them, cancer first test was upto 6 months under torie goverment, at least labour brought this down to 4 weeks for the initial appointment" Yes Labours policy to get waiting time targets down they rushed people through A and E so quick many were not treated properly and died as a result of their injuries not being treated properly. Who was health secretary at the time, oh yes it was Andy Burnham. | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need
If you are going to build hospitals at least run them right....Stafford hospital ring any bells and that happened under Labours watch. and it continued under the coalition too
Really? I don't recall any patients having to resort to drinking out of dirty flower vases because they needed a drink of water on hospital wards while the coalition government were in power? Also negligence in looking after patients and rushing them through A and E because of Labour party imposed waiting time targets.
Try this to help your memory. A nurse was convicted of four counts of ill-treatment and neglect of patients on Beech Ward at Whipps Cross University Hospital in Leytonstone, east London, between February and April 2012.
Another, Sharmila Gunda, 36, was found guilty of one count of neglect and one count of assault by beating an elderly patient in her care following a trial in June 2013
Totally different scenarios there to what was happening on a large scale at stafford hospital where you just posted 2 isolated cases. Mistreatment was intentionl in the ones you quoted where the individual was to blame but what happened at stafford hospital was in part directly due to Labour party policy.
Try this to help your powers of recall about life under the coalition: Police figures reveal a huge rise in the number of sexual abuse reports received from hospital patients, with 1,600 reports between 2011 and 2014.
....and your point is?
And were these rises in sexual abuse reports due to coalition party policy?
My point is to help your memory which seems to be highly selective. Abuse happens at all times and isn't solely the fault of one party. It certainly didn't disappear after the labour government was thrown out and there are plenty of examples under the coalition government. Other than that, you're the expert on abuse in hospitals, why don't you tell us what caused it under the coalition and in all probability now? It's a little too late to blame the Labour Party for that."Yes I do know quite a bit about the stafford hospital case as I live in the local area and stafford is the nearest main hospital to cannock. | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need
If you are going to build hospitals at least run them right....Stafford hospital ring any bells and that happened under Labours watch. and it continued under the coalition too
Really? I don't recall any patients having to resort to drinking out of dirty flower vases because they needed a drink of water on hospital wards while the coalition government were in power? Also negligence in looking after patients and rushing them through A and E because of Labour party imposed waiting time targets.
Try this to help your memory. A nurse was convicted of four counts of ill-treatment and neglect of patients on Beech Ward at Whipps Cross University Hospital in Leytonstone, east London, between February and April 2012.
Another, Sharmila Gunda, 36, was found guilty of one count of neglect and one count of assault by beating an elderly patient in her care following a trial in June 2013
Totally different scenarios there to what was happening on a large scale at stafford hospital where you just posted 2 isolated cases. Mistreatment was intentionl in the ones you quoted where the individual was to blame but what happened at stafford hospital was in part directly due to Labour party policy.
Try this to help your powers of recall about life under the coalition: Police figures reveal a huge rise in the number of sexual abuse reports received from hospital patients, with 1,600 reports between 2011 and 2014.
....and your point is?
And were these rises in sexual abuse reports due to coalition party policy?
My point is to help your memory which seems to be highly selective. Abuse happens at all times and isn't solely the fault of one party. It certainly didn't disappear after the labour government was thrown out and there are plenty of examples under the coalition government. Other than that, you're the expert on abuse in hospitals, why don't you tell us what caused it under the coalition and in all probability now? It's a little too late to blame the Labour Party for that.
Yes I do know quite a bit about the stafford hospital case as I live in the local area and stafford is the nearest main hospital to cannock. "So what's the explanation for abuse cases under the coalition? There are so many they must be caused by government policy, surely? | |||
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"so there was no distasters prior to labour being in goverment, you should do your research of when the tories were last in office its not just one party to blame its all of them, cancer first test was upto 6 months under torie goverment, at least labour brought this down to 4 weeks for the initial appointment Yes Labours policy to get waiting time targets down they rushed people through A and E so quick many were not treated properly and died as a result of their injuries not being treated properly. Who was health secretary at the time, oh yes it was Andy Burnham. "Were things much better in a&e when they were leaving the patients to die on trolleys in corridors before the doctors could fail to treat them properly? | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need
If you are going to build hospitals at least run them right....Stafford hospital ring any bells and that happened under Labours watch. and it continued under the coalition too
Really? I don't recall any patients having to resort to drinking out of dirty flower vases because they needed a drink of water on hospital wards while the coalition government were in power? Also negligence in looking after patients and rushing them through A and E because of Labour party imposed waiting time targets.
Try this to help your memory. A nurse was convicted of four counts of ill-treatment and neglect of patients on Beech Ward at Whipps Cross University Hospital in Leytonstone, east London, between February and April 2012.
Another, Sharmila Gunda, 36, was found guilty of one count of neglect and one count of assault by beating an elderly patient in her care following a trial in June 2013
Totally different scenarios there to what was happening on a large scale at stafford hospital where you just posted 2 isolated cases. Mistreatment was intentionl in the ones you quoted where the individual was to blame but what happened at stafford hospital was in part directly due to Labour party policy.
Try this to help your powers of recall about life under the coalition: Police figures reveal a huge rise in the number of sexual abuse reports received from hospital patients, with 1,600 reports between 2011 and 2014.
....and your point is?
And were these rises in sexual abuse reports due to coalition party policy?
My point is to help your memory which seems to be highly selective. Abuse happens at all times and isn't solely the fault of one party. It certainly didn't disappear after the labour government was thrown out and there are plenty of examples under the coalition government. Other than that, you're the expert on abuse in hospitals, why don't you tell us what caused it under the coalition and in all probability now? It's a little too late to blame the Labour Party for that.
Yes I do know quite a bit about the stafford hospital case as I live in the local area and stafford is the nearest main hospital to cannock.
So what's the explanation for abuse cases under the coalition? There are so many they must be caused by government policy, surely?"You can't say the isolated cases you quoted were due to coalition party policy? If they were which policy are you relating them to then? I've explained clearly in my posts why the failings at stafford hospital were due in part to Labour party policy. Think you need to go back and read the thread again because your posts are not making much sense and I can't see the point you are trying to make???? | |||
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"so there was no distasters prior to labour being in goverment, you should do your research of when the tories were last in office its not just one party to blame its all of them, cancer first test was upto 6 months under torie goverment, at least labour brought this down to 4 weeks for the initial appointment Yes Labours policy to get waiting time targets down they rushed people through A and E so quick many were not treated properly and died as a result of their injuries not being treated properly. Who was health secretary at the time, oh yes it was Andy Burnham.
Were things much better in a&e when they were leaving the patients to die on trolleys in corridors before the doctors could fail to treat them properly?"oh i forgot its all hunky dorey in the world under a tory goverment | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need
If you are going to build hospitals at least run them right....Stafford hospital ring any bells and that happened under Labours watch. and it continued under the coalition too
Really? I don't recall any patients having to resort to drinking out of dirty flower vases because they needed a drink of water on hospital wards while the coalition government were in power? Also negligence in looking after patients and rushing them through A and E because of Labour party imposed waiting time targets.
Try this to help your memory. A nurse was convicted of four counts of ill-treatment and neglect of patients on Beech Ward at Whipps Cross University Hospital in Leytonstone, east London, between February and April 2012.
Another, Sharmila Gunda, 36, was found guilty of one count of neglect and one count of assault by beating an elderly patient in her care following a trial in June 2013
Totally different scenarios there to what was happening on a large scale at stafford hospital where you just posted 2 isolated cases. Mistreatment was intentionl in the ones you quoted where the individual was to blame but what happened at stafford hospital was in part directly due to Labour party policy.
Try this to help your powers of recall about life under the coalition: Police figures reveal a huge rise in the number of sexual abuse reports received from hospital patients, with 1,600 reports between 2011 and 2014.
....and your point is?
And were these rises in sexual abuse reports due to coalition party policy?
My point is to help your memory which seems to be highly selective. Abuse happens at all times and isn't solely the fault of one party. It certainly didn't disappear after the labour government was thrown out and there are plenty of examples under the coalition government. Other than that, you're the expert on abuse in hospitals, why don't you tell us what caused it under the coalition and in all probability now? It's a little too late to blame the Labour Party for that.
Yes I do know quite a bit about the stafford hospital case as I live in the local area and stafford is the nearest main hospital to cannock.
So what's the explanation for abuse cases under the coalition? There are so many they must be caused by government policy, surely?
You can't say the isolated cases you quoted were due to coalition party policy? If they were which policy are you relating them to then?
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"so there was no distasters prior to labour being in goverment, you should do your research of when the tories were last in office its not just one party to blame its all of them, cancer first test was upto 6 months under torie goverment, at least labour brought this down to 4 weeks for the initial appointment Yes Labours policy to get waiting time targets down they rushed people through A and E so quick many were not treated properly and died as a result of their injuries not being treated properly. Who was health secretary at the time, oh yes it was Andy Burnham.
Were things much better in a&e when they were leaving the patients to die on trolleys in corridors before the doctors could fail to treat them properly?
oh i forgot its all hunky dorey in the world under a tory goverment"Some people forget that in 1997 the nhs waiting list had 1.3 million people on it and people waited years to see a consultant in some cases. Some inconsiderate people even missed their appointments because they'd had the nerve to die before they were offered one. | |||
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/heal-our-hospitals/9782606/Stafford-Hospital-scandal-the-bosses-who-escaped-justice.html" The stafford hospital scandal happened under Labour before the coalition government. So are you saying Labour introduced austerity before the coalition came along? | |||
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"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/heal-our-hospitals/9782606/Stafford-Hospital-scandal-the-bosses-who-escaped-justice.html The stafford hospital scandal happened under Labour before the coalition government. So are you saying Labour introduced austerity before the coalition came along? " Well, according to the media reports, it was repeatedly mentioned that the hospital was severely understaffed. Now, I don't know if that's biased reporting or not designed to apportion some of blame on the government of the time... The management of the hospital were ultimately held responsible though they may argue it was due to being massively under resourced. It does not appear to be a commonly held belief that Gordon Browns government was concerned with cost cutting. In fact he seems to have the reputation for being economically irresponsible. Maybe that's not wholly true? Also, the current government is considered efficient economically speaking despite reports suggesting the national debt has significantly increased under them. According to posters on this thread, public services have been adversely impacted under both regimes...and cuts seem to have been made under both. That leaves me with Corbyn. A voice for an alternative solution. If the conservatives do a great job, they deserve to continue. If they falter, Corbyns labour would be a clear and distinct option for the electorate to consider who may look at Burnham et al as 'labour MPs who have torified themselves just give themselves a chance at power'. | |||
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"Voting is one person one vote.....but!! You do not need to be a Labour Party member. You can register as "eligible" to vote for just £3 Is this fair? And what if........... Loads of Tory supporters register as "eligible" and vote for loony left Corbin? Guaranteed to make Labour completely unelectable! " Absolutely. And why not. Corbyn for Leader and a split within Labour will mean Conservative governments for the next ten years at least | |||
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"Absolutely. And why not. Corbyn for Leader and a split within Labour will mean Conservative governments for the next ten years at least "Irrespective of the leadership debate/vote Labour is on it's knees anyway - a change in direction is a good thing for it. The only thing that can (and will) ruin the Tories grip on power is themselves. | |||
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"Absolutely. And why not. Corbyn for Leader and a split within Labour will mean Conservative governments for the next ten years at least
Irrespective of the leadership debate/vote Labour is on it's knees anyway - a change in direction is a good thing for it. The only thing that can (and will) ruin the Tories grip on power is themselves.
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"Absolutely. And why not. Corbyn for Leader and a split within Labour will mean Conservative governments for the next ten years at least
Irrespective of the leadership debate/vote Labour is on it's knees anyway - a change in direction is a good thing for it. The only thing that can (and will) ruin the Tories grip on power is themselves.
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"They're all totally unelectable and will probably stay that way for the next decade. None of them fit to govern." All 4 candidates have been elected. Have you? | |||
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"It makes me laugh...Tony Blair has come out of the woodwork to say that Corbyn will ruin the Labour Party and make it unelectable...Tony Blair...!!! TONY BLAIR...!!! If he says anything, put your money on the complete opposite happening...our wonderful Middle East Peace Envoy...just look what's going on out there now...!!! I wouldn't put him in charge of a wheelbarrow...he'd probably lose the wheel then swap the frame for some magic beans...!!! Although they're all a bunch of money-grabbing, self-serving wankers, some politicians are just SOOO much worse than others." Yeah what would Tony Blair know about being electable | |||
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"It makes me laugh...Tony Blair has come out of the woodwork to say that Corbyn will ruin the Labour Party and make it unelectable...Tony Blair...!!! TONY BLAIR...!!! If he says anything, put your money on the complete opposite happening...our wonderful Middle East Peace Envoy...just look what's going on out there now...!!! I wouldn't put him in charge of a wheelbarrow...he'd probably lose the wheel then swap the frame for some magic beans...!!! Although they're all a bunch of money-grabbing, self-serving wankers, some politicians are just SOOO much worse than others. Yeah what would Tony Blair know about being electable" Electable maybe when he was trying to get the big job, by people who were just trying to get rid of the previous useless bunch. of course, silly me, he's just such a decent bloke isn't he..!!! Examine the facts...he should be tried as a war criminal...his actions whilst in office as PM have contributed directly to the state of affairs in the Middle-East, the rise of the rogue states and terrorist organisations, and yet we still pay for his protection costs (as an ex-PM) whilst he tours the world making millions by spouting his shit to anyone dumb enough to pay to listen, and he doesn't have the decency to pay for the huge additional cost of it all...let the poor dumb taxpayers take care of it, and 'I'm all right Jack'. Electable in the past perhaps, by a country naive enough to think he was a decent bloke then, but he showed his true colours whilst in office, and even more so afterwards...power-hungry, greedy, self-serving and self-aggrandising are character traits that are just SO appealing aren't they...! | |||
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"It makes me laugh...Tony Blair has come out of the woodwork to say that Corbyn will ruin the Labour Party and make it unelectable...Tony Blair...!!! TONY BLAIR...!!! If he says anything, put your money on the complete opposite happening...our wonderful Middle East Peace Envoy...just look what's going on out there now...!!! I wouldn't put him in charge of a wheelbarrow...he'd probably lose the wheel then swap the frame for some magic beans...!!! Although they're all a bunch of money-grabbing, self-serving wankers, some politicians are just SOOO much worse than others. Yeah what would Tony Blair know about being electable Electable maybe when he was trying to get the big job, by people who were just trying to get rid of the previous useless bunch. of course, silly me, he's just such a decent bloke isn't he..!!! Examine the facts...he should be tried as a war criminal...his actions whilst in office as PM have contributed directly to the state of affairs in the Middle-East, the rise of the rogue states and terrorist organisations, and yet we still pay for his protection costs (as an ex-PM) whilst he tours the world making millions by spouting his shit to anyone dumb enough to pay to listen, and he doesn't have the decency to pay for the huge additional cost of it all...let the poor dumb taxpayers take care of it, and 'I'm all right Jack'. Electable in the past perhaps, by a country naive enough to think he was a decent bloke then, but he showed his true colours whilst in office, and even more so afterwards...power-hungry, greedy, self-serving and self-aggrandising are character traits that are just SO appealing aren't they...!" Yes the majority of the country is naive, so naive they were fooled three times. Thank goodness there are a smart minority who are in the know and can tell us the real story. Wouldn't it be better if we let those smart minority have a dictatorship, since the rest of us sheeple are too dumb to be trusted with democracy. | |||
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"He calls Hamas and Hezbollah his friends and invited them to speak." He invited them to speak alongside Israeli leaders in order to broker peace - this cannot be achieved with bombs, as we saw earlier this year. | |||
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"He calls Hamas and Hezbollah his friends and invited them to speak. He invited them to speak alongside Israeli leaders in order to broker peace - this cannot be achieved with bombs, as we saw earlier this year." I'd beg to differ and offer examples, but would open a whole other can of worms.
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"I admire Jeremy Corbyn for having strong principles and actually sticking to them. He looks like the strongest of the candidates and the likely winner. There are many reasons why I wouldn't vote for him. He calls Hamas and Hezbollah his friends and invited them to speak. He invited Sinn Fein to the houses of parliament when they were still a terrorist group. He is opposed to military action against ISIS. He is hosting/hosted a visit by Moussa Abu Maria, an activist for terror organisation Palestinian Islamic Jihad. The same Moussa Abu Maria who is speaking at an international lobby held by the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign, a group dedicated to the destruction of Israel. He is backed by militant unions like Unite and the RMT. This is not the sort of politician I would vote for. " . I can see why you wouldn't vote for him but politics is meant to be about giving you choice, apple or banana, there quite different Granny smith or Cox! There different but in reality there both apples!. I'm a fan of right wing/left wing politics, one keeps the other in check and balance Now id like to take point with some assertions you made about corbyn. Firstly militant unions!, that's not really his fault as his only job is to deal with the unions, the job of changing the unions is members. Opposed to military action against isis, well yes so am i and so are alot of other people, the middle East is not some defenceless animal, Saudi has the third largest military budget in the world!, Iran, Turkey, Jordan, Syria, Pakistan, there quite capable of doing it for themselves perhaps with un help?. What's wrong with talking to terrorists, I mean that's how we actually made a start in solving northern Ireland... By taking to sinn fein! Any maria is an extremist your right and he does talk about the total destruction of Israel, but have you ever noticed how the Israeli militants who openly talk about the total destruction of the Palestinian people(and there's many of them, some of them are even elected representatives of the Israeli parliament) don't quite make the headlines the same! If ever there was a case for taking to solve the problem, Israel/Palestine is it. Of course there's plenty of partys who like the status quo here and abroad, he may call hammas his friends but then there's an entire lobbying group for Israel inside Westminster already so maybe one would balance out the other! | |||
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"I'd beg to differ and offer examples, but would open a whole other can of worms. "If you mean you differ on 'bombs not achieving peace' then yes, you're right - Nagasaki comes to mind - but that doesn't mean it SHOULD be done. Bombing civilians into submission should not be the answer in this day and age. After the debacle of Blair's illegal wars, we need someone who stands for diplomacy over brute force. | |||
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"Any Tory that participates in this assault on democracy has the morals of a an alley cat and should be tried for treason." Ummm how do we go from democratically elected majority to assault on democracy. You can claim an assist on decency if you want but not sure how you are claiming it's not a democratic assault on decency. | |||
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"Any Tory that participates in this assault on democracy has the morals of a an alley cat and should be tried for treason." I'm no Tory...I don't pledge any allegiance to ANY of the political parties as they're all one as bad as the other. But I DO see the system of government and the politics of it in this country as outdated, ineffective and not democratic in the slightest. Two words - proportional representation...! | |||
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"Any Tory that participates in this assault on democracy has the morals of a an alley cat and should be tried for treason." I'm no Tory...I don't pledge any allegiance to ANY of the political parties as they're all one as bad as the other. But I DO see the system of government and the politics of it in this country as outdated, ineffective and not democratic in the slightest. Two words - proportional representation...! And, in an ideal world, two more - federal system...! | |||
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" And what if........... Loads of Tory supporters register as "eligible" and vote for loony left Corbin? Guaranteed to make Labour completely unelectable! Sounds like £3 well spent to me .
I'll offer you a ten pound bet that the conservatives won't get reelected in 2020 regardless of the opposition!"I already took the bets that we have the Conservatives for the next two elections regardless of who stands in any party. | |||
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" And what if........... Loads of Tory supporters register as "eligible" and vote for loony left Corbin? Guaranteed to make Labour completely unelectable! Sounds like £3 well spent to me .
I'll offer you a ten pound bet that the conservatives won't get reelected in 2020 regardless of the opposition!
I already took the bets that we have the Conservatives for the next two elections regardless of who stands in any party.
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I'll offer you a ten pound bet that the conservatives won't get reelected in 2020 regardless of the opposition!
I already took the bets that we have the Conservatives for the next two elections regardless of who stands in any party.
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'It's the economy stupid' and that statement still stands true.
Now if we know that, what else can we have an educated guess at?
The shit will hit the fan before 2020, in fact I wouldn't rule out next year!"Which shit and which fan? I think the Corbyn effect is simply that people want an opposition. He's as close to a Greek Anti-Austerity party as we're likely to get. The Queen is 90 next year so that will keep us distracted for a while. | |||
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I already took the bets that we have the Conservatives for the next two elections regardless of who stands in any party.
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Yeah I can't see that!
'It's the economy stupid' and that statement still stands true.
Now if we know that, what else can we have an educated guess at?
The shit will hit the fan before 2020, in fact I wouldn't rule out next year!
Which shit and which fan?
I think the Corbyn effect is simply that people want an opposition. He's as close to a Greek Anti-Austerity party as we're likely to get.
The Queen is 90 next year so that will keep us distracted for a while.
".Take your pick! Highest debt in history Highest current account deficit in history Highest stock market price in a very long time the Dow I think might be the highest in history? 0.5% interest rates House price bubble High youth unemployment Record bond issues Record low bond prices Record low bond yields Low global growth And a very dodgy Chinese market! This country lives and dies by two markets, housing and banking! When the bad times come, it won't actually be the Tories fault perse but there'll get the blame just like labour before in 2010 and the Tories before that in 96 and labour before that in 80 and the Tories before that.... | |||
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" Which shit and which fan? I think the Corbyn effect is simply that people want an opposition. He's as close to a Greek Anti-Austerity party as we're likely to get. The Queen is 90 next year so that will keep us distracted for a while. .Take your pick! Highest debt in history Highest current account deficit in history Highest stock market price in a very long time the Dow I think might be the highest in history? 0.5% interest rates House price bubble High youth unemployment Record bond issues Record low bond prices Record low bond yields Low global growth And a very dodgy Chinese market! This country lives and dies by two markets, housing and banking! When the bad times come, it won't actually be the Tories fault perse but there'll get the blame just like labour before in 2010 and the Tories before that in 96 and labour before that in 80 and the Tories before that.... " All of those are already bubbling away. I think the real shitstorm will be the rise of the disgruntled middle as they find it impossible to buy or rent somewhere to live. There was a lovely report about the housing shortage in NYC on the news a day or so ago. If every major city becomes unaffordable because the hedge funds and mega rich continue to buy up everything to keep them empty then that will finally push people to respond. | |||
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" Which shit and which fan? I think the Corbyn effect is simply that people want an opposition. He's as close to a Greek Anti-Austerity party as we're likely to get. The Queen is 90 next year so that will keep us distracted for a while. .Take your pick! Highest debt in history Highest current account deficit in history Highest stock market price in a very long time the Dow I think might be the highest in history? 0.5% interest rates House price bubble High youth unemployment Record bond issues Record low bond prices Record low bond yields Low global growth And a very dodgy Chinese market! This country lives and dies by two markets, housing and banking! When the bad times come, it won't actually be the Tories fault perse but there'll get the blame just like labour before in 2010 and the Tories before that in 96 and labour before that in 80 and the Tories before that.... All of those are already bubbling away. I think the real shitstorm will be the rise of the disgruntled middle as they find it impossible to buy or rent somewhere to live. There was a lovely report about the housing shortage in NYC on the news a day or so ago. If every major city becomes unaffordable because the hedge funds and mega rich continue to buy up everything to keep them empty then that will finally push people to respond." . It's already evolving! The left is getting more support in tradition right wing countries! The old form of media is struggling to keep the new younger generation from seeing through the bullshit and the older generation are seeing that the promises of future prosperity is not transferring to a better society There's a growing trend for change everywhere! The Chinese are really starting to look at there environmental and health and safety problems India's looking inside at its cast system The middle East is split between the "extremists" and the "I've had enough of this bollocks and just wanna get on with my life" The American dream is no long the thing it was, some don't even think there the greatest country on earth anymore
No I do feel a whiff of Mr Dylan in the air, for the times they are a changin!
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power." Well spoken someone with some sense on here I don't think labour will get in in my lifetime hooray!!! They can only blame themselves for electing the wrong Miliband he couldn't run a corner shop!! | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Well spoken someone with some sense on here I don't think labour will get in in my lifetime hooray!!! They can only blame themselves for electing the wrong Miliband he couldn't run a corner shop!! "Suggesting that the nation's finances post Blair/ Brown were a result of Blair/ Brown's actions is nonsense. Folks might not have noticed but there was a major international crisis going on. As for Miliband E not being able to run a corner shop - we'll never know. He didn't run one. | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need
If you are going to build hospitals at least run them right....Stafford hospital ring any bells and that happened under Labours watch. and it continued under the coalition too
Really? I don't recall any patients having to resort to drinking out of dirty flower vases because they needed a drink of water on hospital wards while the coalition government were in power? Also negligence in looking after patients and rushing them through A and E because of Labour party imposed waiting time targets.
Try this to help your memory. A nurse was convicted of four counts of ill-treatment and neglect of patients on Beech Ward at Whipps Cross University Hospital in Leytonstone, east London, between February and April 2012.
Another, Sharmila Gunda, 36, was found guilty of one count of neglect and one count of assault by beating an elderly patient in her care following a trial in June 2013
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need
If you are going to build hospitals at least run them right....Stafford hospital ring any bells and that happened under Labours watch. and it continued under the coalition too
Really? I don't recall any patients having to resort to drinking out of dirty flower vases because they needed a drink of water on hospital wards while the coalition government were in power? Also negligence in looking after patients and rushing them through A and E because of Labour party imposed waiting time targets.
Try this to help your memory. A nurse was convicted of four counts of ill-treatment and neglect of patients on Beech Ward at Whipps Cross University Hospital in Leytonstone, east London, between February and April 2012.
Another, Sharmila Gunda, 36, was found guilty of one count of neglect and one count of assault by beating an elderly patient in her care following a trial in June 2013
Totally different scenarios there to what was happening on a large scale at stafford hospital where you just posted 2 isolated cases. Mistreatment was intentionl in the ones you quoted where the individual was to blame but what happened at stafford hospital was in part directly due to Labour party policy. "As before it's 1602 cases not two. If that's isolated or one or two cases you're having serious trouble with both reading and counting. So I suppose it'd be far too much trouble for you to bother to read the report of the public enquiry. | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Well spoken someone with some sense on here I don't think labour will get in in my lifetime hooray!!! They can only blame themselves for electing the wrong Miliband he couldn't run a corner shop!!
Suggesting that the nation's finances post Blair/ Brown were a result of Blair/ Brown's actions is nonsense. Folks might not have noticed but there was a major international crisis going on.
As for Miliband E not being able to run a corner shop - we'll never know. He didn't run one."Or anything else for that matter. As for Blair/Brown. To be fair there was an international crisis. But and it's a bloody big BUT. The last Labour government not only taxed borrowed and spent leaving the national debt at unprecedented levels. They did all of that during what for over 10 years was a boom period, funny how they like to take the credit for a world wide boom, but the bust was everyone else's fault
During the period 1997-2008 they should have been reducing the debt not adding to it. The books they inherited from Major's government were in pretty good order so they had a good start. But bribing the electorate and building up the Labour voting client state was much more important to those two scumbags than the wellbeing of the nation.
Add to that the spending commitments that the incoming coalition had to pick up the tab for. Then Labour had the bloody audacity to then blame the new government for borrowing more while bitching from the sidelines about the (not really) savage cuts.
Labour? The sooner that bunch of bloody charlatans are condemned to the history books the better.
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Well spoken someone with some sense on here I don't think labour will get in in my lifetime hooray!!! They can only blame themselves for electing the wrong Miliband he couldn't run a corner shop!!
Suggesting that the nation's finances post Blair/ Brown were a result of Blair/ Brown's actions is nonsense. Folks might not have noticed but there was a major international crisis going on.
As for Miliband E not being able to run a corner shop - we'll never know. He didn't run one.
Or anything else for that matter.
As for Blair/Brown. To be fair there was an international crisis. But and it's a bloody big BUT. The last Labour government not only taxed borrowed and spent leaving the national debt at unprecedented levels. They did all of that during what for over 10 years was a boom period, funny how they like to take the credit for a world wide boom, but the bust was everyone else's fault
During the period 1997-2008 they should have been reducing the debt not adding to it. The books they inherited from Major's government were in pretty good order so they had a good start. But bribing the electorate and building up the Labour voting client state was much more important to those two scumbags than the wellbeing of the nation.
Add to that the spending commitments that the incoming coalition had to pick up the tab for. Then Labour had the bloody audacity to then blame the new government for borrowing more while bitching from the sidelines about the (not really) savage cuts.
Labour? The sooner that bunch of bloody charlatans are condemned to the history books the better.
"Why would you only want one point of _iew represented in politics? If the electorate don't vote for them they don't have any power. Leaving a single party to run things without any opposition leads to a dictatorship. | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Normally by building daft things like schools and hospitals and stuff we really dont need
If you are going to build hospitals at least run them right....Stafford hospital ring any bells and that happened under Labours watch. and it continued under the coalition too
Really? I don't recall any patients having to resort to drinking out of dirty flower vases because they needed a drink of water on hospital wards while the coalition government were in power? Also negligence in looking after patients and rushing them through A and E because of Labour party imposed waiting time targets. "Negligent staff is all down to labour then.................you couldnt make it up | |||
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"Loving the way the Bliarites are trying to portray this as tories or socialist worker types trying to derail Labour. The fact is that Corbyn's got a ground swell of support by Labour supporters. Even if you bussed in fake supporters you couldn't fake that. I personally think the Bliarites should be kicked out of Labour... they were never really Labour in the first place. They can go where they truly belong... the Lib Dems. Then Labour will be free to be a genuine alternative for a change
Two fingers up to Bliar from me"The thing that is really annoying me is Burnham suggesting Cooper and Kendall should step aside so that he can take on Corbyn and Cooper suggesting Burnham and Kendall should step aside so that she can take on Corbyn. Corbyn is selling out at every appearance so they should just fight their own corner and let the vote decide this. | |||
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"I really couldn't give a rats bollock about the Labour leadership contest as it is completely irrelevant to me as they'll never be getting my vote in a general election anyway, due to their policies and their utter incompetence when it comes to managing the economy. Every single time they have been in government they have left the countries finances in a worse state than when they came to power.Well spoken someone with some sense on here I don't think labour will get in in my lifetime hooray!!! They can only blame themselves for electing the wrong Miliband he couldn't run a corner shop!!
Suggesting that the nation's finances post Blair/ Brown were a result of Blair/ Brown's actions is nonsense. Folks might not have noticed but there was a major international crisis going on.
As for Miliband E not being able to run a corner shop - we'll never know. He didn't run one.
Or anything else for that matter.
As for Blair/Brown. To be fair there was an international crisis. But and it's a bloody big BUT. The last Labour government not only taxed borrowed and spent leaving the national debt at unprecedented levels. They did all of that during what for over 10 years was a boom period, funny how they like to take the credit for a world wide boom, but the bust was everyone else's fault
During the period 1997-2008 they should have been reducing the debt not adding to it. The books they inherited from Major's government were in pretty good order so they had a good start. But bribing the electorate and building up the Labour voting client state was much more important to those two scumbags than the wellbeing of the nation.
Add to that the spending commitments that the incoming coalition had to pick up the tab for. Then Labour had the bloody audacity to then blame the new government for borrowing more while bitching from the sidelines about the (not really) savage cuts.
Labour? The sooner that bunch of bloody charlatans are condemned to the history books the better.
".Your support for a party does change the figures.... Labours deficit record was pretty much exactly the same as the Tories between 83-90 with exactly the same borrowing boom between 90-94. Coincidentally they both achieved one year of deficit surplus. Tories managed one year out of 16 years government Labour from 13 years government Labours one year deficit surplus was actually slightly better than the Tories (but nothing to write home about). If... As you you seem to want a deficit neutral budget you really need to change your whole economy to an exporting one! Nobody ever balances their budget with a negative current account! | |||
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"Loving the way the Bliarites are trying to portray this as tories or socialist worker types trying to derail Labour. The fact is that Corbyn's got a ground swell of support by Labour supporters. Even if you bussed in fake supporters you couldn't fake that. I personally think the Bliarites should be kicked out of Labour... they were never really Labour in the first place. They can go where they truly belong... the Lib Dems. Then Labour will be free to be a genuine alternative for a change
Two fingers up to Bliar from me". I don't know why but Ive always like you? | |||
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"Oh and... Yvette Cooper is awful. She was the person Gordon Brown's administration rolled out whenever they wanted to give bad news. Something shit the governments just done? Get Yvette Cooper to front it and say a whole load of bollocks about why it wasn't that bad. She started her political career with a clear sign of how she wished to continue it... with absolutely no integrity whatsoever. She's Bliar's natural legacy... a pretty face ready to lie her arse off. Did I mention that I don't like Yvette Cooper? ". Oh yeah that's why | |||
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