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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584338/WaterWorld-Stoke-on-Trent-Muslim-Islam-waterpark-women-only-bikini-ban-clothing-veil-burqa
WaterWorld in Stoke-on-Trent plans to black out windows and provide a prayer room during a women-only night aimed at Muslims.
Only female lifeguards will patrol the park during the event , which has triggered a flood of complaints.
Staff will also "guard" the front entrance to "make sure that no males enter the facility". |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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If there's a demand for it? Why not?
If it's just a PC publicity exercise and nobody goes then it's a waste of time/money.
Many pools close for specific groups at certain times - disabled, schools, families, specific disadvanted groips for free sessions - hell, even nudists.
I don't see an issue if it's actually utilised.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I read the article and had a little snigger to myself at the mental image of a fully burkha-clad woman shooting down a waterslide, desperately trying to protect her modesty and keeping her ankles covered for the flash picture  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There were women only evenings at a local pool to me. It's nice that people who would have been excluded because of religion could participate in something so pleasurable. The bikini ban I don't understand unless only muslim women were attending. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584338/WaterWorld-Stoke-on-Trent-Muslim-Islam-waterpark-women-only-bikini-ban-clothing-veil-burqa
WaterWorld in Stoke-on-Trent plans to black out windows and provide a prayer room during a women-only night aimed at Muslims.
Only female lifeguards will patrol the park during the event , which has triggered a flood of complaints.
Staff will also "guard" the front entrance to "make sure that no males enter the facility"."
The park clearly believes it might be a commercially successful event. I don't see an issue with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584338/WaterWorld-Stoke-on-Trent-Muslim-Islam-waterpark-women-only-bikini-ban-clothing-veil-burqa
WaterWorld in Stoke-on-Trent plans to black out windows and provide a prayer room during a women-only night aimed at Muslims.
Only female lifeguards will patrol the park during the event , which has triggered a flood of complaints.
Staff will also "guard" the front entrance to "make sure that no males enter the facility".
The park clearly believes it might be a commercially successful event. I don't see an issue with it."
If you lived in the area you would understand the issue much better. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584338/WaterWorld-Stoke-on-Trent-Muslim-Islam-waterpark-women-only-bikini-ban-clothing-veil-burqa
WaterWorld in Stoke-on-Trent plans to black out windows and provide a prayer room during a women-only night aimed at Muslims.
Only female lifeguards will patrol the park during the event , which has triggered a flood of complaints.
Staff will also "guard" the front entrance to "make sure that no males enter the facility".
The park clearly believes it might be a commercially successful event. I don't see an issue with it.
If you lived in the area you would understand the issue much better."
Why? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If I wanted to go swimming on that night I could go earlier in the day.
I could go later in the day.
I could go to another pool.
I could go in Muslim friendly swimwear.
Either way it's two hours or so dedicated to allow another culture to get out the house and enjoy themselves. Hardly the end of the world.
My local pool offers nights for the elderly and nights for nudists. This does not seem to offend. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If I wanted to go swimming on that night I could go earlier in the day.
I could go later in the day.
I could go to another pool.
I could go in Muslim friendly swimwear.
Either way it's two hours or so dedicated to allow another culture to get out the house and enjoy themselves. Hardly the end of the world.
My local pool offers nights for the elderly and nights for nudists. This does not seem to offend. "
And rightly so. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"I read the article and had a little snigger to myself at the mental image of a fully burkha-clad woman shooting down a waterslide, desperately trying to protect her modesty and keeping her ankles covered for the flash picture "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584338/WaterWorld-Stoke-on-Trent-Muslim-Islam-waterpark-women-only-bikini-ban-clothing-veil-burqa
WaterWorld in Stoke-on-Trent plans to black out windows and provide a prayer room during a women-only night aimed at Muslims.
Only female lifeguards will patrol the park during the event , which has triggered a flood of complaints.
Staff will also "guard" the front entrance to "make sure that no males enter the facility".
The park clearly believes it might be a commercially successful event. I don't see an issue with it.
If you lived in the area you would understand the issue much better.
Why?"
There is high racial tension. It could be seen as inflammatory. I am aware of a group of people that are planning a protest on the evening in question. The potential for a kick off is genuine. And no I won't be there. I couldn't give two hoots. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584338/WaterWorld-Stoke-on-Trent-Muslim-Islam-waterpark-women-only-bikini-ban-clothing-veil-burqa
WaterWorld in Stoke-on-Trent plans to black out windows and provide a prayer room during a women-only night aimed at Muslims.
Only female lifeguards will patrol the park during the event , which has triggered a flood of complaints.
Staff will also "guard" the front entrance to "make sure that no males enter the facility".
The park clearly believes it might be a commercially successful event. I don't see an issue with it.
If you lived in the area you would understand the issue much better.
Why?
There is high racial tension. It could be seen as inflammatory. I am aware of a group of people that are planning a protest on the evening in question. The potential for a kick off is genuine. And no I won't be there. I couldn't give two hoots."
That's horrible. 
I don't know the area but it must be difficult for the people that have to live there. Why can't people just get on. Hope they do go ahead and have a lovely night. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"If there's a demand for it? Why not?
If it's just a PC publicity exercise and nobody goes then it's a waste of time/money.
Many pools close for specific groups at certain times - disabled, schools, families, specific disadvanted groips for free sessions - hell, even nudists.
I don't see an issue if it's actually utilised.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They've been running these events since 2011. It's just one evening. People (well the EDL and Express) are desperate to take offence but it's a complete non story. They also have naturist nights and I think some other themed events but no one is complaining about those.
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584338/WaterWorld-Stoke-on-Trent-Muslim-Islam-waterpark-women-only-bikini-ban-clothing-veil-burqa
WaterWorld in Stoke-on-Trent plans to black out windows and provide a prayer room during a women-only night aimed at Muslims.
Only female lifeguards will patrol the park during the event , which has triggered a flood of complaints.
Staff will also "guard" the front entrance to "make sure that no males enter the facility".
The park clearly believes it might be a commercially successful event. I don't see an issue with it."
A local pool has men only and women only Jewish nights. Muslim women have started to attend too.
Of course a sensational headline suggesting a ban on bikinis isn't about a private group renting somewhere and getting on with their lives.
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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I think it's rather wonderful, personally. People who wouldn't otherwise go, get a chance to have a swim.
I wonder how many of the peeps who may be protesting actually use the baths that night and now have to go another night? Or if they would protest if it was closed off to allow former service personnel to swim? |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584338/WaterWorld-Stoke-on-Trent-Muslim-Islam-waterpark-women-only-bikini-ban-clothing-veil-burqa
WaterWorld in Stoke-on-Trent plans to black out windows and provide a prayer room during a women-only night aimed at Muslims.
Only female lifeguards will patrol the park during the event , which has triggered a flood of complaints.
Staff will also "guard" the front entrance to "make sure that no males enter the facility".
The park clearly believes it might be a commercially successful event. I don't see an issue with it.
If you lived in the area you would understand the issue much better.
Why?
There is high racial tension. It could be seen as inflammatory. I am aware of a group of people that are planning a protest on the evening in question. The potential for a kick off is genuine. And no I won't be there. I couldn't give two hoots."
So a newspaper is helping to fuel racial tension, helping to ensure that racists get a platform for hateful behaviour? The issue appears easy to understand: don't be a Muslim and do anything that anyone could object to even when it affects them not a jot.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wasn't there a similar thing at a theme park a few months ago? Like crystalwheels said: a non story. "
Legoland. It was hired privately by a muslim group and the EDL worked themselves up in to a right state that they couldn't attend on a day it was never going to be open to the public anyway |
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"Wasn't there a similar thing at a theme park a few months ago? Like crystalwheels said: a non story.
Legoland. It was hired privately by a muslim group and the EDL worked themselves up in to a right state that they couldn't attend on a day it was never going to be open to the public anyway"
My headline would have been 'EDL blocked at Legoland' haha! |
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But wasn't the Birnminghams star city complex suddently allocated to Muslims one evening without informing the general public?,people turned up to play their usual weekly game of ten pin bowling or to go to cinema and the nights entertainment was spoiled for them?.
That was certainly a non-event for them that evening!. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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"But wasn't the Birnminghams star city complex suddently allocated to Muslims one evening without informing the general public?,people turned up to play their usual weekly game of ten pin bowling or to go to cinema and the nights entertainment was spoiled for them?.
That was certainly a non-event for them that evening!."
20 seconds of google says no. There's nothing in it.
“Star City is a family entertainment centre open to and enjoyed by all. Star City has enjoyed growing success in recent months and we have a proud record of community involvement. Over the past few days Star City has been extremely busy and the volume of traffic has been very high, causing significant traffic congestion and delays in getting some visitors access into the Centre. During the busiest times some visitors have been turned away and there has been some disappointment for some, for which we apologise. However, there is simply no truth in the recent allegations – the nature of which have no place at Star City.”
Although the statement doesn’t mention Eid, this was obviously a major contributory factor to Star City being very busy last week. It is hardly surprising that the festival should result in large numbers of Muslim families visiting the entertainment complex – according to the 2011 census, 21.8% of the population of Birmingham is Muslim, while Star City itself is situated in the Nechells area of the city, where 43.5% of the population is Muslim. Presumably what happened at the Vue cinema was that tickets sold out and disappointed visitors were told they were unable to get a seat because of Eid, which they took to mean that only Muslims were allowed in.
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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"There were several reports of khuffars being turned away whilst muslims were being let in. Whether you believe the people who said it, is a moot point"
At Star City? Is there any evidence, or is this just something you heard? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But wasn't the Birnminghams star city complex suddently allocated to Muslims one evening without informing the general public?,people turned up to play their usual weekly game of ten pin bowling or to go to cinema and the nights entertainment was spoiled for them?.
That was certainly a non-event for them that evening!.
20 seconds of google says no. There's nothing in it.
“Star City is a family entertainment centre open to and enjoyed by all. Star City has enjoyed growing success in recent months and we have a proud record of community involvement. Over the past few days Star City has been extremely busy and the volume of traffic has been very high, causing significant traffic congestion and delays in getting some visitors access into the Centre. During the busiest times some visitors have been turned away and there has been some disappointment for some, for which we apologise. However, there is simply no truth in the recent allegations – the nature of which have no place at Star City.”
Although the statement doesn’t mention Eid, this was obviously a major contributory factor to Star City being very busy last week. It is hardly surprising that the festival should result in large numbers of Muslim families visiting the entertainment complex – according to the 2011 census, 21.8% of the population of Birmingham is Muslim, while Star City itself is situated in the Nechells area of the city, where 43.5% of the population is Muslim. Presumably what happened at the Vue cinema was that tickets sold out and disappointed visitors were told they were unable to get a seat because of Eid, which they took to mean that only Muslims were allowed in.
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Wasn't it Mandy Rice-Davies who said the immortal :
"They would say that, wouldn't they?"
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"There were several reports of khuffars being turned away whilst muslims were being let in. Whether you believe the people who said it, is a moot point
At Star City? Is there any evidence, or is this just something you heard?"
Google is your friend - several reported quotes from non muslim individuals and families turned away by security guards stating it was for muslims only |
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Bottom line is commercial enterprises will do whatever they can to increase their profits. So while over 95% of the population allow less than 5% of the population to dictate 'the moral standards' that those commercial enterprises have to conform to to get the business of less than 5% then they will keep conforming.
However if the 95%+ of the population that does not subscribe to those 'moral standards' decide to boycott all commercial enterprises that do pander to the minority then stories like this will disappear as businesses realize that by catering for less than 5% of the population costs them over 95% of their potential market.
Think of the student boycott of Barclays Bank in the 70's when they were investing in SA, and if you dont like what been done organize a boycott. |
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"Seen a few quotes, but nothing that I'd put much store in. I guess it comes down to what you want to believe. "
Ah, so after implying I'd made it up, you now concede that such reports do exist, but you don't believe them |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584338/WaterWorld-Stoke-on-Trent-Muslim-Islam-waterpark-women-only-bikini-ban-clothing-veil-burqa
WaterWorld in Stoke-on-Trent plans to black out windows and provide a prayer room during a women-only night aimed at Muslims.
Only female lifeguards will patrol the park during the event , which has triggered a flood of complaints.
Staff will also "guard" the front entrance to "make sure that no males enter the facility"."
And ? We live in a multicultural society, whether we like it or not. Assuming that most of the Muslim's using this facility pay their council taxes, not to mention various other taxes, why shouldn't they be allowed one day a week for their usage? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584338/WaterWorld-Stoke-on-Trent-Muslim-Islam-waterpark-women-only-bikini-ban-clothing-veil-burqa
WaterWorld in Stoke-on-Trent plans to black out windows and provide a prayer room during a women-only night aimed at Muslims.
Only female lifeguards will patrol the park during the event , which has triggered a flood of complaints.
Staff will also "guard" the front entrance to "make sure that no males enter the facility".
The park clearly believes it might be a commercially successful event. I don't see an issue with it."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There were several reports of khuffars being turned away whilst muslims were being let in. Whether you believe the people who said it, is a moot point
At Star City? Is there any evidence, or is this just something you heard?
Google is your friend - several reported quotes from non muslim individuals and families turned away by security guards stating it was for muslims only"
Ive googled stuff and read plenty of bollocks. google isnt really a friend either. aggressively avoids tax, snoops and is a bit of a monster |
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"Seen a few quotes, but nothing that I'd put much store in. I guess it comes down to what you want to believe. "
The only article I bothered to read was The Mirror and that was full of fa;se outrage and cliched quotes.
I suspect that the reality is somewhere between those interviews and the Star City statement and most likely as you have already stated people being told it's full because of Eid being misinterpreted. |
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"Bottom line is commercial enterprises will do whatever they can to increase their profits. So while over 95% of the population allow less than 5% of the population to dictate 'the moral standards' that those commercial enterprises have to conform to to get the business of less than 5% then they will keep conforming.
However if the 95%+ of the population that does not subscribe to those 'moral standards' decide to boycott all commercial enterprises that do pander to the minority then stories like this will disappear as businesses realize that by catering for less than 5% of the population costs them over 95% of their potential market.
Think of the student boycott of Barclays Bank in the 70's when they were investing in SA, and if you dont like what been done organize a boycott."
How are moral standards being dictated to by anyone? |
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"www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584338/WaterWorld-Stoke-on-Trent-Muslim-Islam-waterpark-women-only-bikini-ban-clothing-veil-burqa
WaterWorld in Stoke-on-Trent plans to black out windows and provide a prayer room during a women-only night aimed at Muslims.
Only female lifeguards will patrol the park during the event , which has triggered a flood of complaints.
Staff will also "guard" the front entrance to "make sure that no males enter the facility".
And ? We live in a multicultural society, whether we like it or not. Assuming that most of the Muslim's using this facility pay their council taxes, not to mention various other taxes, why shouldn't they be allowed one day a week for their usage?"
lol i dont pay council tax so should i be excluded from certain things on that basis alone ? |
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It's been reported in various different newspapers. I don't know why this particular event has garnered more news than others. There are a lot of reports of different pro Muslim events in the area all of the time. Of course those reports are the ones that will make the news because it sells newspapers. And they will be skewed into anti everything else. The only thing that I find odd about the pool story is that they say it's open to any women but the dress has to be Muslim friendly. If it is open to all religions I don't get why they have said that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Many local pools have women only afternoons, pensioner only evenings, kids fun days....Is this that much different?
The dress code is I suppose but restaurants and nightclubs enforce a dress code regularly.
From what I have read ( between the inflammatory lines) it is only for a couple of hours.
Calm down dears. |
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"It's been reported in various different newspapers. I don't know why this particular event has garnered more news than others. There are a lot of reports of different pro Muslim events in the area all of the time. Of course those reports are the ones that will make the news because it sells newspapers. And they will be skewed into anti everything else. The only thing that I find odd about the pool story is that they say it's open to any women but the dress has to be Muslim friendly. If it is open to all religions I don't get why they have said that. "
its a legal requirement. |
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By *irceWoman
over a year ago
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Funny untill it creeps into your lifestyle and over shadows it.
I for one avoid all Muslim contact due to the oh so less multicultural harmony I get from that group, hate is shown in abundance and if you want proof ask a muslim about how TS are viewed .....good luck on a stright answer.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Imagine the outcry if the place said only non muslim clothes allowed.
It frustratws me that this happens alongside fact at mixed gyms tomes set aside for female only sessions.
A muxed gym is exactly that lets turn it round and say men only times the bra burners would be up in arms lol.
I am not advocating men only times by the way just pointing out how ridiculous the uk is getting.
If yoo join any club there are rules and should be applied to all either both sexes are treated same or not there is no grey area as far I am concerned. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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Ah, so after implying I'd made it up, you now concede that such reports do exist, but you don't believe them "
Nope, more a case that you've read stuff online and decided to take it in. There are reports of UFO's online, but it doesn't mean you have to believe them. I like what the Huffington Post have had to say about it all.
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"www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584338/WaterWorld-Stoke-on-Trent-Muslim-Islam-waterpark-women-only-bikini-ban-clothing-veil-burqa
WaterWorld in Stoke-on-Trent plans to black out windows and provide a prayer room during a women-only night aimed at Muslims.
Only female lifeguards will patrol the park during the event , which has triggered a flood of complaints.
Staff will also "guard" the front entrance to "make sure that no males enter the facility".
And ? We live in a multicultural society, whether we like it or not. Assuming that most of the Muslim's using this facility pay their council taxes, not to mention various other taxes, why shouldn't they be allowed one day a week for their usage?
lol i dont pay council tax so should i be excluded from certain things on that basis alone ?"
What has the fact that you don't pay council tax got to do with anything ? I was simply saying that I suspect most of the Muslims who choose to use this facility are normal law abiding citizens, who are part of the community. I don't see an issue allowing them to fully enjoy the facilities, even if it means making some special arrangements for their cultural needs. |
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"Bottom line is commercial enterprises will do whatever they can to increase their profits. So while over 95% of the population allow less than 5% of the population to dictate 'the moral standards' that those commercial enterprises have to conform to to get the business of less than 5% then they will keep conforming.
However if the 95%+ of the population that does not subscribe to those 'moral standards' decide to boycott all commercial enterprises that do pander to the minority then stories like this will disappear as businesses realize that by catering for less than 5% of the population costs them over 95% of their potential market.
Think of the student boycott of Barclays Bank in the 70's when they were investing in SA, and if you dont like what been done organize a boycott."
Lol, didn't one of the student pickets break ranks and go into the branch (Sheffield) to cash herself a cheque? I'm vaguely aware it made the local papers.
Some principled stance that was lol
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"It's been reported in various different newspapers. I don't know why this particular event has garnered more news than others. There are a lot of reports of different pro Muslim events in the area all of the time. Of course those reports are the ones that will make the news because it sells newspapers. And they will be skewed into anti everything else. The only thing that I find odd about the pool story is that they say it's open to any women but the dress has to be Muslim friendly. If it is open to all religions I don't get why they have said that.
its a legal requirement."
How so? We have English or British legality. No such laws provide for the enforcement of Muslim attire. As far as I am aware laws in Islamic states do have such laws but no Muslim is bound by those laws if they do not reside there. They do so in this country on religious grounds not legal.
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"Bottom line is commercial enterprises will do whatever they can to increase their profits. So while over 95% of the population allow less than 5% of the population to dictate 'the moral standards' that those commercial enterprises have to conform to to get the business of less than 5% then they will keep conforming.
However if the 95%+ of the population that does not subscribe to those 'moral standards' decide to boycott all commercial enterprises that do pander to the minority then stories like this will disappear as businesses realize that by catering for less than 5% of the population costs them over 95% of their potential market.
Think of the student boycott of Barclays Bank in the 70's when they were investing in SA, and if you dont like what been done organize a boycott.
Lol, didn't one of the student pickets break ranks and go into the branch (Sheffield) to cash herself a cheque? I'm vaguely aware it made the local papers.
Some principled stance that was lol
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I seem to remember that notwithstanding the odd boycott breaker the boycott led to Barclays removing their financial support for the government of of the South Africa and thus helped to remove apartheid from SA |
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