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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Gay couples not feeling comfortable holding hands! What is the world coming too!? Why are certain people so effected by this? We are in the 20th century!!
If I was ghey, I'd like to think things like this wouldn't effect what I do.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"21st Century, even. 
I love seeing people holding hands. I love holding hands (well, not the sweaty frog ones).
Hold hands and others will get over it.
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Oops yes 21st!  
I like to see it too  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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This story was on Jeremy Vine Radio 2 this lunchtime. Based i think on a survey by some Scottish LGBT group.
Amongst which, a young well spoken spokesperson would have us believe the following :
If you stare at a gay couple holding hands and do so to consider whether you should *come out* then that's OK.
If you stare at a gay couple for any other reason then that is a breach of the peace and a hate crime. Yes, she said, a Hate Crime.
She seems to think it OK for some people to *express themselves* whilst us staring perves* are not allowed to do so.
* only for feminine looking ( min 2) lezzies.
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By *ickawitchCouple
over a year ago
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I love seeing people holding hands and couldn't give two hoots over if they were gay or straight - I love to do and everyone else should feel comfortable to do it if they choose to  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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This story was on Jeremy Vine Radio 2 this lunchtime. Based i think on a survey by some Scottish LGBT group.
Amongst which, a young well spoken spokesperson would have us believe the following :
If you stare at a gay couple holding hands and do so to consider whether you should *come out* then that's OK.
If you stare at a gay couple for any other reason then that is a breach of the peace and a hate crime. Yes, she said, a Hate Crime.
She seems to think it OK for some people to *express themselves* whilst us staring perves* are not allowed to do so.
* only for feminine looking ( min 2) lezzies.
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That must be where I heard it! It was on the radio at a garage. Didn't hear it all though |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Its a nice ideal isnt it.
Unfortunatly there are many places in the uk where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands.
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Oh god! Really?  |
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By *ickawitchCouple
over a year ago
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"Its a nice ideal isnt it.
Unfortunatly there are many places in the uk where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands.
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It might be just a wish but it really should be that you can be happy without others hurting you simply for whom you love....:I would love for my world to be like that |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Its a nice ideal isnt it.
Unfortunatly there are many places in the uk where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands.
It might be just a wish but it really should be that you can be happy without others hurting you simply for whom you love....:I would love for my world to be like that "
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"Its a nice ideal isnt it.
Unfortunatly there are many places in the uk where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands.
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Any proof of this? Links credible news reports or similar. Not saying it has never happened but I would think its very, very rare. The way you have put it makes it sound like it happens daily. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its a nice ideal isnt it.
Unfortunatly there are many places in the uk where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands.
Oh god! Really? "
seriously you didnt know that ?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Its a nice ideal isnt it.
Unfortunatly there are many places in the uk where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands.
Any proof of this? Links credible news reports or similar. Not saying it has never happened but I would think its very, very rare. The way you have put it makes it sound like it happens daily."
He could be onto something though, i once offered a hand to a caged tiger and it didn't half have a swipe at me with his dominant "hand". But for the chain link fence, strong i may add, i could have been one of the many countless victims. |
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By *irceWoman
over a year ago
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Street hate is a real thing, not going into deep detail but beatings do happen for not being a society norm...
Gays do have it better that Tv/Cd/Ts and i get a lot of hate from LG members. Seems being taken as more normal by some gives them the right to attack others..... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Its a nice ideal isnt it.
Unfortunatly there are many places in the uk where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands.
Oh god! Really?
seriously you didnt know that ? "
No. I must live a sheltered life. |
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By *ickawitchCouple
over a year ago
Away with the fairies (Liverpool to you) |
"Its a nice ideal isnt it.
Unfortunatly there are many places in the uk where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands.
Oh god! Really?
seriously you didnt know that ?
No. I must live a sheltered life."
Me too BCW  I always hold hands with people - mostly because I am nervous around crowds and just figured everyone could do tha if they wanted to.....especially if it was with someone they loved xx |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Its a nice ideal isnt it.
Unfortunatly there are many places in the uk where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands.
Any proof of this? Links credible news reports or similar. Not saying it has never happened but I would think its very, very rare. The way you have put it makes it sound like it happens daily."
I know of cases where people haven't reported homophobic hate crimes because they feel the treatment from the police doesn't help, still.
A gay friend was beaten up on the DLR five years ago. No one went to help him. Even with the CCTV on the train there was no arrest. He got his story into the local press and that didn't lead to an arrest either. I think things like that lead people to just 'accept' it has happened.
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By *irceWoman
over a year ago
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"Its a nice ideal isnt it.
Unfortunatly there are many places in the uk where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands.
Any proof of this? Links credible news reports or similar. Not saying it has never happened but I would think its very, very rare. The way you have put it makes it sound like it happens daily.
I know of cases where people haven't reported homophobic hate crimes because they feel the treatment from the police doesn't help, still.
A gay friend was beaten up on the DLR five years ago. No one went to help him. Even with the CCTV on the train there was no arrest. He got his story into the local press and that didn't lead to an arrest either. I think things like that lead people to just 'accept' it has happened.
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From my dealings with the police i have lost all faith in them....like your message btw very true x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Homophobia is very much active in every area of this country.
I don't think total equality will be seen in our lifetime, not at all. Well not as long as religious groups are still active |
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"Its a nice ideal isnt it.
Unfortunatly there are many places in the uk where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands.
Any proof of this? Links credible news reports or similar. Not saying it has never happened but I would think its very, very rare. The way you have put it makes it sound like it happens daily.
I know of cases where people haven't reported homophobic hate crimes because they feel the treatment from the police doesn't help, still.
A gay friend was beaten up on the DLR five years ago. No one went to help him. Even with the CCTV on the train there was no arrest. He got his story into the local press and that didn't lead to an arrest either. I think things like that lead people to just 'accept' it has happened.
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Yes I know it happens and certain minority's are still discriminated against. But its the "there are many place in the UK where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands" I have an issue with, it makes it sound as if minorities are regularly being murdered in the street, which I'm pretty sure there not. |
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How many of us have seen men holding hands in public - outside of London, and gay village type areas of major cities?
I'm guessing that it's very few, and certainly not frequently.
It's not that long since the pub bombing in Soho, that killed people and wounded about 70. I was in Soho at the time with family and the massive sound of the bomb was soon followed by hordes of people covered in blood - absolutely sickening.
A guy who was in the Admiral Duncan bar, but survived, was one of many people who were attacked by a gang, after leaving the Heaven club, in the west end, who died after being taken to hospital of head and other severe injuries. In other words, even in the centre of London, it's not been that safe for gay people in recent years.
There was a lad killed on his 18th birthday party that some may remember from about a year ago. Homophobic insults were scrawled on his body, that was set alight and he died from his burns.
Police used to spend hours using attractive cops as agent provocateurs to lure gay and bi men to commit illegal propositioning. They've never rebalanced that, using cops as decoys holding hands, to ensure that homophobic attackers are identified and stopped - it would seem a fair retribution, after many men caught by the cops lost their lives, due to their tactics. |
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"Its a nice ideal isnt it.
Unfortunatly there are many places in the uk where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands.
Any proof of this? Links credible news reports or similar. Not saying it has never happened but I would think its very, very rare. The way you have put it makes it sound like it happens daily.
I know of cases where people haven't reported homophobic hate crimes because they feel the treatment from the police doesn't help, still.
A gay friend was beaten up on the DLR five years ago. No one went to help him. Even with the CCTV on the train there was no arrest. He got his story into the local press and that didn't lead to an arrest either. I think things like that lead people to just 'accept' it has happened.
Yes I know it happens and certain minority's are still discriminated against. But its the "there are many place in the UK where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands" I have an issue with, it makes it sound as if minorities are regularly being murdered in the street, which I'm pretty sure there not."
Even if, i say IF, they ever were, it'd be for far greater reason that "holding hands." Not that any reason is excusable. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"How many of us have seen men holding hands in public - outside of London, and gay village type areas of major cities?
I'm guessing that it's very few, and certainly not frequently.
It's not that long since the pub bombing in Soho, that killed people and wounded about 70. I was in Soho at the time with family and the massive sound of the bomb was soon followed by hordes of people covered in blood - absolutely sickening.
A guy who was in the Admiral Duncan bar, but survived, was one of many people who were attacked by a gang, after leaving the Heaven club, in the west end, who died after being taken to hospital of head and other severe injuries. In other words, even in the centre of London, it's not been that safe for gay people in recent years.
There was a lad killed on his 18th birthday party that some may remember from about a year ago. Homophobic insults were scrawled on his body, that was set alight and he died from his burns.
Police used to spend hours using attractive cops as agent provocateurs to lure gay and bi men to commit illegal propositioning. They've never rebalanced that, using cops as decoys holding hands, to ensure that homophobic attackers are identified and stopped - it would seem a fair retribution, after many men caught by the cops lost their lives, due to their tactics. "
OMG that is terrible! |
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As much as it obviously doesnt bother me what people do to show affection...be they of any orientation....sometimes there is "a time and place" .... Especially in public areas where kids are around (i recall years ago trying to explain to my 5yr old daughter why two guys had snogged in a queue at alton towers) or maybe where there are a load of oldies who aint quite as relaxed about such things and might find it a lil offensive... |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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In other parts of the world, like south east Asia, it's common for male friends to hold hands, to cuddle, to rest their heads on each others shoulder etc. In a purely non-sexual way. Obviously that is very different to the UK.
I think they should be free to hold hands if they want to, and we all need to work together towards a society where that is acceptable, and intolerance is unacceptable. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"As much as it obviously doesnt bother me what people do to show affection...be they of any orientation....sometimes there is "a time and place" .... Especially in public areas where kids are around (i recall years ago trying to explain to my 5yr old daughter why two guys had snogged in a queue at alton towers) or maybe where there are a load of oldies who aint quite as relaxed about such things and might find it a lil offensive... "
It's not fair though that it's fine for a man and women to be able to kiss in that que and nothing said.
What happened to equal rights? |
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By *ickawitchCouple
over a year ago
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"As much as it obviously doesnt bother me what people do to show affection...be they of any orientation....sometimes there is "a time and place" .... Especially in public areas where kids are around (i recall years ago trying to explain to my 5yr old daughter why two guys had snogged in a queue at alton towers) or maybe where there are a load of oldies who aint quite as relaxed about such things and might find it a lil offensive... "
I think children are a lot more accepting of different relationships than people give them credit for. Our two young nieces are very aware that sometimes boys / girls like each other but sometimes boys / boys and girls / girls. They were told about the different types of relationships in school but had already been informed as and when they asked questions growing up |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its a nice ideal isnt it.
Unfortunatly there are many places in the uk where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands.
Any proof of this? Links credible news reports or similar. Not saying it has never happened but I would think its very, very rare. The way you have put it makes it sound like it happens daily.
I know of cases where people haven't reported homophobic hate crimes because they feel the treatment from the police doesn't help, still.
A gay friend was beaten up on the DLR five years ago. No one went to help him. Even with the CCTV on the train there was no arrest. He got his story into the local press and that didn't lead to an arrest either. I think things like that lead people to just 'accept' it has happened.
Yes I know it happens and certain minority's are still discriminated against. But its the "there are many place in the UK where people have been beaten to death on the street for holding hands" I have an issue with, it makes it sound as if minorities are regularly being murdered in the street, which I'm pretty sure there not."
you should try googling the subject. there are many people from minorities or not who are beaten and kicked to death on the streets all the time, week in week out. Do you think every murder makes the national news and cos you didnt hear about that it didnt happen ?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As much as it obviously doesnt bother me what people do to show affection...be they of any orientation....sometimes there is "a time and place" .... Especially in public areas where kids are around (i recall years ago trying to explain to my 5yr old daughter why two guys had snogged in a queue at alton towers) or maybe where there are a load of oldies who aint quite as relaxed about such things and might find it a lil offensive...
It's not fair though that it's fine for a man and women to be able to kiss in that que and nothing said.
What happened to equal rights? "
I'm not so sure it is 'fine' for a hetro couple to snog in a queue at Alton towers. It's one thing to hold hands but snogging? I think quite a few people would feel uncomfortable stood in a queue waiting to go on a roller coaster with their children if a couple started snogging whatever sex combination they were. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Staring!! Hate crime my ass.
Tolerance and understanding needed rather than cause dangerous resentment in the community by criminalising looking at people.
Fuck em hold hands and let people get used to it. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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My 9 yr old daughter noticed two ladies holding hands not so long ago. She asked if they were lesbians. I said that I thought they could be. Her response was "That's nice, so you can love another girl if you want to then" I thought that was really sweet and grown up of her |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When I see it I always throw a beaming smile their way.
I'd happily hold hands with a well-chosen member of the same gender.
If there were any trouble, I hope the perpetrators would enjoy a hospital visit... Just saying |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I love seeing people holding hands weather they are men women hetro bi or gay mixed older younger ect but just never did like people kissing in public 
I think kissing should be a bit more private then that!
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"My 9 yr old daughter noticed two ladies holding hands not so long ago. She asked if they were lesbians. I said that I thought they could be. Her response was "That's nice, so you can love another girl if you want to then" I thought that was really sweet and grown up of her "
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By *olarfoxMan
over a year ago
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"Gay couples not feeling comfortable holding hands! What is the world coming too!? Why are certain people so effected by this? We are in the 20th century!!
If I was ghey, I'd like to think things like this wouldn't effect what I do.
What's your thoughts?"
I remember way back in the mid eighties when I spent a couple of years living in Paris. Gay couples would openly walk round holding hands, kiss and even occasionally neck in public..
Never bothered me in the slightest and probably helped to instil my belief that we can be a very intolerant and narrow minded bunch over here.  |
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"Gay couples not feeling comfortable holding hands! What is the world coming too!? Why are certain people so effected by this? We are in the 20th century!!
If I was ghey, I'd like to think things like this wouldn't effect what I do.
What's your thoughts?
I remember way back in the mid eighties when I spent a couple of years living in Paris. Gay couples would openly walk round holding hands, kiss and even occasionally neck in public..
Never bothered me in the slightest and probably helped to instil my belief that we can be a very intolerant and narrow minded bunch over here. "
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By *ickawitchCouple
over a year ago
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"My 9 yr old daughter noticed two ladies holding hands not so long ago. She asked if they were lesbians. I said that I thought they could be. Her response was "That's nice, so you can love another girl if you want to then" I thought that was really sweet and grown up of her "
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"Street hate is a real thing, not going into deep detail but beatings do happen for not being a society norm...
Gays do have it better that Tv/Cd/Ts and i get a lot of hate from LG members. Seems being taken as more normal by some gives them the right to attack others..... "
Well I understand that that may be true but I still don't believe that people are being beaten to death daily, or even weekly, on are streets just because of their sexual orientation. |
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"Homophobia is very much active in every area of this country.
I don't think total equality will be seen in our lifetime, not at all. Well not as long as religious groups are still active "
I doubt that anyone who goes around beating up other people for any reason is likely to be a member of any recognised religion in this country. But hey, why not get a dig in at religion rather than try to identify and solve the real problem. |
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"As much as it obviously doesnt bother me what people do to show affection...be they of any orientation....sometimes there is "a time and place" .... Especially in public areas where kids are around (i recall years ago trying to explain to my 5yr old daughter why two guys had snogged in a queue at alton towers) or maybe where there are a load of oldies who aint quite as relaxed about such things and might find it a lil offensive...
It's not fair though that it's fine for a man and women to be able to kiss in that que and nothing said.
What happened to equal rights? "
Is it? I'm sure there are quite a lot "oldies" who "ain't quite so relaxed" about any body snogging in public. It can also be quite difficult to explain to any kid why someone would want to stick their tongue into anybody else's mouth whether they are the same sex or not. |
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"As much as it obviously doesnt bother me what people do to show affection...be they of any orientation....sometimes there is "a time and place" .... Especially in public areas where kids are around (i recall years ago trying to explain to my 5yr old daughter why two guys had snogged in a queue at alton towers) or maybe where there are a load of oldies who aint quite as relaxed about such things and might find it a lil offensive...
It's not fair though that it's fine for a man and women to be able to kiss in that que and nothing said.
What happened to equal rights?
I'm not so sure it is 'fine' for a hetro couple to snog in a queue at Alton towers. It's one thing to hold hands but snogging? I think quite a few people would feel uncomfortable stood in a queue waiting to go on a roller coaster with their children if a couple started snogging whatever sex combination they were. "
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I tend to squirm a bit if any couples get very involved whilst snogging in public - maybe I'm a bit restrained in my sensibilities? But two men should be and are free to show affection in public, equal to other couples.
I'm sure late tonight somewhere in the UK there will be some taunting and possible attacks, after some guys come out of a gay club/pub.
If gay and bi men felt that it was safer, more of us would have seen them being affectionate in public.
How many of us have seen same sex couples being affectionate publicly in the last few weeks, outside of a 'gay village' type locality?
A surprisingly large number of younger straight guys are affectionate together, including kissing and touching, but this represents what is probably viewed as 'acceptable' male affection, including football players kissing during games etc. |
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