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No disrespect to the old and disabled but lately there seems to be alot of them driving on main roads around towns and streets and not the pavement! Not sure the laws around them but it does my head in as a driver..
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over a year ago
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"Some are for road use, but I think they need to learn basic highway code before letting loose on the road."
The same could be said for some cyclists and some drivers come to think of it!! |
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By *tep121Man
over a year ago
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Those that travel up to 3mph are pavement use only. Those that travel up to 6mph have to be on road. I thought the same as you but my gran has one, n went with her to scooter shop n that's what they said regarding to the law.. |
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"Its terrifying!! They are so vunrable, and the ones I've seen about don't seem to realise it!!"
Thats so true, they always seem to be completely oblivious to dangers or the queing traffic behind them lol |
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over a year ago
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With the growing use of mobility scooters, there needs to be serious consideration to the width of pavements.
There is barely enough room on many pavements for pedestrians and scooters to pass each other.
I await the day there is a geriatric stand-off between two mobility scooters trying to pass each other on a narrow strip of macadam... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i think if we as drivers have to pass a test to drive a bike, or car on the road so should a mobility scooter driver have to. PPl drive them on the road having never driven on the road before its ludricous stick to pavement only scooters xxxx  |
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over a year ago
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There annoying, cyclists are the worst for holding up traffic. Went to swanage yesterday and there were loads of them blocking the narrow lanes. They should be free game to run off the road..wankers |
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By *oddyWoman
over a year ago
between havant and chichester |
And they dont keep nr to the kerb one nr me thinks he can use middle of rd goes straight across the rd without looking and wonders why hes shouted at its for his own safety
personaly he shouldent be using it as hes not rd safe |
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"Some are for road use, but I think they need to learn basic highway code before letting loose on the road.
The same could be said for some cyclists and some drivers come to think of it!!"
and watch out for pedestrians with headsets on or txtin  |
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"There annoying, cyclists are the worst for holding up traffic. Went to swanage yesterday and there were loads of them blocking the narrow lanes. They should be free game to run off the road..wankers"
What a stupid comment. People with attitudes like your shouldn't be allowed to drive. |
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"There annoying, cyclists are the worst for holding up traffic. Went to swanage yesterday and there were loads of them blocking the narrow lanes. They should be free game to run off the road..wankers"
And today's Velcro Shoe award goes to.... |
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over a year ago
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"Oh my word
There but for the grace of God etc
One day you'll all be old and might need one of these hideous machines
And maybe you'll be glad to have one
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I have no issue with mobility scooters becuase they give independence to those who may otherwise loose it.
But before the UK's streets end up like that spaceship in Wall-E, we really need an infrastructure capable of supporting them.
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"Some are for road use, but I think they need to learn basic highway code before letting loose on the road.
The same could be said for some cyclists and some drivers come to think of it!!
and watch out for pedestrians with headsets on or txtin "
Let's not forget people with prams, buggies, pushchairs etc
How dare these people breed and clog up our pavements
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"Oh my word
There but for the grace of God etc
One day you'll all be old and might need one of these hideous machines
And maybe you'll be glad to have one
I have no issue with mobility scooters becuase they give independence to those who may otherwise loose it.
But before the UK's streets end up like that spaceship in Wall-E, we really need an infrastructure capable of supporting them.
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Or just people who have patience |
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"Some are for road use, but I think they need to learn basic highway code before letting loose on the road.
The same could be said for some cyclists and some drivers come to think of it!!
and watch out for pedestrians with headsets on or txtin
Let's not forget people with prams, buggies, pushchairs etc
How dare these people breed and clog up our pavements
JOKE! "
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"Oh my word
There but for the grace of God etc
One day you'll all be old and might need one of these hideous machines
And maybe you'll be glad to have one
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One of my best friends uses one. It enables her to pop out for milk, to do her own clothes shopping and meet friends and do things with them. She drove for years and was a careful and safe driver. Her scooter has road tax (yes they have to be registered, though because they're electric they get it free) and she takes it on the road. In many places that is the only choice she has as not all pavements are wide enough and in some cases there aren't pavements.
Mobility scooters are not restricted to the elderly - there but for the grace of God people. Would people be making the same comments if it was someone in a motorised wheelchair who was on the road because the pavement wasn't wide enough?
Pedestrians and cyclists and any and all are allowed to use the roads, they are not the preserve of cars and motorbikes. Personally I'm more disturbed by the prevalence of uninsured and unroadworthy cars on the roads. |
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"Oh my word
There but for the grace of God etc
One day you'll all be old and might need one of these hideous machines
And maybe you'll be glad to have one
I have no issue with mobility scooters becuase they give independence to those who may otherwise loose it.
But before the UK's streets end up like that spaceship in Wall-E, we really need an infrastructure capable of supporting them.
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Why this attitude towards mobility scooters? Why do so many people make judgements about those who use them? They are not generally used by people who are just a bit lazy and have decided not to bother walking. |
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"Oh my word
There but for the grace of God etc
One day you'll all be old and might need one of these hideous machines
And maybe you'll be glad to have one
I have no issue with mobility scooters becuase they give independence to those who may otherwise loose it.
But before the UK's streets end up like that spaceship in Wall-E, we really need an infrastructure capable of supporting them.
Why this attitude towards mobility scooters? Why do so many people make judgements about those who use them? They are not generally used by people who are just a bit lazy and have decided not to bother walking."
Why what attitude exactly? My comment about 'mobility scooters giving independence to those who might loose it' was a positive statement regarding their use.
My attempt to draw a parallel on the film 'Wall-E' was based how many mobility chairs there were in the film and how they had an infrastructure to manage them.
The UK's pedestrian infrastructure will be unable to sustain them. We have an increased use from those who are disabled (because the cost of the scooters are decreasing making them more available - which is a good thing) - you can include disability through obesity if you wish.
The population is also living longer, which brings its own issues with mobility (and therefore increased usage). We are already at a point where the cost of a hip replacement far outstrips the cost of a mobility scooter, so there will be more scooters provisioned on the NHS allowing hip replacements to be delayed until absolutely critical.
I never said anything about lazy people, or those who just cant be arsed. |
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over a year ago
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I have no problems with the mobility scooters being on the pavement or road as long as there is space for them. My only pet peeve is the fact that they think that because they can travel at 8 mph they are entitled to do it everywhere despite the way not being clear. Many times have the back of my legs been bashed by them because they was travelling too fast or was impatient but there was no room to get past on the busy pavement.
It is the few spoiling it for the many like all aspects of life
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So a retired truck driver with all license classes or a retired advanced driving instructor will have to be taught how to drive a battery powered scooter in your idea of training,
No different to a kid on a bike they are vulnerable and the responsibility is on us as the driver to take due care around them,
"Getting them off the road" will housebound an oap so you don't have to slow down for 10mim |
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"Oh my word
There but for the grace of God etc
One day you'll all be old and might need one of these hideous machines
And maybe you'll be glad to have one
I have no issue with mobility scooters becuase they give independence to those who may otherwise loose it.
But before the UK's streets end up like that spaceship in Wall-E, we really need an infrastructure capable of supporting them.
Why this attitude towards mobility scooters? Why do so many people make judgements about those who use them? They are not generally used by people who are just a bit lazy and have decided not to bother walking.
Why what attitude exactly? My comment about 'mobility scooters giving independence to those who might loose it' was a positive statement regarding their use.
My attempt to draw a parallel on the film 'Wall-E' was based how many mobility chairs there were in the film and how they had an infrastructure to manage them.
The UK's pedestrian infrastructure will be unable to sustain them. We have an increased use from those who are disabled (because the cost of the scooters are decreasing making them more available - which is a good thing) - you can include disability through obesity if you wish.
The population is also living longer, which brings its own issues with mobility (and therefore increased usage). We are already at a point where the cost of a hip replacement far outstrips the cost of a mobility scooter, so there will be more scooters provisioned on the NHS allowing hip replacements to be delayed until absolutely critical.
I never said anything about lazy people, or those who just cant be arsed. "
Sorry, I should have made it clear that my comment was an in general one and not specifically aimed at you.
I quoted you because of the Wall-e comment. In the film it was general indolence that led to the use of the chairs. |
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"At 6mph they are an unwelcome hazard on the highway."
I can't walk at that speed but I often walk on the road.
Horse drawn vehicles go at a similar pace - should they be banned?
People forget that roads were here before cars. Cars do not have a monopoly on road use and paying road tax does not mean that car drivers are entitled to more than any other road user. |
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Sorry, I should have made it clear that my comment was an in general one and not specifically aimed at you.
I quoted you because of the Wall-e comment. In the film it was general indolence that led to the use of the chairs."
No worries, it was probably a bad example to use as you're right - they were there through indolence.
Mea Culpa, I was only partially concentrating , I've been mostly busy on FLAC encoding. |
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these madge mobiles are dangerous. why is it that they can be driven with no licence, mot, tax disc, and insurance? have been to Palma nova before, and seen these things driven like a missile at people for not moving quick enough out of the way. |
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Sorry, I should have made it clear that my comment was an in general one and not specifically aimed at you.
I quoted you because of the Wall-e comment. In the film it was general indolence that led to the use of the chairs.
No worries, it was probably a bad example to use as you're right - they were there through indolence.
Mea Culpa, I was only partially concentrating , I've been mostly busy on FLAC encoding. "
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By *andy57TV/TS
over a year ago
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I do not have à problem with them however just incurred a £300 paint bill on my car after one crashed into it then failed to stop they should have insurance when I contacted the chap who had done the deed I was told to go f**k myself then they wounder why people get pissed at them mind you it's the same a cyclist we pay casts amount of money to have cycle lanes and paths built from our taxes and they do not bother to use them . They get knocked off and the car driver is at fault plus I wish they would just abide the law at traffic lights a red light means stop !!!
I await the flack now LOL |
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"There annoying, cyclists are the worst for holding up traffic. Went to swanage yesterday and there were loads of them blocking the narrow lanes. They should be free game to run off the road..wankers
What a stupid comment. People with attitudes like your shouldn't be allowed to drive."
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"I do not have à problem with them however just incurred a £300 paint bill on my car after one crashed into it then failed to stop they should have insurance when I contacted the chap who had done the deed I was told to go f**k myself then they wounder why people get pissed at them mind you it's the same a cyclist we pay casts amount of money to have cycle lanes and paths built from our taxes and they do not bother to use them . They get knocked off and the car driver is at fault plus I wish they would just abide the law at traffic lights a red light means stop !!!
I await the flack now LOL "
Red light runners really gets on my nerves too, we have to stop why do they think they're above the law  |
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"Love the mobility scooters for those who genuinely need it for independent living... hate the mobility scooters for fat people too lazy to lose weight.
This"
How can you tell the difference?
My friend gets treated like dirt on hers, she's 40 and just on first look appears as healthy as me. But when she tries to get up to get into somewhere the scooter won't fit you see people's opinion changing, it's quite unpleasant. |
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"I do not have à problem with them however just incurred a £300 paint bill on my car after one crashed into it then failed to stop they should have insurance when I contacted the chap who had done the deed I was told to go f**k myself then they wounder why people get pissed at them mind you it's the same a cyclist we pay casts amount of money to have cycle lanes and paths built from our taxes and they do not bother to use them . They get knocked off and the car driver is at fault plus I wish they would just abide the law at traffic lights a red light means stop !!!
I await the flack now LOL
Red light runners really gets on my nerves too, we have to stop why do they think they're above the law "
Road users of all types run red lights. I had a near miss yesterday with a car who ran the red light against me. |
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I saw one on a really busy stretch of road the other day, national speed limit and everything.
Coming towards me is an elderly gentlemen going along the road on his scooter. Problem was: he was dressed in dark clothing and the scooter was dark too. There were also quite a few hills which could have obscured him from drivers. I wonder if he made it to his destination?
Stupid thing was, there were empty pavements both sides of the road he could have used. It was in the middle of nowhere. There were no pedestrians at all!
I think these proud elderly people refuse to give up their independance and like to imagine they're still drivers. Bet their relatives don't know what they're up to! |
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"I do not have à problem with them however just incurred a £300 paint bill on my car after one crashed into it then failed to stop they should have insurance when I contacted the chap who had done the deed I was told to go f**k myself then they wounder why people get pissed at them mind you it's the same a cyclist we pay casts amount of money to have cycle lanes and paths built from our taxes and they do not bother to use them . They get knocked off and the car driver is at fault plus I wish they would just abide the law at traffic lights a red light means stop !!!
I await the flack now LOL "
Roads (& cycle lanes) are funded in the main via Council Tax, so every adult pays for them - VED is a tax on emissions & not hypothecated for highways maintainance & hasn't been since 1937.
There is currently no Presumed Liability law in this country, according to TfL/DfT data 70% of vehicle/cycle collisions are the sole fault of the driver, only 12% are the sole fault of the cyclist.
It is perfectly possible to claim damages from a cyclist/equestrian/pedestrian by taking them to a small claims court, the reason motorists are required to hold specific insurance is because of the extremely high costs of potential damage to property and health that vehicles pose.
A recent survey by Allianz showed more drivers admitted to running red lights that cyclists were counted doing the same - and that's admitting to the crime. |
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"I saw one on a really busy stretch of road the other day, national speed limit and everything.
Coming towards me is an elderly gentlemen going along the road on his scooter. Problem was: he was dressed in dark clothing and the scooter was dark too. There were also quite a few hills which could have obscured him from drivers. I wonder if he made it to his destination?
Stupid thing was, there were empty pavements both sides of the road he could have used. It was in the middle of nowhere. There were no pedestrians at all!
I think these proud elderly people refuse to give up their independance and like to imagine they're still drivers. Bet their relatives don't know what they're up to!"
Not all pavements are suitable. Not all have ramps and some narrow in places.
Scooters all have lights though, he should have used them - like may bikers use their lights all the time.
But it could just as easily been a cyclist or a horse rider or a pedestrian. |
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"I saw one on a really busy stretch of road the other day, national speed limit and everything.
Coming towards me is an elderly gentlemen going along the road on his scooter. Problem was: he was dressed in dark clothing and the scooter was dark too. There were also quite a few hills which could have obscured him from drivers. I wonder if he made it to his destination?
Stupid thing was, there were empty pavements both sides of the road he could have used. It was in the middle of nowhere. There were no pedestrians at all!
I think these proud elderly people refuse to give up their independance and like to imagine they're still drivers. Bet their relatives don't know what they're up to!"
I had a similar experience twice last week! Very frightening, one atleast had a high vis on but both had pavements either side of the road that they could've used! |
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Road users of all types run red lights. I had a near miss yesterday with a car who ran the red light against me."
This is very true, however there are far more cyclists that think red lights don't mean jack to them. I remember nearly being flattened by a cyclist crossing at a green man, she had the cheek to shout at me "can't you see I'm cycling" my answer "can't you see a red light at a crossing you cock" his reply "it's for cars you 4 eyed cunt". If I'd been hit what do you think my chances of claiming off his insurance would be? |
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Road users of all types run red lights. I had a near miss yesterday with a car who ran the red light against me.
This is very true, however there are far more cyclists that think red lights don't mean jack to them. I remember nearly being flattened by a cyclist crossing at a green man, she had the cheek to shout at me "can't you see I'm cycling" my answer "can't you see a red light at a crossing you cock" his reply "it's for cars you 4 eyed cunt". If I'd been hit what do you think my chances of claiming off his insurance would be?"
I always find it funny when my glasses are used as an insult that I can't see properly! Well yes, without them I'm blind as a bat. But with them my vision is far better than many other road users and u have the confidence of regular check ups to be able to say that. Many who've never worn specs don't get their sight tested at all! |
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"I do not have à problem with them however just incurred a £300 paint bill on my car after one crashed into it then failed to stop they should have insurance when I contacted the chap who had done the deed I was told to go f**k myself then they wounder why people get pissed at them mind you it's the same a cyclist we pay casts amount of money to have cycle lanes and paths built from our taxes and they do not bother to use them . They get knocked off and the car driver is at fault plus I wish they would just abide the law at traffic lights a red light means stop !!!
I await the flack now LOL
Red light runners really gets on my nerves too, we have to stop why do they think they're above the law
Road users of all types run red lights. I had a near miss yesterday with a car who ran the red light against me."
Yes they do and I see it everyday but I was thinking of a particular t-junction I use several days per week as cyclists turn right straight across traffic |
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"Love the mobility scooters for those who genuinely need it for independent living... hate the mobility scooters for fat people too lazy to lose weight."
How has a thread about disabled people using the roads turned into fat bashing! |
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"At 6mph they are an unwelcome hazard on the highway.
I can't walk at that speed but I often walk on the road.
Horse drawn vehicles go at a similar pace - should they be banned?
People forget that roads were here before cars. Cars do not have a monopoly on road use and paying road tax does not mean that car drivers are entitled to more than any other road user."
There isn't a minimum speed limit on the majority of UK roads, however you can be fined for driving too slow if you are a hazard to other road users.
Slow moving person, tootling along at 6mph on the road is without doubt going to be a hazard. |
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I think they are a great concept and give people the freedom to get out and about.
Apart from the knobhead who ran into me in Tesco when I had my back to the aisle looking at cheese. Swiped me right on the back of the heels and drove away tutting. How dare me. |
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"At 6mph they are an unwelcome hazard on the highway.
I can't walk at that speed but I often walk on the road.
Horse drawn vehicles go at a similar pace - should they be banned?
People forget that roads were here before cars. Cars do not have a monopoly on road use and paying road tax does not mean that car drivers are entitled to more than any other road user.
There isn't a minimum speed limit on the majority of UK roads, however you can be fined for driving too slow if you are a hazard to other road users.
Slow moving person, tootling along at 6mph on the road is without doubt going to be a hazard."
That's true, but only true in so far as you need to progress in a safe manner without exceeding the safe capabilities of your mode of transport - cyclists attempting to maintain the designated speed limit for a road would certainly not be doing so safely and I'm sure most drivers would be terrified to go round a blind bend on a national speed limit country lane to be faced with a horse going at its full speed!
The rules of the road allow for slow moving vehicles - the only time you can cross a solid white line is to pass a particularly slow moving road user. |
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"At 6mph they are an unwelcome hazard on the highway.
I can't walk at that speed but I often walk on the road.
Horse drawn vehicles go at a similar pace - should they be banned?
People forget that roads were here before cars. Cars do not have a monopoly on road use and paying road tax does not mean that car drivers are entitled to more than any other road user.
There isn't a minimum speed limit on the majority of UK roads, however you can be fined for driving too slow if you are a hazard to other road users.
Slow moving person, tootling along at 6mph on the road is without doubt going to be a hazard.
That's true, but only true in so far as you need to progress in a safe manner without exceeding the safe capabilities of your mode of transport - cyclists attempting to maintain the designated speed limit for a road would certainly not be doing so safely and I'm sure most drivers would be terrified to go round a blind bend on a national speed limit country lane to be faced with a horse going at its full speed!
The rules of the road allow for slow moving vehicles - the only time you can cross a solid white line is to pass a particularly slow moving road user."
Depends. On my road bike on some roads I can easily maintain a speed close to the 30mph limit whilst being in control of the bike.
Its not the cyclist doing 25+mph in a 30 zone that is generally the problem, its the driver with the MGIF (must get in front) attitude that is the danger; often breaking the speed limit & contravening the HC in order to get to the traffic jam ahead of the cyclist. |
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"At 6mph they are an unwelcome hazard on the highway.
I can't walk at that speed but I often walk on the road.
Horse drawn vehicles go at a similar pace - should they be banned?
People forget that roads were here before cars. Cars do not have a monopoly on road use and paying road tax does not mean that car drivers are entitled to more than any other road user.
There isn't a minimum speed limit on the majority of UK roads, however you can be fined for driving too slow if you are a hazard to other road users.
Slow moving person, tootling along at 6mph on the road is without doubt going to be a hazard.
That's true, but only true in so far as you need to progress in a safe manner without exceeding the safe capabilities of your mode of transport - cyclists attempting to maintain the designated speed limit for a road would certainly not be doing so safely and I'm sure most drivers would be terrified to go round a blind bend on a national speed limit country lane to be faced with a horse going at its full speed!
The rules of the road allow for slow moving vehicles - the only time you can cross a solid white line is to pass a particularly slow moving road user."
Achieving the designated or maximum speed limit is not the issue.
Why do police or highway agency stop persons causing a hazard or obstruction on the highway, whether it is stationary or slow moving?
Because it is dangerous to other road users. |
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over a year ago
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"Didnt know some are for road use! But yes you're right!"
Probably says a lot about uour driving. Particularly as they 'do your head in'
Maybe learn the laws of the road and respect other road users? |
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Road users of all types run red lights. I had a near miss yesterday with a car who ran the red light against me.
This is very true, however there are far more cyclists that think red lights don't mean jack to them. I remember nearly being flattened by a cyclist crossing at a green man, she had the cheek to shout at me "can't you see I'm cycling" my answer "can't you see a red light at a crossing you cock" his reply "it's for cars you 4 eyed cunt". If I'd been hit what do you think my chances of claiming off his insurance would be?"
It always amazes me the amount of people in and around London who slate cyclists fir red light jumping but bever notice tge amount of motorists who are guilty of the exact same thing usually following a line of slow moving traffic |
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Pedestrians are the most vulnerable of all road users, so their protection should be the highest priority. Motorists are pretty safe in their steel cages so should be expected to yield to the more vulnerable & exercise due caution around more vulnerable road users.
Its all about potential for damage/injury and managing that risk. |
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"Love the mobility scooters for those who genuinely need it for independent living... hate the mobility scooters for fat people too lazy to lose weight.
How has a thread about disabled people using the roads turned into fat bashing!"
Because it was about mobility scooters being used.. xx the clue was in the sentence. . So if people who genuinely need them are using them on the pavement I don't care... but if a lazy fat person is using it to increase their laziness.. I don't agree with that
.. is that ok for you xxx |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Love the mobility scooters for those who genuinely need it for independent living... hate the mobility scooters for fat people too lazy to lose weight.
How has a thread about disabled people using the roads turned into fat bashing!
Because it was about mobility scooters being used.. xx the clue was in the sentence. . So if people who genuinely need them are using them on the pavement I don't care... but if a lazy fat person is using it to increase their laziness.. I don't agree with that
.. is that ok for you xxx "
I'm not sure anyone would use one to increase their laziness. More likely it is a case of someone with mobility problems gaining weight because they struggle to exercise because of said mobility problems. 
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"Love the mobility scooters for those who genuinely need it for independent living... hate the mobility scooters for fat people too lazy to lose weight.
How has a thread about disabled people using the roads turned into fat bashing!
Because it was about mobility scooters being used.. xx the clue was in the sentence. . So if people who genuinely need them are using them on the pavement I don't care... but if a lazy fat person is using it to increase their laziness.. I don't agree with that
.. is that ok for you xxx "
What about people who genuinely need to use them using them on the road where the pavements are not suitable.
What with them being road legal and all... |
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Morbid obesity is still a disability, whether you think its about simple overeating or a symptom of far more complex problems is immaterial really. Are we 'really' saying that people with that type of disability should be barred from getting out & about because it annoys someone? |
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"Oh my word
There but for the grace of God etc
One day you'll all be old and might need one of these hideous machines
And maybe you'll be glad to have one
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And it will have a 250cc two stroke out of an Aprilia RS250 in it.
No one will complain I'm slowing them down ^_^ |
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"Morbid obesity is still a disability, whether you think its about simple overeating or a symptom of far more complex problems is immaterial really. Are we 'really' saying that people with that type of disability should be barred from getting out & about because it annoys someone?"
But it's a perfectly cureable disability.
Unlike say paralysis or crippling arthritis. |
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"Morbid obesity is still a disability, whether you think its about simple overeating or a symptom of far more complex problems is immaterial really. Are we 'really' saying that people with that type of disability should be barred from getting out & about because it annoys someone?
But it's a perfectly cureable disability.
Unlike say paralysis or crippling arthritis. "
100%... never feel sorry for someone who can do something about it.. only feel sorry for someone who can't. ... like people who say they are too skint to buy healthy food.. them smoke.. drink.. have pets and sky tv. |
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"Morbid obesity is still a disability, whether you think its about simple overeating or a symptom of far more complex problems is immaterial really. Are we 'really' saying that people with that type of disability should be barred from getting out & about because it annoys someone?
But it's a perfectly cureable disability.
Unlike say paralysis or crippling arthritis. "
Not always, it often can be a symptom of underlying clinical problems or a reaction to many forms of medication, especially those for the treatment of depression etc. Should those people be excluded from society because some people can't drive according to the rules of their license?
Obesity is a far, far more complex issue than simply overeating. |
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"Morbid obesity is still a disability, whether you think its about simple overeating or a symptom of far more complex problems is immaterial really. Are we 'really' saying that people with that type of disability should be barred from getting out & about because it annoys someone?
But it's a perfectly cureable disability.
Unlike say paralysis or crippling arthritis.
Not always, it often can be a symptom of underlying clinical problems or a reaction to many forms of medication, especially those for the treatment of depression etc. Should those people be excluded from society because some people can't drive according to the rules of their license?
Obesity is a far, far more complex issue than simply overeating."
Those medications don't magically produce fat, give you one hell of a sweet tooth an appetite but they don't make you fat
They can chose not to eat in excess and to control the sweet tooth with other things.
There is about 1 very rare condition that prevents people feeling full and causes them to eat almost uncontrollably but it's very rare so not the excuse most people read. |
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"There annoying, cyclists are the worst for holding up traffic. Went to swanage yesterday and there were loads of them blocking the narrow lanes. They should be free game to run off the road..wankers"
My daughter was knocked off her bike by some wanker in his car..and the prick just drove off without even stopping!
I've been taken out twice by wankers who don't even concentrate,and one of those wankers put me in a real life threatening moment...
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"Love the mobility scooters for those who genuinely need it for independent living... hate the mobility scooters for fat people too lazy to lose weight.
How has a thread about disabled people using the roads turned into fat bashing!
Because it was about mobility scooters being used.. xx the clue was in the sentence. . So if people who genuinely need them are using them on the pavement I don't care... but if a lazy fat person is using it to increase their laziness.. I don't agree with that
.. is that ok for you xxx "
My mother is fat but she also happens to have MS. Is she not permitted to have some quality of life and independence by using a scooter all because she's fat? After all, by your logic, she is also using it to increase her laziness.
Please remember that some people who have the misfortune of a disability also happen to fall into the category which you so obviously despise |
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"Love the mobility scooters for those who genuinely need it for independent living... hate the mobility scooters for fat people too lazy to lose weight.
How has a thread about disabled people using the roads turned into fat bashing!
Because it was about mobility scooters being used.. xx the clue was in the sentence. . So if people who genuinely need them are using them on the pavement I don't care... but if a lazy fat person is using it to increase their laziness.. I don't agree with that
.. is that ok for you xxx
My mother is fat but she also happens to have MS. Is she not permitted to have some quality of life and independence by using a scooter all because she's fat? After all, by your logic, she is also using it to increase her laziness.
Please remember that some people who have the misfortune of a disability also happen to fall into the category which you so obviously despise"
Hence we said.. those who need it.. This isn't x factor where everyone needs a sob story... The bit where we said those who need it would fall under the fact they have ms... don't jump on the pc bandwagon when there wasn't an issue to in the first place |
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"Love the mobility scooters for those who genuinely need it for independent living... hate the mobility scooters for fat people too lazy to lose weight.
How has a thread about disabled people using the roads turned into fat bashing!
Because it was about mobility scooters being used.. xx the clue was in the sentence. . So if people who genuinely need them are using them on the pavement I don't care... but if a lazy fat person is using it to increase their laziness.. I don't agree with that
.. is that ok for you xxx
My mother is fat but she also happens to have MS. Is she not permitted to have some quality of life and independence by using a scooter all because she's fat? After all, by your logic, she is also using it to increase her laziness.
Please remember that some people who have the misfortune of a disability also happen to fall into the category which you so obviously despise"
So exactly how did you read what he said as what you've responded to?
I'm genuinely curious if reading comprehension has gotten this bad or if you're just regularly delusional. |
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I don't despise fat people..I despise those who claim it as a disability in the cases where there is a cure... and the cure would be to stop eating and get some exercise. X |
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"Love the mobility scooters for those who genuinely need it for independent living... hate the mobility scooters for fat people too lazy to lose weight.
How has a thread about disabled people using the roads turned into fat bashing!
Because it was about mobility scooters being used.. xx the clue was in the sentence. . So if people who genuinely need them are using them on the pavement I don't care... but if a lazy fat person is using it to increase their laziness.. I don't agree with that
.. is that ok for you xxx
My mother is fat but she also happens to have MS. Is she not permitted to have some quality of life and independence by using a scooter all because she's fat? After all, by your logic, she is also using it to increase her laziness.
Please remember that some people who have the misfortune of a disability also happen to fall into the category which you so obviously despise
So exactly how did you read what he said as what you've responded to?
I'm genuinely curious if reading comprehension has gotten this bad or if you're just regularly delusional. "
So, we're resorting to petty name calling now all because my opinion does not match yours  nice! |
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Velma and shaggy.. we are not here to argue.. but I'd you read our post your points to us are agreeing with us.. so not quite sure why you would bring to our attention the fact that your mother NEEDS the scooter... we agree that those who NEED one should have one... you are trying to be pc correct without anyone disagreeing with you |
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"I don't despise fat people..I despise those who claim it as a disability in the cases where there is a cure... and the cure would be to stop eating and get some exercise. X "
I assume you take an equally simplistic and uninformed view on anorexics who clearly just need to eat more? |
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I think they are a godsend for people who can't get a round, but some are a fucking liability, especially in supermarkets.
I've known numerous people mowed down by one, one was an old lady and it broke her hip she became housebound after that
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"I don't despise fat people..I despise those who claim it as a disability in the cases where there is a cure... and the cure would be to stop eating and get some exercise. X
I assume you take an equally simplistic and uninformed view on anorexics who clearly just need to eat more? "
No.. because anorexia is a disorder. . Sheer laziness isn't. |
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"I don't despise fat people..I despise those who claim it as a disability in the cases where there is a cure... and the cure would be to stop eating and get some exercise. X
I assume you take an equally simplistic and uninformed view on anorexics who clearly just need to eat more?
No.. because anorexia is a disorder. . Sheer laziness isn't. "
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On a similar subject does anyone think it's ridiculous than when there is a cycle path available, it's not law to use it. It appears that cyclists with all the cycling gear feel it's below them to use them as they always seem to mess up traffic on the road. |
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"On a similar subject does anyone think it's ridiculous than when there is a cycle path available, it's not law to use it. It appears that cyclists with all the cycling gear feel it's below them to use them as they always seem to mess up traffic on the road."
No. They are often dangerously planned, poorly designed & badly maintained.
Would you use a road that was littered with street furniture, stopped & started at random, disappeared just where it was most needed & forced you to give way to every single side street on your journey?
Cyclists have the Statutory Right to public roads by case law, statute law & international treaty, & official advice is for faster cyclists to avoid using them.
Traffic congestion is caused by drivers not cyclists - one driver in one car takes up the space of six cyclists. If you really want to ease congestion you would want to see more cyclists on the roads, but that truth doesn't suit your preconceptions does it? |
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"I don't despise fat people..I despise those who claim it as a disability in the cases where there is a cure... and the cure would be to stop eating and get some exercise. X
I assume you take an equally simplistic and uninformed view on anorexics who clearly just need to eat more?
No.. because anorexia is a disorder. . Sheer laziness isn't.
And you honestly believe that people that are so obese that they have mobility issues are just lazy? "
No .. as I've said.. I honestly believe SOME people are... not sure how much clearer I can make that point? |
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"I do not have à problem with them however just incurred a £300 paint bill on my car after one crashed into it then failed to stop they should have insurance when I contacted the chap who had done the deed I was told to go f**k myself then they wounder why people get pissed at them mind you it's the same a cyclist we pay casts amount of money to have cycle lanes and paths built from our taxes and they do not bother to use them . They get knocked off and the car driver is at fault plus I wish they would just abide the law at traffic lights a red light means stop !!!
I await the flack now LOL "
As a cyclist I can tell you it is at times better to ride on the roads than cycle lanes, there is a very nice cycle lane along Brighton sea front that is nicely set out, then pedestrians, dogs, prams, kids using it as well. I am getting fed up dodging and them when using them, not to mention the 8 people I have clipped when riding on them. So I think I will use the roads, make sure though you as car drivers know the rules regarding meeting cyclists on the road. |
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I agree with others - observers won't know the causes of obesity, so it's unfair to lay blame. Most of us are also not medical experts and are ignorant of the complexities.
If users are road capable, scooters are illuminated appropriately and are road legal, then they have every right to be on the road, just as horses, bikes etc are too.
If it's otherwise isolation and increased ill health through being stuck at home, I'd prefer people to have some mobility. |
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"I agree with others - observers won't know the causes of obesity, so it's unfair to lay blame. Most of us are also not medical experts and are ignorant of the complexities.
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No everyone knows the cause of the obesity, excess calories in the diet.
The issue is why are there excess calories |
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"I do not have à problem with them however just incurred a £300 paint bill on my car after one crashed into it then failed to stop they should have insurance when I contacted the chap who had done the deed I was told to go f**k myself then they wounder why people get pissed at them mind you it's the same a cyclist we pay casts amount of money to have cycle lanes and paths built from our taxes and they do not bother to use them . They get knocked off and the car driver is at fault plus I wish they would just abide the law at traffic lights a red light means stop !!!
I await the flack now LOL
As a cyclist I can tell you it is at times better to ride on the roads than cycle lanes, there is a very nice cycle lane along Brighton sea front that is nicely set out, then pedestrians, dogs, prams, kids using it as well. I am getting fed up dodging and them when using them, not to mention the 8 people I have clipped when riding on them. So I think I will use the roads, make sure though you as car drivers know the rules regarding meeting cyclists on the road."
If a driver had hit 8 pedestrians I'd be asking how many years he got.
But apparently with cyclists that's the pedestrians fault.. |
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Not really ok, but when 6 of them were witness by a police officer. I stopped and asked how the person was, only to be informed that it was not my fault it was one of those things, just cyclist and pedestrians in close proximity with no proper segregation. |
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"Not really ok, but when 6 of them were witness by a police officer. I stopped and asked how the person was, only to be informed that it was not my fault it was one of those things, just cyclist and pedestrians in close proximity with no proper segregation."
Which is why shared-space cycle provision is pointless. Even when cyclists obey all the signage you will get pedestrians wandering over a painted line without realising or caring & without looking.
Those who don't cycle often whine about cyclists not using provided 'facilities' but fail to grasp that proper, decent & safe cycling facilities are not what is provided. A bucket of white paint is no substitute for the correct & needed infrastructure which is why many inexperienced cyclists simply don't ride & drive short distances instead; its why experienced cyclists refuse to use them. |
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"There annoying, cyclists are the worst for holding up traffic. Went to swanage yesterday and there were loads of them blocking the narrow lanes. They should be free game to run off the road..wankers
What a stupid comment. People with attitudes like your shouldn't be allowed to drive."
The words tongue and cheek should spring to mind maybe! |
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"I have no problems with the mobility scooters being on the pavement or road as long as there is space for them. My only pet peeve is the fact that they think that because they can travel at 8 mph they are entitled to do it everywhere despite the way not being clear. Many times have the back of my legs been bashed by them because they was travelling too fast or was impatient but there was no room to get past on the busy pavement.
It is the few spoiling it for the many like all aspects of life
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"Love the mobility scooters for those who genuinely need it for independent living... hate the mobility scooters for fat people too lazy to lose weight.
How has a thread about disabled people using the roads turned into fat bashing!"
Don't worry; It's moved on to cyclists bashing now. |
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"At 6mph they are an unwelcome hazard on the highway.
I can't walk at that speed but I often walk on the road.
Horse drawn vehicles go at a similar pace - should they be banned?
People forget that roads were here before cars. Cars do not have a monopoly on road use and paying road tax does not mean that car drivers are entitled to more than any other road user.
There isn't a minimum speed limit on the majority of UK roads, however you can be fined for driving too slow if you are a hazard to other road users.
Slow moving person, tootling along at 6mph on the road is without doubt going to be a hazard.
That's true, but only true in so far as you need to progress in a safe manner without exceeding the safe capabilities of your mode of transport - cyclists attempting to maintain the designated speed limit for a road would certainly not be doing so safely and I'm sure most drivers would be terrified to go round a blind bend on a national speed limit country lane to be faced with a horse going at its full speed!
The rules of the road allow for slow moving vehicles - the only time you can cross a solid white line is to pass a particularly slow moving road user.
Achieving the designated or maximum speed limit is not the issue.
Why do police or highway agency stop persons causing a hazard or obstruction on the highway, whether it is stationary or slow moving?
Because it is dangerous to other road users."
If the vehicle had been designated as fit for the road then it's aloud to be driven on the road. If it's top speed is 6mph by design then no magistrate or court would ever convict because the drive was not doing closer to 30mph. |
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"On a similar subject does anyone think it's ridiculous than when there is a cycle path available, it's not law to use it. It appears that cyclists with all the cycling gear feel it's below them to use them as they always seem to mess up traffic on the road."
The problem with a lot of cycle paths along the side of roads is that they are clearly not designed by cyclists. For example must cycle paths have to give way to side roads whereas the road does not. Often there is no clear boundary between the cycle path and the pedestrian path so pedestrians tend to wander in without looking.
If we want cyclists to use cycle paths then we need to design them for cyclists and to be a bit more than a white line painted on either the road or pavement.
Mobility scooter could then use them to. |
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"Not really ok, but when 6 of them were witness by a police officer. I stopped and asked how the person was, only to be informed that it was not my fault it was one of those things, just cyclist and pedestrians in close proximity with no proper segregation."
You hit 6 separate people in one incident?
Or a police officer witnessed you hit 6 people on 6 separate occasions? |
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Isn't it funny how any thread that cyclist get mentioned in always starts a mass slagging off of them, personally I think cars should be banned from the roads. Then pedestrians and cyclists would safe.
I get fed up cycling on the roads only to get cut up, left hooked or have a car door opened on me. Before some numpty says about riding on a cycle path, there are none where I was riding. |
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"............ we pay vasts amount of money to have cycle lanes and paths built from our taxes and they do not bother to use them ............
As a cyclist I can tell you it is at times better to ride on the roads than cycle lanes ............."
Just taken these parts of two posts.
All cycle lanes I`ve seen are sign posted with a white edged, blue circular sign. In the Highway Code, circular signs are those giving orders, thus a circular blue sign with a white border and a picture of a bicycle, as I read the HC, means that this is a compulsory route for a bicycle? If the cycle is narrow by design then perhaps it has been specifically designed to slow cyclists down? If the cycle lane is narrow through lack of maintenance, there are methods on contacting councils who`s responsibility it is to remove such obstructions or order land owners to remove them should they not be on council property (an overhanging branch for example)Or you could remove it yourself, leaving the debris tidily where it is safe if possible.
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Highway code has a lot of things in it that people ignore, like exceeding speed limits, driving while using a mobile phone, not giving cyclist enough of a gap when passing them, not overtaking cyclists at a pinch point in the road. |
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No cycle lane is compulsory, simple as that. You can look it up if you want.
Cycles have Statutory Right to public roads - with the exemption of motorways - so they cannot be compelled to use any cycle lane or route.
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Road users of all types run red lights. I had a near miss yesterday with a car who ran the red light against me.
This is very true, however there are far more cyclists that think red lights don't mean jack to them. I remember nearly being flattened by a cyclist crossing at a green man, she had the cheek to shout at me "can't you see I'm cycling" my answer "can't you see a red light at a crossing you cock" his reply "it's for cars you 4 eyed cunt". If I'd been hit what do you think my chances of claiming off his insurance would be?
It always amazes me the amount of people in and around London who slate cyclists fir red light jumping but bever notice tge amount of motorists who are guilty of the exact same thing usually following a line of slow moving traffic"
But I'm not crossing the road when that happens! Also should they get caught they get a ticket. Also most cyclist I see do this wouldn't hesitate to go through a red light straight into flowing traffic! There's a little difference between I can make it before light changes and fuck it I ain't gonna stop it takes me ages to get going again. |
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"6 people in 6 different incidences.
There are some great cycle paths, like along the A570 rainford bypass, cyclist don't use them as they are littered with broken bottles."
So you've hit 6 people in 6 separate incidents?
Are if you'd have done that in a car or a motorbike your insurance would be through the roof assuming you were even able to keep your license.
Why exactly where your riding in a manner that you were even in that situation not once but 6 times!? |
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"Highway code has a lot of things in it that people ignore, like exceeding speed limits, driving while using a mobile phone, not giving cyclist enough of a gap when passing them, not overtaking cyclists at a pinch point in the road."
Cyclist not stopping at red lights. Cyclists using the pavement for cycling, cyclists using a pedestrian crossing to cross. I'm not trying to cyclists bash as I also like to cycle it bugs me that cars park on cycle lanes. But there are lots of cyclists that give other cyclists a bad name. |
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"6 people in 6 different incidences.
There are some great cycle paths, like along the A570 rainford bypass, cyclist don't use them as they are littered with broken bottles.
So you've hit 6 people in 6 separate incidents?
Are if you'd have done that in a car or a motorbike your insurance would be through the roof assuming you were even able to keep your license.
Why exactly where your riding in a manner that you were even in that situation not once but 6 times!?"
I've walked along the front at Brighton and yes there are plenty of people who couldn't care less about other around them it's not easy for cyclists. |
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"6 people in 6 different incidences.
There are some great cycle paths, like along the A570 rainford bypass, cyclist don't use them as they are littered with broken bottles.
So you've hit 6 people in 6 separate incidents?
Are if you'd have done that in a car or a motorbike your insurance would be through the roof assuming you were even able to keep your license.
Why exactly where your riding in a manner that you were even in that situation not once but 6 times!?
I've walked along the front at Brighton and yes there are plenty of people who couldn't care less about other around them it's not easy for cyclists. "
So ride at an appropriate speed where you can safely stop or take evasive action, make your presence known through the use of your bell and pick a path that doesn't come dangerously close to pedestrians.
Not just repeatedly run people over.
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Dear lord!!!! Only hours ago I was in a duel carriageway coming to a roundabout. An old guy on a scooter suddenly appeared from in front of the stopped cars in the other lane. If I'd have been merrily dashing about like the twat who was up my arse for the last ten mins. He would have died. |
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
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"No cycle lane is compulsory, simple as that. You can look it up if you want.
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Really? So the Highway Code`s instructions on road signs is wrong! That`s what your saying effectively! |
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"No cycle lane is compulsory, simple as that. You can look it up if you want.
Really? So the Highway Code`s instructions on road signs is wrong! That`s what your saying effectively!"
I say they are not applicable to cyclists - its on the govt websites if you look. Cycle lanes are NOT compulsory, if you claim otherwise you are quite simply wrong. |
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"There annoying, cyclists are the worst for holding up traffic. Went to swanage yesterday and there were loads of them blocking the narrow lanes. They should be free game to run off the road..wankers"
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The Highway Code (rule 61) states that cycle lanes are not compulsory & use should depend on your level of experience.
I say this every time the subject comes up, but I will repeat it for the hard of understanding.
Cyclists - along with equestrians and pedestrians - have STATUTORY RIGHT to use the roads.
this comes from Case Law - Taylor V Goodwin 1879 which was enshrined into the Road Traffic Act 1888 & all incarnations since, & International Treaty, the Geneva Convention on Road Access 1968.
All these laws combine to give cyclists/equestrians/pedestrians the right to access the roads, all the information is freely available if you can use google.
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"6 people in 6 different incidences.
There are some great cycle paths, like along the A570 rainford bypass, cyclist don't use them as they are littered with broken bottles.
So you've hit 6 people in 6 separate incidents?
Are if you'd have done that in a car or a motorbike your insurance would be through the roof assuming you were even able to keep your license.
Why exactly where your riding in a manner that you were even in that situation not once but 6 times!?
I've walked along the front at Brighton and yes there are plenty of people who couldn't care less about other around them it's not easy for cyclists.
So ride at an appropriate speed where you can safely stop or take evasive action, make your presence known through the use of your bell and pick a path that doesn't come dangerously close to pedestrians.
Not just repeatedly run people over.
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Bells are not a legal requirement on a bicycle, I could say the same thing about car drivers giving courtesy to cyclists when they are on the roads.
Pot kettle black I think spring to mind. |
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Road users of all types run red lights. I had a near miss yesterday with a car who ran the red light against me.
This is very true, however there are far more cyclists that think red lights don't mean jack to them. I remember nearly being flattened by a cyclist crossing at a green man, she had the cheek to shout at me "can't you see I'm cycling" my answer "can't you see a red light at a crossing you cock" his reply "it's for cars you 4 eyed cunt". If I'd been hit what do you think my chances of claiming off his insurance would be?
It always amazes me the amount of people in and around London who slate cyclists fir red light jumping but bever notice tge amount of motorists who are guilty of the exact same thing usually following a line of slow moving traffic
But I'm not crossing the road when that happens! Also should they get caught they get a ticket. Also most cyclist I see do this wouldn't hesitate to go through a red light straight into flowing traffic! There's a little difference between I can make it before light changes and fuck it I ain't gonna stop it takes me ages to get going again. "
As a cyclist this makes my blood boil, yes I have after the idiot and told him of the error of his ways.
There are cycle routes that do work, but there needs to be better segregation between pedestrians and cyclists though.
On another note why should a cyclist not take the same approach car drivers take with them. For example they shouldn't be there, so they are fair game. Like one of the posts stated earlier on in this thread. I don't condone this view, but plenty of cyclists do in Brighton. |
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Road users of all types run red lights. I had a near miss yesterday with a car who ran the red light against me.
This is very true, however there are far more cyclists that think red lights don't mean jack to them. I remember nearly being flattened by a cyclist crossing at a green man, she had the cheek to shout at me "can't you see I'm cycling" my answer "can't you see a red light at a crossing you cock" his reply "it's for cars you 4 eyed cunt". If I'd been hit what do you think my chances of claiming off his insurance would be?
It always amazes me the amount of people in and around London who slate cyclists fir red light jumping but bever notice tge amount of motorists who are guilty of the exact same thing usually following a line of slow moving traffic
But I'm not crossing the road when that happens! Also should they get caught they get a ticket. Also most cyclist I see do this wouldn't hesitate to go through a red light straight into flowing traffic! There's a little difference between I can make it before light changes and fuck it I ain't gonna stop it takes me ages to get going again.
As a cyclist this makes my blood boil, yes I have after the idiot and told him of the error of his ways.
There are cycle routes that do work, but there needs to be better segregation between pedestrians and cyclists though.
On another note why should a cyclist not take the same approach car drivers take with them. For example they shouldn't be there, so they are fair game. Like one of the posts stated earlier on in this thread. I don't condone this view, but plenty of cyclists do in Brighton."
As a car driver I have no issues with cyclists apart from ones who won't move over when a car wants to pass the same as when a knob hear wants to overtake another car I would move over to let them pass. Also the cycling teams who cycle 2+ next to one another. Also cyclist who don't have lights or/high vis vests/jackets.
Lastly all road users need to be mindful of each other not just car, van or lorry drivers. |
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Road users of all types run red lights. I had a near miss yesterday with a car who ran the red light against me.
This is very true, however there are far more cyclists that think red lights don't mean jack to them. I remember nearly being flattened by a cyclist crossing at a green man, she had the cheek to shout at me "can't you see I'm cycling" my answer "can't you see a red light at a crossing you cock" his reply "it's for cars you 4 eyed cunt". If I'd been hit what do you think my chances of claiming off his insurance would be?
It always amazes me the amount of people in and around London who slate cyclists fir red light jumping but bever notice tge amount of motorists who are guilty of the exact same thing usually following a line of slow moving traffic
But I'm not crossing the road when that happens! Also should they get caught they get a ticket. Also most cyclist I see do this wouldn't hesitate to go through a red light straight into flowing traffic! There's a little difference between I can make it before light changes and fuck it I ain't gonna stop it takes me ages to get going again.
As a cyclist this makes my blood boil, yes I have after the idiot and told him of the error of his ways.
There are cycle routes that do work, but there needs to be better segregation between pedestrians and cyclists though.
On another note why should a cyclist not take the same approach car drivers take with them. For example they shouldn't be there, so they are fair game. Like one of the posts stated earlier on in this thread. I don't condone this view, but plenty of cyclists do in Brighton.
As a car driver I have no issues with cyclists apart from ones who won't move over when a car wants to pass the same as when a knob hear wants to overtake another car I would move over to let them pass. Also the cycling teams who cycle 2+ next to one another. Also cyclist who don't have lights or/high vis vests/jackets.
Lastly all road users need to be mindful of each other not just car, van or lorry drivers. "
So basically as long as they always give you priority and as long as they wear high viz and have lights so you don;t have to pat too much attention to see them then you have no problem with cyslists? |
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"There annoying, cyclists are the worst for holding up traffic. Went to swanage yesterday and there were loads of them blocking the narrow lanes. They should be free game to run off the road..wankers"
What a loveley example of humanity gone wrong.... |
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Road users of all types run red lights. I had a near miss yesterday with a car who ran the red light against me.
This is very true, however there are far more cyclists that think red lights don't mean jack to them. I remember nearly being flattened by a cyclist crossing at a green man, she had the cheek to shout at me "can't you see I'm cycling" my answer "can't you see a red light at a crossing you cock" his reply "it's for cars you 4 eyed cunt". If I'd been hit what do you think my chances of claiming off his insurance would be?
It always amazes me the amount of people in and around London who slate cyclists fir red light jumping but bever notice tge amount of motorists who are guilty of the exact same thing usually following a line of slow moving traffic
But I'm not crossing the road when that happens! Also should they get caught they get a ticket. Also most cyclist I see do this wouldn't hesitate to go through a red light straight into flowing traffic! There's a little difference between I can make it before light changes and fuck it I ain't gonna stop it takes me ages to get going again.
As a cyclist this makes my blood boil, yes I have after the idiot and told him of the error of his ways.
There are cycle routes that do work, but there needs to be better segregation between pedestrians and cyclists though.
On another note why should a cyclist not take the same approach car drivers take with them. For example they shouldn't be there, so they are fair game. Like one of the posts stated earlier on in this thread. I don't condone this view, but plenty of cyclists do in Brighton.
As a car driver I have no issues with cyclists apart from ones who won't move over when a car wants to pass the same as when a knob hear wants to overtake another car I would move over to let them pass. Also the cycling teams who cycle 2+ next to one another. Also cyclist who don't have lights or/high vis vests/jackets.
Lastly all road users need to be mindful of each other not just car, van or lorry drivers. "
Cycling 2 abreast (or even more) is perfectly legal, even the HC advice states that.
Two abreast is done for several reasons, the first is safety. It means an overtaking vehicle is in the opposing lane for a shorter period of time - you DO overtake correctly as per Rule 63 of the Highway Code don't you?
The second reason is safety, because so many drivers seem to be unable to grasp the concept of Rule 63 then riding two abreast is done to make sure the following vehicle overtakes correctly & cannot attempt a 'squeeze past' when oncoming traffic prevents a correct & safe overtake.
It is for these reasons (drivers inability to overtake safely) that Primary Position is taught by Govt approved training agencies.
Primary Position teaches cyclists to 'take the lane' - i.e. ride where the outside cyclist would be - when riding along narrow lanes, roads with parked cars, when approaching junctions* and traffic calming measures like pedestrian refuges.
*Because so many drivers forget that overtaking then immediately turning left is illegal that it is the No.1 cause of cycling injuries & fatalities. |
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
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"No cycle lane is compulsory, simple as that. You can look it up if you want.
Really? So the Highway Code`s instructions on road signs is wrong! That`s what your saying effectively!
I say they are not applicable to cyclists - its on the govt websites if you look. Cycle lanes are NOT compulsory, if you claim otherwise you are quite simply wrong."
Indeed, you are right and I apologise, but I`m also seething that many thousands of pounds are being wasted on schemes all around the country to give cyclists the safe infrastructure they constantly bleat on about, only for them to be dismissed on a whim because it doesn`t suit some cyclists to use them!  |
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"No cycle lane is compulsory, simple as that. You can look it up if you want.
Really? So the Highway Code`s instructions on road signs is wrong! That`s what your saying effectively!
I say they are not applicable to cyclists - its on the govt websites if you look. Cycle lanes are NOT compulsory, if you claim otherwise you are quite simply wrong.
Indeed, you are right and I apologise, but I`m also seething that many thousands of pounds are being wasted on schemes all around the country to give cyclists the safe infrastructure they constantly bleat on about, only for them to be dismissed on a whim because it doesn`t suit some cyclists to use them! "
Maybe if the people spending thousands looked at countries like Holland and created a decent infrastructure rather than ill thought out and disjointed schemes then people would use them? |
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"No cycle lane is compulsory, simple as that. You can look it up if you want.
Really? So the Highway Code`s instructions on road signs is wrong! That`s what your saying effectively!
I say they are not applicable to cyclists - its on the govt websites if you look. Cycle lanes are NOT compulsory, if you claim otherwise you are quite simply wrong.
Indeed, you are right and I apologise, but I`m also seething that many thousands of pounds are being wasted on schemes all around the country to give cyclists the safe infrastructure they constantly bleat on about, only for them to be dismissed on a whim because it doesn`t suit some cyclists to use them!
Maybe if the people spending thousands looked at countries like Holland and created a decent infrastructure rather than ill thought out and disjointed schemes then people would use them? "
Then you would just have to educate the road users in how to use it correctly. |
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A minor point but the Class 2 types are for pavement only and do up to 4mph.
THe Class 3 types do up to 8mph and are for road use. They have to have lights, sep brake indicators etc.
I have both (the class 2 type is one that fits in a car(called a boot scooter). Whilst not needed, I have insurance for both(£60 pa). The restrictions are put on by the government. |
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
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"No cycle lane is compulsory, simple as that. You can look it up if you want.
Really? So the Highway Code`s instructions on road signs is wrong! That`s what your saying effectively!
I say they are not applicable to cyclists - its on the govt websites if you look. Cycle lanes are NOT compulsory, if you claim otherwise you are quite simply wrong.
Indeed, you are right and I apologise, but I`m also seething that many thousands of pounds are being wasted on schemes all around the country to give cyclists the safe infrastructure they constantly bleat on about, only for them to be dismissed on a whim because it doesn`t suit some cyclists to use them!
Maybe if the people spending thousands looked at countries like Holland and created a decent infrastructure rather than ill thought out and disjointed schemes then people would use them? "
And maybe an awfull lot of these "poor" schemes have many constraints, not only budget but available space, environmental factors all of which may constrain attempts at providing the "perfect" cycle route. One such local scheme, a dual use footpath and cycleway on the path of a dis-used railway line, was complained about bitterly because it had the "wrong surface" according to cyclists. It wasn`t until the council pointed out that the surface specification was exactly as the funders of the scheme, Sustrans, had specified and was required as to slow cyclists to a speed that would be compatable to that of an enviroment where pedestrians would also be present! |
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Most 'shared space' cycling provision is nothing more than a white line painted onto a footway. Its not safe for pedestrians or cyclists & its simply a way of ticking a box at the end of the financial year for many local authorities.
The horrible truth is that most cycling infrastructure in this country is a waste of money, it is unused because it simply doesn't deliver what is needed - safe, functional transport links to places people actually want to go.
Get out of your cars & actually look at your local cycling provision, what do you see?
You will see badly painted white lines on pavements, lanes on roads that are too narrow to actually qualify as cycle lanes, lanes that stop exactly where they are needed the most, lanes that force cyclists to give way to every single sideroad and driveway along the route - unlike the perfectly legal road alongside it.
An example :-
Near me is a steep hill in a 30mph zone where the road drops down to cross a bridge.
There is a cycle lane.
As the road meets the bridge the cycle lane suddenly veers onto the pavement without any warning to pedestrians & is only a white line on the footway.
So, after directing cyclists easily doing 30mph into pedestrian traffic, it then veers back into the roadway, throwing cyclists back into the line of vehicular traffic without any warning to drivers.
THAT is why most cycle lanes are unused, they are unfit for purpose & often more dangerous than the road.
Question, if cycle lanes were actually fit for purpose do you not think many more cyclists would use them rather than mixing with vehicles? That is the question you need to be asking yourselves before ranting about arrogant cyclists not using cycle lanes. |
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"Oh my word
There but for the grace of God etc
One day you'll all be old and might need one of these hideous machines
And maybe you'll be glad to have one
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i do use one but all i say is ppl who ride them on the roads should have a valid driving licence and pay for a tax disc which they dont have to I know cos i have one |
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"6 people in 6 different incidences.
There are some great cycle paths, like along the A570 rainford bypass, cyclist don't use them as they are littered with broken bottles.
So you've hit 6 people in 6 separate incidents?
Are if you'd have done that in a car or a motorbike your insurance would be through the roof assuming you were even able to keep your license.
Why exactly where your riding in a manner that you were even in that situation not once but 6 times!?
I've walked along the front at Brighton and yes there are plenty of people who couldn't care less about other around them it's not easy for cyclists.
So ride at an appropriate speed where you can safely stop or take evasive action, make your presence known through the use of your bell and pick a path that doesn't come dangerously close to pedestrians.
Not just repeatedly run people over.
Bells are not a legal requirement on a bicycle, I could say the same thing about car drivers giving courtesy to cyclists when they are on the roads.
Pot kettle black I think spring to mind."
I don't know a single car driver who has hit 6 cyclists in 6 incidents do you? |
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Unfortunately the reason that mobility scooters often end up on the road are actually because of pavements .... A lot of pavements do not have drop down slabs on them or are quite a distance apart thus making it impossible for the disabled person to get off the pavement where they would like to .... Hence the reason some travel along the road , otherwise they would have to travel a considerable distance to enable them to get off the pavement ... Have a look next time you are out for a walk . I care for a lady who has to use a scooter ... She wants to go to the local community centre to attend a few classes as she gets lonely. It's approx less than a quarter of a Mile from where she lives but there is not one drop down slab on that side of the road , which means she would have to travel on the road to get there and is too nervous as it's quite a busy road...... So due to this she is unable to attend and feels more isolated . So have a heart not all disabled people want to be on the roads , sometimes they have no choice!!!! |
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"6 people in 6 different incidences.
There are some great cycle paths, like along the A570 rainford bypass, cyclist don't use them as they are littered with broken bottles.
So you've hit 6 people in 6 separate incidents?
Are if you'd have done that in a car or a motorbike your insurance would be through the roof assuming you were even able to keep your license.
Why exactly where your riding in a manner that you were even in that situation not once but 6 times!?"
I've repeatedly watched cars park in a specific double yellow line area, and watched lorries smash their wing mirrors off. Lorries were not at fault, are not at fault, and will continue to be not at fault for as long as there are people parking on double yellows and blocking the road for heavy goods vehicles. Maybe, as the cyclist stated, the six times that were witnessed and passed over by police actually were to blame on the pedestrians, and you, as someone with no facts, aren't in a position to criticise. |
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"Oh my word
There but for the grace of God etc
One day you'll all be old and might need one of these hideous machines
And maybe you'll be glad to have one
i do use one but all i say is ppl who ride them on the roads should have a valid driving licence and pay for a tax disc which they dont have to I know cos i have one"
Mobility chairs are electric, yes?
Exactly WHY would they then need to pay VED when they do not emit CO2? You do realise that Band A petrol engined vehicles pay no VED, so why would an electric vehicle?
Licences are required because of the vast potential for death/injury/damage caused by poor driving - can you show me the thousands of people killed each year by mobility scooters on UK roads please?
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"6 people in 6 different incidences.
There are some great cycle paths, like along the A570 rainford bypass, cyclist don't use them as they are littered with broken bottles.
So you've hit 6 people in 6 separate incidents?
Are if you'd have done that in a car or a motorbike your insurance would be through the roof assuming you were even able to keep your license.
Why exactly where your riding in a manner that you were even in that situation not once but 6 times!? I've repeatedly watched cars park in a specific double yellow line area, and watched lorries smash their wing mirrors off. Lorries were not at fault, are not at fault, and will continue to be not at fault for as long as there are people parking on double yellows and blocking the road for heavy goods vehicles. Maybe, as the cyclist stated, the six times that were witnessed and passed over by police actually were to blame on the pedestrians, and you, as someone with no facts, aren't in a position to criticise. "
TfL data shows that pedestrians are at fault in 60% of pedestrian/cycle collisions. 40% is too high, but its pedestrians causing the majority of collisions - perhaps they should require a license & wear a plastic hat & hi-viz? After all, they're the ones causing the problem... |
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I absolutely love them because it means people can get out and about when years ago they wouldn't have had that opportunity.
But they really need to make people take a test before they get set loose. |
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"6 people in 6 different incidences.
There are some great cycle paths, like along the A570 rainford bypass, cyclist don't use them as they are littered with broken bottles.
So you've hit 6 people in 6 separate incidents?
Are if you'd have done that in a car or a motorbike your insurance would be through the roof assuming you were even able to keep your license.
Why exactly where your riding in a manner that you were even in that situation not once but 6 times!? I've repeatedly watched cars park in a specific double yellow line area, and watched lorries smash their wing mirrors off. Lorries were not at fault, are not at fault, and will continue to be not at fault for as long as there are people parking on double yellows and blocking the road for heavy goods vehicles. Maybe, as the cyclist stated, the six times that were witnessed and passed over by police actually were to blame on the pedestrians, and you, as someone with no facts, aren't in a position to criticise.
TfL data shows that pedestrians are at fault in 60% of pedestrian/cycle collisions. 40% is too high, but its pedestrians causing the majority of collisions - perhaps they should require a license & wear a plastic hat & hi-viz? After all, they're the ones causing the problem..."
Only last night a pedestrian walking towards me on a cycle path (not sure what was wrong with the adjacent footpath) failed to see me cycling towards her as she was engrossed in a book that she was walking along reading and was unable to hear my warning as she had headphones in. |
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Why do police or highway agency stop persons causing a hazard or obstruction on the highway, whether it is stationary or slow moving?
Because it is dangerous to other road users."
The vast majority of those prosecuted for causing a hazard or obstruction are car drivers, including the number who park on pavements causing people with prams and those in wheelchairs, and mobility scooters to go on the road |
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