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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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Did anyone see the tiny news story the other day about the successful outcomes of the smoking ban?
A study has found that 11,000 fewer children have been admitted to hospital each year with lung infections. This boost to children's health is being attributed to the widespread ban on smoking in public places.
The research also found that the admissions for lower respiratory tract infections dropped by 13%, almost immediately.
With these data should the government now ban smoking in cars, with or without children?
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With kids or non consenting adults - yes. But on one's own, no way.
I've been cigarette free for 4 years thanks to vaping, don't ever a fancy a cigarette any more, but I'll fight for the rights of others to smoke if they wish, so long as there is no impact on anyone else. |
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Don't think I believe this, as a smoker the most noticeable place smoking is banned is a pub.
You can still smoke outside, in your own home and at present in your car.
I'm more likely to go with the idea that people are far more educated about smoking now and don't smoke round children, other people, in their cars. A lot chose not to smoke at all in there homes.
Awareness rather than the ban has changed things.
But can they prove these statistics, no.
They just want people to believe the smoking ban has done it.
Do I think smoking should be banned from cars? Yes I do, not only with children in the car its dangerous, if a lit end falls on the floor, someone bends down to pick a lighter up, fags flying back in through the window.
Signed a smoker
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over a year ago
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If your on your own no
If I buy a house or a car then its my rights to smoke in it if I want to
If other people who have to be there are on or in my property that's another matter
No you shouldn't smoke around kids or have a fag in your house if people who you have invited in are there, such as builders etc, if you want them in your home you should respect the fact they don't smoke |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I heard part of that news report
Impressive to hear  "
The researchers analysed over 1.6m admissions of children 14 and under from 2001 to 2012 to come to their conclusions. The ban started in July 2007 and the drop has been seen from this point on.
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The trouble with statistics is cause and effect or coincidence.
What I don't understand is how many children were exposed to smoking in pubs before the ban?
Plus, if anything, it's worse now, beer gardens used to be the private haunt of families, now they're wall to wall chainsmokers
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With these data should the government now ban smoking in cars, with or without children?
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I pay a lot of money to keep MY cars on the road and run them. I will smoke in MY car as much as I want wether it is banned or not. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"The trouble with statistics is cause and effect or coincidence.
What I don't understand is how many children were exposed to smoking in pubs before the ban?
Plus, if anything, it's worse now, beer gardens used to be the private haunt of families, now they're wall to wall chainsmokers
Mr ddc"
It's not just pubs though, is it? The ban has removed smoking from indoor public places.
Cause and effect are difficult to prove. I found the report interesting.
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over a year ago
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"The trouble with statistics is cause and effect or coincidence.
What I don't understand is how many children were exposed to smoking in pubs before the ban?
Plus, if anything, it's worse now, beer gardens used to be the private haunt of families, now they're wall to wall chainsmokers
Mr ddc"
Some savvy landlords have now made gardens for non smokers too because they understood that their gardens were not a pleasant place to be for non smokers
One of the big chains near us has made a gorgeous new garden |
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They have looked at a lot of data from the past 30 years up to 2013. 
But you also need to take into account medical advances over this time period, improvement in methods of care, improvement in advice given to people, and how medication has changed over this time as well. And how most methods of care involve focusing on stopping problems before they happen, and how some medications also do this.
I think smoking should be banned full stop, there'd be riots for a few days and severe nicotine withdrawal, but it's a useless waste of money. Also ban fatty foods, sugar, foods that aren't even food, and alcohol. Might as well.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its 2015 nobody should be smoking anymore its so 20th century. "
I agree the government should just ban tobacco products then raise the taxes on everything else to recruit the revenue they make off it  |
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It would be interesting to see figures on numbers of smokers over the same period.
It may simply be that because of the increased publicity and additional hassle, many parents gave up smoking completely. Either way the figures are good though
I can't think of a place our children frequented that would have had a significant quantity of cigarette smoke beforehand though, other than the homes and cars of relatives that smoked. |
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Smokers can be very selfish where exposing others to harmful chemicals. Smoking serves no purpose except for pleasure. If you want to smoke that's your choice but do it where others don't have to breathe in your exhaled fumes or the fumes from a burning cigarette. Ban people from smoking in entrances of any building,make them go up to the roof. I'm fed up with running my grandchildren through supermarket doors because some selfish cunt can't walk across the car park to a secluded spot. |
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"Smokers can be very selfish where exposing others to harmful chemicals. Smoking serves no purpose except for pleasure. If you want to smoke that's your choice but do it where others don't have to breathe in your exhaled fumes or the fumes from a burning cigarette. Ban people from smoking in entrances of any building,make them go up to the roof. I'm fed up with running my grandchildren through supermarket doors because some selfish cunt can't walk across the car park to a secluded spot."
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"Its 2015 nobody should be smoking anymore its so 20th century.
I agree the government should just ban tobacco products then raise the taxes on everything else to recruit the revenue they make off it "
I did like "as a government we are going to ban ALL legal highs, even where they don't lead to proven societal or health problems. But not tobacco or alcohol obviously" |
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"It would be interesting to see figures on numbers of smokers over the same period.
It may simply be that because of the increased publicity and additional hassle, many parents gave up smoking completely. Either way the figures are good though
I can't think of a place our children frequented that would have had a significant quantity of cigarette smoke beforehand though, other than the homes and cars of relatives that smoked."
A few people I know won't smoke in their homes when children are around,they don't care about my lungs though. I pointed out that chemicals aren't visible and travel quickly from room to room and are poisonous. In one ear and out the other. Don't care because I enjoy it attitude. |
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"Its 2015 nobody should be smoking anymore its so 20th century.
I agree the government should just ban tobacco products then raise the taxes on everything else to recruit the revenue they make off it
I did like "as a government we are going to ban ALL legal highs, even where they don't lead to proven societal or health problems. But not tobacco or alcohol obviously" "
I was going to comment on that topic, but not that arsed about poppers so didn't. But i agree, they are used and not proven to be that harmful (apart from to a few people who were physically defective already). So don't see the point in banning them, plus every time they ban something another version of it comes out - that no-one knows the side effects of so might be more dangerous, or not. |
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"Its 2015 nobody should be smoking anymore its so 20th century.
I agree the government should just ban tobacco products then raise the taxes on everything else to recruit the revenue they make off it
I did like "as a government we are going to ban ALL legal highs, even where they don't lead to proven societal or health problems. But not tobacco or alcohol obviously" "
Obviously
Moan about smoking all you like but it keeps other taxes down, without it food, energy bills, petrol (which incidentally causes more harm than fags in the recruiting of it and the burning of it in your cars) would be much higher
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Its 2015 nobody should be smoking anymore its so 20th century.
I agree the government should just ban tobacco products then raise the taxes on everything else to recruit the revenue they make off it
I did like "as a government we are going to ban ALL legal highs, even where they don't lead to proven societal or health problems. But not tobacco or alcohol obviously" "
That made me chuckle. It would have been braver to add to an exhorbitant tax to the legal highs and regulate them. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Smokers can be very selfish where exposing others to harmful chemicals. Smoking serves no purpose except for pleasure. If you want to smoke that's your choice but do it where others don't have to breathe in your exhaled fumes or the fumes from a burning cigarette. Ban people from smoking in entrances of any building,make them go up to the roof. I'm fed up with running my grandchildren through supermarket doors because some selfish cunt can't walk across the car park to a secluded spot."
The only thing I challenge on here is that smoking does serve the purpose of keeping the midge type bugs away. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Its 2015 nobody should be smoking anymore its so 20th century.
I agree the government should just ban tobacco products then raise the taxes on everything else to recruit the revenue they make off it
I did like "as a government we are going to ban ALL legal highs, even where they don't lead to proven societal or health problems. But not tobacco or alcohol obviously"
Obviously
Moan about smoking all you like but it keeps other taxes down, without it food, energy bills, petrol (which incidentally causes more harm than fags in the recruiting of it and the burning of it in your cars) would be much higher
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One of the most challenging places for our lungs is inside the car on a warm day. We have less exposure walking on a smoggy street.
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"Smokers can be very selfish where exposing others to harmful chemicals. Smoking serves no purpose except for pleasure. If you want to smoke that's your choice but do it where others don't have to breathe in your exhaled fumes or the fumes from a burning cigarette. Ban people from smoking in entrances of any building,make them go up to the roof. I'm fed up with running my grandchildren through supermarket doors because some selfish cunt can't walk across the car park to a secluded spot.
The only thing I challenge on here is that smoking does serve the purpose of keeping the midge type bugs away. "
Would a vape do the same and are they as poisonous? One of my regular friends has starting vaping and the aromas are lovely |
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"Smokers can be very selfish where exposing others to harmful chemicals. Smoking serves no purpose except for pleasure. If you want to smoke that's your choice but do it where others don't have to breathe in your exhaled fumes or the fumes from a burning cigarette. Ban people from smoking in entrances of any building,make them go up to the roof. I'm fed up with running my grandchildren through supermarket doors because some selfish cunt can't walk across the car park to a secluded spot."
Can't sit outside Costa with my lad for a drink coz we'll choke to death on smoke before I get halfway through my overpriced cappuchino!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The kind of knobs who smoke in the car with kids in there aren't going to stop because it's banned. Look at mobile phones while driving...so many people flaunt that law every day and there aren't the resources to fully police it.
I can see how the ban could have improved health outcomes. The amount of cigarette smoke that was in my hair, clothes and skin after a night out...If I'd then come home and hugged a baby or something there would surely have been some transference. |
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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Great news - can't but help think the ban should also extend to a 5 to 10m area around entrances to public buildings.
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quite agree its annoying trying to get passed a load of smokers crammed in a pub doorway also the amount of dog ends at door, im a non smoker they should have a room inside smokers only |
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Was in the pub trade many year,s never smoked got an enlarged heart through passive smoking customers blowing smoke in my face day in day out. Best thing that ever happened was smoking ban I love to fart in a busy pub giving these smokers a bit back feed up of fighting my way into pubs because of the ignorant pricks in the door way that wont move for you and blow smoke on you as you squeeze past them so all you none smokers just fart in crowded areas full of smokers |
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"Did anyone see the tiny news story the other day about the successful outcomes of the smoking ban?
A study has found that 11,000 fewer children have been admitted to hospital each year with lung infections. This boost to children's health is being attributed to the widespread ban on smoking in public places.
The research also found that the admissions for lower respiratory tract infections dropped by 13%, almost immediately.
With these data should the government now ban smoking in cars, with or without children?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Don't think I believe this, as a smoker the most noticeable place smoking is banned is a pub.
You can still smoke outside, in your own home and at present in your car.
I'm more likely to go with the idea that people are far more educated about smoking now and don't smoke round children, other people, in their cars. A lot chose not to smoke at all in there homes.
Awareness rather than the ban has changed things.
But can they prove these statistics, no.
They just want people to believe the smoking ban has done it.
Do I think smoking should be banned from cars? Yes I do, not only with children in the car its dangerous, if a lit end falls on the floor, someone bends down to pick a lighter up, fags flying back in through the window.
Signed a smoker
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You make a lot of sense. Nice to see. Also a smoker. |
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Glad it got implemented, stops you and your clothes from stinking of smoke after a night in the pub.
The Scottish government have banned it on NHS property entirely now, so patients cant stand at the entrance doors, complete with drip, puffing away. They have to go out into the streets to do it now. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Glad it got implemented, stops you and your clothes from stinking of smoke after a night in the pub.
The Scottish government have banned it on NHS property entirely now, so patients cant stand at the entrance doors, complete with drip, puffing away. They have to go out into the streets to do it now."
That'd be great if it were enforced. Pop up to Gartnavel, any hour of the day or night and count the amputees in hurly chairs, puffing away under the main door awning. |
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"It would be interesting to see figures on numbers of smokers over the same period.
It may simply be that because of the increased publicity and additional hassle, many parents gave up smoking completely. Either way the figures are good though
I can't think of a place our children frequented that would have had a significant quantity of cigarette smoke beforehand though, other than the homes and cars of relatives that smoked.
A few people I know won't smoke in their homes when children are around,they don't care about my lungs though. I pointed out that chemicals aren't visible and travel quickly from room to room and are poisonous. In one ear and out the other. Don't care because I enjoy it attitude. "
It's not a dont care because I enjoy it attitude. It's a your in my house attitude. I wouldn't dream of smoking in someone else's house if they didn't already smoke. I expect the same courtesy in my home. Having said that I do show consideration. I will limit the number of cigs I do have if u have company and will generally go into another room to do so. The effect is reduced despite what you said. On a side note I'm giving up this week. Going on patches. Wish me luck! |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"It would be interesting to see figures on numbers of smokers over the same period.
It may simply be that because of the increased publicity and additional hassle, many parents gave up smoking completely. Either way the figures are good though
I can't think of a place our children frequented that would have had a significant quantity of cigarette smoke beforehand though, other than the homes and cars of relatives that smoked.
A few people I know won't smoke in their homes when children are around,they don't care about my lungs though. I pointed out that chemicals aren't visible and travel quickly from room to room and are poisonous. In one ear and out the other. Don't care because I enjoy it attitude.
It's not a dont care because I enjoy it attitude. It's a your in my house attitude. I wouldn't dream of smoking in someone else's house if they didn't already smoke. I expect the same courtesy in my home. Having said that I do show consideration. I will limit the number of cigs I do have if u have company and will generally go into another room to do so. The effect is reduced despite what you said. On a side note I'm giving up this week. Going on patches. Wish me luck!"
Good luck.
On a side note the research started long before the ban. The findings are noting the significant drop since the ban. The education message has been around for some time. The ban appears to have acted as a spur for people to change behaviours more widely than just the pub. Ergo the research attributing the drop to the ban.
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Based on a friends kids who are in school there is now a big stigma attached at that age to smoking, it's not so cool anymore. With descriptions such as 'disgusting' and 'that's 6 seconds of their life' I find encouraging for a more informed decision if they do choose to take up ciggies when older.
One of the health awareness campaigns that goes beyond the 'it's not good for you' message. |
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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago
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in the shops 20 cigs are £9 on average so someone on min wage works hour n half ish to buy a packet, even the cheap ones are 6 quid, what good value for money they are lol, on a 6 day week they work a day just to buy their cigarettes, think I start lol |
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"in the shops 20 cigs are £9 on average so someone on min wage works hour n half ish to buy a packet, even the cheap ones are 6 quid, what good value for money they are lol, on a 6 day week they work a day just to buy their cigarettes, think I start lol"
This is the main reason I want to quit. |
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"It would be interesting to see figures on numbers of smokers over the same period.
It may simply be that because of the increased publicity and additional hassle, many parents gave up smoking completely. Either way the figures are good though
I can't think of a place our children frequented that would have had a significant quantity of cigarette smoke beforehand though, other than the homes and cars of relatives that smoked.
A few people I know won't smoke in their homes when children are around,they don't care about my lungs though. I pointed out that chemicals aren't visible and travel quickly from room to room and are poisonous. In one ear and out the other. Don't care because I enjoy it attitude.
It's not a dont care because I enjoy it attitude. It's a your in my house attitude. I wouldn't dream of smoking in someone else's house if they didn't already smoke. I expect the same courtesy in my home. Having said that I do show consideration. I will limit the number of cigs I do have if u have company and will generally go into another room to do so. The effect is reduced despite what you said. On a side note I'm giving up this week. Going on patches. Wish me luck!"
A very sincere good luck from me. I know it's hard to give up but people do it,not always at the first attempt. |
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"They have looked at a lot of data from the past 30 years up to 2013.
But you also need to take into account medical advances over this time period, improvement in methods of care, improvement in advice given to people, and how medication has changed over this time as well. And how most methods of care involve focusing on stopping problems before they happen, and how some medications also do this.
I think smoking should be banned full stop, there'd be riots for a few days and severe nicotine withdrawal, but it's a useless waste of money. Also ban fatty foods, sugar, foods that aren't even food, and alcohol. Might as well.
Don't agree with all the rest. They'll never ban alcohol. But smoking annoys me, I don't get why anyone would want to buy a packet labelled "smoking kills". It's unattractive and it stinks. BAN IT
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"Its 2015 nobody should be smoking anymore its so 20th century.
I agree the government should just ban tobacco products then raise the taxes on everything else to recruit the revenue they make off it
I did like "as a government we are going to ban ALL legal highs, even where they don't lead to proven societal or health problems. But not tobacco or alcohol obviously"
I was going to comment on that topic, but not that arsed about poppers so didn't. But i agree, they are used and not proven to be that harmful (apart from to a few people who were physically defective already). So don't see the point in banning them, plus every time they ban something another version of it comes out - that no-one knows the side effects of so might be more dangerous, or not."
poppers are banned? are they legal highs? |
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When I was a child my parents smoked indoors,all evening or weekends with all of us at home. We went to social clubs full of people smoking,to cinemas where people were allowed to smoke,to restaurants where people could smoke freely. There were plenty of places children were exposed to smoke. It's an adults responsibility to protect children from harm. If you had a vaporiser full of harmful chemicals you wouldn't walk up to a pram and squirt it in a baby's face would you. Exhaled cigarette smoke has harmful chemicals in but people will happily blow it out regardless of who is nearby. I hate walking behind someone smoking and inhaling their fumes,I cross the road. Not everyone has a choice to do that. |
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The Number of Pubs that have closed since the ban must also be considered a success for the Supermarkets ??
I would also suggest that the number of people that Now Stay in and Drink supermarket alcohol and may even sometimes smoke imported tax free ciggys and Baccy from dodgy people has Also probably considerably risen since the Ban as well ??  |
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"Anyone and mean anyone caught smoking in cars while driving should be treated same as those using mobilles."
I am troubled when I see a person using their mobile and driving, as the research proves it's highly dangerous. I don't know of any equivalent research for smoking, as a health professional would not see it taking any more of someone's cognitive capacity than brushing hair off their face, or simple automatic behaviour, the likes of which can often be done whilst someone is asleep.
And, with new laws, comes a responsibility for someone to police it. We've already seen mobile users getting away with it, so adding more stuff for the police to do would mean that police attention would be spread even more thinly, whilst we know that mobile phone use can be deadly, whilst driving. |
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"Its 2015 nobody should be smoking anymore its so 20th century.
I agree the government should just ban tobacco products then raise the taxes on everything else to recruit the revenue they make off it
I did like "as a government we are going to ban ALL legal highs, even where they don't lead to proven societal or health problems. But not tobacco or alcohol obviously"
I was going to comment on that topic, but not that arsed about poppers so didn't. But i agree, they are used and not proven to be that harmful (apart from to a few people who were physically defective already). So don't see the point in banning them, plus every time they ban something another version of it comes out - that no-one knows the side effects of so might be more dangerous, or not.
poppers are banned? are they legal highs?"
They will be under new legal high rules. There's a topic in either the swingers forum or the support one. |
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Would a vape do the same and are they as poisonous? One of my regular friends has starting vaping and the aromas are lovely "
The evidence so far indicates that exhaled vapour from vapes has no or negligible deleterious effects on third parties.
It's basically the same stuff they use to make the fake "dry ice" at gigs and shows (but pharmaceutical grade obv), with some nicotine and flavourings. The nicotine is mostly absorbed by the vaper, and is only present in minute amounts in the exhaled vapour. Nicotine is not the problem as in small quantities it has no adverse effects on health -it's present in many food stuffs. The issue is the 2,000 or so known carcinogens in smoke, which aren't present in vape vapour.
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"Anyone and mean anyone caught smoking in cars while driving should be treated same as those using mobilles."
So by that logic, anyone changing the radio station, inserting a cd, or touching their sat nav should be treated the same? All those activities require much more cognitive attention than smoking. |
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"Did anyone see the tiny news story the other day about the successful outcomes of the smoking ban?
A study has found that 11,000 fewer children have been admitted to hospital each year with lung infections. This boost to children's health is being attributed to the widespread ban on smoking in public places.
The research also found that the admissions for lower respiratory tract infections dropped by 13%, almost immediately.
With these data should the government now ban smoking in cars, with or without children?
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That is great news. Just a shame they dragged their arse for so long to introduce it. It should have been brought in many years before! |
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So many judgy people on this thread.
It's great that the harm to children has reduced, really.
But I am an adult and I pay more in taxes than non smokers, so if I choose to smoke OUTDOORS then I will.
Smoking isn't just for 'pleasure' as someone said, it's an addiction. Nicotine is THE MOST addictive substance on earth, so if you're not an addict, please stop preaching to those who are!  |
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"Great news - can't but help think the ban should also extend to a 5 to 10m area around entrances to public buildings.
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Ban cars as well. Major cause of asthma in children!!!! |
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I would love there to be a restriction on smokers around doorways and areas where there is no alternative but to walk through them to get somewhere... and maybe anywhere that children can see them smoke. There are still lots of kids starting smoking, I've not seen the figures but it appears to be on the increase. |
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"So many judgy people on this thread.
It's great that the harm to children has reduced, really.
But I am an adult and I pay more in taxes than non smokers, so if I choose to smoke OUTDOORS then I will.
Smoking isn't just for 'pleasure' as someone said, it's an addiction. Nicotine is THE MOST addictive substance on earth, so if you're not an addict, please stop preaching to those who are! "
So why did you smoke it untill you became addicted? |
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"anyone changing the radio station, inserting a cd, or touching their sat nav should be treated the same? All those activities require much more cognitive attention than smoking."
Probably not more than eating though, and that's illegal. From a purely legal point of _iew, if you do "anything" which distracts you from your driving, it would be classed as "driving without due care and attention" |
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"i work in engineering where there is welding and plasma fumes in the air so cant get why smoking is banned when all these fumes are far worse"
Because your employer will provide you with fully risk assessed and regularly checked ppe to negate any of those fumes.
People in the street however arnt given respirators to walk past smokers |
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"im a smoker and i wouldnt subject someone to.my.cigarette smoke if they were not ok with that and i would never smoke around babies or children however i cant help but think sometimes...i dont drive or own a car but drivers subject me to there exhaust fumes everyday..
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"Now they've found that 1 in 5 cancer deaths are linked to obesity, perhaps the obese will be forced to stand outside restaurants. . .
And watch the slim people inside eating."
No they should ban mcdonalds and other fast food chains as a starting point then the junk food wont be as appealing to kids, i love a maccy ds but id be better off without them there luring me in through there golden yellow arches....................*insert daydream here*..............see they should be banned |
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"Now they've found that 1 in 5 cancer deaths are linked to obesity, perhaps the obese will be forced to stand outside restaurants. . .
And watch the slim people inside eating.
No they should ban mcdonalds and other fast food chains as a starting point then the junk food wont be as appealing to kids, i love a maccy ds but id be better off without them there luring me in through there golden yellow arches....................*insert daydream here*..............see they should be banned "
They should make all fast food places produce healthier options too.... Most are trying. |
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"Now they've found that 1 in 5 cancer deaths are linked to obesity, perhaps the obese will be forced to stand outside restaurants. . .
And watch the slim people inside eating.
No they should ban mcdonalds and other fast food chains as a starting point then the junk food wont be as appealing to kids, i love a maccy ds but id be better off without them there luring me in through there golden yellow arches....................*insert daydream here*..............see they should be banned
They should make all fast food places produce healthier options too.... Most are trying."
Were i live its all greasy food, apart from one place which is actually really nice its all fresh healthy food, then theres like ten greasy fried chicken places all on the same street its ridiculous |
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"Now they've found that 1 in 5 cancer deaths are linked to obesity, perhaps the obese will be forced to stand outside restaurants. . .
And watch the slim people inside eating.
No they should ban mcdonalds and other fast food chains as a starting point then the junk food wont be as appealing to kids, i love a maccy ds but id be better off without them there luring me in through there golden yellow arches....................*insert daydream here*..............see they should be banned
They should make all fast food places produce healthier options too.... Most are trying."
sorry but if you balance your diet there's nothing wrong with McDonald's.
Yes it skews your macros but it's easy to balance them back for the day. |
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I don't smoke and totally agree with what you said, children's health comes first, however are we still living in a democracy ? If you don't have the right to smoke in your own car? |
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"I don't smoke and totally agree with what you said, children's health comes first, however are we still living in a democracy ? If you don't have the right to smoke in your own car? "
You don't have the tight to do crack cocaine in your car either.
Does that mean you don't live in a democracy? |
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"Anyone and mean anyone caught smoking in cars while driving should be treated same as those using mobilles."
That's just ridicules, there is no way anyone could argue that smoking is anywhere near as distractive as using a mobile phone. |
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"Anyone and mean anyone caught smoking in cars while driving should be treated same as those using mobilles.
That's just ridicules, there is no way anyone could argue that smoking is anywhere near as distractive as using a mobile phone."
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Why don't we just ban anything dangerous and has the possibility of harming children full stop, smoking is the first in the list, then your cars as in 2011 over 2400 kids we killed or seriously injured in road traffic incidents
What shall we ban after that.. Fast food, fizzy drinks which will keep our kids healthier and save the NHS money as obesity related care cost will go down...
People who smoke around children or non consenting adults should be arrested for assault, it really is that simple.
We do not need a new ban just enforce the law already there.
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"Why don't we just ban anything dangerous and has the possibility of harming children full stop, smoking is the first in the list, then your cars as in 2011 over 2400 kids we killed or seriously injured in road traffic incidents
What shall we ban after that.. Fast food, fizzy drinks which will keep our kids healthier and save the NHS money as obesity related care cost will go down...
People who smoke around children or non consenting adults should be arrested for assault, it really is that simple.
We do not need a new ban just enforce the law already there.
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Or let's look at that objectively.
Driving/vehicles are a requirement for modern life and noone intends to cause a crash/death they are accidents
Smoking is not a requirement for society and it is known to be poisonous and people aren't only breathing it in by accident.
If you wish to smoke fine, but why do it where others are forced to breathe it in?
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"I don't smoke and totally agree with what you said, children's health comes first, however are we still living in a democracy ? If you don't have the right to smoke in your own car?
You don't have the tight to do crack cocaine in your car either.
Does that mean you don't live in a democracy? "
Sure as cigarette as exactly the same effect on your brain |
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"Why don't we just ban anything dangerous and has the possibility of harming children full stop, smoking is the first in the list, then your cars as in 2011 over 2400 kids we killed or seriously injured in road traffic incidents
What shall we ban after that.. Fast food, fizzy drinks which will keep our kids healthier and save the NHS money as obesity related care cost will go down...
People who smoke around children or non consenting adults should be arrested for assault, it really is that simple.
We do not need a new ban just enforce the law already there.
Or let's look at that objectively.
Driving/vehicles are a requirement for modern life and noone intends to cause a crash/death they are accidents
Smoking is not a requirement for society and it is known to be poisonous and people aren't only breathing it in by accident.
If you wish to smoke fine, but why do it where others are forced to breathe it in
If"
again (not that i think people should be forced to breath in cig smoke) why should non drivers have to breathe in all the nasty pollution which comes with driving? |
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"Glad it got implemented, stops you and your clothes from stinking of smoke after a night in the pub.
The Scottish government have banned it on NHS property entirely now, so patients cant stand at the entrance doors, complete with drip, puffing away. They have to go out into the streets to do it now."
I think it's also banned on most NHS property in England to. |
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"I don't smoke and totally agree with what you said, children's health comes first, however are we still living in a democracy ? If you don't have the right to smoke in your own car?
You don't have the tight to do crack cocaine in your car either.
Does that mean you don't live in a democracy?
Sure as cigarette as exactly the same effect on your brain "
You don't have the right to be naked in your car either. |
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"Glad it got implemented, stops you and your clothes from stinking of smoke after a night in the pub.
The Scottish government have banned it on NHS property entirely now, so patients cant stand at the entrance doors, complete with drip, puffing away. They have to go out into the streets to do it now.
I think it's also banned on most NHS property in England to."
All nhs sites in Wales too. Doesn't stop people doing it though |
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"Why don't we just ban anything dangerous and has the possibility of harming children full stop, smoking is the first in the list, then your cars as in 2011 over 2400 kids we killed or seriously injured in road traffic incidents
What shall we ban after that.. Fast food, fizzy drinks which will keep our kids healthier and save the NHS money as obesity related care cost will go down...
People who smoke around children or non consenting adults should be arrested for assault, it really is that simple.
We do not need a new ban just enforce the law already there.
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You have the choice to feed your children unhealthy food and drink. Inhaling poisonous cigarette fumes or not isn't a choice,unless you wear a a gas mask or can hold your breath for long periods of time. Car accidents are just that,an accident. You wouldn't get in a car and drive into a playground full of children,but a smoker will smoke in an area where children can inhale,and adults come to think about it. |
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"It would be interesting to see figures on numbers of smokers over the same period.
It may simply be that because of the increased publicity and additional hassle, many parents gave up smoking completely. Either way the figures are good though
I can't think of a place our children frequented that would have had a significant quantity of cigarette smoke beforehand though, other than the homes and cars of relatives that smoked.
A few people I know won't smoke in their homes when children are around,they don't care about my lungs though. I pointed out that chemicals aren't visible and travel quickly from room to room and are poisonous. In one ear and out the other. Don't care because I enjoy it attitude.
It's not a dont care because I enjoy it attitude. It's a your in my house attitude. I wouldn't dream of smoking in someone else's house if they didn't already smoke. I expect the same courtesy in my home. Having said that I do show consideration. I will limit the number of cigs I do have if u have company and will generally go into another room to do so. The effect is reduced despite what you said. On a side note I'm giving up this week. Going on patches. Wish me luck!"
I'd recommend vaping. Works for me. Not had a cigarette for 10 months now. |
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"I don't smoke and totally agree with what you said, children's health comes first, however are we still living in a democracy ? If you don't have the right to smoke in your own car?
You don't have the tight to do crack cocaine in your car either.
Does that mean you don't live in a democracy?
Sure as cigarette as exactly the same effect on your brain
You don't have the right to be naked in your car either."
Why comparing the incomparable ??
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"Don't think I believe this, as a smoker the most noticeable place smoking is banned is a pub.
You can still smoke outside, in your own home and at present in your car.
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However, as a non-smoker I will say - it is noticeable in this country that less people smoke outside now.
I went to Paris recently and I was shocked at the amount of smoke I was surrounded by. All the time. It really does make you notice how clean and pleasant the UK generally is now. |
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By *az_1976Man
over a year ago
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Maybe the smokers in the world shouldn't be so selfish. I can't believe it took a ban to help. If you have children (or even if you don't) it's our duty to look after and protect kids) |
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"I don't smoke and totally agree with what you said, children's health comes first, however are we still living in a democracy ? If you don't have the right to smoke in your own car?
You don't have the tight to do crack cocaine in your car either.
Does that mean you don't live in a democracy?
Sure as cigarette as exactly the same effect on your brain
You don't have the right to be naked in your car either.
Why comparing the incomparable ??
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Please feel free to pick your own comparison you wish to take a mild altering substance that produces harmful byproducts in your car. People want to ban it when there are children in the car.
You say this isn't democracy. Feel free to say why you think it's a requirement of democracy for you to do this. |
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"anyone who smokes with a child in the car needs their head examined. "
I would have thought that examining the lungs of the kids to see what harm might be being done would be a better use of time and resources. |
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"Don't think I believe this, as a smoker the most noticeable place smoking is banned is a pub.
You can still smoke outside, in your own home and at present in your car."
I thought that too initially.
There's a very balanced re_iew on the NHS-choices website (google "Did the English smoking ban stop 90,000 children getting ill")
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"i work in engineering where there is welding and plasma fumes in the air so cant get why smoking is banned when all these fumes are far worse
Because your employer will provide you with fully risk assessed and regularly checked ppe to negate any of those fumes.
you dont know my company. its ok wearing air fed helmet but you dont wear it wslking around factory
People in the street however arnt given respirators to walk past smokers"
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"I don't smoke and totally agree with what you said, children's health comes first, however are we still living in a democracy ? If you don't have the right to smoke in your own car?
You don't have the tight to do crack cocaine in your car either.
Does that mean you don't live in a democracy?
Sure as cigarette as exactly the same effect on your brain
You don't have the right to be naked in your car either.
Why comparing the incomparable ??
Please feel free to pick your own comparison you wish to take a mild altering substance that produces harmful byproducts in your car. People want to ban it when there are children in the car.
You say this isn't democracy. Feel free to say why you think it's a requirement of democracy for you to do this."
I was stating that if government intrusively intervenes in ones privacy to ban one to smoke in the car when nobody is harm... it can not surely be a democracy
I totally agree with the ban when other ppl are concerned...however the thread asked if government should ban smoking in the car totally or only when children are concerned.
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"Why don't we just ban anything dangerous and has the possibility of harming children full stop, smoking is the first in the list, then your cars as in 2011 over 2400 kids we killed or seriously injured in road traffic incidents
What shall we ban after that.. Fast food, fizzy drinks which will keep our kids healthier and save the NHS money as obesity related care cost will go down...
People who smoke around children or non consenting adults should be arrested for assault, it really is that simple.
We do not need a new ban just enforce the law already there.
Or let's look at that objectively.
Driving/vehicles are a requirement for modern life and noone intends to cause a crash/death they are accidents
Smoking is not a requirement for society and it is known to be poisonous and people aren't only breathing it in by accident.
If you wish to smoke fine, but why do it where others are forced to breathe it in?
If"
driving is not necessary for modern day life at all, it is no more than a convenience. Public transport is more than fit for purpose. My point was we cannot just ban everything that is harmful and certainly do not need yet another useless prohibition law in order to stamp out smoking around non consenting people, the laws to stop people smoking around others is already there we just don't enforce it. Arrest and convict a few people for assault and people will stop doing it. All we are doing is making more work for an already overstretched police force and judiciary. If you are going to do something make smoking illegal full stop but that won't happen as it keeps government coffers topped up the same way drinking does and they won't ban that either. |
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"Now they've found that 1 in 5 cancer deaths are linked to obesity, perhaps the obese will be forced to stand outside restaurants. . .
And watch the slim people inside eating.
No they should ban mcdonalds and other fast food chains as a starting point then the junk food wont be as appealing to kids, i love a maccy ds but id be better off without them there luring me in through there golden yellow arches....................*insert daydream here*..............see they should be banned
They should make all fast food places produce healthier options too.... Most are trying."
Should we also ban steak and chips from all restaurants?
Or is it just when it's affordable for all that it should be banned; after all we know what's best for everyone don't we? |
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"Anyone and mean anyone caught smoking in cars while driving should be treated same as those using mobilles.
That's just ridicules, there is no way anyone could argue that smoking is anywhere near as distractive as using a mobile phone.
Ever seen someone panicking after they've dropped their cig/cherry in their lap?"
It still doesn't put it at the same level of distraction as using a mobile phone without hands free which is a constant distraction all the time it is being used. |
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"Glad it got implemented, stops you and your clothes from stinking of smoke after a night in the pub.
The Scottish government have banned it on NHS property entirely now, so patients cant stand at the entrance doors, complete with drip, puffing away. They have to go out into the streets to do it now.
I think it's also banned on most NHS property in England to.
All nhs sites in Wales too. Doesn't stop people doing it though"
Well I'm guessing that the argument that smoking is bad for your health just doesn't carry that much wait with people if they have already been told that have only 3 months to live because of prostrate cancer or something else non smoking related. |
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over a year ago
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"Don't think I believe this, as a smoker the most noticeable place smoking is banned is a pub.
You can still smoke outside, in your own home and at present in your car.
I thought that too initially.
There's a very balanced re_iew on the NHS-choices website (google "Did the English smoking ban stop 90,000 children getting ill")
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Thanks, I hadn't seen that piece and it backs up what I have quoted above from the pieces I have seen. |
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"Why don't we just ban anything dangerous and has the possibility of harming children full stop, smoking is the first in the list, then your cars as in 2011 over 2400 kids we killed or seriously injured in road traffic incidents
What shall we ban after that.. Fast food, fizzy drinks which will keep our kids healthier and save the NHS money as obesity related care cost will go down...
People who smoke around children or non consenting adults should be arrested for assault, it really is that simple.
We do not need a new ban just enforce the law already there.
Or let's look at that objectively.
Driving/vehicles are a requirement for modern life and noone intends to cause a crash/death they are accidents
Smoking is not a requirement for society and it is known to be poisonous and people aren't only breathing it in by accident.
If you wish to smoke fine, but why do it where others are forced to breathe it in?
If driving is not necessary for modern day life at all, it is no more than a convenience. Public transport is more than fit for purpose. My point was we cannot just ban everything that is harmful and certainly do not need yet another useless prohibition law in order to stamp out smoking around non consenting people, the laws to stop people smoking around others is already there we just don't enforce it. Arrest and convict a few people for assault and people will stop doing it. All we are doing is making more work for an already overstretched police force and judiciary. If you are going to do something make smoking illegal full stop but that won't happen as it keeps government coffers topped up the same way drinking does and they won't ban that either."
Public transport can barely cope as it is and isn't fit for everyone's purpose where time constructions are in place,especially when you have children. Do you often use transport in and around a big city? Even on the outskirts it's a nightmare getting around,even worse with children and shopping too. Cars are a necessity to keep up with modern life (although I don't have one at the moment). When I need to ferry my grandchildren around I borrow one and their parents are banned from smoking in it. I find it appalling that I have to tell my own children not to smoke around their own children. |
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"Why don't we just ban anything dangerous and has the possibility of harming children full stop, smoking is the first in the list, then your cars as in 2011 over 2400 kids we killed or seriously injured in road traffic incidents
What shall we ban after that.. Fast food, fizzy drinks which will keep our kids healthier and save the NHS money as obesity related care cost will go down...
People who smoke around children or non consenting adults should be arrested for assault, it really is that simple.
We do not need a new ban just enforce the law already there.
Or let's look at that objectively.
Driving/vehicles are a requirement for modern life and noone intends to cause a crash/death they are accidents
Smoking is not a requirement for society and it is known to be poisonous and people aren't only breathing it in by accident.
If you wish to smoke fine, but why do it where others are forced to breathe it in?
If driving is not necessary for modern day life at all, it is no more than a convenience. Public transport is more than fit for purpose. My point was we cannot just ban everything that is harmful and certainly do not need yet another useless prohibition law in order to stamp out smoking around non consenting people, the laws to stop people smoking around others is already there we just don't enforce it. Arrest and convict a few people for assault and people will stop doing it. All we are doing is making more work for an already overstretched police force and judiciary. If you are going to do something make smoking illegal full stop but that won't happen as it keeps government coffers topped up the same way drinking does and they won't ban that either.
Public transport can barely cope as it is and isn't fit for everyone's purpose where time constructions are in place,especially when you have children. Do you often use transport in and around a big city? Even on the outskirts it's a nightmare getting around,even worse with children and shopping too. Cars are a necessity to keep up with modern life (although I don't have one at the moment). When I need to ferry my grandchildren around I borrow one and their parents are banned from smoking in it. I find it appalling that I have to tell my own children not to smoke around their own children. "
big cities? You mean like where I live in london? Yes I do and lets be fair here a bus every five to ten mins to pretty anywhere in the city, trains every twenty so time constraints are not an issue, lack of planning is and children get free oyster cards so usually works out cheaper too, I personally do own a car and for most journeys I do use public transport because it is in fact generally quicker to jump on a train or bus in london rather than sitting in traffic jams. I tend to use my car for journeys outside london. Rural transport is not as good I admit freely but again it is all about planning. My wife does not drive however and does the shopping without one. Cars are convienient not a necessity millions of people manage perfectly fine without one. |
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"Why don't we just ban anything dangerous and has the possibility of harming children full stop, smoking is the first in the list, then your cars as in 2011 over 2400 kids we killed or seriously injured in road traffic incidents
What shall we ban after that.. Fast food, fizzy drinks which will keep our kids healthier and save the NHS money as obesity related care cost will go down...
People who smoke around children or non consenting adults should be arrested for assault, it really is that simple.
We do not need a new ban just enforce the law already there.
Or let's look at that objectively.
Driving/vehicles are a requirement for modern life and noone intends to cause a crash/death they are accidents
Smoking is not a requirement for society and it is known to be poisonous and people aren't only breathing it in by accident.
If you wish to smoke fine, but why do it where others are forced to breathe it in?
If driving is not necessary for modern day life at all, it is no more than a convenience. Public transport is more than fit for purpose. My point was we cannot just ban everything that is harmful and certainly do not need yet another useless prohibition law in order to stamp out smoking around non consenting people, the laws to stop people smoking around others is already there we just don't enforce it. Arrest and convict a few people for assault and people will stop doing it. All we are doing is making more work for an already overstretched police force and judiciary. If you are going to do something make smoking illegal full stop but that won't happen as it keeps government coffers topped up the same way drinking does and they won't ban that either.
Public transport can barely cope as it is and isn't fit for everyone's purpose where time constructions are in place,especially when you have children. Do you often use transport in and around a big city? Even on the outskirts it's a nightmare getting around,even worse with children and shopping too. Cars are a necessity to keep up with modern life (although I don't have one at the moment). When I need to ferry my grandchildren around I borrow one and their parents are banned from smoking in it. I find it appalling that I have to tell my own children not to smoke around their own children. big cities? You mean like where I live in london? Yes I do and lets be fair here a bus every five to ten mins to pretty anywhere in the city, trains every twenty so time constraints are not an issue, lack of planning is and children get free oyster cards so usually works out cheaper too, I personally do own a car and for most journeys I do use public transport because it is in fact generally quicker to jump on a train or bus in london rather than sitting in traffic jams. I tend to use my car for journeys outside london. Rural transport is not as good I admit freely but again it is all about planning. My wife does not drive however and does the shopping without one. Cars are convienient not a necessity millions of people manage perfectly fine without one."
And millions of people need a car to be able to fit everything into their busy lives. When I was married I coped without driving,it wasn't easy and cost me money in cabs for a big food shop trip. I use transport frequently and with children. I've stood at countless bus stops with them and had to move because of selfish smokers puffing smoke our way. |
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You don't have the tight to do crack cocaine in your car either.
Does that mean you don't live in a democracy? "
What a stupid comment. Crack cocaine is both illegal and sufficiently psychoactive as to be considered to impair cognitive and motor (sic) abilities.
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" driving is not necessary for modern day life at all, it is no more than a convenience. Public transport is more than fit for purpose."
For you maybe, but I'd face a 5 - 6 hour round trip to work by public transport, or 90 min by car.
I also run a band, so how do I get PA, lights, backline and instruments home on the night bus (if there is one), and then transport it from the bus stop to my house?
You obviously think the rest of the world has identical circumstances and requirements to yours.
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"Great news
Yes smoking in Cars for everyone should be banned
To :-
Stop the one handed drivers
Those who drop lit cigarettes
Etc
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It would be interesting to know how many deaths or serious injuries are caused by such things compared to that caused by people using mobile phones. I suspect a lot less. |
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over a year ago
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Smoker's son, 2, is to be adopted because of health risk.
A two-year-old boy living in a house filled with cigarette smoke will be placed for adoption because of concerns about his welfare.
A health visitor told a court in Hull there was so much smoke she had difficulty breathing.
The house was described as dirty and unhygienic and there were other concerns about the boy's care.
The toddler had breathing problems and had been prescribed an inhaler, the family court heard.
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"Smoker's son, 2, is to be adopted because of health risk.
A two-year-old boy living in a house filled with cigarette smoke will be placed for adoption because of concerns about his welfare.
A health visitor told a court in Hull there was so much smoke she had difficulty breathing.
The house was described as dirty and unhygienic and there were other concerns about the boy's care.
The toddler had breathing problems and had been prescribed an inhaler, the family court heard.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-32957100"
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"The trouble with statistics is cause and effect or coincidence.
What I don't understand is how many children were exposed to smoking in pubs before the ban?
Plus, if anything, it's worse now, beer gardens used to be the private haunt of families, now they're wall to wall chainsmokers
Mr ddc
It's not just pubs though, is it? The ban has removed smoking from indoor public places.
Cause and effect are difficult to prove. I found the report interesting.
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Very interesting report, I hadn't seen it. I would think the ban has encouraged people to give up. Not an effect that kids aren't allowed in pubs and didn't breathe it in.
Smoking in cars with kids shouldn't need to be banned, it should be common sense. So yes they would have to make it illegal before some will stop....
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"Smoker's son, 2, is to be adopted because of health risk.
A two-year-old boy living in a house filled with cigarette smoke will be placed for adoption because of concerns about his welfare.
A health visitor told a court in Hull there was so much smoke she had difficulty breathing.
The house was described as dirty and unhygienic and there were other concerns about the boy's care.
The toddler had breathing problems and had been prescribed an inhaler, the family court heard.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-32957100
Quite right too"
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This is on the surface good news, but actually represents a drop of something like 0.05% against population in the qualifying age range, we would need to know more numbers to see if it is statistically relevant.
The cause could equally be the increase in fuel prices as a percentage of a static or reducing income over the same period. Exhaust fumes are dangerous, which hits home when you see the advert of a car filling with invisible cigarette smoke, then watch traffic jams of parents driving their children a mile or 2 to school each morning with the air intakes of many cars being about level with the exhaust of the car in front. how about banning cars from a 1 mile radius of school gates?
No... hang on... I am in favour of reducing the population... scrub that comment lets make some germs, to poison the worms instead, eighth day and all that. |
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