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"Yes, massive majority! 1,201,607 votes to 734,300. That’s 62.1% yes to 37.9% no. " A pretty resounding result! | |||
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"How will that result affect the bakery if they wish too appeal against the decision made against them the other day . " The Bakery was in Northern Ireland, UK, Belfast - I believe and was due to our equality laws banning discrimination. Northern Ireland doesn't have marriage for gay people at present, so I wonder whether the ROI vote, and the fact they're going to be out of step with Ireland and the rest of us in Britain, will get it pushed forwards there. | |||
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"A shame. A lot of gay guys I know say that civil partneships are enough and a marriage should be between a man and woman. But guess this is the way of the world these days and its nothing to do with equality" The thing is, the UK civil partnerships weren't equal to marriage, they were similar - so it was having a second best legal confirmation of your partnership. Whilst some would be ok with that- you say your friends prefer that - then there are others who want a full match to a marriage. I think civil partnerships are still available for gay men and women, should they want them though. | |||
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"A shame. A lot of gay guys I know say that civil partneships are enough and a marriage should be between a man and woman. But guess this is the way of the world these days and its nothing to do with equality The thing is, the UK civil partnerships weren't equal to marriage, they were similar - so it was having a second best legal confirmation of your partnership. Whilst some would be ok with that- you say your friends prefer that - then there are others who want a full match to a marriage. I think civil partnerships are still available for gay men and women, should they want them though. " What is the advantage of a marriage? | |||
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"What is the advantage of a marriage?" Mostly tax / inheritance and child care rights really marriage is mostly important when you are no longer together for one reason or another | |||
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"What is the advantage of a marriage? Mostly tax / inheritance and child care rights really marriage is mostly important when you are no longer together for one reason or another" Doesn't the civil partnership thing cover all that? | |||
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"Still a lot of people that turned out to say no." Interesting comment! A diminishing number I hope.. With alcohol flowing &the Eurovision Song Contest on tonight I imagine it will be a very camp evening in Dublin.. Absolutely delighted with the news | |||
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Marriage is a legal union as well as all the church related stuff.
I am an atheist but also married. I prefer not to be married but legally it's my only options.
I'd prefer civil partnerships for all permutations of genders with full legal equivalence to marriage and for marriage to be for those with religious inclinations.
Whatever it's a huge step for equality especially in a country that "claims" such a strong religious and catholic nature | |||
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"Still a lot of people that turned out to say no. Interesting comment! A diminishing number I hope.. With alcohol flowing &the Eurovision Song Contest on tonight I imagine it will be a very camp evening in Dublin.. Absolutely delighted with the news" Why camp? I tnought it was about equality | |||
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"How will that result affect the bakery if they wish too appeal against the decision made against them the other day . The Bakery was in Northern Ireland, UK, Belfast - I believe and was due to our equality laws banning discrimination. Northern Ireland doesn't have marriage for gay people at present, so I wonder whether the ROI vote, and the fact they're going to be out of step with Ireland and the rest of us in Britain, will get it pushed forwards there." cheers for letting me know that i thought it was all off ireland . | |||
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"Still a lot of people that turned out to say no. Interesting comment! A diminishing number I hope.. With alcohol flowing &the Eurovision Song Contest on tonight I imagine it will be a very camp evening in Dublin.. Absolutely delighted with the news Why camp? I tnought it was about equality" ??? It is about equality..camp isn't exclusively gay... | |||
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"Still a lot of people that turned out to say no. Interesting comment! A diminishing number I hope.. With alcohol flowing &the Eurovision Song Contest on tonight I imagine it will be a very camp evening in Dublin.. Absolutely delighted with the news Why camp? I tnought it was about equality ??? It is about equality..camp isn't exclusively gay..." I didnt say it was but why should it be a camp evening in Dublin? | |||
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"I guess at some point in the future, the fact that gay people couldn't marry in these olden times, will be like us not appreciating how women weren't allowed to vote and it will seem like primitive thinking." You do realise men only got the vote 8 years prior right..? | |||
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"The Republic of Ireland's voters have voted yes, supporting gay peoples' rights to marry. Good progressive news!!" Agreed  you don't choose who you fall in love with | |||
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"A shame. A lot of gay guys I know say that civil partneships are enough and a marriage should be between a man and woman. But guess this is the way of the world these days and its nothing to do with equality The thing is, the UK civil partnerships weren't equal to marriage, they were similar - so it was having a second best legal confirmation of your partnership. Whilst some would be ok with that- you say your friends prefer that - then there are others who want a full match to a marriage. I think civil partnerships are still available for gay men and women, should they want them though. What is the advantage of a marriage?" I think it's just the whole thing of wanting what you can't have. | |||
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"A shame. A lot of gay guys I know say that civil partneships are enough and a marriage should be between a man and woman. But guess this is the way of the world these days and its nothing to do with equality The thing is, the UK civil partnerships weren't equal to marriage, they were similar - so it was having a second best legal confirmation of your partnership. Whilst some would be ok with that- you say your friends prefer that - then there are others who want a full match to a marriage. I think civil partnerships are still available for gay men and women, should they want them though. What is the advantage of a marriage? I think it's just the whole thing of wanting what you can't have." | |||
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"Still a lot of people that turned out to say no. Interesting comment! A diminishing number I hope.. With alcohol flowing &the Eurovision Song Contest on tonight I imagine it will be a very camp evening in Dublin.. Absolutely delighted with the news Why camp? I tnought it was about equality ??? It is about equality..camp isn't exclusively gay... I didnt say it was but why should it be a camp evening in Dublin? " It will be outrageous,the Queens will be screaming...lol | |||
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"I just don't get why there is a need to vote on this?! Surely it should just be a standard thing That they can marry if they want to? Everyone else can. I'm obviously missing something" It's to do with the law. You have to have a vote to change the law, unless it's something those in power really want (in that case they just change it lol). | |||
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" What is the advantage of a marriage?" Having the ability to marry allows you to have full equality, whatever the gender of your partner, rather than a civil partnership which has less rights and benefits, in England for example. I'm single and don't know the full differences, as done neither. The good thing is that it sends a clear message that all gay men and women are equal to straight people. The Irish constitution or law required this change to be voted upon, so makes it the world's first country to vote for it. | |||
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"What is the advantage of a marriage? Mostly tax / inheritance and child care rights really marriage is mostly important when you are no longer together for one reason or another" Dude! Is that seriously the size of your hand!? | |||
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"Still a lot of people that turned out to say no. Interesting comment! A diminishing number I hope.. With alcohol flowing &the Eurovision Song Contest on tonight I imagine it will be a very camp evening in Dublin.. Absolutely delighted with the news" Dublin constituencies averaged over 72% in the yes vote!! Cities voted yes above the 62%. Rural areas voted in the mid 50s in favour of yes. It was close in old rural catholic Ireland where you still can't kiss a girl before marriage. But shur they'll all be gone soon | |||
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"Br t its not equality and all things can never be equal. Can 2 men create a baby? Can 2 women? At 49 could I join the army? At 12 could my son get a driving licence? Could he get married? Why not? Can we all be rich? As a bloke can I play football for England ladies? Etc etc A marriage certificate doesn't make things equal " Makes it EQUAL for the gay community when it comes to love,,, hence reason I made point of saying where it made people gay or straight EQUAL in my last post | |||
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"Br t its not equality and all things can never be equal. Can 2 men create a baby? Can 2 women? At 49 could I join the army? At 12 could my son get a driving licence? Could he get married? Why not? Can we all be rich? As a bloke can I play football for England ladies? Etc etc A marriage certificate doesn't make things equal "   | |||
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"Br t its not equality and all things can never be equal. Can 2 men create a baby? Can 2 women? At 49 could I join the army? At 12 could my son get a driving licence? Could he get married? Why not? Can we all be rich? As a bloke can I play football for England ladies? Etc etc A marriage certificate doesn't make things equal " I suspect you would have voted no..however I think your missing the point.. | |||
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"Br t its not equality and all things can never be equal. Can 2 men create a baby? Can 2 women? At 49 could I join the army? At 12 could my son get a driving licence? Could he get married? Why not? Can we all be rich? As a bloke can I play football for England ladies? Etc etc A marriage certificate doesn't make things equal Makes it EQUAL for the gay community when it comes to love,,, hence reason I made point of saying where it made people gay or straight EQUAL in my last post "What has love to do with marriage? Can people not love without being married? Tell me the reason for marriage? | |||
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"Br t its not equality and all things can never be equal. Can 2 men create a baby? Can 2 women? At 49 could I join the army? At 12 could my son get a driving licence? Could he get married? Why not? Can we all be rich? As a bloke can I play football for England ladies? Etc etc A marriage certificate doesn't make things equal Makes it EQUAL for the gay community when it comes to love,,, hence reason I made point of saying where it made people gay or straight EQUAL in my last post
What has love to do with marriage?
Can people not love without being married?
Tell me the reason for marriage?"No one who chooses to be married have to justify their reasons for wanting to be married to anyone,,, yes people can be in love without wanting marriage,,, whichever way it's their business and no one else's | |||
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"Br t its not equality and all things can never be equal. Can 2 men create a baby? Can 2 women? At 49 could I join the army? At 12 could my son get a driving licence? Could he get married? Why not? Can we all be rich? As a bloke can I play football for England ladies? Etc etc A marriage certificate doesn't make things equal Makes it EQUAL for the gay community when it comes to love,,, hence reason I made point of saying where it made people gay or straight EQUAL in my last post
What has love to do with marriage?
Can people not love without being married?
Tell me the reason for marriage?"You won't get a straight answer. Just loads of people doing those eye rolling smiley faces lol. Equality, marriage, love. All entirely separate entities. People love the word equality, it allows them to absolve themselves of any real thought. They love it until money is mentioned, in that instance, one cannot have equality! Just shows how fickle people can be. | |||
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"Br t its not equality and all things can never be equal. Can 2 men create a baby? Can 2 women? At 49 could I join the army? At 12 could my son get a driving licence? Could he get married? Why not? Can we all be rich? As a bloke can I play football for England ladies? Etc etc A marriage certificate doesn't make things equal Makes it EQUAL for the gay community when it comes to love,,, hence reason I made point of saying where it made people gay or straight EQUAL in my last post
What has love to do with marriage?
Can people not love without being married?
Tell me the reason for marriage?
You won't get a straight answer. Just loads of people doing those eye rolling smiley faces lol.
Equality, marriage, love. All entirely separate entities.
People love the word equality, it allows them to absolve themselves of any real thought. They love it until money is mentioned, in that instance, one cannot have equality! Just shows how fickle people can be. "At last a realist | |||
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"Br t its not equality and all things can never be equal. Can 2 men create a baby? Can 2 women? At 49 could I join the army? At 12 could my son get a driving licence? Could he get married? Why not? Can we all be rich? As a bloke can I play football for England ladies? Etc etc A marriage certificate doesn't make things equal Makes it EQUAL for the gay community when it comes to love,,, hence reason I made point of saying where it made people gay or straight EQUAL in my last post
What has love to do with marriage?
Can people not love without being married?
Tell me the reason for marriage?
You won't get a straight answer. Just loads of people doing those eye rolling smiley faces lol.
Equality, marriage, love. All entirely separate entities.
People love the word equality, it allows them to absolve themselves of any real thought. They love it until money is mentioned, in that instance, one cannot have equality! Just shows how fickle people can be.
At last a realist "Damn those idealists who fought against slavery and for the vote for working men and the vote for women. Let the realists leave everything the same. The world is flat you know. | |||
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"Social control probably,but why not be pleased for women and men who had never had the opportunity to do it .." Think their coming across to me as anti marriage or maybe the fact gay people in Ireland can now marry just like straight people,,, either way nothing can wipe the smile off my face or the majority of the Irish people who are out celebrating tonight,,,, a big thing for this country and one that will go down in history for the Irish people xxx | |||
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"So in an 'ideal' world there should be no such thing as marriage" This thread is about the Republic of Ireland moving forward in allowing same sex couples the chance to marry..well done to the people in Ireland. . | |||
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"Proud to be Irish! " It's a great day to be very proud to be Irish | |||
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"Proud to be Irish! " Me too! | |||
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"Congratulations Ireland...!!! A wonderful, fabulous change in your history and for your people..! " xx | |||
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"Proud to be Irish! It's a great day to be very proud to be Irish "I'm all for marriage and glad its made some people happy even though the point of marriage has been missed. So whats next for 'equality'? | |||
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"Proud to be Irish! It's a great day to be very proud to be Irish
I'm all for marriage and glad its made some people happy even though the point of marriage has been missed.
So whats next for 'equality'?"Point of marriage is for two people in love to commit to each other for the rest of their lives. Traditionaly in the eyes of God now in the eyes of the law. It's not necessary to get married but some people wish to do so. Today in Ireland they have reached a landmark where the people in love now don't have to be the opposite sex. That is to be applauded. As to whats next for equality. Something that's not equal i guess. I think all that's straight forward but maybe it's just me. | |||
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"Wow such amazing news...The progress is astonishing..Two decades ago homosexuality was still illegal...fantastic,wish I could join you in Dublin tonight. Wonderful ..."  | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented?" The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. " And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously | |||
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"Proud to be Irish! It's a great day to be very proud to be Irish
I'm all for marriage and glad its made some people happy even though the point of marriage has been missed.
So whats next for 'equality'?
Point of marriage is for two people in love to commit to each other for the rest of their lives. Traditionaly in the eyes of God now in the eyes of the law. It's not necessary to get married but some people wish to do so. Today in Ireland they have reached a landmark where the people in love now don't have to be the opposite sex. That is to be applauded. As to whats next for equality. Something that's not equal i guess.
I think all that's straight forward but maybe it's just me."And a civil ceremony doesn't do that? | |||
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"Proud to be Irish! It's a great day to be very proud to be Irish
I'm all for marriage and glad its made some people happy even though the point of marriage has been missed.
So whats next for 'equality'?
Point of marriage is for two people in love to commit to each other for the rest of their lives. Traditionaly in the eyes of God now in the eyes of the law. It's not necessary to get married but some people wish to do so. Today in Ireland they have reached a landmark where the people in love now don't have to be the opposite sex. That is to be applauded. As to whats next for equality. Something that's not equal i guess.
I think all that's straight forward but maybe it's just me.
And a civil ceremony doesn't do that?"Yes but you didn't ask about that. | |||
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"Proud to be Irish! It's a great day to be very proud to be Irish
I'm all for marriage and glad its made some people happy even though the point of marriage has been missed.
So whats next for 'equality'?
Point of marriage is for two people in love to commit to each other for the rest of their lives. Traditionaly in the eyes of God now in the eyes of the law. It's not necessary to get married but some people wish to do so. Today in Ireland they have reached a landmark where the people in love now don't have to be the opposite sex. That is to be applauded. As to whats next for equality. Something that's not equal i guess.
I think all that's straight forward but maybe it's just me.
And a civil ceremony doesn't do that?
Yes but you didn't ask about that." fair enough | |||
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"A shame. A lot of gay guys I know say that civil partneships are enough and a marriage should be between a man and woman. But guess this is the way of the world these days and its nothing to do with equality The thing is, the UK civil partnerships weren't equal to marriage, they were similar - so it was having a second best legal confirmation of your partnership. Whilst some would be ok with that- you say your friends prefer that - then there are others who want a full match to a marriage. I think civil partnerships are still available for gay men and women, should they want them though. " Why aren't civil partnerships available for straight men and women? | |||
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"A shame. A lot of gay guys I know say that civil partneships are enough and a marriage should be between a man and woman. But guess this is the way of the world these days and its nothing to do with equality The thing is, the UK civil partnerships weren't equal to marriage, they were similar - so it was having a second best legal confirmation of your partnership. Whilst some would be ok with that- you say your friends prefer that - then there are others who want a full match to a marriage. I think civil partnerships are still available for gay men and women, should they want them though. Why aren't civil partnerships available for straight men and women?" That's a good point. | |||
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"I think its best to stick to old traditions." Getting wanked behind a bush in Penge is an old tradition? | |||
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"How will that result affect the bakery if they wish too appeal against the decision made against them the other day . " It will have no affect. The bakery was in Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom, the vote was in the Republic of Ireland aka Southern Ireland, a completely separate and independent country. | |||
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"A shame. A lot of gay guys I know say that civil partneships are enough and a marriage should be between a man and woman. But guess this is the way of the world these days and its nothing to do with equality The thing is, the UK civil partnerships weren't equal to marriage, they were similar - so it was having a second best legal confirmation of your partnership. Whilst some would be ok with that- you say your friends prefer that - then there are others who want a full match to a marriage. I think civil partnerships are still available for gay men and women, should they want them though. " Actually it was legally, for all intents and purposes, the same as marriage. The only difference being that a marriage has a paper record whereas a civil partnership has only an electronic record. There was also a slight difference in law if the union wanted to solemnified my a religious organisation. I personally feel that, under the law in the UK, equality of treatment was achieved by civil partnerships (not sure if they have those in Irish Republic). Not sure this is really the great move forward to a tolerant, liberal society that everyone seems to be saying. After all tolerance is not about getting everyone to say what you're doing is right but about letting everyone do what they believe to be right. | |||
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"What is the advantage of a marriage? Mostly tax / inheritance and child care rights really marriage is mostly important when you are no longer together for one reason or another" All those advantages existed (in the UK at least) with civil partnerships. So what extra does same sex marriage actually bring? | |||
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" What is the advantage of a marriage? Having the ability to marry allows you to have full equality, whatever the gender of your partner, rather than a civil partnership which has less rights and benefits, in England for example. " Civil partnerships has no less rights or benefits than marriage. If you know of any please say. " I'm single and don't know the full differences, as done neither. The good thing is that it sends a clear message that all gay men and women are equal to straight people. The Irish constitution or law required this change to be voted upon, so makes it the world's first country to vote for it. " | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously" We're not the moral police here. Is this point really relevant? | |||
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"Proud to be Irish! It's a great day to be very proud to be Irish
I'm all for marriage and glad its made some people happy even though the point of marriage has been missed.
So whats next for 'equality'?
Point of marriage is for two people in love to commit to each other for the rest of their lives. Traditionaly in the eyes of God now in the eyes of the law. It's not necessary to get married but some people wish to do so. Today in Ireland they have reached a landmark where the people in love now don't have to be the opposite sex. That is to be applauded. As to whats next for equality. Something that's not equal i guess.
I think all that's straight forward but maybe it's just me.
And a civil ceremony doesn't do that?
Yes but you didn't ask about that."Within the context of this thread I'd say it's asked by implication. Either way I'm asking it now. | |||
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"I have no issues with same Sex relationships. I know many people in such relationships,,,,, but if everyone ends up gay... The end of the world is not far away lol. Sorry just trying to lighten the thread "But at least we'll all be equal | |||
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"Just been watching a bit on the news about this.One lad pops up and says "its nice to have the consent of the whole of Ireland" Well not really as only 62% of those that voted actually voted yes." Maybe, but considering that, until recently, homosexuality was still illegal in Ireland it's a huge turnaround. | |||
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"The Republic of Ireland's voters have voted yes, supporting gay peoples' rights to marry. Good progressive news!!" I was so happy to hear this! | |||
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"A shame. A lot of gay guys I know say that civil partneships are enough and a marriage should be between a man and woman. But guess this is the way of the world these days and its nothing to do with equality" I know one married gay couple, the others think civil partnerships enough. Personally I don't think gay marriages are a good idea. Not too chuffed with women priests, women firefighters, single people adopting either to name but a few things I don't agree with...but that's "progress", | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously" I have, actually. | |||
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"The whole referendum was a farce from beginning to end. How can one possiblty say the people of Ireland have voted when huge numbers were not from Ireland but actually from the West Coast of America? Why was it that huge numbers of gay men in Ireland campaigned against "gay marriage"? This is simply another case of mob rule winning over democracy." Surely it's about equality. It doesn't mean that every gay couple must now get married, it just means they can if they want to. | |||
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Back ok topic, sounds like good news to me, positive progress. | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously I have, actually. " Fair enough. So you've foresaken all others then | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously I have, actually. Fair enough. So you've foresaken all others then" Maybe that wasn't part of their vows, don't have to use the traditional ones these days | |||
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"The whole referendum was a farce from beginning to end. How can one possiblty say the people of Ireland have voted when huge numbers were not from Ireland but actually from the West Coast of America? Why was it that huge numbers of gay men in Ireland campaigned against "gay marriage"? This is simply another case of mob rule winning over democracy." Not sure I get your point,'so huge numbers of gay men voted no' ,if we had a referendum on marriage in Britain,i would suggest huge numbers of heterosexuals would be against it,but surely this was progress in making a level playing field in the opportunity to wed should you wish? | |||
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"A shame. A lot of gay guys I know say that civil partneships are enough and a marriage should be between a man and woman. But guess this is the way of the world these days and its nothing to do with equality I know one married gay couple, the others think civil partnerships enough. Personally I don't think gay marriages are a good idea. Not too chuffed with women priests, women firefighters, single people adopting either to name but a few things I don't agree with...but that's "progress", " My perception of you has just altered greatly  I know you won't be bothered by that but still... | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously I have, actually. Fair enough. So you've foresaken all others then Maybe that wasn't part of their vows, don't have to use the traditional ones these days "True, but doesn't that then kinda miss the whole point of being married? | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously I have, actually. Fair enough. So you've foresaken all others then Maybe that wasn't part of their vows, don't have to use the traditional ones these days
True, but doesn't that then kinda miss the whole point of being married?"Not really.. | |||
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"A shame. A lot of gay guys I know say that civil partneships are enough and a marriage should be between a man and woman. But guess this is the way of the world these days and its nothing to do with equality The thing is, the UK civil partnerships weren't equal to marriage, they were similar - so it was having a second best legal confirmation of your partnership. Whilst some would be ok with that- you say your friends prefer that - then there are others who want a full match to a marriage. I think civil partnerships are still available for gay men and women, should they want them though. What is the advantage of a marriage?" You can day "these are my wedding pictures from the happiest day of my life, the day I've been dreaming about for years where I married the man I loved" Not "these are the pictures from my civil partnership where I was begrudgingly granted legal recognition of my relationship with my same sex partner" | |||
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"I have no issues with same Sex relationships. I know many people in such relationships,,,,, but if everyone ends up gay... The end of the world is not far away lol. Sorry just trying to lighten the thread "Why? You'd have to be pretty special to think that. I mean for instance we don't tend to let cows have sex to bread as it's risky yet we certainly seem to have a lot of cows... You really think people would just stop having children rather than sheila the lesbian going hey day you big gay fill this turkey baster up for me. | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild "If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild
If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules"Your right, ban divorce! !!! | |||
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"Why does there have to be an advantage to marriage? The fact is the gay community were excluded from choosing marriage over civil partnerships and now they aren't. If civil partnerships are still available and people are happy with those they can have them but if they want a marriage they can have that too now if they wish. How does this decision impact on anyone other than the couple that wish to get married? " In particular the last sentence. | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild
If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules
Your right, ban divorce! !!!"Hey good idea
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
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Luton? "and then the south wales valleys! | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously I have, actually. Fair enough. So you've foresaken all others then" I don't need to explain myself. I know what marriage means to me and what the important vows I made were, and I live by those every day. And marriage can be wonderful and beautiful and make my life better, and it has and does. | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously I have, actually. Fair enough. So you've foresaken all others then" Have you? | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild
If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules"I'm failing to see the point you are trying to make..do you actually resent the gays getting married now?is it something only a man and a woman can do? nothing stays the same,all things change,and the old christian ways are on their way out..i see it as a good thing. | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously I have, actually. Fair enough. So you've foresaken all others then I don't need to explain myself. I know what marriage means to me and what the important vows I made were, and I live by those every day. And marriage can be wonderful and beautiful and make my life better, and it has and does. " Well said Anna. You shouldn't even have to explain yourself. Xx | |||
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"How does a thread on the Celebration of Gay Marriage being granted in Ireland end up as a dissection of someone's marriage? Nobody recognises differing opinions and stances without the need to get on the defensive and start sniping. " Cause it's an argument with no rational basis so it's easier to just attack the person and their life. | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild
If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules
Your right, ban divorce! !!!
Hey good idea
Maybe then marriage might be taken a bit more seriously"Or people would be trapped in loveless, damaging or abusive marriages...but hey, as long as your ideal of marriage remains in tact that's all that matter huh. | |||
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"Still a lot of people that turned out to say no." I know!!! What's wrong with those little fuckers?! I mean there are people who married dogs, cats, Dolphins...goat?! yeah , that's correct....goat!!!
So...what's the problem with human wanting to marry human?
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild
If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules
Your right, ban divorce! !!!
Hey good idea
Maybe then marriage might be taken a bit more seriously
Or people would be trapped in loveless, damaging or abusive marriages...but hey, as long as your ideal of marriage remains in tact that's all that matter huh. "That is why I laughed when I said good idea | |||
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"The bible dont agree with it and its a shame old traditions will brake up cos of voters. " What does Bible say about swinging?  | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously I have, actually. Fair enough. So you've foresaken all others then Have you?" Nope. Never been married though | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously I have, actually. Fair enough. So you've foresaken all others then Have you? Nope. Never been married though" | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously I have, actually. " Yet you're on a swinging site to cheat on your husband  | |||
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"The bible dont agree with it and its a shame old traditions will brake up cos of voters. What does Bible say about swinging? "lol nothing about swinging it sais | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild
If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules
I'm failing to see the point you are trying to make..do you actually resent the gays getting married now?is it something only a man and a woman can do?
nothing stays the same,all things change,and the old christian ways are on their way out..i see it as a good thing."So taken to the conclusion lets change marriage then and put something else in its place. What shall we call it? | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously I have, actually. Yet you're on a swinging site to cheat on your husband "As I've already said above, I don't need to explain myself or my situation. But since my presence seems to be taking the thread way off track I'm off. | |||
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"So taken to the conclusion lets change marriage then and put something else in its place. What shall we call it?" I vote that we change Wedding to Welding (joining 2 things together quite permanently) and Marriage to Manage (as in a joint management of affairs) this will help card sellers as they will still fit into the same area of the alphabetical storage units | |||
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"The Republic of Ireland's voters have voted yes, supporting gay peoples' rights to marry. Good progressive news!!" Agreed. And all those gay husbands to cheat with. No, wait, you mean that isn't the point? | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild
If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules
I'm failing to see the point you are trying to make..do you actually resent the gays getting married now?is it something only a man and a woman can do?
nothing stays the same,all things change,and the old christian ways are on their way out..i see it as a good thing.
So taken to the conclusion lets change
marriage then and put something else in its place. What shall we call it?"Why change the word?I'm no linguist.not even sure how to create a new word,an easier option is to change its definition somewhat to include a few more groups.which is what's happening.job done.progress.. Not everyone will like it..oh well. The two hetro Catholics getting married tomorrow cause they love each other,and want to fuck legally will realise that nothing has changed for them when they sign the dotted line. | |||
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"So taken to the conclusion lets change marriage then and put something else in its place. What shall we call it? I vote that we change Wedding to Welding (joining 2 things together quite permanently) and Marriage to Manage (as in a joint management of affairs) this will help card sellers as they will still fit into the same area of the alphabetical storage units "Genius! | |||
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"The bible dont agree with it and its a shame old traditions will brake up cos of voters. " Yet you have stated meeting married women behind their husband's back is what you like in the past. If you loved someone and they returned that love wouldn't it be unfair for you not to be able to do what the vast majority do just because you don't fit the traditional model? No rights have been taken away from anyone else yet people seem to think that progress and achieving any sort of equality is a bad thing. Without that same level of change in attitudes we'd all be being stoned right now. We engage in activities that most people find outside the norm. And just because you might keep it secret from your nearest and dearest and don't want a social sanction for it doesn't mean it isn't happening. If found out I hope you're all happy to be judged and treated differently, even though you're not breaking the law. Equality for me but not for you is a concept I just don't understand. | |||
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"Im not an expert on marriage, partnerships or law, but one key difference from the start is pension rights, where civils have had less favourable conditions than if married. " As I understand it the difference in pension rights between marriage and CP is that in CP the surviving partner is always treated as a surviving man regardless of the sex of either partner. In the UK the same rules now apply for same sex marriage as applied for CP. | |||
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"Excellent news for those who want to get married! Gay weddings always seem more fun! Excellent news for divorce lawyers who now have a new client base too! " You're such a cynic. | |||
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"The whole referendum was a farce from beginning to end. How can one possiblty say the people of Ireland have voted when huge numbers were not from Ireland but actually from the West Coast of America? Why was it that huge numbers of gay men in Ireland campaigned against "gay marriage"? This is simply another case of mob rule winning over democracy. Surely it's about equality. It doesn't mean that every gay couple must now get married, it just means they can if they want to." Whilst not being opposed to same sex marriage I honestly feel that equality under the law was achieved by CP. | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously I have, actually. Fair enough. So you've foresaken all others then Maybe that wasn't part of their vows, don't have to use the traditional ones these days "Also totally irrelevant to this thread and completely non of anyone else's business. | |||
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"Why does there have to be an advantage to marriage? The fact is the gay community were excluded from choosing marriage over civil partnerships and now they aren't. If civil partnerships are still available and people are happy with those they can have them but if they want a marriage they can have that too now if they wish. How does this decision impact on anyone other than the couple that wish to get married? " It impacts on every one who is married and previously believed that marriage was a union between a man and woman. It fundamentally changes the very nature of marriage. | |||
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"The whole referendum was a farce from beginning to end. How can one possiblty say the people of Ireland have voted when huge numbers were not from Ireland but actually from the West Coast of America? Why was it that huge numbers of gay men in Ireland campaigned against "gay marriage"? This is simply another case of mob rule winning over democracy. Surely it's about equality. It doesn't mean that every gay couple must now get married, it just means they can if they want to. Whilst not being opposed to same sex marriage I honestly feel that equality under the law was achieved by CP." Ireland never had Cp though. | |||
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"Why does there have to be an advantage to marriage? The fact is the gay community were excluded from choosing marriage over civil partnerships and now they aren't. If civil partnerships are still available and people are happy with those they can have them but if they want a marriage they can have that too now if they wish. How does this decision impact on anyone other than the couple that wish to get married? It impacts on every one who is married and previously believed that marriage was a union between a man and woman. It fundamentally changes the very nature of marriage." How does it? Does it make you believe in your marriage less? Does it alter the love you have for your spouse? Does it invalidate your marriage certificate? I really cannot see how it impacts anything. | |||
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"So much bitterness on this thread.lmao... As swingers we are getting married next year..not having no paedo priest or any god shite in it though,and I'm getting property of Neil tattooed on Caths arse.. "With the possible exception of one poster I've not picked up on any bitterness so far on this thread. People are just laying out their thoughts on the issue. | |||
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"A shame. A lot of gay guys I know say that civil partneships are enough and a marriage should be between a man and woman. But guess this is the way of the world these days and its nothing to do with equality The thing is, the UK civil partnerships weren't equal to marriage, they were similar - so it was having a second best legal confirmation of your partnership. Whilst some would be ok with that- you say your friends prefer that - then there are others who want a full match to a marriage. I think civil partnerships are still available for gay men and women, should they want them though. What is the advantage of a marriage? You can day "these are my wedding pictures from the happiest day of my life, the day I've been dreaming about for years where I married the man I loved" Not "these are the pictures from my civil partnership where I was begrudgingly granted legal recognition of my relationship with my same sex partner"" I don't think that was ever the case. | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild
If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules
I'm failing to see the point you are trying to make..do you actually resent the gays getting married now?is it something only a man and a woman can do?
"Would that be such a shock. It was one of the dictionary definitions of marriage until quite recently. " nothing stays the same,all things change,and the old christian ways are on their way out..i see it as a good thing." I think you'll probably end up pretty disappointed on this. | |||
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"How does a thread on the Celebration of Gay Marriage being granted in Ireland end up as a dissection of someone's marriage? Nobody recognises differing opinions and stances without the need to get on the defensive and start sniping. " Well said. | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously I have, actually. Fair enough. So you've foresaken all others then I don't need to explain myself. I know what marriage means to me and what the important vows I made were, and I live by those every day. And marriage can be wonderful and beautiful and make my life better, and it has and does. Well said Anna. You shouldn't even have to explain yourself. Xx" | |||
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"So much bitterness on this thread.lmao... As swingers we are getting married next year..not having no paedo priest or any god shite in it though,and I'm getting property of Neil tattooed on Caths arse..
With the possible exception of one poster I've not picked up on any bitterness so far on this thread. People are just laying out their thoughts on the issue."Some people struggle wih the concept of people having different opinions to their own. | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? The reason it was invented has nothing to do with the reason I chose to get married. And I'm sure you've talen your vows seriously I have, actually. Yet you're on a swinging site to cheat on your husband "Yet again totally irrelevant to this thread and non of your dam business!!
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Yet someone talked me into it....Bloody society
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"Can we not just celebrate this historic moment and leave the bible quotes/queer bashing for another day? I say again WELL DONE to you all in the Republic of Ireland.." I haven't seen any queer bashing on this thread so far. Have I missed something? | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild
If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules
I'm failing to see the point you are trying to make..do you actually resent the gays getting married now?is it something only a man and a woman can do?
nothing stays the same,all things change,and the old christian ways are on their way out..i see it as a good thing.
So taken to the conclusion lets change
marriage then and put something else in its place. What shall we call it?"Why not call it Civil Partnerships!! Just a passing thought! | |||
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" I know one married gay couple, the others think civil partnerships enough. " Imo Civil partnerships would have been a fine compromise - right up unttil the point when one couple discovered they could try to discriminate against a gay couple by saying that they only allow 'married' couples share a room. Then it was obvious we needed to go the extra mile. Well done Ireland. (Sorry if I'm a little late to the debate - I assumed this thread was simply going to be a long list of people saying 'well done' )
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"Why does there have to be an advantage to marriage? The fact is the gay community were excluded from choosing marriage over civil partnerships and now they aren't. If civil partnerships are still available and people are happy with those they can have them but if they want a marriage they can have that too now if they wish. How does this decision impact on anyone other than the couple that wish to get married? It impacts on every one who is married and previously believed that marriage was a union between a man and woman. It fundamentally changes the very nature of marriage. How does it? Does it make you believe in your marriage less? Does it alter the love you have for your spouse? Does it invalidate your marriage certificate? I really cannot see how it impacts anything. " Firstly this is not about me or any marriage I may have or have had. But to answer your point. If you change the meaning of the word marriage from being a union between a man and a woman to being a union between any two people then you have fundamentally changed what marriage actually is in the eyes of many people. If that is not actually the case then why is actually having same sex marriage seen as such a massive step forward by those who support it. Let me be absolutely clear. I'm not opposed to same sex marriage but I feel legally, in the UK this was achieved in the UK by CP. I have a slight dislike of the change in the meaning of the word marriage from being a union between a man and a woman to being a union between any two people (it feels a bit Orwellian to me) but not enough to actually oppose it. | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild
If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules
I'm failing to see the point you are trying to make..do you actually resent the gays getting married now?is it something only a man and a woman can do?
nothing stays the same,all things change,and the old christian ways are on their way out..i see it as a good thing.
So taken to the conclusion lets change
marriage then and put something else in its place. What shall we call it?
Why change the word?I'm no linguist.not even sure how to create a new word,an easier option is to change its definition somewhat to include a few more groups.which is what's happening.job done.progress..
Not everyone will like it..oh well.
The two hetro Catholics getting married tomorrow cause they love each other,and want to fuck legally will realise that nothing has changed for them when they sign the dotted line.
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"Why does there have to be an advantage to marriage? The fact is the gay community were excluded from choosing marriage over civil partnerships and now they aren't. If civil partnerships are still available and people are happy with those they can have them but if they want a marriage they can have that too now if they wish. How does this decision impact on anyone other than the couple that wish to get married? It impacts on every one who is married and previously believed that marriage was a union between a man and woman. It fundamentally changes the very nature of marriage. How does it? Does it make you believe in your marriage less? Does it alter the love you have for your spouse? Does it invalidate your marriage certificate? I really cannot see how it impacts anything. Firstly this is not about me or any marriage I may have or have had. But to answer your point. If you change the meaning of the word marriage from being a union between a man and a woman to being a union between any two people then you have fundamentally changed what marriage actually is in the eyes of many people. If that is not actually the case then why is actually having same sex marriage seen as such a massive step forward by those who support it. Let me be absolutely clear. I'm not opposed to same sex marriage but I feel legally, in the UK this was achieved in the UK by CP. I have a slight dislike of the change in the meaning of the word marriage from being a union between a man and a woman to being a union between any two people (it feels a bit Orwellian to me) but not enough to actually oppose it. " Nope, still not getting it. The main word in you definition of the word marriage is union....between whom is irrelevant. It seems very discriminatory to say that only a man and a woman can have a union, gay people must only have a partnership. I'm not intelligent enough to get the Orwell reference, seen it a few times on here. | |||
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" I know one married gay couple, the others think civil partnerships enough. Imo Civil partnerships would have been a fine compromise - right up unttil the point when one couple discovered they could try to discriminate against a gay couple by saying that they only allow 'married' couples share a room. Then it was obvious we needed to go the extra mile. Well done Ireland. (Sorry if I'm a little late to the debate - I assumed this thread was simply going to be a long list of people saying 'well done' )
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"Why does there have to be an advantage to marriage? The fact is the gay community were excluded from choosing marriage over civil partnerships and now they aren't. If civil partnerships are still available and people are happy with those they can have them but if they want a marriage they can have that too now if they wish. How does this decision impact on anyone other than the couple that wish to get married? It impacts on every one who is married and previously believed that marriage was a union between a man and woman. It fundamentally changes the very nature of marriage. How does it? Does it make you believe in your marriage less? Does it alter the love you have for your spouse? Does it invalidate your marriage certificate? I really cannot see how it impacts anything. Firstly this is not about me or any marriage I may have or have had. But to answer your point. If you change the meaning of the word marriage from being a union between a man and a woman to being a union between any two people then you have fundamentally changed what marriage actually is in the eyes of many people. If that is not actually the case then why is actually having same sex marriage seen as such a massive step forward by those who support it. Let me be absolutely clear. I'm not opposed to same sex marriage but I feel legally, in the UK this was achieved in the UK by CP. I have a slight dislike of the change in the meaning of the word marriage from being a union between a man and a woman to being a union between any two people (it feels a bit Orwellian to me) but not enough to actually oppose it. Nope, still not getting it. The main word in you definition of the word marriage is union....between whom is irrelevant. It seems very discriminatory to say that only a man and a woman can have a union, gay people must only have a partnership. I'm not intelligent enough to get the Orwell reference, seen it a few times on here. " In Orwell's book called 1984 there was a concept called New Speak. The idea behind New Speak was that language and the meaning of words was changed by the political elite to suit what they wanted. | |||
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" I know one married gay couple, the others think civil partnerships enough. Imo Civil partnerships would have been a fine compromise - right up unttil the point when one couple discovered they could try to discriminate against a gay couple by saying that they only allow 'married' couples share a room. Then it was obvious we needed to go the extra mile. Well done Ireland. (Sorry if I'm a little late to the debate - I assumed this thread was simply going to be a long list of people saying 'well done' )
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But isn't compromise the key to tolerance? Ones we abandon compromise are we not also abandoning tolerance?"But when people try to use semantics to use that compromise to discriminate, the compromise obviously isn't fit for purpose. CPs were meant to be indistinguishable, yet it turned out it wasn't. | |||
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"I'm not opposed to same sex marriage. After all I've been having the same sex with Mrs P for twenty years now. " About time we had an injection of humour into this thread. | |||
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" I know one married gay couple, the others think civil partnerships enough. Imo Civil partnerships would have been a fine compromise - right up unttil the point when one couple discovered they could try to discriminate against a gay couple by saying that they only allow 'married' couples share a room. Then it was obvious we needed to go the extra mile. Well done Ireland. (Sorry if I'm a little late to the debate - I assumed this thread was simply going to be a long list of people saying 'well done' )
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But isn't compromise the key to tolerance? Ones we abandon compromise are we not also abandoning tolerance?
But when people try to use semantics to use that compromise to discriminate, the compromise obviously isn't fit for purpose. CPs were meant to be indistinguishable, yet it turned out it wasn't."Sadly I don't think same sex marriage will stop those determined to discriminate on grounds of sexual orientation from doing so. | |||
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"Why does there have to be an advantage to marriage? The fact is the gay community were excluded from choosing marriage over civil partnerships and now they aren't. If civil partnerships are still available and people are happy with those they can have them but if they want a marriage they can have that too now if they wish. How does this decision impact on anyone other than the couple that wish to get married? It impacts on every one who is married and previously believed that marriage was a union between a man and woman. It fundamentally changes the very nature of marriage. How does it? Does it make you believe in your marriage less? Does it alter the love you have for your spouse? Does it invalidate your marriage certificate? I really cannot see how it impacts anything. Firstly this is not about me or any marriage I may have or have had. But to answer your point. If you change the meaning of the word marriage from being a union between a man and a woman to being a union between any two people then you have fundamentally changed what marriage actually is in the eyes of many people. If that is not actually the case then why is actually having same sex marriage seen as such a massive step forward by those who support it. Let me be absolutely clear. I'm not opposed to same sex marriage but I feel legally, in the UK this was achieved in the UK by CP. I have a slight dislike of the change in the meaning of the word marriage from being a union between a man and a woman to being a union between any two people (it feels a bit Orwellian to me) but not enough to actually oppose it. Nope, still not getting it. The main word in you definition of the word marriage is union....between whom is irrelevant. It seems very discriminatory to say that only a man and a woman can have a union, gay people must only have a partnership. I'm not intelligent enough to get the Orwell reference, seen it a few times on here. " I always considered CP to be a union, maybe if it had been called a Civil Union that would have solved the problem? | |||
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" I always considered CP to be a union, maybe if it had been called a Civil Union that would have solved the problem?" The point here, for this thread about Ireland and their referendum, is that they didn't have the same right under Civil Partnership. The rights were described as "similar but not equal to those of civil marriage". Here's an extract from the Wiki entry: Civil partners are not allowed to adopt children jointly, as married couples are, though one civil partner may adopt singly. Also, civil partners cannot have joint guardianship over any children they raise together. The act provides for the succession of property, pension entitlements, domestic violence, and maintenance in the event of a breakdown of a relationship. The act does not make any provision for tax entitlements and allowances nor does it grant any social welfare benefits to civil partners. These issues are to be dealt with in two separate bills. The act makes provision for recognition of foreign relationships in Ireland as civil partnerships. The act does not deal with residency of same-sex couples that wish to become civil partnered in Ireland. | |||
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" I always considered CP to be a union, maybe if it had been called a Civil Union that would have solved the problem? The point here, for this thread about Ireland and their referendum, is that they didn't have the same right under Civil Partnership. The rights were described as "similar but not equal to those of civil marriage". Here's an extract from the Wiki entry: Civil partners are not allowed to adopt children jointly, as married couples are, though one civil partner may adopt singly. Also, civil partners cannot have joint guardianship over any children they raise together. The act provides for the succession of property, pension entitlements, domestic violence, and maintenance in the event of a breakdown of a relationship. The act does not make any provision for tax entitlements and allowances nor does it grant any social welfare benefits to civil partners. These issues are to be dealt with in two separate bills. The act makes provision for recognition of foreign relationships in Ireland as civil partnerships. The act does not deal with residency of same-sex couples that wish to become civil partnered in Ireland." A very convincing argument well made. Not being familiar with Irish law on CP I won't argue with you on it. Also I'm not totally happy myself with the stance I might be conveying on this thread. | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild
If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules
I'm failing to see the point you are trying to make..do you actually resent the gays getting married now?is it something only a man and a woman can do?
nothing stays the same,all things change,and the old christian ways are on their way out..i see it as a good thing.
So taken to the conclusion lets change
marriage then and put something else in its place. What shall we call it?
Why change the word?I'm no linguist.not even sure how to create a new word,an easier option is to change its definition somewhat to include a few more groups.which is what's happening.job done.progress..
Not everyone will like it..oh well.
The two hetro Catholics getting married tomorrow cause they love each other,and want to fuck legally will realise that nothing has changed for them when they sign the dotted line.
I'm no linguist either and I didn't mean create a new word. And how can you change the definition of something? Things are what they are by definition. And if you are saying that marriage has now changed then surely they have defeated the object"Its quite easy to change the definition of things. As has been done with marriage..it no longer means the union of a man,and a woman.Dictionaries around the world will soon change the meaning of the word in their next addition.then it'll be official as you can get,as definitive as you can till it gets changed again. | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild
If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules
I'm failing to see the point you are trying to make..do you actually resent the gays getting married now?is it something only a man and a woman can do?
nothing stays the same,all things change,and the old christian ways are on their way out..i see it as a good thing.
So taken to the conclusion lets change
marriage then and put something else in its place. What shall we call it?
Why change the word?I'm no linguist.not even sure how to create a new word,an easier option is to change its definition somewhat to include a few more groups.which is what's happening.job done.progress..
Not everyone will like it..oh well.
The two hetro Catholics getting married tomorrow cause they love each other,and want to fuck legally will realise that nothing has changed for them when they sign the dotted line.
I'm no linguist either and I didn't mean create a new word. And how can you change the definition of something? Things are what they are by definition. And if you are saying that marriage has now changed then surely they have defeated the object
Its quite easy to change the definition of things.
As has been done with marriage..it no longer means the union of a man,and a woman.Dictionaries around the world will soon change the meaning of the word in their next addition.then it'll be official as you can get,as definitive as you can till it gets changed again."If you look in the dictionary it means the union of a man and woman or 2 people in a relationship so it hasn't changed and won't. Well, unless 3 people can get married | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild
If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules
I'm failing to see the point you are trying to make..do you actually resent the gays getting married now?is it something only a man and a woman can do?
nothing stays the same,all things change,and the old christian ways are on their way out..i see it as a good thing.
So taken to the conclusion lets change
marriage then and put something else in its place. What shall we call it?
Why change the word?I'm no linguist.not even sure how to create a new word,an easier option is to change its definition somewhat to include a few more groups.which is what's happening.job done.progress..
Not everyone will like it..oh well.
The two hetro Catholics getting married tomorrow cause they love each other,and want to fuck legally will realise that nothing has changed for them when they sign the dotted line.
I'm no linguist either and I didn't mean create a new word. And how can you change the definition of something? Things are what they are by definition. And if you are saying that marriage has now changed then surely they have defeated the object
Its quite easy to change the definition of things.
As has been done with marriage..it no longer means the union of a man,and a woman.Dictionaries around the world will soon change the meaning of the word in their next addition.then it'll be official as you can get,as definitive as you can till it gets changed again.
If you look in the dictionary it means the union of a man and woman or 2 people in a relationship so it hasn't changed and won't.
Well, unless 3 people can get married"Well there we are then!its already done...happy days
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild
If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules
I'm failing to see the point you are trying to make..do you actually resent the gays getting married now?is it something only a man and a woman can do?
nothing stays the same,all things change,and the old christian ways are on their way out..i see it as a good thing.
So taken to the conclusion lets change
marriage then and put something else in its place. What shall we call it?
Why change the word?I'm no linguist.not even sure how to create a new word,an easier option is to change its definition somewhat to include a few more groups.which is what's happening.job done.progress..
Not everyone will like it..oh well.
The two hetro Catholics getting married tomorrow cause they love each other,and want to fuck legally will realise that nothing has changed for them when they sign the dotted line.
I'm no linguist either and I didn't mean create a new word. And how can you change the definition of something? Things are what they are by definition. And if you are saying that marriage has now changed then surely they have defeated the object
Its quite easy to change the definition of things.
As has been done with marriage..it no longer means the union of a man,and a woman.Dictionaries around the world will soon change the meaning of the word in their next addition.then it'll be official as you can get,as definitive as you can till it gets changed again."Blackwhite:- "the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary" | |||
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"But what is the reason for marriage and why was it invented? I'm glad the old religious ways are being eroded in the west,and that an ancient ceremony is being redefined
Now what else can we tear down and rebuild
If you change something doesn't it become something else? What is the point of wanting marriage if you want to change the rules
I'm failing to see the point you are trying to make..do you actually resent the gays getting married now?is it something only a man and a woman can do?
nothing stays the same,all things change,and the old christian ways are on their way out..i see it as a good thing.
So taken to the conclusion lets change
marriage then and put something else in its place. What shall we call it?
Why change the word?I'm no linguist.not even sure how to create a new word,an easier option is to change its definition somewhat to include a few more groups.which is what's happening.job done.progress..
Not everyone will like it..oh well.
The two hetro Catholics getting married tomorrow cause they love each other,and want to fuck legally will realise that nothing has changed for them when they sign the dotted line.
I'm no linguist either and I didn't mean create a new word. And how can you change the definition of something? Things are what they are by definition. And if you are saying that marriage has now changed then surely they have defeated the object
Its quite easy to change the definition of things.
As has been done with marriage..it no longer means the union of a man,and a woman.Dictionaries around the world will soon change the meaning of the word in their next addition.then it'll be official as you can get,as definitive as you can till it gets changed again.
If you look in the dictionary it means the union of a man and woman or 2 people in a relationship so it hasn't changed and won't.
Well, unless 3 people can get married
Well there we are then!its already done...happy days
Case closed"Or in another dictionary it defines marriage as a) the state or relationship of living together in a legal partnership b) the legal union or contract made by two people to live together So how has the definition been changed now? Or been changed to suit anybody? Case closed | |||
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"the meaning of marriage must surely have always been, as with any similar 'institution',or tenet, constantly fluid over the centuries....originally it was more to do with division of property; in other countries you can legally have more than one spouse, generations ago women were considered, as sadly in some places ,still are, as property.....and it was only relatively recently that in the UK it became a crime to rape your wife.....none of these changes have destroyed the concept of marriage ..like any laws/customs,they will constantly change.....if you do not want a gay/straight marriage, well luckily, thats up to you....you don't have to have one! dont see why sniping at people who do is necessary!" I'm not sure that pointing out why some people object and that to try and changing the meaning of the word marriage is not actually changing what marriage is can be classed as snipping. I personally am not opposed to same sex marriage but I also don't believe that we achieve a tolerant society by insisting that everyone agrees that what anyone does is right. Tolerance is not about making everyone agree that everything is right but about allowing people to do what they think is right even if you don't. | |||
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