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"Oh dear hate austerity but can't help feel these things are a waste of time. Only winners out of this will be GMP cracking some heads and raking in the overtime. "Cracking the heads of the crack heads  | |||
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"Anyone else going?" Rent a mob.... I bet the anti fracking site at Barton will be empty for a few hours this afternoon. Good opportunity to clean the place up and secure it. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away." Completely agree with you for once. As long as they behave and don't deface anything | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away." So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you?" . There's a few assholes among here, I don't suggest to ban this website though! | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you?" Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials " . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it." They must be pretty stupid then. | |||
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"How much will it cost ? "To the small businesses and insurance companies: quite a lot I suspect. To the Government: not one jot. Plus ça change 
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. They must be pretty stupid then. " Misguided, stupid, irresponsible, foolish.... You will no doubt see examples of all this later on the news as they try to justify the disruption in Manchester and the inconveniencing of the great British public as they just want to get on with their daily lives. A far cry from Manchester two weeks ago when 40,000 or so GREAT people descended on the city to walk, crawl and run 10k just to help their fellow human beings. Anti austerity protest my arse. Mindless thugs with nothing better to do with their sad, pathetic lives more like it. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. They must be pretty stupid then. " . I don't know them individually and pack mentality of animals like humans has a high factor in persuading influence! | |||
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"How much will it cost ?
To the small businesses and insurance companies: quite a lot I suspect.
To the Government: not one jot.
Plus ça change
Mr ddc". Ironic that anti austerity march's getting lampooned for causing economic activity  | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. They must be pretty stupid then. . I don't know them individually and pack mentality of animals like humans has a high factor in persuading influence!" Not pointing the finger at you by any means. I just don't understand how people would deface a memorial to people who sacrificed themselves so people can be free to protest today. Let's not forget how most war memorials are foundation or community funded so they hardly represent state power. The defacing is so counter productive. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. They must be pretty stupid then. Misguided, stupid, irresponsible, foolish.... You will no doubt see examples of all this later on the news as they try to justify the disruption in Manchester and the inconveniencing of the great British public as they just want to get on with their daily lives. A far cry from Manchester two weeks ago when 40,000 or so GREAT people descended on the city to walk, crawl and run 10k just to help their fellow human beings. Anti austerity protest my arse. Mindless thugs with nothing better to do with their sad, pathetic lives more like it. "
I trust it will be peaceful enough, but can't help feeling it will be hijacked by senseless, moronic minorities who despite all their actions, will never get their own way! | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. They must be pretty stupid then. Misguided, stupid, irresponsible, foolish.... You will no doubt see examples of all this later on the news as they try to justify the disruption in Manchester and the inconveniencing of the great British public as they just want to get on with their daily lives. A far cry from Manchester two weeks ago when 40,000 or so GREAT people descended on the city to walk, crawl and run 10k just to help their fellow human beings. Anti austerity protest my arse. Mindless thugs with nothing better to do with their sad, pathetic lives more like it. " . Anyone taking time out of their busy schedules in life to do something they believe in, is fine by me!. I doubt the great British public will be held up going about their day any more than they were two weeks ago? | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it." Ffs up to this point you were doing well. Just blown it with that dumbass comment. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. They must be pretty stupid then. . I don't know them individually and pack mentality of animals like humans has a high factor in persuading influence! Not pointing the finger at you by any means. I just don't understand how people would deface a memorial to people who sacrificed themselves so people can be free to protest today. Let's not forget how most war memorials are foundation or community funded so they hardly represent state power. The defacing is so counter productive. " Spot on. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. They must be pretty stupid then. . I don't know them individually and pack mentality of animals like humans has a high factor in persuading influence! Not pointing the finger at you by any means. I just don't understand how people would deface a memorial to people who sacrificed themselves so people can be free to protest today. Let's not forget how most war memorials are foundation or community funded so they hardly represent state power. The defacing is so counter productive. " . Lol I've defaced plenty of things in my time I'm afraid to tell you!. If, d*unk with sight of power, we loose Wild tongues that have not Thee in awe Such boastings as the Gentiles use, Or lesser breeds without the Law— Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet, Lest we forget—lest we forget!. I think even Kipling recognised not everything the government does with war isn't actually a hero worshipping act! | |||
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"How much will it cost ?
To the small businesses and insurance companies: quite a lot I suspect.
To the Government: not one jot.
Plus ça change
Mr ddc.
Ironic that anti austerity march's getting lampooned for causing economic activity "Lol, I bet they all have shares in glaziers really. I agree with your point about right to protest, but if I were organising a peaceful protest, these people would wind me up too. They belittle genuine protests and enable the 'powers that be' to dismiss the whole thing as mindless thugs. | |||
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"How much will it cost ?
To the small businesses and insurance companies: quite a lot I suspect.
To the Government: not one jot.
Plus ça change
Mr ddc.
Ironic that anti austerity march's getting lampooned for causing economic activity
Lol, I bet they all have shares in glaziers really.
I agree with your point about right to protest, but if I were organising a peaceful protest, these people would wind me up too. They belittle genuine protests and enable the 'powers that be' to dismiss the whole thing as mindless thugs.
". Such is life my friend! I've been there done that and got the T-shirt. I've been on more protests and marches than most and I can honestly tell you the vast majority of people are well behaved perfectly normal people!. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away." the people should not fear the government the government should fear the people | |||
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"How much will it cost ?
To the small businesses and insurance companies: quite a lot I suspect.
To the Government: not one jot.
Plus ça change
Mr ddc.
Ironic that anti austerity march's getting lampooned for causing economic activity
Lol, I bet they all have shares in glaziers really.
I agree with your point about right to protest, but if I were organising a peaceful protest, these people would wind me up too. They belittle genuine protests and enable the 'powers that be' to dismiss the whole thing as mindless thugs.
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Such is life my friend!
I've been there done that and got the T-shirt.
I've been on more protests and marches than most and I can honestly tell you the vast majority of people are well behaved perfectly normal people!.
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Sadly those pictures don't sell newspapers
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"How much will it cost ?
To the small businesses and insurance companies: quite a lot I suspect.
To the Government: not one jot.
Plus ça change
Mr ddc.
Ironic that anti austerity march's getting lampooned for causing economic activity "Twisted logic | |||
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"How much will it cost ?
To the small businesses and insurance companies: quite a lot I suspect.
To the Government: not one jot.
Plus ça change
Mr ddc.
Ironic that anti austerity march's getting lampooned for causing economic activity
Lol, I bet they all have shares in glaziers really.
I agree with your point about right to protest, but if I were organising a peaceful protest, these people would wind me up too. They belittle genuine protests and enable the 'powers that be' to dismiss the whole thing as mindless thugs.
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Such is life my friend!
I've been there done that and got the T-shirt.
I've been on more protests and marches than most and I can honestly tell you the vast majority of people are well behaved perfectly normal people!.
Sadly those pictures don't sell newspapers
". I wish more people would partake in protests and drown out the minority!. But this moaning by society of protests and marches is simply a modern illness of newspaper headlines!. Without marches or protests Women wouldn't have the vote Gay people wouldn't have equal rights Handicap people wouldn't have equal rights Black people wouldn't have equal rights It could be argued that protesters have brought as much freedom as soldiers but where are the mass memorials to them? | |||
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"How much will it cost ?
To the small businesses and insurance companies: quite a lot I suspect.
To the Government: not one jot.
Plus ça change
Mr ddc.
Ironic that anti austerity march's getting lampooned for causing economic activity
Twisted logic"Possibly, but I happen to like his ability to make you see things from a different angle. It's why I also like reading both the Torygraph AND the Grauniad. (That and the fact that they're both free, natch  ) | |||
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"Looking forward to the footage on the news of the police giving these hippies the battering they deserve!" . Yeah that ian Tomlinson, he was well asking for it | |||
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"How much will it cost ?
To the small businesses and insurance companies: quite a lot I suspect.
To the Government: not one jot.
Plus ça change
Mr ddc.
Ironic that anti austerity march's getting lampooned for causing economic activity
Twisted logic
Possibly, but I happen to like his ability to make you see things from a different angle.
It's why I also like reading both the Torygraph AND the Grauniad.
(That and the fact that they're both free, natch )". Oooer a convert in the making.... Where's my fanfare  .
It's a start if we can agree that there's bad economic activity and there's good economic activity!
That message rarely gets mentioned as it ruins the governments standard reply of, "it creates jobs and money" therefore it's good! | |||
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"Looking forward to the footage on the news of the police giving these hippies the battering they deserve!" Wow Great thread OP.... Block list taking a battering again though | |||
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"Looking forward to the footage on the news of the police giving these hippies the battering they deserve!. Yeah that ian Tomlinson, he was well asking for it "Comeon SB... You know head butting truncheons and boots is criminal damage....get it in perspective..... | |||
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"All us british do is follow the propoganda we are fed. Fact is millions are relying on food banks and lots are working families so austerity is not helping them. Its about time folk stood up and made a stand and as long as peaceful will be great however sadly idiots will get the highlights rather than the actual reason for the march. If anyone believes there wont be establishment agitators amongst the marchers think again as a peaceful march does not serve the message the government wish to portray. Instead of just rolling over time to stand up and say this is not right." Two things.... 1) millions relying on food banks? You quite sure about that? 2) what isn't right? That we are a democratic nation and we just had an election? Only spoiled children throw their toys out of the pram when they don't get what they want and this is what this rent a mob are doing. | |||
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"Its a peaceful demonstration, all good natured and chilled. Little surprised to read some of the responses on the thread. Bile." Let's hope it stays that way then | |||
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"Oh dear hate austerity but can't help feel these things are a waste of time. Only winners out of this will be GMP cracking some heads and raking in the overtime.
Cracking the heads of the crack heads "Really some people actually still have a social conscience. Even if you don't. | |||
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"Its a peaceful demonstration, all good natured and chilled. Little surprised to read some of the responses on the thread. Bile." usually from the ill-educated. | |||
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"How much will it cost ?
To the small businesses and insurance companies: quite a lot I suspect.
To the Government: not one jot.
Plus ça change
Mr ddc.
Ironic that anti austerity march's getting lampooned for causing economic activity
Lol, I bet they all have shares in glaziers really.
I agree with your point about right to protest, but if I were organising a peaceful protest, these people would wind me up too. They belittle genuine protests and enable the 'powers that be' to dismiss the whole thing as mindless thugs.
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"Looking forward to the footage on the news of the police giving these hippies the battering they deserve!" I thought the police were meant to uphold the law, not go round committing illegal acts of grievous or actual bodily harm. Should we dress them in brown shirts to while we're at it? | |||
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"How much will it cost ?
To the small businesses and insurance companies: quite a lot I suspect.
To the Government: not one jot.
Plus ça change
Mr ddc.
Ironic that anti austerity march's getting lampooned for causing economic activity
Twisted logic
Possibly, but I happen to like his ability to make you see things from a different angle.
It's why I also like reading both the Torygraph AND the Grauniad.
(That and the fact that they're both free, natch )"Yet again this. | |||
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"Looks pretty insipid so far and apart from the odd bit of graffiti all looks very cheerful can rely on the Mancs to bring some good music to a protest! " Fingers crossed it stays that way. Quite a few fat f@ckers there though. I hope they check BMI at these food banks before they hand it out willy nilly. | |||
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"# 40 per cent marching for the cause # 60 percent no clue what austerity means "I think you seriously underestimate the intelligence of the British people. Most people understand full well what austerity is, most people don't like austerity however most people also believe it to be necessary. Don't make the mistake, often made by the left, that those who don't see things your way either don't really know or don't really care. It's that attitude towards your opponents that has led the left to massive electoral failure. | |||
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"I was at a conference this week looking at austerity. The point I made is that we have just had an election which has voted in austerity+. We are also colluding with austerity mongers. It's good to hear that there is a march but we all know that the majority would prefer to complain from their sofas than take action. " Or not complain at all ..... | |||
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"Looks pretty insipid so far and apart from the odd bit of graffiti all looks very cheerful can rely on the Mancs to bring some good music to a protest! Fingers crossed it stays that way. Quite a few fat f@ckers there though. I hope they check BMI at these food banks before they hand it out willy nilly. ". So your against fat people out walking as well?. Another child robbed of breast feeding I'm guessing  | |||
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"Looks pretty insipid so far and apart from the odd bit of graffiti all looks very cheerful can rely on the Mancs to bring some good music to a protest! Fingers crossed it stays that way. Quite a few fat f@ckers there though. I hope they check BMI at these food banks before they hand it out willy nilly. .
So your against fat people out walking as well?.
"Only because they take up too much room on the pavement making me step out into the road to try and avoid them but if their in march they'll all be walking the same way so not a problem. " Another child robbed of breast feeding I'm guessing " | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it." The people who do such a thing should be shipped over to an islamic state to find out what austerity is | |||
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"I was at a conference this week looking at austerity. The point I made is that we have just had an election which has voted in austerity+. We are also colluding with austerity mongers. It's good to hear that there is a march but we all know that the majority would prefer to complain from their sofas than take action. Or not complain at all ..... ". It depends on what your perspectives are in life. Obviously if your only thing in life is fucking around on sex sites, you don't need to complain about anything except the possible closure of swinger's sites. Some people would complain that if that's the only thing you've got complain about, your doing alright! | |||
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"Anyone else going? Rent a mob.... I bet the anti fracking site at Barton will be empty for a few hours this afternoon. Good opportunity to clean the place up and secure it." At least people are standing up and trying to do something about it than sitting on their arse. I will be going to the one in Glasgow. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. The people who do such a thing should be shipped over to an islamic state to find out what austerity is" . Yeah let's get back to the 18th century where we shipped out criminals to other people's lands.... That didn't cause any problems did it | |||
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"I was at a conference this week looking at austerity. The point I made is that we have just had an election which has voted in austerity+. We are also colluding with austerity mongers. It's good to hear that there is a march but we all know that the majority would prefer to complain from their sofas than take action. Or not complain at all ..... "
I've got much better things to do with my bank holiday.
Don't see the point in this protest as we just had a general election, which the tories won fair and square in a democratic process, and the main selling point of the tories election campaign was to continue with austerity, and continue with the economic recovery.
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"Looks pretty insipid so far and apart from the odd bit of graffiti all looks very cheerful can rely on the Mancs to bring some good music to a protest! Fingers crossed it stays that way. Quite a few fat f@ckers there though. I hope they check BMI at these food banks before they hand it out willy nilly. .
So your against fat people out walking as well?.
Another child robbed of breast feeding I'm guessing "You just got back? I think we're both guilty of presumption here | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. The people who do such a thing should be shipped over to an islamic state to find out what austerity is" They don't need to go that far. A quick trip to Greece or Spain should do the trick. The Greeks know what austerity means... | |||
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"Anyone else going? Rent a mob.... I bet the anti fracking site at Barton will be empty for a few hours this afternoon. Good opportunity to clean the place up and secure it. At least people are standing up and trying to do something about it than sitting on their arse. I will be going to the one in Glasgow. " Doing something about what? Protesting because our democratic process didn't give them what they wanted? | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you?. There's a few assholes among here, I don't suggest to ban this website though!" I never suggested a ban on anything. The right to protest or freedom of speech included. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. The people who do such a thing should be shipped over to an islamic state to find out what austerity is They don't need to go that far. A quick trip to Greece or Spain should do the trick. The Greeks know what austerity means... " . Just in case you've not noticed. The Greeks and the Spanish have protested massively about austerity and far more aggressively than some defacing of monuments | |||
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"Anyone else going? Rent a mob.... I bet the anti fracking site at Barton will be empty for a few hours this afternoon. Good opportunity to clean the place up and secure it. At least people are standing up and trying to do something about it than sitting on their arse. I will be going to the one in Glasgow. Doing something about what? Protesting because our democratic process didn't give them what they wanted?" . Yep that's what their entitled to do! | |||
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"Oh dear hate austerity but can't help feel these things are a waste of time. Only winners out of this will be GMP cracking some heads and raking in the overtime.
Cracking the heads of the crack heads
Really some people actually still have a social conscience. Even if you don't. "Actually that is an interesting point. My conscience tells me that I should respect and uphold the laws of the land, that I should not rely on others to look after the things that are my responsibility. It appears that the social conscience you refer to is something different? I don't buy it that people should expect something for nothing. It is a basic premise of life and living that to get something, you have to do something. As it happens, I expect that we will get more complete pussy measures of austerity when what far too many people need is a serious kick up the arse. | |||
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"Looks pretty insipid so far and apart from the odd bit of graffiti all looks very cheerful can rely on the Mancs to bring some good music to a protest! Fingers crossed it stays that way. Quite a few fat f@ckers there though. I hope they check BMI at these food banks before they hand it out willy nilly. .
So your against fat people out walking as well?.
Another child robbed of breast feeding I'm guessing
You just got back?
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"Oh dear hate austerity but can't help feel these things are a waste of time. Only winners out of this will be GMP cracking some heads and raking in the overtime.
Cracking the heads of the crack heads
Really some people actually still have a social conscience. Even if you don't.
Actually that is an interesting point. My conscience tells me that I should respect and uphold the laws of the land, that I should not rely on others to look after the things that are my responsibility.
It appears that the social conscience you refer to is something different? I don't buy it that people should expect something for nothing. It is a basic premise of life and living that to get something, you have to do something.
As it happens, I expect that we will get more complete pussy measures of austerity when what far too many people need is a serious kick up the arse. " | |||
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"Oh dear hate austerity but can't help feel these things are a waste of time. Only winners out of this will be GMP cracking some heads and raking in the overtime.
Cracking the heads of the crack heads
Really some people actually still have a social conscience. Even if you don't.
Actually that is an interesting point. My conscience tells me that I should respect and uphold the laws of the land, that I should not rely on others to look after the things that are my responsibility.
It appears that the social conscience you refer to is something different? I don't buy it that people should expect something for nothing. It is a basic premise of life and living that to get something, you have to do something.
As it happens, I expect that we will get more complete pussy measures of austerity when what far too many people need is a serious kick up the arse.
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"Looks pretty insipid so far and apart from the odd bit of graffiti all looks very cheerful can rely on the Mancs to bring some good music to a protest! Fingers crossed it stays that way. Quite a few fat f@ckers there though. I hope they check BMI at these food banks before they hand it out willy nilly. .
So your against fat people out walking as well?.
Another child robbed of breast feeding I'm guessing
You just got back?
I think we're both guilty of presumption here .
Bitterness deep down always stems from childhood"Or a SHIT Marriage to a LEFTY. lol | |||
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"Oh dear hate austerity but can't help feel these things are a waste of time. Only winners out of this will be GMP cracking some heads and raking in the overtime.
Cracking the heads of the crack heads
Really some people actually still have a social conscience. Even if you don't.
Actually that is an interesting point. My conscience tells me that I should respect and uphold the laws of the land, that I should not rely on others to look after the things that are my responsibility.
It appears that the social conscience you refer to is something different? I don't buy it that people should expect something for nothing. It is a basic premise of life and living that to get something, you have to do something.
As it happens, I expect that we will get more complete pussy measures of austerity when what far too many people need is a serious kick up the arse. "YAWN......What a boring comment!! | |||
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"Looks pretty insipid so far and apart from the odd bit of graffiti all looks very cheerful can rely on the Mancs to bring some good music to a protest! Fingers crossed it stays that way. Quite a few fat f@ckers there though. I hope they check BMI at these food banks before they hand it out willy nilly. .
So your against fat people out walking as well?.
Another child robbed of breast feeding I'm guessing
You just got back?
I think we're both guilty of presumption here .
Bitterness deep down always stems from childhood
Or a SHIT Marriage to a LEFTY. lol". Well marry _oo hot and you can be with the ultra right and pacify the left with a gay marriage.... Bobs your uncle | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. The people who do such a thing should be shipped over to an islamic state to find out what austerity is They don't need to go that far. A quick trip to Greece or Spain should do the trick. The Greeks know what austerity means... . Just in case you've not noticed. The Greeks and the Spanish have protested massively about austerity and far more aggressively than some defacing of monuments" Well that makes it all right then!!! My parents live in Southern Spain and seeing the comparison between the two countries is eye opening when I go to visit them. Luckily for them they are in a substantially different position than the locals! Austerity here is less harsh in comparison by a long way. | |||
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"Omg the thumbers are out in force!. The only people who have been wanting to break the law on this thread are the thumb crew who want to crack the heads open of people who are legally doing something like protesting!. Pussy austerity, what a slogan, especially for swinger's site "I hope you also note the lack of thumbing by some who, while not agreeing with the anti austerity marches definitely agree with their right to march and protest and fervently disagree with any suggestion that those rights should be curtailed by acts of violence committed by the police or anyone else. | |||
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"Omg the thumbers are out in force!. The only people who have been wanting to break the law on this thread are the thumb crew who want to crack the heads open of people who are legally doing something like protesting!. Pussy austerity, what a slogan, especially for swinger's site
I hope you also note the lack of thumbing by some who, while not agreeing with the anti austerity marches definitely agree with their right to march and protest and fervently disagree with any suggestion that those rights should be curtailed by acts of violence committed by the police or anyone else." | |||
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"Why is it when people try not to be treated like crap, more people treat them like crap? Propaganda." For some it only becomes important when it affects them directly. The bulk of the cuts set out in the last government come into play this year and next. My observation has been that central government have passed the cuts down to local authorities who, unlike central government, have to legally set a balanced budget with no deficit in sight. The ire falls on the local authority departments and not on central government. The way that local authorities have tried to protect themselves is by narrowing the criteria for services, thereby making it much more difficult to access these. For the educated and articulate they can see how to make the criteria work for them when they need those services but for those in severe need, struggling to cope with writing their name let alone filling in a form, it becomes impossible. All of that said this will be one of those narrow threads with five or six people posting the same arguments between each other. So, I'll reduce the numbers and try and not read any further. | |||
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"Why is it when people try not to be treated like crap, more people treat them like crap? Propaganda. For some it only becomes important when it affects them directly. The bulk of the cuts set out in the last government come into play this year and next. My observation has been that central government have passed the cuts down to local authorities who, unlike central government, have to legally set a balanced budget with no deficit in sight. The ire falls on the local authority departments and not on central government. The way that local authorities have tried to protect themselves is by narrowing the criteria for services, thereby making it much more difficult to access these. For the educated and articulate they can see how to make the criteria work for them when they need those services but for those in severe need, struggling to cope with writing their name let alone filling in a form, it becomes impossible. All of that said this will be one of those narrow threads with five or six people posting the same arguments between each other. So, I'll reduce the numbers and try and not read any further. " Same here about the posting. Annoys me seeing protestors being called crackheads, although i don't often get sarcasm on the internet so idk. Gonna add that 7 million people are looking for full time work in this country right now, 7 million... | |||
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"Anyone else going?" . They can have as many marches or protests as they like but I do not think many people will care about them. Their arrogance defies belief. We had an election two weeks ago and the electorate made their decision..It would would interesting to see how much tax any of these protesters pay and how many ar claiming benefits .. | |||
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"Why is it when people try not to be treated like crap, more people treat them like crap? Propaganda. For some it only becomes important when it affects them directly. The bulk of the cuts set out in the last government come into play this year and next. My observation has been that central government have passed the cuts down to local authorities who, unlike central government, have to legally set a balanced budget with no deficit in sight. The ire falls on the local authority departments and not on central government. The way that local authorities have tried to protect themselves is by narrowing the criteria for services, thereby making it much more difficult to access these. For the educated and articulate they can see how to make the criteria work for them when they need those services but for those in severe need, struggling to cope with writing their name let alone filling in a form, it becomes impossible. All of that said this will be one of those narrow threads with five or six people posting the same arguments between each other. So, I'll reduce the numbers and try and not read any further. Same here about the posting. Annoys me seeing protestors being called crackheads, although i don't often get sarcasm on the internet so idk. Gonna add that 7 million people are looking for full time work in this country right now, 7 million..." Crikey where did you get those figures? | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. Bit of a contradiction that. Didn't you say at the top that its the people who hold the power not the state? You don't really know what you're talking about or doing this for do you? I don't condone it but I understand it." | |||
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"All us british do is follow the propoganda we are fed. Fact is millions are relying on food banks and lots are working families so austerity is not helping them. Its about time folk stood up and made a stand and as long as peaceful will be great however sadly idiots will get the highlights rather than the actual reason for the march. If anyone believes there wont be establishment agitators amongst the marchers think again as a peaceful march does not serve the message the government wish to portray. Instead of just rolling over time to stand up and say this is not right." . If people are relying on foodc banks , we would need to know why this is the case . ?What have these people spent all their other money on? If they are on benefits , have they planned how to spend their money? We can hardly blame. the government for people who do not bother to plan things . | |||
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"Crikey where did you get those figures? " Can't post links on here else i get banned for spamming, so i will have to say i got those figures from outta my ass. | |||
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"So the people who democratically chose this government are not actually the 'people'??? How does that work? "37% wins but isn't the majority of "the people". | |||
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"Crikey where did you get those figures? Can't post links on here else i get banned for spamming, so i will have to say i got those figures from outta my ass. "About right | |||
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"All us british do is follow the propoganda we are fed. Fact is millions are relying on food banks and lots are working families so austerity is not helping them. Its about time folk stood up and made a stand and as long as peaceful will be great however sadly idiots will get the highlights rather than the actual reason for the march. If anyone believes there wont be establishment agitators amongst the marchers think again as a peaceful march does not serve the message the government wish to portray. Instead of just rolling over time to stand up and say this is not right.. If people are relying on foodc banks , we would need to know why this is the case . ?What have these people spent all their other money on? If they are on benefits , have they planned how to spend their money? We can hardly blame. the government for people who do not bother to plan things . " Most of them are using food banks because their benefits have been delayed, changed or sanctioned. Fuel banks are now opening btw. So people can afford their bills. | |||
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"All us british do is follow the propoganda we are fed. Fact is millions are relying on food banks and lots are working families so austerity is not helping them. Its about time folk stood up and made a stand and as long as peaceful will be great however sadly idiots will get the highlights rather than the actual reason for the march. If anyone believes there wont be establishment agitators amongst the marchers think again as a peaceful march does not serve the message the government wish to portray. Instead of just rolling over time to stand up and say this is not right.. If people are relying on foodc banks , we would need to know why this is the case . ?What have these people spent all their other money on? If they are on benefits , have they planned how to spend their money? We can hardly blame. the government for people who do not bother to plan things . " the majority of people on benefits who are usuing food bank will be doing so due to being sanctioned usualy for very petty reasons so they would be unable to as you put it "plan " as they would have nothing not a penny usualy at very short notice for anything between two weeks and two months but hey they can always eat cake ..... | |||
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"So the people who democratically chose this government are not actually the 'people'??? How does that work?
37% wins but isn't the majority of "the people".
"Yes but. 37 (con), 8 (LibDem) and 12 (UKIP) is and they were all offering austerity. | |||
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"All us british do is follow the propoganda we are fed. Fact is millions are relying on food banks and lots are working families so austerity is not helping them. Its about time folk stood up and made a stand and as long as peaceful will be great however sadly idiots will get the highlights rather than the actual reason for the march. If anyone believes there wont be establishment agitators amongst the marchers think again as a peaceful march does not serve the message the government wish to portray. Instead of just rolling over time to stand up and say this is not right.. If people are relying on foodc banks , we would need to know why this is the case . ?What have these people spent all their other money on? If they are on benefits , have they planned how to spend their money? We can hardly blame. the government for people who do not bother to plan things . the majority of people on benefits who are usuing food bank will be doing so due to being sanctioned usualy for very petty reasons so they would be unable to as you put it "plan " as they would have nothing not a penny usualy at very short notice for anything between two weeks and two months but hey they can always eat cake ....." And there are millions of them like that are there? | |||
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"I don't think people fully understand there is a minimum amount needed to live on and sanctioning people takes their money to less than that." I think most people realise that but what many may not know is why people receive sanctions. Are they not justified by lack of compliance? | |||
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"I don't think people fully understand there is a minimum amount needed to live on and sanctioning people takes their money to less than that." Some of these people (not all of them) can better their lives by taking a job and getting into employment. It is also fair to say that for a certain section of society they don't want a job and see a lifetime on benefits as a lifestyle choice. Why should life be made easy for them? | |||
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"Omg the thumbers are out in force!. The only people who have been wanting to break the law on this thread are the thumb crew who want to crack the heads open of people who are legally doing something like protesting!. Pussy austerity, what a slogan, especially for swinger's site
I hope you also note the lack of thumbing by some who, while not agreeing with the anti austerity marches definitely agree with their right to march and protest and fervently disagree with any suggestion that those rights should be curtailed by acts of violence committed by the police or anyone else.". I know I always get a sensible argument from you!. Your a sensible chap with conservative values and it's a perfectly nice stance like most conservatives. There are the other conservatives though who would like to bring back the 19th century industrial age! Flogging children and upright morals of work or die! | |||
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"I don't think people fully understand there is a minimum amount needed to live on and sanctioning people takes their money to less than that. I think most people realise that but what many may not know is why people receive sanctions. Are they not justified by lack of compliance?" Can be, but mainly they are for BS reasons. My son got sanctioned for not going to a jobs fair that he actually went to, luckily YPS (young peoples services) know him and knew he'd been there and backed him up, but other people don't have that back up. People get sanctioned for faults the job centre made and, rightly or wrongly, the job centres are accused of doing this on purpose to fill quotas. People get sanctioned for not understanding how the employment system works. Also, it's not really fair to be able to sanction someone for a whole year for mistakes they made. Sanctioning takes people down to less than minimum requirements to live or exist, don't see how that's fair even for one week. | |||
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"Omg the thumbers are out in force!. The only people who have been wanting to break the law on this thread are the thumb crew who want to crack the heads open of people who are legally doing something like protesting!. Pussy austerity, what a slogan, especially for swinger's site
I hope you also note the lack of thumbing by some who, while not agreeing with the anti austerity marches definitely agree with their right to march and protest and fervently disagree with any suggestion that those rights should be curtailed by acts of violence committed by the police or anyone else..
I know I always get a sensible argument from you!.
Your a sensible chap with conservative values and it's a perfectly nice stance like most conservatives.
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"I don't think people fully understand there is a minimum amount needed to live on and sanctioning people takes their money to less than that. I think most people realise that but what many may not know is why people receive sanctions. Are they not justified by lack of compliance?" i was unfortunate to be on unemployment benefit not so long ago . signed on on December 22nd .told i did not need to sign on till the 9th of jan due to the xmas &new year holidays all well and good you may think but no on the 2nd of jan receive a letter dated 22nd from the job centre asking me to attend an inter_iew on the 29th of December at the local job center re some training .now as yo can see i did not recieve the letter untill after the day of the inter_iew i immediatly contacted the job center to be told i was to be sanctioned for not attending the inter_iew . so now i was being sanctioned (money stopped for two weeks ) for something entirely out of my hands luckily i had recieved some money from family for xmas which tided me over but if i hadnt had that safetey net i would of had to survive for two weeks on nothing ! so that would mean in the depths of the british winter i would of had no money for gas electric food drink or anything else plus i would be expected to sign on at the job center and apply for a minimum of three jobs a day via there web site or face further sanction with no money for internet and none for bus fares . thats how easy it is to get in to difficultys through no fault of my own . k | |||
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"I love how people are quoting ridiculous 'facts' and figures but then can't back them up! " I don't love it, it makes for poor quality arguments on here tbh. But you can't post links to stuff to back you up. Also, we're only given choices by those in power to enable them to stay in power, don't really see the point in that myself. | |||
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"So the people who democratically chose this government are not actually the 'people'??? How does that work?
37% wins but isn't the majority of "the people".
Yes but. 37 (con), 8 (LibDem) and 12 (UKIP) is and they were all offering austerity." power to the people! | |||
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"You don't have to post a link. I'm sure it's not against the rules to say where you read it? " Gov PDF files? | |||
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"You don't have to post a link. I'm sure it's not against the rules to say where you read it? Gov PDF files?" Blimey, I would have thought this nasty government would have hidden them
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"Gov PDF files? Are they available to the public or did you find them on a memory stick left on a train? " Lol fair enough yeah i didn't think of that. They are available if you google them. I usually just post the link then they know exactly which one i'm talking about. You can ask for any information you want from the government as well. | |||
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"Gov PDF files? Are they available to the public or did you find them on a memory stick left on a train? Lol fair enough yeah i didn't think of that. They are available if you google them. I usually just post the link then they know exactly which one i'm talking about. You can ask for any information you want from the government as well." Be honest, you're a double agent for the government aren't you? Trying to turn people against communism? | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it." Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing." Dead right | |||
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"Gov PDF files? Are they available to the public or did you find them on a memory stick left on a train? Lol fair enough yeah i didn't think of that. They are available if you google them. I usually just post the link then they know exactly which one i'm talking about. You can ask for any information you want from the government as well. Be honest, you're a double agent for the government aren't you? Trying to turn people against communism? "Yes i am. Now i'm going to die coz i've been exposed... | |||
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"Gov PDF files? Are they available to the public or did you find them on a memory stick left on a train? Lol fair enough yeah i didn't think of that. They are available if you google them. I usually just post the link then they know exactly which one i'm talking about. You can ask for any information you want from the government as well. Be honest, you're a double agent for the government aren't you? Trying to turn people against communism?
Yes i am. Now i'm going to die coz i've been exposed..."Only if the socialists find you | |||
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"Gov PDF files? Are they available to the public or did you find them on a memory stick left on a train? Lol fair enough yeah i didn't think of that. They are available if you google them. I usually just post the link then they know exactly which one i'm talking about. You can ask for any information you want from the government as well. Be honest, you're a double agent for the government aren't you? Trying to turn people against communism?
Yes i am. Now i'm going to die coz i've been exposed...
Only if the socialists find you "They know where i am. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away." | |||
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"Gov PDF files? Are they available to the public or did you find them on a memory stick left on a train? Lol fair enough yeah i didn't think of that. They are available if you google them. I usually just post the link then they know exactly which one i'm talking about. You can ask for any information you want from the government as well. Be honest, you're a double agent for the government aren't you? Trying to turn people against communism?
Yes i am. Now i'm going to die coz i've been exposed...
Only if the socialists find you
They know where i am. "Ye but can they be bothered to get out of bed or stop throwing strops cuz they can't get their own way or summat for nothing? | |||
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"Gov PDF files? Are they available to the public or did you find them on a memory stick left on a train? Lol fair enough yeah i didn't think of that. They are available if you google them. I usually just post the link then they know exactly which one i'm talking about. You can ask for any information you want from the government as well. Be honest, you're a double agent for the government aren't you? Trying to turn people against communism?
Yes i am. Now i'm going to die coz i've been exposed...
Only if the socialists find you
They know where i am.
Ye but can they be bothered to get out of bed or stop throwing strops cuz they can't get their own way or summat for nothing? "They're too busy changing things, despite al the whigning from conformists. | |||
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"Anyone else going?" Piss poor turnout it seems. 5,000 plus say they are going and around 5% of that number actually turn up. We get a better show rate than 5% on Fab ! | |||
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"Gov PDF files? Are they available to the public or did you find them on a memory stick left on a train? Lol fair enough yeah i didn't think of that. They are available if you google them. I usually just post the link then they know exactly which one i'm talking about. You can ask for any information you want from the government as well. Be honest, you're a double agent for the government aren't you? Trying to turn people against communism?
Yes i am. Now i'm going to die coz i've been exposed...
Only if the socialists find you
They know where i am.
Ye but can they be bothered to get out of bed or stop throwing strops cuz they can't get their own way or summat for nothing?
They're too busy changing things, despite al the whigning from conformists. "They're not changing anything fortunately, cuz they only want to change things for the worse | |||
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"Crikey where did you get those figures? Can't post links on here else i get banned for spamming, so i will have to say i got those figures from outta my ass. "You don't get banned for spamming if you post a link, you will however be banned for posting a link if it isn't an allowed one. If you want to know which links are allowed you can find them on the forum rules | |||
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"Gov PDF files? Are they available to the public or did you find them on a memory stick left on a train? Lol fair enough yeah i didn't think of that. They are available if you google them. I usually just post the link then they know exactly which one i'm talking about. You can ask for any information you want from the government as well. Be honest, you're a double agent for the government aren't you? Trying to turn people against communism?
Yes i am. Now i'm going to die coz i've been exposed...
Only if the socialists find you
They know where i am.
Ye but can they be bothered to get out of bed or stop throwing strops cuz they can't get their own way or summat for nothing?
They're too busy changing things, despite al the whigning from conformists. "Winging conformists! Isn't that an oxymoron? | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away." honourable and intelligent response.thank you. | |||
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"If the biggest anti-war protest in human history could be ignored, then why bother marching for or against anything ever again? " Possibly to create awareness of the issue. Just a thought! | |||
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"If the biggest anti-war protest in human history could be ignored, then why bother marching for or against anything ever again? Possibly to create awareness of the issue. Just a thought!" British Chancellors have to develop a very particular set of skills: pinning the blame on their predecessors for the state of “the books”; getting their excuses in early; administering tough medicine today but promising jam tomorrow; making a little go a long way; and, perhaps most importantly, aligning the economic and fiscal cycles with the electoral cycle. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. They must be pretty stupid then. Misguided, stupid, irresponsible, foolish.... You will no doubt see examples of all this later on the news as they try to justify the disruption in Manchester and the inconveniencing of the great British public as they just want to get on with their daily lives. A far cry from Manchester two weeks ago when 40,000 or so GREAT people descended on the city to walk, crawl and run 10k just to help their fellow human beings. Anti austerity protest my arse. Mindless thugs with nothing better to do with their sad, pathetic lives more like it. " Spot on. a six thumber. | |||
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"Oh dear hate austerity but can't help feel these things are a waste of time. Only winners out of this will be GMP cracking some heads and raking in the overtime.
Cracking the heads of the crack heads
Really some people actually still have a social conscience. Even if you don't.
Actually that is an interesting point. My conscience tells me that I should respect and uphold the laws of the land, that I should not rely on others to look after the things that are my responsibility.
It appears that the social conscience you refer to is something different? I don't buy it that people should expect something for nothing. It is a basic premise of life and living that to get something, you have to do something.
As it happens, I expect that we will get more complete pussy measures of austerity when what far too many people need is a serious kick up the arse. "Kick up the arse? Interesting. Shows your mentality. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right ". You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
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"Gov PDF files? Are they available to the public or did you find them on a memory stick left on a train? Lol fair enough yeah i didn't think of that. They are available if you google them. I usually just post the link then they know exactly which one i'm talking about. You can ask for any information you want from the government as well. Be honest, you're a double agent for the government aren't you? Trying to turn people against communism?
Yes i am. Now i'm going to die coz i've been exposed...
Only if the socialists find you
They know where i am.
Ye but can they be bothered to get out of bed or stop throwing strops cuz they can't get their own way or summat for nothing? "Err excuse me!!!! My husband is a socialist and he works very hard for a living!!!! | |||
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"Gov PDF files? Are they available to the public or did you find them on a memory stick left on a train? Lol fair enough yeah i didn't think of that. They are available if you google them. I usually just post the link then they know exactly which one i'm talking about. You can ask for any information you want from the government as well. Be honest, you're a double agent for the government aren't you? Trying to turn people against communism?
Yes i am. Now i'm going to die coz i've been exposed...
Only if the socialists find you
They know where i am.
Ye but can they be bothered to get out of bed or stop throwing strops cuz they can't get their own way or summat for nothing?
Err excuse me!!!! My husband is a socialist and he works very hard for a living!!!!"We all have our crosses to bare. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
"They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
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"If I was in Manchester I'd be right there Any plans for a Worcester March???? " Why don't you march on your own if you feel so strongly? Maybe others will join in?
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
". Yeah right up until the 19th century! I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative! | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
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Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative! ". However the majority of people in the UK consider desecrating a war memorial to be totally unacceptable and that such crimes are only committed by the lowest of the low. If I desecrated a war memorial, I don't think my life would be worth living . In any event it would be instant dismissal from my job and loss of a hard earned professional qualification..There are some things in life that you just do not do. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
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Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative! "So before the conservative party was even formed then? Like any other crime? So all crimes should be treated the same?
Who is foaming at the mouth and what makes you think that myself and the poster who mentioned the stocks are right wing and conservative?
Most of my family and friends support Labour but would agree that the perpetrators of a crime like that deserve to be shamed and punished in a way that the stocks provided. Maybe not literrally but in some similar way | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
.
Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative! . However the majority of people in the UK consider desecrating a war memorial to be totally unacceptable and that such crimes are only committed by the lowest of the low. If I desecrated a war memorial, I don't think my life would be worth living . In any event it would be instant dismissal from my job and loss of a hard earned professional qualification..There are some things in life that you just do not do.".I think there called laws pat! Unlike you,i can't speak for the majority of the uk. However personally I find it to be a very rare occurrence, usually done by mob mentality or alcohol inducement!.I find it less disturbing than someone kicking someone else's head like a football on a Friday night! It's not the end of the world, or a personal attack upon my grandfather, it's just a grown person acting child like (put two children together and one will knock down the blocks the other has built). | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
.
Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative!
So before the conservative party was even formed then?
Like any other crime? So all crimes should be treated the same?
Who is foaming at the mouth and what makes you think that myself and the poster who mentioned the stocks are right wing and conservative?
Most of my family and friends support Labour but would agree that the perpetrators of a crime like that deserve to be shamed and punished in a way that the stocks provided. Maybe not literrally but in some similar way". The conservative party was founded in the 19th century! Like any other crime does not mean all crimes are the same! Stop foaming and start thinking | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
.
Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative!
So before the conservative party was even formed then?
Like any other crime? So all crimes should be treated the same?
Who is foaming at the mouth and what makes you think that myself and the poster who mentioned the stocks are right wing and conservative?
Most of my family and friends support Labour but would agree that the perpetrators of a crime like that deserve to be shamed and punished in a way that the stocks provided. Maybe not literrally but in some similar way.
The conservative party was founded in the 19th century!
Like any other crime does not mean all crimes are the same!
Stop foaming and start thinking"Ye 1843 I think. So what does like any other crime mean? Think? Do you think your grandfather would look upon it the way you do? | |||
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"It's seems strange that people are het up about the war memorial, let's remember that this was a single incident done by one individual. Vast majority of protesters were horrified by it, we go on a march so that our voice is heard not to alienate people." But the poster seems to think that war memorials are a symbol of the states power over the people and can understand why they are desecrated. Do you? Can you? | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
.
Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative!
So before the conservative party was even formed then?
Like any other crime? So all crimes should be treated the same?
Who is foaming at the mouth and what makes you think that myself and the poster who mentioned the stocks are right wing and conservative?
Most of my family and friends support Labour but would agree that the perpetrators of a crime like that deserve to be shamed and punished in a way that the stocks provided. Maybe not literrally but in some similar way.
The conservative party was founded in the 19th century!
Like any other crime does not mean all crimes are the same!
Stop foaming and start thinking
Ye 1843 I think.
So what does like any other crime mean?
Think? Do you think your grandfather would look upon it the way you do?". Like any other crime means, it gets treated like any other crime. Due process. I think my g/grandfather would wish he didn't die in that fucking stupid war he didn't start and was conscripted into by the power of the state! | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
.
Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative!
So before the conservative party was even formed then?
Like any other crime? So all crimes should be treated the same?
Who is foaming at the mouth and what makes you think that myself and the poster who mentioned the stocks are right wing and conservative?
Most of my family and friends support Labour but would agree that the perpetrators of a crime like that deserve to be shamed and punished in a way that the stocks provided. Maybe not literrally but in some similar way.
The conservative party was founded in the 19th century!
Like any other crime does not mean all crimes are the same!
Stop foaming and start thinking
Ye 1843 I think.
So what does like any other crime mean?
Think? Do you think your grandfather would look upon it the way you do?.
Like any other crime means, it gets treated like any other crime.
Due process.
I think my g/grandfather would wish he didn't die in that fucking stupid war he didn't start and was conscripted into by the power of the state!"If you mean ww1 yes it was a stupid war but we should still remember the fallen and pay our respects to them at monuments which have been mainly funded by ordinary people and not the state and which shouldnt be damaged at any cost. And by the state do you mean the Liberal party? Or do you mean ww2 where we had to defend ourselves against invasion from the National Socialist German Workers Party? | |||
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"Anyone else going?" Peaceful protest doesn't work,never has and never will.. | |||
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"Anyone else going? Peaceful protest doesn't work,never has and never will.." Ghandi might argue that one | |||
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"Anyone else going? Peaceful protest doesn't work,never has and never will.." Peaceful, non violent protest can as does work as shown by both Ghandi and Martin Luther King. Also the change in attitude to homosexuality that had spread across the Western World in the last 20 years had been achieved mostly by non violent protect. Where it tends not to work is when the protestors are not totally non violent, they want immediate change and that change is against the clearly expressed _iews and wishes of the majority. | |||
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"Dunno why we are still talking about this it was a complete washout. A few hundred bothered to turn up 5%-10% of those who said they were going to go." When has the fact that its totally irrelevant now ever been an excuse not to have a pointless argument. | |||
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"Anyone else going? Peaceful protest doesn't work,never has and never will.. Ghandi might argue that one" Are we talking ghandi who funded and supported different fundamentals throughout his life,preaching nonviolence while still putting together an army to fight in the so called world wars or you talking about ghandi the pop culture icon with a halo over his head.. Ghandi.. really | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
.
Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative!
So before the conservative party was even formed then?
Like any other crime? So all crimes should be treated the same?
Who is foaming at the mouth and what makes you think that myself and the poster who mentioned the stocks are right wing and conservative?
Most of my family and friends support Labour but would agree that the perpetrators of a crime like that deserve to be shamed and punished in a way that the stocks provided. Maybe not literrally but in some similar way.
The conservative party was founded in the 19th century!
Like any other crime does not mean all crimes are the same!
Stop foaming and start thinking
Ye 1843 I think.
So what does like any other crime mean?
Think? Do you think your grandfather would look upon it the way you do?.
Like any other crime means, it gets treated like any other crime.
Due process.
I think my g/grandfather would wish he didn't die in that fucking stupid war he didn't start and was conscripted into by the power of the state!
If you mean ww1 yes it was a stupid war but we should still remember the fallen and pay our respects to them at monuments which have been mainly funded by ordinary people and not the state and which shouldnt be damaged at any cost. And by the state do you mean the Liberal party?
Or do you mean ww2 where we had to defend ourselves against invasion from the National Socialist German Workers Party?". If you conscript millions of citizens into fighting a war they didn't start or want and millions die fighting that war, you have in effect murdered them!. If that isn't an abuse of state power, I don't know what is! I like the way you throw ww2 and fighting against invasion by nazi socialists into the mix, like there's such a thing anyhow!. A French general at the signing of Versailles said, this isn't a peace treaty, it's a twenty year cease fire!. You reap what you sow! | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
.
Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative!
So before the conservative party was even formed then?
Like any other crime? So all crimes should be treated the same?
Who is foaming at the mouth and what makes you think that myself and the poster who mentioned the stocks are right wing and conservative?
Most of my family and friends support Labour but would agree that the perpetrators of a crime like that deserve to be shamed and punished in a way that the stocks provided. Maybe not literrally but in some similar way.
The conservative party was founded in the 19th century!
Like any other crime does not mean all crimes are the same!
Stop foaming and start thinking
Ye 1843 I think.
So what does like any other crime mean?
Think? Do you think your grandfather would look upon it the way you do?.
Like any other crime means, it gets treated like any other crime.
Due process.
I think my g/grandfather would wish he didn't die in that fucking stupid war he didn't start and was conscripted into by the power of the state!
If you mean ww1 yes it was a stupid war but we should still remember the fallen and pay our respects to them at monuments which have been mainly funded by ordinary people and not the state and which shouldnt be damaged at any cost. And by the state do you mean the Liberal party?
Or do you mean ww2 where we had to defend ourselves against invasion from the National Socialist German Workers Party?.
If you conscript millions of citizens into fighting a war they didn't start or want and millions die fighting that war, you have in effect murdered them!. If that isn't an abuse of state power, I don't know what is!
I like the way you throw ww2 and fighting against invasion by nazi socialists into the mix, like there's such a thing anyhow!.
A French general at the signing of Versailles said, this isn't a peace treaty, it's a twenty year cease fire!.
You reap what you sow!"There were millions more volounteers than conscripts so how do you explain that? And without conscription they might have been murdered anyway along with their wives and children and the weak and vulnerable in society and the state would have been negligent in its duty of protecting its citizens. And what was the nazi party or the party formed by Hitier actually called then? And yes by defacing monuments to people who made the ultimate sacrifice you reap what you sow. I'm sorry but for the life of me I cannot understand how you understand why people would want to do that | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
.
Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative!
So before the conservative party was even formed then?
Like any other crime? So all crimes should be treated the same?
Who is foaming at the mouth and what makes you think that myself and the poster who mentioned the stocks are right wing and conservative?
Most of my family and friends support Labour but would agree that the perpetrators of a crime like that deserve to be shamed and punished in a way that the stocks provided. Maybe not literrally but in some similar way.
The conservative party was founded in the 19th century!
Like any other crime does not mean all crimes are the same!
Stop foaming and start thinking
Ye 1843 I think.
So what does like any other crime mean?
Think? Do you think your grandfather would look upon it the way you do?.
Like any other crime means, it gets treated like any other crime.
Due process.
I think my g/grandfather would wish he didn't die in that fucking stupid war he didn't start and was conscripted into by the power of the state!
If you mean ww1 yes it was a stupid war but we should still remember the fallen and pay our respects to them at monuments which have been mainly funded by ordinary people and not the state and which shouldnt be damaged at any cost. And by the state do you mean the Liberal party?
Or do you mean ww2 where we had to defend ourselves against invasion from the National Socialist German Workers Party?.
If you conscript millions of citizens into fighting a war they didn't start or want and millions die fighting that war, you have in effect murdered them!. If that isn't an abuse of state power, I don't know what is!
I like the way you throw ww2 and fighting against invasion by nazi socialists into the mix, like there's such a thing anyhow!.
A French general at the signing of Versailles said, this isn't a peace treaty, it's a twenty year cease fire!.
You reap what you sow!
There were millions more volounteers than conscripts so how do you explain that? And without conscription they might have been murdered anyway along with their wives and children and the weak and vulnerable in society and the state would have been negligent in its duty of protecting its citizens.
And what was the nazi party or the party formed by Hitier actually called then?
And yes by defacing monuments to people who made the ultimate sacrifice you reap what you sow.
I'm sorry but for the life of me I cannot understand how you understand why people would want to do that". Excellent post and well thought out points | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
.
Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative!
So before the conservative party was even formed then?
Like any other crime? So all crimes should be treated the same?
Who is foaming at the mouth and what makes you think that myself and the poster who mentioned the stocks are right wing and conservative?
Most of my family and friends support Labour but would agree that the perpetrators of a crime like that deserve to be shamed and punished in a way that the stocks provided. Maybe not literrally but in some similar way.
The conservative party was founded in the 19th century!
Like any other crime does not mean all crimes are the same!
Stop foaming and start thinking
Ye 1843 I think.
So what does like any other crime mean?
Think? Do you think your grandfather would look upon it the way you do?.
Like any other crime means, it gets treated like any other crime.
Due process.
I think my g/grandfather would wish he didn't die in that fucking stupid war he didn't start and was conscripted into by the power of the state!
If you mean ww1 yes it was a stupid war but we should still remember the fallen and pay our respects to them at monuments which have been mainly funded by ordinary people and not the state and which shouldnt be damaged at any cost. And by the state do you mean the Liberal party?
Or do you mean ww2 where we had to defend ourselves against invasion from the National Socialist German Workers Party?.
If you conscript millions of citizens into fighting a war they didn't start or want and millions die fighting that war, you have in effect murdered them!. If that isn't an abuse of state power, I don't know what is!
I like the way you throw ww2 and fighting against invasion by nazi socialists into the mix, like there's such a thing anyhow!.
A French general at the signing of Versailles said, this isn't a peace treaty, it's a twenty year cease fire!.
You reap what you sow!
There were millions more volounteers than conscripts so how do you explain that? And without conscription they might have been murdered anyway along with their wives and children and the weak and vulnerable in society and the state would have been negligent in its duty of protecting its citizens.
And what was the nazi party or the party formed by Hitier actually called then?
And yes by defacing monuments to people who made the ultimate sacrifice you reap what you sow.
I'm sorry but for the life of me I cannot understand how you understand why people would want to do that". Well unless your completely naive, there was a massive government propaganda campaign to get alot of those "volunteers", so most men felt enormous pressure to volunteer and when that ran dry they legally conscripted you!. What you got in ww2 with the Nazi party is exactly what happens when citizens hand over their power to governments. They may get in the front door with promises of socialism but they nearly always revert to right wing fascism ideology!. There is/was plenty of people who sacrifice lots in life and for this country, they fought for freedom and rights!, so the worse way to dishonour their sacrifice is to hand over your freedom and rights to anyone including your own government, who are there too represent the peoples wishes, not their own beliefs! | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
.
Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative!
So before the conservative party was even formed then?
Like any other crime? So all crimes should be treated the same?
Who is foaming at the mouth and what makes you think that myself and the poster who mentioned the stocks are right wing and conservative?
Most of my family and friends support Labour but would agree that the perpetrators of a crime like that deserve to be shamed and punished in a way that the stocks provided. Maybe not literrally but in some similar way.
The conservative party was founded in the 19th century!
Like any other crime does not mean all crimes are the same!
Stop foaming and start thinking
Ye 1843 I think.
So what does like any other crime mean?
Think? Do you think your grandfather would look upon it the way you do?.
Like any other crime means, it gets treated like any other crime.
Due process.
I think my g/grandfather would wish he didn't die in that fucking stupid war he didn't start and was conscripted into by the power of the state!
If you mean ww1 yes it was a stupid war but we should still remember the fallen and pay our respects to them at monuments which have been mainly funded by ordinary people and not the state and which shouldnt be damaged at any cost. And by the state do you mean the Liberal party?
Or do you mean ww2 where we had to defend ourselves against invasion from the National Socialist German Workers Party?.
If you conscript millions of citizens into fighting a war they didn't start or want and millions die fighting that war, you have in effect murdered them!. If that isn't an abuse of state power, I don't know what is!
I like the way you throw ww2 and fighting against invasion by nazi socialists into the mix, like there's such a thing anyhow!.
A French general at the signing of Versailles said, this isn't a peace treaty, it's a twenty year cease fire!.
You reap what you sow!
There were millions more volounteers than conscripts so how do you explain that? And without conscription they might have been murdered anyway along with their wives and children and the weak and vulnerable in society and the state would have been negligent in its duty of protecting its citizens.
And what was the nazi party or the party formed by Hitier actually called then?
And yes by defacing monuments to people who made the ultimate sacrifice you reap what you sow.
I'm sorry but for the life of me I cannot understand how you understand why people would want to do that.
Well unless your completely naive, there was a massive government propaganda campaign to get alot of those "volunteers", so most men felt enormous pressure to volunteer and when that ran dry they legally conscripted you!.
What you got in ww2 with the Nazi party is exactly what happens when citizens hand over their power to governments. They may get in the front door with promises of socialism but they nearly always revert to right wing fascism ideology!.
There is/was plenty of people who sacrifice lots in life and for this country, they fought for freedom and rights!, so the worse way to dishonour their sacrifice is to hand over your freedom and rights to anyone including your own government, who are there too represent the peoples wishes, not their own beliefs!"On a point of law. Legally your MP is not there to represent either your wishes and beliefs or his own. Legally an MP is meant to vote for what he believes to be in the interests of the United Kingdom regardless of his own personal benefit or indeed even his own constituency. | |||
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"How much will it cost ? "The cost to local council tax payers will be high , esp when its high jacked by those hell bent or looting local shops With the misguided ideology that they its there right to steal form those who work hard . | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
.
Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative!
So before the conservative party was even formed then?
Like any other crime? So all crimes should be treated the same?
Who is foaming at the mouth and what makes you think that myself and the poster who mentioned the stocks are right wing and conservative?
Most of my family and friends support Labour but would agree that the perpetrators of a crime like that deserve to be shamed and punished in a way that the stocks provided. Maybe not literrally but in some similar way.
The conservative party was founded in the 19th century!
Like any other crime does not mean all crimes are the same!
Stop foaming and start thinking
Ye 1843 I think.
So what does like any other crime mean?
Think? Do you think your grandfather would look upon it the way you do?.
Like any other crime means, it gets treated like any other crime.
Due process.
I think my g/grandfather would wish he didn't die in that fucking stupid war he didn't start and was conscripted into by the power of the state!
If you mean ww1 yes it was a stupid war but we should still remember the fallen and pay our respects to them at monuments which have been mainly funded by ordinary people and not the state and which shouldnt be damaged at any cost. And by the state do you mean the Liberal party?
Or do you mean ww2 where we had to defend ourselves against invasion from the National Socialist German Workers Party?.
If you conscript millions of citizens into fighting a war they didn't start or want and millions die fighting that war, you have in effect murdered them!. If that isn't an abuse of state power, I don't know what is!
I like the way you throw ww2 and fighting against invasion by nazi socialists into the mix, like there's such a thing anyhow!.
A French general at the signing of Versailles said, this isn't a peace treaty, it's a twenty year cease fire!.
You reap what you sow!
There were millions more volounteers than conscripts so how do you explain that? And without conscription they might have been murdered anyway along with their wives and children and the weak and vulnerable in society and the state would have been negligent in its duty of protecting its citizens.
And what was the nazi party or the party formed by Hitier actually called then?
And yes by defacing monuments to people who made the ultimate sacrifice you reap what you sow.
I'm sorry but for the life of me I cannot understand how you understand why people would want to do that.
Well unless your completely naive, there was a massive government propaganda campaign to get alot of those "volunteers", so most men felt enormous pressure to volunteer and when that ran dry they legally conscripted you!.
What you got in ww2 with the Nazi party is exactly what happens when citizens hand over their power to governments. They may get in the front door with promises of socialism but they nearly always revert to right wing fascism ideology!.
There is/was plenty of people who sacrifice lots in life and for this country, they fought for freedom and rights!, so the worse way to dishonour their sacrifice is to hand over your freedom and rights to anyone including your own government, who are there too represent the peoples wishes, not their own beliefs!
On a point of law.
Legally your MP is not there to represent either your wishes and beliefs or his own. Legally an MP is meant to vote for what he believes to be in the interests of the United Kingdom regardless of his own personal benefit or indeed even his own constituency."Source/reference as that surely makes the whip system illegal? | |||
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"Fascism is the antithesis of democracy. Therefore are the people who went on this march not fascists? And yes fascism and nazism were both born out of socialism. And if an mp has to act on what he believes is best for his country isn't that his belief??? Or are you saying that a lot are breaking the law?" He should act on what he believes to best for the whole UK not on what he believes in. It's a subtle differences. As an extreme example a Muslim MP might take the teachings on Sharia law very seriously and believe that they are good laws but possibly vote against there introduction in the UK because he doesn't believe that introducing them here is in the best interests of the whole of the UK. Also, as it is impossible to know what a person truly believes it would be impossible to formulate a law that could be prosecuted so no law, except the laws on treason, has ever been passed. However the legally the MP is neither your representative not delegate. He is meant to act on what he believes is in the best interests of all British Citizens [or subjects as it was] in all territories (such as the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar). It's actually called Virtual Representation. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
.
Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative!
So before the conservative party was even formed then?
Like any other crime? So all crimes should be treated the same?
Who is foaming at the mouth and what makes you think that myself and the poster who mentioned the stocks are right wing and conservative?
Most of my family and friends support Labour but would agree that the perpetrators of a crime like that deserve to be shamed and punished in a way that the stocks provided. Maybe not literrally but in some similar way.
The conservative party was founded in the 19th century!
Like any other crime does not mean all crimes are the same!
Stop foaming and start thinking
Ye 1843 I think.
So what does like any other crime mean?
Think? Do you think your grandfather would look upon it the way you do?.
Like any other crime means, it gets treated like any other crime.
Due process.
I think my g/grandfather would wish he didn't die in that fucking stupid war he didn't start and was conscripted into by the power of the state!
If you mean ww1 yes it was a stupid war but we should still remember the fallen and pay our respects to them at monuments which have been mainly funded by ordinary people and not the state and which shouldnt be damaged at any cost. And by the state do you mean the Liberal party?
Or do you mean ww2 where we had to defend ourselves against invasion from the National Socialist German Workers Party?.
If you conscript millions of citizens into fighting a war they didn't start or want and millions die fighting that war, you have in effect murdered them!. If that isn't an abuse of state power, I don't know what is!
I like the way you throw ww2 and fighting against invasion by nazi socialists into the mix, like there's such a thing anyhow!.
A French general at the signing of Versailles said, this isn't a peace treaty, it's a twenty year cease fire!.
You reap what you sow!
There were millions more volounteers than conscripts so how do you explain that? And without conscription they might have been murdered anyway along with their wives and children and the weak and vulnerable in society and the state would have been negligent in its duty of protecting its citizens.
And what was the nazi party or the party formed by Hitier actually called then?
And yes by defacing monuments to people who made the ultimate sacrifice you reap what you sow.
I'm sorry but for the life of me I cannot understand how you understand why people would want to do that.
Well unless your completely naive, there was a massive government propaganda campaign to get alot of those "volunteers", so most men felt enormous pressure to volunteer and when that ran dry they legally conscripted you!.
What you got in ww2 with the Nazi party is exactly what happens when citizens hand over their power to governments. They may get in the front door with promises of socialism but they nearly always revert to right wing fascism ideology!.
There is/was plenty of people who sacrifice lots in life and for this country, they fought for freedom and rights!, so the worse way to dishonour their sacrifice is to hand over your freedom and rights to anyone including your own government, who are there too represent the peoples wishes, not their own beliefs!
On a point of law.
Legally your MP is not there to represent either your wishes and beliefs or his own. Legally an MP is meant to vote for what he believes to be in the interests of the United Kingdom regardless of his own personal benefit or indeed even his own constituency.
Source/reference as that surely makes the whip system illegal?"Actually it's pretty what created the whip system. The whip system is designed to prevent individual MPs from doing what maybe in the best interests of either themselves or their constituents and do what (in the parties mind) is in the national interest. | |||
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"Fascism is the antithesis of democracy. Therefore are the people who went on this march not fascists? And yes fascism and nazism were both born out of socialism. And if an mp has to act on what he believes is best for his country isn't that his belief??? Or are you saying that a lot are breaking the law? He should act on what he believes to best for the whole UK not on what he believes in. It's a subtle differences. As an extreme example a Muslim MP might take the teachings on Sharia law very seriously and believe that they are good laws but possibly vote against there introduction in the UK because he doesn't believe that introducing them here is in the best interests of the whole of the UK. Also, as it is impossible to know what a person truly believes it would be impossible to formulate a law that could be prosecuted so no law, except the laws on treason, has ever been passed. However the legally the MP is neither your representative not delegate. He is meant to act on what he believes is in the best interests of all British Citizens [or subjects as it was] in all territories (such as the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar). It's actually called Virtual Representation." Impressed | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
.
Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative!
So before the conservative party was even formed then?
Like any other crime? So all crimes should be treated the same?
Who is foaming at the mouth and what makes you think that myself and the poster who mentioned the stocks are right wing and conservative?
Most of my family and friends support Labour but would agree that the perpetrators of a crime like that deserve to be shamed and punished in a way that the stocks provided. Maybe not literrally but in some similar way.
The conservative party was founded in the 19th century!
Like any other crime does not mean all crimes are the same!
Stop foaming and start thinking
Ye 1843 I think.
So what does like any other crime mean?
Think? Do you think your grandfather would look upon it the way you do?.
Like any other crime means, it gets treated like any other crime.
Due process.
I think my g/grandfather would wish he didn't die in that fucking stupid war he didn't start and was conscripted into by the power of the state!
If you mean ww1 yes it was a stupid war but we should still remember the fallen and pay our respects to them at monuments which have been mainly funded by ordinary people and not the state and which shouldnt be damaged at any cost. And by the state do you mean the Liberal party?
Or do you mean ww2 where we had to defend ourselves against invasion from the National Socialist German Workers Party?.
If you conscript millions of citizens into fighting a war they didn't start or want and millions die fighting that war, you have in effect murdered them!. If that isn't an abuse of state power, I don't know what is!
I like the way you throw ww2 and fighting against invasion by nazi socialists into the mix, like there's such a thing anyhow!.
A French general at the signing of Versailles said, this isn't a peace treaty, it's a twenty year cease fire!.
You reap what you sow!
There were millions more volounteers than conscripts so how do you explain that? And without conscription they might have been murdered anyway along with their wives and children and the weak and vulnerable in society and the state would have been negligent in its duty of protecting its citizens.
And what was the nazi party or the party formed by Hitier actually called then?
And yes by defacing monuments to people who made the ultimate sacrifice you reap what you sow.
I'm sorry but for the life of me I cannot understand how you understand why people would want to do that.
Well unless your completely naive, there was a massive government propaganda campaign to get alot of those "volunteers", so most men felt enormous pressure to volunteer and when that ran dry they legally conscripted you!.
What you got in ww2 with the Nazi party is exactly what happens when citizens hand over their power to governments. They may get in the front door with promises of socialism but they nearly always revert to right wing fascism ideology!.
There is/was plenty of people who sacrifice lots in life and for this country, they fought for freedom and rights!, so the worse way to dishonour their sacrifice is to hand over your freedom and rights to anyone including your own government, who are there too represent the peoples wishes, not their own beliefs!
On a point of law.
Legally your MP is not there to represent either your wishes and beliefs or his own. Legally an MP is meant to vote for what he believes to be in the interests of the United Kingdom regardless of his own personal benefit or indeed even his own constituency.
Source/reference as that surely makes the whip system illegal?
Actually it's pretty what created the whip system. The whip system is designed to prevent individual MPs from doing what maybe in the best interests of either themselves or their constituents and do what (in the parties mind) is in the national interest."but you just said "Legally an MP is meant to vote for what he believes to be in the interests of the United Kingdom " not what the party belives . so you're now contradicting yourself. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
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Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative!
So before the conservative party was even formed then?
Like any other crime? So all crimes should be treated the same?
Who is foaming at the mouth and what makes you think that myself and the poster who mentioned the stocks are right wing and conservative?
Most of my family and friends support Labour but would agree that the perpetrators of a crime like that deserve to be shamed and punished in a way that the stocks provided. Maybe not literrally but in some similar way.
The conservative party was founded in the 19th century!
Like any other crime does not mean all crimes are the same!
Stop foaming and start thinking
Ye 1843 I think.
So what does like any other crime mean?
Think? Do you think your grandfather would look upon it the way you do?.
Like any other crime means, it gets treated like any other crime.
Due process.
I think my g/grandfather would wish he didn't die in that fucking stupid war he didn't start and was conscripted into by the power of the state!
If you mean ww1 yes it was a stupid war but we should still remember the fallen and pay our respects to them at monuments which have been mainly funded by ordinary people and not the state and which shouldnt be damaged at any cost. And by the state do you mean the Liberal party?
Or do you mean ww2 where we had to defend ourselves against invasion from the National Socialist German Workers Party?.
If you conscript millions of citizens into fighting a war they didn't start or want and millions die fighting that war, you have in effect murdered them!. If that isn't an abuse of state power, I don't know what is!
I like the way you throw ww2 and fighting against invasion by nazi socialists into the mix, like there's such a thing anyhow!.
A French general at the signing of Versailles said, this isn't a peace treaty, it's a twenty year cease fire!.
You reap what you sow!
There were millions more volounteers than conscripts so how do you explain that? And without conscription they might have been murdered anyway along with their wives and children and the weak and vulnerable in society and the state would have been negligent in its duty of protecting its citizens.
And what was the nazi party or the party formed by Hitier actually called then?
And yes by defacing monuments to people who made the ultimate sacrifice you reap what you sow.
I'm sorry but for the life of me I cannot understand how you understand why people would want to do that.
Well unless your completely naive, there was a massive government propaganda campaign to get alot of those "volunteers", so most men felt enormous pressure to volunteer and when that ran dry they legally conscripted you!.
What you got in ww2 with the Nazi party is exactly what happens when citizens hand over their power to governments. They may get in the front door with promises of socialism but they nearly always revert to right wing fascism ideology!.
There is/was plenty of people who sacrifice lots in life and for this country, they fought for freedom and rights!, so the worse way to dishonour their sacrifice is to hand over your freedom and rights to anyone including your own government, who are there too represent the peoples wishes, not their own beliefs!
On a point of law.
Legally your MP is not there to represent either your wishes and beliefs or his own. Legally an MP is meant to vote for what he believes to be in the interests of the United Kingdom regardless of his own personal benefit or indeed even his own constituency.
Source/reference as that surely makes the whip system illegal?
Actually it's pretty what created the whip system. The whip system is designed to prevent individual MPs from doing what maybe in the best interests of either themselves or their constituents and do what (in the parties mind) is in the national interest.
but you just said "Legally an MP is meant to vote for what he believes to be in the interests of the United Kingdom " not what the party belives . so you're now contradicting yourself."It's the job of the whips to convince him that what they believe to be in the best interests of the nation is on fact in the best interests of the nation. However, legally, the whips have no authority over an MP. The reality of how an MP actually votes and what makes an MP vote a particular way can never be truly known but that does not change the fact that in law they are meant to vote for what they believe to be in the best interests of the whole nation and not what they may believe to he in either their best interests or the best interests of one part of the nation exclusively. Google Virtual Representation. Most articles about it are in relation to the American War of Independence but you should get a reasonable idea of the concept from them. | |||
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"Power does not lie with governments or the democratically elected representatives, it's held as it should be, by the people. Those who chose to give their rights away deserve everything that will come to them. The right to petition the monarch should be without fear of retribution. They didn't fight for that right for nothing! And I for one don't wish to give it away. So it will be a peaceful protest then? Or will there be a fair few assholes amongst you? Seems to be de riguer to deface war memorials . War memorials are seen as a sign of the states power over its people!. I don't condone it but I understand it. Really,who sees them as that? I see them as a mark of respect for the fallen,lest their sacrifice ever be forgotten.. As for the defacers of,public stocks of a weekend afternoon.That would be amusing. Dead right .
You ask where I get the idea that there is certain conservatives that would like to bring back 19th century ideology.... Voila
They had stocks in the 19th century?
And your response to people who desecrate war memorials would be what?
Light spot of counselling?
Creative painting course?
Or a pat on the head?
.
Yeah right up until the 19th century!
I would treat it like any other crime funnily enough, like I said I don't condone it but it doesn't make me foam at the mouth like a rabid right wing bring back the stocks conservative!
So before the conservative party was even formed then?
Like any other crime? So all crimes should be treated the same?
Who is foaming at the mouth and what makes you think that myself and the poster who mentioned the stocks are right wing and conservative?
Most of my family and friends support Labour but would agree that the perpetrators of a crime like that deserve to be shamed and punished in a way that the stocks provided. Maybe not literrally but in some similar way.
The conservative party was founded in the 19th century!
Like any other crime does not mean all crimes are the same!
Stop foaming and start thinking
Ye 1843 I think.
So what does like any other crime mean?
Think? Do you think your grandfather would look upon it the way you do?.
Like any other crime means, it gets treated like any other crime.
Due process.
I think my g/grandfather would wish he didn't die in that fucking stupid war he didn't start and was conscripted into by the power of the state!
If you mean ww1 yes it was a stupid war but we should still remember the fallen and pay our respects to them at monuments which have been mainly funded by ordinary people and not the state and which shouldnt be damaged at any cost. And by the state do you mean the Liberal party?
Or do you mean ww2 where we had to defend ourselves against invasion from the National Socialist German Workers Party?.
If you conscript millions of citizens into fighting a war they didn't start or want and millions die fighting that war, you have in effect murdered them!. If that isn't an abuse of state power, I don't know what is!
I like the way you throw ww2 and fighting against invasion by nazi socialists into the mix, like there's such a thing anyhow!.
A French general at the signing of Versailles said, this isn't a peace treaty, it's a twenty year cease fire!.
You reap what you sow!
There were millions more volounteers than conscripts so how do you explain that? And without conscription they might have been murdered anyway along with their wives and children and the weak and vulnerable in society and the state would have been negligent in its duty of protecting its citizens.
And what was the nazi party or the party formed by Hitier actually called then?
And yes by defacing monuments to people who made the ultimate sacrifice you reap what you sow.
I'm sorry but for the life of me I cannot understand how you understand why people would want to do that.
Well unless your completely naive, there was a massive government propaganda campaign to get alot of those "volunteers", so most men felt enormous pressure to volunteer and when that ran dry they legally conscripted you!.
What you got in ww2 with the Nazi party is exactly what happens when citizens hand over their power to governments. They may get in the front door with promises of socialism but they nearly always revert to right wing fascism ideology!.
There is/was plenty of people who sacrifice lots in life and for this country, they fought for freedom and rights!, so the worse way to dishonour their sacrifice is to hand over your freedom and rights to anyone including your own government, who are there too represent the peoples wishes, not their own beliefs!
On a point of law.
Legally your MP is not there to represent either your wishes and beliefs or his own. Legally an MP is meant to vote for what he believes to be in the interests of the United Kingdom regardless of his own personal benefit or indeed even his own constituency.
Source/reference as that surely makes the whip system illegal?
Actually it's pretty what created the whip system. The whip system is designed to prevent individual MPs from doing what maybe in the best interests of either themselves or their constituents and do what (in the parties mind) is in the national interest.
but you just said "Legally an MP is meant to vote for what he believes to be in the interests of the United Kingdom " not what the party belives . so you're now contradicting yourself.
It's the job of the whips to convince him that what they believe to be in the best interests of the nation is on fact in the best interests of the nation. However, legally, the whips have no authority over an MP. The reality of how an MP actually votes and what makes an MP vote a particular way can never be truly known but that does not change the fact that in law they are meant to vote for what they believe to be in the best interests of the whole nation and not what they may believe to he in either their best interests or the best interests of one part of the nation exclusively. Google Virtual Representation. Most articles about it are in relation to the American War of Independence but you should get a reasonable idea of the concept from them."So. Basically what you're saying is...nowt? Or the law you mention is a load o bolox? Damn, I love a good arg.... err.. debate on here | |||
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" On a point of law. Legally your MP is not there to represent either your wishes and beliefs or his own. Legally an MP is meant to vote for what he believes to be in the interests of the United Kingdom regardless of his own personal benefit or indeed even his own constituency. Source/reference as that surely makes the whip system illegal? Actually it's pretty what created the whip system. The whip system is designed to prevent individual MPs from doing what maybe in the best interests of either themselves or their constituents and do what (in the parties mind) is in the national interest. but you just said "Legally an MP is meant to vote for what he believes to be in the interests of the United Kingdom " not what the party belives . so you're now contradicting yourself. It's the job of the whips to convince him that what they believe to be in the best interests of the nation is on fact in the best interests of the nation. However, legally, the whips have no authority over an MP. The reality of how an MP actually votes and what makes an MP vote a particular way can never be truly known but that does not change the fact that in law they are meant to vote for what they believe to be in the best interests of the whole nation and not what they may believe to he in either their best interests or the best interests of one part of the nation exclusively. Google Virtual Representation. Most articles about it are in relation to the American War of Independence but you should get a reasonable idea of the concept from them. So. Basically what you're saying is...nowt? Or the law you mention is a load o bolox? Damn, I love a good arg.... err.. debate on here "Actually it's not blocks. The principle of Virtual Representation is best explained in Sir William Blackstones' Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765 - 1769) where he clearly says:- The number of English MPs is 513, and of Scots 45; in all 558. And every member, though chosen by one particular district, when elected and returned serves for the whole realm. For the end of his coming thither is not particular, but general; not barely to advantage his constituents, but the common wealth; to advise his majesty (as appears from the writ of summons "de dommuni consillio super negotiis qubusdam arduis et urentibus, regem, status et defensionem regni Angliae et ecclesiae Anglicanae concernentibus" [concerning the common council upon certain difficult and urgent affairs relating to the king, the state, the defence of the kingdom of England and of the English church]. And therefor he is not bound, like a deputy in the united provinces, to consult with, or take the advice, of his constituents upon any particular point, unless he himself thinks it proper or prudent so to do. And as set out by Algernon Sidney, the person who thought up the ideas behind the principle of Virtual Representation put it in 1680 and as quoted in 'VIRTUAL REPRESENTATION AND THE PARLIAMENTARY OLIGARCHY' Sidney then distinguishes between the Netherland and Swiss governments, which are federal, and the English, which is national. He decides that "it is not therefore for Kent or Sussex, Lewis or Maidstone but for the whole nation, that the members chosen in those places are sent to serve in Parliament. And though it be fit for them as friends and neighbours, so far as may be, to hearken to the opinions of the electors for the information of their judgments, and to the end that what they shall say may be of more weight, when every one is known not to speak his own thoughts only, but those of a great number of men, yet they are not strictly and properly obliged to give account of their actions to any, except the whole body of the nation which they serve, and who are equally concerned in their resolutions." Since this is not practical [edit: to police]," the only punishment to which they are subject, if they betray their trust, is scorn, infamy, hatred, and an assurance of being rejected, when they shall again seek the same honour. Virtual Representation is the bases on which all MPs in the house of commons sit to this day. They represent and are meant to vote for what they believe to be the best interest of the whole nation (including any part of the nation permanently overseas such as a colony), not just their constituents or those that voted for them. | |||
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