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www.metro.co.uk/2015/05/22/irish-people-from-around-the-world-are-going-hometovote-today-and-its-incredible-5209884/
Ireland is having a referendum on same-sex marriage today.
If it passes, it will become the first country to introduce the legislation by popular vote.
Because of Irish voting laws, expats aren’t allowed to vote today unless they’re actually in the country.
Refusing to let go of their say because of a technicality, lots and lots of people have been going back to Ireland over the past 24 hours so they can vote today.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I've just been reading tweets and the amount of people that have travelled huge distances to vote is overwhelming.
I feel really emotional and proud. 
I've voted. YES to equality! 
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I've just been reading tweets and the amount of people that have travelled huge distances to vote is overwhelming.
I feel really emotional and proud.
I've voted. YES to equality!
Xx"
Love the clover!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It seems odd that those who've sought fame and fortune elsewhere should still seek to have a say in the lives of those they left behind."
Maybe some people intend to return home down the line?
Would be nice to come home to "change" |
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"It seems odd that those who've sought fame and fortune elsewhere should still seek to have a say in the lives of those they left behind."
Laughing at 'fame and fortune'.
It's a positive change.
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"It seems odd that those who've sought fame and fortune elsewhere should still seek to have a say in the lives of those they left behind.
Maybe some people intend to return home down the line?
Would be nice to come home to "change" "
Yeah! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've just been reading tweets and the amount of people that have travelled huge distances to vote is overwhelming.
I feel really emotional and proud.
I've voted. YES to equality!
Xx
Love the clover!!"
Isn't it a shamrock. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My Facebook is full of my family turning out to out.
There is a rainbow flag flying from a Catholic Church in cork, I know the priest and he wanted to show his support.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I just think and thus is my opinion I wud not like see 2 guys walking down street kissing also children need mother and father I no they don't always get them but I no I'll get bashed but that my opinion I no gay ppl and am friends with them but not sure is Ireland ready for gay marriage |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I just think and thus is my opinion I wud not like see 2 guys walking down street kissing also children need mother and father I no they don't always get them but I no I'll get bashed but that my opinion I no gay ppl and am friends with them but not sure is Ireland ready for gay marriage"
Gay people will still walk down the road together unmarried. They will still have children unmarried.
It's your opinion and your vote. I just think that when two people love each other and want to commit to each other they should be given the opportunity to save up for future alimony the same as heterosexual people.  |
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"I just think and thus is my opinion I wud not like see 2 guys walking down street kissing also children need mother and father I no they don't always get them but I no I'll get bashed but that my opinion I no gay ppl and am friends with them but not sure is Ireland ready for gay marriage"
Just out of interest how would you feel if two girls were kissing while in your company ? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I've just been reading tweets and the amount of people that have travelled huge distances to vote is overwhelming.
I feel really emotional and proud.
I've voted. YES to equality!
Xx
Love the clover!!
Isn't it a shamrock. "
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My opinion on it is that some people go through life and never find that special someone they want to be with forever, so if you lucky enough to find that person and they happen to be the same sex you should be legally allowed to stand up in front of your family and friends and get married just like any straight couple.
As for the 'kids need a mum and a dad' argument. That's bollocks.What kids need are Parents that love, protect, feed, clothe and look after them and always will. No matter what sex or sexual orientation they are. |
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"My opinion on it is that some people go through life and never find that special someone they want to be with forever, so if you lucky enough to find that person and they happen to be the same sex you should be legally allowed to stand up in front of your family and friends and get married just like any straight couple.
As for the 'kids need a mum and a dad' argument. That's bollocks.What kids need are Parents that love, protect, feed, clothe and look after them and always will. No matter what sex or sexual orientation they are. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"www.metro.co.uk/2015/05/22/irish-people-from-around-the-world-are-going-hometovote-today-and-its-incredible-5209884/
Ireland is having a referendum on same-sex marriage today.
If it passes, it will become the first country to introduce the legislation by popular vote.
Because of Irish voting laws, expats aren’t allowed to vote today unless they’re actually in the country.
Refusing to let go of their say because of a technicality, lots and lots of people have been going back to Ireland over the past 24 hours so they can vote today.
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Pity they couldnt be arsed to make the effort and vote when it actually came to issues that matter |
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"www.metro.co.uk/2015/05/22/irish-people-from-around-the-world-are-going-hometovote-today-and-its-incredible-5209884/
Ireland is having a referendum on same-sex marriage today.
If it passes, it will become the first country to introduce the legislation by popular vote.
Because of Irish voting laws, expats aren’t allowed to vote today unless they’re actually in the country.
Refusing to let go of their say because of a technicality, lots and lots of people have been going back to Ireland over the past 24 hours so they can vote today.
Pity they couldnt be arsed to make the effort and vote when it actually came to issues that matter"
Why doesn't this matter? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I just think and thus is my opinion I wud not like see 2 guys walking down street kissing also children need mother and father I no they don't always get them but I no I'll get bashed but that my opinion I no gay ppl and am friends with them but not sure is Ireland ready for gay marriage
Gay people will still walk down the road together unmarried. They will still have children unmarried.
It's your opinion and your vote. I just think that when two people love each other and want to commit to each other they should be given the opportunity to save up for future alimony the same as heterosexual people. "
You're aware we're not in America and so don't have alimony right? |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"I just think and thus is my opinion I wud not like see 2 guys walking down street kissing also children need mother and father I no they don't always get them but I no I'll get bashed but that my opinion I no gay ppl and am friends with them but not sure is Ireland ready for gay marriage
Gay people will still walk down the road together unmarried. They will still have children unmarried.
It's your opinion and your vote. I just think that when two people love each other and want to commit to each other they should be given the opportunity to save up for future alimony the same as heterosexual people.
You're aware we're not in America and so don't have alimony right?"
You're aware of humour aren't you?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"www.metro.co.uk/2015/05/22/irish-people-from-around-the-world-are-going-hometovote-today-and-its-incredible-5209884/
Ireland is having a referendum on same-sex marriage today.
If it passes, it will become the first country to introduce the legislation by popular vote.
Because of Irish voting laws, expats aren’t allowed to vote today unless they’re actually in the country.
Refusing to let go of their say because of a technicality, lots and lots of people have been going back to Ireland over the past 24 hours so they can vote today.
Pity they couldnt be arsed to make the effort and vote when it actually came to issues that matter
Why doesn't this matter? "
Relative to ongoing issues in this country and appallingly low turn outs on previous elections and referendums, this is as close to meaningless for this country as it gets |
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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago
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"Don't like it either but guys turn my stomach "
Its S here (male) i dont mind if i see two guys kissing either in the street or in a party etc. Im straight and its not going to effect my life in anyway i really hope they vote yes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Relative to ongoing issues in this country and appallingly low turn outs on previous elections and referendums, this is as close to meaningless for this country as it gets"
According to the apparent turnout - the Irish people don't see it as meaningless at all....
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I just think and thus is my opinion I wud not like see 2 guys walking down street kissing also children need mother and father I no they don't always get them but I no I'll get bashed but that my opinion I no gay ppl and am friends with them but not sure is Ireland ready for gay marriage
Gay people will still walk down the road together unmarried. They will still have children unmarried.
It's your opinion and your vote. I just think that when two people love each other and want to commit to each other they should be given the opportunity to save up for future alimony the same as heterosexual people.
You're aware we're not in America and so don't have alimony right?
You're aware of humour aren't you?
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Yeah but broken jokes aren't funny I find.
It always comes across as they're just copying what they heard some American comedian saying. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Relative to ongoing issues in this country and appallingly low turn outs on previous elections and referendums, this is as close to meaningless for this country as it gets
According to the apparent turnout - the Irish people don't see it as meaningless at all....
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Unfortunately, turnout doesnt reflect importance...just whatevers in fashion and facebook hashtagging |
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"My opinion on it is that some people go through life and never find that special someone they want to be with forever, so if you lucky enough to find that person and they happen to be the same sex you should be legally allowed to stand up in front of your family and friends and get married just like any straight couple.
As for the 'kids need a mum and a dad' argument. That's bollocks.What kids need are Parents that love, protect, feed, clothe and look after them and always will. No matter what sex or sexual orientation they are. "
Whereas I totally agree that it's far more important that kids have parents who will love, feed, clothe and protect them always and this should be the primary concern I'm not sure we should dismiss too quickly the advantages of having both a male and female influence be at the centre of bringing up children. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"I just think and thus is my opinion I wud not like see 2 guys walking down street kissing also children need mother and father I no they don't always get them but I no I'll get bashed but that my opinion I no gay ppl and am friends with them but not sure is Ireland ready for gay marriage
Gay people will still walk down the road together unmarried. They will still have children unmarried.
It's your opinion and your vote. I just think that when two people love each other and want to commit to each other they should be given the opportunity to save up for future alimony the same as heterosexual people.
You're aware we're not in America and so don't have alimony right?
You're aware of humour aren't you?
Yeah but broken jokes aren't funny I find.
It always comes across as they're just copying what they heard some American comedian saying."
It's funny what comes across in a post isn't it?  |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Could someone tell me what actually is the difference between same sex marriage and a civil partnership."
The difference now is that civil partnership is only available to same sex couples. |
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"Could someone tell me what actually is the difference between same sex marriage and a civil partnership.
The difference now is that civil partnership is only available to same sex couples. "
Then, if civil partnership is, for all intents and purposes, exactly the same thing as same sex marriage why do we need same sex marriage? |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Could someone tell me what actually is the difference between same sex marriage and a civil partnership."
Here's the document from 2013
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/comparison-of-civil-partnership-and-marriage-for-same-sex-couples |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Could someone tell me what actually is the difference between same sex marriage and a civil partnership.
The difference now is that civil partnership is only available to same sex couples.
Then, if civil partnership is, for all intents and purposes, exactly the same thing as same sex marriage why do we need same sex marriage?"
I know heterosexual couples who would prefer a civil partnership because the connotations of marriage are about it being sanctified by religion.
For the gay friends I have they wanted the same rights as everyone else, not a "special vehicle" created to enhance their difference.
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"Could someone tell me what actually is the difference between same sex marriage and a civil partnership.
The difference now is that civil partnership is only available to same sex couples.
Then, if civil partnership is, for all intents and purposes, exactly the same thing as same sex marriage why do we need same sex marriage?"
I dont really know...its just more of a want than a need really, as far as i know anyway |
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Don't know why the Irish are having a referendum on this,i would have thought that in a democracy it's the job of the elected government sitting in parliament to decide,no other country has decided this way ,think it says a lot about the lack of bottle in the irish government. |
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"Could someone tell me what actually is the difference between same sex marriage and a civil partnership.
The difference now is that civil partnership is only available to same sex couples.
Then, if civil partnership is, for all intents and purposes, exactly the same thing as same sex marriage why do we need same sex marriage?
I know heterosexual couples who would prefer a civil partnership because the connotations of marriage are about it being sanctified by religion.
For the gay friends I have they wanted the same rights as everyone else, not a "special vehicle" created to enhance their difference.
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Having read your link I have to say I'm not sure it's been worth all the angst caused on both sides just to allow same sex unions to be allowed in a church and be recorded on paper rather than magnetic media (especially as most churches still won't allow same sex marriages any how).
I guess not really being affected by the issue maybe I just don't get it. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Could someone tell me what actually is the difference between same sex marriage and a civil partnership.
The difference now is that civil partnership is only available to same sex couples.
Then, if civil partnership is, for all intents and purposes, exactly the same thing as same sex marriage why do we need same sex marriage?
I know heterosexual couples who would prefer a civil partnership because the connotations of marriage are about it being sanctified by religion.
For the gay friends I have they wanted the same rights as everyone else, not a "special vehicle" created to enhance their difference.
Having read your link I have to say I'm not sure it's been worth all the angst caused on both sides just to allow same sex unions to be allowed in a church and be recorded on paper rather than magnetic media (especially as most churches still won't allow same sex marriages any how).
I guess not really being affected by the issue maybe I just don't get it."
I find that's the case for a lot of people with most equality issues.
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"Could someone tell me what actually is the difference between same sex marriage and a civil partnership.
The difference now is that civil partnership is only available to same sex couples.
Then, if civil partnership is, for all intents and purposes, exactly the same thing as same sex marriage why do we need same sex marriage?
I know heterosexual couples who would prefer a civil partnership because the connotations of marriage are about it being sanctified by religion.
For the gay friends I have they wanted the same rights as everyone else, not a "special vehicle" created to enhance their difference.
Having read your link I have to say I'm not sure it's been worth all the angst caused on both sides just to allow same sex unions to be allowed in a church and be recorded on paper rather than magnetic media (especially as most churches still won't allow same sex marriages any how).
I guess not really being affected by the issue maybe I just don't get it.
I find that's the case for a lot of people with most equality issues.
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I think equality under the law is very important. I felt that was achieved with civil partnerships. Equality in peoples minds can't be legislated for and I feel same sex marriage is an attempt to do that.
I'm not against it but neither am I really for it. I just don't see what real extra benefits it brings for anyone. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Could someone tell me what actually is the difference between same sex marriage and a civil partnership.
The difference now is that civil partnership is only available to same sex couples.
Then, if civil partnership is, for all intents and purposes, exactly the same thing as same sex marriage why do we need same sex marriage?
I know heterosexual couples who would prefer a civil partnership because the connotations of marriage are about it being sanctified by religion.
For the gay friends I have they wanted the same rights as everyone else, not a "special vehicle" created to enhance their difference.
Having read your link I have to say I'm not sure it's been worth all the angst caused on both sides just to allow same sex unions to be allowed in a church and be recorded on paper rather than magnetic media (especially as most churches still won't allow same sex marriages any how).
I guess not really being affected by the issue maybe I just don't get it.
I find that's the case for a lot of people with most equality issues.
I think equality under the law is very important. I felt that was achieved with civil partnerships. Equality in peoples minds can't be legislated for and I feel same sex marriage is an attempt to do that.
I'm not against it but neither am I really for it. I just don't see what real extra benefits it brings for anyone."
And yet some of those with civil partnerships are getting married now that they can.
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"Could someone tell me what actually is the difference between same sex marriage and a civil partnership.
The difference now is that civil partnership is only available to same sex couples.
Then, if civil partnership is, for all intents and purposes, exactly the same thing as same sex marriage why do we need same sex marriage?
I know heterosexual couples who would prefer a civil partnership because the connotations of marriage are about it being sanctified by religion.
For the gay friends I have they wanted the same rights as everyone else, not a "special vehicle" created to enhance their difference.
Having read your link I have to say I'm not sure it's been worth all the angst caused on both sides just to allow same sex unions to be allowed in a church and be recorded on paper rather than magnetic media (especially as most churches still won't allow same sex marriages any how).
I guess not really being affected by the issue maybe I just don't get it.
I find that's the case for a lot of people with most equality issues.
I think equality under the law is very important. I felt that was achieved with civil partnerships. Equality in peoples minds can't be legislated for and I feel same sex marriage is an attempt to do that.
I'm not against it but neither am I really for it. I just don't see what real extra benefits it brings for anyone."
Pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter too |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Could someone tell me what actually is the difference between same sex marriage and a civil partnership.
The difference now is that civil partnership is only available to same sex couples.
Then, if civil partnership is, for all intents and purposes, exactly the same thing as same sex marriage why do we need same sex marriage?
I know heterosexual couples who would prefer a civil partnership because the connotations of marriage are about it being sanctified by religion.
For the gay friends I have they wanted the same rights as everyone else, not a "special vehicle" created to enhance their difference.
Having read your link I have to say I'm not sure it's been worth all the angst caused on both sides just to allow same sex unions to be allowed in a church and be recorded on paper rather than magnetic media (especially as most churches still won't allow same sex marriages any how).
I guess not really being affected by the issue maybe I just don't get it.
I find that's the case for a lot of people with most equality issues.
I think equality under the law is very important. I felt that was achieved with civil partnerships. Equality in peoples minds can't be legislated for and I feel same sex marriage is an attempt to do that.
I'm not against it but neither am I really for it. I just don't see what real extra benefits it brings for anyone."
It's not really equality when they can't say their married etc.
It's always classing them as different rather than the same which is what it is.
I never really understand the No side of his is basically just you want to interfere with others lives.
As for all the sanctity of marriage crap divorce for straight people is over 60% now so it's hardly respected by straight people |
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"Could someone tell me what actually is the difference between same sex marriage and a civil partnership.
The difference now is that civil partnership is only available to same sex couples.
Then, if civil partnership is, for all intents and purposes, exactly the same thing as same sex marriage why do we need same sex marriage?
I know heterosexual couples who would prefer a civil partnership because the connotations of marriage are about it being sanctified by religion.
For the gay friends I have they wanted the same rights as everyone else, not a "special vehicle" created to enhance their difference.
Having read your link I have to say I'm not sure it's been worth all the angst caused on both sides just to allow same sex unions to be allowed in a church and be recorded on paper rather than magnetic media (especially as most churches still won't allow same sex marriages any how).
I guess not really being affected by the issue maybe I just don't get it.
I find that's the case for a lot of people with most equality issues.
I think equality under the law is very important. I felt that was achieved with civil partnerships. Equality in peoples minds can't be legislated for and I feel same sex marriage is an attempt to do that.
I'm not against it but neither am I really for it. I just don't see what real extra benefits it brings for anyone.
It's not really equality when they can't say their married etc.
It's always classing them as different rather than the same which is what it is.
I never really understand the No side of his is basically just you want to interfere with others lives.
As for all the sanctity of marriage crap divorce for straight people is over 60% now so it's hardly respected by straight people"
I think you're being a little disingenuous to those who oppose. I personally am not opposed but by changing the meaning of the word marriage from being a union between a man and woman to being a union between two people you fundamental change what marriage is. This does have an effect on all who either are, have been or plan to be married. |
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I think you're being a little disingenuous to those who oppose. I personally am not opposed but by changing the meaning of the word marriage from being a union between a man and woman to being a union between two people you fundamental change what marriage is. This does have an effect on all who either are, have been or plan to be married."
So what is 'marriage'? |
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I think you're being a little disingenuous to those who oppose. I personally am not opposed but by changing the meaning of the word marriage from being a union between a man and woman to being a union between two people you fundamental change what marriage is. This does have an effect on all who either are, have been or plan to be married.
So what is 'marriage'?"
Its what he just described...well not anymore in ireland anyway, apart from a church blessed marriage anyway |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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I'm not against it but neither am I really for it. I just don't see what real extra benefits it brings for anyone.
It's not really equality when they can't say their married etc.
It's always classing them as different rather than the same which is what it is.
I never really understand the No side of his is basically just you want to interfere with others lives.
As for all the sanctity of marriage crap divorce for straight people is over 60% now so it's hardly respected by straight people
I think you're being a little disingenuous to those who oppose. I personally am not opposed but by changing the meaning of work marriage from being a union between a man and woman to being a union between two people you fundamental change what marriage is. This does have an effect on all who either are, have been or plan to be married."
Ah, so marriage and civil partnerships are fundamentally different if the fundamental of marriage is that is between a man and a woman. I go with the "union of two people" definition but then my fundamental understanding of this is different.
The church service mentions husband and wife, of course it does, and we ascribe the male gender to husband and the female gender to wife. It also contains these words:
"Marriage is a way of life made holy by God, and blessed by the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ with those celebrating a wedding at Cana in Galilee. Marriage is a sign of unity and loyalty which all should uphold and honour. It enriches society and strengthens community. No one should enter into it lightly or selfishly
but reverently and responsibly in the sight of almighty God."
They seem pretty gender neutral to me.
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I think you're being a little disingenuous to those who oppose. I personally am not opposed but by changing the meaning of the word marriage from being a union between a man and woman to being a union between two people you fundamental change what marriage is. This does have an effect on all who either are, have been or plan to be married.
So what is 'marriage'?"
For me marriage has always meant a union between a man and woman. I'm now being told that that is not what it means and that it actually means any union between two people. I find that a bit Orwellian 1984ish New Speak were words no longer mean what they mean but what the political elite say they mean.
However I don't feel strongly enough to oppose same sex marriage and the liberal side of me tells me that I should actually support it. So, having whole heartedly supported the introduction of civil partnerships I'm neither strongly for or against same sex marriage. |
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"My opinion on it is that some people go through life and never find that special someone they want to be with forever, so if you lucky enough to find that person and they happen to be the same sex you should be legally allowed to stand up in front of your family and friends and get married just like any straight couple.
As for the 'kids need a mum and a dad' argument. That's bollocks.What kids need are Parents that love, protect, feed, clothe and look after them and always will. No matter what sex or sexual orientation they are.
Whereas I totally agree that it's far more important that kids have parents who will love, feed, clothe and protect them always and this should be the primary concern I'm not sure we should dismiss too quickly the advantages of having both a male and female influence be at the centre of bringing up children."
A lot of children nowadays are bought up by single parents of one sex or another with the other nowhere to be seen. i do it myself 99% of the time. But I just have to try and bring my son up the best I can. Hes no worse off than kids his age with a mum & dad. He has other male influences in his life. I know kids with a mum and a dad who live together and hate each other and their childhood must be bloody miserable. So I stand by what I said.. |
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"Religious people preach love. And yet they hate people that don't agree with them. I never understand that.  "
Please don't generalise like that  There's no hatred towards the same sex couples at my church (and yes it's Catholic). There may be people who don't wish same sex marriage to become law - I'm not one of them btw - but it's not necessarily born of hatred. |
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"My opinion on it is that some people go through life and never find that special someone they want to be with forever, so if you lucky enough to find that person and they happen to be the same sex you should be legally allowed to stand up in front of your family and friends and get married just like any straight couple.
As for the 'kids need a mum and a dad' argument. That's bollocks.What kids need are Parents that love, protect, feed, clothe and look after them and always will. No matter what sex or sexual orientation they are.
Whereas I totally agree that it's far more important that kids have parents who will love, feed, clothe and protect them always and this should be the primary concern I'm not sure we should dismiss too quickly the advantages of having both a male and female influence be at the centre of bringing up children.
A lot of children nowadays are bought up by single parents of one sex or another with the other nowhere to be seen. i do it myself 99% of the time. But I just have to try and bring my son up the best I can. Hes no worse off than kids his age with a mum & dad. He has other male influences in his life. I know kids with a mum and a dad who live together and hate each other and their childhood must be bloody miserable. So I stand by what I said.. "
Of course being brought up in a family with both a mother and father is no guarantee that the child is going to be better brought up than a family with two dads, two mums, one dad, one mum or any other combination. However I do think that, all other things being equal, both a mother and a father being on the seen is the better alternative.
And, just for the record, I bring my son up alone to. |
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"Religious people preach love. And yet they hate people that don't agree with them. I never understand that.
Please don't generalise like that There's no hatred towards the same sex couples at my church (and yes it's Catholic). There may be people who don't wish same sex marriage to become law - I'm not one of them btw - but it's not necessarily born of hatred. "
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"Religious people preach love. And yet they hate people that don't agree with them. I never understand that. "
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"Religious people preach love. And yet they hate people that don't agree with them. I never understand that.
Please don't generalise like that There's no hatred towards the same sex couples at my church (and yes it's Catholic). There may be people who don't wish same sex marriage to become law - I'm not one of them btw - but it's not necessarily born of hatred. "
Good point, apologies. I had just got off fb reading ranty religious posts when I said that. 
Some religious people... not all... Sorry.
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I think you're being a little disingenuous to those who oppose. I personally am not opposed but by changing the meaning of the word marriage from being a union between a man and woman to being a union between two people you fundamental change what marriage is. This does have an effect on all who either are, have been or plan to be married.
So what is 'marriage'?
For me marriage has always meant a union between a man and woman. I'm now being told that that is not what it means and that it actually means any union between two people. I find that a bit Orwellian 1984ish New Speak were words no longer mean what they mean but what the political elite say they mean.
However I don't feel strongly enough to oppose same sex marriage and the liberal side of me tells me that I should actually support it. So, having whole heartedly supported the introduction of civil partnerships I'm neither strongly for or against same sex marriage."
For me marriage has always been the way to ultimately declare your love for each other undying and unending.
Hence till death do us part.
Divorce altered the definition of marriage but I never hear anyone complaining about that. |
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"Religious people preach love. And yet they hate people that don't agree with them. I never understand that.
Please don't generalise like that There's no hatred towards the same sex couples at my church (and yes it's Catholic). There may be people who don't wish same sex marriage to become law - I'm not one of them btw - but it's not necessarily born of hatred. "
And yet we have several million dead over the last few decade from religious people killing each other.
Most of the same religion but different sects. |
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"I wonder if there would have been such a strong call to come home if the Irish in other countries had been of a less liberal opinion "
How do we know if those who came back where in favour or against though lol |
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"Religious people preach love. And yet they hate people that don't agree with them. I never understand that.
Please don't generalise like that There's no hatred towards the same sex couples at my church (and yes it's Catholic). There may be people who don't wish same sex marriage to become law - I'm not one of them btw - but it's not necessarily born of hatred. And yet we have several million dead over the last few decade from religious people killing each other.
Most of the same religion but different sects. "
And how many million dead from non-religious people killing each other? |
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"Religious people preach love. And yet they hate people that don't agree with them. I never understand that.
Please don't generalise like that There's no hatred towards the same sex couples at my church (and yes it's Catholic). There may be people who don't wish same sex marriage to become law - I'm not one of them btw - but it's not necessarily born of hatred.
Good point, apologies. I had just got off fb reading ranty religious posts when I said that.
Some religious people... not all... Sorry.
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I have seen some ridiculous rantt bullshit too. It hasn't all been from religious people though. |
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"I wonder if there would have been such a strong call to come home if the Irish in other countries had been of a less liberal opinion
How do we know if those who came back where in favour or against though lol"
Good point.
However the ones in the paper were wearing rainbow flags so I guess they were voting yes. |
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"Religious people preach love. And yet they hate people that don't agree with them. I never understand that.
Please don't generalise like that There's no hatred towards the same sex couples at my church (and yes it's Catholic). There may be people who don't wish same sex marriage to become law - I'm not one of them btw - but it's not necessarily born of hatred. And yet we have several million dead over the last few decade from religious people killing each other.
Most of the same religion but different sects.
And how many million dead from non-religious people killing each other? "
Not as many as far as I'm aware. Currently most of the killing is religiously based Islam is really doing a number on Africa atm as well as infighting in the middle east. Secondly ethnicity that's still ranking pretty high but not as high as it was in the 80/90s
We haven't had a real land grab war for a while now. |
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"Religious people preach love. And yet they hate people that don't agree with them. I never understand that.
Please don't generalise like that There's no hatred towards the same sex couples at my church (and yes it's Catholic). There may be people who don't wish same sex marriage to become law - I'm not one of them btw - but it's not necessarily born of hatred.
Good point, apologies. I had just got off fb reading ranty religious posts when I said that.
Some religious people... not all... Sorry.
I have seen some ridiculous rantt bullshit too. It hasn't all been from religious people though. "
They believe what they believe. I give them for standing for what they believe even if I disagree. I just find it odd when one minute they preach love and the next they preach hate. (In this instance I am thinking of a few very specific people I know. ) |
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"Religious people preach love. And yet they hate people that don't agree with them. I never understand that.
Please don't generalise like that There's no hatred towards the same sex couples at my church (and yes it's Catholic). There may be people who don't wish same sex marriage to become law - I'm not one of them btw - but it's not necessarily born of hatred. And yet we have several million dead over the last few decade from religious people killing each other.
Most of the same religion but different sects.
And how many million dead from non-religious people killing each other?
Not as many as far as I'm aware. Currently most of the killing is religiously based Islam is really doing a number on Africa atm as well as infighting in the middle east. Secondly ethnicity that's still ranking pretty high but not as high as it was in the 80/90s
We haven't had a real land grab war for a while now."
Did the Holocaust pass you by or are you classing that as a religious war too? The Russian gulags? Vietnam?
Just because something is badged as religious doesn't always make it so.
Oil/control of natural resources, political ideologies and power tend to be the prime motivators of conflict. |
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"Religious people preach love. And yet they hate people that don't agree with them. I never understand that.
Please don't generalise like that There's no hatred towards the same sex couples at my church (and yes it's Catholic). There may be people who don't wish same sex marriage to become law - I'm not one of them btw - but it's not necessarily born of hatred.
Good point, apologies. I had just got off fb reading ranty religious posts when I said that.
Some religious people... not all... Sorry.
I have seen some ridiculous rantt bullshit too. It hasn't all been from religious people though.
They believe what they believe. I give them for standing for what they believe even if I disagree. I just find it odd when one minute they preach love and the next they preach hate. (In this instance I am thinking of a few very specific people I know. )"
Can't disagree with you there. |
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"Religious people preach love. And yet they hate people that don't agree with them. I never understand that.
Please don't generalise like that There's no hatred towards the same sex couples at my church (and yes it's Catholic). There may be people who don't wish same sex marriage to become law - I'm not one of them btw - but it's not necessarily born of hatred. And yet we have several million dead over the last few decade from religious people killing each other.
Most of the same religion but different sects.
And how many million dead from non-religious people killing each other?
Not as many as far as I'm aware. Currently most of the killing is religiously based Islam is really doing a number on Africa atm as well as infighting in the middle east. Secondly ethnicity that's still ranking pretty high but not as high as it was in the 80/90s
We haven't had a real land grab war for a while now.
Did the Holocaust pass you by or are you classing that as a religious war too? The Russian gulags? Vietnam?
Just because something is badged as religious doesn't always make it so.
Oil/control of natural resources, political ideologies and power tend to be the prime motivators of conflict. "
Ok, I missed the "last few decades" part. Still don't agree that the conflicts you've referenced are purely about religion though. Just because it's "Islam" doesn't mean the killing has a religious motivation over and above tribalism and desire for power and control of resources. |
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I think you're being a little disingenuous to those who oppose. I personally am not opposed but by changing the meaning of the word marriage from being a union between a man and woman to being a union between two people you fundamental change what marriage is. This does have an effect on all who either are, have been or plan to be married.
So what is 'marriage'?
For me marriage has always meant a union between a man and woman. I'm now being told that that is not what it means and that it actually means any union between two people. I find that a bit Orwellian 1984ish New Speak were words no longer mean what they mean but what the political elite say they mean.
However I don't feel strongly enough to oppose same sex marriage and the liberal side of me tells me that I should actually support it. So, having whole heartedly supported the introduction of civil partnerships I'm neither strongly for or against same sex marriage.
For me marriage has always been the way to ultimately declare your love for each other undying and unending.
Hence till death do us part.
Divorce altered the definition of marriage but I never hear anyone complaining about that."
Really, I think you'll find there are many, especially in Ireland, who would argue that marriage is for life. People have always opposed changes to the institution of marriage because those changes always affect those already married to a greater or lesser extent.
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