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"A massive day for the country today, and whatever our individual political loyalties, I'm sure that these cuts will sadly directly effect the livelyhood of some on here. I hope those effected have the strength and opportunity to get through what may be some challenging times. " thats a really thoughtful post, thankyou tough times have been with public sector ( and all the agencies that work with/for/funded by ) for a long time, despite the image the media often likes to portray and this is one more step along that path. At least we might have a little more clarity about what we'll be facing and can them plan for survival ( or not ). Sprite ( working for a charity ) | |||
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"And so begins the long and arduous task of undoing the mess the last govt left us in. This is where it starts, and it starts today! I'm looking forward to it. " Browns legacy, am I alone in thinking he and his cronies should be held accountable in a court of law? If you ran a multi-billion pound business (UK PLC lol) into the ground like he has, you would expect some sort of kick in the ass wouldnt you?  | |||
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"And so begins the long and arduous task of undoing the mess the last govt left us in. This is where it starts, and it starts today! I'm looking forward to it. Browns legacy, am I alone in thinking he and his cronies should be held accountable in a court of law? If you ran a multi-billion pound business (UK PLC lol) into the ground like he has, you would expect some sort of kick in the ass wouldnt you? "I think that is unfair when you look at the facts, it may appear that way if you only listen to the propoganda. My view is not based on ANY political persuation, but sometimes it's not good to just believe the hype. | |||
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""We will throw more resources into the area that the previous government so woefully mismanaged, that being illegal immigration into these isles" Damien Green, Immigration Minister July 2010 20% cut in UK Borders Agency budget George Osbourne, Chancellor October 2010" You don't need an increase in budgetary requirements to say, "Fuck off, we're closed." Osbourne said at the beginning of his speech that the cuts will come from layers of bureaucracy stripped out and that it will happen over the next four years, not overnight. You should really quote in context Jane instead of picking out sound bites to suit your argument. | |||
""We will throw more resources into the area that the previous government so woefully mismanaged, that being illegal immigration into these isles" Damien Green, Immigration Minister July 2010 20% cut in UK Borders Agency budget George Osbourne, Chancellor October 2010" "throw"????? what a choice of words whatever happened to his vocabulary? | |||
""We will throw more resources into the area that the previous government so woefully mismanaged, that being illegal immigration into these isles" Damien Green, Immigration Minister July 2010 20% cut in UK Borders Agency budget George Osbourne, Chancellor October 2010 "throw"????? what a choice of words whatever happened to his vocabulary?" eh? What should he have used instead of 'throw'? Pour? His use of 'throw' indicated his intent to get really to grips with the problem of immigration in this country. | |||
" Osbourne said at the beginning of his speech that the cuts will come from layers of bureaucracy stripped out and that it will happen over the next four years, not overnight. You should really quote in context Jane instead of picking out sound bites to suit your argument." A little unfair, I think Jane makes her point well here, she's highlighting a contradiction, and the quote seems very much in context in my opinion. | |||
" Osbourne said at the beginning of his speech that the cuts will come from layers of bureaucracy stripped out and that it will happen over the next four years, not overnight. You should really quote in context Jane instead of picking out sound bites to suit your argument. A little unfair, I think Jane makes her point well here, she's highlighting a contradiction, and the quote seems very much in context in my opinion." A 20% cut in Border Agency budget does not neccessarily mean that Damian Brown's speech regarding throwing resources into combatting our immigration problem is contradictory. He'll simply have to use the resources he now has more effectively. Cutting out waste is one way of ensuring that. By reducing departmental budgets Mr. Osbourne has, in fact, made sure that government departments can no longer thrown money around willy-nilly as they have in the past. Consider the BBC cuts as well as the requirement for the BBC to take over funding for the World Service and S4C Wales, now couple that with a 6-year freeze on the BBC TV Licence and it's not difficult to see that the BBC cannot pass on the cuts to the licence payer and must now get it's house in order if it wishes to remain a world leader in the provision of News and Programming. Smart move George. Very smart. | |||
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" A 20% cut in Border Agency budget does not neccessarily mean that Damian Brown's speech regarding throwing resources into combatting our immigration problem is contradictory. He'll simply have to use the resources he now has more effectively. Cutting out waste is one way of ensuring that. By reducing departmental budgets Mr. Osbourne has, in fact, made sure that government departments can no longer thrown money around willy-nilly as they have in the past. Consider the BBC cuts as well as the requirement for the BBC to take over funding for the World Service and S4C Wales, now couple that with a 6-year freeze on the BBC TV Licence and it's not difficult to see that the BBC cannot pass on the cuts to the licence payer and must now get it's house in order if it wishes to remain a world leader in the provision of News and Programming. Smart move George. Very smart." I think it's a clear contradiction, in my opinion Damien was saying what sounded ok politically, Osbourne was dishing out reality. 'Throw more resources' isn't the language of efficiency. I think your spot on with the BBC though. | |||
"Well they can always put the immigrants on empty aircraft carriers for a 5 star cruise home, in fact they’ll all be fighting to get out shortly, the increased border patrols will be to keep us mugs in so they can take what little we have left. " There will be plenty of space on the filght decks of the new carriers as we have cancelled the order for the planes.....  | |||
"We will see how smart 'George' (love the use of their christian names Wishy...makes 'em sound like your pals) is when the implications of these cuts and the affect they have on consumer spending come to light at the end of the current financial year. Argos yesterday released figures that show that a 7% drop in sales over the last quarter....Tescos results released last week showed that if you strip out the growth overseas, insurance and banking sales, and petrol.....actual grocery and homeware sales in their UK stores dropped 2.9% in the last six months. Debenhams sales down....Boots sales down....Next sales down...Morrisons sales down...Mortgage lending at a Ten year low.... It's all about growth Wishy, mass increases in unemployment means higher Benefits costs and less tax receipts... No growth means double dip recession, let's see if you are crowing come next April...." I don't know about you but I get more power for my pound by searching around online these days. Whereas I'd customarily hop in the car to B&Q for anything we needed for the household I now shop around online, all my Xmas pressies have been purchased this way for the last three years now (with the exception of Siren's as I feel I haven't done her justice if I haven't trudged around town looking for something special for her). I no longer shop in Argos or any of the usual places I used to go. I never buy CDs or DVDs preferring to download instead. That's where the dip in sales on the High St has come from as I'm not the only one trying to get the maximum for my money. On the whole I think the Tories have got this review spot on, not too little that it has no effect and not too harsh that we're all crossing ourselves and waiting for the Grim Reaper to call. Well done George, mate. Now see it through. | |||
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"You can dress it up as much as you like, retail sales are well down be they high street or internet, if you are confident that there will be an increase in growth over the remainder of the financial year then we will have to agree to disagree. April will be along before you know it, and then we will all see if the sweeping cuts have been of benefit to the economy or not." I'm not saying sales are not down, but that there are more factors to it than the recession. People are being cautious, and rightly so because they do not know what's around the corner. Nothing is certain anymore, apart from death & taxes, and all this talk of a double-dip recession is scare-mongering put out by Brown in the election campaign and picked up now by the new Labour kings of spin. They have no credible arguments to offer so they resort to these kinds of negative comments. We cannot trust a party who got things so wrong whilst in power. If they know how to put it right now, why didn't they do just that last year when it really mattered. | |||
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" Consider the BBC cuts as well as the requirement for the BBC to take over funding for the World Service and S4C Wales, now couple that with a 6-year freeze on the BBC TV Licence and it's not difficult to see that the BBC cannot pass on the cuts to the licence payer and must now get it's house in order if it wishes to remain a world leader in the provision of News and Programming. Smart move George. Very smart." A very clever way of buggering up the BBC so that Sky TV can get a bigger hold onto it`s share of the viewing figures! Don`t forget the large donation that Rupert Murdoc gave to the CONservatives. Why else should a major shareholder of News Corperation (who own Sky TV) give the CONservatives such a large donatiion? | |||
" Consider the BBC cuts as well as the requirement for the BBC to take over funding for the World Service and S4C Wales, now couple that with a 6-year freeze on the BBC TV Licence and it's not difficult to see that the BBC cannot pass on the cuts to the licence payer and must now get it's house in order if it wishes to remain a world leader in the provision of News and Programming. Smart move George. Very smart. A very clever way of buggering up the BBC so that Sky TV can get a bigger hold onto it`s share of the viewing figures! Don`t forget the large donation that Rupert Murdoc gave to the CONservatives. Why else should a major shareholder of News Corperation (who own Sky TV) give the CONservatives such a large donatiion?" Or it could be a move by the Chancellor to combat the many hundreds of BBC execs earning huge salaries and bonuses at the expense of the licence payer. | |||
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"£48 million just to re-furbish an annexe of the Houses of Parliament so it can be used by the 12 new Law Lords. I rest my cam M'Lord" That's obscene | |||
"£48 million just to re-furbish an annexe of the Houses of Parliament so it can be used by the 12 new Law Lords. I rest my cam M'Lord That's obscene" Oh come on, get real. As if 12 new lords can possibly get away with a £4m/each spend on offices in today's economic climate. I'd like to see the sources for this ridiculous info. | |||
"I don't think you can just blame one government, its accumulative and goes back a long time building debt up." That is quite true, but my over-riding memory of Gordon Brown is that he was the doyen of "Prudence" which I take to mean abstemious and careful. Well, not very careful when we're having to claw back £83bn worth of debt. | |||
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" Consider the BBC cuts as well as the requirement for the BBC to take over funding for the World Service and S4C Wales, now couple that with a 6-year freeze on the BBC TV Licence and it's not difficult to see that the BBC cannot pass on the cuts to the licence payer and must now get it's house in order if it wishes to remain a world leader in the provision of News and Programming. Smart move George. Very smart. A very clever way of buggering up the BBC so that Sky TV can get a bigger hold onto it`s share of the viewing figures! Don`t forget the large donation that Rupert Murdoc gave to the CONservatives. Why else should a major shareholder of News Corperation (who own Sky TV) give the CONservatives such a large donatiion?" Newscorp do not own BSkyB, they own approx 38% of the stock.....Nor has Rupert Murdoch bankrolled the Conservative Party, and I am no fan of the Tories. What Newscorp did at this years election was they publically backed the Conservatives as the next credible government.....In previous elections Newscorp have shuffled between the top Two parties, Newscorp back Labour in 1997 and for the next two elections. | |||
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"just bought a new car,got money in the bank and fookin loving it...double dip recession??..your talking out of your arse...most things are on the up including the pessimism of the doom mongerers
George, the coalition you've done the right thing at last "Great to hear that things are good for you, it would be interesting to know what industry you're in? The fact is we currently have the lowest interest rates on record, there has been massive quantitative easing as well as other stimulas activity, there's bound to be some winners, but almost every main economist believes the recovery is fragile. Double dip is a possibility. | |||
"Most things are on the up? Like what? Business is booming in Sheffield? What do you do for a living- reposess houses? Tell the protestors on Saturday in Sheffield that Trustfund George has played a blinder. What a crock. "Actually a lot of things are on the up. There's a lot of positive talk about growth in the private sector..... all the more reason why massive cut backs are not the only/best way forward and the previous Labour plan to have some cut backs but ride a lot of it out has some credability. | |||
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"Jane whilst I agree with most of your posts.. BSkyB is in the day to day control of News Corp.. This happened on day 1 of the merger, back in the day. News Corp staff built the business from scratch.. From the iselworth office all the way up to livingston " With all due respect they are my husbands employers, I won't go on too much about it but I will only say that Murdoch made an unsuccesful attempt to wrestle back control of BSkyB last year and is expected to come back next spring with a much improved offer. The annual share options that have just been offered to staff of BSkyB are being snapped up in record amounts as Murdoch is expected to be more succesful next time around. | |||
"double dip recession?...retail sales down?...speaking from a personal view,my pay was frozen for the last 2 years,pension contributions had to be increased and order books at work were treading water...now... this has been my busiest year to date..order books are full,we're taking on new staff,i'm earning more money than ever...been on 3 hols,just bought a new car,got money in the bank and fookin loving it...double dip recession??..your talking out of your arse...most things are on the up including the pessimism of the doom mongerers
George, the coalition you've done the right thing at last "Yes and my other half is really Bill Gates, now what recession are you talking about, there never was one in the first place 
Sound like a old skool Tory man through and through though, hit the poor and make me richer, best to point out they’re trying to rid themselves of them views.
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I dont know how people could to be honest. ? | |||
"Best job to have these days is a bailiff.... And that would be the last fookin job i would want.
I dont know how people could to be honest. ?"I donno i was with some today and they were pretty unhappy on what cuts they are getting. | |||
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"we have been looking at some of this as it relates to the transport industry.... so yes they get a couple of billion for infrusture projects... road and rail building... crossrail, Tyne and wear metro extension HSL 2, ect... but all in all it is going to be a 25% cut in the transport budget if you use the trains you are going to love this.... as of 2011 all the "regulated fares" (your buy on the day tickets and season tickets) will be allowed to go up by inflation plus 3% which is all well and good... if i am getting a pay freeze but my travel is going up by 6 or 7%.... wonderful" Without regulating the train prices you could have seen rises of 10%-20% which would have hit your frozen pay a lot harder. Rail prices have needed regulating for a long time now and this is most welcome. It's unfortunate that it's come at this particular moment in time but the recession won't be here forever and rail price regulation will, hopefully. | |||
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"wishy..... they have always been "regualated" fares.... at the moment, they are only allowed to go up by inflation plus 0.5%" I stand corrected. I never knew that. Thanks Fabio. | |||
"£48 million just to re-furbish an annexe of the Houses of Parliament so it can be used by the 12 new Law Lords. I rest my cam M'Lord That's obscene Oh come on, get real. As if 12 new lords can possibly get away with a £4m/each spend on offices in today's economic climate. I'd like to see the sources for this ridiculous info." Yes get real not racist (foreign aid goes to foreign countries and they are home) That said why do we send so much aid overseas when and then have to watch our own countrymen begging for funds for things that should be financed through taxes RSPCA NSPCC Great Ormond Street Childrens Hospital Cancer research etc But now to "get real" your correct I was wrong, the final bill has now increased to £60 million for the refurbishment. New Supreme Court opens with media barred Work on the new premises began in 2007 and was estimated to have cost nearly £60 million. shall I say that again Work on the new premises began in 2007 and was estimated to have cost nearly £60 million. How can it cost so much in this financial climate - quote The Justices of the Supreme Court posed in front of the building wearing their black robes, lavishly threaded with gold AND The judges emerged from the intricately carved stone portals of their new home resplendent in their modern regalia. mmmmm sounds yummy marble and velvet with lots of gold The whole article is below for you to chew on Journalists had to wait outside as the 11 new Justices of the Supreme Court were sworn in inside the refurbished Middlesex Guildhall in Parliament Square. Lord Phillips, head of the new panel of judges who sat at the House of Lords until the end of July, had hailed the new court as an opportunity to bring to the public the workings of the highest court in the land. But journalists and the public were told there was no room and the proceedings would be broadcast live from the chamber by its own team. Half a dozen policemen and court security guard were outside the neo-Gothic building newly emblazoned with signs declaring it to be The Supreme Court and Judicial Committee of the Privy Council. The judges emerged from the intricately carved stone portals of their new home resplendent in their modern regalia. Gone were the full bottomed wigs, robes and breeches. The Justices of the Supreme Court posed in front of the building wearing their black robes, lavishly threaded with gold. All were bare-headed save for Baroness Hale, who wore a flat black tasselled hat. Lord Phillips said they had discussed whether they should have headgear and all the male members of the Supreme Court declined but Baroness Hale said she wanted a hat. The judges then went in procession over a pedestrian crossing through hastily shut down roadworks to Westminster Abbey. There they were joined by judges from the High Court and Court of Appeal, who arrived in a fleet of limousines, for prayers. Unlike the judges of the Supreme Court, the rest of the judiciary clung on to their wigs for the ceremony. The bevy of judges then attended the traditional Lord Chancellor's breakfast in the Great Hall in the Houses of Parliament. The opening of the Supreme Court marked the end of a 130-year-old association between the highest court in the land and the House of Lords. There had been mounting calls to separate the highest appeal court from the second house of Parliament, thereby removing the Law Lords from the legislature. As members of the House of Lords, the Law Lords were entitled not only to sit judicially, but also to join debates and enactment of Government legislation, although in practice they rarely did. All Justices of the Supreme Court who were Law Lords will remain members of the House of Lords but new judges appointed will not be members. Work on the new premises began in 2007 and was estimated to have cost nearly £60 million. The new court is a landmark in constitutional and legal development, but some lawyers believe it is also a giant step towards creating an elected House of Lords. Established through the Constitutional Reform Act 2005, the Supreme Court will hear civil appeal cases from England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, as well as criminal appeal cases from England, Wales and Northern Ireland. It takes over the devolution jurisdiction of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council (JCPC). The JCPC continues to be the final court of appeal for certain Commonwealth countries and other jurisdictions, such as Crown Dependencies. Lord Phillips, president of the Supreme Court, said: "For the first time, we have a clear separation of powers between the legislature, the judiciary and the executive in the United Kingdom. This is important. It emphasises the independence of the judiciary, clearly separating those who make the law from those who administer it. "As Justices of the Supreme Court we will be more visible to the public than we ever were when sitting as members of the House of Lords. This is desirable as the court will only decide points of law of public importance. "Justice at the highest level should be transparent and the new court will have a crucial role in letting the public see how justice is done." | |||
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"It still amazes me how the goverment can still pay too much for procurring goods. You have the spending power equal to no private company, yet still has thousands of different purchasing organisations in the public sector often duplicating roles, and therefore not getting the discounts a private company would. Can you imagine Tesco not using their scale to demand the discounts they get from their suppliers?. " I watched a terrible programme in the early hours of the morning last week, it was all about how the Military spends its money, defence contracts. The squandering is nothing short of criminal, almost every company we purchase from has an ex MP or ex very Senior Ranking Officer (generals/admirals) as a senior director usually the MP's have had previous dealings with the defence budget/purchasing when they were members of parliament | |||
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""We will throw more resources into the area that the previous government so woefully mismanaged, that being illegal immigration into these isles" Damien Green, Immigration Minister July 2010 20% cut in UK Borders Agency budget George Osbourne, Chancellor October 2010 "throw"????? what a choice of words whatever happened to his vocabulary?" it has a bit of an "ere u r .. catch" quality about it, don't you think? | |||
""We will throw more resources into the area that the previous government so woefully mismanaged, that being illegal immigration into these isles" Damien Green, Immigration Minister July 2010 20% cut in UK Borders Agency budget George Osbourne, Chancellor October 2010 "throw"????? what a choice of words whatever happened to his vocabulary? it has a bit of an "ere u r .. catch" quality about it, don't you think?" I didn't see it that way, I've heard that phrase used lots of times in emphasis of a planned course of action. I guess we just viewed it slightly differently. I was curious as to why you singled out that word, that's all. | |||
""We will throw more resources into the area that the previous government so woefully mismanaged, that being illegal immigration into these isles" Damien Green, Immigration Minister July 2010 20% cut in UK Borders Agency budget George Osbourne, Chancellor October 2010 "throw"????? what a choice of words whatever happened to his vocabulary? it has a bit of an "ere u r .. catch" quality about it, don't you think? I didn't see it that way, I've heard that phrase used lots of times in emphasis of a planned course of action. I guess we just viewed it slightly differently. I was curious as to why you singled out that word, that's all. "well it is certainly not a word I would have used in the context. It has "rubbish" connotations. Aw go on throw some money at it, throw away society etc. Too bucanneer for my likeing, I'm afraid. .... Target, earmark there are so many more appropriate words for this context. | |||
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"Surely any economic crisis is caused via a "knock on effect" We were buggered big time re the tories...then labour try and fix it but cant because the are thrown out so then the fookin tories get back in and they cant fix it and then....and then and then....you get the picture. Now we got two of the so and sos having a go and failing bigtime. there is no ONE government we can blame for the crap were now in......All of them have a place in the shambles " Labour had 13 years in power when they came to power britain was in the best financial positon it had been in for years maybe since the war !!!!! then the bastards screwed us we are broke and it happened on browns watch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |||
