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Ok if you drive less that 50 miles a day as the range rarely exceeds 50-80 miles. I looked at buying either the Ampera or the BMW last year (both hybrids) but hybrid engines aren't very efficient yet, so with the purchase cost and the hybrid fuel cost, it was more economical to buy a good diesel as i exceed the battery range most days. |
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My dad has a Nissan Leaf, can't fault it battery life could be longer and its quicker than most normal cars e.g Ford Fiesta etc.
It's surprising how nippy it actually is it.
They're very expensive though to buy new. |
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I know someone (who is loaded btw) who has a Tesla. They have a range of about 200 miles and there is a free Tesla motorway fast charge point where he stops for an hour to re-fuel.
Cool features - location can be seen from the app (and he can even operate the car remotely - horn etc not drive it).
Not cheap! |
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maybe in another 10 years when they work out how to get more battery life out of an electric car they will be worth having but a car that only has a battery life of up to 80 miles before recharging is in my opinion is completely hopeless  |
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"I know someone (who is loaded btw) who has a Tesla. They have a range of about 200 miles and there is a free Tesla motorway fast charge point where he stops for an hour to re-fuel.
Cool features - location can be seen from the app (and he can even operate the car remotely - horn etc not drive it).
As someone who has never been remotely interested in driving the new Telsa car is actually swaying my decision & at $35,000 I'm very tempted to learn how to drive & save up for one
Not cheap!"
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"I know someone (who is loaded btw) who has a Tesla. They have a range of about 200 miles and there is a free Tesla motorway fast charge point where he stops for an hour to re-fuel.
Cool features - location can be seen from the app (and he can even operate the car remotely - horn etc not drive it).
Not cheap!"
As someone who has never been remotely interested in driving the new Telsa car is actually swaying my decision & at $35,000 I'm very tempted to learn how to drive & save up for one |
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There more common than people think, fiat do an electric van, think it's a dobolo version, I personally never drive more than 80 miles per day so that wouldn't put me off.
When and if my very old van finally gives up the ghost I will probably go that way.
But sticking with my old van is actually more environmentally friendly than swapping to a new electric one  |
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"I know someone (who is loaded btw) who has a Tesla. They have a range of about 200 miles and there is a free Tesla motorway fast charge point where he stops for an hour to re-fuel.
Cool features - location can be seen from the app (and he can even operate the car remotely - horn etc not drive it).
Not cheap!"
if/when i win the lottery i have always said my "present" to myself before i put the rest of it in a bank would be to get a tesla model s....... |
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"Isnt there a catch with the batteries on these? You dont own the batteries due to there cost or something im sure i read somewhere "
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You lease the batteries, they replace them when needed, still works out alot cheaper than petrol or diesel |
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My eldest daughter and her husband have Zoe's They have them on lease. They work great for them and seem to do very well.
I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably! |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad  "
Why?
Noise pollution is on the rise. |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
Why?
Noise pollution is on the rise."
What some people will class as noise pollution others will hear it as a sweet harmony 
Im talking about well built, nice sounding engines.....not a corsa C with a cherry bomb stuck on the back of it |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
Why?
Noise pollution is on the rise.
What some people will class as noise pollution others will hear it as a sweet harmony
Im talking about well built, nice sounding engines.....not a corsa C with a cherry bomb stuck on the back of it "
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
Why?
Noise pollution is on the rise.
What some people will class as noise pollution others will hear it as a sweet harmony
Im talking about well built, nice sounding engines.....not a corsa C with a cherry bomb stuck on the back of it "
Very true. Bit like of a neighbour has the music on full in the summer. Nice of it's your type of music. Terrible if it's not! |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
Why?
Noise pollution is on the rise.
What some people will class as noise pollution others will hear it as a sweet harmony
Im talking about well built, nice sounding engines.....not a corsa C with a cherry bomb stuck on the back of it
Very true. Bit like of a neighbour has the music on full in the summer. Nice of it's your type of music. Terrible if it's not!"
Well the whine of a supercharger as a car comes toward you and the rumble of a v8 as it goes past is music to my ears
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This offset of having to decide between lights and window wipers or getting home make it not a safe option
There in the right direction but quite far off yet
Agree the tesla are good options but expensive, the average ones suffer battery life too much |
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"My eldest daughter and her husband have Zoe's They have them on lease. They work great for them and seem to do very well.
I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably! "
Most of the noise you hear is from the tyres not the engine, unless it's some supercar of course. |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
Why?
Noise pollution is on the rise.
What some people will class as noise pollution others will hear it as a sweet harmony
Im talking about well built, nice sounding engines.....not a corsa C with a cherry bomb stuck on the back of it
Very true. Bit like of a neighbour has the music on full in the summer. Nice of it's your type of music. Terrible if it's not!
Well the whine of a supercharger as a car comes toward you and the rumble of a v8 as it goes past is music to my ears
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Totally wasteful things supercharges that's why nobody uses them anymore.
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"Anyone got one, test drive one?
Good points?
Bad points?
Please and thankyou  "
Question:
What do you mean by electric car?
If you mean battery powered electric car don't bother (maybe they will improve)...
If you mean a car that uses electrical motors powered by a petrol or diesel generator then the power delivery to the wheels is more efficient, but as far as I know there are none in production so far.
Of course you could mean a hydrogen fuel cell powered vehicle and then you need about £250000 to run a car on water and have free motoring... I believe Honda will build you one if you have the spare cash. |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad "
It may also make the visually impaired people out there very sad too, when they step out in front of a stupid electric because they didn't hear it coming 
Battery life/range is a joke and often less than quoted due to varying driving factors. The batteries require changing every few years and although much of the cost is covered by the manufacturer you still have to pay a considerable amount towards it.
They're still reliant on fossil fuels (where does the electricity come from to charge them?).
A study showed that electric car is more damaging to the environment before it's even turned a wheel than your average petrol/diesel in its entire life span due in part to how the nickel is mined and refined and the various shipping of parts and materials to and from the various manufactuers.
In short they're flawed and essentially unethical.
Hydrogen power is the way forward. |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
Why?
Noise pollution is on the rise.
What some people will class as noise pollution others will hear it as a sweet harmony
Im talking about well built, nice sounding engines.....not a corsa C with a cherry bomb stuck on the back of it
Very true. Bit like of a neighbour has the music on full in the summer. Nice of it's your type of music. Terrible if it's not!
Well the whine of a supercharger as a car comes toward you and the rumble of a v8 as it goes past is music to my ears
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Totally wasteful things supercharges that's why nobody uses them anymore.
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who needs turbos or superchargers vtec all the way |
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"Anyone got one, test drive one?
Good points?
Bad points?
Please and thankyou
Question:
What do you mean by electric car?
If you mean battery powered electric car don't bother (maybe they will improve)...
If you mean a car that uses electrical motors powered by a petrol or diesel generator then the power delivery to the wheels is more efficient, but as far as I know there are none in production so far.
Of course you could mean a hydrogen fuel cell powered vehicle and then you need about £250000 to run a car on water and have free motoring... I believe Honda will build you one if you have the spare cash."
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Most hybrid cars use electric motors to power the wheels, it's not new diesel trains so exactly the same thing!
Hydrogen cars, yeah great... How do you get the hydrogen again.
It takes more energy to split the hydrogen of water than you get off the hydrogen!
If you think electric cars are a bit away from doable then hydrogen fuel cells are even further away.
Last time I looked Edinburgh university was working on a material that you could build the body shell from and was also the battery! , that's likely the next generation of electric cars |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
It may also make the visually impaired people out there very sad too, when they step out in front of a stupid electric because they didn't hear it coming
Battery life/range is a joke and often less than quoted due to varying driving factors. The batteries require changing every few years and although much of the cost is covered by the manufacturer you still have to pay a considerable amount towards it.
They're still reliant on fossil fuels (where does the electricity come from to charge them?).
A study showed that electric car is more damaging to the environment before it's even turned a wheel than your average petrol/diesel in its entire life span due in part to how the nickel is mined and refined and the various shipping of parts and materials to and from the various manufactuers.
In short they're flawed and essentially unethical.
Hydrogen power is the way forward."
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Your correct except it's not just electric cars, it's actually more environmentally friendly to keep any car than swap for any new car, however if you insist on swapping cars it's better to swap to an electric car.
See my post above about hydrogen  |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
Why?
Noise pollution is on the rise.
What some people will class as noise pollution others will hear it as a sweet harmony
Im talking about well built, nice sounding engines.....not a corsa C with a cherry bomb stuck on the back of it
Very true. Bit like of a neighbour has the music on full in the summer. Nice of it's your type of music. Terrible if it's not!
Well the whine of a supercharger as a car comes toward you and the rumble of a v8 as it goes past is music to my ears
.
Totally wasteful things supercharges that's why nobody uses them anymore.
who needs turbos or superchargers vtec all the way "
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Hondas answer to diesel cars and one I think works much better.
Happy little run around with good fuel economy, turns nuts when you want/need it too |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
It may also make the visually impaired people out there very sad too, when they step out in front of a stupid electric because they didn't hear it coming
Battery life/range is a joke and often less than quoted due to varying driving factors. The batteries require changing every few years and although much of the cost is covered by the manufacturer you still have to pay a considerable amount towards it.
They're still reliant on fossil fuels (where does the electricity come from to charge them?).
A study showed that electric car is more damaging to the environment before it's even turned a wheel than your average petrol/diesel in its entire life span due in part to how the nickel is mined and refined and the various shipping of parts and materials to and from the various manufactuers.
In short they're flawed and essentially unethical.
Hydrogen power is the way forward..
Your correct except it's not just electric cars, it's actually more environmentally friendly to keep any car than swap for any new car, however if you insist on swapping cars it's better to swap to an electric car.
See my post above about hydrogen "
I know the trouble they're having with hydrogen fuel cells. Once they've cracked it it will definitely be the better alternative.
One thing I've not looked at is what happens to the spent batteries. How are they recycled? Are they recycled? |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
Why?
Noise pollution is on the rise.
What some people will class as noise pollution others will hear it as a sweet harmony
Im talking about well built, nice sounding engines.....not a corsa C with a cherry bomb stuck on the back of it
Very true. Bit like of a neighbour has the music on full in the summer. Nice of it's your type of music. Terrible if it's not!
Well the whine of a supercharger as a car comes toward you and the rumble of a v8 as it goes past is music to my ears
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Totally wasteful things supercharges that's why nobody uses them anymore.
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I know plenty that do! |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
It may also make the visually impaired people out there very sad too, when they step out in front of a stupid electric because they didn't hear it coming
Battery life/range is a joke and often less than quoted due to varying driving factors. The batteries require changing every few years and although much of the cost is covered by the manufacturer you still have to pay a considerable amount towards it.
They're still reliant on fossil fuels (where does the electricity come from to charge them?).
A study showed that electric car is more damaging to the environment before it's even turned a wheel than your average petrol/diesel in its entire life span due in part to how the nickel is mined and refined and the various shipping of parts and materials to and from the various manufactuers.
In short they're flawed and essentially unethical.
Hydrogen power is the way forward..
Your correct except it's not just electric cars, it's actually more environmentally friendly to keep any car than swap for any new car, however if you insist on swapping cars it's better to swap to an electric car.
See my post above about hydrogen
I know the trouble they're having with hydrogen fuel cells. Once they've cracked it it will definitely be the better alternative.
One thing I've not looked at is what happens to the spent batteries. How are they recycled? Are they recycled? "
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You can't crack it, it's the third law of thermo dynamics, you can't get more energy out than you put in!
Don't get me wrong electric cars can't replace petrol cars, but they have an ability for in fill, just like wind turbines on the grid |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
Why?
Noise pollution is on the rise.
What some people will class as noise pollution others will hear it as a sweet harmony and a stupid boomb box stereo..v8s n v12 is true road music
Im talking about well built, nice sounding engines.....not a corsa C with a cherry bomb stuck on the back of it "
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
Why?
Noise pollution is on the rise.
What some people will class as noise pollution others will hear it as a sweet harmony
Im talking about well built, nice sounding engines.....not a corsa C with a cherry bomb stuck on the back of it
Very true. Bit like of a neighbour has the music on full in the summer. Nice of it's your type of music. Terrible if it's not!
Well the whine of a supercharger as a car comes toward you and the rumble of a v8 as it goes past is music to my ears
.
Totally wasteful things supercharges that's why nobody uses them anymore.
who needs turbos or superchargers vtec all the way .
Hondas answer to diesel cars and one I think works much better.
Happy little run around with good fuel economy, turns nuts when you want/need it too"
Absolutely
Honda below 5000rpm 
Honda above 5000rpm 
I do loads of motorway miles and can get 40mpg from my 1.8 petrol civic
But on the high lift cam lobe this drops massively as would be expected. |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
Why?
Noise pollution is on the rise.
What some people will class as noise pollution others will hear it as a sweet harmony
Im talking about well built, nice sounding engines.....not a corsa C with a cherry bomb stuck on the back of it
Very true. Bit like of a neighbour has the music on full in the summer. Nice of it's your type of music. Terrible if it's not!
Well the whine of a supercharger as a car comes toward you and the rumble of a v8 as it goes past is music to my ears
.
Totally wasteful things supercharges that's why nobody uses them anymore.
who needs turbos or superchargers vtec all the way .
Hondas answer to diesel cars and one I think works much better.
Happy little run around with good fuel economy, turns nuts when you want/need it too
Absolutely
Honda below 5000rpm
Honda above 5000rpm
I do loads of motorway miles and can get 40mpg from my 1.8 petrol civic
But on the high lift cam lobe this drops massively as would be expected. "
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Yeah but the same applies to any diesel. Put your foot to the floor and watch the mpg drop!
Energy in energy out with efficiency ratios being equal.
Depends what you want out of an engine, I always thought Honda's vtec was a pretty good attempt at both while remaining extremely reliable |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
Why?
Noise pollution is on the rise.
What some people will class as noise pollution others will hear it as a sweet harmony
Im talking about well built, nice sounding engines.....not a corsa C with a cherry bomb stuck on the back of it
Very true. Bit like of a neighbour has the music on full in the summer. Nice of it's your type of music. Terrible if it's not!
Well the whine of a supercharger as a car comes toward you and the rumble of a v8 as it goes past is music to my ears
.
Totally wasteful things supercharges that's why nobody uses them anymore.
who needs turbos or superchargers vtec all the way .
Hondas answer to diesel cars and one I think works much better.
Happy little run around with good fuel economy, turns nuts when you want/need it too
Absolutely
Honda below 5000rpm
Honda above 5000rpm
I do loads of motorway miles and can get 40mpg from my 1.8 petrol civic
But on the high lift cam lobe this drops massively as would be expected. .
Yeah but the same applies to any diesel. Put your foot to the floor and watch the mpg drop!
Energy in energy out with efficiency ratios being equal.
Depends what you want out of an engine, I always thought Honda's vtec was a pretty good attempt at both while remaining extremely reliable"
I have a great deal of respect for the Honda VTEC engine. Just don't tell anyone at the Alfa Romeo owners club I said that! :D |
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That's the number one reason I bought a Honda....I had a Peugeot and it broke big time, full gear box rebuild at around 55,000 miles. I wanted reliability and Honda always comes out at the top of the list for relability. |
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I must say that if ALL cars were electric, the amount of noise would drop considerably!
This thought makes me sad
Why?
Noise pollution is on the rise.
What some people will class as noise pollution others will hear it as a sweet harmony
Im talking about well built, nice sounding engines.....not a corsa C with a cherry bomb stuck on the back of it
Very true. Bit like of a neighbour has the music on full in the summer. Nice of it's your type of music. Terrible if it's not!
Well the whine of a supercharger as a car comes toward you and the rumble of a v8 as it goes past is music to my ears
.
Totally wasteful things supercharges that's why nobody uses them anymore.
who needs turbos or superchargers vtec all the way .
Hondas answer to diesel cars and one I think works much better.
Happy little run around with good fuel economy, turns nuts when you want/need it too
Absolutely
Honda below 5000rpm
Honda above 5000rpm
I do loads of motorway miles and can get 40mpg from my 1.8 petrol civic
But on the high lift cam lobe this drops massively as would be expected. "
40mpg these days is rubbish, I have a touran and have averaged 54mpg over 6500 miles,my wife drives a 1.6 diesel fiesta and gets 68mpg from that. |
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The point that was being made was that a vtec engine can return reasonable economy for a petrol whilst still having the higher power output locked away at over 5250rpm when the cam changes
Personally 40mpg from a 1.8 petrol isn't bad in my opinion but on the high lift cam that drops to around 15mpg. But to be within the vtec range on a normal road you'd have to be driving like a total teapot |
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Yeah he's failing to point out the engines on both cars probably cost him around 2-5k more the fuel is 10% more expensive, the cam belt change on many diesels would buy 6 tanks of fuel, the dpf filters, oil on some modern diesels £150 a tub... Don't get me wrong diesels have their place if your doing 30k+ a year millage but last time I looked the average mileage was below 10k at that point your paying for the privilege |
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"Yeah he's failing to point out the engines on both cars probably cost him around 2-5k more the fuel is 10% more expensive, the cam belt change on many diesels would buy 6 tanks of fuel, the dpf filters, oil on some modern diesels £150 a tub... Don't get me wrong diesels have their place if your doing 30k+ a year millage but last time I looked the average mileage was below 10k at that point your paying for the privilege"
As I work for an oil company, am a mechanic with access to the necessary facility's.recently serviced both cars for a total cost of around £63 and bought both cars as ex motorbility vehicles at three years old for around two thirds of new price, one at 12k miles and the other at 15k. Will keep both for around three years and move on before timing belts need doing. So you can see if your a bit savvy you can run a diesel very very cheaply.
Apart from anything els diesels are soo much nicer to drive,very wide power band means very little gear changing and a very smooth power delivery.and modern diesels are not slow either, many are 150 bhp plus.
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My diesel Alfa is currently tuned to 210bhp and gives around 54mpg (EGR has been deleted and the inlet manifold has had the swirl flaps removed and as its a GT it never had a DPF). It's a fantastic car, bags if power and a huge surge of torque beyond 1500rpm.
The downsides? It eats clutches and flywheels (I've recently ditched the DMF and fitted an SMF), oil changes every 6k timing belt and water pump every 4yrs.
I love the car but my mileage will be reducing drastically after July so I'm looking at buying the 3.2 petrol variant next. Nothing sounds like an Alfa Busso V6. |
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"It's about the SPL
Not the BHP 
I won't insure a fast car, I simply refuse to pay £2500
I can however insure a loud car "
£2500 to insure a car? Reminds me of my youth |
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Electric cars...NOOOOOOOO...!
Cars are meant to have ENGINES not bloody electric motors.
Electric cars, no matter how nice looking are glorified golf-carts so far as i'm concerned. Even the modern hybrid cars don't appeal to me enough to buy one...will stick with my gas guzzlers thank you. |
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Tesla saloon is £55k  (mpv on its way next year too, looks like honda crv)
200+ mile range and quick, but I feel the technology will be surpassed by a long way in the next few years.
There's battery tech on its way that'll be 100 times lighter and charge in less than a minute.
My prediction is charging lanes on major routes that'll bill you per charge en route and the cars will run for a lot longer on a single charge. |
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"It's about the SPL
Not the BHP
I won't insure a fast car, I simply refuse to pay £2500
I can however insure a loud car
£2500 to insure a car? Reminds me of my youth"
Yeah
Civic type R - £2300
Subaru Impreza - £2500
Glanza V - £2500
But my 1.8 civic with:
Typhoon induction kit
Window tints
Plasti-dipped front end
Exhaust modifications
And a £3000 sound system
All declared is £1150
Confuses me! |
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"It's about the SPL
Not the BHP
I won't insure a fast car, I simply refuse to pay £2500
I can however insure a loud car "
With age comes cheap insurance 
My 1000w Bose is also plenty sufficient. |
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"It's about the SPL
Not the BHP
I won't insure a fast car, I simply refuse to pay £2500
I can however insure a loud car
With age comes cheap insurance
My 1000w Bose is also plenty sufficient."
You haven't heard my twin JL audio W7s
It's competition level audio that I've slowly got pulled deeper and deeper into over the past 2 years! Also lightens my wallet rather significantly |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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" Tesla saloon is £55k (mpv on its way next year too, looks like honda crv)
200+ mile range and quick, but I feel the technology will be surpassed by a long way in the next few years.
There's battery tech on its way that'll be 100 times lighter and charge in less than a minute.
My prediction is charging lanes on major routes that'll bill you per charge en route and the cars will run for a lot longer on a single charge. "
well the updated telsa s p85d they reckon the range is closer to 300 miles... and it is actually real world figure as oppose to what they claim
if tesla are going to make this work they need to the supercharging station network in place.... do that and it actually be a doable long range solution |
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Personally I'd rather see advancements in hybrid technology than pure electric, the electric idea is good but fails in practice with the range being so limited and with weather like it is in England the wind and rain shorten the battery life even further. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Tesla saloon is £55k (mpv on its way next year too, looks like honda crv)
200+ mile range and quick, but I feel the technology will be surpassed by a long way in the next few years.
There's battery tech on its way that'll be 100 times lighter and charge in less than a minute.
My prediction is charging lanes on major routes that'll bill you per charge en route and the cars will run for a lot longer on a single charge.
well the updated telsa s p85d they reckon the range is closer to 300 miles... and it is actually real world figure as oppose to what they claim
if tesla are going to make this work they need to the supercharging station network in place.... do that and it actually be a doable long range solution"
Who varified that range claim? |
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