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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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An Iranian judge has sentenced a man convicted of robbing a confectionery shop to have one of his hands cut off, Iranian media report.
The judge also sentenced the man to one year in prison.
Police arrested the man in May after finding $900 (£560), three pairs of gloves and a large amount of chocolate in his car, Fars news agency said.
Under Iran's Islamic law, amputations are usually reserved for habitual thieves.
Last week, authorities cut off the hand of a man convicted of two robberies in the north-eastern city of Mashhad.
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I know we often say off the cuff quips like "cut their bleedin' hands off!" when we hear or read about thieves etc but the reality of it does seem a tad barbaric.
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By (user no longer on site)
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The difficult thing is that he knew the potential punishment and still did it, which kind of proves that regardless of the punishment, some people will still do it.
I feel less sorry for this guy then I would for a woman committed of adultery over there.
In other news, I've been to Iran and I liked it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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We often say we'd like it... But I think that that is more often when we observe the tragic sentencing discrepancies in our own system.
Besides please tell us you arent about to fit Siren up with a burkah...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It’s a tricky one to answer, its ok us sitting here saying yes, but if you lived in one of these repressed countries and the only way to feed your family was to turn to crime, would you just watch them suffer because breaking the law is wrong. |
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they are nasty bastards out there its cruel and should be stopped ie stoning a woman to death for adultery honour killings where does it stop? and how long will it be before they allow those laws over here for asian people i hope i,m not alive to see it too many of my family have lost there lives in wars to suppress such evil fuckers.
may sound like i,m ranting but i,m not its just my honest opinion   |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think the idea works because it deters people. I think if they cut peoples hands off in this country a lot of people would think twice. Who gives anyone the right to steal of others."
If it happened in this country all that would happen would be the death toll of police offers would rise. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Well if your bored Friday evening you can always go to the market place and watch. at least you can in saudi arabia. Just don't sit in the stalls they reckon the blood squirts out quite a distance from a neck that's just lost its head.
If your european don't go anywhere near or you will be sat in the stalls whether you like it or not. |
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"they are nasty bastards out there its cruel and should be stopped ie stoning a woman to death for adultery honour killings where does it stop? and how long will it be before they allow those laws over here for asian people i hope i,m not alive to see it too many of my family have lost there lives in wars to suppress such evil fuckers.
may sound like i,m ranting but i,m not its just my honest opinion "
the problem is we have allready MP,s in this country actively trying to have this sharia law incorporated into the legal system
there has also been a sharp rise in honour killings in the UK
these punishments like cutting hands off seem a bit severe , but i think stoning women to death is way over the top
but the judicial system has evolved over at least 2000 years , and will continue to do so
we will just have to see what happens |
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As a person that has lived in Arabian countries for quite a few years and someone who has been picked up by the the police so we could witness punishment being served i would say the chopping off of hands ect works fantastic.
I for 1 would welcome such laws in this country as prison clearly wont stop these thugs and robbers this place seems to let run riot over decent people.
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By (user no longer on site)
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With the amount of repeat offenders i think a harsh sentence is better; sets an example for others and teaches the offender a valuable lesson
In some countries rapists have their cocks cut off, something i believe to be getting away lightly |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Plus we put these criminals in prison where they are fed 3 times a day, get a chance to work so they have some money for luxuries inside, not to mention television and other entertainment... yet we have homeless living on the streets who are given fuck all |
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By (user no longer on site)
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That’s all well and good, but would you be happy watching Zoe be stoned to death for adultery, or are we just picking and choosing which laws are ok, although what happens if it turns out the person is innocent? |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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So all benefit cheats, shoplifters,burglars,pickpockets, counterfeit good sellers,rogue workmen gets their hands cut off for thieving....
We are gonna be busy ...
And if it works there as a deterrent ... Why are they still stealing |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So all benefit cheats, shoplifters,burglars,pickpockets, counterfeit good sellers,rogue workmen gets their hands cut off for thieving....
We are gonna be busy ...
And if it works there as a deterrent ... Why are they still stealing"
Please stop posting rationally on this thread...you know where threads like this head: stop spoiling their fun!!  |
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"Should the punishment fit the crime?"
Anyone who commits a barbaric crime such as paedophiles or those who rape 80 year old pensioners should receive capitol punishment, sadly, it'll never be reinstated in this country due to the do gooders in Europe, I never have and never will believe such bastards can be rehabilitated.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"on another note, if a man rapes a woman, would it be fair to then rape the man "
Errr if a man rapes a woman she obviously was a complete slut that provoked him and deserved everything she got. He would walk. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And if it works there as a deterrent ... Why are they still stealing"
You can never deter everyone, there will always be those who think they can get away with it... however most would re-think their actions. |
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got caught doing 33mph in a 30 mph zone 3 points!! my fault = 3 points
was driving to kwikfit to get 2 tyres changed when got caught with tyres that where not legal !!! my fault 6 points
drove away from the checkpoint drove one mile and went thru a speed camera at 34 mph !! my fault 3 points
total 12 points !! I know unlucky bastard but hey thats me !!!
but
lost my job !!
lost my house !!
lost my wife !!
lost my kids !!
now on the dole !!
claiming any benifit there is !!
does the crime fit the punishment !!!!
you tell me
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And if it works there as a deterrent ... Why are they still stealing
You can never deter everyone, there will always be those who think they can get away with it... however most would re-think their actions."
Do you honestly believe that? I’d take a guess that most would just arm themselves with guns and make sure they didn’t get caught, taking out anything that got in their way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"got caught doing 33mph in a 30 mph zone 3 points!! my fault = 3 points
was driving to kwikfit to get 2 tyres changed when got caught with tyres that where not legal !!! my fault 6 points
drove away from the checkpoint drove one mile and went thru a speed camera at 34 mph !! my fault 3 points
total 12 points !! I know unlucky bastard but hey thats me !!!
but
lost my job !!
lost my house !!
lost my wife !!
lost my kids !!
now on the dole !!
claiming any benifit there is !!
does the crime fit the punishment !!!!
you tell me
in reply to this.if you had lost control of your car due to illegal tyres and you killed someone,if you had killed someone due to your speed,then how would the families of the victims feel?
ok it didnt end in deaths or injuries but it may have that why the law says the tyre tread is....the speed limit is.
everyone does things they shouldnt from time to time but when you do you know whatll happen if you get caught out.
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"And if it works there as a deterrent ... Why are they still stealing
You can never deter everyone, there will always be those who think they can get away with it... however most would re-think their actions."
A rogue is a rogue... And a two handed one would become a one rogue. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"got caught doing 33mph in a 30 mph zone 3 points!! my fault = 3 points
was driving to kwikfit to get 2 tyres changed when got caught with tyres that where not legal !!! my fault 6 points
drove away from the checkpoint drove one mile and went thru a speed camera at 34 mph !! my fault 3 points
total 12 points !! I know unlucky bastard but hey thats me !!!
but
lost my job !!
lost my house !!
lost my wife !!
lost my kids !!
now on the dole !!
claiming any benifit there is !!
does the crime fit the punishment !!!!
you tell me
in reply to this.if you had lost control of your car due to illegal tyres and you killed someone,if you had killed someone due to your speed,then how would the families of the victims feel?
ok it didnt end in deaths or injuries but it may have that why the law says the tyre tread is....the speed limit is.
everyone does things they shouldnt from time to time but when you do you know whatll happen if you get caught out.
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not the question !! no one was hurt
just answer the question !!
does the punishment fit the crime !!!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And if it works there as a deterrent ... Why are they still stealing
You can never deter everyone, there will always be those who think they can get away with it... however most would re-think their actions.
Do you honestly believe that? I’d take a guess that most would just arm themselves with guns and make sure they didn’t get caught, taking out anything that got in their way. "
Yes i do, the thing is here we havent established the nature of the crime. I know the op set an example but for instance:
Someone who goes into a clothes shop everyweek to steal dresses to sell on for a couple hundred quid would most likely stop doing so at the risk of losing a hand
But a gang that intends to do over a bank with the prospect of gaining hundreds of thousands of pounds would see the reward outweigh the risk, and more than likely already be armed!
Therefore; it wouldnt deter everyone |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"got caught doing 33mph in a 30 mph zone 3 points!! my fault = 3 points
was driving to kwikfit to get 2 tyres changed when got caught with tyres that where not legal !!! my fault 6 points
drove away from the checkpoint drove one mile and went thru a speed camera at 34 mph !! my fault 3 points
total 12 points !! I know unlucky bastard but hey thats me !!!
but
lost my job !!
lost my house !!
lost my wife !!
lost my kids !!
now on the dole !!
claiming any benifit there is !!
does the crime fit the punishment !!!!
you tell me
in reply to this.if you had lost control of your car due to illegal tyres and you killed someone,if you had killed someone due to your speed,then how would the families of the victims feel?
ok it didnt end in deaths or injuries but it may have that why the law says the tyre tread is....the speed limit is.
everyone does things they shouldnt from time to time but when you do you know whatll happen if you get caught out.
not the question !! no one was hurt
just answer the question !!
does the punishment fit the crime !!!
yes it does.people may have been hurt or killed.thats why we have laws saying you cant do this or that otherwise they wouldnt have been made.speed kills,worn tyres kill.
put it another way.if i drink 5pints of lager and drive home does it make it ok if i dont kill or injure someone? hell no it doesnt.as ive stated we all do things we shouldnt,you did,you new the risks,you got caught. you mustnt have thought of what you could have lost when taking the risks.end of.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"got caught doing 33mph in a 30 mph zone 3 points!! my fault = 3 points
was driving to kwikfit to get 2 tyres changed when got caught with tyres that where not legal !!! my fault 6 points
drove away from the checkpoint drove one mile and went thru a speed camera at 34 mph !! my fault 3 points
total 12 points !! I know unlucky bastard but hey thats me !!!
but
lost my job !!
lost my house !!
lost my wife !!
lost my kids !!
now on the dole !!
claiming any benifit there is !!
does the crime fit the punishment !!!!
you tell me
in reply to this.if you had lost control of your car due to illegal tyres and you killed someone,if you had killed someone due to your speed,then how would the families of the victims feel?
ok it didnt end in deaths or injuries but it may have that why the law says the tyre tread is....the speed limit is.
everyone does things they shouldnt from time to time but when you do you know whatll happen if you get caught out.
not the question !! no one was hurt
just answer the question !!
does the punishment fit the crime !!!
yes it does.people may have been hurt or killed.thats why we have laws saying you cant do this or that otherwise they wouldnt have been made.speed kills,worn tyres kill.
put it another way.if i drink 5pints of lager and drive home does it make it ok if i dont kill or injure someone? hell no it doesnt.as ive stated we all do things we shouldnt,you did,you new the risks,you got caught. you mustnt have thought of what you could have lost when taking the risks.end of.
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what a load of self sanctimonious twaddle !!!
no one mentioned drink driving and it goes wthout saying that you don't drink and drive !!!
but look at what I posted and answer the question does the punishment fit the crime !!!
in my opinion no it doesn't
you really believe that it's ok to lose
your job
your wife
your family
your house
everything
over points on your license !!!
nah the punishment does not suit the crime
you dont get treated that way if you beat the crap out of someone and believe me I know
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By (user no longer on site)
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"got caught doing 33mph in a 30 mph zone 3 points!! my fault = 3 points
was driving to kwikfit to get 2 tyres changed when got caught with tyres that where not legal !!! my fault 6 points
drove away from the checkpoint drove one mile and went thru a speed camera at 34 mph !! my fault 3 points
total 12 points !! I know unlucky bastard but hey thats me !!!
but
lost my job !!
lost my house !!
lost my wife !!
lost my kids !!
now on the dole !!
claiming any benifit there is !!
does the crime fit the punishment !!!!
you tell me
in reply to this.if you had lost control of your car due to illegal tyres and you killed someone,if you had killed someone due to your speed,then how would the families of the victims feel?
ok it didnt end in deaths or injuries but it may have that why the law says the tyre tread is....the speed limit is.
everyone does things they shouldnt from time to time but when you do you know whatll happen if you get caught out.
not the question !! no one was hurt
just answer the question !!
does the punishment fit the crime !!!
yes it does.people may have been hurt or killed.thats why we have laws saying you cant do this or that otherwise they wouldnt have been made.speed kills,worn tyres kill.
put it another way.if i drink 5pints of lager and drive home does it make it ok if i dont kill or injure someone? hell no it doesnt.as ive stated we all do things we shouldnt,you did,you new the risks,you got caught. you mustnt have thought of what you could have lost when taking the risks.end of.
what a load of self sanctimonious twaddle !!!
no one mentioned drink driving and it goes wthout saying that you don't drink and drive !!!
but look at what I posted and answer the question does the punishment fit the crime !!!
in my opinion no it doesn't
you really believe that it's ok to lose
your job
your wife
your family
your house
everything
over points on your license !!!
nah the punishment does not suit the crime
you dont get treated that way if you beat the crap out of someone and believe me I know
i mentiond drink driving as 1,its illegal over a certain limit and 2,it can and does kill just the same as worn illegal tyres and speed.
lets not have any laws and just do what people want and to hell with what happens then.
when youve lost someone to speeding drivers then youll change your _iew on this issue.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"what a load of self sanctimonious twaddle !!!
no one mentioned drink driving and it goes wthout saying that you don't drink and drive !!!
but look at what I posted and answer the question does the punishment fit the crime !!!
in my opinion no it doesn't
you really believe that it's ok to lose
your job
your wife
your family
your house
everything
over points on your license !!!
nah the punishment does not suit the crime
you dont get treated that way if you beat the crap out of someone and believe me I know
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Just because a person doesn't agree with you on an issue doesn't mean their _iewpoint isn't as valid as yours. It sounds like you are bitter about the way your life has turned out yet you are refusing to accept the blame for any of it.
You had dodgy tyres on your car and could have replaced them before they became illegal.
You were speeding when you shouldn't have been.
Your marriage obviously wasn't as strong as you thought it was or she would have stood by you while you were off the road.
..and you only lose your kids if you allow that to happen.
Did the punishment fit the crime?
Yes, you broke the law but the law cannot be held responsible for the subsequent hardship you experienced *because* you broke the law. |
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"on another note, if a man rapes a woman, would it be fair to then rape the man
Wouldn't that then just be consensual sex?"
Yes thats the thing, it wouldnt really fit the crime because the man would enjoy it  |
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"on another note, if a man rapes a woman, would it be fair to then rape the man
Wouldn't that then just be consensual sex?
Yes thats the thing, it wouldnt really fit the crime because the man would enjoy it "
A bi or gay man might but a straight man wouldn't. |
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"I believe in abiding the law of the land. If one does not like them, then don't go there I'd say!  "
i remember a story where a child in some muslim country had his arms run over and smashed for stealing a loaf of bread, the little boy was 6 years old and had not eaten for days, they tied him to the ground face down while they ran a truck over his arms, and then left him there broken with no medical help at all
And the muslim women who was sentanced to be flogged in public for being raped
the laws of the land are not always right, no matter what laws are it is not right to diabale a small child for being hungry or punish a woman for being raqped |
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"on another note, if a man rapes a woman, would it be fair to then rape the man
Errr if a man rapes a woman she obviously was a complete slut that provoked him and deserved everything she got. He would walk."
under muslim law if a woman is raped she is tried for having sex with someone she isnt married to, its against the law to have sex when not married and under their law rape is not a get out |
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"An Iranian judge has sentenced a man convicted of robbing a confectionery shop to have one of his hands cut off, Iranian media report.
The judge also sentenced the man to one year in prison.
Police arrested the man in May after finding $900 (£560), three pairs of gloves and a large amount of chocolate in his car, Fars news agency said.
Under Iran's Islamic law, amputations are usually reserved for habitual thieves.
Last week, authorities cut off the hand of a man convicted of two robberies in the north-eastern city of Mashhad.
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I know we often say off the cuff quips like "cut their bleedin' hands off!" when we hear or read about thieves etc but the reality of it does seem a tad barbaric.
Should the punishment fit the crime?"
The book advises on many such crimes. Giving the right to the victim to demand the prescribed punishment. However, it is also written that it would be better to desist. |
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any belief based law is set down to be applied in a society that observes all civil and human rights. This means that there should be sufficient opportunties to work and live without recourse to crime. If the society cannot provide this then the punishments are not appropriate. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Which crime? you committed 3 - and you can exceed 12 points if you can prove that having your licence taken away will lead to job loss.
Did you decide you were en-route to Kwikfit before or after you were pulled? (if you realised they needed to be changed, why not book an appointment with them to cover your back?)
what were you doing to get pulled over in the first place? after getting upto 9 points wouldn't you usually drive home more cautiously?
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In the UK you always hear of decisions being overturned or new evidence coming to light of crimes a few years later.
If someone was found a year later to be innocent how would they stick the hand back on? |
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