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"Interested to see what people feel. Scottish - would you vote yourself out of UK if given a second chance ? English - if the vote was flipped and we had the choice of kicking Scotland out of UK what would you vote ? I think the Scottish want to leave but I also think the English would be happy for it to happen ? " There was a referendum in September. The Scots voted to stay. What has changed in the last few months to make you think they have changed their minds? | |||
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"Interested to see what people feel. Scottish - would you vote yourself out of UK if given a second chance ? English - if the vote was flipped and we had the choice of kicking Scotland out of UK what would you vote ? I think the Scottish want to leave but I also think the English would be happy for it to happen ? There was a referendum in September. The Scots voted to stay. What has changed in the last few months to make you think they have changed their minds?" What has changed is the Labour wipeout in Scotland - the SNP have always WANTED independence - they now basically have a mandate to 'go for it' - and in my opinion it is inevitable. I won't shed any tears - sick of hearing about the scots wanting to hold the rest of us to ransom. Let them sink or swim on their own | |||
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"Interested to see what people feel. Scottish - would you vote yourself out of UK if given a second chance ? English - if the vote was flipped and we had the choice of kicking Scotland out of UK what would you vote ? I think the Scottish want to leave but I also think the English would be happy for it to happen ? There was a referendum in September. The Scots voted to stay. What has changed in the last few months to make you think they have changed their minds?" The SNP just missed out. The Scottish want to stay in the EU. The polling showed that the outcome would have been very different if the Scottish people were voting on the basis that Britain was out of Europe. The scottish want to stay in Europe more than they want to stay in Britian. The SNP have said recently that they will not have another referendum provided that there is NOT a significant change in circumstances. Over the next 2 years the SNP are going to play every trick in the book and they only need to get it right once. | |||
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"Interested to see what people feel. Scottish - would you vote yourself out of UK if given a second chance ? English - if the vote was flipped and we had the choice of kicking Scotland out of UK what would you vote ? I think the Scottish want to leave but I also think the English would be happy for it to happen ? There was a referendum in September. The Scots voted to stay. What has changed in the last few months to make you think they have changed their minds? What has changed is the Labour wipeout in Scotland - the SNP have always WANTED independence - they now basically have a mandate to 'go for it' - and in my opinion it is inevitable. I won't shed any tears - sick of hearing about the scots wanting to hold the rest of us to ransom. Let them sink or swim on their own" Ransom,,what ransom,,,utter crap yer talkin | |||
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"A large number of folks that voted No didn't make up their minds until days before the Referendum when Gordon Brown threw the Devo Max subject onto the table. 2 days later and the 3 main party leaders withdrew his offer and angered majority of the populace as once again Westminster lied. Hence total whitewash in Scottish Politics...Scotland sick and tired of Tory leadership and Labour now just an extension of Tory mindset. Time we stood on our own feet."  | |||
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"let the scots have scotland and all there expenses " why sound so bitter,,,why not just say "its the scots business let them decide" | |||
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"I was interested to see if English/other British wanted them to stay and if more Scots wanted to go or stay. " I don't think people up here care what England,holland or even outer Mongolia think | |||
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"A large number of folks that voted No didn't make up their minds until days before the Referendum when Gordon Brown threw the Devo Max subject onto the table. " There has been some analysis done after the election that showed the Brown 'vow' didn't actualy make any difference to the outcome of the vote. | |||
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"A large number of folks that voted No didn't make up their minds until days before the Referendum when Gordon Brown threw the Devo Max subject onto the table. There has been some analysis done after the election that showed the Brown 'vow' didn't actualy make any difference to the outcome of the vote." And plenty analysis done that it did  | |||
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"I was interested to see if English/other British wanted them to stay and if more Scots wanted to go or stay. I don't think people up here care what England,holland or even outer Mongolia think" Fair enough but I am interested in what people down here think also you see. The way I see it at the moment most English people couldn't care less if Scotland go independent, that's a sad state if it's the case  | |||
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"the only English point of _iew I,ll listen to is from the ones that live and work in Scotland. Funny thing is most of them vote snp " 72.1% of English/Welsh/NI residents in the country voted No at the referendum. | |||
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"I was interested to see if English/other British wanted them to stay and if more Scots wanted to go or stay. I don't think people up here care what England,holland or even outer Mongolia think Fair enough but I am interested in what people down here think also you see. The way I see it at the moment most English people couldn't care less if Scotland go independent, that's a sad state if it's the case "ha,,i think their taking the huff that's what its about down south | |||
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"A large number of folks that voted No didn't make up their minds until days before the Referendum when Gordon Brown threw the Devo Max subject onto the table. There has been some analysis done after the election that showed the Brown 'vow' didn't actualy make any difference to the outcome of the vote. Oops forgot , we are on a singers site ! Nice cock ha ha ha And plenty analysis done that it did " | |||
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"A large number of folks that voted No didn't make up their minds until days before the Referendum when Gordon Brown threw the Devo Max subject onto the table. There has been some analysis done after the election that showed the Brown 'vow' didn't actualy make any difference to the outcome of the vote. And plenty analysis done that it did "Links to the studies? | |||
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"the only English point of _iew I,ll listen to is from the ones that live and work in Scotland. Funny thing is most of them vote snp 72.1% of English/Welsh/NI residents in the country voted No at the referendum." LOL,Where did you get that from,out of the sky? | |||
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"the only English point of _iew I,ll listen to is from the ones that live and work in Scotland. Funny thing is most of them vote snp 72.1% of English/Welsh/NI residents in the country voted No at the referendum. LOL,Where did you get that from,out of the sky?" Edinburgh University study by Professor of Political Science. I'm assuming their sample size is rather larger than the one you used... | |||
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"I wouldn't vote to 'kick' Scotland out. If a majority of Scots voted to leave, obviously of the UK would have to respect that, but they didn't. But, the Scots do not get to pick and choose the good bits of being part of the UK while slagging it off at every available opportunity, same as the anti-Scottish rhetoric from some English politicians needs to pack it in as well. Unfortunately it's the ignorant and the bigoted who always shout the loudest (on both sides) and exercise undue influence. There should and will be devolution of extra powers to Scotland, but this has to be matched by powers for English regions too, or they will be unfairly disadvantaged. As a small example, the Scots want control to vary (reduce) rates of Air Passenger Duty. If they were to do so, that would have a huge negative impact on northern airports and the surrounding regional economies, so they would have to be given the same ability to vary the rate of duty." | |||
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"I was interested to see if English/other British wanted them to stay and if more Scots wanted to go or stay. I don't think people up here care what England,holland or even outer Mongolia think Fair enough but I am interested in what people down here think also you see. The way I see it at the moment most English people couldn't care less if Scotland go independent, that's a sad state if it's the case "I care, because I consider myself British, not English, and Scotland is part of that. However there's a small part of me that thinks "fuck them" after all the anti-English rhetoric there has been in this election and the referendum. It would feel satisfying to see the SNP hoisted by their own petard, but that would be at the detriment of people in Scotland so I'd rather it just didn't come to that. | |||
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"I wouldn't vote to 'kick' Scotland out. If a majority of Scots voted to leave, obviously of the UK would have to respect that, but they didn't. But, the Scots do not get to pick and choose the good bits of being part of the UK while slagging it off at every available opportunity, same as the anti-Scottish rhetoric from some English politicians needs to pack it in as well. Unfortunately it's the ignorant and the bigoted who always shout the loudest (on both sides) and exercise undue influence. There should and will be devolution of extra powers to Scotland, but this has to be matched by powers for English regions too, or they will be unfairly disadvantaged. As a small example, the Scots want control to vary (reduce) rates of Air Passenger Duty. If they were to do so, that would have a huge negative impact on northern airports and the surrounding regional economies, so they would have to be given the same ability to vary the rate of duty." Well at present I used to fly from Newcastle often ad it was around £600 cheaper to fly from Newcastle than from Edinburgh And wad cheaper to fly from London or Mabchester to US even when those planes would fly up to glasgow area before then heading out over the Atlantic So wr know all about heing treated unfairly whete sir travel involved | |||
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"I wouldn't vote to 'kick' Scotland out. If a majority of Scots voted to leave, obviously of the UK would have to respect that, but they didn't. But, the Scots do not get to pick and choose the good bits of being part of the UK while slagging it off at every available opportunity, same as the anti-Scottish rhetoric from some English politicians needs to pack it in as well. Unfortunately it's the ignorant and the bigoted who always shout the loudest (on both sides) and exercise undue influence. There should and will be devolution of extra powers to Scotland, but this has to be matched by powers for English regions too, or they will be unfairly disadvantaged. As a small example, the Scots want control to vary (reduce) rates of Air Passenger Duty. If they were to do so, that would have a huge negative impact on northern airports and the surrounding regional economies, so they would have to be given the same ability to vary the rate of duty. Well at present I used to fly from Newcastle often ad it was around £600 cheaper to fly from Newcastle than from Edinburgh And wad cheaper to fly from London or Mabchester to US even when those planes would fly up to glasgow area before then heading out over the Atlantic So wr know all about heing treated unfairly whete sir travel involved" Sorry missed that was £600 cheaper for family of 4 | |||
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"I wouldn't vote to 'kick' Scotland out. If a majority of Scots voted to leave, obviously of the UK would have to respect that, but they didn't. But, the Scots do not get to pick and choose the good bits of being part of the UK while slagging it off at every available opportunity, same as the anti-Scottish rhetoric from some English politicians needs to pack it in as well. Unfortunately it's the ignorant and the bigoted who always shout the loudest (on both sides) and exercise undue influence. There should and will be devolution of extra powers to Scotland, but this has to be matched by powers for English regions too, or they will be unfairly disadvantaged. As a small example, the Scots want control to vary (reduce) rates of Air Passenger Duty. If they were to do so, that would have a huge negative impact on northern airports and the surrounding regional economies, so they would have to be given the same ability to vary the rate of duty. Well at present I used to fly from Newcastle often ad it was around £600 cheaper to fly from Newcastle than from Edinburgh And wad cheaper to fly from London or Mabchester to US even when those planes would fly up to glasgow area before then heading out over the Atlantic So wr know all about heing treated unfairly whete sir travel involved Sorry missed that was £600 cheaper for family of 4" But that's not because of the rates set by the government, that's because of decisions taken by commercial companies. | |||
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"57 seats for the SNP, I think there are a few Scots that would vote differently now. I put the 'flip' vote theory to a Scottish friend of mine the other day. " Actually, they won 56 seats and as Nicola Sturgeon has said time and time again (ad nauseum) is that the General Election was NOT a re-run of the independence referendum. Scotland voted to remain part of the UK in September. That was less than 9 months ago. Now consider that some parties didn't feel that we should have a say in membership of Europe, despite the issue not having been put to the people in the last 40 years, why would it be acceptable to ask the question of membership of the United Kingdom within only a few years of the last referendum? Fortunately, we WILL be given the chance to make a decision on Europe | |||
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"the only English point of _iew I,ll listen to is from the ones that live and work in Scotland. Funny thing is most of them vote snp 72.1% of English/Welsh/NI residents in the country voted No at the referendum. LOL,Where did you get that from,out of the sky? Edinburgh University study by Professor of Political Science. I'm assuming their sample size is rather larger than the one you used..." There are plenty studies on the subject that vary wildly from the uk Europe and Canada, believe which ever suits you,but one things for sure the break up of the union is inevitable | |||
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"57 seats for the SNP, I think there are a few Scots that would vote differently now. I put the 'flip' vote theory to a Scottish friend of mine the other day. Actually, they won 56 seats and as Nicola Sturgeon has said time and time again (ad nauseum) is that the General Election was NOT a re-run of the independence referendum. Scotland voted to remain part of the UK in September. That was less than 9 months ago. Now consider that some parties didn't feel that we should have a say in membership of Europe, despite the issue not having been put to the people in the last 40 years, why would it be acceptable to ask the question of membership of the United Kingdom within only a few years of the last referendum? Fortunately, we WILL be given the chance to make a decision on Europe " And what happens if England votes to leave Europe and Scotland wants to stay???? personally I don't think anyone with half a brain would vote to leave Europe,,mind you plenty in England did vote ukip | |||
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"57 seats for the SNP, I think there are a few Scots that would vote differently now. I put the 'flip' vote theory to a Scottish friend of mine the other day. Actually, they won 56 seats and as Nicola Sturgeon has said time and time again (ad nauseum) is that the General Election was NOT a re-run of the independence referendum. Scotland voted to remain part of the UK in September. That was less than 9 months ago. Now consider that some parties didn't feel that we should have a say in membership of Europe, despite the issue not having been put to the people in the last 40 years, why would it be acceptable to ask the question of membership of the United Kingdom within only a few years of the last referendum? Fortunately, we WILL be given the chance to make a decision on Europe " Sorry 56 it is. That changes the whole point of the thread then. I was looking for opinion of Scots as to whether they personally would want to stay and the opinions of English as to their thoughts, and whether they cared, if Scotland left. Not a massive political debate more a snapshot of the feelings of the normal man or woman ( or TS or TV ) on the street. | |||
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"57 seats for the SNP, I think there are a few Scots that would vote differently now. I put the 'flip' vote theory to a Scottish friend of mine the other day. Actually, they won 56 seats and as Nicola Sturgeon has said time and time again (ad nauseum) is that the General Election was NOT a re-run of the independence referendum. Scotland voted to remain part of the UK in September. That was less than 9 months ago. Now consider that some parties didn't feel that we should have a say in membership of Europe, despite the issue not having been put to the people in the last 40 years, why would it be acceptable to ask the question of membership of the United Kingdom within only a few years of the last referendum? Fortunately, we WILL be given the chance to make a decision on Europe Sorry 56 it is. That changes the whole point of the thread then. I was looking for opinion of Scots as to whether they personally would want to stay and the opinions of English as to their thoughts, and whether they cared, if Scotland left. Not a massive political debate more a snapshot of the feelings of the normal man or woman ( or TS or TV ) on the street. "id like independence,,there ya go | |||
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"Interested to see what people feel. Scottish - would you vote yourself out of UK if given a second chance ? English - if the vote was flipped and we had the choice of kicking Scotland out of UK what would you vote ? I think the Scottish want to leave but I also think the English would be happy for it to happen ? " Why doesn't England leave the Union if it doesn't like it? Why wait for the Scots to leave? Have a vote in England to leave at the same time as the vote to leave the EU. | |||
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"the only English point of _iew I,ll listen to is from the ones that live and work in Scotland. Funny thing is most of them vote snp " | |||
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"57 seats for the SNP, I think there are a few Scots that would vote differently now. I put the 'flip' vote theory to a Scottish friend of mine the other day. Actually, they won 56 seats and as Nicola Sturgeon has said time and time again (ad nauseum) is that the General Election was NOT a re-run of the independence referendum. Scotland voted to remain part of the UK in September. That was less than 9 months ago. Now consider that some parties didn't feel that we should have a say in membership of Europe, despite the issue not having been put to the people in the last 40 years, why would it be acceptable to ask the question of membership of the United Kingdom within only a few years of the last referendum? Fortunately, we WILL be given the chance to make a decision on Europe Sorry 56 it is. That changes the whole point of the thread then. I was looking for opinion of Scots as to whether they personally would want to stay and the opinions of English as to their thoughts, and whether they cared, if Scotland left. Not a massive political debate more a snapshot of the feelings of the normal man or woman ( or TS or TV ) on the street.
id like independence,,there ya go"Cool, at last . That's one Scottish Independence vote on my list, 1-0 to Independence at the moment then  | |||
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"Voted Yes seven months ago and I'd vote Yes again tomorrow given the opportunity. I see the SNP surge as a stepping stone towards independence before the end of the decade. " 2- nil !! | |||
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"No, I am very proud to be Scottish and equally happy being British. "But you buck the trend .... and vote conservative !!! | |||
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"My nan and grandad are English who live in Edinburgh. And I always find out hilarious when I go there that Scotland want independence but they want to keep our currency. Hmm errr no. That's not what independence means. That's not how it works. " You seem to have a deep understanding to all the deferent aspects of independence and the implications, any more pearls back there? Oh before you answer- Google 'what is panama's currency?' | |||
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"No, I am very proud to be Scottish and equally happy being British. "Not just you! | |||
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"the only English point of _iew I,ll listen to is from the ones that live and work in Scotland. Funny thing is most of them vote snp 72.1% of English/Welsh/NI residents in the country voted No at the referendum. LOL,Where did you get that from,out of the sky? Edinburgh University study by Professor of Political Science. I'm assuming their sample size is rather larger than the one you used... There are plenty studies on the subject that vary wildly from the uk Europe and Canada, believe which ever suits you,but one things for sure the break up of the union is inevitable "I'll happily check out any studies that disagree with the figures I've posted if you'll list some for me. Thanks | |||
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"I'd happily let the Scottish have independence . Then we wouldn't have to subsidise their health care and education. We would also not have 56 seats in our parliament ensuring it stays that way , or get even worse . So i hope they get another vote soon and leave this time ." Do you dislike Wales and NI taking all your money too? | |||
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" You seem to have a deep understanding to all the deferent aspects of independence and the implications, any more pearls back there? '" What do you mean first? | |||
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"Firstly, it's not "your" currency. Secondly, it's not "your" parliment. " No, it's ours. As in Britain's, which includes Scotland too. But if Scotland chooses not to be part of Britain, it isn't any more. | |||
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"Oh fuck it This is getting shitty. "No, this just starting to get to the crux of it . It's the difference of opinions that fascinate me. Everybody should be respectful but get their point across | |||
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"Firstly, it's not "your" currency. Secondly, it's not "your" parliment. No, it's ours. As in Britain's, which includes Scotland too. But if Scotland chooses not to be part of Britain, it isn't any more. " | |||
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"Oh fuck it This is getting shitty.
No, this just starting to get to the crux of it . It's the difference of opinions that fascinate me. Everybody should be respectful but get their point across "I always know when what I'm about to say is heading for the ban hammer when I start deleting my own posts  | |||
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"I'd happily let the Scottish have independence . " 'Let' them? The SNP loves it when you help them! | |||
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"No, I am very proud to be Scottish and equally happy being British.
Not just you! "I am proud to be Scottish, would never describe myself as being proud to be British. Jason | |||
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"No, I am very proud to be Scottish and equally happy being British.
Not just you!
I am proud to be Scottish, would never describe myself as being proud to be British.
Jason"Not to proud to take our money though eh? | |||
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"No, I am very proud to be Scottish and equally happy being British.
Not just you!
I am proud to be Scottish, would never describe myself as being proud to be British.
Jason
Not to proud to take our money though eh?"But the UK parties wanted Scotland to stay in the Union, so they obviously didn't mind either. | |||
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"No, I am very proud to be Scottish and equally happy being British.
Not just you!
I am proud to be Scottish, would never describe myself as being proud to be British.
Jason
Not to proud to take our money though eh?"It's this kind of shit that makes me want to call myself British not English | |||
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"I'd happily let the Scottish have independence . Then we wouldn't have to subsidise their health care and education. We would also not have 56 seats in our parliament ensuring it stays that way , or get even worse . So i hope they get another vote soon and leave this time ." So what you saying is Scotland cant send 56 MP's down to the UK Parliament ? last time i checked Scotland is part of the UK. | |||
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"No, I am very proud to be Scottish and equally happy being British.
Not just you!
I am proud to be Scottish, would never describe myself as being proud to be British.
Jason"I find that quite sad to be honest, but then I suppose it all depends on life experiences. | |||
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"No, I am very proud to be Scottish and equally happy being British.
Not just you!
I am proud to be Scottish, would never describe myself as being proud to be British.
Jason
Not to proud to take our money though eh?
But the UK parties wanted Scotland to stay in the Union, so they obviously didn't mind either. "If you took trident and north Sea oil out of the equation they wouldn't give a toss if the scotts left the union. | |||
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"S - At this point we are part of UK i voted SNP as i want them to have a voice down in westminster i will be happy to remain part of the UK if we get devo max /home rule if Cameron gives us this vow and its not enough then yeah i will be again be happy for another Scottish referendum or if this EU referendum we vote to come out then again i would want a Scottish referendum its not about hating England its about westminster treating us with respect and listening to the scottish people. They wanting us in UK so now that there is 56 SNP MP's down there they have to be heard and respected." Suggesting SNP MPs have to respected in Westminster is to completely misunderstand the Tories. | |||
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"No, I am very proud to be Scottish and equally happy being British.
Not just you!
I am proud to be Scottish, would never describe myself as being proud to be British.
Jason
Not to proud to take our money though eh?
But the UK parties wanted Scotland to stay in the Union, so they obviously didn't mind either.
If you took trident and north Sea oil out of the equation they wouldn't give a toss if the scotts left the union."Then feel free to back a vote on England leaving the Union - don't wait for Scotland to do it. | |||
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" I like being British tho so am glad to be in the union. Voted SNP for 1st time as no other party represents what I think Scotland needs. I definitely does not mean a mandate to independence and I would object if asked to hold another as it should be a generation topic at its soonest." ^That doesn't make sense. 
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"No, I am very proud to be Scottish and equally happy being British.
Not just you!
I am proud to be Scottish, would never describe myself as being proud to be British.
Jason
Not to proud to take our money though eh?"Your phrasing is very offensive, if anything were the ones working and handing out wages to you only for the purse to be opened and tiny housekeeping money given back....if anything YOU are spending our money! Just cause you hold the purse doesn't mean you filled it yourself...so arrogant! | |||
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" To get back to the crux as you put it, I voted yes for indy if only to stop people here moaning about Westminster for why Scotland isn't as great and to succeed or fail by our own. I like being British tho so am glad to be in the union. Voted SNP for 1st time as no other party represents what I think Scotland needs. I definitely does not mean a mandate to independence and I would object if asked to hold another as it should be a generation topic at its soonest." | |||
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" Just cause you hold the purse doesn't mean you filled it yourself...so arrogant!" I love that saying, gonna keep it and put it away for a rainy day! | |||
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"S - At this point we are part of UK i voted SNP as i want them to have a voice down in westminster i will be happy to remain part of the UK if we get devo max /home rule if Cameron gives us this vow and its not enough then yeah i will be again be happy for another Scottish referendum or if this EU referendum we vote to come out then again i would want a Scottish referendum its not about hating England its about westminster treating us with respect and listening to the scottish people. They wanting us in UK so now that there is 56 SNP MP's down there they have to be heard and respected. Suggesting SNP MPs have to respected in Westminster is to completely misunderstand the Tories." No it's to misunderstand the nature of the British Parliament. 56 SNP MPs will command the same respect as MPs of any other party in opposition, which means probably not a great deal of influence. Same would apply under an outright Labour majority. | |||
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"I'd happily let the Scottish have independence . Then we wouldn't have to subsidise their health care and education. We would also not have 56 seats in our parliament ensuring it stays that way , or get even worse . So i hope they get another vote soon and leave this time . So what you saying is Scotland cant send 56 MP's down to the UK Parliament ? last time i checked Scotland is part of the UK. " If Scotland voted to leave , then of course they couldn't . That's what I am saying | |||
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" I like being British tho so am glad to be in the union. Voted SNP for 1st time as no other party represents what I think Scotland needs. I definitely does not mean a mandate to independence and I would object if asked to hold another as it should be a generation topic at its soonest. ^That doesn't make sense.
So why did you REALLY vote SNP? ...
"I realise it's complicated but the whole issue is. I voted for the party whose economic ideas were best for me- why did you have a different reason????? | |||
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" I like being British tho so am glad to be in the union. Voted SNP for 1st time as no other party represents what I think Scotland needs. I definitely does not mean a mandate to independence and I would object if asked to hold another as it should be a generation topic at its soonest. ^That doesn't make sense.
So why did you REALLY vote SNP? ...
I realise it's complicated but the whole issue is. I voted for the party whose economic ideas were best for me- why did you have a different reason?????
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"This thread is becoming anti scottish/English. I did vote for independance as I believe we could sustain ourselves. However that vote was no so there is no going back there. We do get free prescription and education but that is not paid by anyone other than us, the Barnet formulae states the amount of money the Scottish government get which is less that what Westminster receives from the Scottish taxes. The Scottish government decides how to spend this and they want us to have free education and prescriptions, I also think England would like this too. What ever happens in the future scotland and England will always be linked and that will never change, the more people that have an issue with this will bring about another referendum not Westminster or holyrood." Barnett needs reform. I agree you need a mechanism to distribute funding on the basis of greatest need (factors e.g. deprivation, demographics, georgraphy) but the current setup doesn't effectively do so at the moment; as evidenced by the smaller, more rural and more deprived Wales receiving far less per capita than Scotland. It was brought in because it was politically expedient at a point in time, and carried on ever since. | |||
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"I wouldn't vote to kick Scotland out but I would be interested in an argument for English devolution. " The North of England should have it's own devolution. | |||
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"Scotts only want to stay in the eu because it's another cash cow for them just like staying in the union. Fact is Scotland to no way maintain its current standard of living without being part of the UK or Europe,the whole country depends on handouts." BULLSHIT | |||
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"Interested to see what people feel. Scottish - would you vote yourself out of UK if given a second chance ? English - if the vote was flipped and we had the choice of kicking Scotland out of UK what would you vote ? I think the Scottish want to leave but I also think the English would be happy for it to happen ? There was a referendum in September. The Scots voted to stay. What has changed in the last few months to make you think they have changed their minds? What has changed is the Labour wipeout in Scotland - the SNP have always WANTED independence - they now basically have a mandate to 'go for it' - and in my opinion it is inevitable. I won't shed any tears - sick of hearing about the scots wanting to hold the rest of us to ransom. Let them sink or swim on their own"
also sick of them / this issue.. If they wanted to stay in , as originally voted for in Sept,then voting SNP is duplicious in my mind..
TBH we need a strong uk to have any relevance in the world..Especialy if considering leaving the EU...
If they want to leave the uk,let them;
Sort their own money out
Get the boot from NATO
Get the boot from the UN
Sort out their own taxes
sort their own National Healthcare
system.
Sort their own NI,Pensions,and
BORDER SECURITY
Re apply to join the European Union( as an irrelevant tidler state like Lithuania?)
Make their own EU contributions..
ETC ETC ETC
They will need a lot more than ( a deplenishing) North Sea oil to fund themselves...
oh, and a rebate to all the oil companies who have built the oil industry infrastracture that they will have to use..
I would rather a STRONG UK but if they wanNA take take take and whine about it and change their minds as it suites,lets see how they fare flying solo..
The break up of the UK will be a disaster for everyone... | |||
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"This thread is becoming anti scottish/English. I did vote for independance as I believe we could sustain ourselves. However that vote was no so there is no going back there. We do get free prescription and education but that is not paid by anyone other than us, the Barnet formulae states the amount of money the Scottish government get which is less that what Westminster receives from the Scottish taxes. The Scottish government decides how to spend this and they want us to have free education and prescriptions, I also think England would like this too. What ever happens in the future scotland and England will always be linked and that will never change, the more people that have an issue with this will bring about another referendum not Westminster or holyrood." It seems to me that justifiably the normal person in Scotland is a bit torn by the choices and ramifications of their choices but to plenty of English people they couldn't care less if Scotland stays or goes . It's not in or out that needs to be decided it's how to bring the two countries closer together that needs to be a priority . | |||
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"Interested to see what people feel. Scottish - would you vote yourself out of UK if given a second chance ? English - if the vote was flipped and we had the choice of kicking Scotland out of UK what would you vote ? I think the Scottish want to leave but I also think the English would be happy for it to happen ? There was a referendum in September. The Scots voted to stay. What has changed in the last few months to make you think they have changed their minds? What has changed is the Labour wipeout in Scotland - the SNP have always WANTED independence - they now basically have a mandate to 'go for it' - and in my opinion it is inevitable. I won't shed any tears - sick of hearing about the scots wanting to hold the rest of us to ransom. Let them sink or swim on their own
also sick of them / this issue.. If they wanted to stay in , as originally voted for in Sept,then voting SNP is duplicious in my mind..
TBH we need a strong uk to have any relevance in the world..Especialy if considering leaving the EU...
If they want to leave the uk,let them;
Sort their own money out
Get the boot from NATO
Get the boot from the UN
Sort out their own taxes
sort their own National Healthcare
system.
Sort their own NI,Pensions,and
BORDER SECURITY
Re apply to join the European Union( as an irrelevant tidler state like Lithuania?)
Make their own EU contributions..
ETC ETC ETC
They will need a lot more than ( a deplenishing) North Sea oil to fund themselves...
oh, and a rebate to all the oil companies who have built the oil industry infrastracture that they will have to use..
I would rather a STRONG UK but if they wanNA take take take and whine about it and change their minds as it suites,lets see how they fare flying solo..
The break up of the UK will be a disaster for everyone..."NO ,even the uk government agreed Scotland would survive quite happily | |||
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"Im standing on Hadrians wall with a rather large machine gun. "don't be so harsh shooting the English | |||
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"Im standing on Hadrians wall with a rather large machine gun. "They'll know you're English without the St George's flag then. | |||
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"Im standing on Hadrians wall with a rather large machine gun.
They'll know you're English without the St George's flag then. "Wrong ....no one will know until I shoot them of course | |||
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"Interested to see what people feel. Scottish - would you vote yourself out of UK if given a second chance ? English - if the vote was flipped and we had the choice of kicking Scotland out of UK what would you vote ? I think the Scottish want to leave but I also think the English would be happy for it to happen ? There was a referendum in September. The Scots voted to stay. What has changed in the last few months to make you think they have changed their minds? What has changed is the Labour wipeout in Scotland - the SNP have always WANTED independence - they now basically have a mandate to 'go for it' - and in my opinion it is inevitable. I won't shed any tears - sick of hearing about the scots wanting to hold the rest of us to ransom. Let them sink or swim on their own
also sick of them / this issue.. If they wanted to stay in , as originally voted for in Sept,then voting SNP is duplicious in my mind..
TBH we need a strong uk to have any relevance in the world..Especialy if considering leaving the EU...
If they want to leave the uk,let them;
Sort their own money out
Get the boot from NATO
Get the boot from the UN
Sort out their own taxes
sort their own National Healthcare
system.
Sort their own NI,Pensions,and
BORDER SECURITY
Re apply to join the European Union( as an irrelevant tidler state like Lithuania?)
Make their own EU contributions..
ETC ETC ETC
They will need a lot more than ( a deplenishing) North Sea oil to fund themselves...
oh, and a rebate to all the oil companies who have built the oil industry infrastracture that they will have to use..
I would rather a STRONG UK but if they wanNA take take take and whine about it and change their minds as it suites,lets see how they fare flying solo..
The break up of the UK will be a disaster for everyone...
NO ,even the uk government agreed Scotland would survive quite happily"The UK government may have said scotland would.. I dont think its that simplistic . | |||
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"I think the SNP will put the vote for independence forward again.....they only need to convince 400,000 people and they'll get it." I can't see a Tory UK government being willing to offer the required temporary transfer of the power to hold a another referendum to the Scottish government. | |||
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"I think the SNP will put the vote for independence forward again.....they only need to convince 400,000 people and they'll get it." I certainly don't want to go through that again! It has torn apart some families up here, which I don't think will be over come so easily, so to try again to soon, I HOPE they bloody don't! | |||
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"I think the SNP will put the vote for independence forward again.....they only need to convince 400,000 people and they'll get it." and I think the 400'000 people will want to get the fuck out of here ater the tory government has run amok for a few years with the lib dem shackles now gone..the writing is now on the wall for this country and its all gonna be bad.. | |||
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"Interested to see what people feel. Scottish - would you vote yourself out of UK if given a second chance ? English - if the vote was flipped and we had the choice of kicking Scotland out of UK what would you vote ? I think the Scottish want to leave but I also think the English would be happy for it to happen ? There was a referendum in September. The Scots voted to stay. What has changed in the last few months to make you think they have changed their minds? What has changed is the Labour wipeout in Scotland - the SNP have always WANTED independence - they now basically have a mandate to 'go for it' - and in my opinion it is inevitable. I won't shed any tears - sick of hearing about the scots wanting to hold the rest of us to ransom. Let them sink or swim on their own
also sick of them / this issue.. If they wanted to stay in , as originally voted for in Sept,then voting SNP is duplicious in my mind..
TBH we need a strong uk to have any relevance in the world..Especialy if considering leaving the EU...
If they want to leave the uk,let them;
Sort their own money out
Get the boot from NATO
Get the boot from the UN
Sort out their own taxes
sort their own National Healthcare
system.
Sort their own NI,Pensions,and
BORDER SECURITY
Re apply to join the European Union( as an irrelevant tidler state like Lithuania?)
Make their own EU contributions..
ETC ETC ETC
They will need a lot more than ( a deplenishing) North Sea oil to fund themselves...
oh, and a rebate to all the oil companies who have built the oil industry infrastracture that they will have to use..
I would rather a STRONG UK but if they wanNA take take take and whine about it and change their minds as it suites,lets see how they fare flying solo..
The break up of the UK will be a disaster for everyone...
NO ,even the uk government agreed Scotland would survive quite happily"North Sea oil is not "deplenishing". In fact more fields have been discovered in the North Sea. Cost of extraction has increased along with low ppb. This is cyclical and has happened before. | |||
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"57 seats for the SNP, I think there are a few Scots that would vote differently now. I put the 'flip' vote theory to a Scottish friend of mine the other day. Actually, they won 56 seats and as Nicola Sturgeon has said time and time again (ad nauseum) is that the General Election was NOT a re-run of the independence referendum. Scotland voted to remain part of the UK in September. That was less than 9 months ago. Now consider that some parties didn't feel that we should have a say in membership of Europe, despite the issue not having been put to the people in the last 40 years, why would it be acceptable to ask the question of membership of the United Kingdom within only a few years of the last referendum? Fortunately, we WILL be given the chance to make a decision on Europe And what happens if England votes to leave Europe and Scotland wants to stay???? personally I don't think anyone with half a brain would vote to leave Europe,,mind you plenty in England did vote ukip" There are many good reasons for leaving the EU, and yes many people in England did vote UKIP, quite a few people voted UKIP in Scotland aswel when you tally the votes up. Scotland have a UKIP MEP from the last european elections don't they? | |||
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"I think the SNP will put the vote for independence forward again.....they only need to convince 400,000 people and they'll get it. and I think the 400'000 people will want to get the fuck out of here ater the tory government has run amok for a few years with the lib dem shackles now gone..the writing is now on the wall for this country and its all gonna be bad.. "I truly don't get it .... How is it all gonna be bad ? Why do so many people demonise success ? In very simplistic terms , the Tories reward success , be it personal or business . Consistently throughout my lifetime the Tories have pulled the economy out of the dire straits labour always put it in . The richer taxpayers stay in the UK when the Tories are in power , thus funding so much welfare for those less fortunate or able . What are the reasons behind the hatred by so many for the Tories ?  | |||
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"I think the SNP will put the vote for independence forward again.....they only need to convince 400,000 people and they'll get it. and I think the 400'000 people will want to get the fuck out of here ater the tory government has run amok for a few years with the lib dem shackles now gone..the writing is now on the wall for this country and its all gonna be bad..
I truly don't get it ....
How is it all gonna be bad ?
Why do so many people demonise success ?
In very simplistic terms , the Tories reward success , be it personal or business .
Consistently throughout my lifetime the Tories have pulled the economy out of the dire straits labour always put it in .
The richer taxpayers stay in the UK when the Tories are in power , thus funding so much welfare for those less fortunate or able .
What are the reasons behind the hatred by so many for the Tories ?
"Simply the keep the rich , rich and the poor , poor and they have said cuts are coming so where is the cuts coming from its not gonna be from the rich. The Tories and Labour are as bad as each other foodbanks , Atos , bedroom tax. | |||
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"Whisky. Beef. Chemicals. Business services. Renewable energy. The list goes on. Scotland exports more than oil and gas." 70% of the scottish economy is made up of exports to the rest of the UK. Why make your biggest market a competitor? As for renewable energy - that's supported via a UK wide levy on customers. Knowledge economy - Scottish institutions gain 15% of uk grants awarded. When asked how these would be supported in an independent Scotland the reply was normally - there will be a common {insert commodity} area. If there is to be common support areas within the UK, what was the point in separation? The financial and economic case for independence smacked of the Denis Nordens - it will be all right on the night. And as for the snp being a "progressive" party what a load of smoke n mirrors. Single state police force Named person's act NHS database used for tax purposes Attempts to repeal corroboration The restriction of free speech to party MP's and MSPs. Toe the party line or else - voted in behind closed doors at the recent party conference. "Progressive?" Aye right! | |||
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"Can someone remind me, is it 25 years before the independence referendum can be held again? " A generation ..... or a lifetime was the promise. | |||
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"Can someone remind me, is it 25 years before the independence referendum can be held again? A generation ..... or a lifetime was the promise." As long as it's a long way off. The behaviour of some people during the run up disgusted me | |||
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"I think the SNP will put the vote for independence forward again.....they only need to convince 400,000 people and they'll get it. and I think the 400'000 people will want to get the fuck out of here ater the tory government has run amok for a few years with the lib dem shackles now gone..the writing is now on the wall for this country and its all gonna be bad..
I truly don't get it ....
How is it all gonna be bad ?
Why do so many people demonise success ?
In very simplistic terms , the Tories reward success , be it personal or business .
Consistently throughout my lifetime the Tories have pulled the economy out of the dire straits labour always put it in .
The richer taxpayers stay in the UK when the Tories are in power , thus funding so much welfare for those less fortunate or able .
What are the reasons behind the hatred by so many for the Tories ?
Simply the keep the rich , rich and the poor , poor and they have said cuts are coming so where is the cuts coming from its not gonna be from the rich. The Tories and Labour are as bad as each other foodbanks , Atos , bedroom tax."There are rich people and there are poor people. However, there are a lot of people who are neither poor, nor rich and who ambition and aspiration to do better for themselves and their family. Who is championing the cause of these people in Scotland then? | |||
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"Can someone remind me, is it 25 years before the independence referendum can be held again? A generation ..... or a lifetime was the promise." But you know what is coming. At the first opportunity, the SNP will announce that the democratic wishes of the Sottish electorate are being ignored in Westminster. This despite the fish woman assuring us all that the election was not about independence. Let's not beat about the bush Devo max heavy or full independence is coming, it is just a matter of time. | |||
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"Can someone remind me, is it 25 years before the independence referendum can be held again? A generation ..... or a lifetime was the promise. As long as it's a long way off. The behaviour of some people during the run up disgusted me" Dictionary states 30 years for a generation. And I agree about some of the behaviour. It brought out some of the worst of people on both sides. It's left bitterness and division in its wake that will probably take a generation to heal. | |||
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"Can someone remind me, is it 25 years before the independence referendum can be held again? A generation ..... or a lifetime was the promise. As long as it's a long way off. The behaviour of some people during the run up disgusted me Dictionary states 30 years for a generation. And I agree about some of the behaviour. It brought out some of the worst of people on both sides. It's left bitterness and division in its wake that will probably take a generation to heal. " My English friend, who has lived in Scotland for the past 12 years, was repeatedly told that the referendum was none of her business | |||
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"Can someone remind me, is it 25 years before the independence referendum can be held again? A generation ..... or a lifetime was the promise. As long as it's a long way off. The behaviour of some people during the run up disgusted me Dictionary states 30 years for a generation. And I agree about some of the behaviour. It brought out some of the worst of people on both sides. It's left bitterness and division in its wake that will probably take a generation to heal. My English friend, who has lived in Scotland for the past 12 years, was repeatedly told that the referendum was none of her business "English Nationalists who blame Europe (amongst others) for imaginary ills are no different to Scottish Nationalists who perceive imaginary ills from Mrs Thatcher and more recently the Labour traitors. Both are negative motivations and paint a vision of a very greener lawn on the other side of the fence. Scotland has every right to be an independent country but I would hope that their political leaders would be honest with them about the fiscal implications of such a move. Scotland has a similar population as Norway and would require taxation level similar to Norway to provide a median European quality of life. My personal opinion is that David Cameron will play the SNP at their own game and acknowledge their mandate of an anti austerity mandate and give them considerable fiscal independence to effect this policy in Scotland. | |||
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"If I was Scottish in Scotland , I would definitely vote SNP without question. However I am neither . I am desperate that Scotland stays in the Union for socialist reasons . Otherwise the English working (especially so) & middle classes will be shafted well and truly forever more by the Tories. "It's going to happen, thanks to the snp. As someone said else where the snp were a fruitful source of sound bites for the tory party. From Eck s "I'll write the labour governments budget" to Nics "If you want a labour government to have a back bone and guts, you have to vote snp" were manna for the tory party. They took a leaf from the snp play book and painted the snp as the big bogey man, just as the snp do for the tories. Guess what. . It worked. Ol condom head dave will push through FFA and EVEL. FFA will leave a £7+ billion black hole in the Scottish budget. EVEL will stop scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish MP's voting on purely english matters. So unless labour can get its shit together,in the next 5 years it looks like we're all fucked. | |||
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"There will be another referendum if England votes to leave the EU and Scotland votes to stay in. I can be sure that with the way things are at the minute, a majority in Scotland would vote to leave. " None of the main party leaders in the UK want an EU exit. The referendum will happen but we will still be in Europe after it because the main party leaders will make sure that the pro EU message is very well sold. Farage and the conservative rebels will make a fuss and jump up and down with indignation about J_nny Foreigner but common sense will prevail and, in my opinion, by greater margin than in the Scottish referendum. I guess 66% to stay in the EU. | |||
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"The "Amount" of Scots Who Voted SNP - Gifted the Tories another Term.. "No, Scotland could have returned 59 labour MP's and it would have meant fuck all. The fear of Salmond and sturgeon running a weak labour government and by extention, England, did more to increase the tory vote than scotland voting snp. UKIP also tore large parts of labour's vote in 3 way marginal constituencies and the collapse of the lib dem vote in South West pushed the conservatives to a majority. | |||
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"There will be another referendum if England votes to leave the EU and Scotland votes to stay in. I can be sure that with the way things are at the minute, a majority in Scotland would vote to leave. None of the main party leaders in the UK want an EU exit. The referendum will happen but we will still be in Europe after it because the main party leaders will make sure that the pro EU message is very well sold. " The right wing press will distort the message - they want us out! Those most motivated to vote in an EU referendum will be those who want out of it. I think staying in is very uncertain. | |||
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"The "Amount" of Scots Who Voted SNP - Gifted the Tories another Term..
No, Scotland could have returned 59 labour MP's and it would have meant fuck all.
The fear of Salmond and sturgeon running a weak labour government and by extention, England, did more to increase the tory vote than scotland voting snp.
UKIP also tore large parts of labour's vote in 3 way marginal constituencies and the collapse of the lib dem vote in South West pushed the conservatives to a majority. "But the Fact is.. the Damage To Labour Helped the Tories Win - no
So we have another 5 years of Cameroon and his cronies..
I/we wanted to Vote SNP.. But you cant do that in England !! | |||
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"The "Amount" of Scots Who Voted SNP - Gifted the Tories another Term..
No, Scotland could have returned 59 labour MP's and it would have meant fuck all.
The fear of Salmond and sturgeon running a weak labour government and by extention, England, did more to increase the tory vote than scotland voting snp.
UKIP also tore large parts of labour's vote in 3 way marginal constituencies and the collapse of the lib dem vote in South West pushed the conservatives to a majority.
But the Fact is.. the Damage To Labour Helped the Tories Win - no
So we have another 5 years of Cameroon and his cronies..
I/we wanted to Vote SNP.. But you cant do that in England !! "There were many factors to the Tory win - the SNP seats in Scotland was minor to that. The collapse of the Lib Dem vote in England was instrumental in the Tory win but by no means the only reason. | |||
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"The "Amount" of Scots Who Voted SNP - Gifted the Tories another Term..
No, Scotland could have returned 59 labour MP's and it would have meant fuck all.
The fear of Salmond and sturgeon running a weak labour government and by extention, England, did more to increase the tory vote than scotland voting snp.
UKIP also tore large parts of labour's vote in 3 way marginal constituencies and the collapse of the lib dem vote in South West pushed the conservatives to a majority.
But the Fact is.. the Damage To Labour Helped the Tories Win - no
So we have another 5 years of Cameroon and his cronies..
I/we wanted to Vote SNP.. But you cant do that in England !! "Look on the bright side. After five years the deficit will have disappeared and the economy will be in surplus. You will be able to genuinely sleep easier knowing that you (along with us all) have fine your but to put the country back in a position where the economy has started to pay back its debt. | |||
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"A large number of folks that voted No didn't make up their minds until days before the Referendum when Gordon Brown threw the Devo Max subject onto the table. 2 days later and the 3 main party leaders withdrew his offer and angered majority of the populace as once again Westminster lied. Hence total whitewash in Scottish Politics...Scotland sick and tired of Tory leadership and Labour now just an extension of Tory mindset. Time we stood on our own feet." . Does that mean Scotland would be financially independent and refuse to accept any financial support from the UK. If this was the case , what would the standard of living be like in an independent Scotland . I assume that the majority voted against independence last time because they realised the disastrous consequences independence would have on the Scottish economy and jobs . Would you really want large employers leaving Scotland and creating further unemployment ? | |||
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"The "Amount" of Scots Who Voted SNP - Gifted the Tories another Term..
No, Scotland could have returned 59 labour MP's and it would have meant fuck all.
The fear of Salmond and sturgeon running a weak labour government and by extention, England, did more to increase the tory vote than scotland voting snp.
UKIP also tore large parts of labour's vote in 3 way marginal constituencies and the collapse of the lib dem vote in South West pushed the conservatives to a majority.
But the Fact is.. the Damage To Labour Helped the Tories Win - no
So we have another 5 years of Cameroon and his cronies..
I/we wanted to Vote SNP.. But you cant do that in England !!
Look on the bright side. After five years the deficit will have disappeared and the economy will be in surplus. You will be able to genuinely sleep easier knowing that you (along with us all) have fine your but to put the country back in a position where the economy has started to pay back its debt."Bollocks. | |||
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"The "Amount" of Scots Who Voted SNP - Gifted the Tories another Term..
No, Scotland could have returned 59 labour MP's and it would have meant fuck all.
The fear of Salmond and sturgeon running a weak labour government and by extention, England, did more to increase the tory vote than scotland voting snp.
UKIP also tore large parts of labour's vote in 3 way marginal constituencies and the collapse of the lib dem vote in South West pushed the conservatives to a majority.
But the Fact is.. the Damage To Labour Helped the Tories Win - no
So we have another 5 years of Cameroon and his cronies..
I/we wanted to Vote SNP.. But you cant do that in England !!
Look on the bright side. After five years the deficit will have disappeared and the economy will be in surplus. You will be able to genuinely sleep easier knowing that you (along with us all) have fine your but to put the country back in a position where the economy has started to pay back its debt."Is that the debt that is doubling with each term of the Tories while suffering austerity. | |||
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"A large number of folks that voted No didn't make up their minds until days before the Referendum when Gordon Brown threw the Devo Max subject onto the table. 2 days later and the 3 main party leaders withdrew his offer and angered majority of the populace as once again Westminster lied. Hence total whitewash in Scottish Politics...Scotland sick and tired of Tory leadership and Labour now just an extension of Tory mindset. Time we stood on our own feet.. Does that mean Scotland would be financially independent and refuse to accept any financial support from the UK. If this was the case , what would the standard of living be like in an independent Scotland . I assume that the majority voted against independence last time because they realised the disastrous consequences independence would have on the Scottish economy and jobs . Would you really want large employers leaving Scotland and creating further unemployment ?" Scottish government figures - official http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2015/03/1422 Contents View as HTMLAssociated downloadable documents Contact Mairi Spowage Government Expenditure & Revenue Scotland 2013-14 Government Expenditure & Revenue Scotland 2013-14 Wednesday, March 11, 2015 ISBN: 9781785441820 Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS) is a National Statistics publication. It estimates the contribution of revenue raised in Scotland toward the goods and services provided for the benefit of Scotland. The estimates in this publication are consistent with the UK Public Sector Finances published in January 2015. Executive Summary Total Public Sector Revenue 2013-14: Scottish onshore revenue was estimated as £50.0 billion (8.1 per cent of UK onshore revenue). This represents £9,400 per person, £300 less than the UK average; Including a population share of North Sea revenue, the estimate is £50.4 billion (8.1 per cent of UK). This represents £9,400 per person, £300 less than the UK average. Including an illustrative geographic share of North Sea revenue, total public sector revenue is estimated at £54.0 billion (8.6 per cent of UK public sector revenue). This represents £10,100 per person, £400 more than the UK average. Total Public Sector Expenditure 2013-14 Total expenditure for the benefit of Scotland by the Scottish Government, UK Government, and all other parts of the public sector was £66.4 billion. This is equivalent to 9.2 per cent of total UK public sector expenditure, and £12,500 per head. Current Budget Balance 2013-14 This is the difference between current revenue and current expenditure (i.e. excluding capital investment). The current budget balance: Excluding North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £13.8 billion (10.3 per cent of GDP). Including a population share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £13.4 billion (9.8 per cent of GDP). Including an illustrative geographic share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £9.8 billion (6.4 per cent of GDP). For the UK, was a deficit of £71.5 billion (4.1 per cent of GDP) Net Fiscal Balance 2013-14 This is the difference between current revenue and total public sector expenditure including capital investment. The net fiscal balance: Excluding North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £16.4 billion (12.2 per cent of GDP). Including a population share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £16.0 billion (11.7 per cent of GDP). Including an illustrative geographic share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £12.4 billion (8.1 per cent of GDP). For the UK, was a deficit of 97.3 billion (5.6 per cent of GDP) | |||
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"S - At this point we are part of UK i voted SNP as i want them to have a voice down in westminster i will be happy to remain part of the UK if we get devo max /home rule if Cameron gives us this vow and its not enough then yeah i will be again be happy for another Scottish referendum or if this EU referendum we vote to come out then again i would want a Scottish referendum its not about hating England its about westminster treating us with respect and listening to the scottish people. They wanting us in UK so now that there is 56 SNP MP's down there they have to be heard and respected." | |||
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"A large number of folks that voted No didn't make up their minds until days before the Referendum when Gordon Brown threw the Devo Max subject onto the table. 2 days later and the 3 main party leaders withdrew his offer and angered majority of the populace as once again Westminster lied. Hence total whitewash in Scottish Politics...Scotland sick and tired of Tory leadership and Labour now just an extension of Tory mindset. Time we stood on our own feet.. Does that mean Scotland would be financially independent and refuse to accept any financial support from the UK. If this was the case , what would the standard of living be like in an independent Scotland . I assume that the majority voted against independence last time because they realised the disastrous consequences independence would have on the Scottish economy and jobs . Would you really want large employers leaving Scotland and creating further unemployment ? Scottish government figures - official http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2015/03/1422 Contents View as HTMLAssociated downloadable documents Contact Mairi Spowage Government Expenditure & Revenue Scotland 2013-14 Government Expenditure & Revenue Scotland 2013-14 Wednesday, March 11, 2015 ISBN: 9781785441820 Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS) is a National Statistics publication. It estimates the contribution of revenue raised in Scotland toward the goods and services provided for the benefit of Scotland. The estimates in this publication are consistent with the UK Public Sector Finances published in January 2015. Executive Summary Total Public Sector Revenue 2013-14: Scottish onshore revenue was estimated as £50.0 billion (8.1 per cent of UK onshore revenue). This represents £9,400 per person, £300 less than the UK average; Including a population share of North Sea revenue, the estimate is £50.4 billion (8.1 per cent of UK). This represents £9,400 per person, £300 less than the UK average. Including an illustrative geographic share of North Sea revenue, total public sector revenue is estimated at £54.0 billion (8.6 per cent of UK public sector revenue). This represents £10,100 per person, £400 more than the UK average. Total Public Sector Expenditure 2013-14 Total expenditure for the benefit of Scotland by the Scottish Government, UK Government, and all other parts of the public sector was £66.4 billion. This is equivalent to 9.2 per cent of total UK public sector expenditure, and £12,500 per head. Current Budget Balance 2013-14 This is the difference between current revenue and current expenditure (i.e. excluding capital investment). The current budget balance: Excluding North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £13.8 billion (10.3 per cent of GDP). Including a population share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £13.4 billion (9.8 per cent of GDP). Including an illustrative geographic share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £9.8 billion (6.4 per cent of GDP). For the UK, was a deficit of £71.5 billion (4.1 per cent of GDP) Net Fiscal Balance 2013-14 This is the difference between current revenue and total public sector expenditure including capital investment. The net fiscal balance: Excluding North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £16.4 billion (12.2 per cent of GDP). Including a population share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £16.0 billion (11.7 per cent of GDP). Including an illustrative geographic share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £12.4 billion (8.1 per cent of GDP). For the UK, was a deficit of 97.3 billion (5.6 per cent of GDP) " And???? What you trying to prove | |||
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"S - At this point we are part of UK i voted SNP as i want them to have a voice down in westminster i will be happy to remain part of the UK if we get devo max /home rule if Cameron gives us this vow and its not enough then yeah i will be again be happy for another Scottish referendum or if this EU referendum we vote to come out then again i would want a Scottish referendum its not about hating England its about westminster treating us with respect and listening to the scottish people. They wanting us in UK so now that there is 56 SNP MP's down there they have to be heard and respected." Well said it's got absolutely nothing to do with Scotland v England !!! Small minds will think like that sooo sad | |||
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"I wouldn't vote to 'kick' Scotland out. If a majority of Scots voted to leave, obviously of the UK would have to respect that, but they didn't. But, the Scots do not get to pick and choose the good bits of being part of the UK while slagging it off at every available opportunity, same as the anti-Scottish rhetoric from some English politicians needs to pack it in as well. Unfortunately it's the ignorant and the bigoted who always shout the loudest (on both sides) and exercise undue influence. There should and will be devolution of extra powers to Scotland, but this has to be matched by powers for English regions too, or they will be unfairly disadvantaged. As a small example, the Scots want control to vary (reduce) rates of Air Passenger Duty. If they were to do so, that would have a huge negative impact on northern airports and the surrounding regional economies, so they would have to be given the same ability to vary the rate of duty. Well at present I used to fly from Newcastle often ad it was around £600 cheaper to fly from Newcastle than from Edinburgh And wad cheaper to fly from London or Mabchester to US even when those planes would fly up to glasgow area before then heading out over the Atlantic So wr know all about heing treated unfairly whete sir travel involved" . Surely air fares are set by the airlines and have nothing to do with the government . | |||
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"The "Amount" of Scots Who Voted SNP - Gifted the Tories another Term.. "How do you work that out ? Do the math Even if the all Scotland voted Labour we would still have a Tory government. | |||
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"A large number of folks that voted No didn't make up their minds until days before the Referendum when Gordon Brown threw the Devo Max subject onto the table. 2 days later and the 3 main party leaders withdrew his offer and angered majority of the populace as once again Westminster lied. Hence total whitewash in Scottish Politics...Scotland sick and tired of Tory leadership and Labour now just an extension of Tory mindset. Time we stood on our own feet." Agree, goodbye ! | |||
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"A large number of folks that voted No didn't make up their minds until days before the Referendum when Gordon Brown threw the Devo Max subject onto the table. 2 days later and the 3 main party leaders withdrew his offer and angered majority of the populace as once again Westminster lied. Hence total whitewash in Scottish Politics...Scotland sick and tired of Tory leadership and Labour now just an extension of Tory mindset. Time we stood on our own feet.. Does that mean Scotland would be financially independent and refuse to accept any financial support from the UK. If this was the case , what would the standard of living be like in an independent Scotland . I assume that the majority voted against independence last time because they realised the disastrous consequences independence would have on the Scottish economy and jobs . Would you really want large employers leaving Scotland and creating further unemployment ? Scottish government figures - official http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2015/03/1422 Contents View as HTMLAssociated downloadable documents Contact Mairi Spowage Government Expenditure & Revenue Scotland 2013-14 Government Expenditure & Revenue Scotland 2013-14 Wednesday, March 11, 2015 ISBN: 9781785441820 Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS) is a National Statistics publication. It estimates the contribution of revenue raised in Scotland toward the goods and services provided for the benefit of Scotland. The estimates in this publication are consistent with the UK Public Sector Finances published in January 2015. Executive Summary Total Public Sector Revenue 2013-14: Scottish onshore revenue was estimated as £50.0 billion (8.1 per cent of UK onshore revenue). This represents £9,400 per person, £300 less than the UK average; Including a population share of North Sea revenue, the estimate is £50.4 billion (8.1 per cent of UK). This represents £9,400 per person, £300 less than the UK average. Including an illustrative geographic share of North Sea revenue, total public sector revenue is estimated at £54.0 billion (8.6 per cent of UK public sector revenue). This represents £10,100 per person, £400 more than the UK average. Total Public Sector Expenditure 2013-14 Total expenditure for the benefit of Scotland by the Scottish Government, UK Government, and all other parts of the public sector was £66.4 billion. This is equivalent to 9.2 per cent of total UK public sector expenditure, and £12,500 per head. Current Budget Balance 2013-14 This is the difference between current revenue and current expenditure (i.e. excluding capital investment). The current budget balance: Excluding North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £13.8 billion (10.3 per cent of GDP). Including a population share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £13.4 billion (9.8 per cent of GDP). Including an illustrative geographic share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £9.8 billion (6.4 per cent of GDP). For the UK, was a deficit of £71.5 billion (4.1 per cent of GDP) Net Fiscal Balance 2013-14 This is the difference between current revenue and total public sector expenditure including capital investment. The net fiscal balance: Excluding North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £16.4 billion (12.2 per cent of GDP). Including a population share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £16.0 billion (11.7 per cent of GDP). Including an illustrative geographic share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £12.4 billion (8.1 per cent of GDP). For the UK, was a deficit of 97.3 billion (5.6 per cent of GDP) And???? What you trying to prove" That Scotland will be fucked when they leave the UK and the sooner they do it realise it for themselves the better for all of us ! | |||
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"Scotland currently runs a larger deficit than the uk. This us covered via the Barnett formula. When FFA comes in or we become independent , the Scottish government will either have to reduce services or raise taxes. The current scottish encumbents are loath to answer the question. It doesn't fit their narrative. Scandinavian public services on a low taxation base. " It ran a larger deficit for a few years recently, for most years it ran a significantly smaller deficit. Don't just pick the years that suit your argument. When Scotland can control corporation tax it can start to attract more business into Scotland and get things moving. Going low tax on certain types of business, in the way of Republic of Ireland and the Netherlands seems to be the way to go in the beginning. | |||
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" When Scotland can control corporation tax it can start to attract more business into Scotland and get things moving. Going low tax on certain types of business, in the way of Republic of Ireland and the Netherlands seems to be the way to go in the beginning. " Cutting tax on large corporations? Is that really Socialist policy now? Sounds more like something George Osborne or Maggie would say...
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"Whisky. Beef. Chemicals. Business services. Renewable energy. The list goes on. Scotland exports more than oil and gas. 70% of the scottish economy is made up of exports to the rest of the UK. Why make your biggest market a competitor? As for renewable energy - that's supported via a UK wide levy on customers. Knowledge economy - Scottish institutions gain 15% of uk grants awarded. When asked how these would be supported in an independent Scotland the reply was normally - there will be a common {insert commodity} area. If there is to be common support areas within the UK, what was the point in separation? The financial and economic case for independence smacked of the Denis Nordens - it will be all right on the night. And as for the snp being a "progressive" party what a load of smoke n mirrors. Single state police force Named person's act NHS database used for tax purposes Attempts to repeal corroboration The restriction of free speech to party MP's and MSPs. Toe the party line or else - voted in behind closed doors at the recent party conference. "Progressive?" Aye right! " Actually our biggest proportion of exports go to the USA As for all the other stuff you spout .
SNP were voted in by droves of people. Are you really qualified to tell them they are wrong? I think not. Lol.
They were voted in because people are sick to the back teeth of being treated like muppets by successive London centric politicians.
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"Scotland currently runs a larger deficit than the uk. This us covered via the Barnett formula. When FFA comes in or we become independent , the Scottish government will either have to reduce services or raise taxes. The current scottish encumbents are loath to answer the question. It doesn't fit their narrative. Scandinavian public services on a low taxation base. It ran a larger deficit for a few years recently, for most years it ran a significantly smaller deficit. Don't just pick the years that suit your argument. When Scotland can control corporation tax it can start to attract more business into Scotland and get things moving. Going low tax on certain types of business, in the way of Republic of Ireland and the Netherlands seems to be the way to go in the beginning. " So what services get cut or taxes raised to pay for the low tax on the fat cats? Or are you planning to borrow yet more money to cover this? Please enlighten us. | |||
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"A large number of folks that voted No didn't make up their minds until days before the Referendum when Gordon Brown threw the Devo Max subject onto the table. 2 days later and the 3 main party leaders withdrew his offer and angered majority of the populace as once again Westminster lied. Hence total whitewash in Scottish Politics...Scotland sick and tired of Tory leadership and Labour now just an extension of Tory mindset. Time we stood on our own feet.. Does that mean Scotland would be financially independent and refuse to accept any financial support from the UK. If this was the case , what would the standard of living be like in an independent Scotland . I assume that the majority voted against independence last time because they realised the disastrous consequences independence would have on the Scottish economy and jobs . Would you really want large employers leaving Scotland and creating further unemployment ? Scottish government figures - official http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2015/03/1422 Contents View as HTMLAssociated downloadable documents Contact Mairi Spowage Government Expenditure & Revenue Scotland 2013-14 Government Expenditure & Revenue Scotland 2013-14 Wednesday, March 11, 2015 ISBN: 9781785441820 Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS) is a National Statistics publication. It estimates the contribution of revenue raised in Scotland toward the goods and services provided for the benefit of Scotland. The estimates in this publication are consistent with the UK Public Sector Finances published in January 2015. Executive Summary Total Public Sector Revenue 2013-14: Scottish onshore revenue was estimated as £50.0 billion (8.1 per cent of UK onshore revenue). This represents £9,400 per person, £300 less than the UK average; Including a population share of North Sea revenue, the estimate is £50.4 billion (8.1 per cent of UK). This represents £9,400 per person, £300 less than the UK average. Including an illustrative geographic share of North Sea revenue, total public sector revenue is estimated at £54.0 billion (8.6 per cent of UK public sector revenue). This represents £10,100 per person, £400 more than the UK average. Total Public Sector Expenditure 2013-14 Total expenditure for the benefit of Scotland by the Scottish Government, UK Government, and all other parts of the public sector was £66.4 billion. This is equivalent to 9.2 per cent of total UK public sector expenditure, and £12,500 per head. Current Budget Balance 2013-14 This is the difference between current revenue and current expenditure (i.e. excluding capital investment). The current budget balance: Excluding North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £13.8 billion (10.3 per cent of GDP). Including a population share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £13.4 billion (9.8 per cent of GDP). Including an illustrative geographic share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £9.8 billion (6.4 per cent of GDP). For the UK, was a deficit of £71.5 billion (4.1 per cent of GDP) Net Fiscal Balance 2013-14 This is the difference between current revenue and total public sector expenditure including capital investment. The net fiscal balance: Excluding North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £16.4 billion (12.2 per cent of GDP). Including a population share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £16.0 billion (11.7 per cent of GDP). Including an illustrative geographic share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £12.4 billion (8.1 per cent of GDP). For the UK, was a deficit of 97.3 billion (5.6 per cent of GDP) " Fuck me you clearly have a LOT of time on your hands. | |||
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"Interested to see what people feel. Scottish - would you vote yourself out of UK if given a second chance ? English - if the vote was flipped and we had the choice of kicking Scotland out of UK what would you vote ? I think the Scottish want to leave but I also think the English would be happy for it to happen ? There was a referendum in September. The Scots voted to stay. What has changed in the last few months to make you think they have changed their minds? What has changed is the Labour wipeout in Scotland - the SNP have always WANTED independence - they now basically have a mandate to 'go for it' - and in my opinion it is inevitable. I won't shed any tears - sick of hearing about the scots wanting to hold the rest of us to ransom. Let them sink or swim on their own" | |||
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"Can someone remind me, is it 25 years before the independence referendum can be held again? A generation ..... or a lifetime was the promise. As long as it's a long way off. The behaviour of some people during the run up disgusted me Dictionary states 30 years for a generation. And I agree about some of the behaviour. It brought out some of the worst of people on both sides. It's left bitterness and division in its wake that will probably take a generation to heal. My English friend, who has lived in Scotland for the past 12 years, was repeatedly told that the referendum was none of her business "I'm English and have been made very welcome up here. Live in rural Scotland and the city and travelled throughout. Never had a problem. In fact people were happy I took an interest. | |||
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"The Scottish yes/no referendum vote was done over the entire population, basically proportional representation, which worked out to 60% saying no. The election was was done on the old contituancy system with votes spread over 5 or 6 parties. Actually overall the SNP got around 35% of the total vote. That means 65% of us Scots did not want them. So much for the voting system." get over it. | |||
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"Actually our biggest proportion of exports go to the USA As for all the other stuff you spout .
"You can find a nice little graph showing the Scottish government estimates, 2012, of our exports here - https://fullfact.org/scotland/how_scottish_independence_would_affect_scotland-trade-34178 "There are no export accounts for Scotland like there are for the UK as a whole, but the Scottish government instead produces its own annual estimates based on a survey of Scottish businesses. While they’re the best statistics available, they should be treated with some caution. They don’t include the substantial amount of North Sea oil and gas exports, since they’re classified as exports from the UK as a whole. There’s also no legal requirement for companies to report or record their activities at a sub-UK level. According to the latest version of the report, a substantial number of respondents found it difficult to distinguish between Scottish and UK sales because of accounting practices – so they had to guess how much of their trade within the UK was outside of Scotland. The rest of the UK receives about 65% of Scottish ‘exports’ The survey found that 65% of Scottish exports ended up in the rest of the UK in 2012; the remaining 35% were international. Both are when oil and gas are excluded." It even includes a nice little picture, showing where the exports go to. The actual scottish government figures for 2013 can be found here http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/Exports/GCSIntroduction Exports to the rest of UK (from Scotland) in 2013 (excluding oil and gas) are provisionally estimated at £46.2 billion, an increase of £1.2 billion (2.7%) over the year. And to the US The USA is Scotland’s top international export destination country (as in the last 11 years) with an estimated £3.9 billion exports, an increase of £1 85 million (5%) since 2012. So based on the Scottish Governments own data Scotland 'exports' almost 12 times more 'goods and services' to the rest of the UK then it does to it's largest international market. | |||
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"There will be another referendum if England votes to leave the EU and Scotland votes to stay in. I can be sure that with the way things are at the minute, a majority in Scotland would vote to leave. None of the main party leaders in the UK want an EU exit. The referendum will happen but we will still be in Europe after it because the main party leaders will make sure that the pro EU message is very well sold. Farage and the conservative rebels will make a fuss and jump up and down with indignation about J_nny Foreigner but common sense will prevail and, in my opinion, by greater margin than in the Scottish referendum. I guess 66% to stay in the EU." There is only one main party leader left, lol. Also after the election UKIP are now the 3rd largest party in the UK in terms of share of the vote, and will be putting the case forward to leave. I don't think Cameron will get much joy from his "renegotiation" with the EU, and when the public see how unwilling and stubourn the EU are to compromise or reform themselves the public will rightly give them the finger in the referendum and we will leave. | |||
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"Actually our biggest proportion of exports go to the USA As for all the other stuff you spout .
You can find a nice little graph showing the Scottish government estimates, 2012, of our exports here -
https://fullfact.org/scotland/how_scottish_independence_would_affect_scotland-trade-34178
"There are no export accounts for Scotland like there are for the UK as a whole, but the Scottish government instead produces its own annual estimates based on a survey of Scottish businesses.
While they’re the best statistics available, they should be treated with some caution. They don’t include the substantial amount of North Sea oil and gas exports, since they’re classified as exports from the UK as a whole.
There’s also no legal requirement for companies to report or record their activities at a sub-UK level. According to the latest version of the report, a substantial number of respondents found it difficult to distinguish between Scottish and UK sales because of accounting practices – so they had to guess how much of their trade within the UK was outside of Scotland.
The rest of the UK receives about 65% of Scottish ‘exports’
The survey found that 65% of Scottish exports ended up in the rest of the UK in 2012; the remaining 35% were international. Both are when oil and gas are excluded."
It even includes a nice little picture, showing where the exports go to.
The actual scottish government figures for 2013 can be found here
http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/Exports/GCSIntroduction
Exports to the rest of UK (from Scotland) in 2013 (excluding oil and gas) are provisionally estimated at £46.2 billion, an increase of £1.2 billion (2.7%) over the year.
And to the US
The USA is Scotland’s top international export destination country (as in the last 11 years) with an estimated £3.9 billion exports, an increase of £1
85 million (5%) since 2012.
So based on the Scottish Governments own data Scotland 'exports' almost 12 times more 'goods and services' to the rest of the UK then it does to it's largest international market.
"Lol you're an absolute wiz at copy and paste. Sorry but I'd prefer to read facts. As I said Scotland voted for the SNP on Thursday for many reasons. Bleat all you like it's not going to change | |||
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"Whisky. Beef. Chemicals. Business services. Renewable energy. The list goes on. Scotland exports more than oil and gas." You also forgot shipbuilding, aeronautics, forestry and tourism. Scotland is a fantastic place to go on holiday and the people are really friendly and welcoming. And our butcher only sells Scottish beef because the quality is second to none. The truth is, if Scotland want to go it alone, they will do fine: there are plenty of smaller countries in the world who do so. Personally I hope they don't, but I don't see why I should have a say in it. Perhaps if we are so keen to maintain the union we would be a bit more gracious and friendly towards them. Fingers crossed we can come up with a devo-max solution we are all happy with. (And no, I'm not being paid in Highland Toffee to be supportive, though if anyone wants to send us some... ) | |||
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"Actually our biggest proportion of exports go to the USA As for all the other stuff you spout .
You can find a nice little graph showing the Scottish government estimates, 2012, of our exports here -
https://fullfact.org/scotland/how_scottish_independence_would_affect_scotland-trade-34178
"There are no export accounts for Scotland like there are for the UK as a whole, but the Scottish government instead produces its own annual estimates based on a survey of Scottish businesses.
While they’re the best statistics available, they should be treated with some caution. They don’t include the substantial amount of North Sea oil and gas exports, since they’re classified as exports from the UK as a whole.
There’s also no legal requirement for companies to report or record their activities at a sub-UK level. According to the latest version of the report, a substantial number of respondents found it difficult to distinguish between Scottish and UK sales because of accounting practices – so they had to guess how much of their trade within the UK was outside of Scotland.
The rest of the UK receives about 65% of Scottish ‘exports’
The survey found that 65% of Scottish exports ended up in the rest of the UK in 2012; the remaining 35% were international. Both are when oil and gas are excluded."
It even includes a nice little picture, showing where the exports go to.
The actual scottish government figures for 2013 can be found here
http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/Exports/GCSIntroduction
Exports to the rest of UK (from Scotland) in 2013 (excluding oil and gas) are provisionally estimated at £46.2 billion, an increase of £1.2 billion (2.7%) over the year.
And to the US
The USA is Scotland’s top international export destination country (as in the last 11 years) with an estimated £3.9 billion exports, an increase of £1
85 million (5%) since 2012.
So based on the Scottish Governments own data Scotland 'exports' almost 12 times more 'goods and services' to the rest of the UK then it does to it's largest international market.
Lol you're an absolute wiz at copy and paste. Sorry but I'd prefer to read facts. As I said Scotland voted for the SNP on Thursday for many reasons. Bleat all you like it's not going to change "You do realise these are 'facts' as produced by the current SNP government? As for bleating about the SNP government - I'm more worried that Scotland is sleepwalking into a single party authoritarian state - what next the Scottish National Identity CHip? implanted subcutaneously in your wrist. 'Just to make things safer and easier' | |||
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"Actually our biggest proportion of exports go to the USA As for all the other stuff you spout .
You can find a nice little graph showing the Scottish government estimates, 2012, of our exports here -
https://fullfact.org/scotland/how_scottish_independence_would_affect_scotland-trade-34178
"There are no export accounts for Scotland like there are for the UK as a whole, but the Scottish government instead produces its own annual estimates based on a survey of Scottish businesses.
While they’re the best statistics available, they should be treated with some caution. They don’t include the substantial amount of North Sea oil and gas exports, since they’re classified as exports from the UK as a whole.
There’s also no legal requirement for companies to report or record their activities at a sub-UK level. According to the latest version of the report, a substantial number of respondents found it difficult to distinguish between Scottish and UK sales because of accounting practices – so they had to guess how much of their trade within the UK was outside of Scotland.
The rest of the UK receives about 65% of Scottish ‘exports’
The survey found that 65% of Scottish exports ended up in the rest of the UK in 2012; the remaining 35% were international. Both are when oil and gas are excluded."
It even includes a nice little picture, showing where the exports go to.
The actual scottish government figures for 2013 can be found here
http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/Exports/GCSIntroduction
Exports to the rest of UK (from Scotland) in 2013 (excluding oil and gas) are provisionally estimated at £46.2 billion, an increase of £1.2 billion (2.7%) over the year.
And to the US
The USA is Scotland’s top international export destination country (as in the last 11 years) with an estimated £3.9 billion exports, an increase of £1
85 million (5%) since 2012.
So based on the Scottish Governments own data Scotland 'exports' almost 12 times more 'goods and services' to the rest of the UK then it does to it's largest international market.
Lol you're an absolute wiz at copy and paste. Sorry but I'd prefer to read facts. As I said Scotland voted for the SNP on Thursday for many reasons. Bleat all you like it's not going to change
You do realise these are 'facts' as produced by the current SNP government?
As for bleating about the SNP government - I'm more worried that Scotland is sleepwalking into a single party authoritarian state - what next the Scottish National Identity CHip? implanted subcutaneously in your wrist.
'Just to make things safer and easier'"Yes I'll keep reading Brave New World. You stick to your copy and paste | |||
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"Whisky. Beef. Chemicals. Business services. Renewable energy. The list goes on. Scotland exports more than oil and gas. You also forgot shipbuilding, aeronautics, forestry and tourism. Scotland is a fantastic place to go on holiday and the people are really friendly and welcoming. And our butcher only sells Scottish beef because the quality is second to none. The truth is, if Scotland want to go it alone, they will do fine: there are plenty of smaller countries in the world who do so. Personally I hope they don't, but I don't see why I should have a say in it. Perhaps if we are so keen to maintain the union we would be a bit more gracious and friendly towards them. Fingers crossed we can come up with a devo-max solution we are all happy with. (And no, I'm not being paid in Highland Toffee to be supportive, though if anyone wants to send us some... )"I did say "The list goes on"  | |||
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"Brave new world.. I prefer Fahrenheit 451 or The Man in the High Castle. You can snipe about the cut n paste, but those are the Scottish governments own figures or are you saying the scottish government lie? Then again it's easier to deflect and deny. " I've seen different data than you. Fact remains the SNP swept the board on Thursday. If you don't like it nothing stopping you from moving. I hear London is quite pro Labour. Or if not the home counties for a nice conservative lifestyle | |||
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"Brave new world.. I prefer Fahrenheit 451 or The Man in the High Castle. You can snipe about the cut n paste, but those are the Scottish governments own figures or are you saying the scottish government lie? Then again it's easier to deflect and deny. I've seen different data than you. Fact remains the SNP swept the board on Thursday. If you don't like it nothing stopping you from moving. I hear London is quite pro Labour. Or if not the home counties for a nice conservative lifestyle "Ah, so the Scottish government are liars and there's exports and secret oil fields that MI5 have hidden? And there we have the play the person card - if you don't like it you can leave. What next 'purging the ballot boxes?' | |||
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" North Sea oil is not "deplenishing". In fact more fields have been discovered in the North Sea. Cost of extraction has increased along with low ppb. This is cyclical and has happened before." So the extraction of North sea oil has decreased every single year since 1999 but according to you it isn't deplenishing? I'm assuming you don't understand what the word means? | |||
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"the only English point of _iew I,ll listen to is from the ones that live and work in Scotland. Funny thing is most of them vote snp 72.1% of English/Welsh/NI residents in the country voted No at the referendum. LOL,Where did you get that from,out of the sky? Edinburgh University study by Professor of Political Science. I'm assuming their sample size is rather larger than the one you used... There are plenty studies on the subject that vary wildly from the uk Europe and Canada, believe which ever suits you,but one things for sure the break up of the union is inevitable "Still no links? | |||
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" I've seen different data than you. Fact remains the SNP swept the board on Thursday. If you don't like it nothing stopping you from moving. I hear London is quite pro Labour. Or if not the home counties for a nice conservative lifestyle "Let's face it, you haven't seen different data. If you have then post it here......but I know you won't, because there is none. You're not even from here and yet you are trying to spread lies about our country. You should be ashamed of yourself. | |||
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"The Scottish yes/no referendum vote was done over the entire population, basically proportional representation, which worked out to 60% saying no. The election was was done on the old contituancy system with votes spread over 5 or 6 parties. Actually overall the SNP got around 35% of the total vote. That means 65% of us Scots did not want them. So much for the voting system." Exactly right - and Salmond has already declared the SNP's hand - talking about another referendum already. Powere crazy, dangerous people but if the scots think they are the answer - just give them their independence and let them get on with it - don't think it will affect the rest of the UK one jot | |||
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"Interested to see what people feel. Scottish - would you vote yourself out of UK if given a second chance ? English - if the vote was flipped and we had the choice of kicking Scotland out of UK what would you vote ? I think the Scottish want to leave but I also think the English would be happy for it to happen ? There was a referendum in September. The Scots voted to stay. What has changed in the last few months to make you think they have changed their minds? What has changed is the Labour wipeout in Scotland - the SNP have always WANTED independence - they now basically have a mandate to 'go for it' - and in my opinion it is inevitable. I won't shed any tears - sick of hearing about the scots wanting to hold the rest of us to ransom. Let them sink or swim on their own Ransom,,what ransom,,,utter crap yer talkin" Well said!...... What exactly is the 'random' nonsense you are referring to.... I'm pro Union btw | |||
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"The vote for snp at the GE had nothing to do with wanting to leave the union ...it was about who was best suited to serve scottish interests in westminster...labour has failed scotland in recent years ... DC has a very big opportunity to heal the divide somewhat if he has the passion and the balls to do it ...if he and rest of westminster treat snp mps and scotland with contempt over the next few months and years....the union WILL disintegrate rapidly from which there will be no going back " Nice one. Best comment I've read this far on the issue..... You get my vote ! | |||
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"The vote for snp at the GE had nothing to do with wanting to leave the union ...it was about who was best suited to serve scottish interests in westminster...labour has failed scotland in recent years ... DC has a very big opportunity to heal the divide somewhat if he has the passion and the balls to do it ...if he and rest of westminster treat snp mps and scotland with contempt over the next few months and years....the union WILL disintegrate rapidly from which there will be no going back Nice one. Best comment I've read this far on the issue..... You get my vote ! "I don't want an independent Scotland I think we are better together. We would be a small fish in a big pond on our own and industry would suffer. After the referendum share prices rose as the business world heaved a sigh of relief. Many organisations would have moved down South if Scotland had gained independence. As it is we now face a future with fiscal autonomy. Let's see if the SNP can keep a hold of the purse strings! | |||
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