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"I think labour got the best result they could have hoped for! And I'll tell you why, they got beat but they didn't get annihilated and the Tories will have to find a solution for the mess their first term has created. In five years time the Tories will be as popular as warts once the housing and stock market crash back into recession and they won't be able to blame the previous labour government, I honestly think the high command of the labour party didn't want to win this election and got the result they wanted secretly. The lib dems will cease to even be a party as I said pre election they would be wiped out. For us the greens it's great news as two party politics will be seen for the charades of what it is?. As for name calling well everybody throws it around and the greens get more than anyone, we plug away anyway because we're in it for the right reasons even if we're not playing the notes in the right order  .
Facts don't come into politics people have entrenched views hence why 500 seats never swap allegiance, everybody in politics knows it and that's why they only try targeting the tiny small % of people who are swinger's
Nice try but.....
1) Cameron is an unpopular conservative leader and will be replaced in four years by a new leader. He has already said as much. That new leader may well be much more popular than Cameron.
2) If Farage resigns, UKIP support will likely evaporate over the next five years and will likely reward the conservatives for the EU referendum whichever way it goes.
3) Labour need to deal with an almost impossible conundrum of being perceived as not being left wing enough in Scotland and being too left wing in England. That is going to be tough to deal with in just a couple of years.
Leaders don't make a difference in reality people vote for their pocket, Johnson or may or another Tory will find it difficult to get popular once peoples pockets get hit and their really going to get hit in the next five years.
What could possibly save the Tories except another war... Nothing
People are selfish. It is human nature.
Most people would rather pay less tax and get the choice as to what to spend their money on rather than hand over wads of cash to labour politicians who, throughout history have been unable to manage the books - even in boom times they could not balance the books.
My prediction is that there will be more tax cuts for everyone and a tightening of the noose on welfare. I think that by 2020 welfare dependancy for the fit and healthy will be a thing of the past and we will live in a country where once again, it will pay to be ambitious and successful in life.
Labour have too many issues to address to make a meaningful fist of it in five years time as they can't resolve their Scotland and UK problems at the same time..
I don't get you ideology your obviously hung up about people not working and yeah aren't we all but even if you stopped paying welfare completely it wouldn't make a dent on your other hang up of cutting the debt now you want tax cuts as well but still want to cut the debt?
If we assume that the 'feckless' account for 10% of claims then you would save about £6bn a year - not much of a dent in a deficit of £84bn - lets see where they find the rest from. "Where is this thread is there any mention of feckless? I think that I said that getting people away from state dependancy and to take on a more ambitious and self reliant attitude is a good thing. The last Labour government created the concept of welfare for life and thus extinguished ambition for young people. By getting off that roundabout not only saves the country money, but it also creates wealth through tax contributions from the income that they earn. Saving money on welfare is only 50% of the story if you can get people motivated and ambitious in the workplace. | |||
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"Which election pledge do people think Cameron will break first? As the Tories were just firing them off the tops of their heads for the last two weeks, in their successful bid to appeal to the greedy and self-interested, which will fall first do we think?" The Tories have always torn themselves apart from the inside - they're very good at that. The EU referendum will be the thing that does that. The party does not have a consenus on Europe. I don't think people who voted for him will care much if he breaks a few pledges. | |||
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"As the Tories were just firing them off the tops of their heads for the last two weeks" All of them were to be honest which is no different to any other election at any other time in history. For me it boiled down to who I wanted and who and/or what made the most sense to me. I voted Conservative. | |||
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" Where is this thread is there any mention of feckless? " Well this is your quote from Thread 4. "Well done David Cameron. Three political opposition leaders fall on their swords before 1pm the day after the election. Blue moon rising. Socialism in England is dead. Lib Dems - smashed, Labour defeated. What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? Bye bye En n Ed" I believe that is a mention of 'feckless'. | |||
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" Where is this thread is there any mention of feckless? Well this is your quote from Thread 4. Well done David Cameron. Three political opposition leaders fall on their swords before 1pm the day after the election. Blue moon rising. Socialism in England is dead. Lib Dems - smashed, Labour defeated. What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? Bye bye En n Ed I believe that is a mention of 'feckless'. " That is an entirely different thread and was a lightly baited hook that landed the catch that was intended 
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" Where is this thread is there any mention of feckless? Well this is your quote from Thread 4. Well done David Cameron. Three political opposition leaders fall on their swords before 1pm the day after the election. Blue moon rising. Socialism in England is dead. Lib Dems - smashed, Labour defeated. What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? Bye bye En n Ed I believe that is a mention of 'feckless'. That is an entirely different thread and was a lightly baited hook that landed the catch that was intended
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" a lightly baited hook that landed the catch that was intended
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" Where is this thread is there any mention of feckless? Well this is your quote from Thread 4. Well done David Cameron. Three political opposition leaders fall on their swords before 1pm the day after the election. Blue moon rising. Socialism in England is dead. Lib Dems - smashed, Labour defeated. What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? Bye bye En n Ed I believe that is a mention of 'feckless'. That is an entirely different thread and was a lightly baited hook that landed the catch that was intended
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"Most people would rather pay less tax and get the choice as to what to spend their money on rather than hand over wads of cash to labour politicians who, throughout history have been unable to manage the books - even in boom times they could not balance the books. My prediction is that there will be more tax cuts for everyone and a tightening of the noose on welfare. I think that by 2020 welfare dependancy for the fit and healthy will be a thing of the past and we will live in a country where once again, it will pay to be ambitious and successful in life. Labour have too many issues to address to make a meaningful fist of it in five years time as they can't resolve their Scotland and UK problems at the same time.. I don't get you ideology your obviously hung up about people not working and yeah aren't we all but even if you stopped paying welfare completely it wouldn't make a dent on your other hang up of cutting the debt now you want tax cuts as well but still want to cut the debt? If we assume that the 'feckless' account for 10% of claims then you would save about £6bn a year - not much of a dent in a deficit of £84bn - lets see where they find the rest from........ The Tories are being there usual devious self, they aim there target of vitriol at work shy bums because it's easy to get people bile up. If you seriously want to cut the national debt then you have to be serious with cuts. You'd need something like 30% cut in health care 30% cut in armed services 50% cut in state pensions 30% cut to schools And completely scrap child benefit Do you seriously think the Tories will do this.. Here's my prediction for the next five years and this wouldn't have altered much if it was labour or Tory. Massive increase in national debt to around 2.2 trillion Massive inflation maybe double figure within 3 years. A devaluing of the pound by 50% robbing ordinary citizens of any acquired wealth. Stock market bubble burst. Housing bubble burst. Banks bailed out yet again 4th round of QE maybe another 500 billion. Working week increases to 45hrs Pensions to be raised to 73 for men 70 for women. Income tax up 1 or 2p but vat up to 25p Cooperation tax down to 18% maybe 15% Top level tax the same! Interest rates will sneak up to 2% but watch out for the housing crash the could be another Tory 10-15% hike last time" Send your recommendations to Boy George - I am sure he will read them and carefully consider your proposals. Top tip - make it shorter though - he might get bored reading it. | |||
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"We liked Nick Clegg. He is a bloody nice bloke snnnnnnnkkkkkkk. Joking aside we're kinda glad he kept his seat and think he was wrong to resign. Good luck Nick and thanks for stepping in to the breech. The one good thing is it's better to have had 5 years in government than 5 years carping on the back benches about how shite the other lot and not come up with anything constructive whatsoever. I personally think that guy is a national hero. Even though there's lots of people who would disagree. But fuck it I don't care what you think. " I agree with this 100% History will take a different view than the electorate. He took on a brave job five years ago and has paid a heavy price for doing the right thing for the country. | |||
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"The people have spoken. Its clear that, subject to the usual caveats about a first past the post system, the popular vote is for centre right politics for the next five years. UKIP failed to persuade the floating voters they were a credible alternative and a narrow manifesto was rejected. As for the Labour party the SNP factor has been a major blow but the confidence over the leadership was not there. The spin doctors are at work already and Inclusive Conservatism" seems to be the buzz word. Time to get back to normal life for most of the population but when almost a third of those entitled to vote decided not to it makes me think that the mandate given to the Torys is far from inclusive." Agreed, but that applies to all governments of whatever party, they always claim a mandate above what they realistically have based on number of people who have got off their backside and gone to that polling station. That said, the priorities of people who just don't vote aren't priorities I particularly want reflected in the makeup of any government. (This doesn't apply to those who go to vote and then spoil their ballot, which I think is a legitimate action.) | |||
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"In brighton, the colour of the constituencies goes red, green, blue from west to east and we all live happily together by the sea. Can someone assure me that my left wing leanings won't cost me in missed sex opportunities? " Seeing as Fab seems like Tory HQ I am sorry to disappoint you Steve, you might be feckless in bed! | |||
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"We liked Nick Clegg. He is a bloody nice bloke snnnnnnnkkkkkkk. Joking aside we're kinda glad he kept his seat and think he was wrong to resign. Good luck Nick and thanks for stepping in to the breech. The one good thing is it's better to have had 5 years in government than 5 years carping on the back benches about how shite the other lot and not come up with anything constructive whatsoever. I personally think that guy is a national hero. Even though there's lots of people who would disagree. But fuck it I don't care what you think. " I don't think I'd go as far as national hero, but otherwise agreed! | |||
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"Most people would rather pay less tax and get the choice as to what to spend their money on rather than hand over wads of cash to labour politicians who, throughout history have been unable to manage the books - even in boom times they could not balance the books. My prediction is that there will be more tax cuts for everyone and a tightening of the noose on welfare. I think that by 2020 welfare dependancy for the fit and healthy will be a thing of the past and we will live in a country where once again, it will pay to be ambitious and successful in life. Labour have too many issues to address to make a meaningful fist of it in five years time as they can't resolve their Scotland and UK problems at the same time.. I don't get you ideology your obviously hung up about people not working and yeah aren't we all but even if you stopped paying welfare completely it wouldn't make a dent on your other hang up of cutting the debt now you want tax cuts as well but still want to cut the debt? If we assume that the 'feckless' account for 10% of claims then you would save about £6bn a year - not much of a dent in a deficit of £84bn - lets see where they find the rest from........ The Tories are being there usual devious self, they aim there target of vitriol at work shy bums because it's easy to get people bile up. If you seriously want to cut the national debt then you have to be serious with cuts. You'd need something like 30% cut in health care 30% cut in armed services 50% cut in state pensions 30% cut to schools And completely scrap child benefit Do you seriously think the Tories will do this.. Here's my prediction for the next five years and this wouldn't have altered much if it was labour or Tory. Massive increase in national debt to around 2.2 trillion Massive inflation maybe double figure within 3 years. A devaluing of the pound by 50% robbing ordinary citizens of any acquired wealth. Stock market bubble burst. Housing bubble burst. Banks bailed out yet again 4th round of QE maybe another 500 billion. Working week increases to 45hrs Pensions to be raised to 73 for men 70 for women. Income tax up 1 or 2p but vat up to 25p Cooperation tax down to 18% maybe 15% Top level tax the same! Interest rates will sneak up to 2% but watch out for the housing crash the could be another Tory 10-15% hike last time Send your recommendations to Boy George - I am sure he will read them and carefully consider your proposals. Top tip - make it shorter though - he might get bored reading it." . That's why the tories get in... There electorate have a very short attention span lasting the length of adverts in between soaps. Top tip read more you might learn something. Like I predicted a Tory win and libdem collapse you predicted a ed and Ed win and one didn't even win his seat | |||
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"Also, what do we think will be the Tories next go to excuse? Only this morning David Cameron told people 'we are on the verge of something good happening' - after five years of government - so when we get to 2020 and we still find ourselves on the same verge, what excuse will they use? Even the reliably gullible average Tory voter will find it hard to swallow that it's still Labour's fault that our economy is tanking, after 10 years of Tory 'prudence'." They will be judged on their record at that time. It is going to be much tougher for Cameron over the next 5 years. No Labour mismanagement to blame, and no Lib Dems to blame for watering down policy. Added to which the potential for a melt down over Europe. | |||
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"Also, what do we think will be the Tories next go to excuse? " Well blaming Labour hasn't worked out too badly for them - so I imagine they'll keep using it. | |||
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"Also, what do we think will be the Tories next go to excuse? Only this morning David Cameron told people 'we are on the verge of something good happening' - after five years of government - so when we get to 2020 and we still find ourselves on the same verge, what excuse will they use? Even the reliably gullible average Tory voter will find it hard to swallow that it's still Labour's fault that our economy is tanking, after 10 years of Tory 'prudence'." If we get to 2020 and don't have a strong economy they'll be punished for it at the polling stations I'd expect. But given that I was at the declaration last night where a returned Labour MP effectively blamed the legacy of Thatcher for all the constituency's problems, (to resounding cheers from the labour activists) perhaps it's not just "average Tory voter" who is gullible enough to believe that kind of bollocks. | |||
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"In brighton, the colour of the constituencies goes red, green, blue from west to east and we all live happily together by the sea. Can someone assure me that my left wing leanings won't cost me in missed sex opportunities? " Sure you will fine as long as you take it up the ass like the Ed brothers( sorry couldnt resist that not meant seriously  | |||
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" They will be judged on their record at that time. It is going to be much tougher for Cameron over the next 5 years. No Labour mismanagement to blame, and no Lib Dems to blame for watering down policy. Added to which the potential for a melt down over Europe. " Clearing the deficit is the biggest problem for them. If they increase the tax threshold it will cost tens of billions in the first few years - how you can make cuts on the scale of maybe £100bn (accounting for threshold change) in 3 years, without seriously impacting on the country is beyond me. | |||
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"I think Mrs Cameron looks a nice lady, but she really does look self conscience when walking and in front of the camera " I wondered if her dress choice was made just in case they needed to kiss an SNP member. | |||
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"Also, what do we think will be the Tories next go to excuse? Well blaming Labour hasn't worked out too badly for them - so I imagine they'll keep using it. " Do you not think that if ever Labour had ever even accepted some blame for making a right fuck up of the economy ( never forget that Miliband was in Cabinet and Balls at least an economic advisor) nevermind making any attempt at a sincere and proper apology they may done a smidgen better? | |||
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"We liked Nick Clegg. He is a bloody nice bloke snnnnnnnkkkkkkk. Joking aside we're kinda glad he kept his seat and think he was wrong to resign. Good luck Nick and thanks for stepping in to the breech. The one good thing is it's better to have had 5 years in government than 5 years carping on the back benches about how shite the other lot and not come up with anything constructive whatsoever. I personally think that guy is a national hero. Even though there's lots of people who would disagree. But fuck it I don't care what you think. " I think and hope you are right, what the country neede in 2010 was a stable government and he along with Cameron was brave to take the risk, although I would be a blue voter I personally prefer him to "Dave" he served the UK well and I am sure history will show him in a good light unlike Blair who history will show to be a war mongering lying barsteward | |||
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"Also, what do we think will be the Tories next go to excuse? Well blaming Labour hasn't worked out too badly for them - so I imagine they'll keep using it. Do you not think that if ever Labour had ever even accepted some blame for making a right fuck up of the economy ( never forget that Miliband was in Cabinet and Balls at least an economic advisor) nevermind making any attempt at a sincere and proper apology they may done a smidgen better? " I seem to recall various Shadow Cabinet members saying they got it wrong. Apologies don't count for much these days. | |||
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"I think Mrs Cameron looks a nice lady, but she really does look self conscience when walking and in front of the camera I wondered if her dress choice was made just in case they needed to kiss an SNP member. " Yes, covered all options | |||
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"In brighton, the colour of the constituencies goes red, green, blue from west to east and we all live happily together by the sea. Can someone assure me that my left wing leanings won't cost me in missed sex opportunities? Seeing as Fab seems like Tory HQ I am sorry to disappoint you Steve, you might be feckless in bed! "Oh Clegg!  | |||
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" Where is this thread is there any mention of feckless? Well this is your quote from Thread 4. Well done David Cameron. Three political opposition leaders fall on their swords before 1pm the day after the election. Blue moon rising. Socialism in England is dead. Lib Dems - smashed, Labour defeated. What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? Bye bye En n Ed I believe that is a mention of 'feckless'. That is an entirely different thread and was a lightly baited hook that landed the catch that was intended
Or rather, you exposed your true feelings, in the common language of the average Tory.
And we both know which is true. "I am a natural conservative voter. I am the original tubthumper and the actions of the previous Labour government being apologists for the feckless, shirkers and work shy is hardly front page news. Labour lost this election because the electorate saw through Milliband on the Leaders QT and his refusal to accept economic responsibility. He would not even accept that money should have been saved in the good times and instead Labour continuously wratcheted up the deficit. Welfare lifestyle became a choice for young people under the last Labour government. The vast majority of normal, ordinary people DO NOT accept that people of healthy working age should be able to claim more in benefits than through working. Labour still do not seemingly share that vision and are therefore apologists for the feckless, the work shy and the shirkers, who would much rather claim benefits than work. These people are the long term unemployable and NOT those who really need welfare support. | |||
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"I think Mrs Cameron looks a nice lady, but she really does look self conscience when walking and in front of the camera " I totally would  | |||
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"I think Mrs Cameron looks a nice lady, but she really does look self conscience when walking and in front of the camera I wondered if her dress choice was made just in case they needed to kiss an SNP member. Yes, covered all options "From the front it looks like what they'd like the political map to look like: a sea of blue, but they'll let the greens have a seat | |||
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"Mr murphys speach was lovely Glad he's staying " | |||
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"Also, what do we think will be the Tories next go to excuse? Well blaming Labour hasn't worked out too badly for them - so I imagine they'll keep using it. Do you not think that if ever Labour had ever even accepted some blame for making a right fuck up of the economy ( never forget that Miliband was in Cabinet and Balls at least an economic advisor) nevermind making any attempt at a sincere and proper apology they may done a smidgen better? " I think that you are on to something here. The leaders QT last week exposed this to all. | |||
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"I think Mrs Cameron looks a nice lady, but she really does look self conscience when walking and in front of the camera I totally would "Does she come across as timid and girl next door type who is a little minx in bed to you? | |||
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" These people are the long term unemployable and NOT those who really need welfare support. " A lot of people who are 50+ who worked in one industry all their lives with not many transferable skills are considered unemployable by today's standards. More needs to be done for them. That's the problem with tarring people with the same brush. | |||
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"I think Mrs Cameron looks a nice lady, but she really does look self conscience when walking and in front of the camera I totally would
Does she come across as timid and girl next door type who is a little minx in bed to you?"You can't be a PM's wife and be timid. She doesn't come across as timid me. I was just eating breakfast this morning reading the paper and there was a pic of her and I just thought "I would" while eating my breakfast.
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"You can bet DC's getting laid tonight, lol" lol and Clegg is getting the usual pegging. | |||
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"You can bet DC's getting laid tonight, lol lol and Clegg is getting the usual pegging. " HA!
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"You can bet DC's getting laid tonight, lol lol and Clegg is getting the usual pegging. " That Miriam is wild enough to do it! | |||
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"Politics is brutal though isn't it? Some politicians I really dislike have lost their seats, but it must be such a horrendous thing to have it announced on tv in the middle of the night after you've been working your arse off, that you've been sacked from your job you've been doing for years and years. Look at Simon Hughes face for example. I almost felt sorry for Ed Balls. " I bet they have plenty of other irons in the fire though. They mostly know how to feather their own nests! | |||
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"Politics is brutal though isn't it? Some politicians I really dislike have lost their seats, but it must be such a horrendous thing to have it announced on tv in the middle of the night after you've been working your arse off, that you've been sacked from your job you've been doing for years and years. Look at Simon Hughes face for example. I almost felt sorry for Ed Balls. I bet they have plenty of other irons in the fire though. They mostly know how to feather their own nests! " As do all politicians, regardless of party colour | |||
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"Politics is brutal though isn't it? Some politicians I really dislike have lost their seats, but it must be such a horrendous thing to have it announced on tv in the middle of the night after you've been working your arse off, that you've been sacked from your job you've been doing for years and years. Look at Simon Hughes face for example. I almost felt sorry for Ed Balls. I bet they have plenty of other irons in the fire though. They mostly know how to feather their own nests! " . When they said they wanted austerity they didn't mean for them!!. They still get paid for quite awhile after losing their jobs as a way of settlement... A policy I think we all could do with | |||
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"Politics is brutal though isn't it? Some politicians I really dislike have lost their seats, but it must be such a horrendous thing to have it announced on tv in the middle of the night after you've been working your arse off, that you've been sacked from your job you've been doing for years and years. Look at Simon Hughes face for example. I almost felt sorry for Ed Balls. I bet they have plenty of other irons in the fire though. They mostly know how to feather their own nests! " Oh absolutely, most will go on to much better paid jobs I'm sure! But they've obviously decided they wanted to be an MP and they've been kicked, sometimes for things outside their control. I might not have had enough sleep, I've gone soft!  | |||
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"Also, what do we think will be the Tories next go to excuse? Well blaming Labour hasn't worked out too badly for them - so I imagine they'll keep using it. " it worked for three labour administrations The Lib Dems found out that being in government was a lot more difficult than being in opposition, a thankless task and the electorate will punish you if they are displeased. | |||
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"Did Paddy Ashdown publicly eat his hat btw ? " Not seen it yet | |||
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"We liked Nick Clegg. He is a bloody nice bloke snnnnnnnkkkkkkk. Joking aside we're kinda glad he kept his seat and think he was wrong to resign. Good luck Nick and thanks for stepping in to the breech. The one good thing is it's better to have had 5 years in government than 5 years carping on the back benches about how shite the other lot and not come up with anything constructive whatsoever. I personally think that guy is a national hero. Even though there's lots of people who would disagree. But fuck it I don't care what you think. " Totally agree about Cleggy. Though I wouldn't vote for Lib Dems I have huge admiration for him putting the national interests before his party. I feel sorry for him for all the criticisms levelled at him over the whole tuition fees issue, but he understood that when you are part of a coalition government, compromises must be made. Genuinely gutted for the bloke  | |||
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"Politics is brutal though isn't it? Some politicians I really dislike have lost their seats, but it must be such a horrendous thing to have it announced on tv in the middle of the night after you've been working your arse off, that you've been sacked from your job you've been doing for years and years. Look at Simon Hughes face for example. I almost felt sorry for Ed Balls. I bet they have plenty of other irons in the fire though. They mostly know how to feather their own nests! . When they said they wanted austerity they didn't mean for them!!. They still get paid for quite awhile after losing their jobs as a way of settlement... A policy I think we all could do with" I didn't mean about the money btw! I'm well aware they're not going to be on the breadline. | |||
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"Did Paddy Ashdown publicly eat his hat btw ? Not seen it yet "Nope. Alistair Campbell added shortly after Paddy had made that statement that if the exit poll proved to be correct, he would eat his kilt. Paddy, when handed a hat to eat by Andrew Neal has said that he will do it, but alongside Campbell eating his kilt. So you can guarantee that won't be happening. | |||
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"Harriet Harman has stood down as deputy Labour leader?
I thought she was going to caretaker? "She is. She stands down once new leader has been elected | |||
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"Did Paddy Ashdown publicly eat his hat btw ? Not seen it yet
Nope. Alistair Campbell added shortly after Paddy had made that statement that if the exit poll proved to be correct, he would eat his kilt.
Paddy, when handed a hat to eat by Andrew Neal has said that he will do it, but alongside Campbell eating his kilt.
So you can guarantee that won't be happening."Somebody should eat what Campbell has under his kilt. The prick. | |||
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I thought she was going to caretaker?
She is. She stands down once new leader has been elected"I totally misunderstood that | |||
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" I don't know and im' guessing but am i correct in thinking that of all the SNP MP's old and new, they will be mostly ordinary people and not the bog standard PPE twats like Cameron, Clegg and Miliband? Can't be a bad thing if that's the case. " Well one is a 20 year old politics student, if that helps... | |||
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"I think it's time to leave the UK... "No chance of taking Katie Hopkins with you is there? | |||
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"I think Mrs Cameron looks a nice lady, but she really does look self conscience when walking and in front of the camera I totally would
Does she come across as timid and girl next door type who is a little minx in bed to you?
You can't be a PM's wife and be timid.
She doesn't come across as timid me.
"Do you think? Do PM's wives have to be a certain way then? As for comment about "you would" I wouldn't expect any mans brain to switch off at any time of the day | |||
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"A great victory for people that want to get out of bed in the morning and work for a living. Well done Dave " Well said | |||
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" I don't know and im' guessing but am i correct in thinking that of all the SNP MP's old and new, they will be mostly ordinary people and not the bog standard PPE twats like Cameron, Clegg and Miliband? Can't be a bad thing if that's the case. Well one is a 20 year old politics student, if that helps..." One's a ex-stand up comedian as well. | |||
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"I think it's time to leave the UK... "Can I come? Lol | |||
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" I don't know and im' guessing but am i correct in thinking that of all the SNP MP's old and new, they will be mostly ordinary people and not the bog standard PPE twats like Cameron, Clegg and Miliband? Can't be a bad thing if that's the case. Well one is a 20 year old politics student, if that helps... One's a ex-stand up comedian as well. " Stand up comedian actually sounds like great credentials for being an MP | |||
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" Where is this thread is there any mention of feckless? Well this is your quote from Thread 4. Well done David Cameron. Three political opposition leaders fall on their swords before 1pm the day after the election. Blue moon rising. Socialism in England is dead. Lib Dems - smashed, Labour defeated. What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? Bye bye En n Ed I believe that is a mention of 'feckless'. That is an entirely different thread and was a lightly baited hook that landed the catch that was intended
Or rather, you exposed your true feelings, in the common language of the average Tory.
And we both know which is true.
I am a natural conservative voter. I am the original tubthumper and the actions of the previous Labour government being apologists for the feckless, shirkers and work shy is hardly front page news.
Labour lost this election because the electorate saw through Milliband on the Leaders QT and his refusal to accept economic responsibility. He would not even accept that money should have been saved in the good times and instead Labour continuously wratcheted up the deficit. Welfare lifestyle became a choice for young people under the last Labour government.
The vast majority of normal, ordinary people DO NOT accept that people of healthy working age should be able to claim more in benefits than through working. Labour still do not seemingly share that vision and are therefore apologists for the feckless, the work shy and the shirkers, who would much rather claim benefits than work. These people are the long term unemployable and NOT those who really need welfare support. "How do you explain the opposition backing for most of the fiscal interventions front 2007? | |||
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"Politics is brutal though isn't it? Some politicians I really dislike have lost their seats, but it must be such a horrendous thing to have it announced on tv in the middle of the night after you've been working your arse off, that you've been sacked from your job you've been doing for years and years. Look at Simon Hughes face for example. I almost felt sorry for Ed Balls. I bet they have plenty of other irons in the fire though. They mostly know how to feather their own nests! As do all politicians, regardless of party colour " I've always been puzzled by this view of them 'feathering their nests', it sounds like either jealousy or contempt. They have to stand for re election every five years so potentially they only have a political career span of five years, possibly more if they're any good but if you knew your job could possibly end at a predetermined time, wouldn't you want to have some 'irons in the fire' as well? I definitely would! | |||
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" I don't know and im' guessing but am i correct in thinking that of all the SNP MP's old and new, they will be mostly ordinary people and not the bog standard PPE twats like Cameron, Clegg and Miliband? Can't be a bad thing if that's the case. Well one is a 20 year old politics student, if that helps... One's a ex-stand up comedian as well. Stand up comedian actually sounds like great credentials for being an MP "
Eddie Izzard did make an appearance up here as well but he was in a well tailored dress suit with fetching neck tie and heels. In other words, more stylish than most of the female MSP's up here! | |||
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"I think it's time to leave the UK... "Why? Fastest growing economy in G8. Recent founding member of Asian Infrastructure Bank with China... Possible referendum on Europe... Either way is good for us but out would lead to the very real possibility of the most powerful free trade area ever known... If we joined NAFTA. Which as 1/4 of all US foreign investment is in the UK, makes it a real possibility. Resurgent auto industry... And hopefully now, smaller government... Although it will never happen, we need to stop "ring fencing" the NHS too. This means there will never be a proper discussion of how to make it more cost effective. It needs to be forced into fending for itself, like the BBC, when you don't need to make money to survive, you take things for granted. Both are top and administration heavy and need to be cut, if we are ever to see value for money. | |||
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" As for comment about "you would" I wouldn't expect any mans brain to switch off at any time of the day "I'm powered by Duracell. | |||
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"Politics is brutal though isn't it? Some politicians I really dislike have lost their seats, but it must be such a horrendous thing to have it announced on tv in the middle of the night after you've been working your arse off, that you've been sacked from your job you've been doing for years and years. Look at Simon Hughes face for example. I almost felt sorry for Ed Balls. I bet they have plenty of other irons in the fire though. They mostly know how to feather their own nests! As do all politicians, regardless of party colour I've always been puzzled by this view of them 'feathering their nests', it sounds like either jealousy or contempt. They have to stand for re election every five years so potentially they only have a political career span of five years, possibly more if they're any good but if you knew your job could possibly end at a predetermined time, wouldn't you want to have some 'irons in the fire' as well? I definitely would!" Most definitely contempt. One only has to look at mp expenses to see that feathering their own nests is top of their priorities. | |||
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" As for comment about "you would" I wouldn't expect any mans brain to switch off at any time of the day
I'm powered by Duracell. "Let them slate us, they can't beat the Bunny | |||
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"A great victory for people that want to get out of bed in the morning and work for a living. Well done Dave " I'd better correct that for you: You mean 'A great victory for people who want to get out of bed in the morning and work for a living, on a zero hours contract while their worker's rights are simultaneously eroded and the infrastructure of the society they live in falls in to decay, so that they can make their employer richer while deluding themselves the economy is improving to their benefit. Well done Dave.' You can have the full stop on me! | |||
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"I think it's time to leave the UK...
Why? Fastest growing economy in G8.
Recent founding member of Asian Infrastructure Bank with China...
Possible referendum on Europe...
Either way is good for us but out would lead to the very real possibility of the most powerful free trade area ever known... If we joined NAFTA.
Which as 1/4 of all US foreign investment is in the UK, makes it a real possibility.
Resurgent auto industry...
And hopefully now, smaller government...
Although it will never happen, we need to stop "ring fencing" the NHS too.
This means there will never be a proper discussion of how to make it more cost effective.
It needs to be forced into fending for itself, like the BBC, when you don't need to make money to survive, you take things for granted.
Both are top and administration heavy and need to be cut, if we are ever to see value for money.
"Definitely agree on the NHS and the BBC. While I think the cuts to local government budgets are becoming too severe, having the 'think the unthinkable' and make real changes to the way they operate, councils have been able to make some massive strides that they would not have done without the pressure of those budget reductions behind them. | |||
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"Politics is brutal though isn't it? Some politicians I really dislike have lost their seats, but it must be such a horrendous thing to have it announced on tv in the middle of the night after you've been working your arse off, that you've been sacked from your job you've been doing for years and years. Look at Simon Hughes face for example. I almost felt sorry for Ed Balls. I bet they have plenty of other irons in the fire though. They mostly know how to feather their own nests! As do all politicians, regardless of party colour I've always been puzzled by this view of them 'feathering their nests', it sounds like either jealousy or contempt. They have to stand for re election every five years so potentially they only have a political career span of five years, possibly more if they're any good but if you knew your job could possibly end at a predetermined time, wouldn't you want to have some 'irons in the fire' as well? I definitely would! Most definitely contempt. One only has to look at mp expenses to see that feathering their own nests is top of their priorities. " The expenses are minuscule in comparison to the cost of actually running the government. Every company who pays their employees expenses has instances of them being abused at some point, again it's not something confined to being a politician. | |||
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"A great victory for people that want to get out of bed in the morning and work for a living. Well done Dave I'd better correct that for you: You mean 'A great victory for people who want to get out of bed in the morning and work for a living, on a zero hours contract while their worker's rights are simultaneously eroded and the infrastructure of the society they live in falls in to decay, so that they can make their employer richer while deluding themselves the economy is improving to their benefit. Well done Dave.' You can have the full stop on me! "I wouldn't worry. I imagine he'll be far less popular next time | |||
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"Lets all move to Scotland " Sod that! It's always raining! | |||
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"I think it's time to leave the UK...
Why? Fastest growing economy in G8.
Recent founding member of Asian Infrastructure Bank with China...
Possible referendum on Europe...
Either way is good for us but out would lead to the very real possibility of the most powerful free trade area ever known... If we joined NAFTA.
Which as 1/4 of all US foreign investment is in the UK, makes it a real possibility.
Resurgent auto industry...
And hopefully now, smaller government...
Although it will never happen, we need to stop "ring fencing" the NHS too.
This means there will never be a proper discussion of how to make it more cost effective.
It needs to be forced into fending for itself, like the BBC, when you don't need to make money to survive, you take things for granted.
Both are top and administration heavy and need to be cut, if we are ever to see value for money.
Definitely agree on the NHS and the BBC. While I think the cuts to local government budgets are becoming too severe, having the 'think the unthinkable' and make real changes to the way they operate, councils have been able to make some massive strides that they would not have done without the pressure of those budget reductions behind them. "I'm a big hater of government.... I detest them being in my life... And getting rid of the lib dems and the embarrassment that was labour, certainly means less gov intervention. Today just shows how socialists and commies love to take to the streets, but the big group in the middle say nothing. I'm not so political either way.... But I do notice that socialists love to shout about their convictions. | |||
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It is a great day for those who want to see a better tomorrow.
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" Blue moon rising There is a strange irony between that statement and your profile pic. "At last, someone is getting my stuff. I am actually a card carrying member of the rightwing, centreist social networking and shagging Party. No-one knows that. Ssshhhhhh... | |||
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" Blue moon rising There is a strange irony between that statement and your profile pic.
At last, someone is getting my stuff.
I am actually a card carrying member of the rightwing, centreist social networking and shagging Party. No-one knows that. Ssshhhhhh...
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"A great victory for people that want to get out of bed in the morning and work for a living. Well done Dave I'd better correct that for you: You mean 'A great victory for people who want to get out of bed in the morning and work for a living, on a zero hours contract while their worker's rights are simultaneously eroded and the infrastructure of the society they live in falls in to decay, so that they can make their employer richer while deluding themselves the economy is improving to their benefit. Well done Dave.' You can have the full stop on me! "No correction needed,I stand by my comment. | |||
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"So Miliband, Clegg and Farage have all stepped down. So who will step up?
Thoughts people? "Clowns to be replaced by more clowns? | |||
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"After all is said and done.....still couldn't give a toss, all politicians are the same, promise the earth deliver feck all.... they are all in it for their own gain and it will never change. The population should make a stand and refuse to vote, then they might sit up and actually listen." The main advocate of that, Russell Brand, abandoned his no vote principles and urged people to vote Labour. That went well didn't it? | |||
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"So Miliband, Clegg and Farage have all stepped down. So who will step up?
Thoughts people?
Clowns to be replaced by more clowns?"I see what you mean
However, if Labour get their Leader right and focus support for their candidate for next London Mayor, They can still give Cameron a hard time during his term.
The next Lib Dem leader has to build from scratch. Their new leader will have a task and a half winning back support but the damage has been done.
UKIP served their purpose. Their votes weakened other parties and they weren't strong enough to benefit. Still, they did see a lot of votes and have a good idea now of where their support lies in the country.
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"So Miliband, Clegg and Farage have all stepped down. So who will step up?
Thoughts people? "Andy Burnham.. and I wonder if the other Milliband will return? | |||
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"My BiL thinks we have 15 years of Tory rule but I think it will only be 10. I'm a secret optimist. "The boundary and number of MP changes coming in are forecast to make it even harder for Labour in future elections. | |||
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"We liked Nick Clegg. He is a bloody nice bloke snnnnnnnkkkkkkk. Joking aside we're kinda glad he kept his seat and think he was wrong to resign. Good luck Nick and thanks for stepping in to the breech. The one good thing is it's better to have had 5 years in government than 5 years carping on the back benches about how shite the other lot and not come up with anything constructive whatsoever. I personally think that guy is a national hero. Even though there's lots of people who would disagree. But fuck it I don't care what you think. " I'm Conservative and I'd agree fully. | |||
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"My BiL thinks we have 15 years of Tory rule but I think it will only be 10. I'm a secret optimist.
The boundary and number of MP changes coming in are forecast to make it even harder for Labour in future elections."meh, I would still say that provided SNP realize they haven't managed to prevent the Tories being blocked out and return to voting labour, they'll be back in next time or if not, under david mil in 2025 | |||
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"My BiL thinks we have 15 years of Tory rule but I think it will only be 10. I'm a secret optimist.
The boundary and number of MP changes coming in are forecast to make it even harder for Labour in future elections."Don't take away all hope. | |||
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"After all is said and done.....still couldn't give a toss, all politicians are the same, promise the earth deliver feck all.... they are all in it for their own gain and it will never change. The population should make a stand and refuse to vote, then they might sit up and actually listen." No. That is what has happened and makes no difference. People need to vote and vote none of the above or spoil their paper. That is the way to get your voice heard if you feel so strongly opposed to all the parties. | |||
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" No. That is what has happened and makes no difference. People need to vote and vote none of the above or spoil their paper. . " I just don't get the go to the polling station and spoil the paper lark....that is not a vote at all. | |||
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" No. That is what has happened and makes no difference. People need to vote and vote none of the above or spoil their paper. . I just don't get the go to the polling station and spoil the paper lark....that is not a vote at all." But you turned up and showed that you are willing to participate in the process and not accept anything at all. I think it's illegal to deliberately spoil your ballot though. | |||
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" No. That is what has happened and makes no difference. People need to vote and vote none of the above or spoil their paper. . I just don't get the go to the polling station and spoil the paper lark....that is not a vote at all." It is. It registers disgust instead of apathy and they are all looked at and recorded. | |||
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" No. That is what has happened and makes no difference. People need to vote and vote none of the above or spoil their paper. . I just don't get the go to the polling station and spoil the paper lark....that is not a vote at all. But you turned up and showed that you are willing to participate in the process and not accept anything at all. I think it's illegal to deliberately spoil your ballot though. " But it still isn't a vote, ( Mr Ruggers thinks like you ) | |||
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" No. That is what has happened and makes no difference. People need to vote and vote none of the above or spoil their paper. . I just don't get the go to the polling station and spoil the paper lark....that is not a vote at all. But you turned up and showed that you are willing to participate in the process and not accept anything at all. I think it's illegal to deliberately spoil your ballot though. But it still isn't a vote, ( Mr Ruggers thinks like you )" He sounds like a good man. | |||
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" No. That is what has happened and makes no difference. People need to vote and vote none of the above or spoil their paper. . I just don't get the go to the polling station and spoil the paper lark....that is not a vote at all. But you turned up and showed that you are willing to participate in the process and not accept anything at all. I think it's illegal to deliberately spoil your ballot though. But it still isn't a vote, ( Mr Ruggers thinks like you ) He sounds like a good man. "He's nuts | |||
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" But you turned up and showed that you are willing to participate in the process and not accept anything at all. I think it's illegal to deliberately spoil your ballot though. But it still isn't a vote, ( Mr Ruggers thinks like you ) He sounds like a good man.
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" No. That is what has happened and makes no difference. People need to vote and vote none of the above or spoil their paper. . I just don't get the go to the polling station and spoil the paper lark....that is not a vote at all. But you turned up and showed that you are willing to participate in the process and not accept anything at all. I think it's illegal to deliberately spoil your ballot though. But it still isn't a vote, ( Mr Ruggers thinks like you )" It shows you care about politics though. If the millions of "no party worth a vote" did this it would make a difference. At present, the non voters are just people that do not care less who is in power. They are insignificant in the vote, effectively siding with the majority party each election. | |||
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"You would need a hell of a lot of people to make a difference. 1% of the voters in 2010 did it, it hardly got a mention" I agree.....33% or whatever the number of non voters is would be huge though. I tell all of my friends/staff/colleagues to vote even if they have no faith. The more non believers/voters that spoil their papers or vote None could have a huge impact in the future. It is about spreading the word to the people that have no faith in any party to do this. | |||
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"I just hope they don't bang on about "the mess that Labour left" for another 5 years. " MNaybe so, but wasn't it widely said/acknowledged that the mess that Labour left will be paid for by our kids and even grandkids? Most likely will never be cleared up. | |||
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"I just hope they don't bang on about "the mess that Labour left" for another 5 years. " The note will be waved some more. The fact that it's a parliamentary tradition to leave a little jokey note for the next minister will continue to matter not a jot. | |||
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" No. That is what has happened and makes no difference. People need to vote and vote none of the above or spoil their paper. . I just don't get the go to the polling station and spoil the paper lark....that is not a vote at all." It's a vote for none, not an I can't be arsed or a 'they're all as bad as one another', it's a deliberate statement that you reject the choice presented to you. | |||
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"Oh dear...another five year's of this evil party trying to starve the disabled to death." | |||
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"I see the Farage has now said he may stand for reselection as ukip leader, slimey odious toad...you'd think the penny had dropped by now." He said that almost in the same breath as he confirmed his resignation. He's going on holiday for the summer and "may" (I read that as "will" when begged by the party) stand for re-selection. | |||
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"Best team won.... Didnt even go into extra time or penalties..... Get over it... "you won't say that if there's no NHS | |||
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"I see the Farage has now said he may stand for reselection as ukip leader, slimey odious toad...you'd think the penny had dropped by now. He said that almost in the same breath as he confirmed his resignation. He's going on holiday for the summer and "may" (I read that as "will" when begged by the party) stand for re-selection. " Carswell's got other ideas | |||
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"I see the Farage has now said he may stand for reselection as ukip leader, slimey odious toad...you'd think the penny had dropped by now. He said that almost in the same breath as he confirmed his resignation. He's going on holiday for the summer and "may" (I read that as "will" when begged by the party) stand for re-selection. Carswell's got other ideas" Good for him. He has some legitimacy to that crown as the only MP. | |||
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"Best team won.... Didnt even go into extra time or penalties..... Get over it...
you won't say that if there's no NHS"The NHS won't survive either way, unless some EXTREME measures are taken. Labour promise the Earth and the impossible with the NHS but they didn't get my vote as their promises were unrealistic. | |||
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"Best team won.... Didnt even go into extra time or penalties..... Get over it...
you won't say that if there's no NHS
The NHS won't survive either way, unless some EXTREME measures are taken.
Labour promise the Earth and the impossible with the NHS but they didn't get my vote as their promises were unrealistic."and david gave a speech about helping the poor outside of 10 downing street earlier, about upping jobs and helping those in need. lets see how that holds, lets see how much longer they can play the "it's labours" faults card, and see who gets your vote next year plus, PFI whatever but if the cons hadn't started destroying NHS this year it would have survived In one way it's great the Tories won, five more years in which their artificially inflated bubble has time to pop and even the most brainwashed supporter will be forced to acknowledge that their economic management of this country was wrong. After that they will be well and truly finished. The Big Lie can only sustain itself for a finite time.. | |||
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"Best team won.... Didnt even go into extra time or penalties..... Get over it...
you won't say that if there's no NHS
The NHS won't survive either way, unless some EXTREME measures are taken.
Labour promise the Earth and the impossible with the NHS but they didn't get my vote as their promises were unrealistic.
and david gave a speech about helping the poor outside of 10 downing street earlier, about upping jobs and helping those in need. lets see how that holds, lets see how much longer they can play the "it's labours" faults card, and see who gets your vote next year
plus, PFI whatever but if the cons hadn't started destroying NHS this year it would have survived
In one way it's great the Tories won, five more years in which their artificially inflated bubble has time to pop and even the most brainwashed supporter will be forced to acknowledge that their economic management of this country was wrong. After that they will be well and truly finished. The Big Lie can only sustain itself for a finite time.. "Labour spent three terms blaming the Tories. It's politics, live with it and move on. | |||
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"I cannot understand why only 65 % of the population voted - in other European counties this number is much higher, over 80%. What is the reason for this lack of engagement? " Apathy. | |||
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"I cannot understand why only 65 % of the population voted - in other European counties this number is much higher, over 80%. What is the reason for this lack of engagement? Apathy. "
More so in the working classes. | |||
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"I cannot understand why only 65 % of the population voted - in other European counties this number is much higher, over 80%. What is the reason for this lack of engagement? " Most of them probably don't trust politicians and the system | |||
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"I cannot understand why only 65 % of the population voted - in other European counties this number is much higher, over 80%. What is the reason for this lack of engagement? Apathy. " Where does the apathy stem from do you think? For me and all my family included extended family, my friends and aquaintances there is no such thing as not voting. It is almost considered a moral offense. | |||
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"I cannot understand why only 65 % of the population voted - in other European counties this number is much higher, over 80%. What is the reason for this lack of engagement? Apathy.
More so in the working classes."Exactly , and perhaps that's how the conservatives surprised everyone the way they did . Doesn't that speak volumes ? | |||
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"I cannot understand why only 65 % of the population voted - in other European counties this number is much higher, over 80%. What is the reason for this lack of engagement? Most of them probably don't trust politicians and the system" I can empathise with that to a degree and yet, I feel I could not "not vote". | |||
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"I cannot understand why only 65 % of the population voted - in other European counties this number is much higher, over 80%. What is the reason for this lack of engagement? Apathy.
More so in the working classes.
Exactly , and perhaps that's how the conservatives surprised everyone the way they did . Doesn't that speak volumes ? "Do you think if more people had participated it would have been in favour of Labour? | |||
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"... and david gave a speech about helping the poor outside of 10 downing street earlier, about upping jobs and helping those in need. lets see how that holds, lets see how much longer they can play the "it's labours" faults card, and see who gets your vote next year plus, PFI whatever but if the cons hadn't started destroying NHS this year it would have survived In one way it's great the Tories won, five more years in which their artificially inflated bubble has time to pop and even the most brainwashed supporter will be forced to acknowledge that their economic management of this country was wrong. After that they will be well and truly finished. The Big Lie can only sustain itself for a finite time.. " We get what we deserve, in some respects but the dismantling of the state, breaking the NHS etc, is too high a price to pay. We were once a great nation but that has been plundered for the benefit of the few. Myopic short term vision, economically illiterate / innumerate population and brainstorming propaganda that the nazis would have been proud of. Now its time for uncertainty, as the push for isolation via the referendum starts. The conservatives want out and in, so expect them to fester and investment here to further dry up. | |||
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"Best team won.... Didnt even go into extra time or penalties..... Get over it...
you won't say that if there's no NHS
The NHS won't survive either way, unless some EXTREME measures are taken.
Labour promise the Earth and the impossible with the NHS but they didn't get my vote as their promises were unrealistic."There was a question a wile ago about this on the forum . Everyone agreed the nhs was unsustainable whatever political leaning they had . It's far more likely to survive under a conservative government than any other | |||
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"I cannot understand why only 65 % of the population voted - in other European counties this number is much higher, over 80%. What is the reason for this lack of engagement? Apathy.
More so in the working classes.
Exactly , and perhaps that's how the conservatives surprised everyone the way they did . Doesn't that speak volumes ?
Do you think if more people had participated it would have been in favour of Labour? "Without a doubt , I am in retail and the amount of customers today who didn't bother voting , yet complain that the Tories got in is unbelievable ! | |||
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"It won't make any difference who is leader of what party next time... It's irrelevant. The Tories got in on the back of scare tactics with the SNP. In five years the economy will be so fucked they won't stand a chance of another term! By then the united kingdom will be over and it will be parliament for England, that genie was out of the bottle with the Scottish referendum" agreed | |||
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"I cannot understand why only 65 % of the population voted - in other European counties this number is much higher, over 80%. What is the reason for this lack of engagement? Apathy.
More so in the working classes.
Exactly , and perhaps that's how the conservatives surprised everyone the way they did . Doesn't that speak volumes ?
Do you think if more people had participated it would have been in favour of Labour?
Without a doubt , I am in retail and the amount of customers today who didn't bother voting , yet complain that the Tories got in is unbelievable !"This really puzzles me! Whatever side of the political spectrum you are - how can you complain about the outcome of an election when you have not bothered to vote? | |||
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"Best team won.... Didnt even go into extra time or penalties..... Get over it...
you won't say that if there's no NHS"Why don't you provide us with a source of information that shows the Conservative party are going to dismantle the NHS. You are doing nothing more than perpetuating a myth that has no truth in it at all. If anything Labour privatised parts of the NHS in their last term in office. That said, I would prefer it if any politician would lay out the truth of the long term unustainability of the NHS in its present form. | |||
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"It won't make any difference who is leader of what party next time... It's irrelevant. The Tories got in on the back of scare tactics with the SNP. In five years the economy will be so fucked they won't stand a chance of another term! By then the united kingdom will be over and it will be parliament for England, that genie was out of the bottle with the Scottish referendum" Back further than that, from the minute Holyrood opened it's doors | |||
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"Politics is brutal though isn't it? Some politicians I really dislike have lost their seats, but it must be such a horrendous thing to have it announced on tv in the middle of the night after you've been working your arse off, that you've been sacked from your job you've been doing for years and years. Look at Simon Hughes face for example. I almost felt sorry for Ed Balls. " Our estimation of Ed Balls went up today. The way he acepted defeat like a gentleman | |||
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i think thats enough to keep going!!! lol | |||
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"It won't make any difference who is leader of what party next time... It's irrelevant. The Tories got in on the back of scare tactics with the SNP. In five years the economy will be so fucked they won't stand a chance of another term! By then the united kingdom will be over and it will be parliament for England, that genie was out of the bottle with the Scottish referendum" Why don't you show some grace instead of being a sore loser. Like the other moonshine politician your ideologically unsound economic ideas have been rejected out of hand in this election. Of course, there is always the chance that everyone else is wrong whilst you are right. Here is a slightly different prediction. The socialist vote in Britain will now be split four ways, thereby reducing the possibility even further of a future Labour victory. The votes will be split as follows. 1) The Lib Dems now need to reinvent themselves as responsible socialists. 2) Labour has to decide if they need a step to the left to get Scotland back or a step to the right to win back English socialists 3) the Greens may have a chance of more seats with a bit of sleight of hand and a move to the centre left 4) the SNP will offer a hard brand of socialism in order to reinforce their need for separatism. The more right wing votes are split between the conservatives and UKIP but UKIP will fade away over the next three years as the EU referendum will end their raid on d'être. More so if Farage does not make a come back in September. The economy will not tank, why should it? We are going to get more of what we have been having and so it is likely that we will get more of what have been getting economically. More jobs, reducing deficit and international confidence in UK plc. Cameron will resign after the EU referendum and probably time it (if he can) for when the economy comes back into surplus. Boris will get the next Leaders job and win an overwhelming majority in 2020. The big election will be 2025 as that will be the end of the NHS lifespan. | |||
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"Best team won.... Didnt even go into extra time or penalties..... Get over it...
you won't say that if there's no NHS
The NHS won't survive either way, unless some EXTREME measures are taken.
Labour promise the Earth and the impossible with the NHS but they didn't get my vote as their promises were unrealistic.
There was a question a wile ago about this on the forum .
Everyone agreed the nhs was unsustainable whatever political leaning they had .
It's far more likely to survive under a conservative government than any other "We need to completely change the way we care from cradle to grave, as you say the NHS cannot carry on in the way it has, all the parties need to get together and look round the world to find the best way forward, nothing counted in or out, it just has to be a complete system that looks after people that need it, no more of this going to the quack with a cold, we need to start taking responsibility for ourselves not look to the government to do it, I know a chap in a wheel chair he is self employed and does a physical job for over 60 hrs a week if he can do it there is NO reason why anyone cant do some sort of work and have some self respect, people need help to help themselves not help to do feck all | |||
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