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The 'Official' Election 2015 Thread Part 4
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"There you go...." I preferred your "fill your boots" start to thread 2. "Away you go" would have been a decent start in a Ron Pickering type voice at the end of We are the Champions!  | |||
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"There you go.... I preferred your "fill your boots" start to thread 2. "Away you go" would have been a decent start in a Ron Pickering type voice at the end of We are the Champions! "
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"The left can be vile about the right and the right can be vile about the left. There's no argument to be won there, people of all political persuasions throw insults at each other. " That's not what Fabs Tories seem to think though, is it? | |||
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"The left can be vile about the right and the right can be vile about the left. There's no argument to be won there, people of all political persuasions throw insults at each other. That's not what Fabs Tories seem to think though, is it?" You really are a sore loser. | |||
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"As it got cut off, here is a lovely example of Tories being vile about the left, for those who can't believe that they ever do it, because they are such well-mannered people: http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/361678 Choice quotes, illustrating the civilised way with which Tories conduct themselves on here, in comparison to the 'vile' left! I rue the day I gave him some gold to sell. he gave it away for free the dum bastard. Be nice to the cunt, he did after all save the world's financial systems from meltdown. Not that the cunt was largely responsible. Did i say he was a twat? Leave him alone ffs!!! Isn't it enough that he looks like a Scrotum that someone drew a face on?? he is nothing but a scumbag stole our pensions sold the gold reserves,, for pennies and worst of all scaremongered the pensioners in the referendum all for a seat on the gravy train that is the house of lords which he will get soon,just another pig in the trough mp The best of British! "An attack on one person not the whole electorate. | |||
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"The left can be vile about the right and the right can be vile about the left. There's no argument to be won there, people of all political persuasions throw insults at each other. That's not what Fabs Tories seem to think though, is it?" I don't know. It's what I think though, and yes I'm one of them there Conservative voters. Doesn't mean I am going to insult any of you, and I don't expect to be insulted in return. | |||
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"As it got cut off, here is a lovely example of Tories being vile about the left, for those who can't believe that they ever do it, because they are such well-mannered people: http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/361678 Choice quotes, illustrating the civilised way with which Tories conduct themselves on here, in comparison to the 'vile' left! I rue the day I gave him some gold to sell. he gave it away for free the dum bastard. Be nice to the cunt, he did after all save the world's financial systems from meltdown. Not that the cunt was largely responsible. Did i say he was a twat? Leave him alone ffs!!! Isn't it enough that he looks like a Scrotum that someone drew a face on?? he is nothing but a scumbag stole our pensions sold the gold reserves,, for pennies and worst of all scaremongered the pensioners in the referendum all for a seat on the gravy train that is the house of lords which he will get soon,just another pig in the trough mp The best of British!
An attack on one person not the whole electorate. "Yes, your blinkers are firmly attached, well done! 'It's not vile if we do it.' | |||
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"There was also this gem from MrandMrsPolk: 'So they don't want to stand up and be counted type of thing? Why would anyone give too hoots what others think if you are a Conservative? But they have stood up and been counted. The election result shows this. When someone is calling you stupid scum isn't it easier to just not answer a pollster than run the risk of being verbally attacked.' You seem to be unaware that pollsters do not usually verbally attack the people that they are polling. The reason that Tories are 'shy' towards pollsters is that they know they are acting in a naked and shamefully self-interested way, disregarding the needs of anyone other than themselves, and they are rightly embarrassed to admit it in polite society. Nothing more, nothing less." Why dont you go and sit outside, have a coffee and look at nature in the full bloom of Spring. Chill, look at the bigger picture - the UK akways has and always will inhabit the middle ground. Take it easy, take a bit of time out and remember that this morning people are getting diagnosed with terminal diseases, people are dying in wars all over the world. Your life, our life - it is not that bad in the greater scheme of things. | |||
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"The reason that Tories are 'shy' towards pollsters is that they know they are acting in a naked and shamefully self-interested way, disregarding the needs of anyone other than themselves, and they are rightly embarrassed to admit it in polite society. Nothing more, nothing less." Well I think we can agree to disagree. You're clearly set in your beliefs of the kind of people Tory supporters are and no reasonable justification is going to change your mind. | |||
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"In answer to a question on Part 3....there has been abuse on both sides on Election threads...be it to posters or MP's "Fancy a morning shag?  | |||
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"Edwalu, you are right to highlight some of the comments you have. I don't doubt that politicians of all sides come in for a fair bit of stick, and we could find some equally unappetising coments about Cameron, Clegg and Farage. The difference is that you consistently attack Fab members for failing to share your views. There has been a lot of educated debate and a really good exchange of views with virtually everyone behaving in a grown up way. You might just want to reflect on that. " Key word there, "virtually". Unfortunately there have been notable exceptions.  | |||
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"There was also this gem from MrandMrsPolk: 'So they don't want to stand up and be counted type of thing? Why would anyone give too hoots what others think if you are a Conservative? But they have stood up and been counted. The election result shows this. When someone is calling you stupid scum isn't it easier to just not answer a pollster than run the risk of being verbally attacked.' You seem to be unaware that pollsters do not usually verbally attack the people that they are polling. The reason that Tories are 'shy' towards pollsters is that they know they are acting in a naked and shamefully self-interested way, disregarding the needs of anyone other than themselves, and they are rightly embarrassed to admit it in polite society. Nothing more, nothing less." I know pollsters don't attack people they are polling. They also don't criticise people for their choice. But unfortunately other people do , as illustrated above. | |||
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"The left can be vile about the right and the right can be vile about the left. There's no argument to be won there, people of all political persuasions throw insults at each other. That's not what Fabs Tories seem to think though, is it?" Being one of Fabs tories , I haven't been vile to anyone . Nor have I insulted anyone | |||
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"In answer to a question on Part 3....there has been abuse on both sides on Election threads...be it to posters or MP's
Fancy a morning shag? "Just let me go shower first....be nice you lot while I am away showering for my morning shag off Ben | |||
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"Edwalu, you are right to highlight some of the comments you have. I don't doubt that politicians of all sides come in for a fair bit of stick, and we could find some equally unappetising coments about Cameron, Clegg and Farage. The difference is that you consistently attack Fab members for failing to share your views. There has been a lot of educated debate and a really good exchange of views with virtually everyone behaving in a grown up way. You might just want to reflect on that. " You seem to forget that Fab's premiere Tory champion, Too-Sexy, regularly refers to people who vote Labour as 'ill-educated', 'lazy', 'jealous', 'stupid'...continue ad infinitum. Of course, you are fine with that, because they are Tories. Or can you point to a post where you have criticised them for doing so, rather than applauding? | |||
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"I think you missed my point Mr Polk on the other thread, you said people were wary of saying they were Conservative voters because people might give them stick.....I asked are people not big enough to stand up for what they believe? Personally for me what I vote for is my business and mine alone but if I wanted to broadcast it I wouldn't be put off by other peoples views of it." But maybe people aren't as strong as you. Something obviously went wrong in the polls. | |||
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"Edwalu, you are right to highlight some of the comments you have. I don't doubt that politicians of all sides come in for a fair bit of stick, and we could find some equally unappetising coments about Cameron, Clegg and Farage. The difference is that you consistently attack Fab members for failing to share your views. There has been a lot of educated debate and a really good exchange of views with virtually everyone behaving in a grown up way. You might just want to reflect on that. You seem to forget that Fab's premiere Tory champion, Too-Sexy, regularly refers to people who vote Labour as 'ill-educated', 'lazy', 'jealous', 'stupid'...continue ad infinitum. Of course, you are fine with that, because they are Tories. Or can you point to a post where you have criticised them for doing so, rather than applauding?" *Too hot, not Too sexy! Here they are now, they can no doubt justify it themselves. | |||
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"As it got cut off, here is a lovely example of Tories being vile about the left, for those who can't believe that they ever do it, because they are such well-mannered people: http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/361678 Choice quotes, illustrating the civilised way with which Tories conduct themselves on here, in comparison to the 'vile' left! I rue the day I gave him some gold to sell. he gave it away for free the dum bastard. Be nice to the cunt, he did after all save the world's financial systems from meltdown. Not that the cunt was largely responsible. Did i say he was a twat? Leave him alone ffs!!! Isn't it enough that he looks like a Scrotum that someone drew a face on?? he is nothing but a scumbag stole our pensions sold the gold reserves,, for pennies and worst of all scaremongered the pensioners in the referendum all for a seat on the gravy train that is the house of lords which he will get soon,just another pig in the trough mp The best of British!
An attack on one person not the whole electorate.
Yes, your blinkers are firmly attached, well done!
'It's not vile if we do it.' "Do you know the person making those comments was a Tory , or a UKIPer or possibly a disgruntled labour supporter. | |||
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"There was also this gem from MrandMrsPolk: 'So they don't want to stand up and be counted type of thing? Why would anyone give too hoots what others think if you are a Conservative? But they have stood up and been counted. The election result shows this. When someone is calling you stupid scum isn't it easier to just not answer a pollster than run the risk of being verbally attacked.' You seem to be unaware that pollsters do not usually verbally attack the people that they are polling. The reason that Tories are 'shy' towards pollsters is that they know they are acting in a naked and shamefully self-interested way, disregarding the needs of anyone other than themselves, and they are rightly embarrassed to admit it in polite society. Nothing more, nothing less. I know pollsters don't attack people they are polling. They also don't criticise people for their choice. But unfortunately other people do , as illustrated above. " And how would that affect someone answering a pollster? Presumably they don't check Fab to see what people are saying before answering. | |||
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"As it got cut off, here is a lovely example of Tories being vile about the left, for those who can't believe that they ever do it, because they are such well-mannered people: http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/361678 Choice quotes, illustrating the civilised way with which Tories conduct themselves on here, in comparison to the 'vile' left! I rue the day I gave him some gold to sell. he gave it away for free the dum bastard. Be nice to the cunt, he did after all save the world's financial systems from meltdown. Not that the cunt was largely responsible. Did i say he was a twat? Leave him alone ffs!!! Isn't it enough that he looks like a Scrotum that someone drew a face on?? he is nothing but a scumbag stole our pensions sold the gold reserves,, for pennies and worst of all scaremongered the pensioners in the referendum all for a seat on the gravy train that is the house of lords which he will get soon,just another pig in the trough mp The best of British!
An attack on one person not the whole electorate.
Yes, your blinkers are firmly attached, well done!
'It's not vile if we do it.'
Do you know the person making those comments was a Tory , or a UKIPer or possibly a disgruntled labour supporter.
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"Edwalu, you are right to highlight some of the comments you have. I don't doubt that politicians of all sides come in for a fair bit of stick, and we could find some equally unappetising coments about Cameron, Clegg and Farage. The difference is that you consistently attack Fab members for failing to share your views. There has been a lot of educated debate and a really good exchange of views with virtually everyone behaving in a grown up way. You might just want to reflect on that. You seem to forget that Fab's premiere Tory champion, Too-Sexy, regularly refers to people who vote Labour as 'ill-educated', 'lazy', 'jealous', 'stupid'...continue ad infinitum. Of course, you are fine with that, because they are Tories. Or can you point to a post where you have criticised them for doing so, rather than applauding?" I focus on what I say and how I say it  As pointed out "virtually" was the key word, it does nothing for anyone when the debate deteriorates into schoolground name calling. You come across as incredibly bright, and I enjoy your thought provoking contributions. As I said, reflect on the other stuff | |||
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"I think you missed my point Mr Polk on the other thread, you said people were wary of saying they were Conservative voters because people might give them stick.....I asked are people not big enough to stand up for what they believe? Personally for me what I vote for is my business and mine alone but if I wanted to broadcast it I wouldn't be put off by other peoples views of it. But maybe people aren't as strong as you. Something obviously went wrong in the polls. " Maybe yes. Something big went wrong in the polls....OR the polls were not reported correctly. The cynic in me would say the latter. | |||
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"There was also this gem from MrandMrsPolk: 'So they don't want to stand up and be counted type of thing? Why would anyone give too hoots what others think if you are a Conservative? But they have stood up and been counted. The election result shows this. When someone is calling you stupid scum isn't it easier to just not answer a pollster than run the risk of being verbally attacked.' You seem to be unaware that pollsters do not usually verbally attack the people that they are polling. The reason that Tories are 'shy' towards pollsters is that they know they are acting in a naked and shamefully self-interested way, disregarding the needs of anyone other than themselves, and they are rightly embarrassed to admit it in polite society. Nothing more, nothing less. I know pollsters don't attack people they are polling. They also don't criticise people for their choice. But unfortunately other people do , as illustrated above. And how would that affect someone answering a pollster? Presumably they don't check Fab to see what people are saying before answering." What has checking Fab got to do with it ? It is the language of the far left , not just the left in Fab. | |||
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"Edwalu, you are right to highlight some of the comments you have. I don't doubt that politicians of all sides come in for a fair bit of stick, and we could find some equally unappetising coments about Cameron, Clegg and Farage. The difference is that you consistently attack Fab members for failing to share your views. There has been a lot of educated debate and a really good exchange of views with virtually everyone behaving in a grown up way. You might just want to reflect on that. You seem to forget that Fab's premiere Tory champion, Too-Sexy, regularly refers to people who vote Labour as 'ill-educated', 'lazy', 'jealous', 'stupid'...continue ad infinitum. Of course, you are fine with that, because they are Tories. Or can you point to a post where you have criticised them for doing so, rather than applauding? I focus on what I say and how I say it As pointed out "virtually" was the key word, it does nothing for anyone when the debate deteriorates into schoolground name calling. You come across as incredibly bright, and I enjoy your thought provoking contributions. As I said, reflect on the other stuff "It would be churlish not to accept the compliment, so thanks! This is indeed a time for reflection...before checking for possible emigration destinations! | |||
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"There was also this gem from MrandMrsPolk: 'So they don't want to stand up and be counted type of thing? Why would anyone give too hoots what others think if you are a Conservative? But they have stood up and been counted. The election result shows this. When someone is calling you stupid scum isn't it easier to just not answer a pollster than run the risk of being verbally attacked.' You seem to be unaware that pollsters do not usually verbally attack the people that they are polling. The reason that Tories are 'shy' towards pollsters is that they know they are acting in a naked and shamefully self-interested way, disregarding the needs of anyone other than themselves, and they are rightly embarrassed to admit it in polite society. Nothing more, nothing less. I know pollsters don't attack people they are polling. They also don't criticise people for their choice. But unfortunately other people do , as illustrated above. And how would that affect someone answering a pollster? Presumably they don't check Fab to see what people are saying before answering. What has checking Fab got to do with it ? It is the language of the far left , not just the left in Fab. " You are suggesting that it is the attitudes of people away from the pollsters (in places such as Fab) that intimidates Tory voters into not admitting their views in public to a pollster. | |||
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"First Chelsea and now the Conservatives......life is good. KTBFFH " | |||
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"Farage has lost. Yippeeeeeeee" Wow.... David Cameron will have ousted three political leaders in a single election. That has to be a record. | |||
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"There was also this gem from MrandMrsPolk: 'So they don't want to stand up and be counted type of thing? Why would anyone give too hoots what others think if you are a Conservative? But they have stood up and been counted. The election result shows this. When someone is calling you stupid scum isn't it easier to just not answer a pollster than run the risk of being verbally attacked.' You seem to be unaware that pollsters do not usually verbally attack the people that they are polling. The reason that Tories are 'shy' towards pollsters is that they know they are acting in a naked and shamefully self-interested way, disregarding the needs of anyone other than themselves, and they are rightly embarrassed to admit it in polite society. Nothing more, nothing less. I know pollsters don't attack people they are polling. They also don't criticise people for their choice. But unfortunately other people do , as illustrated above. And how would that affect someone answering a pollster? Presumably they don't check Fab to see what people are saying before answering. What has checking Fab got to do with it ? It is the language of the far left , not just the left in Fab. You are suggesting that it is the attitudes of people away from the pollsters (in places such as Fab) that intimidates Tory voters into not admitting their views in public to a pollster." I'm suggesting something went wrong in the polls, you said it was because tory's were embarrassed. I'm suggesting it was because Tory voters would rather not say. We could both be wrong, but I wasn't insulting. | |||
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"16,076 for Garage but Conservatives 18k. Yay! Farage didn't get his seat. " Bless...there is a God | |||
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"There you go.... I preferred your "fill your boots" start to thread 2. "Away you go" would have been a decent start in a Ron Pickering type voice at the end of We are the Champions! "Gladiators...ready! | |||
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"The turnout all over seems to have been pretty high. Something everyone can hopefully agree is a good thing for politics?! " | |||
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"16,076 for Garage but Conservatives 18k. Yay! Farage didn't get his seat. Bless...there is a God" Indeed there is and his creation is gooood!! | |||
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"The turnout all over seems to have been pretty high. Something everyone can hopefully agree is a good thing for politics?! " I care what people vote but I care much more that they actually do vote. Now for those calling each other names and fighting about who said what it's time to stop for a moment and accept the new reality. AV/PR is the new UKIP campaign, I guess. | |||
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"The turnout all over seems to have been pretty high. Something everyone can hopefully agree is a good thing for politics?! " Agreed, I think it's a shame that Farage will not be in the house, nothing to do with his politics but everything to do with stirring things up and keeping the other parties on their toes. | |||
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"The turnout all over seems to have been pretty high. Something everyone can hopefully agree is a good thing for politics?! I care what people vote but I care much more that they actually do vote. Now for those calling each other names and fighting about who said what it's time to stop for a moment and accept the new reality. AV/PR is the new UKIP campaign, I guess. " We had a lot of spoiled ballots, people writing "none of the above!" and the like, so at least they turned out to vote even they didn't feel they could vote for any of the candidates. Didn't see as many cock and balls drawings as expected. | |||
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"Edwalu, you are right to highlight some of the comments you have. I don't doubt that politicians of all sides come in for a fair bit of stick, and we could find some equally unappetising coments about Cameron, Clegg and Farage. The difference is that you consistently attack Fab members for failing to share your views. There has been a lot of educated debate and a really good exchange of views with virtually everyone behaving in a grown up way. You might just want to reflect on that. You seem to forget that Fab's premiere Tory champion, Too-Sexy, regularly refers to people who vote Labour as 'ill-educated', 'lazy', 'jealous', 'stupid'...continue ad infinitum. Of course, you are fine with that, because they are Tories. Or can you point to a post where you have criticised them for doing so, rather than applauding? I focus on what I say and how I say it As pointed out "virtually" was the key word, it does nothing for anyone when the debate deteriorates into schoolground name calling. You come across as incredibly bright, and I enjoy your thought provoking contributions. As I said, reflect on the other stuff
It would be churlish not to accept the compliment, so thanks! This is indeed a time for reflection...before checking for possible emigration destinations!" Good luck, I am sure people will point out some of the obvious potential destinations! | |||
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"So three leadership contests on the cards then" The Labour one will be particularly interesting. A David Miliband return from the U.S. had been muttered about for 2020-ish in some circles. | |||
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"Edwalu, you are right to highlight some of the comments you have. I don't doubt that politicians of all sides come in for a fair bit of stick, and we could find some equally unappetising coments about Cameron, Clegg and Farage. The difference is that you consistently attack Fab members for failing to share your views. There has been a lot of educated debate and a really good exchange of views with virtually everyone behaving in a grown up way. You might just want to reflect on that. You seem to forget that Fab's premiere Tory champion, Too-Sexy, regularly refers to people who vote Labour as 'ill-educated', 'lazy', 'jealous', 'stupid'...continue ad infinitum. Of course, you are fine with that, because they are Tories. Or can you point to a post where you have criticised them for doing so, rather than applauding? I focus on what I say and how I say it As pointed out "virtually" was the key word, it does nothing for anyone when the debate deteriorates into schoolground name calling. You come across as incredibly bright, and I enjoy your thought provoking contributions. As I said, reflect on the other stuff
It would be churlish not to accept the compliment, so thanks! This is indeed a time for reflection...before checking for possible emigration destinations!
Good luck, I am sure people will point out some of the obvious potential destinations! "The people's Republic of Cornwall wouldn't be too much of a relocation. But I don't know which way they voted. | |||
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"The turnout all over seems to have been pretty high. Something everyone can hopefully agree is a good thing for politics?! " From the beacon of decency here in Bristol, not really. It means you just look out at the rest of the country, and shake your head in disbelief. If people are going to go to the polls purely to register the fact that they are unconcerned about the lives of their fellow men and women, I'd rather they stayed at home watching Sky, frankly. | |||
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"The turnout all over seems to have been pretty high. Something everyone can hopefully agree is a good thing for politics?! From the beacon of decency here in Bristol, not really. It means you just look out at the rest of the country, and shake your head in disbelief. If people are going to go to the polls purely to register the fact that they are unconcerned about the lives of their fellow men and women, I'd rather they stayed at home watching Sky, frankly." You're really not covering yourself in glory here today you know. | |||
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"The turnout all over seems to have been pretty high. Something everyone can hopefully agree is a good thing for politics?! From the beacon of decency here in Bristol, not really. It means you just look out at the rest of the country, and shake your head in disbelief. If people are going to go to the polls purely to register the fact that they are unconcerned about the lives of their fellow men and women, I'd rather they stayed at home watching Sky, frankly. You're really not covering yourself in glory here today you know. " I am sure I can live with that! | |||
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"The turnout all over seems to have been pretty high. Something everyone can hopefully agree is a good thing for politics?! From the beacon of decency here in Bristol, not really. It means you just look out at the rest of the country, and shake your head in disbelief. If people are going to go to the polls purely to register the fact that they are unconcerned about the lives of their fellow men and women, I'd rather they stayed at home watching Sky, frankly." That is the daftest thing you have uttered in type on here. Voting is a hard fought for right and declaring the vote can only be used in one way is just wrong on every level. | |||
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Facts don't come into politics people have entrenched views hence why 500 seats never swap allegiance, everybody in politics knows it and that's why they only try targeting the tiny small % of people who are swinger's | |||
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"I think labour got the best result they could have hoped for! And I'll tell you why, they got beat but they didn't get annihilated and the Tories will have to find a solution for the mess their first term has created. In five years time the Tories will be as popular as warts once the housing and stock market crash back into recession and they won't be able to blame the previous labour government, I honestly think the high command of the labour party didn't want to win this election and got the result they wanted secretly. The lib dems will cease to even be a party as I said pre election they would be wiped out. For us the greens it's great news as two party politics will be seen for the charades of what it is?. As for name calling well everybody throws it around and the greens get more than anyone, we plug away anyway because we're in it for the right reasons even if we're not playing the notes in the right order .
Facts don't come into politics people have entrenched views hence why 500 seats never swap allegiance, everybody in politics knows it and that's why they only try targeting the tiny small % of people who are swinger's "I agree that there will have been Labourites hoping to lose this one so that they can prepare for the next one. The BoJo bounce next time needs to be factored into their plans though. | |||
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"I think labour got the best result they could have hoped for! And I'll tell you why, they got beat but they didn't get annihilated and the Tories will have to find a solution for the mess their first term has created. In five years time the Tories will be as popular as warts once the housing and stock market crash back into recession and they won't be able to blame the previous labour government, I honestly think the high command of the labour party didn't want to win this election and got the result they wanted secretly. The lib dems will cease to even be a party as I said pre election they would be wiped out. For us the greens it's great news as two party politics will be seen for the charades of what it is?. As for name calling well everybody throws it around and the greens get more than anyone, we plug away anyway because we're in it for the right reasons even if we're not playing the notes in the right order .
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"The turnout all over seems to have been pretty high. Something everyone can hopefully agree is a good thing for politics?! From the beacon of decency here in Bristol, not really. It means you just look out at the rest of the country, and shake your head in disbelief. If people are going to go to the polls purely to register the fact that they are unconcerned about the lives of their fellow men and women, I'd rather they stayed at home watching Sky, frankly." That ^^ doesn't even make sense!! | |||
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"The turnout all over seems to have been pretty high. Something everyone can hopefully agree is a good thing for politics?! From the beacon of decency here in Bristol, not really. It means you just look out at the rest of the country, and shake your head in disbelief. If people are going to go to the polls purely to register the fact that they are unconcerned about the lives of their fellow men and women, I'd rather they stayed at home watching Sky, frankly. That ^^ doesn't even make sense!!" Try reading it more slowly then. | |||
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"The turnout all over seems to have been pretty high. Something everyone can hopefully agree is a good thing for politics?! From the beacon of decency here in Bristol, not really. It means you just look out at the rest of the country, and shake your head in disbelief. If people are going to go to the polls purely to register the fact that they are unconcerned about the lives of their fellow men and women, I'd rather they stayed at home watching Sky, frankly." Oh dear , the world must seem like a very nasty place from your perspective | |||
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"Are you joking? I live in Bristol. It's no accident that this is the most popular city in the country. life for us is amazing! "Too many roundabouts. | |||
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"That was a good speech by Jim Murphy. Does the Scottish Labour Party leader need to be an MP with a Scottish seat though?" Or an MSP. | |||
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"That was a good speech by Jim Murphy. Does the Scottish Labour Party leader need to be an MP with a Scottish seat though? Or an MSP." Ah of course. Was thinking it was a bit cut and dried otherwise! | |||
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"Farage is the first to resign!" He did say he would so that's go. But he's saying he might put himself forward again. He's going to go for London Mayor. | |||
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"Farage is the first to resign! He did say he would so that's go. But he's saying he might put himself forward again. He's going to go for London Mayor." Likes the sound of his own voice! ...and loosing. | |||
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"Farage resigns as leader" When is a resignation not a resignation? When you are resigned to having a holiday. | |||
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"Farage resigns as leader When is a resignation not a resignation? When you are resigned to having a holiday." I'm resigning today, for the weekend. I'll be back at work on Monday though. | |||
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"I think labour got the best result they could have hoped for! And I'll tell you why, they got beat but they didn't get annihilated and the Tories will have to find a solution for the mess their first term has created. In five years time the Tories will be as popular as warts once the housing and stock market crash back into recession and they won't be able to blame the previous labour government, I honestly think the high command of the labour party didn't want to win this election and got the result they wanted secretly. The lib dems will cease to even be a party as I said pre election they would be wiped out. For us the greens it's great news as two party politics will be seen for the charades of what it is?. As for name calling well everybody throws it around and the greens get more than anyone, we plug away anyway because we're in it for the right reasons even if we're not playing the notes in the right order .
Facts don't come into politics people have entrenched views hence why 500 seats never swap allegiance, everybody in politics knows it and that's why they only try targeting the tiny small % of people who are swinger's "Nice try but..... 1) Cameron is an unpopular conservative leader and will be replaced in four years by a new leader. He has already said as much. That new leader may well be much more popular than Cameron. 2) If Farage resigns, UKIP support will likely evaporate over the next five years and will likely reward the conservatives for the EU referendum whichever way it goes. 3) Labour need to deal with an almost impossible conundrum of being perceived as not being left wing enough in Scotland and being too left wing in England. That is going to be tough to deal with in just a couple of years. | |||
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"Nick Clegg has resigned too" OK, I admit it. Your avatar distracted me from your post lol | |||
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"Nick Clegg has resigned too" on a lighter note may i just say you have magnificent breasts... | |||
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"Nick Clegg has resigned too OK, I admit it. Your avatar distracted me from your post lol" 'kin ell Too Hot, we share c ommon ground.. | |||
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"Good speech by Clegg as well. They're all pulling it out the bag with their defeat speeches much more than they ever did during the campaigns. " It would have been nice if they were this civil while canvassing. It has been a dirty campaign by some people | |||
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" 1) Cameron is an unpopular conservative leader and will be replaced in four years by a new leader. He has already said as much. That new leader may well be much more popular than Cameron. " Not sure that is true. He said he would only serve 2 full terms as leader, which means he would step down sometime after the 2020 general election. Potentially he could still be leader for more than 9 more years. | |||
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"A disappointing result in my view. But I did say a few times how a Tory majority would probably be the quickest way to get them out of office for a generation in 2020. Everytime I hear complaints about politics now I can cheerily say - "that's the Tories for you". The EU referendum is going to be a nail biter too now that English nationalism is going full steam. " An excellent result in my opinion , and when the tories elect Boris in to replace Cameron , they will win by even more next time | |||
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"A disappointing result in my view. But I did say a few times how a Tory majority would probably be the quickest way to get them out of office for a generation in 2020. Everytime I hear complaints about politics now I can cheerily say - "that's the Tories for you". The EU referendum is going to be a nail biter too now that English nationalism is going full steam. An excellent result in my opinion , and when the tories elect Boris in to replace Cameron , they will win by even more next time "I don't think so. Boris is a joke | |||
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"I think labour got the best result they could have hoped for! And I'll tell you why, they got beat but they didn't get annihilated and the Tories will have to find a solution for the mess their first term has created. In five years time the Tories will be as popular as warts once the housing and stock market crash back into recession and they won't be able to blame the previous labour government, I honestly think the high command of the labour party didn't want to win this election and got the result they wanted secretly. The lib dems will cease to even be a party as I said pre election they would be wiped out. For us the greens it's great news as two party politics will be seen for the charades of what it is?. As for name calling well everybody throws it around and the greens get more than anyone, we plug away anyway because we're in it for the right reasons even if we're not playing the notes in the right order .
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1) Cameron is an unpopular conservative leader and will be replaced in four years by a new leader. He has already said as much. That new leader may well be much more popular than Cameron.
2) If Farage resigns, UKIP support will likely evaporate over the next five years and will likely reward the conservatives for the EU referendum whichever way it goes.
3) Labour need to deal with an almost impossible conundrum of being perceived as not being left wing enough in Scotland and being too left wing in England. That is going to be tough to deal with in just a couple of years. "Leaders don't make a difference in reality people vote for their pocket, Johnson or may or another Tory will find it difficult to get popular once peoples pockets get hit and their really going to get hit in the next five years. What could possibly save the Tories except another war... Nothing | |||
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"A disappointing result in my view. But I did say a few times how a Tory majority would probably be the quickest way to get them out of office for a generation in 2020. Everytime I hear complaints about politics now I can cheerily say - "that's the Tories for you". The EU referendum is going to be a nail biter too now that English nationalism is going full steam. An excellent result in my opinion , and when the tories elect Boris in to replace Cameron , they will win by even more next time "Wouldn't surprise me one bit if England voted for an intrinsic homophobe en masse. | |||
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"God save us. Also don't understand how less than 236 is a majority" Presumably you means 326 - not 236? They are going to get that anyway. Not by much but it is still a victory that was unexpected, not predicted and all the more welcome. | |||
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"God save us. Also don't understand how less than 236 is a majority" Err, 326 you mean? Then it's just maths when it's reached.... | |||
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"I think labour got the best result they could have hoped for! And I'll tell you why, they got beat but they didn't get annihilated and the Tories will have to find a solution for the mess their first term has created. In five years time the Tories will be as popular as warts once the housing and stock market crash back into recession and they won't be able to blame the previous labour government, I honestly think the high command of the labour party didn't want to win this election and got the result they wanted secretly. The lib dems will cease to even be a party as I said pre election they would be wiped out. For us the greens it's great news as two party politics will be seen for the charades of what it is?. As for name calling well everybody throws it around and the greens get more than anyone, we plug away anyway because we're in it for the right reasons even if we're not playing the notes in the right order .
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1) Cameron is an unpopular conservative leader and will be replaced in four years by a new leader. He has already said as much. That new leader may well be much more popular than Cameron.
2) If Farage resigns, UKIP support will likely evaporate over the next five years and will likely reward the conservatives for the EU referendum whichever way it goes.
3) Labour need to deal with an almost impossible conundrum of being perceived as not being left wing enough in Scotland and being too left wing in England. That is going to be tough to deal with in just a couple of years.
Leaders don't make a difference in reality people vote for their pocket, Johnson or may or another Tory will find it difficult to get popular once peoples pockets get hit and their really going to get hit in the next five years.
What could possibly save the Tories except another war... Nothing"People are selfish. It is human nature. Most people would rather pay less tax and get the choice as to what to spend their money on rather than hand over wads of cash to labour politicians who, throughout history have been unable to manage the books - even in boom times they could not balance the books. My prediction is that there will be more tax cuts for everyone and a tightening of the noose on welfare. I think that by 2020 welfare dependancy for the fit and healthy will be a thing of the past and we will live in a country where once again, it will pay to be ambitious and successful in life. Labour have too many issues to address to make a meaningful fist of it in five years time as they can't resolve their Scotland and UK problems at the same time. | |||
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"It'll be interesting to see what the popular vote is. The Tories now have much to lose from election reform - yet UKIP will be demanding it (unless the EU vote placates them). " With one seat they won't have much of a voice, but I guess that will become the new party line. | |||
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"It'll be interesting to see what the popular vote is. The Tories now have much to lose from election reform - yet UKIP will be demanding it (unless the EU vote placates them). With one seat they won't have much of a voice, but I guess that will become the new party line. " They may only have 1 seat but they are anything but quiet. | |||
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"God save us. Also don't understand how less than 236 is a majority" Apart from the fact that the 4 Sinn Fein members do not attend the House of Commons or vote and the Speaker does not have a vote. There are 650 MPs take divide by two gives 325 take away the speaker that gives 324 take away the 4 Sinn Fein membersa that gives 320. Therefore the government only needs 321 MPs to win every vote if every government MP votes along the party line. The Conservatives currently have 325 MPs so in effect they have a majority, however if the Sinn Fein members do come to Parliament then the Conservatives need one more MP. There are currently about 9 or 10 seats left to declare | |||
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"It'll be interesting to see what the popular vote is. The Tories now have much to lose from election reform - yet UKIP will be demanding it (unless the EU vote placates them). With one seat they won't have much of a voice, but I guess that will become the new party line. They may only have 1 seat but they are anything but quiet. "Farage is a character, which is the only reason they've got this far. He surprised himself with the amount of media coverage he got! Without him they'll fade away. | |||
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"It'll be interesting to see what the popular vote is. The Tories now have much to lose from election reform - yet UKIP will be demanding it (unless the EU vote placates them). With one seat they won't have much of a voice, but I guess that will become the new party line. They may only have 1 seat but they are anything but quiet.
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"God save us. Also don't understand how less than 236 is a majority" Because Sinn Fein don't take their seats, the speaker doesn't vote... They need 326 and they will have that and a few spare, just in case. | |||
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" People are selfish. It is human nature. Most people would rather pay less tax and get the choice as to what to spend their money on rather than hand over wads of cash to labour politicians who, throughout history have been unable to manage the books - even in boom times they could not balance the books. My prediction is that there will be more tax cuts for everyone and a tightening of the noose on welfare. I think that by 2020 welfare dependancy for the fit and healthy will be a thing of the past and we will live in a country where once again, it will pay to be ambitious and successful in life. " Yet another chilling insight into the average Tory mind. | |||
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" People are selfish. It is human nature. Most people would rather pay less tax and get the choice as to what to spend their money on rather than hand over wads of cash to labour politicians who, throughout history have been unable to manage the books - even in boom times they could not balance the books. My prediction is that there will be more tax cuts for everyone and a tightening of the noose on welfare. I think that by 2020 welfare dependancy for the fit and healthy will be a thing of the past and we will live in a country where once again, it will pay to be ambitious and successful in life. Yet another chilling insight into the average Tory mind." And there you have it. The type of politics where the fit and healthy should be dependant on state handouts instead of being ambitious and determined to make their own successful lives. My vision has been elected, yours has been blown away into the long grass. | |||
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"Ed should never have been leader. Wonder if labour will reconsider their leadership election rules." I was wondering that. Harriet will have to step into the breach once more and oversee another election. I'd like to see Cooper as leader but it won't happen so I'll go for Chuka. | |||
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"Ed should never have been leader. Wonder if labour will reconsider their leadership election rules." Probably not, they'll say "we need to listen to what the public are telling us". Which is short for "We can't understand why the public don't like what we choose." | |||
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Now all Cameron needs to do is follow up on his EU referendum pledge.
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"Apart from the selfish bit i think that's an excellent summation . "I don't like the word selfish but unfortunately it is human nature to consider self interest first. Mankind has survived for thousands of years because we are programmed to protect our own self interest. | |||
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"Socialism in England is dead. Lib Dems - smashed, Labour defeated. What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? Bye bye En n Ed " If you confine socialism to out-of-work benefits then yes - but lets see if they touch the NHS, state education, pensions and pensioner benefits, childcare vouchers and working tax credits. | |||
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"Ed should never have been leader. Wonder if labour will reconsider their leadership election rules. I was wondering that. Harriet will have to step into the breach once more and oversee another election. I'd like to see Cooper as leader but it won't happen so I'll go for Chuka. " I think either of them would work for the party in England, but not for their Scottish problem since the SNP made so much play of the 'Westminster elite' jibes. | |||
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"The question now is will the Labour party tear themselves apart with infighting or will they quickly elect a new leader and sort themselves out?" I think labour will implode, they have been completely embarrassed. | |||
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"What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? " And there you have it, as predicted, you have illustrated for the more blinkered among your compatriots that the Tories hold all the cards when it comes to being vile. Now, who was it on here who said that they had never heard any Tory being rude or vile about people on the left? Or have you gone all shy again? | |||
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"Ed should never have been leader. Wonder if labour will reconsider their leadership election rules. I was wondering that. Harriet will have to step into the breach once more and oversee another election. I'd like to see Cooper as leader but it won't happen so I'll go for Chuka. I think either of them would work for the party in England, but not for their Scottish problem since the SNP made so much play of the 'Westminster elite' jibes. " I know. Jim is needed in England too. | |||
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"The question now is will the Labour party tear themselves apart with infighting or will they quickly elect a new leader and sort themselves out? I think labour will implode, they have been completely embarrassed. " They should take a bit of time about it, with a caretaker in the meantime. We have 5 year fixed term parliaments, there's time for them to do it properly not just bunging any leader in quickly. | |||
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"What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? And there you have it, as predicted, you have illustrated for the more blinkered among your compatriots that the Tories hold all the cards when it comes to being vile. Now, who was it on here who said that they had never heard any Tory being rude or vile about people on the left? Or have you gone all shy again? "You're conveniently ignoring those of us who said we'd heard rude and vile comments from both sides. Which is what most people actually said. | |||
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"What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? And there you have it, as predicted, you have illustrated for the more blinkered among your compatriots that the Tories hold all the cards when it comes to being vile. Now, who was it on here who said that they had never heard any Tory being rude or vile about people on the left? Or have you gone all shy again? "I'm going for ignoring name calling and dealing with the real politics in front of us. Try it. There's no election and the time is now about influencing and mitigating what can happen. | |||
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"What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? And there you have it, as predicted, you have illustrated for the more blinkered among your compatriots that the Tories hold all the cards when it comes to being vile. Now, who was it on here who said that they had never heard any Tory being rude or vile about people on the left? Or have you gone all shy again? "Lol You are so predictable and I hardly had to bait the hook... I hope you have a great day in Bristol, though apparantly things are happening in the northern socialist republic of scotland. Seemingly the plan there is to roll out more free stuff for everyone. Sounds like a plan. Th | |||
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"Ed should never have been leader. Wonder if labour will reconsider their leadership election rules. I was wondering that. Harriet will have to step into the breach once more and oversee another election. I'd like to see Cooper as leader but it won't happen so I'll go for Chuka. " Yvette Cooper isn't gutsy enough to be leader, when I've seen her debate on QT and the home affairs election debate she seemed quite lightweight, effective but lightweight. And being black will work against Chuka - it shouldn't, but it will. So I rule him out. I think someone like Dan Jarvis maybe. | |||
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"What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? And there you have it, as predicted, you have illustrated for the more blinkered among your compatriots that the Tories hold all the cards when it comes to being vile. Now, who was it on here who said that they had never heard any Tory being rude or vile about people on the left? Or have you gone all shy again?
You're conveniently ignoring those of us who said we'd heard rude and vile comments from both sides. Which is what most people actually said. "It seems I was reading these threads a little more closely than you. I didn't say that all Tories behaved in a vile fashion...but no-one can deny that the majority do. The above was a timely illustration. As I observed, the Tories would undoubtedly have been ungracious in defeat. If you can't even be gracious in victory, as proven neatly above, then it's impossible to come to any other conclusion. Which is why it's foolish to suggest that sort of behaviour is the preserve of the Left. | |||
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"The question now is will the Labour party tear themselves apart with infighting or will they quickly elect a new leader and sort themselves out? I think labour will implode, they have been completely embarrassed. They should take a bit of time about it, with a caretaker in the meantime. We have 5 year fixed term parliaments, there's time for them to do it properly not just bunging any leader in quickly. " I say take a year to fully evaluate the situation and investigate all statistics to show what sort of leader can be effective and then pick someone of that calibre, not pick someone who isn't those traits and hope they can become so. | |||
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"What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? And there you have it, as predicted, you have illustrated for the more blinkered among your compatriots that the Tories hold all the cards when it comes to being vile. Now, who was it on here who said that they had never heard any Tory being rude or vile about people on the left? Or have you gone all shy again?
I'm going for ignoring name calling and dealing with the real politics in front of us. Try it. There's no election and the time is now about influencing and mitigating what can happen.
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"What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? And there you have it, as predicted, you have illustrated for the more blinkered among your compatriots that the Tories hold all the cards when it comes to being vile. Now, who was it on here who said that they had never heard any Tory being rude or vile about people on the left? Or have you gone all shy again?
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"What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? And there you have it, as predicted, you have illustrated for the more blinkered among your compatriots that the Tories hold all the cards when it comes to being vile. Now, who was it on here who said that they had never heard any Tory being rude or vile about people on the left? Or have you gone all shy again?
You're conveniently ignoring those of us who said we'd heard rude and vile comments from both sides. Which is what most people actually said.
It seems I was reading these threads a little more closely than you.
I didn't say that all Tories behaved in a vile fashion...but no-one can deny that the majority do. The above was a timely illustration.
As I observed, the Tories would undoubtedly have been ungracious in defeat. If you can't even be gracious in victory, as proven neatly above, then it's impossible to come to any other conclusion.
Which is why it's foolish to suggest that sort of behaviour is the preserve of the Left."You've found one sentence on a thread full of comments from people who have voted Conservative and that is evidence that the majority of Tories behave in a vile fashion? If you really believe that so many million people are 'vile' then we have a different definition of the word. | |||
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" The left are better planning for 2020,." Yes, by the simple fact that the EU referendum will have happened by then and UKIP will not pose as much of a threat to any party. Which is why Labour shouldn't rush into any leadership decisions. | |||
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"What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? And there you have it, as predicted, you have illustrated for the more blinkered among your compatriots that the Tories hold all the cards when it comes to being vile. Now, who was it on here who said that they had never heard any Tory being rude or vile about people on the left? Or have you gone all shy again?
I'm going for ignoring name calling and dealing with the real politics in front of us. Try it. There's no election and the time is now about influencing and mitigating what can happen.
A pointless exercise.
The left are better planning for 2020, when the guaranteed abject states of the national economy and society will be impossible for the Tories to pretend was a previous government's fault."And nit picking and name calling is so much less pointless. I see your plan and I fear it may not be as successful as you think. | |||
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" And nit picking and name calling is so much less pointless. " I am assuming you mean from all and not just the one person | |||
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" The left are better planning for 2020,. Yes, by the simple fact that the EU referendum will have happened by then and UKIP will not pose as much of a threat to any party. Which is why Labour shouldn't rush into any leadership decisions. " The process is quite long for the Labour leadership anyway. The problem is that all their phones are ringing hot with the would be contenders seeing who they can get on-side now. That's the problem. | |||
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" And nit picking and name calling is so much less pointless. I am assuming you mean from all and not just the one person "Indeed. Me included. | |||
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"What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? And there you have it, as predicted, you have illustrated for the more blinkered among your compatriots that the Tories hold all the cards when it comes to being vile. Now, who was it on here who said that they had never heard any Tory being rude or vile about people on the left? Or have you gone all shy again?
You're conveniently ignoring those of us who said we'd heard rude and vile comments from both sides. Which is what most people actually said.
To be fair, they are quoting a person who did say said it was one way and answering them
Point taken, I was responding more to the 'have you all gone shy' bit. ""Or have you gone all shy again" | |||
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" And being black will work against Chuka - it shouldn't, but it will. So I rule him out. " Given the USA has a black president and we, as a nation are more liberal, that's an interesting assumption. IMO he's a better candidate than Ed ever was.  | |||
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"What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? And there you have it, as predicted, you have illustrated for the more blinkered among your compatriots that the Tories hold all the cards when it comes to being vile. Now, who was it on here who said that they had never heard any Tory being rude or vile about people on the left? Or have you gone all shy again?
You're conveniently ignoring those of us who said we'd heard rude and vile comments from both sides. Which is what most people actually said.
To be fair, they are quoting a person who did say said it was one way and answering them
Point taken, I was responding more to the 'have you all gone shy' bit.
"Or have you gone all shy again""Yeah I know, I've just realised I misread it. Butting out now! | |||
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"What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? And there you have it, as predicted, you have illustrated for the more blinkered among your compatriots that the Tories hold all the cards when it comes to being vile. Now, who was it on here who said that they had never heard any Tory being rude or vile about people on the left? Or have you gone all shy again?
You're conveniently ignoring those of us who said we'd heard rude and vile comments from both sides. Which is what most people actually said.
It seems I was reading these threads a little more closely than you.
I didn't say that all Tories behaved in a vile fashion...but no-one can deny that the majority do. The above was a timely illustration.
As I observed, the Tories would undoubtedly have been ungracious in defeat. If you can't even be gracious in victory, as proven neatly above, then it's impossible to come to any other conclusion.
Which is why it's foolish to suggest that sort of behaviour is the preserve of the Left.
You've found one sentence on a thread full of comments from people who have voted Conservative and that is evidence that the majority of Tories behave in a vile fashion? If you really believe that so many million people are 'vile' then we have a different definition of the word. "I don't think I'd be foolish enough to claim that this thread contained the majority of Fab's Tory posters, or reflected how they usually conduct themselves. If this is the only thread you have ever read here, I guess you could be forgiven for thinking it was representative. Are you new to the forums? | |||
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"What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? And there you have it, as predicted, you have illustrated for the more blinkered among your compatriots that the Tories hold all the cards when it comes to being vile. Now, who was it on here who said that they had never heard any Tory being rude or vile about people on the left? Or have you gone all shy again?
You're conveniently ignoring those of us who said we'd heard rude and vile comments from both sides. Which is what most people actually said.
To be fair, they are quoting a person who did say said it was one way and answering them
Point taken, I was responding more to the 'have you all gone shy' bit.
"Or have you gone all shy again"
Yeah I know, I've just realised I misread it. Butting out now! "Happens to us all | |||
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"I think labour got the best result they could have hoped for! And I'll tell you why, they got beat but they didn't get annihilated and the Tories will have to find a solution for the mess their first term has created. In five years time the Tories will be as popular as warts once the housing and stock market crash back into recession and they won't be able to blame the previous labour government, I honestly think the high command of the labour party didn't want to win this election and got the result they wanted secretly. The lib dems will cease to even be a party as I said pre election they would be wiped out. For us the greens it's great news as two party politics will be seen for the charades of what it is?. As for name calling well everybody throws it around and the greens get more than anyone, we plug away anyway because we're in it for the right reasons even if we're not playing the notes in the right order .
Facts don't come into politics people have entrenched views hence why 500 seats never swap allegiance, everybody in politics knows it and that's why they only try targeting the tiny small % of people who are swinger's
Nice try but.....
1) Cameron is an unpopular conservative leader and will be replaced in four years by a new leader. He has already said as much. That new leader may well be much more popular than Cameron.
2) If Farage resigns, UKIP support will likely evaporate over the next five years and will likely reward the conservatives for the EU referendum whichever way it goes.
3) Labour need to deal with an almost impossible conundrum of being perceived as not being left wing enough in Scotland and being too left wing in England. That is going to be tough to deal with in just a couple of years.
Leaders don't make a difference in reality people vote for their pocket, Johnson or may or another Tory will find it difficult to get popular once peoples pockets get hit and their really going to get hit in the next five years.
What could possibly save the Tories except another war... Nothing
People are selfish. It is human nature.
Most people would rather pay less tax and get the choice as to what to spend their money on rather than hand over wads of cash to labour politicians who, throughout history have been unable to manage the books - even in boom times they could not balance the books.
My prediction is that there will be more tax cuts for everyone and a tightening of the noose on welfare. I think that by 2020 welfare dependancy for the fit and healthy will be a thing of the past and we will live in a country where once again, it will pay to be ambitious and successful in life.
Labour have too many issues to address to make a meaningful fist of it in five years time as they can't resolve their Scotland and UK problems at the same time.". I don't get you ideology your obviously hung up about people not working and yeah aren't we all but even if you stopped paying welfare completely it wouldn't make a dent on your other hang up of cutting the debt now you want tax cuts as well but still want to cut the debt? | |||
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"What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? And there you have it, as predicted, you have illustrated for the more blinkered among your compatriots that the Tories hold all the cards when it comes to being vile. Now, who was it on here who said that they had never heard any Tory being rude or vile about people on the left? Or have you gone all shy again?
You're conveniently ignoring those of us who said we'd heard rude and vile comments from both sides. Which is what most people actually said.
It seems I was reading these threads a little more closely than you.
I didn't say that all Tories behaved in a vile fashion...but no-one can deny that the majority do. The above was a timely illustration.
As I observed, the Tories would undoubtedly have been ungracious in defeat. If you can't even be gracious in victory, as proven neatly above, then it's impossible to come to any other conclusion.
Which is why it's foolish to suggest that sort of behaviour is the preserve of the Left.
You've found one sentence on a thread full of comments from people who have voted Conservative and that is evidence that the majority of Tories behave in a vile fashion? If you really believe that so many million people are 'vile' then we have a different definition of the word.
I don't think I'd be foolish enough to claim that this thread contained the majority of Fab's Tory posters, or reflected how they usually conduct themselves.
If this is the only thread you have ever read here, I guess you could be forgiven for thinking it was representative.
Are you new to the forums?"So is your comment about the majority of Tories behaving in a vile fashion and that being undeniable a comment about the behaviour of the majority of Tories on fab or in the country at large? | |||
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"I think labour got the best result they could have hoped for! And I'll tell you why, they got beat but they didn't get annihilated and the Tories will have to find a solution for the mess their first term has created. In five years time the Tories will be as popular as warts once the housing and stock market crash back into recession and they won't be able to blame the previous labour government, I honestly think the high command of the labour party didn't want to win this election and got the result they wanted secretly. The lib dems will cease to even be a party as I said pre election they would be wiped out. For us the greens it's great news as two party politics will be seen for the charades of what it is?. As for name calling well everybody throws it around and the greens get more than anyone, we plug away anyway because we're in it for the right reasons even if we're not playing the notes in the right order .
Facts don't come into politics people have entrenched views hence why 500 seats never swap allegiance, everybody in politics knows it and that's why they only try targeting the tiny small % of people who are swinger's
Nice try but.....
1) Cameron is an unpopular conservative leader and will be replaced in four years by a new leader. He has already said as much. That new leader may well be much more popular than Cameron.
2) If Farage resigns, UKIP support will likely evaporate over the next five years and will likely reward the conservatives for the EU referendum whichever way it goes.
3) Labour need to deal with an almost impossible conundrum of being perceived as not being left wing enough in Scotland and being too left wing in England. That is going to be tough to deal with in just a couple of years.
Leaders don't make a difference in reality people vote for their pocket, Johnson or may or another Tory will find it difficult to get popular once peoples pockets get hit and their really going to get hit in the next five years.
What could possibly save the Tories except another war... Nothing
People are selfish. It is human nature.
Most people would rather pay less tax and get the choice as to what to spend their money on rather than hand over wads of cash to labour politicians who, throughout history have been unable to manage the books - even in boom times they could not balance the books.
My prediction is that there will be more tax cuts for everyone and a tightening of the noose on welfare. I think that by 2020 welfare dependancy for the fit and healthy will be a thing of the past and we will live in a country where once again, it will pay to be ambitious and successful in life.
Labour have too many issues to address to make a meaningful fist of it in five years time as they can't resolve their Scotland and UK problems at the same time..
I don't get you ideology your obviously hung up about people not working and yeah aren't we all but even if you stopped paying welfare completely it wouldn't make a dent on your other hang up of cutting the debt now you want tax cuts as well but still want to cut the debt?"Don't look for logic in Tory economics, it's not a strong point! | |||
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"What next for the apologists for the feckless, the shirkers and the work shy? And there you have it, as predicted, you have illustrated for the more blinkered among your compatriots that the Tories hold all the cards when it comes to being vile. Now, who was it on here who said that they had never heard any Tory being rude or vile about people on the left? Or have you gone all shy again?
You're conveniently ignoring those of us who said we'd heard rude and vile comments from both sides. Which is what most people actually said.
It seems I was reading these threads a little more closely than you.
I didn't say that all Tories behaved in a vile fashion...but no-one can deny that the majority do. The above was a timely illustration.
As I observed, the Tories would undoubtedly have been ungracious in defeat. If you can't even be gracious in victory, as proven neatly above, then it's impossible to come to any other conclusion.
Which is why it's foolish to suggest that sort of behaviour is the preserve of the Left.
You've found one sentence on a thread full of comments from people who have voted Conservative and that is evidence that the majority of Tories behave in a vile fashion? If you really believe that so many million people are 'vile' then we have a different definition of the word.
I don't think I'd be foolish enough to claim that this thread contained the majority of Fab's Tory posters, or reflected how they usually conduct themselves.
If this is the only thread you have ever read here, I guess you could be forgiven for thinking it was representative.
Are you new to the forums?
So is your comment about the majority of Tories behaving in a vile fashion and that being undeniable a comment about the behaviour of the majority of Tories on fab or in the country at large?"I am basing the language used on what I've seen on Fab...I'm not qualified to comment on the country at large. I don't think Tories are vile people, by the way, but I do believe that they act in a vile fashion. Naked self-interest is vile, I don't see how someone could think otherwise. | |||
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" And being black will work against Chuka - it shouldn't, but it will. So I rule him out. Given the USA has a black president and we, as a nation are more liberal, that's an interesting assumption. IMO he's a better candidate than Ed ever was. "More liberal? We've just elected a Tory majority!
The demographics in the US are very different to here.
And there is a big difference between how the president is elected and how the representatives are elected in the US. Obama won reelection in 2012 and yet has now lost both chambers of congress. | |||
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"If Labour can sort themselves out under a new strong leader they might just be in better shape in 5 years, but they will need a few own goals and failures from the Tories." Well, they are guaranteed that, at least. | |||
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"I think labour got the best result they could have hoped for! And I'll tell you why, they got beat but they didn't get annihilated and the Tories will have to find a solution for the mess their first term has created. In five years time the Tories will be as popular as warts once the housing and stock market crash back into recession and they won't be able to blame the previous labour government, I honestly think the high command of the labour party didn't want to win this election and got the result they wanted secretly. The lib dems will cease to even be a party as I said pre election they would be wiped out. For us the greens it's great news as two party politics will be seen for the charades of what it is?. As for name calling well everybody throws it around and the greens get more than anyone, we plug away anyway because we're in it for the right reasons even if we're not playing the notes in the right order .
Facts don't come into politics people have entrenched views hence why 500 seats never swap allegiance, everybody in politics knows it and that's why they only try targeting the tiny small % of people who are swinger's
Nice try but.....
1) Cameron is an unpopular conservative leader and will be replaced in four years by a new leader. He has already said as much. That new leader may well be much more popular than Cameron.
2) If Farage resigns, UKIP support will likely evaporate over the next five years and will likely reward the conservatives for the EU referendum whichever way it goes.
3) Labour need to deal with an almost impossible conundrum of being perceived as not being left wing enough in Scotland and being too left wing in England. That is going to be tough to deal with in just a couple of years.
Leaders don't make a difference in reality people vote for their pocket, Johnson or may or another Tory will find it difficult to get popular once peoples pockets get hit and their really going to get hit in the next five years.
What could possibly save the Tories except another war... Nothing
People are selfish. It is human nature.
Most people would rather pay less tax and get the choice as to what to spend their money on rather than hand over wads of cash to labour politicians who, throughout history have been unable to manage the books - even in boom times they could not balance the books.
My prediction is that there will be more tax cuts for everyone and a tightening of the noose on welfare. I think that by 2020 welfare dependancy for the fit and healthy will be a thing of the past and we will live in a country where once again, it will pay to be ambitious and successful in life.
Labour have too many issues to address to make a meaningful fist of it in five years time as they can't resolve their Scotland and UK problems at the same time..
I don't get you ideology your obviously hung up about people not working and yeah aren't we all but even if you stopped paying welfare completely it wouldn't make a dent on your other hang up of cutting the debt now you want tax cuts as well but still want to cut the debt?"If we assume that the 'feckless' account for 10% of claims then you would save about £6bn a year - not much of a dent in a deficit of £84bn - lets see where they find the rest from. | |||
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" And being black will work against Chuka - it shouldn't, but it will. So I rule him out. Given the USA has a black president and we, as a nation are more liberal, that's an interesting assumption. IMO he's a better candidate than Ed ever was.
More liberal? We've just elected a Tory majority!
The demographics in the US are very different to here.
And there is a big difference between how the president is elected and how the representatives are elected in the US. Obama won reelection in 2012 and yet has now lost both chambers of congress. "Liberal in thoughts. Not talking demographics, as it's the party who will choose a new leader. | |||
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