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"Bagsie first! Derbyshire West - Conservative.
Mr ddc"Oops Apparently we got renamed Derbyshire Dales last time around. 
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"We're guessing that people might have a lot to say about the election in the next couple of days so, as we usually do for this sort of big event, can we please ask folks to keep all the election stuff on one thread... Thank ya kindly "
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"Bagsie first! Derbyshire West - Conservative.
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Apparently we got renamed Derbyshire Dales last time around.
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"Are more posts allowed than normal? It's going to be very difficult to follow if so. " It will be the same, whoever is about when the first one ends just starts the next part | |||
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"i bet i am the 1st on in my polling station tomorrow... figure i'll do it on the way to work at 7.15am...." Well unless you are the Electoral Officer, who are you gonna ask for a ballot paper(s)? | |||
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"Although I have strong political views, I don't think this site is a place for politics. " Totally agree, very depressing what some people are saying on here. the more political threads and topics. I work at the coal face, but so many don't and still spout off. That being said, programme on ITV at the moment re-capping election moments is a blast from the past and interesting summary. Got to love the natural law party ... | |||
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"So the Tories are planning a constitutional coup encouraged by their media lackies? Beyond arrogance and deceit. " What coup is that? Can you elaborate please? | |||
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"Although I have strong political views, I don't think this site is a place for politics. Totally agree, very depressing what some people are saying on here. the more political threads and topics. I work at the coal face, but so many don't and still spout off. That being said, programme on ITV at the moment re-capping election moments is a blast from the past and interesting summary. Got to love the natural law party ..." Actually ITV+1 | |||
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"So the Tories are planning a constitutional coup encouraged by their media lackies? Beyond arrogance and deceit. What coup is that? Can you elaborate please?" http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/06/tories-coup-legitimacy-democratic-ed-miliband-government-labour | |||
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"So the Tories are planning a constitutional coup encouraged by their media lackies? Beyond arrogance and deceit. What coup is that? Can you elaborate please? http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/06/tories-coup-legitimacy-democratic-ed-miliband-government-labour " Having read the report I really don't give it much credence. The constitutional position is clear, the incumbent Prime minister remains Prime minister until the leader of another party can reasonably show that he can control a majority in the house of commons, as both Heath and Gordon Brown did. This is really just a non story. | |||
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"Although I have strong political views, I don't think this site is a place for politics. Totally agree, very depressing what some people are saying on here. the more political threads and topics. I work at the coal face, but so many don't and still spout off. That being said, programme on ITV at the moment re-capping election moments is a blast from the past and interesting summary. Got to love the natural law party ..." My favourite semi-ex girlfriend is a Natural Law member, a teacher of Transcendental Meditation and just about the best **** I've ever known. I reckon it's no coincidence. | |||
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"Having read the report I really don't give it much credence. The constitutional position is clear, the incumbent Prime minister remains Prime minister until the leader of another party can reasonably show that he can control a majority in the house of commons, as both Heath and Gordon Brown did. This is really just a non story." Isn't most of it though? I guess they have to fill their papers. Besides, it isn't much worse than "Ooooh, beware the haggis-eating freedom-junkies, so vote for us and the extremely moderate DUP instead"! 
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"Labour left office with unemployment at 8 million It's down to around 5.5 million now Now I'm not a conservative voter but personally is much rather be where we are now than back in 2008 - 2010" There was a world crash in 2007. It had nothing to do with labour. They just happened to be the party in office at the time. We are still recovering from it. In terms of cost of living I'm worse off now than under the labour government as a middle class middle income worker. Not by much admittedly. | |||
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"Labour left office with unemployment at 8 million It's down to around 5.5 million now Now I'm not a conservative voter but personally is much rather be where we are now than back in 2008 - 2010 There was a world crash in 2007. It had nothing to do with labour. They just happened to be the party in office at the time. We are still recovering from it. In terms of cost of living I'm worse off now than under the labour government as a middle class middle income worker. Not by much admittedly. " No right minded person blames Gordon Brown for the international banking crisis and crash in 2007/8 but they do blame him not putting more money aside during the good times so we wouldn't have had to borrow as much when things started to go wrong. That's the real accusation against Labour and Gordon Brown. | |||
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" Even the former Bank of England governor Mervyn King has denied that the previous Labour government was responsible for the financial crash, saying there was a shared intellectual responsibility across the political parties and financial institutions for failing to foresee the problems." The reality is that Labour and Gordon Brown claimed the credit for the boom years but won't take the blame for the bust. Either they were in control and deserve the credit and blame or they were not. You can't just claim the credit when things are going well then refuse to take any responsibility when it all goes wrong. And you wonder why people don't find Labour credible? | |||
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Though the concept of "you have two votes" but only three candidates does make town council elections a tad pointless
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" Even the former Bank of England governor Mervyn King has denied that the previous Labour government was responsible for the financial crash, saying there was a shared intellectual responsibility across the political parties and financial institutions for failing to foresee the problems. The reality is that Labour and Gordon Brown claimed the credit for the boom years but won't take the blame for the bust. Either they were in control and deserve the credit and blame or they were not. You can't just claim the credit when things are going well then refuse to take any responsibility when it all goes wrong. And you wonder why people don't find Labour credible? " Which is exactly why people don't find the Conservatives financially credible either. They claim responsibility for 'rescuing' the economy after Labour, which every economist on Earth knows was already in recovery and stable before they came to power. What they actually did was reduce economic growth to nothing for for two years, and put in place all the measures which mean what growth we have today is barely worth mentioning. It's only the fact that most people are fiscally illiterate enough to believe the lie the media have helped to construct that means people give them any economic credit whatsoever. You see it a lot on here. Did anyone see Kay Burley of all people asking George Osborne if we had a bigger deficit than Greece? Osborne nearly fainted before refusing to answer. Murdoch must have had a stroke at that one.  | |||
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" Did anyone see Kay Burley of all people asking George Osborne if we had a bigger deficit than Greece? Osborne nearly fainted before refusing to answer. Murdoch must have had a stroke at that one. "She went off message? There's going to be a flogging in Murdoch Towers tonight. | |||
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" It's only the fact that most people are fiscally illiterate enough to believe the lie the media have helped to construct that means people give them any economic credit whatsoever. You see it a lot on here. " Really? Personally I object more to the hypocrisy of "they've cut too much" at.the same time as "they promised to clear the deficit but they didn't cut enough to do so" far worse. That, and calling people who don't vote for your party "illiterate"! Oh, and "bigots" | |||
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"Although I have strong political views, I don't think this site is a place for politics. Totally agree, very depressing what some people are saying on here. the more political threads and topics. I work at the coal face, but so many don't and still spout off. That being said, programme on ITV at the moment re-capping election moments is a blast from the past and interesting summary. Got to love the natural law party ..." Judging by how oblivious many are of what they're voting for.. or even how! The more places it's discussed the better. As for 'I work at the coal face but still don't spout off' erm what?! What's the coal face? | |||
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"I can't find my card!! Can I just go in the polling station? " Yes | |||
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"I can't find my card!! Can I just go in the polling station? Yes" Phew! Thanks x | |||
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" Did anyone see Kay Burley of all people asking George Osborne if we had a bigger deficit than Greece? Osborne nearly fainted before refusing to answer. Murdoch must have had a stroke at that one.
She went off message? There's going to be a flogging in Murdoch Towers tonight. "whoever you vote for, murdoch always wins | |||
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There was only me and one other lady there
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"I've been, OK I went to the wrong polling station first
There was only me and one other lady there
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"Ive never followed when it came to election but this year i got myself registered to vote... Im going after work today todo so but.... Who do i vote??? I dont no whos proposing (lieing) what!! I havnt followed due to work commitments... Im soo confused please could someone shed some light on whos proposing to do what? So that i feel ive voted for the correct party in which suits me best.... aaaahhhh.... Its all confusing "Google candidates in your local area and go for who will do best for you. But don't trust a Tory. Or a LibDem. Or UKIP.. | |||
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"Ive never followed when it came to election but this year i got myself registered to vote... Im going after work today todo so but.... Who do i vote??? I dont no whos proposing (lieing) what!! I havnt followed due to work commitments... Im soo confused please could someone shed some light on whos proposing to do what? So that i feel ive voted for the correct party in which suits me best.... aaaahhhh.... Its all confusing "The Tories are proposing to destroy the economy by removing vital state support for national infrastructure at every level, so that they lower taxes and continue moving money from the poor to the rich. The Lib Dems are proposing to help them. The Labour Party are proposing to do the same as the Conservatives, but there remains a small chance that some of the very few decent people in their party may curb some of the worst mistakes the Conservatives might have made. The Green Party are proposing to try to change our economic system completely, in favour of people in general, rather than an elite few. UKIP are proposing to make life worse for anyone who isn't white, or rich, and increase national levels of ignorance, hatred and stupidity. That sums up the main options, if you live in England. | |||
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"Ive never followed when it came to election but this year i got myself registered to vote... Im going after work today todo so but.... Who do i vote??? I dont no whos proposing (lieing) what!! I havnt followed due to work commitments... Im soo confused please could someone shed some light on whos proposing to do what? So that i feel ive voted for the correct party in which suits me best.... aaaahhhh.... Its all confusing
The Tories are proposing to destroy the economy by removing vital state support for national infrastructure at every level, so that they lower taxes and continue moving money from the poor to the rich.
The Lib Dems are proposing to help them.
The Labour Party are proposing to do the same as the Conservatives, but there remains a small chance that some of the very few decent people in their party may curb some of the worst mistakes the Conservatives might have made.
The Green Party are proposing to try to change our economic system completely, in favour of people in general, rather than an elite few.
UKIP are proposing to make life worse for anyone who isn't white, or rich, and increase national levels of ignorance, hatred and stupidity.
That sums up the main options, if you live in England."thanks very Much..... Well is there actually much point voting then? Xx | |||
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" Even the former Bank of England governor Mervyn King has denied that the previous Labour government was responsible for the financial crash, saying there was a shared intellectual responsibility across the political parties and financial institutions for failing to foresee the problems. The reality is that Labour and Gordon Brown claimed the credit for the boom years but won't take the blame for the bust. Either they were in control and deserve the credit and blame or they were not. You can't just claim the credit when things are going well then refuse to take any responsibility when it all goes wrong. And you wonder why people don't find Labour credible? Which is exactly why people don't find the Conservatives financially credible either. They claim responsibility for 'rescuing' the economy after Labour, which every economist on Earth knows was already in recovery and stable before they came to power. What they actually did was reduce economic growth to nothing for for two years, and put in place all the measures which mean what growth we have today is barely worth mentioning. It's only the fact that most people are fiscally illiterate enough to believe the lie the media have helped to construct that means people give them any economic credit whatsoever. You see it a lot on here. Did anyone see Kay Burley of all people asking George Osborne if we had a bigger deficit than Greece? Osborne nearly fainted before refusing to answer. Murdoch must have had a stroke at that one. "Unbiased advice. The perception is that Labour mis handled the economy. The more they try and argue that they didn't the more people tend to disturb them on it. | |||
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" Even the former Bank of England governor Mervyn King has denied that the previous Labour government was responsible for the financial crash, saying there was a shared intellectual responsibility across the political parties and financial institutions for failing to foresee the problems. The reality is that Labour and Gordon Brown claimed the credit for the boom years but won't take the blame for the bust. Either they were in control and deserve the credit and blame or they were not. You can't just claim the credit when things are going well then refuse to take any responsibility when it all goes wrong. And you wonder why people don't find Labour credible? Which is exactly why people don't find the Conservatives financially credible either. They claim responsibility for 'rescuing' the economy after Labour, which every economist on Earth knows was already in recovery and stable before they came to power. What they actually did was reduce economic growth to nothing for for two years, and put in place all the measures which mean what growth we have today is barely worth mentioning. It's only the fact that most people are fiscally illiterate enough to believe the lie the media have helped to construct that means people give them any economic credit whatsoever. You see it a lot on here. Did anyone see Kay Burley of all people asking George Osborne if we had a bigger deficit than Greece? Osborne nearly fainted before refusing to answer. Murdoch must have had a stroke at that one.
Unbiased advice.
The perception is that Labour mis handled the economy. The more they try and argue that they didn't the more people tend to disturb them on it.
"That is indeed the perception. Where the facts differ from the perception, as in this case, you would be better off questioning why you are labouring under a false perception, rather than trying to ignore the facts. | |||
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" Even the former Bank of England governor Mervyn King has denied that the previous Labour government was responsible for the financial crash, saying there was a shared intellectual responsibility across the political parties and financial institutions for failing to foresee the problems. The reality is that Labour and Gordon Brown claimed the credit for the boom years but won't take the blame for the bust. Either they were in control and deserve the credit and blame or they were not. You can't just claim the credit when things are going well then refuse to take any responsibility when it all goes wrong. And you wonder why people don't find Labour credible? Which is exactly why people don't find the Conservatives financially credible either. They claim responsibility for 'rescuing' the economy after Labour, which every economist on Earth knows was already in recovery and stable before they came to power. What they actually did was reduce economic growth to nothing for for two years, and put in place all the measures which mean what growth we have today is barely worth mentioning. It's only the fact that most people are fiscally illiterate enough to believe the lie the media have helped to construct that means people give them any economic credit whatsoever. You see it a lot on here. Did anyone see Kay Burley of all people asking George Osborne if we had a bigger deficit than Greece? Osborne nearly fainted before refusing to answer. Murdoch must have had a stroke at that one.
Unbiased advice.
The perception is that Labour mis handled the economy. The more they try and argue that they didn't the more people tend to disturb them on it.
That is indeed the perception.
Where the facts differ from the perception, as in this case, you would be better off questioning why you are labouring under a false perception, rather than trying to ignore the facts."I don't think I am but it's a bit like the NHS that has only ever had it's budget cut by Labour governments and always increased by Conservatives but that's not the perception. But keep arguing on the economy, that's where we want you. | |||
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"Farage for PM?!
Good luck with that"It will happen - it must do - landslide expected! | |||
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"Farage for PM?!
Good luck with that
It will happen - it must do - landslide expected! "hes already preparing his speech | |||
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"Farage for PM?!
Good luck with that
It will happen - it must do - landslide expected!
hes already preparing his speech "He should have finished it long ago - they won the Euro elections - they'll win for sure. | |||
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"Under the current system, that's a very good question. In most seats in the UK your vote is irrelevant." Nonsense, the 1997 election with a huge swing to Labour showed just how relevant votes can be.  | |||
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"Under the current system, that's a very good question. In most seats in the UK your vote is irrelevant. Nonsense, the 1997 election with a huge swing to Labour showed just how relevant votes can be. "You are making the mistake, again, of thinking that voting for Labour represents a substantiative difference from voting Conservative. We've been through this before. Don't you even recognise neoliberals when you see them? | |||
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"Under the current system, that's a very good question. In most seats in the UK your vote is irrelevant. Nonsense, the 1997 election with a huge swing to Labour showed just how relevant votes can be.
You are making the mistake, again, of thinking that voting for Labour represents a substantiative difference from voting Conservative.
We've been through this before. Don't you even recognise neoliberals when you see them?
"I'm afraid you have totally missed the point (again). The point being that in 1997 Blair appealed sufficiently to the electorate to secure a thumping win. It could well have been the Radical Communist wants to move the UK to the moon party, point is, if someone catches the imagination, your votes do count. 10 years ago, had someone suggested the SNP would be in with a chance of winning virtually every seat in Scotland they would have been laughed at. But look at what is happening, the SNP has appealed to the electorate and will vote. If viable alternatives to the neo-liberals you so despise could appeal to the electorate, there would be the revolution you so desperately seek | |||
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"Our household has it covered ..3 votes .. 1 tory..1 labour ..1 libdem.. "What an equal opportunities household
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"Don't leave it till the last moment. If you still unsure who to vote for and only know you definitely DON'T want a Tory, rather than ticking the Liberal or Labour candidate, you can just put a massive X next to the Tory candidate, so they know. "PMSFL. Good one m8 | |||
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"Labour left office with unemployment at 8 million It's down to around 5.5 million now Now I'm not a conservative voter but personally is much rather be where we are now than back in 2008 - 2010" Sorry but this is completely wrong. Average unemployment under the last labour government was lower than it has been under Tory Cameron. There were no were near eight million unemployed under labour (it was largely under one million) and there are nowhere near five million unemployed now. Source : office of national statistics | |||
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"Labour left office with unemployment at 8 million It's down to around 5.5 million now Now I'm not a conservative voter but personally is much rather be where we are now than back in 2008 - 2010 Sorry but this is completely wrong. Average unemployment under the last labour government was lower than it has been under Tory Cameron. There were no were near eight million unemployed under labour (it was largely under one million) and there are nowhere near five million unemployed now. Source : office of national statistics" I agree. Plus, although labour did sanction the unemployed for not doing training schemes and not looking for work, they didn't stop all the money (just cut it back) so the unemployment figures would have been more realistic than they are now where people can have their money stopped completely when sanctioned and not be a part of unemployment figures. | |||
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"Labour left office with unemployment at 8 million It's down to around 5.5 million now Now I'm not a conservative voter but personally is much rather be where we are now than back in 2008 - 2010" That would represent unemplyoment as 27% of the labour force - nonsense. The figures you're talking about aren't millions of people unemployed - they're the percentage of the labour force that's unemployed and seeking work. Our current unemployment rate is 5.6% (1.84m people). Sometimes I feel like banging my head against a brick wall!  | |||
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"Labour left office with unemployment at 8 million It's down to around 5.5 million now Now I'm not a conservative voter but personally is much rather be where we are now than back in 2008 - 2010 That would represent unemplyoment as 27% of the labour force - nonsense. The figures you're talking about aren't millions of people unemployed - they're the percentage of the labour force that's unemployed and seeking work. Our current unemployment rate is 5.6% (1.84m people). Sometimes I feel like banging my head against a brick wall! "I stand corrected I read the figures wrong, it was in % and not million Well done you Let's all hope ed gets in and lowers this figure further  | |||
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"Labour left office with unemployment at 8 million It's down to around 5.5 million now Now I'm not a conservative voter but personally is much rather be where we are now than back in 2008 - 2010 That would represent unemplyoment as 27% of the labour force - nonsense. The figures you're talking about aren't millions of people unemployed - they're the percentage of the labour force that's unemployed and seeking work. Our current unemployment rate is 5.6% (1.84m people). Sometimes I feel like banging my head against a brick wall!
I stand corrected I read the figures wrong, it was in % and not million
Well done you
Let's all hope ed gets in and lowers this figure further "Interestingly, if you look at the trend in unemployment between the UK, US & Germany, they're all following the same pattern and at virtually the same rate. So how much of the change in unemployment is domestic politics and how much of it is the markets and industry just rebalancing themselves after the recession? | |||
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"We have the only Green MP, Caroline Lucas. I hope her colour improves...." I'd vote for her Steve. Think she's an incredible ambassador for the party and local area. Said in partial ignorance from hundreds of miles away. | |||
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"Just cast my vote... Fed up hearing about all of these parties, when everyone knows that there ain't no party like an s club party "ROFL | |||
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"Conservative no one in the right mind could trust Labour with the economy." Here speaks a man who is voting based on reading the headlines of the Daily Mail for five years, rather than any actual economic figures.. In other words, a typical Tory voter, without whom the party wouldn't be left in charge of a tea kitty, let alone an economy. | |||
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"Just cast my vote... Fed up hearing about all of these parties, when everyone knows that there ain't no party like an s club party " | |||
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"Don't leave it till the last moment. If you still unsure who to vote for and only know you definitely DON'T want a Tory, rather than ticking the Liberal or Labour candidate, you can just put a massive X next to the Tory candidate, so they know. "I see what you did there, lol
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"noooo all wrong apparently we are actually in a worse deficit now. and add to that 700,000 using food banks, another 700,000 in exploitative 0 contract hours, loss of jobs, more borrowing than ever before, the ruining of the NHS..." a million ppl are using food banks | |||
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"Under the current system, that's a very good question. In most seats in the UK your vote is irrelevant." Sorry, but that is utter rubbish. If every single voter in a constituency believed this, none of them would cast their vote. I have always felt that my vote could be the one to change the result. Interesting fact for you. In 2010, 10.7 million people voted conservative, 8.6 million opted for Labour, 6.8 million for the Lib Dems and 3.5 million for other parties, whereas 15.9 million people did not vote. Just consider that for one moment. More people did not cast their vote than did for any single party. Almost 16 million people either didn't think any of the candidates was worth voting for or simply couldn't be bothered. And i'll bet the majority of those who can't be bothered to cast a vote - that millions of soldiers died to protect in WW1 and WW2 - probably are among the most vocal in complaining about the state of the country. When you look at figures like this, you can almost understand the logic behind the argument that perhaps compulsory voting should be introduced (as they have in Australia) - provided of course that a 'None of the above' option is provided. That said, I do also agree that the right to vote is also the right NOT to vote. | |||
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"Labour left office with unemployment at 8 million It's down to around 5.5 million now Now I'm not a conservative voter but personally is much rather be where we are now than back in 2008 - 2010" Have you taken into consideration the increase in zero hour contracts, high sanction figures and increased homelessness into consideration? All these people will have been taken off of the unemployment figures.....Just saying. | |||
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"63 reasons not to vote Tory; 1.Food bank use up. 2.Tuition fees trebled. 3.Ema scrapped. 4.Zero hours contracts. 5.More people in part time employment. 6.Suicide rates up. 7.Benefit sanctions targets meaning 90,000 people a month are sanctioned for little or no reason. 8.A and E in crisis. 9.Longer waiting times to see GP. 10.Selling off Royal Mail. 11.Stagnant wages. 12.Closures to police stations. 13.Closures of fire stations. 14.Increasing the national debt. 15.Creating more new debt in 5 years than labour created in 13. 16.Increasing vat. 17.Scrapping meaningful statistics collection. 18.Cutting university funding by 80% 19.Cuts in public transport grants, 20% rise in rail and bus fares. 20.Making councils in poorer areas cut more than councils in wealthier areas. 21.Housing benefit cuts as rents continue to rise. 22.Reneging on curbing bankers bonuses. 23.Loss of 'AAA' credit rating. 24.Double dip recession. 25.Treasury lieing about what income tax is spent on. 26.Universal credit mess, this has cost the taxpayer over 200million. 27. The unlawful Workfare program. 28.The health and social care act, a top down reorganisation of the NHS. 29.Trying to scrap our human rights. 30.Atos. 31.Bedroom tax. 32.Cuts to social care. 33.Cuts to library services. 34.Cuts to the disabled students allowance. 35.Cuts to local council disability transport. 36.Changing DLA to PIP meaning thousands of people are no longer eligible. (Disabled people make up 10% of the population but face 25% of cuts). 37.The IFS says the average household has lost £1,127 a year thanks to coalition policies. 38.The IFS also say that the biggest group to loose out are single jobless parents. 39.Child poverty increased by 13% (after labour cut it by 50%). 40.Removing legal aid. 41.Privatising NHS direct. 42.Tax avoidance up by 13% according to HMRC. 43.Homelessness up 26% (despite labour cutting it by 41%). 44.Closure of sure start centres. 45.30% increase in childcare costs. 46.Childhood obesity up by 16%. 47.Privatisation of the East cost mainline. 48.Stamp price hike by 50% since 2010. 49.Closure of 410+ schools. 50.Cutting the funding for conexions careers advice service for young people. 51.Overcrowded classrooms have trebled since 2010. 52.The Tories have presided over the closing or downgrading of 33% of NHS walk in centres, 66% of A and E/maternity wards and 16% of A and E's. 53.477 fewer GPs surgeries. 54. Mental health provision has been cut by 25%. 55.Closure of prisons 56.The number of millionaire bankers has climbed by 11% 57. 1,368 people died after work capability assessments wrongly found them fit to work. 58.Withdrawal of the subsidy for remploy that saw the closure of 34 remploy factories (that employed disabled people). 59.Water charges up 20% since 2010. 60.Raising the retirement age. 61.David Cameron decided to "cut the green crap" from policies. 62.Fracking. 63.The uk statistics authority has repeatedly warned the Tories to stop lying over immigration, unemployment, benefits cap, debt and NHS spending. Doesn't count if you're well off or privileged I suppose ! ." | |||
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"63 reasons not to vote Tory; 4.Zero hours contracts." ...which were first introduced under a Labour Government " 8.A and E in crisis. 9.Longer waiting times to see GP." Both 8 & 9 related to renegotiated GP contracts under Tony Blair's government " 24.Double dip recession." ...er, there was no double dip recession in the United Kingdom " 31.Bedroom tax." No such thing. It is not a Tax. Tax is an amount taken from money you earn or spend by government. The Spare room subsidy is a reduction in Housing BENEFIT - money given TO you By governement - and in any case, this was first introduced under Labour for those renting privately. The conservatives/lib dems have simply extended it to include Social Housing tennants " 47.Privatisation of the East cost mainline." Er, the entire railway network - which was initially started by private companies but nationalised by a Labour Government in 1948, returned to the private sector in 1997. The East Coast Mainline franchise was not re-nationalised. When the franchisee stepped away, the government asked Virgin trains to take over the running of the service, while the state provided the funding during the interim until a new franchisee could be found | |||
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" 46.Childhood obesity up by 16%. " I'm not sure where you got the list from. While I agree with a number of them, a lot are poorly or inaccurately described and show dubious use of statistics at best (ironic, that's one of the criticisms of the conservatives) which weakens the case. But we're really blaming 46 on the Tories now?! Are they standing in people's kitchens pushing food into children's mouths? (Excellent, I have another excuse to be fat, it's the government's fault).
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"63 reasons not to vote Tory; 4.Zero hours contracts. ...which were first introduced under a Labour Government 8.A and E in crisis. 9.Longer waiting times to see GP.Both 8 & 9 related to renegotiated GP contracts under Tony Blair's government 24.Double dip recession....er, there was no double dip recession in the United Kingdom 31.Bedroom tax.No such thing. It is not a Tax. Tax is an amount taken from money you earn or spend by government. The Spare room subsidy is a reduction in Housing BENEFIT - money given TO you By governement - and in any case, this was first introduced under Labour for those renting privately. The conservatives/lib dems have simply extended it to include Social Housing tennants 47.Privatisation of the East cost mainline.Er, the entire railway network - which was initially started by private companies but nationalised by a Labour Government in 1948, returned to the private sector in 1997. The East Coast Mainline franchise was not re-nationalised. When the franchisee stepped away, the government asked Virgin trains to take over the running of the service, while the state provided the funding during the interim until a new franchisee could be found" 4. no where near the number of 0 contract hours that there are currently! david cam is just using them to mask the unemployment! 8.9. or, he could just not have sacked thousands of nurses and doctors and started privitising the NHS i dont even feel the need to address the rest...the facts are just incorrect. and what about the other 50+? | |||
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" 46.Childhood obesity up by 16%. I'm not sure where you got the list from. While I agree with a number of them, a lot are poorly or inaccurately described and show dubious use of statistics at best (ironic, that's one of the criticisms of the conservatives) which weakens the case. But we're really blaming 46 on the Tories now?! Are they standing in people's kitchens pushing food into children's mouths? (Excellent, I have another excuse to be fat, it's the government's fault).
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"Conservative no one in the right mind could trust Labour with the economy. Here speaks a man who is voting based on reading the headlines of the Daily Mail for five years, rather than any actual economic figures.. In other words, a typical Tory voter, without whom the party wouldn't be left in charge of a tea kitty, let alone an economy. "I think more people will vote conservative than read the Daily Mail. In fact, I confidently predict more people will vote for the current coalition parties than Labour and Snp combined. There are even indications that this may be Labour's last hurrah. Current school polls indicate that tomorrow's first time voters are tired of being told they.will have to pay for our mistakes, and voting accordingly. (Which is why Labour have suddenly gone quiet about extending the franchise). Labour only do well when they ape Tory policies, so if Tory policies are good enough for Milliband.... | |||
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"8.9. or, he could just not have sacked thousands of nurses and doctors and started privitising the NHS" Actually, it was Tony Blair who first began privatising the NHS with PFI contracts. | |||
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"8.9. or, he could just not have sacked thousands of nurses and doctors and started privitising the NHS Actually, it was Tony Blair who first began privatising the NHS with PFI contracts. " well, he's certainly taking it too far...i reckon the entire NHS will collapse with another 5 years. | |||
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" 46.Childhood obesity up by 16%. I'm not sure where you got the list from. While I agree with a number of them, a lot are poorly or inaccurately described and show dubious use of statistics at best (ironic, that's one of the criticisms of the conservatives) which weakens the case. But we're really blaming 46 on the Tories now?! Are they standing in people's kitchens pushing food into children's mouths? (Excellent, I have another excuse to be fat, it's the government's fault).
Well, we are allowed to insult gordon brown for being blind in one eye and a vegetarian and blame the global financial crisis on him. thats no less arbitrary!"And no one trying to make a robust case for anything would. One side throwing bullshit around doesn't mean the other side has a good argument if they do the same. A large number of the 63 could be dismissed with: correlation does not imply causation. One of the absolute fundamentals of statistics. Like I said, there's a lot of those I agree with. But the entire list is weakened by the inclusion of the spurious and the ridiculous. | |||
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"8.9. or, he could just not have sacked thousands of nurses and doctors and started privitising the NHS Actually, it was Tony Blair who first began privatising the NHS with PFI contracts. well, he's certainly taking it too far...i reckon the entire NHS will collapse with another 5 years." I'd be amazed if the number of PFI deals signed in the last 5 years was even half the number signed from 2005 to 2010. | |||
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"8.9. or, he could just not have sacked thousands of nurses and doctors and started privitising the NHS Actually, it was Tony Blair who first began privatising the NHS with PFI contracts. well, he's certainly taking it too far...i reckon the entire NHS will collapse with another 5 years. I'd be amazed if the number of PFI deals signed in the last 5 years was even half the number signed from 2005 to 2010. " | |||
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"Conservative no one in the right mind could trust Labour with the economy. Here speaks a man who is voting based on reading the headlines of the Daily Mail for five years, rather than any actual economic figures.. In other words, a typical Tory voter, without whom the party wouldn't be left in charge of a tea kitty, let alone an economy.
I think more people will vote conservative than read the Daily Mail.
In fact, I confidently predict more people will vote for the current coalition parties than Labour and Snp combined.
There are even indications that this may be Labour's last hurrah. Current school polls indicate that tomorrow's first time voters are tired of being told they.will have to pay for our mistakes, and voting accordingly. (Which is why Labour have suddenly gone quiet about extending the franchise).
Labour only do well when they ape Tory policies, so if Tory policies are good enough for Milliband...."Moses Milibands stone tablet also seems to have gone missing, lol, maybe Labour realise the promises are not worth the granite they're written on. | |||
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" Moses Milibands stone tablet also seems to have gone missing, lol, maybe Labour realise the promises are not worth the granite they're written on. "Nonsense, how could he go wrong with, what was it "Houses to buy", Phew, tough aim there. | |||
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"Well off I went to vote this evening. Got my ballot paper and saw that out of six candidates, only 1 of them lives in my town.......no prizes for guessing which I voted for!" I had exactly the same thing. But I still didnt vote for that one candidate because it was from a party that I would never vote for | |||
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This might be the first ever general election since I was old enough to vote that I will not watch all night. The swingometer is going to move very slowly tonight.
I might even watch the Ch4 not very serious election programmes at 10pm.
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" I might even watch the Ch4 not very serious election programmes at 10pm. " Already.started (Richard Osman, Paxo and David Mitchell) | |||
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" I might even watch the Ch4 not very serious election programmes at 10pm. Already.started (Richard Osman, Paxo and David Mitchell) "I'm not ready yet. The polls are still open. | |||
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" I might even watch the Ch4 not very serious election programmes at 10pm. Already.started (Richard Osman, Paxo and David Mitchell)
I'm not ready yet. The polls are still open.
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"Conservative no one in the right mind could trust Labour with the economy. Here speaks a man who is voting based on reading the headlines of the Daily Mail for five years, rather than any actual economic figures.. In other words, a typical Tory voter, without whom the party wouldn't be left in charge of a tea kitty, let alone an economy.
I think more people will vote conservative than read the Daily Mail.
In fact, I confidently predict more people will vote for the current coalition parties than Labour and Snp combined.
There are even indications that this may be Labour's last hurrah. Current school polls indicate that tomorrow's first time voters are tired of being told they.will have to pay for our mistakes, and voting accordingly. (Which is why Labour have suddenly gone quiet about extending the franchise).
Labour only do well when they ape Tory policies, so if Tory policies are good enough for Milliband...."Are you posting this from bizarro world? This is the Tory party's dying breath, as is plain to see for anyone. Dopey Dave will be gone within a couple of weeks, and then it's anyone's guess who is going to make the worst job of opposition leader amongst the idiots who are left. If the Tories couldn't win an election against Labour last time, they will never win one again. Good riddance. Luckily for people foolish enough to vote Tory, the Labour Party will try to make the same mistakes anyway, so it won't matter. | |||
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"8.9. or, he could just not have sacked thousands of nurses and doctors and started privitising the NHS Actually, it was Tony Blair who first began privatising the NHS with PFI contracts. well, he's certainly taking it too far...i reckon the entire NHS will collapse with another 5 years." This has very little to do with politics, and everything to do with an ageing and massively growing population. A cross party solution to deal with this impending time bomb is needed. | |||
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"...and I certainly will not insult anyone who disagree's with my political views. I only say this, as on other Social Media platforms, I have received some very personal and ill-informed insults simply for expressing an opinion that did not match that of some others - who felt that somehow, they have a right to do so." . You should take it as a compliment of sorts, if those who don't share your views have to resort to insults it shows that you have won the debate. There are a few posters on these threads who refuse to accept the notion that some people have different views to theirs. | |||
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"63 reasons not to vote Tory; 1.Food bank use up. 2.Tuition fees trebled. 3.Ema scrapped. 4.Zero hours contracts. 5.More people in part time employment. 6.Suicide rates up. 7.Benefit sanctions targets meaning 90,000 people a month are sanctioned for little or no reason. 8.A and E in crisis. 9.Longer waiting times to see GP. 10.Selling off Royal Mail. 11.Stagnant wages. 12.Closures to police stations. 13.Closures of fire stations. 14.Increasing the national debt. 15.Creating more new debt in 5 years than labour created in 13. 16.Increasing vat. 17.Scrapping meaningful statistics collection. 18.Cutting university funding by 80% 19.Cuts in public transport grants, 20% rise in rail and bus fares. 20.Making councils in poorer areas cut more than councils in wealthier areas. 21.Housing benefit cuts as rents continue to rise. 22.Reneging on curbing bankers bonuses. 23.Loss of 'AAA' credit rating. 24.Double dip recession. 25.Treasury lieing about what income tax is spent on. 26.Universal credit mess, this has cost the taxpayer over 200million. 27. The unlawful Workfare program. 28.The health and social care act, a top down reorganisation of the NHS. 29.Trying to scrap our human rights. 30.Atos. 31.Bedroom tax. 32.Cuts to social care. 33.Cuts to library services. 34.Cuts to the disabled students allowance. 35.Cuts to local council disability transport. 36.Changing DLA to PIP meaning thousands of people are no longer eligible. (Disabled people make up 10% of the population but face 25% of cuts). 37.The IFS says the average household has lost £1,127 a year thanks to coalition policies. 38.The IFS also say that the biggest group to loose out are single jobless parents. 39.Child poverty increased by 13% (after labour cut it by 50%). 40.Removing legal aid. 41.Privatising NHS direct. 42.Tax avoidance up by 13% according to HMRC. 43.Homelessness up 26% (despite labour cutting it by 41%). 44.Closure of sure start centres. 45.30% increase in childcare costs. 46.Childhood obesity up by 16%. 47.Privatisation of the East cost mainline. 48.Stamp price hike by 50% since 2010. 49.Closure of 410+ schools. 50.Cutting the funding for conexions careers advice service for young people. 51.Overcrowded classrooms have trebled since 2010. 52.The Tories have presided over the closing or downgrading of 33% of NHS walk in centres, 66% of A and E/maternity wards and 16% of A and E's. 53.477 fewer GPs surgeries. 54. Mental health provision has been cut by 25%. 55.Closure of prisons 56.The number of millionaire bankers has climbed by 11% 57. 1,368 people died after work capability assessments wrongly found them fit to work. 58.Withdrawal of the subsidy for remploy that saw the closure of 34 remploy factories (that employed disabled people). 59.Water charges up 20% since 2010. 60.Raising the retirement age. 61.David Cameron decided to "cut the green crap" from policies. 62.Fracking. 63.The uk statistics authority has repeatedly warned the Tories to stop lying over immigration, unemployment, benefits cap, debt and NHS spending. Doesn't count if you're well off or privileged I suppose ! ." If you just stuck to the 20 or so actually true points rather than the the other half truths and mis directions you would come across as a credible critic rather than just a Labour supporter. | |||
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" If the Tories couldn't win an election against Labour last time, they will never win one again. Good riddance. " Really? I think we may have a separate definition of 'winning'. Surely by your definition if Labour can't win more seats than the Tories after 5 years of austerity... Personally, looking at the predictions, I find it interesting that Milliband will insist that winning a handful more seats than Gordon Brown is such a resounding success... | |||
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" This has very little to do with politics, and everything to do with an ageing and massively growing population. A cross party solution to deal with this impending time bomb is needed."
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" If the Tories couldn't win an election against Labour last time, they will never win one again. Good riddance. Really? I think we may have a separate definition of 'winning'. Surely by your definition if Labour can't win more seats than the Tories after 5 years of austerity... Personally, looking at the predictions, I find it interesting that Milliband will insist that winning a handful more seats than Gordon Brown is such a resounding success... " Seeing as labour are predicted to lose most of their Scottish seats they could well win less this time | |||
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" Seeing as labour are predicted to lose most of their Scottish seats they could well win less this time" Not quite that bad, I'm sticking with my original prediction... | |||
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"wow.... if that exit poll is accurate, then baiscally the conservatives will be able to go it alone......" If the exit polls are correct then they will go it alone - however slim the margin. | |||
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"wow.... if that exit poll is accurate, then baiscally the conservatives will be able to go it alone...... If the exit polls are correct then they will go it alone - however slim the margin. " They'll have to, there aren't enough lib dems to help them! | |||
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"wow.... if that exit poll is accurate, then baiscally the conservatives will be able to go it alone...... If the exit polls are correct then they will go it alone - however slim the margin. " Deffo - at least there'll be no coalition negotiation drama. Wow if the country thinks it's been hard the past 5 years.... | |||
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"wow.... if that exit poll is accurate, then baiscally the conservatives will be able to go it alone...... If the exit polls are correct then they will go it alone - however slim the margin. They'll have to, there aren't enough lib dems to help them!" remember.. one thing... and this is where sinn fein actually come into play.... everyone will say the majority is going to be 326... its not.... sinn fein don't take their seats in parliament... and speaker doesn't vote.... so the majority should be 323.... if the conservatives ended up with 316.... they would be 7 short... and to stick it to everyone they could just have a nod/wink agreements with the DUP in northern ireland who may get 8 seats.... and UKIP who may get 2... they wont need the lib dems, the SNP won Scotland but scared everyone else down south | |||
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"wow.... if that exit poll is accurate, then baiscally the conservatives will be able to go it alone...... If the exit polls are correct then they will go it alone - however slim the margin. Deffo - at least there'll be no coalition negotiation drama. Wow if the country thinks it's been hard the past 5 years...." Buckle your seats everyone....might just be a bumpy ride.... | |||
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"wow.... if that exit poll is accurate, then baiscally the conservatives will be able to go it alone...... If the exit polls are correct then they will go it alone - however slim the margin. They'll have to, there aren't enough lib dems to help them! remember.. one thing... and this is where sinn fein actually come into play.... everyone will say the majority is going to be 326... its not.... sinn fein don't take their seats in parliament... and speaker doesn't vote.... so the majority should be 323.... if the conservatives ended up with 316.... they would be 7 short... and to stick it to everyone they could just have a nod/wink agreements with the DUP in northern ireland who may get 8 seats.... and UKIP who may get 2... they wont need the lib dems, the SNP won Scotland but scared everyone else down south" The DUP will be all they need to carry the vote on the Queen's Speech. | |||
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"wow.... if that exit poll is accurate, then baiscally the conservatives will be able to go it alone......" Not a bad result at all, considering that it is widely accepted that it is much easier to win a Labour seat that a Tory seat ( except in Scotland lol) Don't the decent Irish Party ie not Sinn Fein invariably support the Tories? | |||
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"wow.... if that exit poll is accurate, then baiscally the conservatives will be able to go it alone...... If the exit polls are correct then they will go it alone - however slim the margin. Deffo - at least there'll be no coalition negotiation drama. Wow if the country thinks it's been hard the past 5 years...." | |||
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"wow.... if that exit poll is accurate, then baiscally the conservatives will be able to go it alone...... If the exit polls are correct then they will go it alone - however slim the margin. They'll have to, there aren't enough lib dems to help them! remember.. one thing... and this is where sinn fein actually come into play.... everyone will say the majority is going to be 326... its not.... sinn fein don't take their seats in parliament... and speaker doesn't vote.... so the majority should be 323.... if the conservatives ended up with 316.... they would be 7 short... and to stick it to everyone they could just have a nod/wink agreements with the DUP in northern ireland who may get 8 seats.... and UKIP who may get 2... they wont need the lib dems, the SNP won Scotland but scared everyone else down south The DUP will be all they need to carry the vote on the Queen's Speech. " I wouldn't mind the DUP suffering the same fate as the Lib Dems. | |||
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"Is this Farage's third attempt at a HoC seat? 6th I think. He's a trier. I know he had at least one attempt as a Conservative but I didn't think it would add up to six throws of the dice. " Whether or not he gains a seat or UKIP any seats, they have had a large bearing on how the other parties acted, or at least promised. | |||
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"Is this Farage's third attempt at a HoC seat? 6th I think. He's a trier. I know he had at least one attempt as a Conservative but I didn't think it would add up to six throws of the dice. " Only the men of Fab try harder! | |||
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" Don't the decent Irish Party ie not Sinn Fein invariably support the Tories?" DUP and UUP do.... SDLP is a sister party of Labour... Alliance is a sister party of the Lib Dems.... | |||
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"wow.... if that exit poll is accurate, then baiscally the conservatives will be able to go it alone...... If the exit polls are correct then they will go it alone - however slim the margin. They'll have to, there aren't enough lib dems to help them! remember.. one thing... and this is where sinn fein actually come into play.... everyone will say the majority is going to be 326... its not.... sinn fein don't take their seats in parliament... and speaker doesn't vote.... so the majority should be 323.... if the conservatives ended up with 316.... they would be 7 short... and to stick it to everyone they could just have a nod/wink agreements with the DUP in northern ireland who may get 8 seats.... and UKIP who may get 2... they wont need the lib dems, the SNP won Scotland but scared everyone else down south The DUP will be all they need to carry the vote on the Queen's Speech. I wouldn't mind the DUP suffering the same fate as the Lib Dems. " They won't go into coalition, I don't think. They will support vote by vote and that's all that is needed. People always forget that it's elected parliamentarians that decide which party forms the government. | |||
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" I wouldn't mind the DUP suffering the same fate as the Lib Dems. " Lets hope Cleggy gets in and offers his parties votes cheaply enough to count. I've never understood the "oooh, the scary SNP", while holding out the idea of doing a deal with the DUP. | |||
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" I wouldn't mind the DUP suffering the same fate as the Lib Dems. Lets hope Cleggy gets in and offers his parties votes cheaply enough to count. I've never understood the "oooh, the scary SNP", while holding out the idea of doing a deal with the DUP." Because the SNP aren't right wing enough on economics. | |||
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"So an EU referemdum in 3 years? The forums will be kicking off! "Yep, we'll have a referendum and if we the people decide to remain as part of Europe it won't stop the call for us to leave. Isn't that what referenda shows us? | |||
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