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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.." Ah-Father.....surely that would be an ecumenical matter....... Ted  | |||
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"Historically & traditionally yes. In terms of number of practising Christians, no. In terms of ramming it down kids throats in primary schools, surprisingly yes." Makes a change from the priest's cock being rammed down kid's throats. | |||
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"Looking at the amount of churches popping up all over my Borough I'd say Christianity is alive and kicking in England." I'd say that sounds like a charity scam. | |||
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"Historically & traditionally yes. In terms of number of practising Christians, no. In terms of ramming it down kids throats in primary schools, surprisingly yes. Makes a change from the priest's cock being rammed down kid's throats."  | |||
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"Looking at the amount of churches popping up all over my Borough I'd say Christianity is alive and kicking in England." Are those churches 'traditional'? There are so many denominations these days that it's hard to distinguish. | |||
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"Looking at the amount of churches popping up all over my Borough I'd say Christianity is alive and kicking in England. Are those churches 'traditional'? There are so many denominations these days that it's hard to distinguish. " Not brick built,been there for centuries but still places of worship where Christians attend. God doesn't care where you pray. | |||
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"Looking at the amount of churches popping up all over my Borough I'd say Christianity is alive and kicking in England. I'd say that sounds like a charity scam." Why? They all get together and pray,sing,congregate. Why is it a scam ? Some have huge congregations,some only a handful. | |||
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"More people should read Richard Dawkins The God Delusion." I tried. It seemed remarkably similar to what it was arguing against to me. | |||
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"More people should read Richard Dawkins The God Delusion. I tried. It seemed remarkably similar to what it was arguing against to me." Seemed very logical to me. | |||
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"More people should read Richard Dawkins The God Delusion." Im not into religion but like the story and if it gives comfort to someone then it makes it even more wonderful. What I dont like is the people who make it a way of life and make pain for others that dont agree with them. I also dont think scientist should condem religion as their work clashes to much. | |||
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"More people should read Richard Dawkins The God Delusion. Im not into religion but like the story and if it gives comfort to someone then it makes it even more wonderful. What I dont like is the people who make it a way of life and make pain for others that dont agree with them. I also dont think scientist should condem religion as their work clashes to much. Unlike religion science is based on facts not a fairy tale . " | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.." As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it." I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. | |||
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"Unlike religion science is based on facts not a fairy tale . " facts can change, and be proved wrong | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. " Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. | |||
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"Unlike religion science is based on facts not a fairy tale . facts can change, and be proved wrong" But science doesn't have the arrogance to claim to have the truth. It usually backs up its facts with the phrase "as far as we can tell from evidence and observations" Only a religious person claims to have the truth. | |||
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"Unlike religion science is based on facts not a fairy tale . facts can change, and be proved wrong But science doesn't have the arrogance to claim to have the truth. It usually backs up its facts with the phrase "as far as we can tell from evidence and observations" Only a religious person claims to have the truth." Absolutely but not so many people seem to understand what a 'fact' actually is. Their belief in science is no different to beliefs in religion in the past. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.." Of course we can. There will always be a majority faith in a country but doesn't stop people following whatever religion they choose. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church." Yes I was taught about all the major world religions. You can be taught that your religion is the truth while being educated that other people believe something different and to understand what and why that is, and why they have the right to practice that religion or no religion. Why do your children go to a C of E school if 'luckily' you're bringing them up to believe it's all bollocks, and presumably to dismiss those who do choose to believe? | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. Yes I was taught about all the major world religions. You can be taught that your religion is the truth while being educated that other people believe something different and to understand what and why that is, and why they have the right to practice that religion or no religion. Why do your children go to a C of E school if 'luckily' you're bringing them up to believe it's all bollocks, and presumably to dismiss those who do choose to believe? " Because the other schools round here are either, catholic (even worse!) Or just, to be quite blunt, shit. | |||
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"Looking at the amount of churches popping up all over my Borough I'd say Christianity is alive and kicking in England. I'd say that sounds like a charity scam. Why? They all get together and pray,sing,congregate. Why is it a scam ? Some have huge congregations,some only a handful. " They get together to have their money duped out of them, have a happy clappy singsong and a cup of Fairtrade coffee. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. Yes I was taught about all the major world religions. You can be taught that your religion is the truth while being educated that other people believe something different and to understand what and why that is, and why they have the right to practice that religion or no religion. Why do your children go to a C of E school if 'luckily' you're bringing them up to believe it's all bollocks, and presumably to dismiss those who do choose to believe? Because the other schools round here are either, catholic (even worse!) Or just, to be quite blunt, shit." I had an excellent education at my Catholic school, I'd send my kids there in a heartbeat if I had any (as would my atheist husband). | |||
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"Is the UK really a christian country?" When it suits it to be. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church." I was taught RE by a nun, and we were taught about all kinds of different religions. We were also taught to question both religion and science rigorously. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. Yes I was taught about all the major world religions. You can be taught that your religion is the truth while being educated that other people believe something different and to understand what and why that is, and why they have the right to practice that religion or no religion. Why do your children go to a C of E school if 'luckily' you're bringing them up to believe it's all bollocks, and presumably to dismiss those who do choose to believe? Because the other schools round here are either, catholic (even worse!) Or just, to be quite blunt, shit. I had an excellent education at my Catholic school, I'd send my kids there in a heartbeat if I had any (as would my atheist husband). " I would have allowed them to go to the catholic schools, they used to have good results, but they have turned to shit to, now. Im not scared of indoctrination, because its something I have warned them about, and not to accept. Question everything, was my advice to them, hence their atheism (priests, monks and nuns always collapse under questioning!). Ideally, for me ALL schools would be non denominational. I don't believe religious INSTRUCTION belongs in schools, whether they be state run or private. That is a parents job, not a schools. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it."  | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. I was taught RE by a nun, and we were taught about all kinds of different religions. We were also taught to question both religion and science rigorously." My experience was the same. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. Yes I was taught about all the major world religions. You can be taught that your religion is the truth while being educated that other people believe something different and to understand what and why that is, and why they have the right to practice that religion or no religion. Why do your children go to a C of E school if 'luckily' you're bringing them up to believe it's all bollocks, and presumably to dismiss those who do choose to believe? Because the other schools round here are either, catholic (even worse!) Or just, to be quite blunt, shit. I had an excellent education at my Catholic school, I'd send my kids there in a heartbeat if I had any (as would my atheist husband). I would have allowed them to go to the catholic schools, they used to have good results, but they have turned to shit to, now. Im not scared of indoctrination, because its something I have warned them about, and not to accept. Question everything, was my advice to them, hence their atheism (priests, monks and nuns always collapse under questioning!). Ideally, for me ALL schools would be non denominational. I don't believe religious INSTRUCTION belongs in schools, whether they be state run or private. That is a parents job, not a schools." But if a parent chooses to send their child to a school where they will receive religious EDUCATION from the context of a specific faith, that is completely legitimate. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. Yes I was taught about all the major world religions. You can be taught that your religion is the truth while being educated that other people believe something different and to understand what and why that is, and why they have the right to practice that religion or no religion. Why do your children go to a C of E school if 'luckily' you're bringing them up to believe it's all bollocks, and presumably to dismiss those who do choose to believe? Because the other schools round here are either, catholic (even worse!) Or just, to be quite blunt, shit. I had an excellent education at my Catholic school, I'd send my kids there in a heartbeat if I had any (as would my atheist husband). I would have allowed them to go to the catholic schools, they used to have good results, but they have turned to shit to, now. Im not scared of indoctrination, because its something I have warned them about, and not to accept. Question everything, was my advice to them, hence their atheism (priests, monks and nuns always collapse under questioning!). Ideally, for me ALL schools would be non denominational. I don't believe religious INSTRUCTION belongs in schools, whether they be state run or private. That is a parents job, not a schools. But if a parent chooses to send their child to a school where they will receive religious EDUCATION from the context of a specific faith, that is completely legitimate. " I know, I just don't think religious schools should exist. Stop brainwashing kids, and religion would disappear from this country within two or three generations. And we would be all the better for it. We could scrap PE at the same time and teach them something useful. Like extra science, philosophy, more detailed home economics. ANYTHING! | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. I was taught RE by a nun, and we were taught about all kinds of different religions. We were also taught to question both religion and science rigorously. My experience was the same. "But did she answer all the questions, honestly?  | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. Yes I was taught about all the major world religions. You can be taught that your religion is the truth while being educated that other people believe something different and to understand what and why that is, and why they have the right to practice that religion or no religion. Why do your children go to a C of E school if 'luckily' you're bringing them up to believe it's all bollocks, and presumably to dismiss those who do choose to believe? Because the other schools round here are either, catholic (even worse!) Or just, to be quite blunt, shit. I had an excellent education at my Catholic school, I'd send my kids there in a heartbeat if I had any (as would my atheist husband). I would have allowed them to go to the catholic schools, they used to have good results, but they have turned to shit to, now. Im not scared of indoctrination, because its something I have warned them about, and not to accept. Question everything, was my advice to them, hence their atheism (priests, monks and nuns always collapse under questioning!). Ideally, for me ALL schools would be non denominational. I don't believe religious INSTRUCTION belongs in schools, whether they be state run or private. That is a parents job, not a schools. But if a parent chooses to send their child to a school where they will receive religious EDUCATION from the context of a specific faith, that is completely legitimate. I know, I just don't think religious schools should exist. Stop brainwashing kids, and religion would disappear from this country within two or three generations. And we would be all the better for it. We could scrap PE at the same time and teach them something useful. Like extra science, philosophy, more detailed home economics. ANYTHING!" Have you not brainwashed your nippers into being atheist or did you only suggest it to them ? | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. Yes I was taught about all the major world religions. You can be taught that your religion is the truth while being educated that other people believe something different and to understand what and why that is, and why they have the right to practice that religion or no religion. Why do your children go to a C of E school if 'luckily' you're bringing them up to believe it's all bollocks, and presumably to dismiss those who do choose to believe? Because the other schools round here are either, catholic (even worse!) Or just, to be quite blunt, shit. I had an excellent education at my Catholic school, I'd send my kids there in a heartbeat if I had any (as would my atheist husband). I would have allowed them to go to the catholic schools, they used to have good results, but they have turned to shit to, now. Im not scared of indoctrination, because its something I have warned them about, and not to accept. Question everything, was my advice to them, hence their atheism (priests, monks and nuns always collapse under questioning!). Ideally, for me ALL schools would be non denominational. I don't believe religious INSTRUCTION belongs in schools, whether they be state run or private. That is a parents job, not a schools. But if a parent chooses to send their child to a school where they will receive religious EDUCATION from the context of a specific faith, that is completely legitimate. I know, I just don't think religious schools should exist. Stop brainwashing kids, and religion would disappear from this country within two or three generations. And we would be all the better for it. We could scrap PE at the same time and teach them something useful. Like extra science, philosophy, more detailed home economics. ANYTHING!" I'm not brainwashed. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. Yes I was taught about all the major world religions. You can be taught that your religion is the truth while being educated that other people believe something different and to understand what and why that is, and why they have the right to practice that religion or no religion. Why do your children go to a C of E school if 'luckily' you're bringing them up to believe it's all bollocks, and presumably to dismiss those who do choose to believe? Because the other schools round here are either, catholic (even worse!) Or just, to be quite blunt, shit. I had an excellent education at my Catholic school, I'd send my kids there in a heartbeat if I had any (as would my atheist husband). I would have allowed them to go to the catholic schools, they used to have good results, but they have turned to shit to, now. Im not scared of indoctrination, because its something I have warned them about, and not to accept. Question everything, was my advice to them, hence their atheism (priests, monks and nuns always collapse under questioning!). Ideally, for me ALL schools would be non denominational. I don't believe religious INSTRUCTION belongs in schools, whether they be state run or private. That is a parents job, not a schools. But if a parent chooses to send their child to a school where they will receive religious EDUCATION from the context of a specific faith, that is completely legitimate. I know, I just don't think religious schools should exist. Stop brainwashing kids, and religion would disappear from this country within two or three generations. And we would be all the better for it. We could scrap PE at the same time and teach them something useful. Like extra science, philosophy, more detailed home economics. ANYTHING! Have you not brainwashed your nippers into being atheist or did you only suggest it to them ? " No. I taught them to question and think logically for themselves. Atheism was their own conclusion. I reached the same conclusion in my childhood, despite a catholic upbringing. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. Yes I was taught about all the major world religions. You can be taught that your religion is the truth while being educated that other people believe something different and to understand what and why that is, and why they have the right to practice that religion or no religion. Why do your children go to a C of E school if 'luckily' you're bringing them up to believe it's all bollocks, and presumably to dismiss those who do choose to believe? Because the other schools round here are either, catholic (even worse!) Or just, to be quite blunt, shit. I had an excellent education at my Catholic school, I'd send my kids there in a heartbeat if I had any (as would my atheist husband). I would have allowed them to go to the catholic schools, they used to have good results, but they have turned to shit to, now. Im not scared of indoctrination, because its something I have warned them about, and not to accept. Question everything, was my advice to them, hence their atheism (priests, monks and nuns always collapse under questioning!). Ideally, for me ALL schools would be non denominational. I don't believe religious INSTRUCTION belongs in schools, whether they be state run or private. That is a parents job, not a schools. But if a parent chooses to send their child to a school where they will receive religious EDUCATION from the context of a specific faith, that is completely legitimate. I know, I just don't think religious schools should exist. Stop brainwashing kids, and religion would disappear from this country within two or three generations. And we would be all the better for it. We could scrap PE at the same time and teach them something useful. Like extra science, philosophy, more detailed home economics. ANYTHING! I'm not brainwashed. " Did you come to the conclusion that there is a god, independently, or was it something taught to you from infancy? | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. Yes I was taught about all the major world religions. You can be taught that your religion is the truth while being educated that other people believe something different and to understand what and why that is, and why they have the right to practice that religion or no religion. Why do your children go to a C of E school if 'luckily' you're bringing them up to believe it's all bollocks, and presumably to dismiss those who do choose to believe? Because the other schools round here are either, catholic (even worse!) Or just, to be quite blunt, shit. I had an excellent education at my Catholic school, I'd send my kids there in a heartbeat if I had any (as would my atheist husband). I would have allowed them to go to the catholic schools, they used to have good results, but they have turned to shit to, now. Im not scared of indoctrination, because its something I have warned them about, and not to accept. Question everything, was my advice to them, hence their atheism (priests, monks and nuns always collapse under questioning!). Ideally, for me ALL schools would be non denominational. I don't believe religious INSTRUCTION belongs in schools, whether they be state run or private. That is a parents job, not a schools. But if a parent chooses to send their child to a school where they will receive religious EDUCATION from the context of a specific faith, that is completely legitimate. I know, I just don't think religious schools should exist. Stop brainwashing kids, and religion would disappear from this country within two or three generations. And we would be all the better for it. We could scrap PE at the same time and teach them something useful. Like extra science, philosophy, more detailed home economics. ANYTHING! Have you not brainwashed your nippers into being atheist or did you only suggest it to them ? No. I taught them to question and think logically for themselves. Atheism was their own conclusion. I reached the same conclusion in my childhood, despite a catholic upbringing." I sorry , I thought you said you brought them up atheist , I presume from infancy. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. Yes I was taught about all the major world religions. You can be taught that your religion is the truth while being educated that other people believe something different and to understand what and why that is, and why they have the right to practice that religion or no religion. Why do your children go to a C of E school if 'luckily' you're bringing them up to believe it's all bollocks, and presumably to dismiss those who do choose to believe? Because the other schools round here are either, catholic (even worse!) Or just, to be quite blunt, shit. I had an excellent education at my Catholic school, I'd send my kids there in a heartbeat if I had any (as would my atheist husband). I would have allowed them to go to the catholic schools, they used to have good results, but they have turned to shit to, now. Im not scared of indoctrination, because its something I have warned them about, and not to accept. Question everything, was my advice to them, hence their atheism (priests, monks and nuns always collapse under questioning!). Ideally, for me ALL schools would be non denominational. I don't believe religious INSTRUCTION belongs in schools, whether they be state run or private. That is a parents job, not a schools. But if a parent chooses to send their child to a school where they will receive religious EDUCATION from the context of a specific faith, that is completely legitimate. I know, I just don't think religious schools should exist. Stop brainwashing kids, and religion would disappear from this country within two or three generations. And we would be all the better for it. We could scrap PE at the same time and teach them something useful. Like extra science, philosophy, more detailed home economics. ANYTHING! Have you not brainwashed your nippers into being atheist or did you only suggest it to them ? No. I taught them to question and think logically for themselves. Atheism was their own conclusion. I reached the same conclusion in my childhood, despite a catholic upbringing. I sorry , I thought you said you brought them up atheist , I presume from infancy. " Their mother is catholic, had them baptised, confirmed and all points in between. Even went to church on Saturdays and Sundays. I just picked up the pieces! | |||
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" Did you come to the conclusion that there is a god, independently, or was it something taught to you from infancy? I went to church and was taught about Christianity there, at home and at school. When I was old enough I questioned it, a lot, and made my own mind up from there. Have your children come to the conclusion that there is no god, independently, or is this something you've told them from infancy?" I told them to think and question. The logical answer for them was atheism. Their mother tryed to imbue a faith into them, but it failed to take root, thankfully. You were taught at home and school from an early age, ever wonder why the Jesuit saying goes, "give me a child at 7 and I will give you the man"? Like it or not, that's brainwashing. | |||
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" Did you come to the conclusion that there is a god, independently, or was it something taught to you from infancy? I went to church and was taught about Christianity there, at home and at school. When I was old enough I questioned it, a lot, and made my own mind up from there. Have your children come to the conclusion that there is no god, independently, or is this something you've told them from infancy? I told them to think and question. The logical answer for them was atheism. Their mother tryed to imbue a faith into them, but it failed to take root, thankfully. You were taught at home and school from an early age, ever wonder why the Jesuit saying goes, "give me a child at 7 and I will give you the man"? Like it or not, that's brainwashing." Earlier you said you brought them up atheist from day one. | |||
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" Did you come to the conclusion that there is a god, independently, or was it something taught to you from infancy? I went to church and was taught about Christianity there, at home and at school. When I was old enough I questioned it, a lot, and made my own mind up from there. Have your children come to the conclusion that there is no god, independently, or is this something you've told them from infancy? I told them to think and question. The logical answer for them was atheism. Their mother tryed to imbue a faith into them, but it failed to take root, thankfully. You were taught at home and school from an early age, ever wonder why the Jesuit saying goes, "give me a child at 7 and I will give you the man"? Like it or not, that's brainwashing. Earlier you said you brought them up atheist from day one. " I couldn't bring the up atheist. Their mother is catholic and had tryed from day one to bring them up the same way. I taught them to question and use logic, to me that's atheism, or at least the path that leads to it. | |||
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" Did you come to the conclusion that there is a god, independently, or was it something taught to you from infancy? I went to church and was taught about Christianity there, at home and at school. When I was old enough I questioned it, a lot, and made my own mind up from there. Have your children come to the conclusion that there is no god, independently, or is this something you've told them from infancy? I told them to think and question. The logical answer for them was atheism. Their mother tryed to imbue a faith into them, but it failed to take root, thankfully. You were taught at home and school from an early age, ever wonder why the Jesuit saying goes, "give me a child at 7 and I will give you the man"? Like it or not, that's brainwashing. Earlier you said you brought them up atheist from day one. I couldn't bring the up atheist. Their mother is catholic and had tryed from day one to bring them up the same way. I taught them to question and use logic, to me that's atheism, or at least the path that leads to it." Your making it up as you go along. | |||
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"Historically & traditionally yes. In terms of number of practising Christians, no. In terms of ramming it down kids throats in primary schools, surprisingly yes." Sums it up for me. | |||
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" Did you come to the conclusion that there is a god, independently, or was it something taught to you from infancy? I went to church and was taught about Christianity there, at home and at school. When I was old enough I questioned it, a lot, and made my own mind up from there. Have your children come to the conclusion that there is no god, independently, or is this something you've told them from infancy? I told them to think and question. The logical answer for them was atheism. Their mother tryed to imbue a faith into them, but it failed to take root, thankfully. You were taught at home and school from an early age, ever wonder why the Jesuit saying goes, "give me a child at 7 and I will give you the man"? Like it or not, that's brainwashing." I'm not brainwashed. I was brought up to understand one faith fully and to decide for myself what to believe. I've also been educated about science, history, philosophy and a load of other things that influence what I think about the world. More importantly, I was also brought up to respect the beliefs of people from all faiths, humanists and atheists and agnostics too. I'd choose that any day over being imbued with a dismissive attitude towards anyone who believes something different to what I do, hopefully that's not something your children are going to take from your 'education'. | |||
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" Did you come to the conclusion that there is a god, independently, or was it something taught to you from infancy? I went to church and was taught about Christianity there, at home and at school. When I was old enough I questioned it, a lot, and made my own mind up from there. Have your children come to the conclusion that there is no god, independently, or is this something you've told them from infancy? I told them to think and question. The logical answer for them was atheism. Their mother tryed to imbue a faith into them, but it failed to take root, thankfully. You were taught at home and school from an early age, ever wonder why the Jesuit saying goes, "give me a child at 7 and I will give you the man"? Like it or not, that's brainwashing. Earlier you said you brought them up atheist from day one. I couldn't bring the up atheist. Their mother is catholic and had tryed from day one to bring them up the same way. I taught them to question and use logic, to me that's atheism, or at least the path that leads to it. Your making it up as you go along. " No, I leave that to the God squad. | |||
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" Did you come to the conclusion that there is a god, independently, or was it something taught to you from infancy? I went to church and was taught about Christianity there, at home and at school. When I was old enough I questioned it, a lot, and made my own mind up from there. Have your children come to the conclusion that there is no god, independently, or is this something you've told them from infancy? I told them to think and question. The logical answer for them was atheism. Their mother tryed to imbue a faith into them, but it failed to take root, thankfully. You were taught at home and school from an early age, ever wonder why the Jesuit saying goes, "give me a child at 7 and I will give you the man"? Like it or not, that's brainwashing. I'm not brainwashed. I was brought up to understand one faith fully and to decide for myself what to believe. I've also been educated about science, history, philosophy and a load of other things that influence what I think about the world. More importantly, I was also brought up to respect the beliefs of people from all faiths, humanists and atheists and agnostics too. I'd choose that any day over being imbued with a dismissive attitude towards anyone who believes something different to what I do, hopefully that's not something your children are going to take from your 'education'." "Understand one faith fully"? What do you mean? That smacks of being told this is the true faith. The rest are false. You either believe your faith is the one true faith and the others are false, or you don't truly believe. Of course I have a dismissive attitude to religion. Not just Christianity. Any religion that has a supernatural being at the centre if it, to me, is by definition, ridiculous. I cannot respect anyone's religious belief if they choose to ignore the fact that there is not one shred of evidence to support it. Would you respect my belief in flying teapots? | |||
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" I couldn't bring the up atheist. Their mother is catholic and had tryed from day one to bring them up the same way. I taught them to question and use logic, to me that's atheism, or at least the path that leads to it." No, that's not atheism. Atheism is the specific belief that there is no God. It's nothing to do with questioning anything. | |||
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" Of course I have a dismissive attitude to religion. Not just Christianity. Any religion that has a supernatural being at the centre if it, to me, is by definition, ridiculous. I cannot respect anyone's religious belief if they choose to ignore the fact that there is not one shred of evidence to support it. " PROVE to me that there is no God. You know, with evidence and shit. Actual evidence - not absence of evidence. | |||
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" I couldn't bring the up atheist. Their mother is catholic and had tryed from day one to bring them up the same way. I taught them to question and use logic, to me that's atheism, or at least the path that leads to it. No, that's not atheism. Atheism is the specific belief that there is no God. It's nothing to do with questioning anything." Read the last part of the sentence, after the comma. This isn't an exercise in semantics. Atheism is lack of belief, it is not a positive statement in the non existence of something. You cannot have a meaningful positive statement saying something doesn't exist. | |||
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" Of course I have a dismissive attitude to religion. Not just Christianity. Any religion that has a supernatural being at the centre if it, to me, is by definition, ridiculous. I cannot respect anyone's religious belief if they choose to ignore the fact that there is not one shred of evidence to support it. PROVE to me that there is no God. You know, with evidence and shit. Actual evidence - not absence of evidence." No. You believe something exists. Prove it. You made the positive statement. Prove Betrabds Teapot doesn't exit, and I might listen to that argument. | |||
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"Even scientists acknowledge the possibility of a creator. Just saying "I acknowledge the possibility of a eight legged horse made of Haribos wearing a crown of hens teeth, was responsible for it all. Just as likely. Just saying. | |||
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" Did you come to the conclusion that there is a god, independently, or was it something taught to you from infancy? I went to church and was taught about Christianity there, at home and at school. When I was old enough I questioned it, a lot, and made my own mind up from there. Have your children come to the conclusion that there is no god, independently, or is this something you've told them from infancy? I told them to think and question. The logical answer for them was atheism. Their mother tryed to imbue a faith into them, but it failed to take root, thankfully. You were taught at home and school from an early age, ever wonder why the Jesuit saying goes, "give me a child at 7 and I will give you the man"? Like it or not, that's brainwashing. I'm not brainwashed. I was brought up to understand one faith fully and to decide for myself what to believe. I've also been educated about science, history, philosophy and a load of other things that influence what I think about the world. More importantly, I was also brought up to respect the beliefs of people from all faiths, humanists and atheists and agnostics too. I'd choose that any day over being imbued with a dismissive attitude towards anyone who believes something different to what I do, hopefully that's not something your children are going to take from your 'education'. "Understand one faith fully"? What do you mean? That smacks of being told this is the true faith. The rest are false. You either believe your faith is the one true faith and the others are false, or you don't truly believe. Of course I have a dismissive attitude to religion. Not just Christianity. Any religion that has a supernatural being at the centre if it, to me, is by definition, ridiculous. I cannot respect anyone's religious belief if they choose to ignore the fact that there is not one shred of evidence to support it. Would you respect my belief in flying teapots? " I understand the teachings of the Catholic faith. Some of them I believe in, much of it I don't. Some days I believe in God, some I don't. I've been told that is the one true faith. I can accept that others believe something else is the true faith. And others still that there is no true faith. None of these things are incompatible with Christian belief. Where is your scientific and undisputed evidence of no form of higher being or power? Or creation force? I don't believe God created the world in 7 days, I'm not a creationist, because I've been shown evidence about evolution. I've never been shown anything that's convinced me the start of life was all an accident or a coincidence. Mock me all you like, this doesn't make me brainwashed or you enlightened. Militant atheists are as rigid and inflexible as fundamentalists of any religion and if we're going round condemning and ridiculing anyone they should be prepared to be similarly challenged (especially when they're being a dick about other people's beliefs). | |||
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"Even scientists acknowledge the possibility of a creator. Just saying
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a religious scientist? i cant believe i just typed those two words together "Yes I did. Because the big bang theory is just that. A theory. If it was fact then we could create another planet or solar system. | |||
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" Of course I have a dismissive attitude to religion. Not just Christianity. Any religion that has a supernatural being at the centre if it, to me, is by definition, ridiculous. I cannot respect anyone's religious belief if they choose to ignore the fact that there is not one shred of evidence to support it. PROVE to me that there is no God. You know, with evidence and shit. Actual evidence - not absence of evidence. No. You believe something exists. Prove it. You made the positive statement. Prove Betrabds Teapot doesn't exit, and I might listen to that argument." Except you wouldn't, because your comments on here reveals you as closed minded and not prepared to consider anything that doesn't go along with your view of how you think it should be. | |||
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"Even scientists acknowledge the possibility of a creator. Just saying
I acknowledge the possibility of a eight legged horse made of Haribos wearing a crown of hens teeth, was responsible for it all. Just as likely.
Just saying."That's the spirit. The reality is you don't know either so why be so dismissive? We all have beliefs. | |||
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"I don't believe in God because I haven't been brought up to believe in God. But equally, I don't think life happened because 2 great big fucking rocks bashed together in outer space either. " Thank you! Common sense prevails! | |||
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"Even scientists acknowledge the possibility of a creator. Just saying
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Because the big bang theory is just that. A theory.
If it was fact then we could create another planet or solar system. "i really think you need to be looking at some more education websites rather than ones with naked people. also dont start confusing scientific theories with other theories 2 different things | |||
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"Even scientists acknowledge the possibility of a creator. Just saying
I acknowledge the possibility of a eight legged horse made of Haribos wearing a crown of hens teeth, was responsible for it all. Just as likely.
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" Did you come to the conclusion that there is a god, independently, or was it something taught to you from infancy? I went to church and was taught about Christianity there, at home and at school. When I was old enough I questioned it, a lot, and made my own mind up from there. Have your children come to the conclusion that there is no god, independently, or is this something you've told them from infancy? I told them to think and question. The logical answer for them was atheism. Their mother tryed to imbue a faith into them, but it failed to take root, thankfully. You were taught at home and school from an early age, ever wonder why the Jesuit saying goes, "give me a child at 7 and I will give you the man"? Like it or not, that's brainwashing. I'm not brainwashed. I was brought up to understand one faith fully and to decide for myself what to believe. I've also been educated about science, history, philosophy and a load of other things that influence what I think about the world. More importantly, I was also brought up to respect the beliefs of people from all faiths, humanists and atheists and agnostics too. I'd choose that any day over being imbued with a dismissive attitude towards anyone who believes something different to what I do, hopefully that's not something your children are going to take from your 'education'. "Understand one faith fully"? What do you mean? That smacks of being told this is the true faith. The rest are false. You either believe your faith is the one true faith and the others are false, or you don't truly believe. Of course I have a dismissive attitude to religion. Not just Christianity. Any religion that has a supernatural being at the centre if it, to me, is by definition, ridiculous. I cannot respect anyone's religious belief if they choose to ignore the fact that there is not one shred of evidence to support it. Would you respect my belief in flying teapots? I understand the teachings of the Catholic faith. Some of them I believe in, much of it I don't. Some days I believe in God, some I don't. I've been told that is the one true faith. I can accept that others believe something else is the true faith. And others still that there is no true faith. None of these things are incompatible with Christian belief. Where is your scientific and undisputed evidence of no form of higher being or power? Or creation force? I don't believe God created the world in 7 days, I'm not a creationist, because I've been shown evidence about evolution. I've never been shown anything that's convinced me the start of life was all an accident or a coincidence. Mock me all you like, this doesn't make me brainwashed or you enlightened. Militant atheists are as rigid and inflexible as fundamentalists of any religion and if we're going round condemning and ridiculing anyone they should be prepared to be similarly challenged (especially when they're being a dick about other people's beliefs). " You don't need evidence to prove something doesn't exist. You need evidence to prove something does. You have never seen anything that biogenesis could have started naturally? Look again. Its been theorised and performed in laboratories where amino acids were created. I'm not mocking you. I just think religion shuts down curiosity. I don't mind you condemning me, its water off s ducks back. Prove your gods exist and I will pay attention. I still wouldn't worship it. Its a nasty piece of work if ever there was one. | |||
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"Even scientists acknowledge the possibility of a creator. Just saying
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a religious scientist? i cant believe i just typed those two words together
Yes I did.
Because the big bang theory is just that. A theory.
If it was fact then we could create another planet or solar system.
i really think you need to be looking at some more education websites rather than ones with naked people.
also dont start confusing scientific theories with other theories
2 different things "Nice. However, yours is still a belief, like everything else. All you seem to be doing is belittling an opinion because you can't see or touch it and while you don't like or agree with what I've said. It's still true. The fact that such an argument is inconclusive pains you but, sadly, that's the way it is. | |||
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" Did you come to the conclusion that there is a god, independently, or was it something taught to you from infancy? I went to church and was taught about Christianity there, at home and at school. When I was old enough I questioned it, a lot, and made my own mind up from there. Have your children come to the conclusion that there is no god, independently, or is this something you've told them from infancy? I told them to think and question. The logical answer for them was atheism. Their mother tryed to imbue a faith into them, but it failed to take root, thankfully. You were taught at home and school from an early age, ever wonder why the Jesuit saying goes, "give me a child at 7 and I will give you the man"? Like it or not, that's brainwashing. I'm not brainwashed. I was brought up to understand one faith fully and to decide for myself what to believe. I've also been educated about science, history, philosophy and a load of other things that influence what I think about the world. More importantly, I was also brought up to respect the beliefs of people from all faiths, humanists and atheists and agnostics too. I'd choose that any day over being imbued with a dismissive attitude towards anyone who believes something different to what I do, hopefully that's not something your children are going to take from your 'education'. "Understand one faith fully"? What do you mean? That smacks of being told this is the true faith. The rest are false. You either believe your faith is the one true faith and the others are false, or you don't truly believe. Of course I have a dismissive attitude to religion. Not just Christianity. Any religion that has a supernatural being at the centre if it, to me, is by definition, ridiculous. I cannot respect anyone's religious belief if they choose to ignore the fact that there is not one shred of evidence to support it. Would you respect my belief in flying teapots? I understand the teachings of the Catholic faith. Some of them I believe in, much of it I don't. Some days I believe in God, some I don't. I've been told that is the one true faith. I can accept that others believe something else is the true faith. And others still that there is no true faith. None of these things are incompatible with Christian belief. Where is your scientific and undisputed evidence of no form of higher being or power? Or creation force? I don't believe God created the world in 7 days, I'm not a creationist, because I've been shown evidence about evolution. I've never been shown anything that's convinced me the start of life was all an accident or a coincidence. Mock me all you like, this doesn't make me brainwashed or you enlightened. Militant atheists are as rigid and inflexible as fundamentalists of any religion and if we're going round condemning and ridiculing anyone they should be prepared to be similarly challenged (especially when they're being a dick about other people's beliefs). You don't need evidence to prove something doesn't exist. You need evidence to prove something does. You have never seen anything that biogenesis could have started naturally? Look again. Its been theorised and performed in laboratories where amino acids were created. I'm not mocking you. I just think religion shuts down curiosity. I don't mind you condemning me, its water off s ducks back. Prove your gods exist and I will pay attention. I still wouldn't worship it. Its a nasty piece of work if ever there was one." You don't think you're mocking or ridiculing? You might want to reconsider your tone if that's not your intention
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" Did you come to the conclusion that there is a god, independently, or was it something taught to you from infancy? I went to church and was taught about Christianity there, at home and at school. When I was old enough I questioned it, a lot, and made my own mind up from there. Have your children come to the conclusion that there is no god, independently, or is this something you've told them from infancy? I told them to think and question. The logical answer for them was atheism. Their mother tryed to imbue a faith into them, but it failed to take root, thankfully. You were taught at home and school from an early age, ever wonder why the Jesuit saying goes, "give me a child at 7 and I will give you the man"? Like it or not, that's brainwashing. I'm not brainwashed. I was brought up to understand one faith fully and to decide for myself what to believe. I've also been educated about science, history, philosophy and a load of other things that influence what I think about the world. More importantly, I was also brought up to respect the beliefs of people from all faiths, humanists and atheists and agnostics too. I'd choose that any day over being imbued with a dismissive attitude towards anyone who believes something different to what I do, hopefully that's not something your children are going to take from your 'education'. "Understand one faith fully"? What do you mean? That smacks of being told this is the true faith. The rest are false. You either believe your faith is the one true faith and the others are false, or you don't truly believe. Of course I have a dismissive attitude to religion. Not just Christianity. Any religion that has a supernatural being at the centre if it, to me, is by definition, ridiculous. I cannot respect anyone's religious belief if they choose to ignore the fact that there is not one shred of evidence to support it. Would you respect my belief in flying teapots? I understand the teachings of the Catholic faith. Some of them I believe in, much of it I don't. Some days I believe in God, some I don't. I've been told that is the one true faith. I can accept that others believe something else is the true faith. And others still that there is no true faith. None of these things are incompatible with Christian belief. Where is your scientific and undisputed evidence of no form of higher being or power? Or creation force? I don't believe God created the world in 7 days, I'm not a creationist, because I've been shown evidence about evolution. I've never been shown anything that's convinced me the start of life was all an accident or a coincidence. Mock me all you like, this doesn't make me brainwashed or you enlightened. Militant atheists are as rigid and inflexible as fundamentalists of any religion and if we're going round condemning and ridiculing anyone they should be prepared to be similarly challenged (especially when they're being a dick about other people's beliefs). You don't need evidence to prove something doesn't exist. You need evidence to prove something does. You have never seen anything that biogenesis could have started naturally? Look again. Its been theorised and performed in laboratories where amino acids were created. I'm not mocking you. I just think religion shuts down curiosity. I don't mind you condemning me, its water off s ducks back. Prove your gods exist and I will pay attention. I still wouldn't worship it. Its a nasty piece of work if ever there was one. You don't think you're mocking or ridiculing? You might want to reconsider your tone if that's not your intention
Religion hasn't shut down my curiosity. What shuts down curiosity is a rigid adherence to one set of ideas and dismissal as ridiculous anything that doesn't fit those ideas. Atheists can be just as guilty of that as people with a religious faith. "
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"You don't need evidence to prove something doesn't exist. You need evidence to prove something does." erm you need evidence to 'prove' anything. That's straight from The Good Book of Science | |||
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" I couldn't bring the up atheist. Their mother is catholic and had tryed from day one to bring them up the same way. I taught them to question and use logic, to me that's atheism, or at least the path that leads to it. No, that's not atheism. Atheism is the specific belief that there is no God. It's nothing to do with questioning anything. Read the last part of the sentence, after the comma. This isn't an exercise in semantics. Atheism is lack of belief, it is not a positive statement in the non existence of something. You cannot have a meaningful positive statement saying something doesn't exist. " Agnosticism is a lack of belief (or a not knowing either way). Atheism is the belief that there is no God. If you're going to teach your kids about religion, at least teach them properly. | |||
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" I couldn't bring the up atheist. Their mother is catholic and had tryed from day one to bring them up the same way. I taught them to question and use logic, to me that's atheism, or at least the path that leads to it. No, that's not atheism. Atheism is the specific belief that there is no God. It's nothing to do with questioning anything. Read the last part of the sentence, after the comma. This isn't an exercise in semantics. Atheism is lack of belief, it is not a positive statement in the non existence of something. You cannot have a meaningful positive statement saying something doesn't exist. Agnosticism is a lack of belief (or a not knowing either way). Atheism is the belief that there is no God. If you're going to teach your kids about religion, at least teach them properly." | |||
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a religious scientist? i cant believe i just typed those two words together
I know plenty of religious scientists. You know, people who actually work as scientists. Some of them even have PhD's. Why is that funny?"Atheism is for stupids, agnosticism is for thinking skeptics. And yes, there are many scientists who are also religious. | |||
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"More people should read Richard Dawkins The God Delusion. I tried. It seemed remarkably similar to what it was arguing against to me." Exactly!! Pot, kettle, black in terms of dogma! | |||
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"More people should read Richard Dawkins The God Delusion. I tried. It seemed remarkably similar to what it was arguing against to me. Exactly!! Pot, kettle, black in terms of dogma!" I tried to read it, but found myself too patronised and hectored to take it seriously. | |||
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" I couldn't bring the up atheist. Their mother is catholic and had tryed from day one to bring them up the same way. I taught them to question and use logic, to me that's atheism, or at least the path that leads to it. No, that's not atheism. Atheism is the specific belief that there is no God. It's nothing to do with questioning anything. Read the last part of the sentence, after the comma. This isn't an exercise in semantics. Atheism is lack of belief, it is not a positive statement in the non existence of something. You cannot have a meaningful positive statement saying something doesn't exist. " Isn't that the very definition of A-theist? Agnosticism is the only neutral stance. | |||
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" To be honest, the only people who are throwing insults about here are the "non believers."
You know, for people who don't believe in anything, they're hell-bent on preaching it. "Haha, I always notice that too 'Methinks the lady doth protest too much.....' Or as my ex used to taunt 'Why are you so angry with this God that does not exist?'  | |||
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"Religion will always have a part to play in people's lives and we shouldn't take that away from this country regardless of the denomination of them!! My ex wife goes to church regularly, whilst originally she always a query in her mind about religion, when she lost her father she turned to church and as we still share a home I've seen an amazing transformation in her as a person because of her belief!!! So those who scorn upon it should recognise the benefit church gives!! I sometime attend with her, she goes to two separate churches, one traditional and the other not so and the average age at the latter is around mid 20s! At both the congregation hits at least 150 which is good in the modern age both also utilising Rock bands for the music!! For those in the science corner you have to also see the arguments around the evolution of the planet but I do also refer you to the recent words of Stephen Hawkins who questioned that there probably is more to the the basis of the planet we live on than science and scientists would be wrong to dismiss a higher being!! That's one clever man I wouldn't argue with!!"
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"We are one of the nations with the lowest levels of religious belief globally. Many of us have some good sense, imo. I'd like to see an end to religions getting tax breaks, when many are business rackets. " That has to be the weakest argument yet which can be responded to with one word!! Starbucks!!! | |||
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"as long as they don't inflict insane bronze age concepts upon good humans xx "Please feel free to use correct dating. Bronze ages run from about 3300-600BC. Christians follow the New Testament, which was written AD. | |||
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"as long as they don't inflict insane bronze age concepts upon good humans xx
Please feel free to use correct dating.
Bronze ages run from about 3300-600BC.
Christians follow the New Testament, which was written AD."You're out of context x im fully aware but as clearly noted above Jesus the said ad Christ told his followers to adhere to the old law You will find Islam was made up even later ad but has its core based upon OT law | |||
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"as long as they don't inflict insane bronze age concepts upon good humans xx
Please feel free to use correct dating.
Bronze ages run from about 3300-600BC.
Christians follow the New Testament, which was written AD."Just curious have you not ever heard a self proclaimed xtian refer to the ten commandments lol Which themselves are a nonsense 4 of which are "Love this god not another" written and rephrased | |||
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"as long as they don't inflict insane bronze age concepts upon good humans xx
Please feel free to use correct dating.
Bronze ages run from about 3300-600BC.
Christians follow the New Testament, which was written AD.
You're out of context x im fully aware but as clearly noted above Jesus the said ad Christ told his followers to adhere to the old law
You will find Islam was made up even later ad but has its core based upon OT law
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"So many self proclaimed atheists on this thread who don't know what it means. " spot on | |||
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"as long as they don't inflict insane bronze age concepts upon good humans xx
Please feel free to use correct dating.
Bronze ages run from about 3300-600BC.
Christians follow the New Testament, which was written AD.
You're out of context x im fully aware but as clearly noted above Jesus the said ad Christ told his followers to adhere to the old law
You will find Islam was made up even later ad but has its core based upon OT law
That's great. But Christians follow and interpret the New Testament. Not the Old Testament.
Other religions are based on the Old Testament. But Christianity is based on the New Testament."Yes and my final summery included atheists and I forgot jews the sentiment remains xx Yes and the new Testament says to follow the old it's the same god myth the same god that Christians say gave them the commandments xx | |||
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"So many self proclaimed atheists on this thread who don't know what it means. " It does appear that you do not understand what an atheist is | |||
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"So many self proclaimed atheists on this thread who don't know what it means. It does appear that you do not understand what an atheist is " No; it doesn't. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. Yes I was taught about all the major world religions. You can be taught that your religion is the truth while being educated that other people believe something different and to understand what and why that is, and why they have the right to practice that religion or no religion. Why do your children go to a C of E school if 'luckily' you're bringing them up to believe it's all bollocks, and presumably to dismiss those who do choose to believe? Because the other schools round here are either, catholic (even worse!) Or just, to be quite blunt, shit. I had an excellent education at my Catholic school, I'd send my kids there in a heartbeat if I had any (as would my atheist husband). I would have allowed them to go to the catholic schools, they used to have good results, but they have turned to shit to, now. Im not scared of indoctrination, because its something I have warned them about, and not to accept. Question everything, was my advice to them, hence their atheism (priests, monks and nuns always collapse under questioning!). Ideally, for me ALL schools would be non denominational. I don't believe religious INSTRUCTION belongs in schools, whether they be state run or private. That is a parents job, not a schools. But if a parent chooses to send their child to a school where they will receive religious EDUCATION from the context of a specific faith, that is completely legitimate. I know, I just don't think religious schools should exist. Stop brainwashing kids, and religion would disappear from this country within two or three generations. And we would be all the better for it. We could scrap PE at the same time and teach them something useful. Like extra science, philosophy, more detailed home economics. ANYTHING! Have you not brainwashed your nippers into being atheist or did you only suggest it to them ? " But we aren't born with a faith in a higher deity, we aren't born instantly believing in a religion, so you can't brainwash someone into not believing in something they never believed in in the first place. | |||
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"Would Jesus have turned his back on refugees? No A lot of Brits want to 'protect' Christian values as long as it suits their agenda, often based upon prejudice. Ask them to feed the needy, cloth the poor, care for the sick and they'll say "fuck off you weren't born here". We send lots of aid out and are doing Now as I speak to nepal where it is badly needed after the earthquakes, Your rude negative response adds nothing to this post but disdain. I don't ever remember learning of Jesus saying "papers please!". " | |||
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" You don't need evidence to prove something doesn't exist. You need evidence to prove something does. I can prove that there is no oxygen in a vacuum. It's a remarkably easy test involving a lit candle. Tell me again how you don't need evidence to prove the lack of something?" but you aren't disproving the existence of oxygen. A similar experiment actually proves the existence of oxygen. If you could remove god from a box and show me that god had been present inside the box before you removed him I would be compelled to believe in the existence of god, because that is parallel to the scientific experiment you proposed. You need to prove the existence of something before you can claim it is real. Evolution was a hypothesis until it was proven. The Higgs Bowen particle wasn't declared real until concrete evidence was provided. Gorillas and duck-billed platypus were brought in as live specimens in order to be believed in. They were proven. Bigfoot and god and Loch Ness are unproven, no evidence. | |||
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" You don't need evidence to prove something doesn't exist. You need evidence to prove something does. I can prove that there is no oxygen in a vacuum. It's a remarkably easy test involving a lit candle. Tell me again how you don't need evidence to prove the lack of something? but you aren't disproving the existence of oxygen. A similar experiment actually proves the existence of oxygen. If you could remove god from a box and show me that god had been present inside the box before you removed him I would be compelled to believe in the existence of god, because that is parallel to the scientific experiment you proposed. You need to prove the existence of something before you can claim it is real. Evolution was a hypothesis until it was proven. The Higgs Bowen particle wasn't declared real until concrete evidence was provided. Gorillas and duck-billed platypus were brought in as live specimens in order to be believed in. They were proven. Bigfoot and god and Loch Ness are unproven, no evidence." I think I've tried to say in an earlier post things like the Higgs Boson are experiments to try and work out how something happened but it is an experiment to test a theory it could turn out to be right and I'm no physicist to argue one way or the other but someone could in a 100 years come up with some other reason behind particles!! Look at the Big Bang Theory (not the TV show) it's just that it's a theory of what scientists think happened based on what's happening now, but they aren't able to fully prove it happened, no-one was around to make notes, so a bit like the Loch Ness monster really in reality not seen but we believe in it | |||
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" You don't need evidence to prove something doesn't exist. You need evidence to prove something does. I can prove that there is no oxygen in a vacuum. It's a remarkably easy test involving a lit candle. Tell me again how you don't need evidence to prove the lack of something? but you aren't disproving the existence of oxygen. A similar experiment actually proves the existence of oxygen. If you could remove god from a box and show me that god had been present inside the box before you removed him I would be compelled to believe in the existence of god, because that is parallel to the scientific experiment you proposed. You need to prove the existence of something before you can claim it is real. Evolution was a hypothesis until it was proven. The Higgs Bowen particle wasn't declared real until concrete evidence was provided. Gorillas and duck-billed platypus were brought in as live specimens in order to be believed in. They were proven. Bigfoot and god and Loch Ness are unproven, no evidence. I think I've tried to say in an earlier post things like the Higgs Boson are experiments to try and work out how something happened but it is an experiment to test a theory it could turn out to be right and I'm no physicist to argue one way or the other but someone could in a 100 years come up with some other reason behind particles!! Look at the Big Bang Theory (not the TV show) it's just that it's a theory of what scientists think happened based on what's happening now, but they aren't able to fully prove it happened, no-one was around to make notes, so a bit like the Loch Ness monster really in reality not seen but we believe in it" sorry - the Big Bang and Loch Ness have equally compelling evidence in your mind? For real? | |||
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" You don't need evidence to prove something doesn't exist. You need evidence to prove something does. I can prove that there is no oxygen in a vacuum. It's a remarkably easy test involving a lit candle. Tell me again how you don't need evidence to prove the lack of something? but you aren't disproving the existence of oxygen. A similar experiment actually proves the existence of oxygen. If you could remove god from a box and show me that god had been present inside the box before you removed him I would be compelled to believe in the existence of god, because that is parallel to the scientific experiment you proposed. You need to prove the existence of something before you can claim it is real. Evolution was a hypothesis until it was proven. The Higgs Bowen particle wasn't declared real until concrete evidence was provided. Gorillas and duck-billed platypus were brought in as live specimens in order to be believed in. They were proven. Bigfoot and god and Loch Ness are unproven, no evidence. I think I've tried to say in an earlier post things like the Higgs Boson are experiments to try and work out how something happened but it is an experiment to test a theory it could turn out to be right and I'm no physicist to argue one way or the other but someone could in a 100 years come up with some other reason behind particles!! Look at the Big Bang Theory (not the TV show) it's just that it's a theory of what scientists think happened based on what's happening now, but they aren't able to fully prove it happened, no-one was around to make notes, so a bit like the Loch Ness monster really in reality not seen but we believe in it sorry - the Big Bang and Loch Ness have equally compelling evidence in your mind? For real? " No I wasn't saying that and I'm surprised you have construed my words in that way it was pretty clear where my argument was aimed but to explain it for clarification. I was saying people believe in a big bang theory but there is not definitive evidence only guess work based on whats happening now, whilst people (not me mind) want to believe in the Loch Ness Monster because of what people think they have seen but there is no definitive evidence only guess work based on hazy pictures etc. In other words we can't definitively say that both exist. I remember my Science teachers telling me that Science was only results of experiments and in some case accidents (pencillin) and may not be fully proven, its a science after all. There is plenty of evidence in history to prove this where scientific evidence has been disproved so has had to be re-evaluated by others in science! Hope that clarifies the reason behind my argument I wasnt comparing the two just explaining a rationale behind what can be seen and can't! Because neither of us have seen the Big Bang Theory have we? | |||
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"Even scientists acknowledge the possibility of a creator. Just saying
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I know plenty of religious scientists. You know, people who actually work as scientists. Some of them even have PhD's. Why is that funny?
Because they believe in a made up god....that is hilarious..."Do you begrudge people having belief in something if it helps them get through life? Plenty of people out there have a belief in.... oh I don't know how about Star Trek? Its not real but these Trekkies see it almost as a religion, follow the programme, characters, actors, the details behind the show et al. But its fictional and if the possible fiction in "God" helps those who believe in God then let them live that life? I have seen many people change for the better because of this, is there any harm in that? I think its wrong for those who don't believe in God to criticize those who do, or maybe there is a fear of actually becoming a believer if they get to close........ | |||
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"as long as they don't inflict insane bronze age concepts upon good humans xx
Please feel free to use correct dating.
Bronze ages run from about 3300-600BC.
Christians follow the New Testament, which was written AD.
You're out of context x im fully aware but as clearly noted above Jesus the said ad Christ told his followers to adhere to the old law
You will find Islam was made up even later ad but has its core based upon OT law
That's great. But Christians follow and interpret the New Testament. Not the Old Testament.
Other religions are based on the Old Testament. But Christianity is based on the New Testament."Then why does my families priest quote chapter and verse from the old testament during mass? The new testament is just an appendum. | |||
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" I couldn't bring the up atheist. Their mother is catholic and had tryed from day one to bring them up the same way. I taught them to question and use logic, to me that's atheism, or at least the path that leads to it. No, that's not atheism. Atheism is the specific belief that there is no God. It's nothing to do with questioning anything. Read the last part of the sentence, after the comma. This isn't an exercise in semantics. Atheism is lack of belief, it is not a positive statement in the non existence of something. You cannot have a meaningful positive statement saying something doesn't exist. Agnosticism is a lack of belief (or a not knowing either way). Atheism is the belief that there is no God. If you're going to teach your kids about religion, at least teach them properly. "Agnosticism, is as you say not knowing. And being prepared to go either way. Atheism is, by definition, lack of belief. The clue is in the origins of the word. | |||
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I know plenty of religious scientists. You know, people who actually work as scientists. Some of them even have PhD's. Why is that funny?
Atheism is for stupids, agnosticism is for thinking skeptics.
And yes, there are many scientists who are also religious.
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"More people should read Richard Dawkins The God Delusion. I tried. It seemed remarkably similar to what it was arguing against to me. Exactly!! Pot, kettle, black in terms of dogma! I tried to read it, but found myself too patronised and hectored to take it seriously." Couldnt you just keep turning the other cheek as you turned a new page? | |||
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"Religion will always have a part to play in people's lives and we shouldn't take that away from this country regardless of the denomination of them!! My ex wife goes to church regularly, whilst originally she always a query in her mind about religion, when she lost her father she turned to church and as we still share a home I've seen an amazing transformation in her as a person because of her belief!!! So those who scorn upon it should recognise the benefit church gives!! I sometime attend with her, she goes to two separate churches, one traditional and the other not so and the average age at the latter is around mid 20s! At both the congregation hits at least 150 which is good in the modern age both also utilising Rock bands for the music!! For those in the science corner you have to also see the arguments around the evolution of the planet but I do also refer you to the recent words of Stephen Hawkins who questioned that there probably is more to the the basis of the planet we live on than science and scientists would be wrong to dismiss a higher being!! That's one clever man I wouldn't argue with!!" Why not argue with him? His thoughts on god, are no more important or enlightened than anyone elses. I would argue with him till the cows come home if, I felt he was wrong. The same reason that I will argue with a pope. | |||
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"So many self proclaimed atheists on this thread who don't know what it means. " Quite a lot of "self proclaimed" christians don't seem to have a clue either. That's not a dig at you though. | |||
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"I would say its mostly a protistant country, as for the Christian thing I think you mean catholic christians are more of an american religion or at least I've never heard of them in any other country" Err....lots of catholics in UK, Eire, France, Spain, Italy, Poland, Germany.... | |||
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"More people should read Richard Dawkins The God Delusion. I tried. It seemed remarkably similar to what it was arguing against to me. Seemed very logical to me." Seemed logically presented to me to but so did Thomas Acquinas in his day. Just because it sounds logical doesn't mean it is either logical or right. You have to test the argument against an equally good argument from the other perspective and remove your own bias to come to a truly informed position. | |||
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"I'll just add an apt quote from Christopher Hitchens, much missed in my opinion; "If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in a quite different world." " I think they tried that already in Russia and China. Didn't work out so well. | |||
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" Did you come to the conclusion that there is a god, independently, or was it something taught to you from infancy? I went to church and was taught about Christianity there, at home and at school. When I was old enough I questioned it, a lot, and made my own mind up from there. Have your children come to the conclusion that there is no god, independently, or is this something you've told them from infancy? I told them to think and question. The logical answer for them was atheism. Their mother tryed to imbue a faith into them, but it failed to take root, thankfully. You were taught at home and school from an early age, ever wonder why the Jesuit saying goes, "give me a child at 7 and I will give you the man"? Like it or not, that's brainwashing. I'm not brainwashed. I was brought up to understand one faith fully and to decide for myself what to believe. I've also been educated about science, history, philosophy and a load of other things that influence what I think about the world. More importantly, I was also brought up to respect the beliefs of people from all faiths, humanists and atheists and agnostics too. I'd choose that any day over being imbued with a dismissive attitude towards anyone who believes something different to what I do, hopefully that's not something your children are going to take from your 'education'. "Understand one faith fully"? What do you mean? That smacks of being told this is the true faith. The rest are false. You either believe your faith is the one true faith and the others are false, or you don't truly believe. Of course I have a dismissive attitude to religion. Not just Christianity. Any religion that has a supernatural being at the centre if it, to me, is by definition, ridiculous. I cannot respect anyone's religious belief if they choose to ignore the fact that there is not one shred of evidence to support it. Would you respect my belief in flying teapots? I understand the teachings of the Catholic faith. Some of them I believe in, much of it I don't. Some days I believe in God, some I don't. I've been told that is the one true faith. I can accept that others believe something else is the true faith. And others still that there is no true faith. None of these things are incompatible with Christian belief. Where is your scientific and undisputed evidence of no form of higher being or power? Or creation force? I don't believe God created the world in 7 days, I'm not a creationist, because I've been shown evidence about evolution. I've never been shown anything that's convinced me the start of life was all an accident or a coincidence. Mock me all you like, this doesn't make me brainwashed or you enlightened. Militant atheists are as rigid and inflexible as fundamentalists of any religion and if we're going round condemning and ridiculing anyone they should be prepared to be similarly challenged (especially when they're being a dick about other people's beliefs). You don't need evidence to prove something doesn't exist. You need evidence to prove something does. You have never seen anything that biogenesis could have started naturally? Look again. Its been theorised and performed in laboratories where amino acids were created. I'm not mocking you. I just think religion shuts down curiosity. I don't mind you condemning me, its water off s ducks back. Prove your gods exist and I will pay attention. I still wouldn't worship it. Its a nasty piece of work if ever there was one. You don't think you're mocking or ridiculing? You might want to reconsider your tone if that's not your intention
Religion hasn't shut down my curiosity. What shuts down curiosity is a rigid adherence to one set of ideas and dismissal as ridiculous anything that doesn't fit those ideas. Atheists can be just as guilty of that as people with a religious faith. "In my experience atheists are far worse than any. You just can't reason with them. I think they're scared we're all trying to convert them or something. !! | |||
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"My grandparents never questioned their faith, my dad went to a priest training college and I almost didn't exist but these days, now that my grandparents are long gone there is nobody who actually has catholic faith. My sister wants to get her kids in the good schools so she got them christened but it's all just networking. You'll never see a UK prime minister say he's an atheist, our legal system is based on people swearing an oath on the bible and fearing the results of breaking that oath. Same goes for America, they have 'in God we trust' on every piece of currency. If Obama said he doesn't believe in God he would in effect be saying he doesn't believe American money is worth anything. It's all bollocks but we're stuck with it for a while." Is it really all bollocks? That's a very sweeping statement. Can you be really that sure about anything to know it's all bollocks? | |||
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"So many self proclaimed atheists on this thread who don't know what it means. It does appear that you do not understand what an atheist is " I think we all understand what being an atheist is as you do to. We all also understand that saying you have no belief in a god is actually exactly the same as saying you believe there is no god. Whether you want to call it a belief or none belief is just semantics and largely irrelevant to the argument. | |||
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" You don't need evidence to prove something doesn't exist. You need evidence to prove something does. I can prove that there is no oxygen in a vacuum. It's a remarkably easy test involving a lit candle. Tell me again how you don't need evidence to prove the lack of something? All you have done is prove there is no oxygen in the container. It doesn't disprove the existence of oxygen. You experiment to prove something exists. Keep doing it till you have proof, or just admit the likelihood of whatever it is your proposing, actually exists, is incredibly small." I wonder if it would be any easier to prove the existence of gravity, which I hope we all agree does exist? | |||
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"Everyone has their own beliefs, which should be respected. I personally don't believe in this whole religion crap. I was christened, most of my family were christened, but things have happened in my life which made me stop n think about it all." You say everyone's beliefs should be respected, then you call it 'religion crap'. Which is it? You can say something is not for you without using insulting words like that. | |||
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"I would say its mostly a protistant country, as for the Christian thing I think you mean catholic christians are more of an american religion or at least I've never heard of them in any other country" I'm just wondering... But have you heard of the Pope? Cause this dude, he lives in Vatican City... Which is inside Rome. He's head of the Catholic Church - that's a pretty big deal. And I'm not sure if you've ever wandered round the UK or Europe with your eyes open, but most of the churches and cathedrals in Europe are Catholic. America is mostly more modern variants of Christianity. Although there are Catholics there too. Which is unsurprising, because it's quite a modern country. | |||
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"More people should read Richard Dawkins The God Delusion. I tried. It seemed remarkably similar to what it was arguing against to me. Seemed very logical to me. Seemed logically presented to me to but so did Thomas Acquinas in his day. Just because it sounds logical doesn't mean it is either logical or right. You have to test the argument against an equally good argument from the other perspective and remove your own bias to come to a truly informed position." That's a lot of words to say not very much
I'm married to a Catholic and have worked with a lot of religious community leaders so this kind of debate comes up a lot.
I think if you're promoting Atheism as a movement you're only one step away from a religion. Besides which the first two chapters bored me stiff.
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"Better than being full of Muslims trying to take over They already have.. "Care to back that up with statistics...particularly in East Devon! | |||
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"Even scientists acknowledge the possibility of a creator. Just saying
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I know plenty of religious scientists. You know, people who actually work as scientists. Some of them even have PhD's. Why is that funny?
Atheism is for stupids, agnosticism is for thinking skeptics.
And yes, there are many scientists who are also religious.
Agnosticism is for fence sitters! Stop dilly dallying and make up your mind! "Not really, I go along my merry way not believing in God but if someone came to me with categorical proof that God existed, how could I deny it? That's not fence sitting, that's just common sense. | |||
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"More people should read Richard Dawkins The God Delusion. I tried. It seemed remarkably similar to what it was arguing against to me. Seemed very logical to me. Seemed logically presented to me to but so did Thomas Acquinas in his day. Just because it sounds logical doesn't mean it is either logical or right. You have to test the argument against an equally good argument from the other perspective and remove your own bias to come to a truly informed position. That's a lot of words to say not very much
"I can say a lot less with even more words if your really want.
" I'm married to a Catholic and have worked with a lot of religious community leaders so this kind of debate comes up a lot. I think if you're promoting Atheism as a movement you're only one step away from a religion. Besides which the first two chapters bored me stiff. " | |||
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I know plenty of religious scientists. You know, people who actually work as scientists. Some of them even have PhD's. Why is that funny?
Atheism is for stupids, agnosticism is for thinking skeptics.
And yes, there are many scientists who are also religious.
Agnosticism is for fence sitters! Stop dilly dallying and make up your mind!
Not really, I go along my merry way not believing in God but if someone came to me with categorical proof that God existed, how could I deny it? That's not fence sitting, that's just common sense."That sounds so reasonable but isn't really. We all believe things that can not be proved and just because some things cannot be proved does not mean they are not real or true. That's not saying that you should believe in God, a god or gods. Simply that just because no one can prove it does not mean it is not true it's simply unproven. | |||
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"Everyone has their own beliefs, which should be respected. I personally don't believe in this whole religion crap. I was christened, most of my family were christened, but things have happened in my life which made me stop n think about it all. You say everyone's beliefs should be respected, then you call it 'religion crap'. Which is it? You can say something is not for you without using insulting words like that." very true!! | |||
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"Even scientists acknowledge the possibility of a creator. Just saying
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I know plenty of religious scientists. You know, people who actually work as scientists. Some of them even have PhD's. Why is that funny?
Atheism is for stupids, agnosticism is for thinking skeptics.
And yes, there are many scientists who are also religious.
Agnosticism is for fence sitters! Stop dilly dallying and make up your mind!
Not really, I go along my merry way not believing in God but if someone came to me with categorical proof that God existed, how could I deny it? That's not fence sitting, that's just common sense.
That sounds so reasonable but isn't really. We all believe things that can not be proved and just because some things cannot be proved does not mean they are not real or true. That's not saying that you should believe in God, a god or gods. Simply that just because no one can prove it does not mean it is not true it's simply unproven."
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I know plenty of religious scientists. You know, people who actually work as scientists. Some of them even have PhD's. Why is that funny?
Atheism is for stupids, agnosticism is for thinking skeptics.
And yes, there are many scientists who are also religious.
Agnosticism is for fence sitters! Stop dilly dallying and make up your mind!
Not really, I go along my merry way not believing in God but if someone came to me with categorical proof that God existed, how could I deny it? That's not fence sitting, that's just common sense.
That sounds so reasonable but isn't really. We all believe things that can not be proved and just because some things cannot be proved does not mean they are not real or true. That's not saying that you should believe in God, a god or gods. Simply that just because no one can prove it does not mean it is not true it's simply unproven."And as I'm skeptical by nature, I tend to only believe in the proven things, so it's a perfectly reasonable philosophical path for me to take. | |||
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" And as I'm skeptical by nature, I tend to only believe in the proven things, so it's a perfectly reasonable philosophical path for me to take." Now what was that quote about Doubting Thomas? "...be not faithless, but believing" sorry couldn't resist | |||
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"How can swingers be christians? You are all going to burn in hell for your sins!!!! "Christians twist their BS religion to whatever suits them, same as all the others. The only accurate belief is hypocrisy. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.." Legally, yes. The Queen is both head of state and the head of the CofE (the state religion of England). The churches of Scotland and Wales are part of the Anglican Communion. Whether or not it is by sheer numbers is a different question entirely.... I believe there was a recent poll that showed athiests/agnostics/antithiests/people of no faith to be in the majority. | |||
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"How can swingers be christians? You are all going to burn in hell for your sins!!!!
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. As a Christian, it doesn't really matter to me if we're a Christian country. I'll keep practicing and my friends of other religions will keep practicing. Historically it's a large part of our identity in this country and to just get rid of that would be a shame. My own Christian education was good for me as well, so I think it would be a shame to lose that style of teaching for those that wish to have it. I'd agree with that, having gone to a religious school I got far more education about other religions than my friends at non-faith schools did. We can be a country where our history, traditions and laws have been influenced by Christianity while still welcoming people of other faiths to practice them here - it's not an either/or situation. Really?? I went to a non denominational school and had RE taught by an atheist. We got taught about a lot more than the the Abrahamic faiths. NY kids go to a c of e and their taught their religion is the truth. Luckily I have brought them up atheist from day one. Despite my wife having them baptised, confirmed etc in the catholic church. Yes I was taught about all the major world religions. You can be taught that your religion is the truth while being educated that other people believe something different and to understand what and why that is, and why they have the right to practice that religion or no religion. Why do your children go to a C of E school if 'luckily' you're bringing them up to believe it's all bollocks, and presumably to dismiss those who do choose to believe? Because the other schools round here are either, catholic (even worse!) Or just, to be quite blunt, shit. I had an excellent education at my Catholic school, I'd send my kids there in a heartbeat if I had any (as would my atheist husband). I would have allowed them to go to the catholic schools, they used to have good results, but they have turned to shit to, now. Im not scared of indoctrination, because its something I have warned them about, and not to accept. Question everything, was my advice to them, hence their atheism (priests, monks and nuns always collapse under questioning!). Ideally, for me ALL schools would be non denominational. I don't believe religious INSTRUCTION belongs in schools, whether they be state run or private. That is a parents job, not a schools. But if a parent chooses to send their child to a school where they will receive religious EDUCATION from the context of a specific faith, that is completely legitimate. I know, I just don't think religious schools should exist. Stop brainwashing kids, and religion would disappear from this country within two or three generations. And we would be all the better for it. We could scrap PE at the same time and teach them something useful. Like extra science, philosophy, more detailed home economics. ANYTHING! Have you not brainwashed your nippers into being atheist or did you only suggest it to them ? " great point | |||
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Are we? I thought Christ came to save sinner not to condemn them but what would I know?
So, what you are saying is, we can sin as much as we like because Jesus will save us when we die? "I'm not saying anything except that it's not for me or anyone else to condemn other people for their sins. It is between them and God if they believe in him. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. Legally, yes. The Queen is both head of state and the head of the CofE (the state religion of England). The churches of Scotland and Wales are part of the Anglican Communion. Whether or not it is by sheer numbers is a different question entirely.... I believe there was a recent poll that showed athiests/agnostics/antithiests/people of no faith to be in the majority. " My take is that we're pretty much a secular state now but still informed by religious morals and values. | |||
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"My take is that we're pretty much a secular state now but still informed by religious morals and values." In practice, I think you're pretty much spot on. | |||
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"Heard a news story that was trying to say the UK is a christian country. Is this still true? One minute were a melting pot, then we're a christian country, we can't be both surely.. Legally, yes. The Queen is both head of state and the head of the CofE (the state religion of England). The churches of Scotland and Wales are part of the Anglican Communion. Whether or not it is by sheer numbers is a different question entirely.... I believe there was a recent poll that showed athiests/agnostics/antithiests/people of no faith to be in the majority. My take is that we're pretty much a secular state now but still informed by religious morals and values." In practise I think I'd like sinning with you. :=) he he | |||
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I know plenty of religious scientists. You know, people who actually work as scientists. Some of them even have PhD's. Why is that funny?
Atheism is for stupids, agnosticism is for thinking skeptics.
And yes, there are many scientists who are also religious.
Agnosticism is for fence sitters! Stop dilly dallying and make up your mind!
Not really, I go along my merry way not believing in God but if someone came to me with categorical proof that God existed, how could I deny it? That's not fence sitting, that's just common sense.
That sounds so reasonable but isn't really. We all believe things that can not be proved and just because some things cannot be proved does not mean they are not real or true. That's not saying that you should believe in God, a god or gods. Simply that just because no one can prove it does not mean it is not true it's simply unproven."Yup, so I know for a fact my Mother loves me. | |||
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