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"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. " If Labour get in with the help of the SNP they will be able to vote & pass through legislation that doesn't effect Scotland!!! That's where the danger lies.. | |||
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" Of course, if everyone gets out and actually votes instead of moaning about it all we could all be surprised. The undecided in every poll hold the key to the next government." this.. the apathy is staggering, maybe its why 'we' get what we deserve.. | |||
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"The reality is that we are likely to have a minority government and that means the smaller parties will be able to get their voices heard. Five years of deals. Of course, if everyone gets out and actually votes instead of moaning about it all we could all be surprised. The undecided in every poll hold the key to the next government." 
Though I'd rather not have a Government held to ransom by the loony far right (like John Major was) or the union barons. Just hope the Lib dems do well enough to make a difference either way.
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"The reality is that we are likely to have a minority government and that means the smaller parties will be able to get their voices heard. Five years of deals. Of course, if everyone gets out and actually votes instead of moaning about it all we could all be surprised. The undecided in every poll hold the key to the next government." Assuming we have a hung parliament and a minority government with deals only done on a vote by vote basis, how do they decide which party is in government and who is the pm? | |||
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" Of course, if everyone gets out and actually votes instead of moaning about it all we could all be surprised. The undecided in every poll hold the key to the next government. this.. the apathy is staggering, maybe its why 'we' get what we deserve.. " its exactly what the Torys and the right wing media want apathy as Tory voters always tend to vote what ever whereas the rest only vote when they think they can make a difference | |||
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"there will be a coalition that looks a certainty but what isn't is who will get the biggest share of votes.if the tories do get in who are they going to get in bed with it won't be the limp debs this time so that leaves ukip,greens or snp.the tories are very quiet when it comes to the ppl they want to work with" There doesnt need to be a coalition there might be a deal by deal and SNP will never do any kind of coalition or deal with the Tories and i doubt the greens would do any deal either | |||
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"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. " People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear. Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign? | |||
"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear. Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign?" People can vote for whatever party they want but i dont get why all this badmouthing the SNP is needed if people vote SNP that is democracy and the referendum has been and gone thats now in the past this is about the future of the UK and Scotland is part of the UK. | |||
"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear. Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign? People can vote for whatever party they want but i dont get why all this badmouthing the SNP is needed if people vote SNP that is democracy and the referendum has been and gone thats now in the past this is about the future of the UK and Scotland is part of the UK." A strong vote in this election for SNP will undoubtedly lead to renewed calls for total devolution. If the people want it enough it will happen. | |||
"All i remember of john major is that he was very grey, and liked peas" I thought it was he looked like he was made of rubber and grey peas was his every meal. | |||
"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear. Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign? People can vote for whatever party they want but i dont get why all this badmouthing the SNP is needed if people vote SNP that is democracy and the referendum has been and gone thats now in the past this is about the future of the UK and Scotland is part of the UK." Everyone is bad mouthing everyone else in this election. The SNP aren't being targeted especially. The SNP's sole raison d'être is separation. Everything they do is aimed towards that. | |||
"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear. Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign? People can vote for whatever party they want but i dont get why all this badmouthing the SNP is needed if people vote SNP that is democracy and the referendum has been and gone thats now in the past this is about the future of the UK and Scotland is part of the UK. Everyone is bad mouthing everyone else in this election. The SNP aren't being targeted especially. The SNP's sole raison d'être is separation. Everything they do is aimed towards that." Well more badmouthing SNP than any other party. Yes SNP and their members want to end the union theres no hiding that. but is there another scottish referendum? No none of the plans to happen if there ever is again then that would be right of the people of Scotland to say if there is or not not SNP. So again the referendum is been and gone. | |||
"The SNP's sole raison d'être is separation. Everything they do is aimed towards that." Oo'er....... "raison d'être"..... how very Kenneth Williams... Ohhhhh Matron......  | |||
"I quite like him..... "Didn't mind him either. Defo an improvement from Thatcher. | |||
"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear. Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign? People can vote for whatever party they want but i dont get why all this badmouthing the SNP is needed if people vote SNP that is democracy and the referendum has been and gone thats now in the past this is about the future of the UK and Scotland is part of the UK. Everyone is bad mouthing everyone else in this election. The SNP aren't being targeted especially. The SNP's sole raison d'être is separation. Everything they do is aimed towards that." If you read the British media, the sole reason for the SNP to exist is to destroy the UK. They are receiving far more negative attention than any other party, that is undeniable. Even if the SNP want eventual separation, it does not follow logically that means they wish to see the UK fail economically - quite the opposite, in fact. And yet they are being painted as some sort of fiscal anarchists. The fact is that the vast majority of people who support the Labour party would prefer them to be more like the SNP, and less like the Labour party. | |||
"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. If Labour get in with the help of the SNP they will be able to vote & pass through legislation that doesn't effect Scotland!!! That's where the danger lies.." the problem with misinformed statements like this is people then start to believe them. Even start to quote them the SNP do not vote on issues pertaining to England only the problem lyes when they do vote on say the amount of new investment in the NHS in England you then hear English MPs scream this is an English matter don't you no well no you don't because although the money and all votes concerning public spending of any kind in England sound as though they are English only matters they directly effect how much money Scotland gets because of the BARNETT formula Scotland gets about 10% of monies spent on English public services. So if there's an increase of say 10 billion for England that automatically means an increase of 1 billion for Scotland. Visa versa if it's a decrease. Hence the reason not everything is as clear cut as it seems. But in true England only matters the SNP do not vote hence they have refused to form a coalition with labour in event of a hung parliament and will only vote on an issue by issue basis and why the Tory's are so pissed because Nicola like Alex before her has said the third largest party in the uk will not under any circumstances prop up a Tory government | |||
"I quite like him.....
Didn't mind him either. Defo an improvement from Thatcher."I quite liked her too.... | |||
"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear. Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign? People can vote for whatever party they want but i dont get why all this badmouthing the SNP is needed if people vote SNP that is democracy and the referendum has been and gone thats now in the past this is about the future of the UK and Scotland is part of the UK."
The tories are using the same scare mongering tactics they did in September. Only pity is the media help and the gullible greedy selfish believe. | |||
"The SNP's sole raison d'être is separation. Everything they do is aimed towards that. Oo'er....... "raison d'être"..... how very Kenneth Williams... Ohhhhh Matron...... "That's the Auld Alliance for you | |||
"The reality is that we are likely to have a minority government and that means the smaller parties will be able to get their voices heard. Five years of deals. Of course, if everyone gets out and actually votes instead of moaning about it all we could all be surprised. The undecided in every poll hold the key to the next government. Assuming we have a hung parliament and a minority government with deals only done on a vote by vote basis, how do they decide which party is in government and who is the pm?" The House votes for the Queens Speech. It's how it's done even if there is a clear majority. With a clear majority you know the Queen's Speech will be accepted. | |||
"there will be a coalition that looks a certainty but what isn't is who will get the biggest share of votes.if the tories do get in who are they going to get in bed with it won't be the limp debs this time so that leaves ukip,greens or snp.the tories are very quiet when it comes to the ppl they want to work with" The Conservatives have the other Nigel (DUP) ready to offer their support, I suspect. | |||
"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. If Labour get in with the help of the SNP they will be able to vote & pass through legislation that doesn't effect Scotland!!! That's where the danger lies.." | |||
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"John Major used to regularly put his dick inside Edwina Currie, knowing this can anybody take him seriously?" She always warned him about thay Salmond-fella! 
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"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible." There could be an end to austerity it has to start somewhere. 2015 and we have foodbanks is shocking! | |||
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"John Major used to regularly put his dick inside Edwina Currie, knowing this can anybody take him seriously?" Irrevilent | |||
"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about" What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard. | |||
"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard. " Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out. | |||
"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible." I have to agree with you, we have £1.5tr debt on which the interest alone is costing us £60bn a year (just imagine what happens when interest rates go up!). Listening to people like Nicola Sturgeon saying we need to borrow more is just crazy. That said I do think we need to try and do more to stimulate growth while seeking to create a budget surplus each year. | |||
"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard. Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out." Right so because we had our say in Sept now we should sit down and not be heard ? just be happy for whatever happens | |||
"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible." Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks. Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up. Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money. | |||
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"They are desperate, so not surprising. As John Major is the closest thing the Tories have to a working class person, he has been wheeled out to try to appeal to the common man. "the only connection he has with the common man is that he likes a curry... didnt he have an edweaner one . .  | |||
"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard. Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out. Right so because we had our say in Sept now we should sit down and not be heard ? just be happy for whatever happens " Jump up and down and make as much noise as you like but remember we were promised this was a 'once in a generation' event. The democracy you're so fond of demands you stick by that promise. | |||
"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard. Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out. Right so because we had our say in Sept now we should sit down and not be heard ? just be happy for whatever happens Jump up and down and make as much noise as you like but remember we were promised this was a 'once in a generation' event. The democracy you're so fond of demands you stick by that promise." no democracy means by the will of the people and if the people demand it then it should and will happen and promises are a two way street there is no sign all the bribes offered to vote no have been honored yet | |||
"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard. Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out. Right so because we had our say in Sept now we should sit down and not be heard ? just be happy for whatever happens Jump up and down and make as much noise as you like but remember we were promised this was a 'once in a generation' event. The democracy you're so fond of demands you stick by that promise.no democracy means by the will of the people and if the people demand it then it should and will happen and promises are a two way street there is no sign all the bribes offered to vote no have been honored yet" | |||
"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible. Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks. Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up. Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money." So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt? | |||
"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. If Labour get in with the help of the SNP they will be able to vote & pass through legislation that doesn't effect Scotland!!! You mean something like the poll tax could be trialled in England first !!!!! That's where the danger lies.." | |||
"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard. Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out. Right so because we had our say in Sept now we should sit down and not be heard ? just be happy for whatever happens Jump up and down and make as much noise as you like but remember we were promised this was a 'once in a generation' event. The democracy you're so fond of demands you stick by that promise.no democracy means by the will of the people and if the people demand it then it should and will happen and promises are a two way street there is no sign all the bribes offered to vote no have been honored yet" The 'will of the people' was for No. The 'Vow' is on it's way. You may not have notice but there's an election going on. THAT'S democracy. | |||
"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible. Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks. Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up. Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money. So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt?" You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed. Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door. A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years. | |||
"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard. Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out. Right so because we had our say in Sept now we should sit down and not be heard ? just be happy for whatever happens Jump up and down and make as much noise as you like but remember we were promised this was a 'once in a generation' event. The democracy you're so fond of demands you stick by that promise.no democracy means by the will of the people and if the people demand it then it should and will happen and promises are a two way street there is no sign all the bribes offered to vote no have been honored yet The 'will of the people' was for No. The 'Vow' is on it's way. You may not have notice but there's an election going on. THAT'S democracy." Yes it was a no vote but like i have said before people have moved on from last year this is now about Scotland getting a voice. The way it looks is the parties that wanted Scotland to stay cant move on from the referendum as they keep bringing it up when there is no plans on another one this election is a UK one the Scottish elections are next year and if the people want another referendum then that will be the democracy but as i said right now there is no scottish referendum on the cards. As for the vow what stops a any of these 3 parties getting in and then backing out of the vow they promised. | |||
"................. The way it looks is the parties that wanted Scotland to stay cant move on from the referendum as they keep bringing it up when there is no plans on another one " The way the Nats have 'moved on' from Bannockburn? " this election is a UK one the Scottish elections are next year and if the people want another referendum then that will be the democracy but as i said right now there is no scottish referendum on the cards. As for the vow what stops a any of these 3 parties getting in and then backing out of the vow they promised. " All 3 No parties have promised to implement the Vow. I'll be as pissed off as anyone if any renege on it. | |||
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"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible. Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks. Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up. Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money. So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt? You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed. Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door. A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years." Genius, thank you 
Growth currently above long term averages, inflation below long term averages, interest rates significantly below long term averages. The problem is an over bloated public finance position. | |||
"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible. Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks. Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up. Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money. So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt? You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed. Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door. A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years." You obviously have a point of view that is so strong that you feel that belittling those who do not share your views is the only way to debate. Good luck. Just one thing.... "... Allowing recovery to bloom..." Really? Like it happens like magic? Tax business, tax the wealthy, support the poor and watch that recovery bloom. | |||
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"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible. Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks. Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up. Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money. So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt? You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed. Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door. A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years. Genius, thank you
Growth currently above long term averages, inflation below long term averages, interest rates significantly below long term averages. The problem is an over bloated public finance position."And just imagine where we'd be without austerity. Rather than the minuscule achievements we have now, the national economy might actually be something genuinely worth boasting about, rather than doing so anyway and hoping people don't look at the numbers. The country was on the road to recovery before Osborne blundered into the chancellor's office. | |||
"Sure. You probably think the coalition rescued the economy from disaster too, rather than turning a recovery that was already happening when they came to power into a two year cock-up that cost UK taxpayers' a heap of money. "I would be interested to see some kind of legitimate verification that the UK was in recovery in 2010. Any non partisan news resource will do fine. By all accounts that I have read and remember we were fairly and squarely in deep shit. | |||
"Sure. You probably think the coalition rescued the economy from disaster too, rather than turning a recovery that was already happening when they came to power into a two year cock-up that cost UK taxpayers' a heap of money.
I would be interested to see some kind of legitimate verification that the UK was in recovery in 2010. Any non partisan news resource will do fine. By all accounts that I have read and remember we were fairly and squarely in deep shit. "Read Larry Elliott in The Guardian on 16th of this month. All the figures are there. Mainly Macro is in full agreement. Feel free to try to justify why you dismiss them both, of course. | |||
"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible. Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks. Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up. Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money. So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt? You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed. Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door. A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years. Genius, thank you
Growth currently above long term averages, inflation below long term averages, interest rates significantly below long term averages. The problem is an over bloated public finance position.
And just imagine where we'd be without austerity. Rather than the minuscule achievements we have now, the national economy might actually be something genuinely worth boasting about, rather than doing so anyway and hoping people don't look at the numbers. The country was on the road to recovery before Osborne blundered into the chancellor's office.
"Just maybe, we would be in the same position as France or Italy. We will never know. Call me old fashioned, but continually spending more than you are earning, whether you are a household or a country does not make a lot of sense in the long term. Something has to give at some point, either tax rises or further cuts to public expenditure. The ideological debate is one on which there is a clear divide in this election and the public will make its choice. | |||
"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible. Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks. Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up. Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money. So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt? You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed. Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door. A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years. Genius, thank you
Growth currently above long term averages, inflation below long term averages, interest rates significantly below long term averages. The problem is an over bloated public finance position.
And just imagine where we'd be without austerity. Rather than the minuscule achievements we have now, the national economy might actually be something genuinely worth boasting about, rather than doing so anyway and hoping people don't look at the numbers. The country was on the road to recovery before Osborne blundered into the chancellor's office.
Just maybe, we would be in the same position as France or Italy. We will never know. Call me old fashioned, but continually spending more than you are earning, whether you are a household or a country does not make a lot of sense in the long term. Something has to give at some point, either tax rises or further cuts to public expenditure. The ideological debate is one on which there is a clear divide in this election and the public will make its choice. "Continually stating that we should not do a thing in the long term, when it is being argued that we should do the thing in the short term, suggests that you are ignoring the distinction, or choosing not to recognise it. | |||
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"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible." Well said | |||
"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible. Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks. Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up. Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money. So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt? You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed. Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door. A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years. Genius, thank you
Growth currently above long term averages, inflation below long term averages, interest rates significantly below long term averages. The problem is an over bloated public finance position.
And just imagine where we'd be without austerity. Rather than the minuscule achievements we have now, the national economy might actually be something genuinely worth boasting about, rather than doing so anyway and hoping people don't look at the numbers. The country was on the road to recovery before Osborne blundered into the chancellor's office.
Just maybe, we would be in the same position as France or Italy. We will never know. Call me old fashioned, but continually spending more than you are earning, whether you are a household or a country does not make a lot of sense in the long term. Something has to give at some point, either tax rises or further cuts to public expenditure. The ideological debate is one on which there is a clear divide in this election and the public will make its choice.
Continually stating that we should not do a thing in the long term, when it is being argued that we should do the thing in the short term, suggests that you are ignoring the distinction, or choosing not to recognise it."Now you have me confused. You think that we should continually spend more as a nation than we earn, borrow the shortfall and keep adding to the £1.5trillion national debt that costs us £60billion and rising a year to service?? | |||
"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear. Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign?" oh we do remember the referendum where we where begged to stay a part of the union and promised all sorts which never materialiesed,so now we are still.a part of the union we have a democratic right the same as every other party to do what is best for the ppl you represent | |||
"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible. Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks. Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up. Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money. So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt? You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed. Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door. A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years. Genius, thank you
Growth currently above long term averages, inflation below long term averages, interest rates significantly below long term averages. The problem is an over bloated public finance position.
And just imagine where we'd be without austerity. Rather than the minuscule achievements we have now, the national economy might actually be something genuinely worth boasting about, rather than doing so anyway and hoping people don't look at the numbers. The country was on the road to recovery before Osborne blundered into the chancellor's office.
Just maybe, we would be in the same position as France or Italy. We will never know. Call me old fashioned, but continually spending more than you are earning, whether you are a household or a country does not make a lot of sense in the long term. Something has to give at some point, either tax rises or further cuts to public expenditure. The ideological debate is one on which there is a clear divide in this election and the public will make its choice.
Continually stating that we should not do a thing in the long term, when it is being argued that we should do the thing in the short term, suggests that you are ignoring the distinction, or choosing not to recognise it.
Now you have me confused. You think that we should continually spend more as a nation than we earn, borrow the shortfall and keep adding to the £1.5trillion national debt that costs us £60billion and rising a year to service??"In the short term - Yes! In the long term - No! Are you spotting the difference yet? | |||
"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. People in Scotland do, indeed, have the right to vote for whichever party they choose but to suggest that the SNP is NOT a danger to the UK is to forget, or ignore, everything they hold dear. Did you sleep through the entire referendum campaign? oh we do remember the referendum where we where begged to stay a part of the union and promised all sorts which never materialiesed,so now we are still.a part of the union we have a democratic right the same as every other party to do what is best for the ppl you represent" Give us all a chance to let the promises be delivered. The referendum was 7 months ago not 7 years ago! | |||
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"John Major used to regularly put his dick inside Edwina Currie, knowing this can anybody take him seriously?Irrevilent" So you consider him of sound judgement?! | |||
"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible. There could be an end to austerity it has to start somewhere. 2015 and we have foodbanks is shocking! " . We may have food banks but what checks are undertaken on those who use food banks ?. Where has all their benefit money gone which in theory is enough to buy food . ? | |||
"So after hearing what he had to say today is shocking. Last i checked this was a UK election and Scotland are apart of the UK and for him to say SNP pose a real danger is even more shocking if the people of Scotland want to vote SNP then that is the democratic right of the people. " . A great leader who got us through some difficult times . A practical down to earth achiever . | |||
"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible. There could be an end to austerity it has to start somewhere. 2015 and we have foodbanks is shocking! . We may have food banks but what checks are undertaken on those who use food banks ?. Where has all their benefit money gone which in theory is enough to buy food . ?" Really? Theory and reality don't always match. For most food banks you can't just turn up. You have to be referred by someone (an agency, social services etc.) who has assessed you need (not want - need) the help. | |||
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" Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible." Well then it seems apt that this thread is about John Major - whose government ran a deficit every year under his tenure as PM. | |||
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"Sure. You probably think the coalition rescued the economy from disaster too, rather than turning a recovery that was already happening when they came to power into a two year cock-up that cost UK taxpayers' a heap of money. "So the recovery was happening before the last election? So the recession started and was caused while labour were in power then.... | |||
"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible. Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks. Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up. Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money. So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt? You service the debt, you end austerity, and you grow the economy properly by allowing recovery to bloom, rather than in the pathetic gasps the government has accidentally managed. Despite what the right wing press and their Tory lap dogs would have you believe, it's not a pressing issue. A debt that is not sustainable in the long term can still be perfectly sustainable in the short term. The bailiffs are not turning up at our door. A national economy is not the same as a household economy, despite the media painting it that way for the past five years. Genius, thank you
Growth currently above long term averages, inflation below long term averages, interest rates significantly below long term averages. The problem is an over bloated public finance position.
And just imagine where we'd be without austerity. Rather than the minuscule achievements we have now, the national economy might actually be something genuinely worth boasting about, rather than doing so anyway and hoping people don't look at the numbers. The country was on the road to recovery before Osborne blundered into the chancellor's office.
Just maybe, we would be in the same position as France or Italy. We will never know. Call me old fashioned, but continually spending more than you are earning, whether you are a household or a country does not make a lot of sense in the long term. Something has to give at some point, either tax rises or further cuts to public expenditure. The ideological debate is one on which there is a clear divide in this election and the public will make its choice.
Continually stating that we should not do a thing in the long term, when it is being argued that we should do the thing in the short term, suggests that you are ignoring the distinction, or choosing not to recognise it.
Now you have me confused. You think that we should continually spend more as a nation than we earn, borrow the shortfall and keep adding to the £1.5trillion national debt that costs us £60billion and rising a year to service??
In the short term - Yes! In the long term - No!
Are you spotting the difference yet?"Depends on your view of long term and what the borrowing is for and how its success is measured. National debt has doubled in a 10 year period following the recession, you would expect that. Schemes to build houses, schools, hospitals etc which support the UK infrastructure and should lead to a multiplier effect, I get that too. But simply borrowing to make up a shortfall between income and ordinary spending, particularly with an ever increasing and ageing population which is going to require further spending increases to be supported needs a fiscal plan that does not rely on borrowing in the long term. I have yet to hear anyone set out how in the "long term" this is going to be achieved. | |||
"What he said was correcthe knows what he is talking about What that SNP are a real danger ? I dont see why when Scotland are part of the UK so as its a UK Election and UK Parliament then if we are truely better together as these 3 UK parties said before the referendum. We are no danger just want to have our voices heard. Part of the UK but they don't want to be. Your voice was heard last September and we remember how that turned out." That was put to bed last year we built the bridge and got over it... We are part of the uk it's a uk election and we need someone that puts the ppl of the uk first it's for the ppl to decide... | |||
"John Major - pathetic cheating perv who's bitter after fucking Edwina to the high heavens. " LOL.. im sure many guys on here have fucked women far less attractive than Edwina Currie - hard to believe i know but very true | |||
"The SNP are primarily dedicated to two things; getting the best deal for Scotland and Scottish Independence. They harbour a sincere and heartfelt dislike and mistrust of "the Westminster parliament" believing they, the Scots, have been hard done by in the past; despite the generosity of the Barnett Formula which favours the Scots population per capita over the rest of the UK. In holding the balance of power and thereby forcing a UK government to unreasonably favour Scotland as the price for permitting them to govern, the SNP in Westminster, led by Alec Salmon (The leader who lost the independence referendum), will eventually achieve both their aims. The question no one has asked Nicola Sturgeon or Salmon yet is: "If one of the bribes to be lavished on the 5.3 million Scots puts the rest of the 58 million English, Irish and Welsh at a serious disadvantage, will you be willing to vote against or amend the motion?" The SNP cannot answer yes or the Scots will kick them out. That situation will herald the end of the United Kingdom. "totally agree - be interested to know (as i genuinely dont) how much scotland contribute vs what they cost the tax payer . im thinking we're subsidising them but i dont know for sure. | |||
"John Major - pathetic cheating perv who's bitter after fucking Edwina to the high heavens. LOL.. im sure many guys on here have fucked women far less attractive than Edwina Currie - hard to believe i know but very true" did he eat an Edwina Currie , | |||
"I personally dont care what they call themselves but I dont see much a future in a UK that continues to spend more that in it earns and for a group of politicians to not just be accepting this - but championing it as a cause. There is no such thing as an end to austerity no matter how a politician dresses it up. Just ask the Greek electorate if you dont believe me. They too bought the line about the end of austerity. Living within your means is sensible. Living beyond your means and praying for an economic miracle somewhere down the road is not sensible. Of course, if you are someone who genuinely knows anything about macroeconomics rather than farting this stuff straight out of the Daily Mail regurgitator, like...ooh, let's say Simon Wren-Lewis, Oxford University economics professor and author of the highly regarded Mainly Macro blog, then you would also know that what you've written is a load of old bollocks. Luckily for the Tories of course, most people don't recognise it as bollocks at all, because the right-wing press tell them lies about our economic situation and they simply lap it right up. Those people are, not surprisingly, the same people who think Nicola Sturgeon is going to steal their pocket money. So just how do you propose we deal with a £1.5trillion debt which is costing us £60billion a year in interest alone? Declare the UK bankrupt?" Get a Wonga loan !!! | |||
"The SNP are primarily dedicated to two things; getting the best deal for Scotland and Scottish Independence. They harbour a sincere and heartfelt dislike and mistrust of "the Westminster parliament" believing they, the Scots, have been hard done by in the past; despite the generosity of the Barnett Formula which favours the Scots population per capita over the rest of the UK. In holding the balance of power and thereby forcing a UK government to unreasonably favour Scotland as the price for permitting them to govern, the SNP in Westminster, led by Alec Salmon (The leader who lost the independence referendum), will eventually achieve both their aims. The question no one has asked Nicola Sturgeon or Salmon yet is: "If one of the bribes to be lavished on the 5.3 million Scots puts the rest of the 58 million English, Irish and Welsh at a serious disadvantage, will you be willing to vote against or amend the motion?" The SNP cannot answer yes or the Scots will kick them out. That situation will herald the end of the United Kingdom.
totally agree - be interested to know (as i genuinely dont) how much scotland contribute vs what they cost the tax payer . im thinking we're subsidising them but i dont know for sure."I i noticed in these debates the Welsh and Irish seem to want a change aswell  | |||
"The SNP are primarily dedicated to two things; getting the best deal for Scotland and Scottish Independence. They harbour a sincere and heartfelt dislike and mistrust of "the Westminster parliament" believing they, the Scots, have been hard done by in the past; despite the generosity of the Barnett Formula which favours the Scots population per capita over the rest of the UK. In holding the balance of power and thereby forcing a UK government to unreasonably favour Scotland as the price for permitting them to govern, the SNP in Westminster, led by Alec Salmon (The leader who lost the independence referendum), will eventually achieve both their aims. The question no one has asked Nicola Sturgeon or Salmon yet is: "If one of the bribes to be lavished on the 5.3 million Scots puts the rest of the 58 million English, Irish and Welsh at a serious disadvantage, will you be willing to vote against or amend the motion?" The SNP cannot answer yes or the Scots will kick them out. That situation will herald the end of the United Kingdom.
totally agree - be interested to know (as i genuinely dont) how much scotland contribute vs what they cost the tax payer . im thinking we're subsidising them but i dont know for sure."I am not a nationalist. Scotland have about 8% of the population but contribute over nine per cent tax. The tax office cannot tell where VAT comes from but as Scotland is darker and colder all year round we contribute huge sums in VAT attached to our fuel bills. Another anomilie is the electricity transmission charges. Scotland produce 12 % of the UK s energy needs but pay 30 % of the transmission costs of the national grid. So yes theses are just a few ways Scotland pay there way. | |||
"The SNP are primarily dedicated to two things; getting the best deal for Scotland and Scottish Independence. They harbour a sincere and heartfelt dislike and mistrust of "the Westminster parliament" believing they, the Scots, have been hard done by in the past; despite the generosity of the Barnett Formula which favours the Scots population per capita over the rest of the UK. In holding the balance of power and thereby forcing a UK government to unreasonably favour Scotland as the price for permitting them to govern, the SNP in Westminster, led by Alec Salmon (The leader who lost the independence referendum), will eventually achieve both their aims. The question no one has asked Nicola Sturgeon or Salmon yet is: "If one of the bribes to be lavished on the 5.3 million Scots puts the rest of the 58 million English, Irish and Welsh at a serious disadvantage, will you be willing to vote against or amend the motion?" The SNP cannot answer yes or the Scots will kick them out. That situation will herald the end of the United Kingdom.
totally agree - be interested to know (as i genuinely dont) how much scotland contribute vs what they cost the tax payer . im thinking we're subsidising them but i dont know for sure.I am not a nationalist.
Scotland have about 8% of the population but contribute over nine per cent tax. The tax office cannot tell where VAT comes from but as Scotland is darker and colder all year round we contribute huge sums in VAT attached to our fuel bills.
Another anomilie is the electricity transmission charges. Scotland produce 12 % of the UK s energy needs but pay 30 % of the transmission costs of the national grid.
So yes theses are just a few ways Scotland pay there way."They're 2013 figures and include revenue from oil and gas when it was $130 per barrel. Excluding this revenue, the tax take as a percentage of the total tax take of the UK is 8.2%, the population is 8.3%. However, the Barnett formula means that for every £1 of public money per person spent in England, each person in Scotland gets about £1.20. This extra goes a long way to allowing Scots to have free prescriptions and university tuition. Having said all this, I'm not averse to the fact that the SNP may 'hold sway' in a UK government. The Tories, labour and liberals can't have it both ways... they wanted the union to remain, so they have to accept the outcome of a democratic process. You reap what you sow, as it were. | |||
" Having said all this, I'm not averse to the fact that the SNP may 'hold sway' in a UK government. The Tories, labour and liberals can't have it both ways... they wanted the union to remain, so they have to accept the outcome of a democratic process. You reap what you sow, as it were." Can't argue with that in the main. Though if I recall, didn't Blair only manage to raise university fees in 2004 for English students by relying on his Scottish Labour MPs? Voting to charge, or tax, another nation's students is the opposite of the Boston Tea Party, Representation without Taxation! | |||
"The SNP are primarily dedicated to two things; getting the best deal for Scotland and Scottish Independence. They harbour a sincere and heartfelt dislike and mistrust of "the Westminster parliament" believing they, the Scots, have been hard done by in the past; despite the generosity of the Barnett Formula which favours the Scots population per capita over the rest of the UK. In holding the balance of power and thereby forcing a UK government to unreasonably favour Scotland as the price for permitting them to govern, the SNP in Westminster, led by Alec Salmon (The leader who lost the independence referendum), will eventually achieve both their aims. The question no one has asked Nicola Sturgeon or Salmon yet is: "If one of the bribes to be lavished on the 5.3 million Scots puts the rest of the 58 million English, Irish and Welsh at a serious disadvantage, will you be willing to vote against or amend the motion?" The SNP cannot answer yes or the Scots will kick them out. That situation will herald the end of the United Kingdom.
totally agree - be interested to know (as i genuinely dont) how much scotland contribute vs what they cost the tax payer . im thinking we're subsidising them but i dont know for sure.I am not a nationalist.
Scotland have about 8% of the population but contribute over nine per cent tax. The tax office cannot tell where VAT comes from but as Scotland is darker and colder all year round we contribute huge sums in VAT attached to our fuel bills.
Another anomilie is the electricity transmission charges. Scotland produce 12 % of the UK s energy needs but pay 30 % of the transmission costs of the national grid.
So yes theses are just a few ways Scotland pay there way.". How much does this equate to in money terms and is it more or less than Scotland_receives overall. ? | |||
" Having said all this, I'm not averse to the fact that the SNP may 'hold sway' in a UK government. The Tories, labour and liberals can't have it both ways... they wanted the union to remain, so they have to accept the outcome of a democratic process. You reap what you sow, as it were. Can't argue with that in the main. Though if I recall, didn't Blair only manage to raise university fees in 2004 for English students by relying on his Scottish Labour MPs? Voting to charge, or tax, another nation's students is the opposite of the Boston Tea Party, Representation without Taxation! " You're absolutely correct, although labour would argue that the labour party is a UK wide party. The other side of the coin is the poll tax was originally trialled in Scotland. | |||
" The other side of the coin is the poll tax was originally trialled in Scotland. " You could say it's the same side of the coin, that that was equally wrong, and Scottish MPs should have been able to veto it. Perhaps then the whole idea would have been scrapped without the need for rioting and driving a wedge between the nations of our great country. | |||
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