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"This is just a rant and not intended to offend anybody guys. At work tonight a woman (she doesn't work for us but an agency so comes sometimes) started making some very offensive remarks about gays and lesbians. She said she wouldn't eat at a restaurant if she thought any of the chefs were gay, she takes her own cup cutlery and plate everywhere because she doesn't know what sexuality people are at different jobs, and most offensive to me, she started going on about how in her country they shoot gays and lesbians, and there families and pets. I got really annoyed and said I have lots of family and friends that are bi and gay and she talked over me repeating about them being shot and comparing them to rapists and paedos. I think I did well to keep my dignity and walk away instead of knocking her bigoted teeth down her throat don't you? Rant over xx" | |||
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"This is just a rant and not intended to offend anybody guys. At work tonight a woman (she doesn't work for us but an agency so comes sometimes) started making some very offensive remarks about gays and lesbians. She said she wouldn't eat at a restaurant if she thought any of the chefs were gay, she takes her own cup cutlery and plate everywhere because she doesn't know what sexuality people are at different jobs, and most offensive to me, she started going on about how in her country they shoot gays and lesbians, and there families and pets. I got really annoyed and said I have lots of family and friends that are bi and gay and she talked over me repeating about them being shot and comparing them to rapists and paedos. I think I did well to keep my dignity and walk away instead of knocking her bigoted teeth down her throat don't you? Rant over xx" Yes you did. Im assuming she was not English? Bitch | |||
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"Should have tried kissing her. " And put some gay porn in her bag while she wasn't looking | |||
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"Wouldn't it be great if you could block people in real life Just hit a button and then they freeze where they are " Did you see Black Mirror last Christmas? | |||
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"Wouldn't it be great if you could block people in real life Just hit a button and then they freeze where they are Did you see Black Mirror last Christmas?" Beat me to it | |||
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"Wouldn't it be great if you could block people in real life Just hit a button and then they freeze where they are Did you see Black Mirror last Christmas?" No did they do that on there? | |||
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"Wouldn't it be great if you could block people in real life Just hit a button and then they freeze where they are Did you see Black Mirror last Christmas? No did they do that on there? " Not freeze, more blanked out. You just saw a shadow where they were and couldn't hear them. Same for them when they looked at you. | |||
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"Wouldn't it be great if you could block people in real life Just hit a button and then they freeze where they are Did you see Black Mirror last Christmas? No did they do that on there? " They did, you'll probably be able to find it on All 4. Starred Mad Men's John Hamm. | |||
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"Report her" Escalate it. No one should have to listen to that sort of crap. It is more than adequate grounds for a grievance | |||
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"I'm fairly tolerant of other's prejudices, but I think that goes beyond the pale and I would most likely have reported her to HR" I agree, this is more than just disapproval and should not be tolerated. | |||
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"retaliation perpetuates the conversation which is normally what they are looking for" This! I do not believe that you could change that person's (or simialr poeple's) mind or even open their eyes to the offensive comments they have made hence any conversation with them about the subject matter is a waste of breath. I would report this to HR as it constitues hate speech as mentioned by another poster! | |||
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"This is just a rant and not intended to offend anybody guys. At work tonight a woman (she doesn't work for us but an agency so comes sometimes) started making some very offensive remarks about gays and lesbians. She said she wouldn't eat at a restaurant if she thought any of the chefs were gay, she takes her own cup cutlery and plate everywhere because she doesn't know what sexuality people are at different jobs, and most offensive to me, she started going on about how in her country they shoot gays and lesbians, and there families and pets. I got really annoyed and said I have lots of family and friends that are bi and gay and she talked over me repeating about them being shot and comparing them to rapists and paedos. I think I did well to keep my dignity and walk away instead of knocking her bigoted teeth down her throat don't you? Rant over xx" If she's from another country, why aren't you respecting her original culture and her freedom of speech in this country? Are you sure you're not hiding a racist attitude towards her behind your dislike of her beliefs? | |||
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"A person with problems and no mistake..." THe woman I mean...not you... Just to be clear...! | |||
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"This is just a rant and not intended to offend anybody guys. At work tonight a woman (she doesn't work for us but an agency so comes sometimes) started making some very offensive remarks about gays and lesbians. She said she wouldn't eat at a restaurant if she thought any of the chefs were gay, she takes her own cup cutlery and plate everywhere because she doesn't know what sexuality people are at different jobs, and most offensive to me, she started going on about how in her country they shoot gays and lesbians, and there families and pets. I got really annoyed and said I have lots of family and friends that are bi and gay and she talked over me repeating about them being shot and comparing them to rapists and paedos. I think I did well to keep my dignity and walk away instead of knocking her bigoted teeth down her throat don't you? Rant over xx" You should have told her to take her bigoted opinions back to the country she had brought them from because they are not welcome here. | |||
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"That's just horrible!!! I mean why would you shoot the pets????? The poor animals are hard going to have caught being gay!!! " | |||
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"I respect anybody's _iews and I am definitely not racist, if she had just been saying it's what they do in her country I wouldn't have been offended but as she was implying that it was right and when I was telling her that people I love are bi and gay and she says I can catch all sorts from them and they should be blanked or shot, I think it was right to be offended " Definitely report her to your company and also her agency. x | |||
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"Personally I would have just punched her - but I do have a nasty temper with people like that Her x" And you would be arrested for a racially-aggravated assault. Lawyers always play the highest card first. | |||
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"This is just a rant and not intended to offend anybody guys. At work tonight a woman (she doesn't work for us but an agency so comes sometimes) started making some very offensive remarks about gays and lesbians. She said she wouldn't eat at a restaurant if she thought any of the chefs were gay, she takes her own cup cutlery and plate everywhere because she doesn't know what sexuality people are at different jobs, and most offensive to me, she started going on about how in her country they shoot gays and lesbians, and there families and pets. I got really annoyed and said I have lots of family and friends that are bi and gay and she talked over me repeating about them being shot and comparing them to rapists and paedos. I think I did well to keep my dignity and walk away instead of knocking her bigoted teeth down her throat don't you? Rant over xx If she's from another country, why aren't you respecting her original culture and her freedom of speech in this country? Are you sure you're not hiding a racist attitude towards her behind your dislike of her beliefs?" Ermm are you for real? We hate hate laws in this country for a reason! | |||
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"If what she has said has caused you offence then you would be well within your rights to report it and management should request her agency don't send her to you again. If this happened at my place I would refuse her attendance and request an alternative via a strongly worded email to her company pointing out the ramifications of her actions. Fuck intolerance and prejudice there's no need for that." | |||
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"Thanks everyone. I'm going to report her to my Manager when he comes in tomorrow. I honestly believe everyone is entitled to their own opinions but it made me feel sick hearing this. My team Manager was there and joked that she is bi, the bitch stood up, moved around the table with her back to her and refused to even look in her direction until she convinced her she's straight. " Does she work in a customer facing role? I'm sure we could round some enough fab guys an girls to make her whole day having to deal with overly affectionate gay "couples" :p | |||
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"Personally I would have just punched her - but I do have a nasty temper with people like that Her x" I find that a severe tongue lashing works better, especially if in my louder than normal voice, everyone within hearing distance is aware of the conversation. Maybe be better if just shake your head and walk away?. | |||
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"This is just a rant and not intended to offend anybody guys. At work tonight a woman (she doesn't work for us but an agency so comes sometimes) started making some very offensive remarks about gays and lesbians. She said she wouldn't eat at a restaurant if she thought any of the chefs were gay, she takes her own cup cutlery and plate everywhere because she doesn't know what sexuality people are at different jobs, and most offensive to me, she started going on about how in her country they shoot gays and lesbians, and there families and pets. I got really annoyed and said I have lots of family and friends that are bi and gay and she talked over me repeating about them being shot and comparing them to rapists and paedos. I think I did well to keep my dignity and walk away instead of knocking her bigoted teeth down her throat don't you? Rant over xx If she's from another country, why aren't you respecting her original culture and her freedom of speech in this country? Are you sure you're not hiding a racist attitude towards her behind your dislike of her beliefs?" I'm gonna assume this was a joke that has come across badly in text? | |||
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"Just leave her to it, homophobes will never be happy, they are fearfull of what feelings might get stired up " Yeah she wants her stamp licked. | |||
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"If Ginger had made a comment about this persons colour, race or country then the woman would have found it offensive. Why should it be any different because of someones sexuality especially when comments were made about a co-worker from the same agency. The comments made were akin to hate and as such constitute a crime. Lucky this woman wasn't directing the comments that gays should be shot to anyone otherwise she could be arrested and charged." Reply in forum + quote tells us to whom you are replying! | |||
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"If Ginger had made a comment about this persons colour, race or country then the woman would have found it offensive. Why should it be any different because of someones sexuality especially when comments were made about a co-worker from the same agency. The comments made were akin to hate and as such constitute a crime. Lucky this woman wasn't directing the comments that gays should be shot to anyone otherwise she could be arrested and charged. Reply in forum + quote tells us to whom you are replying! " Wasnt to anyone particular just having my belated say on the subject | |||
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"If Ginger had made a comment about this persons colour, race or country then the woman would have found it offensive. Why should it be any different because of someones sexuality especially when comments were made about a co-worker from the same agency. The comments made were akin to hate and as such constitute a crime. Lucky this woman wasn't directing the comments that gays should be shot to anyone otherwise she could be arrested and charged. Reply in forum + quote tells us to whom you are replying! Wasnt to anyone particular just having my belated say on the subject " LOL, is okay just mentioned it so we could all see which comment you were replying too, makes it more easy to follow the thread for me. | |||
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"Should have tried kissing her. And put some gay porn in her bag while she wasn't looking " Or maybe a flyers to gay or lesbian places nearby. | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that " maybe im naive, but im really suprised by it!...don't really see the relevance of where she's from at all! she's wrong, ignorant, and breaking the law...end of! | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that maybe im naive, but im really suprised by it!...don't really see the relevance of where she's from at all! she's wrong, ignorant, and breaking the law...end of!" I agree. She is here and working, for now, so should assume that those responsible have made the appropriate checks. She has been made welcome and should extend that acceptance to all members of our country. Bigotry is distasteful and has no place in our world. Too many lives have been lost or damaged because of it. | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that maybe im naive, but im really suprised by it!...don't really see the relevance of where she's from at all! she's wrong, ignorant, and breaking the law...end of!" I wasn't meaning anything racist in my post. It was her words when she says 'back home' meaning jamaica. I don't endorse hate of any kind wether it's gender race sexuality or any other forms of discrimination x | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that " Racist replys by saying go back home ????? Wouldn't of said that was racist !! | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that Racist replys by saying go back home ????? Wouldn't of said that was racist !! " well growing up in an era when that was the most used phrase by racist groups I would say so! And the amount of times I was told to go back home in my childhood (I was born here) I can tell you it is racist!! | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that maybe im naive, but im really suprised by it!...don't really see the relevance of where she's from at all! she's wrong, ignorant, and breaking the law...end of! I wasn't meaning anything racist in my post. It was her words when she says 'back home' meaning jamaica. I don't endorse hate of any kind wether it's gender race sexuality or any other forms of discrimination x" Jamaica??? Wtf they don't kill whole families and pets for being gay lol I thought you was referring to one of those countries were being gay is illegal and you could be sentence to death this puts a whole different spin on the argument (Strong Jamaica background so I'm not just talking blindly) | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that Racist replys by saying go back home ????? Wouldn't of said that was racist !! well growing up in an era when that was the most used phrase by racist groups I would say so! And the amount of times I was told to go back home in my childhood (I was born here) I can tell you it is racist!!" Well the person the op is talking about is very racist and obviously not from this country and was aimed at her . Why anyone should be racist is beyond me as there is good and bad in all . If it hurt you wasn't meant for you | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that Racist replys by saying go back home ????? Wouldn't of said that was racist !! well growing up in an era when that was the most used phrase by racist groups I would say so! And the amount of times I was told to go back home in my childhood (I was born here) I can tell you it is racist!! Well the person the op is talking about is very racist and obviously not from this country and was aimed at her . Why anyone should be racist is beyond me as there is good and bad in all . If it hurt you wasn't meant for you" well I wouldn't say the person the OP is talking about is racist homophobic yes but racist I just can't see it myself and if that "go home" comment was meant for her because she is not from this country that is racist | |||
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"Ask her what she does when she takes her own plate to the restaurant, does she wait for her meal to be brought out then transfer the food from the plate it's served on onto her own plate or give them her plate to take to the kitchen for the food to be served on her own plate? Tell her weird shit like that will guaranty her food is spunked in. Think of it though you're working in a restaurant and somebody makes a fuss and asks to use their own plate, when that plate comes into the kitchen they'd lick it and fart on it and then put the food on. " Would you? Tbh I'd just assume they had some mental health issues and accommodate them. Not like it's taking any extra effort on my part. Unless they go into why they want thier own plate because they arnt sure the waiter is gay that would get it wiped down thw crack | |||
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"Ask her what she does when she takes her own plate to the restaurant, does she wait for her meal to be brought out then transfer the food from the plate it's served on onto her own plate or give them her plate to take to the kitchen for the food to be served on her own plate? Tell her weird shit like that will guaranty her food is spunked in. Think of it though you're working in a restaurant and somebody makes a fuss and asks to use their own plate, when that plate comes into the kitchen they'd lick it and fart on it and then put the food on. " perhaps if you are working in the restaurant, but most normal people wouldn't do such disgusting things. | |||
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"Ask her what she does when she takes her own plate to the restaurant, does she wait for her meal to be brought out then transfer the food from the plate it's served on onto her own plate or give them her plate to take to the kitchen for the food to be served on her own plate? Tell her weird shit like that will guaranty her food is spunked in. Think of it though you're working in a restaurant and somebody makes a fuss and asks to use their own plate, when that plate comes into the kitchen they'd lick it and fart on it and then put the food on. " Bloody hell in not eating in Wales again | |||
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"Ask her what she does when she takes her own plate to the restaurant, does she wait for her meal to be brought out then transfer the food from the plate it's served on onto her own plate or give them her plate to take to the kitchen for the food to be served on her own plate? Tell her weird shit like that will guaranty her food is spunked in. Think of it though you're working in a restaurant and somebody makes a fuss and asks to use their own plate, when that plate comes into the kitchen they'd lick it and fart on it and then put the food on. perhaps if you are working in the restaurant, but most normal people wouldn't do such disgusting things. " Normal people wouldn't take there own plate | |||
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"Ask her what she does when she takes her own plate to the restaurant, does she wait for her meal to be brought out then transfer the food from the plate it's served on onto her own plate or give them her plate to take to the kitchen for the food to be served on her own plate? Tell her weird shit like that will guaranty her food is spunked in. Think of it though you're working in a restaurant and somebody makes a fuss and asks to use their own plate, when that plate comes into the kitchen they'd lick it and fart on it and then put the food on. perhaps if you are working in the restaurant, but most normal people wouldn't do such disgusting things. Normal people wouldn't take there own plate" taking their own plate isnt a big deal. ejaculating into someone's food is. | |||
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"Ask her what she does when she takes her own plate to the restaurant, does she wait for her meal to be brought out then transfer the food from the plate it's served on onto her own plate or give them her plate to take to the kitchen for the food to be served on her own plate? Tell her weird shit like that will guaranty her food is spunked in. Think of it though you're working in a restaurant and somebody makes a fuss and asks to use their own plate, when that plate comes into the kitchen they'd lick it and fart on it and then put the food on. perhaps if you are working in the restaurant, but most normal people wouldn't do such disgusting things. " This is just what I would tell the person mentioned in the OP. | |||
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"Ask her what she does when she takes her own plate to the restaurant, does she wait for her meal to be brought out then transfer the food from the plate it's served on onto her own plate or give them her plate to take to the kitchen for the food to be served on her own plate? Tell her weird shit like that will guaranty her food is spunked in. Think of it though you're working in a restaurant and somebody makes a fuss and asks to use their own plate, when that plate comes into the kitchen they'd lick it and fart on it and then put the food on. perhaps if you are working in the restaurant, but most normal people wouldn't do such disgusting things. Normal people wouldn't take there own plate" So say two parents come Un with their autistic child who will only eat of his special Thomas the tank plate if you were the waiter and they asked you to bring his food out on that for him you'd spunk in the child's food for not being normal would you? | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that Racist replys by saying go back home ????? Wouldn't of said that was racist !! well growing up in an era when that was the most used phrase by racist groups I would say so! And the amount of times I was told to go back home in my childhood (I was born here) I can tell you it is racist!! Well the person the op is talking about is very racist and obviously not from this country and was aimed at her . Why anyone should be racist is beyond me as there is good and bad in all . If it hurt you wasn't meant for you well I wouldn't say the person the OP is talking about is racist homophobic yes but racist I just can't see it myself and if that "go home" comment was meant for her because she is not from this country that is racist " We've played with white , blacks and Asians even Scottish wouldn't say I'm racist nor that comment so we shall agree to disagree shall we | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that " You're aware that people can be from a different country but the same race right? You might want to look up racism as it doesn't mean what you think it means. | |||
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"Ask her what she does when she takes her own plate to the restaurant, does she wait for her meal to be brought out then transfer the food from the plate it's served on onto her own plate or give them her plate to take to the kitchen for the food to be served on her own plate? Tell her weird shit like that will guaranty her food is spunked in. Think of it though you're working in a restaurant and somebody makes a fuss and asks to use their own plate, when that plate comes into the kitchen they'd lick it and fart on it and then put the food on. perhaps if you are working in the restaurant, but most normal people wouldn't do such disgusting things. Normal people wouldn't take there own plate So say two parents come Un with their autistic child who will only eat of his special Thomas the tank plate if you were the waiter and they asked you to bring his food out on that for him you'd spunk in the child's food for not being normal would you?" That's totally different it's not the same reason for the person op is talking about | |||
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" if that "go home" comment was meant for her because she is not from this country that is racist " Seriously "not from the uk" isn't a race. | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that Racist replys by saying go back home ????? Wouldn't of said that was racist !! well growing up in an era when that was the most used phrase by racist groups I would say so! And the amount of times I was told to go back home in my childhood (I was born here) I can tell you it is racist!! Well the person the op is talking about is very racist and obviously not from this country and was aimed at her . Why anyone should be racist is beyond me as there is good and bad in all . If it hurt you wasn't meant for you well I wouldn't say the person the OP is talking about is racist homophobic yes but racist I just can't see it myself and if that "go home" comment was meant for her because she is not from this country that is racist We've played with white , blacks and Asians even Scottish wouldn't say I'm racist nor that comment so we shall agree to disagree shall we" lmao oh that classic old argument can't of said a racist comment because I have slept with a black/Asian girl before next you'll be telling me you have a mixed race neice or nephew so could never say anything racist yep let's agred to disagree | |||
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"Ask her what she does when she takes her own plate to the restaurant, does she wait for her meal to be brought out then transfer the food from the plate it's served on onto her own plate or give them her plate to take to the kitchen for the food to be served on her own plate? Tell her weird shit like that will guaranty her food is spunked in. Think of it though you're working in a restaurant and somebody makes a fuss and asks to use their own plate, when that plate comes into the kitchen they'd lick it and fart on it and then put the food on. perhaps if you are working in the restaurant, but most normal people wouldn't do such disgusting things. Normal people wouldn't take there own plate So say two parents come Un with their autistic child who will only eat of his special Thomas the tank plate if you were the waiter and they asked you to bring his food out on that for him you'd spunk in the child's food for not being normal would you?" That's entirely different circumstances. My comment was aimed at the OP. If someone told me they wouldn't eat at a restaurant incase of gays and took their own cup, cutlery and plate just incase any gays were working there the first thing I would have said would be what I said in my original comment. Give her some food for thought and realise her taking her own plate to avoid a gay touching anything she's going to eat from is stupid because whatever happens even her own plate will get touched, even the fucking food would have been prepared by a possible gay so I would have mentioned that too. Not talking about every single scenario that would require someone taking their own plate to a restaurant. Just talking about the nonsense spouted by the woman the op was referring to. Jesus why do people have to blow everything out of proportion! | |||
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"This is just a rant and not intended to offend anybody guys. At work tonight a woman (she doesn't work for us but an agency so comes sometimes) started making some very offensive remarks about gays and lesbians. She said she wouldn't eat at a restaurant if she thought any of the chefs were gay, she takes her own cup cutlery and plate everywhere because she doesn't know what sexuality people are at different jobs, and most offensive to me, she started going on about how in her country they shoot gays and lesbians, and there families and pets. I got really annoyed and said I have lots of family and friends that are bi and gay and she talked over me repeating about them being shot and comparing them to rapists and paedos. I think I did well to keep my dignity and walk away instead of knocking her bigoted teeth down her throat don't you? Rant over xx" Personally i would report her to your boss, that kind of attitude shows why this country is still a dangerous place for people to go out and socialise and be safe, i dread to think what her thoughts or beliefs are on Transgender people | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that You're aware that people can be from a different country but the same race right? You might want to look up racism as it doesn't mean what you think it means." if your gonna comment at least make sense | |||
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" if that "go home" comment was meant for her because she is not from this country that is racist Seriously "not from the uk" isn't a race. " seriously make some sort of sense | |||
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"This is just a rant and not intended to offend anybody guys. At work tonight a woman (she doesn't work for us but an agency so comes sometimes) started making some very offensive remarks about gays and lesbians. She said she wouldn't eat at a restaurant if she thought any of the chefs were gay, she takes her own cup cutlery and plate everywhere because she doesn't know what sexuality people are at different jobs, and most offensive to me, she started going on about how in her country they shoot gays and lesbians, and there families and pets. I got really annoyed and said I have lots of family and friends that are bi and gay and she talked over me repeating about them being shot and comparing them to rapists and paedos. I think I did well to keep my dignity and walk away instead of knocking her bigoted teeth down her throat don't you? Rant over xx" Without getting into homophobic or race/nationality issues, the thing to do is report to whoever in your workplace is overseeing her at the time she works there. They should then inform her agency. They could insist she is never sent back. | |||
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"This is just a rant and not intended to offend anybody guys. At work tonight a woman (she doesn't work for us but an agency so comes sometimes) started making some very offensive remarks about gays and lesbians. She said she wouldn't eat at a restaurant if she thought any of the chefs were gay, she takes her own cup cutlery and plate everywhere because she doesn't know what sexuality people are at different jobs, and most offensive to me, she started going on about how in her country they shoot gays and lesbians, and there families and pets. I got really annoyed and said I have lots of family and friends that are bi and gay and she talked over me repeating about them being shot and comparing them to rapists and paedos. I think I did well to keep my dignity and walk away instead of knocking her bigoted teeth down her throat don't you? Rant over xx Without getting into homophobic or race/nationality issues, the thing to do is report to whoever in your workplace is overseeing her at the time she works there. They should then inform her agency. They could insist she is never sent back." my team leader/line Manager was there when it was all said and tried to diffuse the situation by humour. This morning I spoke to her and said I was making a report about it she said I should if I found her comments offensive. She admits that because of her culture she doesn't agree with homosexuality but she doesn't force her opinion on others. I think that's why she didn't realise how bad the comments really were until she realised how angry I was and it clicked. The lady in question is due back on wednesday and supposed to be working with me and an agency lady who is gay and proud and wouldn't hesitate to knock seven bells out of her if she starts so I might have to be referee lol | |||
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"This is just a rant and not intended to offend anybody guys. At work tonight a woman (she doesn't work for us but an agency so comes sometimes) started making some very offensive remarks about gays and lesbians. She said she wouldn't eat at a restaurant if she thought any of the chefs were gay, she takes her own cup cutlery and plate everywhere because she doesn't know what sexuality people are at different jobs, and most offensive to me, she started going on about how in her country they shoot gays and lesbians, and there families and pets. I got really annoyed and said I have lots of family and friends that are bi and gay and she talked over me repeating about them being shot and comparing them to rapists and paedos. I think I did well to keep my dignity and walk away instead of knocking her bigoted teeth down her throat don't you? Rant over xx Without getting into homophobic or race/nationality issues, the thing to do is report to whoever in your workplace is overseeing her at the time she works there. They should then inform her agency. They could insist she is never sent back. my team leader/line Manager was there when it was all said and tried to diffuse the situation by humour. This morning I spoke to her and said I was making a report about it she said I should if I found her comments offensive. She admits that because of her culture she doesn't agree with homosexuality but she doesn't force her opinion on others. I think that's why she didn't realise how bad the comments really were until she realised how angry I was and it clicked. The lady in question is due back on wednesday and supposed to be working with me and an agency lady who is gay and proud and wouldn't hesitate to knock seven bells out of her if she starts so I might have to be referee lol" Let us know what happens! | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that Racist replys by saying go back home ????? Wouldn't of said that was racist !! well growing up in an era when that was the most used phrase by racist groups I would say so! And the amount of times I was told to go back home in my childhood (I was born here) I can tell you it is racist!! Well the person the op is talking about is very racist and obviously not from this country and was aimed at her . Why anyone should be racist is beyond me as there is good and bad in all . If it hurt you wasn't meant for you well I wouldn't say the person the OP is talking about is racist homophobic yes but racist I just can't see it myself and if that "go home" comment was meant for her because she is not from this country that is racist We've played with white , blacks and Asians even Scottish wouldn't say I'm racist nor that comment so we shall agree to disagree shall we lmao oh that classic old argument can't of said a racist comment because I have slept with a black/Asian girl before next you'll be telling me you have a mixed race neice or nephew so could never say anything racist yep let's agred to disagree" Now your being a dick and not cos your not white just cos of this last remark | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that Racist replys by saying go back home ????? Wouldn't of said that was racist !! well growing up in an era when that was the most used phrase by racist groups I would say so! And the amount of times I was told to go back home in my childhood (I was born here) I can tell you it is racist!! Well the person the op is talking about is very racist and obviously not from this country and was aimed at her . Why anyone should be racist is beyond me as there is good and bad in all . If it hurt you wasn't meant for you well I wouldn't say the person the OP is talking about is racist homophobic yes but racist I just can't see it myself and if that "go home" comment was meant for her because she is not from this country that is racist We've played with white , blacks and Asians even Scottish wouldn't say I'm racist nor that comment so we shall agree to disagree shall we lmao oh that classic old argument can't of said a racist comment because I have slept with a black/Asian girl before next you'll be telling me you have a mixed race neice or nephew so could never say anything racist yep let's agred to disagree Now your being a dick and not cos your not white just cos of this last remark " We really gonna start name calling after we agreed to disagree I must say I am disappointed | |||
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"If she tries talking like that round brighton the skinheads will be round her house sprucing the place up a bit. You can't fix hate with hate, you did well not to chin her. Perhaps you could get her agency to send her on a long and boring course about tolerance. " Or just send her back to her beloved country | |||
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"I'm black, born here, parents from West Indies. If the woman the OP is talking about had made the comments to me I'd have told her things are different here than Jamaica, we try to be tolerant, not ignorant. And if she didn't like it here to fuck off back to where she came from. Guess that makes me a racist too." And u and your pet's haven't been shot yet? Lol. I thought Jamaica was quite tolerant but she made me wonder. Then again I am apparently a stupid 'stooshy' gal. In her words. So what would I know. I'm guessing that was a criticism as she only called me that after she found out I'm not married lol xx | |||
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"I'm black, born here, parents from West Indies. If the woman the OP is talking about had made the comments to me I'd have told her things are different here than Jamaica, we try to be tolerant, not ignorant. And if she didn't like it here to fuck off back to where she came from. Guess that makes me a racist too. And u and your pet's haven't been shot yet? Lol. I thought Jamaica was quite tolerant but she made me wonder. Then again I am apparently a stupid 'stooshy' gal. In her words. So what would I know. I'm guessing that was a criticism as she only called me that after she found out I'm not married lol xx" Jamaica, and the Caribbean islands in general, are very intolerant towards homosexual activity. Include Africa as well. In fact, black people in general are intolerant towards gay men. | |||
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"It's a shame parts of the world are still so intolerant but luckily we are moving on in our country. And I bet your a dream for a lot of couples x " Perhaps, but I don't do couples. Well, not male/female ones | |||
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" Jamaica, and the Caribbean islands in general, are very intolerant towards homosexual activity. Include Africa as well. In fact, black people in general are intolerant towards gay men." I've never met a homophobic black person myself (that I know of anyway) - but the evangelical movement in African countries is enormous. White evangelicals from the US have been actively working with the Ugandan authorities to implement their anti-gay laws. I'm sure there are other examples. I think Jamaica is a mix of evangelism and machismo. | |||
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"It's a shame parts of the world are still so intolerant but luckily we are moving on in our country. And I bet your a dream for a lot of couples x " Did you see the 'Gay and under attack' documentary with Reggie Yates on BBC3 at 9pm? About attacks on gay people in Russia. Horrible. | |||
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"I'm black, born here, parents from West Indies. If the woman the OP is talking about had made the comments to me I'd have told her things are different here than Jamaica, we try to be tolerant, not ignorant. And if she didn't like it here to fuck off back to where she came from. Guess that makes me a racist too." And to be fair, to suggest a single person "goes back home" is hardly racist. Calling for an entire group of immigrants to go back home, because of a presumed set of unacceptable values placed on said immigrants, is. This is one woman, not an entire race or nationality. | |||
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"This is just a rant and not intended to offend anybody guys. At work tonight a woman (she doesn't work for us but an agency so comes sometimes) started making some very offensive remarks about gays and lesbians. She said she wouldn't eat at a restaurant if she thought any of the chefs were gay, she takes her own cup cutlery and plate everywhere because she doesn't know what sexuality people are at different jobs, and most offensive to me, she started going on about how in her country they shoot gays and lesbians, and there families and pets. I got really annoyed and said I have lots of family and friends that are bi and gay and she talked over me repeating about them being shot and comparing them to rapists and paedos. I think I did well to keep my dignity and walk away instead of knocking her bigoted teeth down her throat don't you? Rant over xx" Bet she was Jamaican. How I managed to keep a straight face when my hairdresser and her clientele were talking about the proposed changes in the homosexual laws in Jamaica. If they knew I was a "sodomite" I'd be barred and they'd incinerate the coffee cup I used! | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that maybe im naive, but im really suprised by it!...don't really see the relevance of where she's from at all! she's wrong, ignorant, and breaking the law...end of! I wasn't meaning anything racist in my post. It was her words when she says 'back home' meaning jamaica. I don't endorse hate of any kind wether it's gender race sexuality or any other forms of discrimination x" I knew it!!! | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that maybe im naive, but im really suprised by it!...don't really see the relevance of where she's from at all! she's wrong, ignorant, and breaking the law...end of! I wasn't meaning anything racist in my post. It was her words when she says 'back home' meaning jamaica. I don't endorse hate of any kind wether it's gender race sexuality or any other forms of discrimination x I knew it!!!" I was waiting for you to catch up. | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that maybe im naive, but im really suprised by it!...don't really see the relevance of where she's from at all! she's wrong, ignorant, and breaking the law...end of! I wasn't meaning anything racist in my post. It was her words when she says 'back home' meaning jamaica. I don't endorse hate of any kind wether it's gender race sexuality or any other forms of discrimination x Jamaica??? Wtf they don't kill whole families and pets for being gay lol I thought you was referring to one of those countries were being gay is illegal and you could be sentence to death this puts a whole different spin on the argument (Strong Jamaica background so I'm not just talking blindly)" Yet I assumed straight away she was Jamaican even though I knew the pet killing was a lie but I've heard the comments. My cousin went on a Channel Four programme about gays and lesbians by way of telling the family. This was early 90s. When my uncle died in 2011 she was not invited to the funeral, the family still hadn't got over the "shame". Another cousin is gay, Stevie Wonder would spot it, his parents keep wondering when he's going to get a girlfriend! | |||
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"I'm black, born here, parents from West Indies. If the woman the OP is talking about had made the comments to me I'd have told her things are different here than Jamaica, we try to be tolerant, not ignorant. And if she didn't like it here to fuck off back to where she came from. Guess that makes me a racist too. And u and your pet's haven't been shot yet? Lol. I thought Jamaica was quite tolerant but she made me wonder. Then again I am apparently a stupid 'stooshy' gal. In her words. So what would I know. I'm guessing that was a criticism as she only called me that after she found out I'm not married lol xx Jamaica, and the Caribbean islands in general, are very intolerant towards homosexual activity. Include Africa as well. In fact, black people in general are intolerant towards gay men." There are no batty men in Jamaica...not one! | |||
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"I'm black, born here, parents from West Indies. If the woman the OP is talking about had made the comments to me I'd have told her things are different here than Jamaica, we try to be tolerant, not ignorant. And if she didn't like it here to fuck off back to where she came from. Guess that makes me a racist too. And u and your pet's haven't been shot yet? Lol. I thought Jamaica was quite tolerant but she made me wonder. Then again I am apparently a stupid 'stooshy' gal. In her words. So what would I know. I'm guessing that was a criticism as she only called me that after she found out I'm not married lol xx Jamaica, and the Caribbean islands in general, are very intolerant towards homosexual activity. Include Africa as well. In fact, black people in general are intolerant towards gay men. There are no batty men in Jamaica...not one! " No, no anti-man dem. | |||
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"Yes she is ignorant and small minded but what worries me more is the amount of blatantly racist replies I have seen in here "go back home" etc... those living in glass houses and all that maybe im naive, but im really suprised by it!...don't really see the relevance of where she's from at all! she's wrong, ignorant, and breaking the law...end of! I wasn't meaning anything racist in my post. It was her words when she says 'back home' meaning jamaica. I don't endorse hate of any kind wether it's gender race sexuality or any other forms of discrimination x I knew it!!! I was waiting for you to catch up." Lol...got there eventually! | |||
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"I'm black, born here, parents from West Indies. If the woman the OP is talking about had made the comments to me I'd have told her things are different here than Jamaica, we try to be tolerant, not ignorant. And if she didn't like it here to fuck off back to where she came from. Guess that makes me a racist too. And u and your pet's haven't been shot yet? Lol. I thought Jamaica was quite tolerant but she made me wonder. Then again I am apparently a stupid 'stooshy' gal. In her words. So what would I know. I'm guessing that was a criticism as she only called me that after she found out I'm not married lol xx Jamaica, and the Caribbean islands in general, are very intolerant towards homosexual activity. Include Africa as well. In fact, black people in general are intolerant towards gay men. You haven't seen the same porn films I have then?! Just saying Porn isn't a reflection of real life. Just saying " What?!! You mean the window cleaner won't come in and roger me?!! Or the Tesco man do me over my work top?!! Tell me it isn't so!!! | |||
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"This is just a rant and not intended to offend anybody guys. At work tonight a woman (she doesn't work for us but an agency so comes sometimes) started making some very offensive remarks about gays and lesbians. She said she wouldn't eat at a restaurant if she thought any of the chefs were gay, she takes her own cup cutlery and plate everywhere because she doesn't know what sexuality people are at different jobs, and most offensive to me, she started going on about how in her country they shoot gays and lesbians, and there families and pets. I got really annoyed and said I have lots of family and friends that are bi and gay and she talked over me repeating about them being shot and comparing them to rapists and paedos. I think I did well to keep my dignity and walk away instead of knocking her bigoted teeth down her throat don't you? Rant over xx" Quite illegal and she could be prosecuted for such statements nowadays. | |||
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"I'm black, born here, parents from West Indies. If the woman the OP is talking about had made the comments to me I'd have told her things are different here than Jamaica, we try to be tolerant, not ignorant. And if she didn't like it here to fuck off back to where she came from. Guess that makes me a racist too. And u and your pet's haven't been shot yet? Lol. I thought Jamaica was quite tolerant but she made me wonder. Then again I am apparently a stupid 'stooshy' gal. In her words. So what would I know. I'm guessing that was a criticism as she only called me that after she found out I'm not married lol xx Jamaica, and the Caribbean islands in general, are very intolerant towards homosexual activity. Include Africa as well. In fact, black people in general are intolerant towards gay men. You haven't seen the same porn films I have then?! Just saying Porn isn't a reflection of real life. Just saying What?!! You mean the window cleaner won't come in and roger me?!! Or the Tesco man do me over my work top?!! Tell me it isn't so!!! " Relax. Those scenarios are real enough. | |||
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"I'm black, born here, parents from West Indies. If the woman the OP is talking about had made the comments to me I'd have told her things are different here than Jamaica, we try to be tolerant, not ignorant. And if she didn't like it here to fuck off back to where she came from. Guess that makes me a racist too. And u and your pet's haven't been shot yet? Lol. I thought Jamaica was quite tolerant but she made me wonder. Then again I am apparently a stupid 'stooshy' gal. In her words. So what would I know. I'm guessing that was a criticism as she only called me that after she found out I'm not married lol xx Jamaica, and the Caribbean islands in general, are very intolerant towards homosexual activity. Include Africa as well. In fact, black people in general are intolerant towards gay men. You haven't seen the same porn films I have then?! Just saying Porn isn't a reflection of real life. Just saying " Lol I'm sure not everyone would agree because most porn is a reflection on what most people get upto. Even if they don't openly admit it to you. | |||
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"I'm black, born here, parents from West Indies. If the woman the OP is talking about had made the comments to me I'd have told her things are different here than Jamaica, we try to be tolerant, not ignorant. And if she didn't like it here to fuck off back to where she came from. Guess that makes me a racist too. And u and your pet's haven't been shot yet? Lol. I thought Jamaica was quite tolerant but she made me wonder. Then again I am apparently a stupid 'stooshy' gal. In her words. So what would I know. I'm guessing that was a criticism as she only called me that after she found out I'm not married lol xx Jamaica, and the Caribbean islands in general, are very intolerant towards homosexual activity. Include Africa as well. In fact, black people in general are intolerant towards gay men. You haven't seen the same porn films I have then?! Just saying Porn isn't a reflection of real life. Just saying What?!! You mean the window cleaner won't come in and roger me?!! Or the Tesco man do me over my work top?!! Tell me it isn't so!!! Relax. Those scenarios are real enough." Yes those scenarios can and do happen lol. A good friend got pregnant by the window cleaner and the sky tv guy showed me more then just how to work the sky box lol | |||
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"I'm black, born here, parents from West Indies. If the woman the OP is talking about had made the comments to me I'd have told her things are different here than Jamaica, we try to be tolerant, not ignorant. And if she didn't like it here to fuck off back to where she came from. Guess that makes me a racist too. And u and your pet's haven't been shot yet? Lol. I thought Jamaica was quite tolerant but she made me wonder. Then again I am apparently a stupid 'stooshy' gal. In her words. So what would I know. I'm guessing that was a criticism as she only called me that after she found out I'm not married lol xx Jamaica, and the Caribbean islands in general, are very intolerant towards homosexual activity. Include Africa as well. In fact, black people in general are intolerant towards gay men. You haven't seen the same porn films I have then?! Just saying Porn isn't a reflection of real life. Just saying What?!! You mean the window cleaner won't come in and roger me?!! Or the Tesco man do me over my work top?!! Tell me it isn't so!!! Relax. Those scenarios are real enough." Phew!!! | |||
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"Im bi but think that it is important to respect the freedom of people to make up there own minds and have their own beliefs however wrong or bigoted they might be." Be that as it may people have rights not to have to listen to those kind of _iews especially in the work place. | |||
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"Ginger has just messaged me to say that she's been told that if they push the complaint both her and her team leader will face disciplinary action for having the conversation with the woman in the first place." That's crackers! | |||
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"Ginger has just messaged me to say that she's been told that if they push the complaint both her and her team leader will face disciplinary action for having the conversation with the woman in the first place." Are either of them in a union? Because that is very questionable and sounds to me like a manager trying to avoid the situation | |||
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"Ginger has just messaged me to say that she's been told that if they push the complaint both her and her team leader will face disciplinary action for having the conversation with the woman in the first place. Are either of them in a union? Because that is very questionable and sounds to me like a manager trying to avoid the situation" I was thinking the same thing. A union rep could give an impartial assessment of the situation. | |||
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"It's a shame parts of the world are still so intolerant but luckily we are moving on in our country. And I bet your a dream for a lot of couples x Did you see the 'Gay and under attack' documentary with Reggie Yates on BBC3 at 9pm? About attacks on gay people in Russia. Horrible. " Just watched that last night ( with my kids). They were horrified at peoples attitudes. That was encouraging. The creepiest ones were the evangelical arm of the orthodox church. When he asked them what they would do to a gay person, they said they would stone them, "just like in the bible". He should have asked them what Jesus would have done. Worth it just to see their brains implode. | |||
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"Bad news guys I heard from the management today that if I take it further I will face disciplinary action for having an inappropriate conversation in work. I am still taking it further because it's my principles but got to look for a new job I guess. Heartbroken because I love my job and the people I support " Just a bit speechless. Crikey. So they won't do anything about the woman... it's your fault?! | |||
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"Bad news guys I heard from the management today that if I take it further I will face disciplinary action for having an inappropriate conversation in work. I am still taking it further because it's my principles but got to look for a new job I guess. Heartbroken because I love my job and the people I support " OMFG - sounds as if the management are scaremongering you. And yet it's this bigoted woman that's in the wrong. Or knowing the bigoted woman she MAY use the "race" card. Something WAY wrong here | |||
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"Apparently my stating to her that I have friends and family that I love dearly who are gay or bi is having an inappropriate conversation at work. So we shall see what happens now I guess xx" Did you say that during her rant? If so there is no way it'll stick as it was effectively you politely saying she should stop by implying that you are offended. Was her rant prompted in anyway? | |||
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"I'd set her up, next time she works there have a colleague bring up her hate of homesexuals to get her going. Record her rant, go to the agency and show them the footage. Agencies talk to each other, she'll never get employment through them again, that'll teach her. " Yea, pity you didn't record the conversation, you'd have won hands down (via evidence). Then take it to the bosses, watch them change there tune. | |||
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"Apparently my stating to her that I have friends and family that I love dearly who are gay or bi is having an inappropriate conversation at work. So we shall see what happens now I guess xx Did you say that during her rant? If so there is no way it'll stick as it was effectively you politely saying she should stop by implying that you are offended. Was her rant prompted in anyway? " I said it during her rant and thought she would stop then but she continued. And the thing that started her rant was when I asked why she still brings her own cup etc. She started talking about hygiene then inexplicably said how she doesn't know what sexuality everybody is. X | |||
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"Bad news guys I heard from the management today that if I take it further I will face disciplinary action for having an inappropriate conversation in work. I am still taking it further because it's my principles but got to look for a new job I guess. Heartbroken because I love my job and the people I support " Someone in your company needs a wake-up call! Contact Citizens Advice, Stonewall and the Gay and Lesbian Alliance and tell them what has happened and ask for their advice. Stonewall are probably your best bet. I somehow doubt that your HR department realize they have broken the law by refusing to act when someone working for them has preached hate against gays and threatening the person who reported the hate speech. You should also ask the GMP Gay and Lesbian team for advice, the team holds an advice surgery at the Lesbian and Gay Foundation, 5 Richmond Street, Manchester, every first and third Thursday each month. Please don't let your company sweep this under the carpet and let this person continue spreading their vile beliefs. | |||
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"Thank you everyone for your support. I am not letting it drop, I've written a report to send to her agency so if my Manager doesn't follow the correct procedure I will. Unfortunately looks like I'm going it alone as my team leader has put statuses on Facebook about people being snakes, and also defended the woman today and said I have to work with her tomorow and just keep out of her way cos it's only 4 hours. Xx" Tomorrow is the 3rd Thursday in the month... Go see the police in the gay village show them the facebook update... The crime is your supervisors and the woman who made the gay hate statements , make them to have to take ownership of their homophobia and force your company to deal with both of them. | |||
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"Thank you everyone for your support. I am not letting it drop, I've written a report to send to her agency so if my Manager doesn't follow the correct procedure I will. Unfortunately looks like I'm going it alone as my team leader has put statuses on Facebook about people being snakes, and also defended the woman today and said I have to work with her tomorow and just keep out of her way cos it's only 4 hours. Xx" Take snapshots of the Facebook statuses in case you need them later on in case they delete them - that in itself is unprofessional behaviour and will go in your favour should you need to prove it xxx | |||
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"Take snapshots of the Facebook statuses in case you need them later on in case they delete them - that in itself is unprofessional behaviour and will go in your favour should you need to prove it xxx" Defo agree with that. That is WAY unprofessional to put statuses on Facebook. Can't believe the line manager is doing that. also defo agree to take snapshots etc. The more proof you get the better. Surly this situation can be dealt with internally. The company I work for would find something like this on Facebook as a disiplinary action. | |||
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