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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
So, it seems that of the hundred 'big business leaders' who are backing the government's economic performance, quite a few of them are tax avoiders who have cut deals with HMRC, and are Tory party donors.
twitter.com/peterjukes
With friends like these, etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"and Labour dont have millionaire doners who seek to pay less tax?
Anybody that makes a great deal of money gets THE best advice re how to pay less...
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Very true, it seems the only people who pay the full amount of tax are those who could do with the most breaks |
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Human nature is to pay less tax.....but don't seek to tell people that it is in the best interests of business without declaring that you are avoiding tax. If you have a hidden agenda then it is not an honest declaration of belief. The message, regardless of whether it is right or wrong will be corrupted. |
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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"and Labour dont have millionaire doners who seek to pay less tax?
Anybody that makes a great deal of money gets THE best advice re how to pay less...
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With comments like these, it's no wonder that the Tories can rely on turkeys voting for Christmas.
Don't forget to tug your forelock on the way out of the voting booth, now! |
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"and Labour dont have millionaire doners who seek to pay less tax?
Anybody that makes a great deal of money gets THE best advice re how to pay less...
With comments like these, it's no wonder that the Tories can rely on turkeys voting for Christmas.
Don't forget to tug your forelock on the way out of the voting booth, now!"
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By *he tactile technicianMan
over a year ago
the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands |
"and Labour dont have millionaire doners who seek to pay less tax?
Anybody that makes a great deal of money gets THE best advice re how to pay less...
With comments like these, it's no wonder that the Tories can rely on turkeys voting for Christmas.
Don't forget to tug your forelock on the way out of the voting booth, now!"
Lets see who's the turkey when Labour are being stuffed by the SNP's |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They are all cunts we are represented by the least amongst us they have no idea any of the party leaders what the real world is like. I loath having to listen to their bullshit and "how we are all in it together" don't make me laugh the piss drinking wankers. |
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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"They are all cunts we are represented by the least amongst us they have no idea any of the party leaders what the real world is like. I loath having to listen to their bullshit and "how we are all in it together" don't make me laugh the piss drinking wankers."
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"Human nature is to pay less tax...."
I disagree - I am really happy to pay my fair share of tax, and like many people would willingly pay more, to invest in a better health service - as national surveys showed a few months ago.
If I earn more, I am totally willing to pay my bit to help keep this country sustainable, with infrastructure etc, as well as help support those who may need it.
The Conservatives are the nasty party, as their last few years in power, despite not getting a majority to govern, and in spite of everything the Spin Doctor Cameron tried to convince us they were changed. Nasty party, there for the very wealthy but happy to try and convince and use fear for the poor rest of us to vote for them.
Undecided voter. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I begrudge having to pay more when the services they deliver now are sub standard they give tax breaks to big company's to keep them sweet yet they sting motorist at the pumps year after year. To put it simply they are all the same .
Politicians are like nappies
They should be changed regularly and for the same reason.
As both are full of shit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"and Labour dont have millionaire doners who seek to pay less tax?
Anybody that makes a great deal of money gets THE best advice re how to pay less...
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You mean like the IHT avoidance Ed Miliband did with his socialist brother to avoid paying inheritance tax on his communist dad's £2million home.
Tax avoiders are all Tories/capitalists though apparently |
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By *dwalu2 OP Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"and Labour dont have millionaire doners who seek to pay less tax?
Anybody that makes a great deal of money gets THE best advice re how to pay less...
You mean like the IHT avoidance Ed Miliband did with his socialist brother to avoid paying inheritance tax on his communist dad's £2million home.
Tax avoiders are all Tories/capitalists though apparently "
You'd have to be pretty dopey and / or unaware of the facts regarding property and inheritance tax to regard that as tax avoidance.
However, for a real lesson in tax avoidance, go to Prime Minister David Cameron, whose family fortune comes directly from his father's business of - you guessed it - tax avoidance.
So yes, they really are the masters in that particular art. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"and Labour dont have millionaire doners who seek to pay less tax?
Anybody that makes a great deal of money gets THE best advice re how to pay less...
You mean like the IHT avoidance Ed Miliband did with his socialist brother to avoid paying inheritance tax on his communist dad's £2million home.
Tax avoiders are all Tories/capitalists though apparently
You'd have to be pretty dopey and / or unaware of the facts regarding property and inheritance tax to regard that as tax avoidance.
However, for a real lesson in tax avoidance, go to Prime Minister David Cameron, whose family fortune comes directly from his father's business of - you guessed it - tax avoidance.
So yes, they really are the masters in that particular art."
I thought the Cameron's fortune came from the slave trade. |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Angus & Findhorn |
it's lovely to read that if people found themselves in the fortunate position of being able to employ Tax Specialists, they would step away and pay the maximum tax.
very heart warming  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"and Labour dont have millionaire doners who seek to pay less tax?
Anybody that makes a great deal of money gets THE best advice re how to pay less...
You mean like the IHT avoidance Ed Miliband did with his socialist brother to avoid paying inheritance tax on his communist dad's £2million home.
Tax avoiders are all Tories/capitalists though apparently
You'd have to be pretty dopey and / or unaware of the facts regarding property and inheritance tax to regard that as tax avoidance.
However, for a real lesson in tax avoidance, go to Prime Minister David Cameron, whose family fortune comes directly from his father's business of - you guessed it - tax avoidance.
So yes, they really are the masters in that particular art.
I thought the Cameron's fortune came from the slave trade. "
I heard it was torturing puppies.  |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"and Labour dont have millionaire doners who seek to pay less tax?
Anybody that makes a great deal of money gets THE best advice re how to pay less...
You mean like the IHT avoidance Ed Miliband did with his socialist brother to avoid paying inheritance tax on his communist dad's £2million home.
Tax avoiders are all Tories/capitalists though apparently
You'd have to be pretty dopey and / or unaware of the facts regarding property and inheritance tax to regard that as tax avoidance.
However, for a real lesson in tax avoidance, go to Prime Minister David Cameron, whose family fortune comes directly from his father's business of - you guessed it - tax avoidance.
So yes, they really are the masters in that particular art.
I thought the Cameron's fortune came from the slave trade. "
Nah... They are drug dealers child kidnappers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"and Labour dont have millionaire doners who seek to pay less tax?
Anybody that makes a great deal of money gets THE best advice re how to pay less...
You mean like the IHT avoidance Ed Miliband did with his socialist brother to avoid paying inheritance tax on his communist dad's £2million home.
Tax avoiders are all Tories/capitalists though apparently
You'd have to be pretty dopey and / or unaware of the facts regarding property and inheritance tax to regard that as tax avoidance.
However, for a real lesson in tax avoidance, go to Prime Minister David Cameron, whose family fortune comes directly from his father's business of - you guessed it - tax avoidance.
So yes, they really are the masters in that particular art."
Pssst... what Miliband did was closed as a loophole in the last budget. You may not have seen it with your red rose coloured glasses |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"and Labour dont have millionaire doners who seek to pay less tax?
Anybody that makes a great deal of money gets THE best advice re how to pay less...
You mean like the IHT avoidance Ed Miliband did with his socialist brother to avoid paying inheritance tax on his communist dad's £2million home.
Tax avoiders are all Tories/capitalists though apparently
You'd have to be pretty dopey and / or unaware of the facts regarding property and inheritance tax to regard that as tax avoidance.
However, for a real lesson in tax avoidance, go to Prime Minister David Cameron, whose family fortune comes directly from his father's business of - you guessed it - tax avoidance.
So yes, they really are the masters in that particular art.
I thought the Cameron's fortune came from the slave trade.
Nah... They are drug dealers child kidnappers."
And tortured puppies?  |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"it's lovely to read that if people found themselves in the fortunate position of being able to employ Tax Specialists, they would step away and pay the maximum tax.
very heart warming "
On another thread someone mentioned that the most popular Labour leader in living memory earned £10,000,000 last year and paid £275,000 in tax (2.75%).
Personally, I can't see how that would be possible but I read it on the internet and on an anonymous forum so I am going to believe it....  |
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By *bextraMan
over a year ago
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agree...
I would willingly pay more tax to ensure that all who need a safety net, disabled and young people get a fair chance to share in the riches of the county. we are all very well off and have a great country - but it is not equal and opportunities need to be shared
we need a better funded Health service - how many people do you know that have had an op on the NHS but in a private hospital - don't kiss yourself that this NHS money proping up shares in the private sector.
Lets look towards other countries .. on a Swedish, Finish Model of social wellbeing
We need more engagement with Europe not less...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Instead of arguing about tax avoidance and who does it best/would you/should you.
Nobody volunteers for tax... That's why there tax laws!
The reason those loop holes exist is because the tax law is written by the rich not because they can afford clever accountants, that but of the trick is how you stop poorer people from doing the same as you, by making it costly to use the loop holes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"it's lovely to read that if people found themselves in the fortunate position of being able to employ Tax Specialists, they would step away and pay the maximum tax.
very heart warming
On another thread someone mentioned that the most popular Labour leader in living memory earned £10,000,000 last year and paid £275,000 in tax (2.75%).
Personally, I can't see how that would be possible but I read it on the internet and on an anonymous forum so I am going to believe it.... "
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You need more business/tax avoidance advise no problem... Let's take that lovely new Tory pension policy....
25% you can now take tax free!.
So if your a ceo of a bank or probably one those 100 business geniuses your banging on about, you can take your massive bonuses in deferred shares or one of the many other share related bonus schemes and put them straight into your pension pot, these massive share bonuses mean you pay no tax on your bonus, you pay no national insurance and your company pay no national insurance either....
Now you can take that big whopping 25% of that pension pot completely tax free.... Nothing, Nada, zilch, fuck all, zero!
And that's unlimited your pension pot could be worth 50 million!.
Or you could take one of many many off shore schemes that run at around 8%.
That's the main reason they argue about the 50% income tax... It's bollocks hardly anyone in the country actually is on that tax code
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"agree...
I would willingly pay more tax to ensure that all who need a safety net, disabled and young people get a fair chance to share in the riches of the county. we are all very well off and have a great country - but it is not equal and opportunities need to be shared
we need a better funded Health service - how many people do you know that have had an op on the NHS but in a private hospital - don't kiss yourself that this NHS money proping up shares in the private sector.
Lets look towards other countries .. on a Swedish, Finish Model of social wellbeing
We need more engagement with Europe not less...
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The NHS story is worthy of a thread all to itself. Suffice to say that despite the fact that anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that it is unsustainable in its present format... No one has the balls to actually raise the issue and start a grown up debate about it.
The only two politicians that I can see having the nerve to front the issue are Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson. But having said that, Farage bottled his opportunity to do just that quite recently. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"agree...
I would willingly pay more tax to ensure that all who need a safety net, disabled and young people get a fair chance to share in the riches of the county. we are all very well off and have a great country - but it is not equal and opportunities need to be shared
we need a better funded Health service - how many people do you know that have had an op on the NHS but in a private hospital - don't kiss yourself that this NHS money proping up shares in the private sector.
Lets look towards other countries .. on a Swedish, Finish Model of social wellbeing
We need more engagement with Europe not less...
The NHS story is worthy of a thread all to itself. Suffice to say that despite the fact that anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that it is unsustainable in its present format... No one has the balls to actually raise the issue and start a grown up debate about it.
The only two politicians that I can see having the nerve to front the issue are Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson. But having said that, Farage bottled his opportunity to do just that quite recently."
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Quite remarkable
You can see un sustainability in the NHS but not in anything else...
Back to the personal philosophy again, what ever you don't like is unsustainable, whatever you do like can go on forever, regardless of data or facts.
I like green policies and in the main there left wing, predominantly I'm left wing but I'm very right wing on lots of things?.
You don't have to be left or right it's quite possible to be both if you allow yourself to be driven off facts rather than fiction |
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"So, it seems that of the hundred 'big business leaders' who are backing the government's economic performance, quite a few of them are tax avoiders who have cut deals with HMRC, and are Tory party donors.
twitter.com/peterjukes
With friends like these, etc."
Was Tony Blair on the list, after all he was more Tory than the real tories, lol. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"So, it seems that of the hundred 'big business leaders' who are backing the government's economic performance, quite a few of them are tax avoiders who have cut deals with HMRC, and are Tory party donors.
twitter.com/peterjukes
With friends like these, etc.Info from twitter oh what a reliable source ha ha ha"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, it seems that of the hundred 'big business leaders' who are backing the government's economic performance, quite a few of them are tax avoiders who have cut deals with HMRC, and are Tory party donors.
twitter.com/peterjukes
With friends like these, etc.Info from twitter oh what a reliable source ha ha ha"
There's an analysis in the Independent too if you'd prefer...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/one-in-five-of-the-businessmen-who-signed-protory-letter-were-given-honours-by-david-cameron-and-one-third-are-tory-donors-10148897.html |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You need more business/tax avoidance advise no problem... Let's take that lovely new Tory pension policy....
25% you can now take tax free!.
So if your a ceo of a bank or probably one those 100 business geniuses your banging on about, you can take your massive bonuses in deferred shares or one of the many other share related bonus schemes and put them straight into your pension pot, these massive share bonuses mean you pay no tax on your bonus, you pay no national insurance and your company pay no national insurance either....
Now you can take that big whopping 25% of that pension pot completely tax free.... Nothing, Nada, zilch, fuck all, zero!
And that's unlimited your pension pot could be worth 50 million!.
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Send me the details of your tax advisor. According to gov.uk, the lifetime limit on pensions contributions is £1.25 million with a maximum put in of £40000 a year (or 100% of your earnings if it's less than that). That's still a lot but it's not unlimited/ £50 million.
If you've got a way of contributing more than that tax free, it's only fair that you share it with the rest of the mega tax avoiders. And me after I check my lottery tickets. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, it seems that of the hundred 'big business leaders' who are backing the government's economic performance, quite a few of them are tax avoiders who have cut deals with HMRC, and are Tory party donors.
twitter.com/peterjukes
With friends like these, etc.Info from twitter oh what a reliable source ha ha ha
There's an analysis in the Independent too if you'd prefer...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/one-in-five-of-the-businessmen-who-signed-protory-letter-were-given-honours-by-david-cameron-and-one-third-are-tory-donors-10148897.html"
...and you forgot to mention a similar letter surfaced on April 1st, 2010. A coincidence? Maybe they must think since they won that year, the British public might have a brain freeze on April fools' day.
Here's the link to a letter signed by business chiefs on April Fools' day 2010
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/political-row-over-national-insurance-rises-intensifies-1933127.html |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just to point out if you have an ISA, are part of a pension scheme, take part in the bike to work scheme or any other smart salary sacrifice program you too are a dirty dirty tax avoider.
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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago
Clacton on sea, Essex |
"Instead of arguing about tax avoidance and who does it best/would you/should you.
Nobody volunteers for tax... That's why there tax laws!
The reason those loop holes exist is because the tax law is written by the rich not because they can afford clever accountants, that but of the trick is how you stop poorer people from doing the same as you, by making it costly to use the loop holes."
Very true the conservatives use their spin doctors to drum up hate amongst the unemployed and those better off by churning out dozens of TV progs about benefit scroungers , the scrounging big earning tax evaders are not shown in the same light for some reason even though they are costing the UK more to support. |
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