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Kids playing rated 18 games = neglect

By *hyllyphylly OP Man over a year ago

Bradford

Oh dear...

I can see what they are trying to do, but they are going about it all wrong.

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Head teachers in Cheshire have warned parents they will report them to the authorities if they allow their children to play computer games rated for over-18s.

The letter was sent by the Nantwich Education Partnership group to parents from 16 schools in the county.

The heads claim games such as Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty contain unsuitable levels of violence.

They warn parents they could be reported for neglect in some cases.

The heads state that playing such games or accessing certain social media sites can increase early sexualised behaviour in youngsters and leave them vulnerable to grooming for sexual exploitation.

Mary Hennessy Jones, the head who drafted the letter, said: "We are trying to help parents to keep their children as safe as possible in this digital era.

"It is so easy for children to end up in the wrong place and parents find it helpful to have some very clear guidelines."

Prime Minister David Cameron announced this month that adults in positions of responsibility could face prison sentences of up to five years if they failed to report allegations of the neglect or abuse of children.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh dear...

I can see what they are trying to do, but they are going about it all wrong.

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Head teachers in Cheshire have warned parents they will report them to the authorities if they allow their children to play computer games rated for over-18s.

The letter was sent by the Nantwich Education Partnership group to parents from 16 schools in the county.

The heads claim games such as Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty contain unsuitable levels of violence.

They warn parents they could be reported for neglect in some cases.

The heads state that playing such games or accessing certain social media sites can increase early sexualised behaviour in youngsters and leave them vulnerable to grooming for sexual exploitation.

Mary Hennessy Jones, the head who drafted the letter, said: "We are trying to help parents to keep their children as safe as possible in this digital era.

"It is so easy for children to end up in the wrong place and parents find it helpful to have some very clear guidelines."

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I'd actually completely agree with him!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bit like the forums, it won't affect the ones it should affect.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bit like the forums, it won't affect the ones it should affect."
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True but that shouldn't stop them from trying.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bit like the forums, it won't affect the ones it should affect..

True but that shouldn't stop them from trying."

I agree. x

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By *adybee77Woman over a year ago

MAMOBA, miles and miles of bugger all (Aberdeenshire)

I don't think its neglect, but it does worry me the effects these games have on younger children... however as we are happy to arm 16 and 17 year olds in the army, and the age of majority is 16 - then the 18 rating seems silly... you can have sex and you can shoot someone for your country, but you are damned if you play it on a screen in your own home...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

I don't think it's neglectful but I do think it's not appropriate for young kids to play or watch such games.

My sister was very angry the other day when she learnt my nephew had played COD at his friends house. He is only 10 and humans his (girl)friend were being looked after by her older brother.

My nephews dad plays all sorts of gory games but never when the kids are around and he was not happy about it either.

Too many kids are tied to their consoles these days. I love the fact that my nephew would rather p lay at outside on roller skates and go karts than spend all weekend indoors on games consoles

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This will have no effect, because the kind of dickhead who lets their 11 year old stay up all night playing COD isn't going to listen to anything the school says and they're probably known to social services already anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Never got the appeal of computer games anyway.Well not"modern ones"anyway. My gaming days ended after the first pc version of Quake..lost interest after that.. But yeah, call of duty and so on.. Why would anyone want their kids playing that? Who wants their kids learning military tactics in childhood? Not mine, that's for sure. In my _iew, realistic combat isn't a game appropriate for children.

(End of soapbox)

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By *eepfoughtMan over a year ago

Burnley

I think the neglect charges are a little overkill, but parents do need to carefully consider these games and be aware what their kids are playing.

I've dealt with many parents who allowed their kids to play games like GTA, thinking their 18 certificate was just for the violence. When I pointed out some of the other content of the game you could see their faces drop. Needless to say their attitudes changed.

Ultimately though, as long as parent's make an informed decision about games which are voluntarily certified by an industry-sponsored organisation, it is their decision. For me though, I'd say no to any kids who asked me.

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By *eovilcouple76Couple over a year ago

yeovil

" you can shoot someone for your country, but you are damned if you play it on a screen in your own home..."

Can't go into front line combat until you're 18.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As other people have said, why are kids playing these games in the first place? Surely its parents job to check ratings on games?

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By *adybee77Woman over a year ago

MAMOBA, miles and miles of bugger all (Aberdeenshire)

" you can shoot someone for your country, but you are damned if you play it on a screen in your own home...

Can't go into front line combat until you're 18. "

No, but they can train for it...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Maybe some schools should look at themselves before judging parents. The levels of bullying in my son's school is ridiculous and despite numerous visits and meetings they've done very little. I hear the same story from other parents too.

Schools seem to have lost sight of their task, which is primarily to educate and care for children when they're there. Surely it's a parents job to decide whether a computer game is suitable and nothing to do with a school.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe some schools should look at themselves before judging parents. The levels of bullying in my son's school is ridiculous and despite numerous visits and meetings they've done very little. I hear the same story from other parents too.

I see this from the other side of the coin and I think there is far too much responsibility placed on schools. Re: bullying - perhaps the parents of the children doing the bullying ought to be taking more responsibility.

It's a school's job to educate the children while they are there. It's the parent's job to deliver their children to the school in a state that they're going to be capable of receiving that education.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Both valid points which I totally agree with.

But what if the school in question isn't informing the parents of the bully? This is what happened in my case until I went to the extreme of contacting the local authorities and threatening to get the police involved.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think its neglect, but it does worry me the effects these games have on younger children... however as we are happy to arm 16 and 17 year olds in the army, and the age of majority is 16 - then the 18 rating seems silly... you can have sex and you can shoot someone for your country, but you are damned if you play it on a screen in your own home..."

It's more to do with social responsibility of protection from watching repeated images. Example.... A 40 year old convicted rapist could have mental health issues due to watching a rape scene in an 18 rated computer game that he played whilst underage. Which is why retailers have pos laws and ask for id.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Both valid points which I totally agree with.

Then that does sound like a failure on the part of the school, but still doesn't negate the fact that those parents should probably look to themselves regarding the behaviour of their child.

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By *ustcutieWoman over a year ago

edinburgh

Stone me now, I'm one of the abusive mothers who has let their child play over 18 games, and I can honestly say that if you met my son you couldn't meet a better, more grounded child. I agree that some of the content is overboard and not needed but the majority of it is fine. I've brought my son (age 14) up to know right from wrong and he knows that games are not reality

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

video games always get it.

never mind the amount of shit that spouted around in entertainment in general...

sexualized music industry,etc

my nephew ha been playing some of the games a few years now..he ha been taught right and wrong, has no interest in gangs or real guns, abhors racism, has a good social life.

my argument may be that without playing video games he may have turned out differently too.

he has been monitored throughout the years in the house...his brother on the other hand managed to rank up a lot of trouble out with the house.

regardless of the age ratings, kids can be taught what real and what not and of course what is appropriate for the real world.

I would agree more on the GTA series(never really liked those games anyway)with the sexual content being puerile and giving videogames in general a bad name...even if aimed at an 'adult'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stone me now, I'm one of the abusive mothers who has let their child play over 18 games, and I can honestly say that if you met my son you couldn't meet a better, more grounded child. I agree that some of the content is overboard and not needed but the majority of it is fine. I've brought my son (age 14) up to know right from wrong and he knows that games are not reality "

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By *uncpl2015Couple over a year ago

Bridgend Area

It's certainly not neglect. The games do not cause issues as has been said it's the individual that does. As long as kids are we brought up educated and know right from wrong there shouldn't be a problem. Personally I hate the games and don't think for any age they need to have the content that they do. However we stood firm and refused to let our son have one of the games that's been mentioned. However all of the others in his class had the game his friends all had the game and he could go to his mates house and play it. He was getting issues at school as he was they only one not allowed it etc. So there is a side of this where the parents that won't allow their kids to have them are put in a terrible position and kids put in potential situation of near bullying or fun poked at them as they the only ones where parents said no.

Govern the games and remove the unnecessary or extreme violence etc from them and that's the problem sorted, but that's never going to happen.. so let's go for the parents as that's the simply answer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Both valid points which I totally agree with.

Then that does sound like a failure on the part of the school, but still doesn't negate the fact that those parents should probably look to themselves regarding the behaviour of their child. "

Definitely. Thankfully they've been informed and seem to have taken appropriate action. Due to the amount of time it took to get resolved and the schools lack of care I have decided to move my son anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's pretty shit.

They have access to the internet where REAL acts of violence and sexual behaviour is Just a few clicks away.

Censorship is not the way forward.

I've always said that there should be some way to make it so kids can't get on certain games.

But that only works if people don't circumvent it.

Video games have always been a scapegoat since games came on cassette/floppy disk/cartridge.

And it'll only get worse when violent games come out for the VR headsets.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

Not being a parent I have no reallexperience but I would think there will be parents that allow them to play these games, have honest conversations and have a bond that facilitates them never losing sight that it's a game, not real life.

There will be others, well lets just say 'will struggle with that'...........

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lol if people don't think graphic images of rape, murder, shooting, stabbings and many others don't affect a young mind....

You really do need help

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By *moSexGeeksCouple over a year ago

Warwick

As a young person who still plays games. I must say;

My brothers got rated 18 games that I was banned from playing rated 18 games. But the rules seem to fade away with time and I played them before I was 18. I Have never been screwed up or wanted to hurt someone because of it because to me, it was just a game. You ever seen your kids playing with pretend guns? Doesn't mean they will actually get one and shoot someone.

If you say it is an issue today, that is due to parents that don't understand games at all. This fad is basically a generation difference and time will fill the gap. Simply because the parents of tomorrow will understand games and what's good or bad.

Tl:dr

Kids don't get screwed by 18 year old games, the kid gets screwed by his addiction to games in general.

Parents don't understand games... Thus let's kids play violent games at the age of 10

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By *L RogueMan over a year ago

London

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By *ouplekinkCouple over a year ago

kink town

We let our 10 and 13 year old play 18 rated games and some over age rated films. Our kids know right and wrong, how to treat others with respect and can differentiate fantasy from reality. Its not the games/films that are at fault it how they are brought up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We let our 10 and 13 year old play 18 rated games and some over age rated films. Our kids know right and wrong, how to treat others with respect and can differentiate fantasy from reality. Its not the games/films that are at fault it how they are brought up. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do you let them get pissed and smoke at the weekends as well, maybe do a bit of acid and fuck their teachers... I'm guessing you don't because their too young to understand the complexity's of adulthood!.

Just because someone can't be arsed actually telling their children no, your not old enough!

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By *L RogueMan over a year ago

London

It all comes back to proper parenting. Games Consoles are for entertainment, not a babysitting tool. If parents are so worried, why don't they join in and play? That way, they can monitor what their children are playing, how they're behaving with others online, how much time they play and so on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

mums playing candy crush and dad takes the game off the kids...then its family breakdown

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By *L RogueMan over a year ago

London

mums playing candy crush and dad takes the game off the kids...then its family breakdown

Bloody hell! We can't win!

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By *ouplekinkCouple over a year ago

kink town

Just because someone can't be arsed actually telling their children no, your not old enough!"

Wow, are you comparing underage drinking, smoking and taking drugs to a playing a computer game???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just because someone can't be arsed actually telling their children no, your not old enough!

Wow, are you comparing underage drinking, smoking and taking drugs to a playing a computer game??? "
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There all age restricted activities

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By *ustcutieWoman over a year ago

edinburgh

Just because someone can't be arsed actually telling their children no, your not old enough!

Wow, are you comparing underage drinking, smoking and taking drugs to a playing a computer game??? "

scary huh

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Good. It's about time something was done about adults who don't follow guidelines and protect their children.

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By *ouplekinkCouple over a year ago

kink town

Just because someone can't be arsed actually telling their children no, your not old enough!

Wow, are you comparing underage drinking, smoking and taking drugs to a playing a computer game??? .

There all age restricted activities"

Sort of, there isn't actually a law saying kids can't play these games they are just not allowed to buy them. So no they are not comparable.

Do you stick to what the law says on Everything? Or do you use you own life experiences to make decisions?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just because someone can't be arsed actually telling their children no, your not old enough!

Wow, are you comparing underage drinking, smoking and taking drugs to a playing a computer game??? .

There all age restricted activities

Sort of, there isn't actually a law saying kids can't play these games they are just not allowed to buy them. So no they are not comparable.

Do you stick to what the law says on Everything? Or do you use you own life experiences to make decisions? "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" you can shoot someone for your country, but you are damned if you play it on a screen in your own home...

Can't go into front line combat until you're 18. "

Didn't realise the law changed in 2014 - remember getting a 17 year old who won one of the highest honours for saving his sergeant and the putting a chest drain in him whilst under fire - to speak to students not long ago.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I suspect the bigger issue for schools are young kids who are allowed to play games late into the night who turn up exhausted for school and are therefore distruptive and almost impossible to teach.

Most games I understand can be set up to exclude age inappropriate scenes.

Everything in moderation etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just because someone can't be arsed actually telling their children no, your not old enough!"

I can't take that comment seriously sexy-bum

Comparing playing computer games to taking acid and fucking their teachers

I played games such as GTA and hit man from my early teens, a 13 year old me throughly enjoyed hijacking cars and taking out contracts on hitman. Best lock my parents up for neglect and take me away in a straight jacket.

While I have done my fair share of virtual killing and car jacking, I have never smoked, didn't try booze till 16 and have never taken or plan to take drugs.

Get a grip mate

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By *ustcutieWoman over a year ago

edinburgh

"I suspect the bigger issue for schools are young kids who are allowed to play games late into the night who turn up exhausted for school and are therefore distruptive and almost impossible to teach.

Most games I understand can be set up to exclude age inappropriate scenes.

Everything in moderation etc."

my sons in bed with games off at 10 o'clock even at 14

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By *eepfoughtMan over a year ago

Burnley

Lets compare this with movies for a moment.

Would you let your pre-18 kid watch an 18 rated movie, say a Schwarzenegger film from the 90s, with the rating in place because of violence? Possibly.

Now, imagine we got Crank 3, but instead of having to get electric shocks, Jason Statham has to stay alive by picking up streetwalkers, but as he only has a certain amount of money, he kills them to get a refund. Would you let them watch that? I'm guessing no.

This is why parents should vet what their kids play. Maybe a Call Of Duty game is seen as no worse than watching Rambo, or even the news, but the Grand Theft Auto Games, Sleeping Dogs et al are a different kettle of fish.

As I've said before, reporting parents is not constructive, but informing parents is. I think many parents would balk if they really knew why some games get their ratings.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hmmmm......and precisely what will the said authorities do if the parents are reported, probably sweet FA.

Sounds like an LEA in meltdown to me.

It's a minefield being a parent your _iews & values are always being tested and pushed to the limits by your child's peer group.

Whilst I agree some of these games are not suitable whatsoever I think the blanket term 'neglect' is misplaced.

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By *eovilcouple76Couple over a year ago

yeovil

" you can shoot someone for your country, but you are damned if you play it on a screen in your own home...

Can't go into front line combat until you're 18.

Current legislation prohibits anyone under the age of 18 to engage in a hostile situation as expected in a war zone.

16 and 17 year olds can join the Army but cannot be sent to a war zone.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

I never let my kid's play 18+

I thinks it is neglect and lazy parenting and

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By *ouplekinkCouple over a year ago

kink town

"I never let my kid's play 18+

I thinks it is neglect and lazy parenting and "

Neglect??

Lazy parenting???

Maybe you should write a book on how to be the perfect parent, maybe future generations will know that as long as they follow government guidelines they can't go wrong.

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By *urreyfun2008Man over a year ago

East Grinstead

Sometimes I think some in power would not be happy until they can switch off all electronics in the hands of a child at 9pm

I recall lots games of soldiers at school and after that could get pretty wild and knowing about the 'behind the bike sheds' griloups from about 11. Yes things need some hard rules but too many and they lose their effect

Issue is about control and percieved safety. As people we don't suddenly mature on first day of 18 it is a progression that starts when born and ends when we die.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just because someone can't be arsed actually telling their children no, your not old enough!

Wow, are you comparing underage drinking, smoking and taking drugs to a playing a computer game??? .

There all age restricted activities

Sort of, there isn't actually a law saying kids can't play these games they are just not allowed to buy them. So no they are not comparable.

Do you stick to what the law says on Everything? Or do you use you own life experiences to make decisions? "
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There's no law that says a ten year old can't smoke,I wouldn't buy them for my ten year old because as any right minded adult can see, smoking is bad that's why they can't buy them at ten years old.

Listen I'm not knocking you personally my children are 14&12 I've had a running battle with them over this for write a few years.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

"I never let my kid's play 18+

I thinks it is neglect and lazy parenting and

Neglect??

Lazy parenting???

Maybe you should write a book on how to be the perfect parent, maybe future generations will know that as long as they follow government guidelines they can't go wrong. "

I never said I was perfect

You can't say I did

Don't lie

I just said this is my _iew

Other people's _iews are available

And I already do write for a living anyway so there

Ner ner

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I never let my kid's play 18+

I thinks it is neglect and lazy parenting and

Neglect??

Lazy parenting???

Maybe you should write a book on how to be the perfect parent, maybe future generations will know that as long as they follow government guidelines they can't go wrong. "
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Why do the government age restrict games that have graphic images of shootings, murder, stabbings, rape.. And these games don't just have graphic images... The game player is doing the rapping, murdering, shooting.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that a child won't be affected in any way, because if that's true coca cola are wasting an awful lot of fucking money advertising!

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

"I never let my kid's play 18+

I thinks it is neglect and lazy parenting and

Neglect??

Lazy parenting???

Maybe you should write a book on how to be the perfect parent, maybe future generations will know that as long as they follow government guidelines they can't go wrong. ..

Are you seriously trying to tell me that a child won't be affected in any way, because if that's true coca cola are wasting an awful lot of fucking money advertising!"

This

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By *ona29Woman over a year ago

Northampton

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is a lot of research into this and the reasons the laws aren't stricter is there is little or no evidence to suggest that playing games or watching films has a negative effect on children.

As long as its balanced... I think social services will get a bit fed up with the school if they report all parents allowing it.

I'd be very worried if my children couldn't tell the difference between a game and real life.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

I am not interested in any evidence or proof

I think you can easily offer children alternative forms of entertainment until they're 18

We managed without in my day

Bored kids are the result of unimaginative parenting

That's my opinion

Like it or not

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By *ouplekinkCouple over a year ago

kink town

Are you seriously trying to tell me that a child won't be affected in any way, because if that's true coca cola are wasting an awful lot of fucking money advertising!"

Yes I am, becuase if it did affect kids there would be lots of evidence out there to back it up, which there isnt.

I'll throw the question back at you, what effect do you think it has?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am not interested in any evidence or proof

I think you can easily offer children alternative forms of entertainment until they're 18

We managed without in my day

Bored kids are the result of unimaginative parenting

That's my opinion

Like it or not

If kids only play games then fair enough. But it's something that wasnt around when we were younger.

Parents were happy to let their kids out to play. We used to have play wars and everything.

Times change... Don't blame technology..

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

"I am not interested in any evidence or proof

I think you can easily offer children alternative forms of entertainment until they're 18

We managed without in my day

Bored kids are the result of unimaginative parenting

That's my opinion

Like it or not

If kids only play games then fair enough. But it's something that wasnt around when we were younger.

Parents were happy to let their kids out to play. We used to have play wars and everything.

Times change... Don't blame technology.. "

Technology is fine

I'm not a dinosaur

Me grandchildren are actively encouraged to persue other interests

Sports

Clubs chess cookery painting etc

Amateur dramatics

Go walking

Invite friends over

Hold craft parties

Club together with other parents to put events on for them

The last of options for things to do is endless

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am not interested in any evidence or proof

I think you can easily offer children alternative forms of entertainment until they're 18

We managed without in my day

Bored kids are the result of unimaginative parenting

That's my opinion

Like it or not

If kids only play games then fair enough. But it's something that wasnt around when we were younger.

Parents were happy to let their kids out to play. We used to have play wars and everything.

Times change... Don't blame technology..

Technology is fine

I'm not a dinosaur

Me grandchildren are actively encouraged to persue other interests

Sports

Clubs chess cookery painting etc

Amateur dramatics

Go walking

Invite friends over

Hold craft parties

Club together with other parents to put events on for them

The last of options for things to do is endless "

So why is occasionally letting them play video games wrong then.

It doesn't make anyone lazy or bad parent for letting them have video games ... My parents wouldn't allow me to play games when they came out.

Just made me out to be a freak because I couldn't play them. Not doing that to my kids

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

"I am not interested in any evidence or proof

I think you can easily offer children alternative forms of entertainment until they're 18

We managed without in my day

Bored kids are the result of unimaginative parenting

That's my opinion

Like it or not

If kids only play games then fair enough. But it's something that wasnt around when we were younger.

Parents were happy to let their kids out to play. We used to have play wars and everything.

Times change... Don't blame technology..

Technology is fine

I'm not a dinosaur

Me grandchildren are actively encouraged to persue other interests

Sports

Clubs chess cookery painting etc

Amateur dramatics

Go walking

Invite friends over

Hold craft parties

Club together with other parents to put events on for them

The last of options for things to do is endless

So why is occasionally letting them play video games wrong then.

It doesn't make anyone lazy or bad parent for letting them have video games ... My parents wouldn't allow me to play games when they came out.

Just made me out to be a freak because I couldn't play them. Not doing that to my kids "

Age appropriate games is fine on occasion sure

But we in our family prefer activities involving actual interaction with real breathing people you're actually with

Our kids don't ask for the games because they'll be told no

They're far from being social outcasts

In fact quite the opposite

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are you seriously trying to tell me that a child won't be affected in any way, because if that's true coca cola are wasting an awful lot of fucking money advertising!

Yes I am, becuase if it did affect kids there would be lots of evidence out there to back it up, which there isnt.

I'll throw the question back at you, what effect do you think it has? "
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It normalises the abnormal!

If watching violence has no effect on children, why do people worry about children brought up in violent households?... Why worry about anything they see in society, according to you nothing effects them, advertises waste their money have over fist on tv daily, tesco waste their money on shelf arrangements, the type of music being played in shops!, pointless, why does the profession of an abattoir worker exclude them murder juries!.

The list of influences on humans by society is endless, if you choose to believe something doesn't affect you, go ahead!.

Me,I'll be taking the harder route of not letting my children on them.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

Are you seriously trying to tell me that a child won't be affected in any way, because if that's true coca cola are wasting an awful lot of fucking money advertising!

Yes I am, becuase if it did affect kids there would be lots of evidence out there to back it up, which there isnt.

I'll throw the question back at you, what effect do you think it has? .

It normalises the abnormal!

The list of influences on humans by society is endless, if you choose to believe something doesn't affect you, go ahead!.

Me,I'll be taking the harder route of not letting my children on them."

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By *ouplekinkCouple over a year ago

kink town

If watching violence has no effect on children, why do people worry about children brought up in violent households?... Why worry about anything they see in society, according to you nothing effects themist on tv daily, tesco waste their money on shelf arrangements, the type of music being played in shops!, pointless, why does the profession of an abattoir worker exclude them murder juries!.

There you go again with completely ridiculous comparisons, a violent household is REAL and they could be in REAL danger. Kids that can't distinguish right from wrong and real life from fantasy, either have underlying issues or suffer from a lack of responsible parenting. Blaming it on a video game is a cop out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd love to know how many parents actually know anything other than what they read in a tabloid or on some website.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If watching violence has no effect on children, why do people worry about children brought up in violent households?... Why worry about anything they see in society, according to you nothing effects themist on tv daily, tesco waste their money on shelf arrangements, the type of music being played in shops!, pointless, why does the profession of an abattoir worker exclude them murder juries!.

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Because their kids.... That's why their not allowed to vote or fuck or smoke... Because they can't distinguish things... Because their children, non adult, minors, youths, lacking in responsibility, hence why they don't face the law like adults!.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

If watching violence has no effect on children, why do people worry about children brought up in violent households?... Why worry about anything they see in society, according to you nothing effects themist on tv daily, tesco waste their money on shelf arrangements, the type of music being played in shops!, pointless, why does the profession of an abattoir worker exclude them murder juries!.

Most serial killer's are normal quiet oftentimes charismatic well brought up people

If they were grotesque violet monsters all the time people would not spend time with them

My friends is a retired high court local judge and has studied them intensively

In almost all cases just one violent occurrence was enough to make them killers

I'd sooner bring my children up to explore activities involving actual interaction with real breathing people

But you do what suits you

That's ok too

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

If watching violence has no effect on children, why do people worry about children brought up in violent households?... Why worry about anything they see in society, according to you nothing effects themist on tv daily, tesco waste their money on shelf arrangements, the type of music being played in shops!, pointless, why does the profession of an abattoir worker exclude them murder juries!.

This

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By * and LCouple over a year ago

deeside

Please tell me how this is any different from the bullshit people like Mary Whitehouse spouted for years.

Heavy metal music makes people suicidal. Violent films cause people to be violent. Tom & Jerry glorify violence etc

My kids are 9 and 7. There are some things it is better for them not to know about such as teaching children of that age what sexual abuse is. They are actually telling kids about being felt up and touching other people. Why does a child need to know?

My oldest is a very mature and grounded child and understands the difference between cartoon violence and real life. He is also in the top 3 performers in his class!

I have been a gamer since I was 5 so gaming is something we do together the same as playing football or going to the park. I was exposed to violent media from an early age and apart from being a swinger people would class me as normal!

My biggest gripe about this is the way schools seem to think that I, my children's father has no idea what is best for them. I police what my children can and can't do. I take an 18 certificate to mean what it is, an advisory rating not enforced by law. I know my children better than anyone and I know what is right for them and what isn't!

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By *ouplekinkCouple over a year ago

kink town

In almost all cases just one violent occurrence was enough to make them killers

I have no reason to doubt that, but in his 'studies' how many of these violent occurances were video games compared to real incidents?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Video games do not a monster make... Lack of social skills. Which most of the games actually include some degree of.

Many things affect people to make them violent. Its been shown to be highly unlikely to be influenced by fantasy games.

Lack of parental imput.. Lack of socialization, lack of love... Seeing hitting someone as normal life... Or simply being born that way...

The original thing was is it neglect... Not in my books. As what are they neglecting

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

In almost all cases just one violent occurrence was enough to make them killers

I have no reason to doubt that, but in his 'studies' how many of these violent occurances were video games compared to real incidents?

Watching a violent game IS a violent occurrence

Dress it up as a "game" all you need to to justify your opinion

Cars kill people

There's evidence to prove they do

They're not banned are they?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Please tell me how this is any different from the bullshit people like Mary Whitehouse spouted for years.

Heavy metal music makes people suicidal. Violent films cause people to be violent. Tom & Jerry glorify violence etc

My oldest is a very mature and grounded child and understands the difference between cartoon violence and real life. He is also in the top 3 performers in his class!

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So are you saying your 9 year old plays 18r games with you!

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By *ouplekinkCouple over a year ago

kink town

Because they can't distinguish things...

Quite a sweeping statement that, but again it comes down to how they are brought up. My kids can distinguish things because we have taught them right from wrong,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Video games do not a monster make

... Lack of social skills.

Many things affect people to make them violent. "
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No but monsters are encouraged from violent video games.

Slight differences in brain structure make everybody different.

Your taking is that I watched something and I turned out fine, doesn't mean everybody can do it.

The fact of the matter is certain percentages of society have different sociological outlooks!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Parents don't understand games...

I'm actually currently writing a thesis on videogames for my degree which basically revolves around the fact that gamers basically say to those outside 'you don't get it' or 'leave what you don't understand alone'. It's so weird to see someone say it here too.

The fact is, that a parent of a child who is currently 15 or so, almost certainly grew up with computer games themselves.

Parent's aren't that ancient, you know. And about 40 is the age of the average game purchaser, with the age of the average game player only slightly lower.

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By * and LCouple over a year ago

deeside

"Please tell me how this is any different from the bullshit people like Mary Whitehouse spouted for years.

Heavy metal music makes people suicidal. Violent films cause people to be violent. Tom & Jerry glorify violence etc

My oldest is a very mature and grounded child and understands the difference between cartoon violence and real life. He is also in the top 3 performers in his class!

So are you saying your 9 year old plays 18r games with you!"

Yes if the violence or content is cartoonish in nature. Which is what most games are. I am an avid gamer so i know what is in each game. I don't make ignorant choices. Blasting a zombie is hardly true to real life is it! I also don't see how Cod is any different to playing with toy guns or playing cowboys and Indians. We have all played cowboys, has it made any of us go out and slaughter indians?

The trick is in enlightenment and guidance. I as a parent wish to educate my child how I wish, not based on some nanny state guideline.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Because they can't distinguish things...

Quite a sweeping statement that, but again it comes down to how they are brought up. My kids can distinguish things because we have taught them right from wrong,"
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Ive no doubt that Thompson and venerbles parents claimed exactly the same

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Going off some of the logic ive seen in this thread it wouldn't surprise me if people believed

Giving a child a spud gun or a BB gun will have them buying AK47s on the black market

Give a child an 18 game and they'll be in school by day and car jacking by night

Give them seeds to grow some herbs on the kitchen windowsill and they'll have a canabis farm in the attic before you know it !!

A lot of what I've read insults the intelligence of kids in my opinion.

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By *ouplekinkCouple over a year ago

kink town

Watching a violent game IS a violent occurrence

Dress it up as a "game" all you need to to justify your opinion

Cars kill people

There's evidence to prove they do

They're not banned are they?

Cars dont kill people, the drivers do.

Guns dont kill people, the firers do.

Its the human element that kills people whether by accident or by other factors.

If a car is defective and has killed someone it would be recalled and yes probably banned. It it was proved that a violent video game turns people into killers, it would be banned.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What an amazing thread .

So I have 3 kids , 36 , 23 and 21 . All in full time employment , 2 married with kids , none have ever been in trouble with the police , none so drugs and as far as it goes they are perfect adults . And all played 18 rated games and watched 18 rated films long before they were 18 .

And our 7 year old loves halo which is 15 rated , but thinks cod is rubbish as he isn't very good at it .

So the haters can carry on hating , and schools can do what they like but we shan't be censoring our son . And if he grows up to be as grounded as his stepbrothers and sister we will be happy .

The main point is that this is the world we live in , and if kids recognise the difference between fantasy and reality sooner rather than later , they are more likely to grow up happier and more balanced .

That's my theory which has worked so far , other theories are available , and perhaps I've been lucky ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Going off some of the logic ive seen in this thread it wouldn't surprise me if people believed

Giving a child a spud gun or a BB gun will have them buying AK47s on the black market

Give a child an 18 game and they'll be in school by day and car jacking by night

Give them seeds to grow some herbs on the kitchen windowsill and they'll have a canabis farm in the attic before you know it !!

A lot of what I've read insults the intelligence of kids in my opinion. "
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What insults the intelligence is comparing a spud gun to a computer game that graphically depicts rape,murder, stabbing and shooting and actively encourages it!

Next thing you'll be telling me is there's practically no difference between a child in scouts and on the front line in Afghanistan

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

Watching a violent game IS a violent occurrence

Dress it up as a "game" all you need to to justify your opinion

Cars kill people

There's evidence to prove they do

They're not banned are they?

Cars dont kill people, the drivers do.

Guns dont kill people, the firers do.

Its the human element that kills people whether by accident or by other factors.

If a car is defective and has killed someone it would be recalled and yes probably banned. It it was proved that a violent video game turns people into killers, it would be banned. "

Give it time

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My friends son (age 13) plays call of duty and world of Warcraft which are both 18 certificates I believe? From an outsider looking in he is one of the nicest most polite young boys I've ever known, smart as well and technical, can make lasers and weird things, fixes laptops for people as well and charges them!

My daughter is 5 and she's obsessed with bloody minecraft, she plays it in craft mode not survival mode cos when I read about it apparently people can contact and come to your world on survival mode. I tried playing it but don't have a clue but she plays it on her iPad next to me on the sofa so I can see what's going on. Have to limit the amount of time she uses it cos if she had her way she'd play on it morning till night, when I take if off her I'm told I'm mean and that she's bored! These two weeks of school holidays are gonna be fun!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes I am, becuase if it did affect kids there would be lots of evidence out there to back it up, which there isnt.

I'll throw the question back at you, what effect do you think it has? "

Actually, there is quite a bit of research to exactly this effect. It's all in the journals though, so you'll have to pay high subscription fees to access the research.

The problem is the interactivity of video games. When you watch a film it's passive, you can't control the outcome of a situation. When you play a videogame you have to make choices - especially in the more recent games which have very open worlds. You get to make choices about killing people, torturing people, raping people, mutilating people.

The truth is though, that if you've not played a game through yourself, every single part of it, then you just don't know what's in it. For instance what about the fact that many games glamourise sexual violence towards women and make it seem an acceptable part of the world? You then find that boys in school today are more likely to sexually assault their female classmates - who don't recognise it as sexual assault because it's just boys being boys.

Only this week I read a study too on the affect that sexualised female avatars have on young women. They are likely to decrease self-confidence and make them believe that they have to behave more sexually in every day life.

I'm not saying that videogames are bad. Not at all. I love playing videogames. But then I'm also a 30 year old woman who had some life experience. I grew up playing videogames, but my Dad would play anything above my age rating before I was allowed the game - I remember really clearly he played most of Tomb Raider before I was allowed it because it was rated older than I was. I was never allowed an 18 though. Not until I had moved out actually, my Dad didn't want games like that in the house, he just didn't think they were appropriate for *anyone* to be playing, with their often liberal use of hate speech and excessive violence.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

by 2025 any children who have played violent video games will have nervous breakdowns and go on rampaging gun sprees..

you heard it in the daily mail 1st

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

"My friends son (age 13) plays call of duty and world of Warcraft which are both 18 certificates I believe? From an outsider looking in he is one of the nicest most polite young boys I've ever known, smart as well and technical, can make lasers and weird things, fixes laptops for people as well and charges them!

Dr Harold Shipman was grounded well brought up too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Going off some of the logic ive seen in this thread it wouldn't surprise me if people believed

Giving a child a spud gun or a BB gun will have them buying AK47s on the black market

Give a child an 18 game and they'll be in school by day and car jacking by night

Give them seeds to grow some herbs on the kitchen windowsill and they'll have a canabis farm in the attic before you know it !!

A lot of what I've read insults the intelligence of kids in my opinion. .

What insults the intelligence is comparing a spud gun to a computer game that graphically depicts rape,murder, stabbing and shooting and actively encourages it!

Next thing you'll be telling me is there's practically no difference between a child in scouts and on the front line in Afghanistan

I never compared anything

I'm simply expressing an opinion that people completely over react and feel the need to wrap kids in a layer of cotton wool.

But what do I know I don't have kids and don't plan to have any.

And as we all know there were no violent murders before the video games and films were around so it must be them that's causing these sudden acts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This thread is bizarre, so many irrelevant and left field points popping up.

If your child is a fucked up little shit.

He will be a fucked up little shit.

In COD Mod 2, I turned a gun on an airport, I must have been 14. The next day I woke up and had cereal and went to play badminton. No killer had arisen in me.

It might have in someone else, but you can't tailor media for the minority of special little snowflakes that can't differentiate media from real life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Watching a violent game IS a violent occurrence

Dress it up as a "game" all you need to to justify your opinion

Cars kill people

There's evidence to prove they do

They're not banned are they?

Cars dont kill people, the drivers do.

Guns dont kill people, the firers do.

Its the human element that kills people whether by accident or by other factors.

If a car is defective and has killed someone it would be recalled and yes probably banned. It it was proved that a violent video game turns people into killers, it would be banned.

Give it time

Never going to happen.

Doom was blamed for causing a lad to kill people. You can still buy that game.

Do you actually play games?

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

The plot of the andes plane crash was well grounded well brought up

Its actually no proof that the violence in video won't turn them into violent people

No evidence whatsoever

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Please tell me how this is any different from the bullshit people like Mary Whitehouse spouted for years.

Heavy metal music makes people suicidal. Violent films cause people to be violent. Tom & Jerry glorify violence etc

My oldest is a very mature and grounded child and understands the difference between cartoon violence and real life. He is also in the top 3 performers in his class!

You can't have it both ways. Schools are either being damned for not taking enough responsibility, not reporting enough, not taking enough of a role in bringing up children; or they're being told to butt out, that they're nannying people and parents know best. So which is it?

This is the last thing most teachers want, most of them have enough on their plates without having to get involved in this kind of shit.

But if, like my husband, they're going to be judged and the school is going to be judged against the results that kid is achieving - and that child stays up all night playing video games - I think they've got a right to tell the parents to pull their finger out and look after their children properly. But that may be another thread entirely.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This isn't aimed at anyone personally but

When people keep saying, mines brilliant,mines intelligent, mines grounded etc etc.

I think you'll find that the German pilots friends and relatives said exactly the same!

They said the same about nearly all serial killers, in fact serial killers usually out perform the average because their brains are slightly wired differently!

This notion that I watched it and I turned out fine is like saying my Grandad smoked all his life and he lived till he was 88 so smoking must be fine.... I know dozens of people that take drugs and have a job and a wife and a life and they don't nick things out peoples sheds but that don't mean everybody will turn out like that!!.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I agree these games should t be played by children, but schools should spend more time focusing on education

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

Watching a violent game IS a violent occurrence

Dress it up as a "game" all you need to to justify your opinion

Cars kill people

There's evidence to prove they do

They're not banned are they?

Cars dont kill people, the drivers do.

Guns dont kill people, the firers do.

Its the human element that kills people whether by accident or by other factors.

If a car is defective and has killed someone it would be recalled and yes probably banned. It it was proved that a violent video game turns people into killers, it would be banned.

Give it time

Never going to happen.

Doom was blamed for causing a lad to kill people. You can still buy that game.

Do you actually play games?"

I don't associate myself with violent activities full stop

But I've gotta lot of younger friends of my children and grandchildren who do so it's nieve of you to assume that because I didn't play them, I'm ignorant about them

That's not the case

Children need guidance

Quite simply those not doing this are negligent and there's nothing anyone can do to change my opinion sorry

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Dr Harold Shipman was grounded well brought up too

Oh god! Right from my own experience, my knowledge, the facts that I have access to. I work in a cat B all male adult prison. There's rapists, murderers, drug dealers, paedophiles you name it. Say I have 50 people that have killed someone, when I read their files some would have watched violent films, grown up in violent homes some won't. Some even have what looks like to have been the perfect upbringing, intelligent, done well in school, they still kill or rape.

My friends son likes the games because of the stradegy involved, he's also a cadet for the RAF, he's what's called a big brother in his secondary school, means that people in the 1st and 2nd year below him can go to him if they have any problems, bullying or something. He's a lovely kid. I can't see him being the next Harold shipman.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree these games should t be played by children, but schools should spend more time focusing on education"

I'm sure they'd love to. Most teachers went into teaching to teach, not to be social workers. Which is why I come back to it being the parents' responsibility, whether they're taking the credit for a nice well-mannered high achieving child or shouldering the blame for a nasty little shit with no social skills.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This isn't aimed at anyone personally but

When people keep saying, mines brilliant,mines intelligent, mines grounded etc etc.

I think you'll find that the German pilots friends and relatives said exactly the same!

They said the same about nearly all serial killers, in fact serial killers usually out perform the average because their brains are slightly wired differently!

I guess as we are smokers too a meet is out of the question ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Going off some of the logic ive seen in this thread it wouldn't surprise me if people believed

Giving a child a spud gun or a BB gun will have them buying AK47s on the black market

Give a child an 18 game and they'll be in school by day and car jacking by night

Give them seeds to grow some herbs on the kitchen windowsill and they'll have a canabis farm in the attic before you know it !!

A lot of what I've read insults the intelligence of kids in my opinion. .

What insults the intelligence is comparing a spud gun to a computer game that graphically depicts rape,murder, stabbing and shooting and actively encourages it!

Next thing you'll be telling me is there's practically no difference between a child in scouts and on the front line in Afghanistan

I never compared anything

I'm simply expressing an opinion that people completely over react and feel the need to wrap kids in a layer of cotton wool.

But what do I know I don't have kids and don't plan to have any.

And as we all know there were no violent murders before the video games and films were around so it must be them that's causing these sudden acts.

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IT'S NOT CAUSE AND EFFECT.....

IT'S NORMALISING THE ABNORMAL TO A YOUNG BRAIN THAT MIGHT BE WIRED WRONG.

Ps has anyone had their child psychiatricly evaluated recently....

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

Dr Harold Shipman was grounded well brought up too

I can't see him being the next Harold shipman. "

Nor did Shipmans parents too be objective

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Spot on! Schools are temporarily in charge of kids parents permanently. It's their responsibility.

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By *ozzy87Man over a year ago

Crawley

If anything study after study has shown that playing video games isn't that bad for kids. As long as they're not too violent or sexualised.

As games have gotten more popular violence in society has gone down. There seems to be a direct correlation between the 2.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyway, I'm more a Nintendo fan.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Watching a violent game IS a violent occurrence

Dress it up as a "game" all you need to to justify your opinion

Cars kill people

There's evidence to prove they do

They're not banned are they?

Cars dont kill people, the drivers do.

Guns dont kill people, the firers do.

Its the human element that kills people whether by accident or by other factors.

If a car is defective and has killed someone it would be recalled and yes probably banned. It it was proved that a violent video game turns people into killers, it would be banned.

Give it time

Never going to happen.

Doom was blamed for causing a lad to kill people. You can still buy that game.

Do you actually play games?

I don't associate myself with violent activities full stop

But I've gotta lot of younger friends of my children and grandchildren who do so it's nieve of you to assume that because I didn't play them, I'm ignorant about them

That's not the case

Children need guidance

Quite simply those not doing this are negligent and there's nothing anyone can do to change my opinion sorry

So do you read an actual re_iew or something in the daily fail or mumsnet?

You know that there's way worse on the internet right? Real people doing real things?

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By * and LCouple over a year ago

deeside

"Please tell me how this is any different from the bullshit people like Mary Whitehouse spouted for years.

Heavy metal music makes people suicidal. Violent films cause people to be violent. Tom & Jerry glorify violence etc

My oldest is a very mature and grounded child and understands the difference between cartoon violence and real life. He is also in the top 3 performers in his class!

This is the last thing most teachers want, most of them have enough on their plates without having to get involved in this kind of shit.

I would rather they butt out of most things tbh. Schools also send out mixed messages. Every day at my child's school parents are asked to send in a snack. They ban cereal bars because they are unhealthy but then serve pizza and chips for lunch!

I completely agree that the school should intervene if they feel that any part of the child's life is having a detrimental affect on their education. Staying up late etc. That though is not what we are talking about here as you say.

This is about over zealous censorship. Most people who commit the worst of crimes usually suffer from a personality disorder or mental illness. Neither of which is caused by computer games.

This school has overstepped the mark as far as I'm concerned. I also take my family to watch Everton as season ticket holders. They are subjected to some vile comments from various other "fans". Do the schools want to ban that as well?

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By *ouplekinkCouple over a year ago

kink town

The most eye opening thing about this thread, especially considering the site we are part of, is the judging. If you dont let them play these games thats your choice, but apparently, if you do, you're a bad parent and neglect your chidren.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Taking your kids to watch Everton is horrendous!

Sorry couldn't resist

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

"The most eye opening thing about this thread, especially considering the site we are part of, is the judging. If you dont let them play these games thats your choice, but apparently, if you do, you're a bad parent and neglect your chidren.

It's my opinion

It's not me judging you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If anything study after study has shown that playing video games isn't that bad for kids. As long as they're not too violent or sexualised.

As games have gotten more popular violence in society has gone down. There seems to be a direct correlation between the 2."
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The only correlation I see is that people who played violent games think it's OK to let kids shoot, stab, mame, rape and murder in a computer game because it's just a game. But as I've pointed out it normalises the abnormal.

Which normal person who hasn't been subjected to this would think... You know what I fancy doing, raping and stabbing some woman to death and nicking her car in a computer game.

Me I have no fucking wish whatsoever to do any of that shit even in a computer game because it's fucking weird wanting too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Please tell me how this is any different from the bullshit people like Mary Whitehouse spouted for years.

Heavy metal music makes people suicidal. Violent films cause people to be violent. Tom & Jerry glorify violence etc

My oldest is a very mature and grounded child and understands the difference between cartoon violence and real life. He is also in the top 3 performers in his class!

This is the last thing most teachers want, most of them have enough on their plates without having to get involved in this kind of shit.

This is about over zealous censorship. Most people who commit the worst of crimes usually suffer from a personality disorder or mental illness. Neither of which is caused by computer games.

I believe the school in question did it in response to government suggestions that teachers could be held personally responsible (up to 5 years in prison) for failing to report any child welfare concerns.

As I said, schools are damned if they do and they're damned if they don't. I think they should butt out too - but they should be allowed to butt out and there should be a general acceptance that it's the responsibility for parents to raise their children (or not, as the case may be).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can't see him being the next Harold shipman.

Nor did Shipmans parents too be objective "

Firstly it's to not too, secondly did you fancy Harold shipman? There's plenty of other people you can use as an example if you like crimes within the medical profession you can use Beverly Allitt, she used to kill babies, Jane Toppan, Michael Swango to name a few, all doctors and nurses, all educated. Most done the crimes before the age of video games and graphic violent films, what were their excuses?

You can't say that just because someone has seen something violent it's going to fuck them up.

For every one person that commits a crime after witnessing something violent be it video game or film there's a thousand people that won't.

In the case of the opening post I don't think it's the games as such I think it's more to do with the fact that the parents could let the kid play games all day and night with no interaction with anybody.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can't remember the last time I raped someone on a game.

In fact, I never have.

I'd had sex with prostitutes. And I let them live because they've got to earn a living.

I've had sex with aliens and demons and everything inbetween on games.

But I've never raped anyone.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

"If anything study after study has shown that playing video games isn't that bad for kids. As long as they're not too violent or sexualised.

As games have gotten more popular violence in society has gone down. There seems to be a direct correlation between the 2..

Which normal person who hasn't been subjected to this would think... You know what I fancy doing, raping and stabbing some woman to death and nicking her car in a computer game.

Me I have no fucking wish whatsoever to do any of that shit even in a computer game because it's fucking weird wanting too"

This

it's sick

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

http://www.wired.com/2011/02/rape-videogames-carole-lieberman/

Again people are talking about games as if they are not an art form like movies etc.

The data just is not there to prove negativity. Almost anyone who has posted on the thread so far has said they will monitor their children. Plenty of children go out to 'play' and cause havoc in many ways...none of it related to games.

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By *ouplekinkCouple over a year ago

kink town

It's my opinion

It's not me judging you

To say you think its wrong is your opinion. To then go on and say that those who allow them to play these games are neglecting their kids, is judging.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So the actual reports in the papers say that 14 out of the 15 schools that sent letters out were primary schools.

I think there's very few people who believe that children under 11 should be playing games containing extreme violence or sexualised content.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

It's my opinion

It's not me judging you

To say you think its wrong is your opinion. To then go on and say that those who allow them to play these games are neglecting their kids, is judging."

No its not

My sub friend whose ass I'm spanking in my photos has 5 kids

They use violent games

I'm not judging anyone

Saying quite simply I think it's neglect that's all

Friends disagree on many issues

Well the ones I have do and it's not judging to have a difference of opinion!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So the actual reports in the papers say that 14 out of the 15 schools that sent letters out were primary schools.

I think there's very few people who believe that children under 11 should be playing games containing extreme violence or sexualised content."

timmy, what did you do last nite?

I played cod

lizzy what did you do last nite?

I was twerking to miley cyrus

I know what'll make the paper...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So the actual reports in the papers say that 14 out of the 15 schools that sent letters out were primary schools.

I think there's very few people who believe that children under 11 should be playing games containing extreme violence or sexualised content."

The stuff that I'd seen and read under the age of 10 is ridiculous. My gran used to buy me the worlds worst crimes, murders and disaster books, I was obsessed with history and read things about the Romans about auschwitz, anything macabre I was all over it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So the actual reports in the papers say that 14 out of the 15 schools that sent letters out were primary schools.

I think there's very few people who believe that children under 11 should be playing games containing extreme violence or sexualised content.

And by the age of 12 I'd found extreme violent porn on the internet and was forced into seeing a shrink. Not everyone reacts the same way. You can't say 'because I was alright, everyone else would be alright'.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I buy my 16yr old son beer & let him play 18yr old video games. Not when he was younger but when did any of us do things when it was age appropriate?

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By * and LCouple over a year ago

deeside

"So the actual reports in the papers say that 14 out of the 15 schools that sent letters out were primary schools.

I think there's very few people who believe that children under 11 should be playing games containing extreme violence or sexualised content.

The same way you can't say violent games make violent kids!

Alcohol affects a minority in a bad way. Should it be blanket banned because of that?

People get too involved in trivial things that really don't matter. Because it happens to one it might happen to all just doesn't wash for me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I buy my 16yr old son beer & let him play 18yr old video games. Not when he was younger but when did any of us do things when it was age appropriate?"

Before I was 16 we used to hang around shops on a Friday and Saturday night and ask people to go in and buy us mad dog and white lightening! I'd be mortified if my daughter did that. If she wanted a drink with friends at age 16 I'd rather get it myself and have them all in my home than her do what we used to do as kids. Some people would say that's irresponsible but if she's gonna do it I'd rather it be on my watch.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So the actual reports in the papers say that 14 out of the 15 schools that sent letters out were primary schools.

I think there's very few people who believe that children under 11 should be playing games containing extreme violence or sexualised content.

they would be if their parents set some limitations no?- finding porn on the internet at that age...and by the sound of it, finding it repeatedly does not sound the same a parent letting their kid play violent video games, I doubt any kid would need to rush hiding their gaming.

two different worlds in my opinion

and to be honest, video game sex, has always been around...illegally more so...hmmm bedroom olympics was one.

I think the GTA sex stuff is pointless and very puerile and a bit sad. though in heavy rain, I thought it was all very well done.

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By *ozzy87Man over a year ago

Crawley

"If anything study after study has shown that playing video games isn't that bad for kids. As long as they're not too violent or sexualised.

As games have gotten more popular violence in society has gone down. There seems to be a direct correlation between the 2..

Which normal person who hasn't been subjected to this would think... You know what I fancy doing, raping and stabbing some woman to death and nicking her car in a computer game.

Me I have no fucking wish whatsoever to do any of that shit even in a computer game because it's fucking weird wanting too"

Actually no it doesn't "normalise" any of these things. That's just a stereotype with basis in fact. as I said studies have proven that the negative things associated with gaming are nothing more than stereotypes made up by people who don't get video games.

It's seen as ok to let them play because we can distinguish between games and real life. Watching various violence in cartoons doesn't make kids violent because thy know it isn't real.

Some games like Minecraft are actually used in schools to help treat kids with autism. there are charities like Games Aid that use video games to help disabled children. Video games help in other areas as well, increasing hand eye coordination, spacial awareness and intelligence in some cases.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've played video games for years and they have never affected me. I was explaining this to my kids, Mario, Luigi and Zelda this morning.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've played video games for years and they have never affected me. I was explaining this to my kids, Mario, Luigi and Zelda this morning.

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By *ozzy87Man over a year ago

Crawley

"I've played video games for years and they have never affected me. I was explaining this to my kids, Mario, Luigi and Zelda this morning.

lol

Robin Williams named 1 of his daughters Zelda.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If anything study after study has shown that playing video games isn't that bad for kids. As long as they're not too violent or sexualised.

As games have gotten more popular violence in society has gone down. There seems to be a direct correlation between the 2..

Which normal person who hasn't been subjected to this would think... You know what I fancy doing, raping and stabbing some woman to death and nicking her car in a computer game.

Me I have no fucking wish whatsoever to do any of that shit even in a computer game because it's fucking weird wanting too

It's seen as ok to let them play because we can distinguish between games and real life. Watching various violence in cartoons doesn't make kids violent because thy know it isn't real.

Your taking about educational games, a completely different thing to what we've been talking about, pay attention to the conversation at least.

It is abnormal to want to kill and Rape women even in video games, if you can't see that I suggest you've been exposed to long

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By *ozzy87Man over a year ago

Crawley

"If anything study after study has shown that playing video games isn't that bad for kids. As long as they're not too violent or sexualised.

As games have gotten more popular violence in society has gone down. There seems to be a direct correlation between the 2..

Which normal person who hasn't been subjected to this would think... You know what I fancy doing, raping and stabbing some woman to death and nicking her car in a computer game.

Me I have no fucking wish whatsoever to do any of that shit even in a computer game because it's fucking weird wanting too

It's seen as ok to let them play because we can distinguish between games and real life. Watching various violence in cartoons doesn't make kids violent because thy know it isn't real.

Your taking about educational games, a completely different thing to what we've been talking about, pay attention to the conversation at least.

It is abnormal to want to kill and Rape women even in video games, if you can't see that I suggest you've been exposed to long"

Educational games or no they still don't negatively affect people.

No I haven't been"exposed to long" I just know what I'm talking about. You do know there are no games that allow a player to rape women right?

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By *ouplekinkCouple over a year ago

kink town

It is abnormal to want to kill and Rape women even in video games, if you can't see that I suggest you've been exposed to long"

You do know that you can kill in minecraft? And please can you list the games which contain rape.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've played video games for years and they have never affected me. I was explaining this to my kids, Mario, Luigi and Zelda this morning.

lol

Robin Williams named 1 of his daughters Zelda. "

Oh yeah, forgot about that lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No I haven't been"exposed to long" I just know what I'm talking about. You do know there are no games that allow a player to rape women right? "

There are games that allow you to not step in and prevent rape. You can choose to allow a woman to be raped.