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"Kinda following on from my door knockers topic... For the 1st time in my voting life, I have absolutely no idea who to vote for. Last time I voted Lib Dems, and that turned out well. Anyone else undecided?" Yes, me. They're all as bad as each other. | |||
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"Kinda following on from my door knockers topic... For the 1st time in my voting life, I have absolutely no idea who to vote for. Last time I voted Lib Dems, and that turned out well. Anyone else undecided? Yes, me. They're all as bad as each other." ya dammed if you do and dammed if you dont | |||
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"Last time I voted for the person I thought was the best candidate for the area rather than for the party. That didn't work out well either." I vote for the best local one too. I have to vote because everyone should vote so I make myself. Even though in reality it's pointless. | |||
"Green party for me. At least they give a shit about protecting something, unlike all the other parties who think it's ok to destroy everything at EU and international limits."  | |||
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"I'll be voting lib dem as our local mp has actual done quite well for our community. I may not get the government I want but at least I'll possibly have an mp I like representing me in it." He has hasn't he. He seems to genuinely care. | |||
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"I'll be voting lib dem as our local mp has actual done quite well for our community. I may not get the government I want but at least I'll possibly have an mp I like representing me in it. He has hasn't he. He seems to genuinely care." Indeed he does. Even before he got elected I'd see him in the community more than the previous conservative guy. Don't think I ever saw the previous guy. Heard the Tory doesn't even live in the Eastbourne area. | |||
"The people saying that they will vote for the Greens.. Have you actually read their policies???"
Wannabe communists who would send us back to the dark ages the green party are. | |||
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"Green party for me. At least they give a shit about protecting something, unlike all the other parties who think it's ok to destroy everything at EU and international limits." The Greens will destroy the economy of this country by introducing concepts such as free money for everyone in order to make working less important. This according to recent television and radio interviews. Good luck with that idea. | |||
"I just cant bring myself to vote for Dave the liar or that prat Ed. Sorry but they don't trust them one bit so will probably swing to another party for first time ever. What ever the result were all fucked for next 3 years or so and its just going to be one big mess who ever gets to number 10. "How are we fucked? Britain is working, we have recovered from the recession and have the best performing economy in Europe. Last year, more jobs were created in Britain than the whole of the EU. | |||
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"I just cant bring myself to vote for Dave the liar or that prat Ed. Sorry but they don't trust them one bit so will probably swing to another party for first time ever. What ever the result were all fucked for next 3 years or so and its just going to be one big mess who ever gets to number 10.
How are we fucked? Britain is working, we have recovered from the recession and have the best performing economy in Europe. Last year, more jobs were created in Britain than the whole of the EU.
"another reason to withdraw from Europe then. The more Britain works and the less the rest of Europe works, the more we"ll have to pay Europe, and the less we'll have in our pockets for all our hard work. | |||
"Kinda following on from my door knockers topic... For the 1st time in my voting life, I have absolutely no idea who to vote for. Last time I voted Lib Dems, and that turned out well. Anyone else undecided?" All my adult life I've voted labour. As a full time trade union officer I couldn't bring myself to vote labour last time and voted Lib Dems...what a waste...This time around I haven't a clue. My other half has no such worries: he's voting ukip. | |||
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" How are we fucked? Britain is working, we have recovered from the recession and have the best performing economy in Europe. Last year, more jobs were created in Britain than the whole of the EU. " Totally agree and part of the reason we will be voting conservative this election. | |||
"Reality is there's really only the 2 options - conservative or labour. A vote for any other party feels like a wasted vote to me as they'll never get the majority. I know which box I'll be ticking " And so with that thinking, it goes on and on and on. Vote with your heart. | |||
" How are we fucked? Britain is working, we have recovered from the recession and have the best performing economy in Europe. Last year, more jobs were created in Britain than the whole of the EU. Totally agree and part of the reason we will be voting conservative this election. " Those jobs are not real jobs ( to someone who actually us looking for work and needs fulltime work). They are a fiddle. Its as plain as the nose on Cameron's massive shiny face. | |||
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"The people saying that they will vote for the Greens.. Have you actually read their policies???
Wannabe communists who would send us back to the dark ages the green party are.".... You can be taken back slowly and under control or you can be thrown back by circumstances. Either way your going back, that's not the fault of a party! | |||
"Green party for me. At least they give a shit about protecting something, unlike all the other parties who think it's ok to destroy everything at EU and international limits. The Greens will destroy the economy of this country by introducing concepts such as free money for everyone in order to make working less important. This according to recent television and radio interviews. Good luck with that idea." .... Haha that really made me laugh, you being disgusted by the greens giving away free money to working people.... Yeah that's totally at odds to the Tories who've been giving away free money (QE 350 billion) to rich people for five years!. | |||
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"I just cant bring myself to vote for Dave the liar or that prat Ed. Sorry but they don't trust them one bit so will probably swing to another party for first time ever. What ever the result were all fucked for next 3 years or so and its just going to be one big mess who ever gets to number 10.
How are we fucked? Britain is working, we have recovered from the recession and have the best performing economy in Europe. Last year, more jobs were created in Britain than the whole of the EU.
". Answer me one question and I'll vote Tory. Exactly how do you (Tories) expect to pay off the largest debt in Europe 1.5 trillion. Dave and George have spent more money in five years then labour spent in ten. In fact you've spent 800 billion to get 35 billion of GDP growth. That doesn't sound like a genius idea. Now bearing in mind your hatred of taxs, what the Tories have actually done is promise a massive share of future tax revenues for a bit of growth today.... And I would add that most of that growth has gone to the hands of the richest 1% | |||
"Must be a hard decision. Vote for the party that brought the country to it's knees between 1997-2010 OR the party that rescued it and is now showing the way for the rest of Europe and the world? Bit of a no brainer me thinks. Can't imagine that the majority of sane people shall be suffering mass amnesia and have blocked out the near catastrophic crisis we were facing when Mr Cameron came into office to pick up the pieces. Blue is the colour ". It depends whether your economically illiterate or just read the headlines in the sun! | |||
"Folk who do not vote can have no grounds for complaint at all." i think we do ... its a democratic society... so we have the choice not to. .. i think there is a general uneasy with whats on offer and people will revolt if pushed to far...whats point in voting for example if no party can keepthe nhs in tact... need to do our little bit locally... | |||
"I just cant bring myself to vote for Dave the liar or that prat Ed. Sorry but they don't trust them one bit so will probably swing to another party for first time ever. What ever the result were all fucked for next 3 years or so and its just going to be one big mess who ever gets to number 10.
How are we fucked? Britain is working, we have recovered from the recession and have the best performing economy in Europe. Last year, more jobs were created in Britain than the whole of the EU.
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Answer me one question and I'll vote Tory.
Exactly how do you (Tories) expect to pay off the largest debt in Europe 1.5 trillion.
Dave and George have spent more money in five years then labour spent in ten.
In fact you've spent 800 billion to get 35 billion of GDP growth. That doesn't sound like a genius idea.
Now bearing in mind your hatred of taxs, what the Tories have actually done is promise a massive share of future tax revenues for a bit of growth today.... And I would add that most of that growth has gone to the hands of the richest 1%"That maybe due to the payday loans the Labour party left us with... Wouldn't even be so bad if they would say sorry we made mistakes but we have learned.... Instead they spent 13 years in power blaming the Tories and now had 5 years in opposition blaming the Tories... You have to take responsibility for your actions, one thing Labour can't do... | |||
"Must be a hard decision. Vote for the party that brought the country to it's knees between 1997-2010 OR the party that rescued it and is now showing the way for the rest of Europe and the world? Bit of a no brainer me thinks. Can't imagine that the majority of sane people shall be suffering mass amnesia and have blocked out the near catastrophic crisis we were facing when Mr Cameron came into office to pick up the pieces. Blue is the colour .
It depends whether your economically illiterate or just read the headlines in the sun!"The questions I would ask are: 1) Why did the UK increase borrowing under the Labour govt through to 2008 when we had a period of highly favourable economic conditions, there should have been a balanced budget at the very least and probably a surplus during a booming period. 2) To what extent has the Tory increase in the debt burden been the result of what was inherited as opposed to what was determined post election. 3) Would the UK be in a better or worse situation had the 2010 Labour election manifesto been implemented rather than what we have seen. 4) What are the real spending plans of both main parties for the coming next 5 years, as neither Miliband or Cameron seem to be keen to tell us the truth. | |||
"Folk who do not vote can have no grounds for complaint at all. i think we do ... its a democratic society... so we have the choice not to. .. i think there is a general uneasy with whats on offer and people will revolt if pushed to far...whats point in voting for example if no party can keepthe nhs in tact... need to do our little bit locally..." I agree with the "if you don't vote, you can't moan" comment. If you don't like the options, go to the voting station and spoil your paper. | |||
"Must be a hard decision. Vote for the party that brought the country to it's knees between 1997-2010 OR the party that rescued it and is now showing the way for the rest of Europe and the world? Bit of a no brainer me thinks. Can't imagine that the majority of sane people shall be suffering mass amnesia and have blocked out the near catastrophic crisis we were facing when Mr Cameron came into office to pick up the pieces. Blue is the colour .
It depends whether your economically illiterate or just read the headlines in the sun!
The questions I would ask are:
1) Why did the UK increase borrowing under the Labour govt through to 2008 when we had a period of highly favourable economic conditions, there should have been a balanced budget at the very least and probably a surplus during a booming period.
2) To what extent has the Tory increase in the debt burden been the result of what was inherited as opposed to what was determined post election.
3) Would the UK be in a better or worse situation had the 2010 Labour election manifesto been implemented rather than what we have seen.
4) What are the real spending plans of both main parties for the coming next 5 years, as neither Miliband or Cameron seem to be keen to tell us the truth.". I would say 1 labour spent massively on infrastructure during that period, take a look at how most schools were improved, west coast main line, social housing, inner cities. That's not to say they didn't squander an awful lot as they did that also. 2 nobody forced George to borrow like billyho, he could actually going down the line of austerity for all. 3 I don't think we'd have been any different today, whether labour or tories were in. 4 there'll never tell you, if they did there'd turn into the green party. Were in a real big mess economically and the last five years have just postponed the inevitable which is tackling the root and branch problems of our service driven, debt laden, crazy growth needed, finance driven stupid economy which for the last 40 years has seeked to transfer money from the poor to the wealthy at an even more stupid rate than it already did before that. | |||
"Folk who do not vote can have no grounds for complaint at all. i think we do ... its a democratic society... so we have the choice not to. .. i think there is a general uneasy with whats on offer and people will revolt if pushed to far...whats point in voting for example if no party can keepthe nhs in tact... need to do our little bit locally..." . I think you've actually got more right to complain because you didn't vote in the incompetent twats we've had in power for the last 40 years. I think the people who voted Tory/labour should hang their heads in shame for being gullible easily bribed mugs | |||
" I agree with the "if you don't vote, you can't moan" comment. If you don't like the options, go to the voting station and spoil your paper. " this...... I know that a donkey would win in my constinuency if it wore a red rosette... but the point is that i am still part of the process.... | |||
" I agree with the "if you don't vote, you can't moan" comment. If you don't like the options, go to the voting station and spoil your paper. this...... I know that a donkey would win in my constinuency if it wore a red rosette... but the point is that i am still part of the process...." . Part of the process or part of the problem. Unlike the US we actually have more than two parties in this country!.  | |||
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"It's been hot on the beach today in Spain... I suggest everyone builds up their own carbon footprint by taking lots of holidays. Make the carbon footprint as large as possible whilst watching the Green eco stormtroopers froth at the mouth and scream hysterically at the madness of daring to live your life. As for the undecided voters. Choose what is right for you. Be selfish. " . That type of talk used to make me mad,years ago Now it just makes me sigh | |||
"Reality is there's really only the 2 options - conservative or labour. A vote for any other party feels like a wasted vote to me as they'll never get the majority. I know which box I'll be ticking " A reasonably fair comment, but personally, I feel that this is much more a case of propaganda by the larger parties. After all, if all voters voted for the candidates they wanted from the smaller parties, then they would stand a better chance of securing a majority. Interestingly, if we go back just 100 years, the two major parties were the Conservatives and the Liberals. Labour was a minority party - but look at them now - and compare that to what is currently happening with UKIP. I'm not a supporter of UKIP - or Labour for that matter - but you'd have to agree that UKIP are fast becoming a major force in British Politics. It has been a similar story for the SNP in Scotland. | |||
"It's been hot on the beach today in Spain... I suggest everyone builds up their own carbon footprint by taking lots of holidays. Make the carbon footprint as large as possible whilst watching the Green eco stormtroopers froth at the mouth and scream hysterically at the madness of daring to live your life. As for the undecided voters. Choose what is right for you. Be selfish. . That type of talk used to make me mad,years ago Now it just makes me sigh "The problem is that the nouveau eco worriers (yes worriers) think that they have any monopoly about worrying for the future and that no one has done so before them. The fact is that mankind has done very well over thousands of years by adapting to change. The consequential result is that decade on decade our lives improve despite the previous generations worrying that things would be much worse in the future. The Green and socialist mantra relies heavily on the need to create fear about the future and induce feelings of guilt. The reality is that as humans our dna is programmed to make us successful and no amount of scaremongering will alter that. It may get displaced momentarily in people who can be influenced, but unfortunately there is no stopping nature. | |||
"Reality is there's really only the 2 options - conservative or labour. A vote for any other party feels like a wasted vote to me as they'll never get the majority. I know which box I'll be ticking A reasonably fair comment, but personally, I feel that this is much more a case of propaganda by the larger parties. After all, if all voters voted for the candidates they wanted from the smaller parties, then they would stand a better chance of securing a majority. Interestingly, if we go back just 100 years, the two major parties were the Conservatives and the Liberals. Labour was a minority party - but look at them now - and compare that to what is currently happening with UKIP. I'm not a supporter of UKIP - or Labour for that matter - but you'd have to agree that UKIP are fast becoming a major force in British Politics. It has been a similar story for the SNP in Scotland. " I read an interesting article recently about how voters who were once divided solely on political doctrine, now they are more divided on social issues. No one could realistically expect a traditional labour supporter to vote UKIP but it is happening because a percentage of Labour voters feel a sense of betrayal by Labour and their patriotic values compromised. They feel that patriotic values are more important than their socialist values and so vote UKIP. If you look at attitudes on social media you will notice that as our society has dumbed down the political landscape is now less about politics and more about social issues. | |||
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"It's been hot on the beach today in Spain... I suggest everyone builds up their own carbon footprint by taking lots of holidays. Make the carbon footprint as large as possible whilst watching the Green eco stormtroopers froth at the mouth and scream hysterically at the madness of daring to live your life. As for the undecided voters. Choose what is right for you. Be selfish. . That type of talk used to make me mad,years ago Now it just makes me sigh
The problem is that the nouveau eco worriers (yes worriers) think that they have any monopoly about worrying for the future and that no one has done so before them. The fact is that mankind has done very well over thousands of years by adapting to change.
The consequential result is that decade on decade our lives improve despite the previous generations worrying that things would be much worse in the future.
The Green and socialist mantra relies heavily on the need to create fear about the future and induce feelings of guilt. The reality is that as humans our dna is programmed to make us successful and no amount of scaremongering will alter that. It may get displaced momentarily in people who can be influenced, but unfortunately there is no stopping nature.
". We didn't actually do that well decade on decade though, you really do make things up to suit your outlook of life, I'm still struggling on whether you genuinely believe what you say, or you just make things up!. So let's take this notion that humans get better decade on decade!. The Greeks were more educated and advanced than the uk was in 1500 so for 1600 years we got worse not better!. The advancements you perceive generally come from the industrial age and these mostly from the extraction of cheap energy coal this was a slow advancement of 200 years until we found oil and from that technological advancement took off on a graph like a hockey stick, which funnily enough so did c02 in the atmosphere. Now as any scientist will tell you, only an economist or an idiot thinks you can have perpetual growth on a finite planet. With our without the green party or environmentalists, sooner or later your going to have to go backwards! | |||
"It's been hot on the beach today in Spain... I suggest everyone builds up their own carbon footprint by taking lots of holidays. Make the carbon footprint as large as possible whilst watching the Green eco stormtroopers froth at the mouth and scream hysterically at the madness of daring to live your life. As for the undecided voters. Choose what is right for you. Be selfish. . That type of talk used to make me mad,years ago Now it just makes me sigh
The problem is that the nouveau eco worriers (yes worriers) think that they have any monopoly about worrying for the future and that no one has done so before them. The fact is that mankind has done very well over thousands of years by adapting to change.
The consequential result is that decade on decade our lives improve despite the previous generations worrying that things would be much worse in the future.
The Green and socialist mantra relies heavily on the need to create fear about the future and induce feelings of guilt. The reality is that as humans our dna is programmed to make us successful and no amount of scaremongering will alter that. It may get displaced momentarily in people who can be influenced, but unfortunately there is no stopping nature.
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We didn't actually do that well decade on decade though, you really do make things up to suit your outlook of life, I'm still struggling on whether you genuinely believe what you say, or you just make things up!.
So let's take this notion that humans get better decade on decade!.
The Greeks were more educated and advanced than the uk was in 1500 so for 1600 years we got worse not better!.
The advancements you perceive generally come from the industrial age and these mostly from the extraction of cheap energy coal this was a slow advancement of 200 years until we found oil and from that technological advancement took off on a graph like a hockey stick, which funnily enough so did c02 in the atmosphere.
Now as any scientist will tell you, only an economist or an idiot thinks you can have perpetual growth on a finite planet.
With our without the green party or environmentalists, sooner or later your going to have to go backwards!"I think we just need to agree to disagree as there is nothing whatsoever that you could say that would change my opinion. Forty hears of very hard work and an absolute belief in the concept of reward for effort has provided well for me and my family. Barring tragic accidents, illnesses and disease, we all live the lives that we deserve and we can all change our own lives tomorrow for the better if we choose to do so. I don't want or need interfering politicians telling me how to live my life, but unfortunately it is necessary to some degree. Bearing that in mind, I prefer less intrusion than more and therefore lean more to the right than the left. The concept of ever greater government intrusion into daily living is not something that I could cope with very well. | |||
"It's been hot on the beach today in Spain... I suggest everyone builds up their own carbon footprint by taking lots of holidays. Make the carbon footprint as large as possible whilst watching the Green eco stormtroopers froth at the mouth and scream hysterically at the madness of daring to live your life. As for the undecided voters. Choose what is right for you. Be selfish. . That type of talk used to make me mad,years ago Now it just makes me sigh
The problem is that the nouveau eco worriers (yes worriers) think that they have any monopoly about worrying for the future and that no one has done so before them. The fact is that mankind has done very well over thousands of years by adapting to change.
The consequential result is that decade on decade our lives improve despite the previous generations worrying that things would be much worse in the future.
The Green and socialist mantra relies heavily on the need to create fear about the future and induce feelings of guilt. The reality is that as humans our dna is programmed to make us successful and no amount of scaremongering will alter that. It may get displaced momentarily in people who can be influenced, but unfortunately there is no stopping nature.
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We didn't actually do that well decade on decade though, you really do make things up to suit your outlook of life, I'm still struggling on whether you genuinely believe what you say, or you just make things up!.
So let's take this notion that humans get better decade on decade!.
The Greeks were more educated and advanced than the uk was in 1500 so for 1600 years we got worse not better!.
The advancements you perceive generally come from the industrial age and these mostly from the extraction of cheap energy coal this was a slow advancement of 200 years until we found oil and from that technological advancement took off on a graph like a hockey stick, which funnily enough so did c02 in the atmosphere.
Now as any scientist will tell you, only an economist or an idiot thinks you can have perpetual growth on a finite planet.
With our without the green party or environmentalists, sooner or later your going to have to go backwards!
I think we just need to agree to disagree as there is nothing whatsoever that you could say that would change my opinion.
Forty hears of very hard work and an absolute belief in the concept of reward for effort has provided well for me and my family.
Barring tragic accidents, illnesses and disease, we all live the lives that we deserve and we can all change our own lives tomorrow for the better if we choose to do so. I don't want or need interfering politicians telling me how to live my life, but unfortunately it is necessary to some degree. Bearing that in mind, I prefer less intrusion than more and therefore lean more to the right than the left. The concept of ever greater government intrusion into daily living is not something that I could cope with very well. ". Lol we can agree that I don't want to change your opinion just your facts! | |||
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"Suppose they call an election.........and no one came?" if there was a non of the above option on the paper i'm sure there would be many thousands opting for that box | |||
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"Kinda following on from my door knockers topic... For the 1st time in my voting life, I have absolutely no idea who to vote for. Last time I voted Lib Dems, and that turned out well. Anyone else undecided?" I wonder if the televised debates with the party leaders will sway some undecided voters? | |||
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"Problem with the Green Party is they are against feeding the worlds population. Plants thrive better with increased CO2 levels, anything that restricts CO2 reduces the capabilities of farmers to feed the world's population Ergo the Greens want the world to strave" . I honestly don't know where to begin with that utter nonsense! | |||
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"Most of the people who come here are Fleeing a Country that's in a worse state than ours.. They will end up bringing their Wars to the streets of the UK.. Call me a racist if you like.. but I think we need to shut the Bloody Doors. ukip - I don't think is the answer.. But this government are too scared to talk about immigration and the refugees who come here.. Some convicted rapists etc.. or even the recent paedophile news that they like to hide.. Corruption to the core.. "We should have shut the doors Along time ago but the prats in office Have always welcomed them here with open hands even when there were not Enough jobs about with the Illegal One,s comeing In to on top, their Createing a time bomb here and I,m just hopeing its not a big one, when Enoch powell,s famous speech was broadcast at the time people tried to Brush it under the carpet but the guy Was not a fool. | |||
"It's been hot on the beach today in Spain... I suggest everyone builds up their own carbon footprint by taking lots of holidays. Make the carbon footprint as large as possible whilst watching the Green eco stormtroopers froth at the mouth and scream hysterically at the madness of daring to live your life. As for the undecided voters. Choose what is right for you. Be selfish. " Brilliant , love that notion | |||
"Most of the people who come here are Fleeing a Country that's in a worse state than ours.. They will end up bringing their Wars to the streets of the UK.. Call me a racist if you like.. but I think we need to shut the Bloody Doors. ukip - I don't think is the answer.. But this government are too scared to talk about immigration and the refugees who come here.. Some convicted rapists etc.. or even the recent paedophile news that they like to hide.. Corruption to the core.. We should have shut the doors Along time ago but the prats in office Have always welcomed them here with open hands even when there were not Enough jobs about with the Illegal One,s comeing In to on top, their Createing a time bomb here and I,m just hopeing its not a big one, when Enoch powell,s famous speech was broadcast at the time people tried to Brush it under the carpet but the guy Was not a fool. "Was a great Shame and Pity When John Smith Died.. just my opinion..
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"Most of the people who come here are Fleeing a Country that's in a worse state than ours.. They will end up bringing their Wars to the streets of the UK.. Call me a racist if you like.. but I think we need to shut the Bloody Doors. ukip - I don't think is the answer.. But this government are too scared to talk about immigration and the refugees who come here.. Some convicted rapists etc.. or even the recent paedophile news that they like to hide.. Corruption to the core.. We should have shut the doors Along time ago but the prats in office Have always welcomed them here with open hands even when there were not Enough jobs about with the Illegal One,s comeing In to on top, their Createing a time bomb here and I,m just hopeing its not a big one, when Enoch powell,s famous speech was broadcast at the time people tried to Brush it under the carpet but the guy Was not a fool. "There is seemingly an issue with employers finding candidates who can articulate and express themselves in English. Many jobs require a reasonable standard of English and hence the reason to look outside these shores for suitably qualified candidates. | |||
"Suppose they call an election.........and no one came?" People fight and die for the right to vote in other parts of the world and in this country, people could not give a fuck. Terrible really. | |||
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"Suppose they call an election.........and no one came? People fight and die for the right to vote in other parts of the world and in this country, people could not give a fuck. Terrible really." How Long will it be before the people of the UK - Join in and start shooting and fighting in the streets as well..  | |||
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"Suppose they call an election.........and no one came? People fight and die for the right to vote in other parts of the world and in this country, people could not give a fuck. Terrible really. How Long will it be before the people of the UK - Join in and start shooting and fighting in the streets as well.. "And why would they do that? In this country you can have a great education, you can vote and you can make a meaningful difference to the life that you lead. You won't get shot or arrested for having a different political view and you are free to change your mind politically throughout your life. Why then would anyone riot? | |||
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"Most of the people who come here are Fleeing a Country that's in a worse state than ours.. They will end up bringing their Wars to the streets of the UK.. Call me a racist if you like.. but I think we need to shut the Bloody Doors. ukip - I don't think is the answer.. But this government are too scared to talk about immigration and the refugees who come here.. Some convicted rapists etc.. or even the recent paedophile news that they like to hide.. Corruption to the core.. We should have shut the doors Along time ago but the prats in office Have always welcomed them here with open hands even when there were not Enough jobs about with the Illegal One,s comeing In to on top, their Createing a time bomb here and I,m just hopeing its not a big one, when Enoch powell,s famous speech was broadcast at the time people tried to Brush it under the carpet but the guy Was not a fool.
There is seemingly an issue with employers finding candidates who can articulate and express themselves in English. Many jobs require a reasonable standard of English and hence the reason to look outside these shores for suitably qualified candidates."Absolute nonsense | |||
"Last year there were more jobs created in Yorkshire than in France, Italy and Spain combined. It's all too easy to blame the current givernment for the hard medicine needed to remove the cancer left behind by the last lot. Massive debt....largest in western world as proportion of GDP. Despite: Selling off our gold reserves. Raiding billions upon billions from pension pots. The largest income from North Sea ever (and never seen before or since). I have disagreed with many of the actual policies/implimentation. But it has worked. We will have one of two choices for PM in reality. Cameron or Alex Salmond. Anyone who thinks Labour can govern without wee 'eck pulling all the strings is sadly deluded!" Who says it's working? The Government? It must be true then. Especially when they announce drops in unemployment - in the run up to an election (isn't that always the way?) I don't buy the government line on the economy: rising rates of zero hour contracts, short term, part time contracts, apprenticeships (no more than a glorified YTS scheme) falling investment, massive cuts to the NHS, police, local councils etc, public sector cuts and wage problems, a failing health service. All of these things are happening: which parts indicate a strong, booming economy? It is smoke and mirrors, a manipulation of the true facts, which the government don't want people to know Look at the evidence that can't be massaged (unemployment figures have been massaged for decades by all governments so don't have any credibility - their only use are to give people a falsely optimistic view of what's going on). Personally, I really fear for Britain if the Tories' attitude of hitting the poorest in society while protecting the richest. But what else should we expect of Conservative governments? | |||
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"Perhaps you should all shut up until given permission to speak by our new SNP overlords? Miliband has no option if he wants number 10 he has to do what the SNP says. " Could say the same about the Tories! A hung parliament looks inevitable. Perhaps the debate should look at which two parties we will be happy being governed by? Having voted for the Lib Dems last time, I was incredibly disappointed the way Clegg broke so many party pledges | |||
"Most of the people who come here are Fleeing a Country that's in a worse state than ours.. They will end up bringing their Wars to the streets of the UK.. Call me a racist if you like.. but I think we need to shut the Bloody Doors. ukip - I don't think is the answer.. But this government are too scared to talk about immigration and the refugees who come here.. Some convicted rapists etc.. or even the recent paedophile news that they like to hide.. Corruption to the core.. We should have shut the doors Along time ago but the prats in office Have always welcomed them here with open hands even when there were not Enough jobs about with the Illegal One,s comeing In to on top, their Createing a time bomb here and I,m just hopeing its not a big one, when Enoch powell,s famous speech was broadcast at the time people tried to Brush it under the carpet but the guy Was not a fool.
There is seemingly an issue with employers finding candidates who can articulate and express themselves in English. Many jobs require a reasonable standard of English and hence the reason to look outside these shores for suitably qualified candidates.
Absolute nonsense"You obviously missed the irony. Never mind. | |||
" Who says it's working? The Government? It must be true then. Especially when they announce drops in unemployment - in the run up to an election (isn't that always the way?) I don't buy the government line on the economy: rising rates of zero hour contracts, short term, part time contracts, apprenticeships (no more than a glorified YTS scheme) falling investment, massive cuts to the NHS, police, local councils etc, public sector cuts and wage problems, a failing health service. All of these things are happening: which parts indicate a strong, booming economy? It is smoke and mirrors, a manipulation of the true facts, which the government don't want people to know Look at the evidence that can't be massaged (unemployment figures have been massaged for decades by all governments so don't have any credibility - their only use are to give people a falsely optimistic view of what's going on). Personally, I really fear for Britain if the Tories' attitude of hitting the poorest in society while protecting the richest. But what else should we expect of Conservative governments? " You should get out (of the country) more often and see what others are having to put up with. The coalition approach has worked here and what would have been the Labour approach has failed big time across the channel in France. Sarkozy was blamed for the financial crisis and was booted out in favour of a seemingly more caring, sharing socialist ideology. The result of a socialist intervention in France has been a disaster of epic proportions and the electorate are clamouring now to get conservatism back in France. Sarkozy will be back probably helped by some pretty extreme conservatives in the name of the Front Nationale. Remember that in times of trouble - it is easy to vote for a Party that promises to give you more (that is what happened in France). The realitry though is that France did not earn enough to pay for those promises and the subsequent tax reforms have hit everyone very hard indeed. The truth is there to see in France. No money, no jam. | |||
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"Like Richard Priors campaign in Brewsters millions, none of the above." There's something to this - a very high percentage of spoiled papers, or a very low turnout, would send a strong message that we;re fed up with the lot of them | |||
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"Most of the people who come here are Fleeing a Country that's in a worse state than ours.. They will end up bringing their Wars to the streets of the UK.. Call me a racist if you like.. but I think we need to shut the Bloody Doors. ukip - I don't think is the answer.. But this government are too scared to talk about immigration and the refugees who come here.. Some convicted rapists etc.. or even the recent paedophile news that they like to hide.. Corruption to the core.. We should have shut the doors Along time ago but the prats in office Have always welcomed them here with open hands even when there were not Enough jobs about with the Illegal One,s comeing In to on top, their Createing a time bomb here and I,m just hopeing its not a big one, when Enoch powell,s famous speech was broadcast at the time people tried to Brush it under the carpet but the guy Was not a fool.
Was a great Shame and Pity When John Smith Died.. just my opinion..
That was the END of Labour.. "My grandpa was staunch Conservative and my dad was more or Less the same, but I do remember one Day my dad telling me that john smith Would have made a good prime minister So you have a point there. | |||
"Let's cut the bullshit with the economic Tory recovery miracle claptrap.... They've spent there way out of the recession, 350 billion of cheap money to banks and blue chip companies, hence the massive move in stocks, shares and housing, it's a great big bubble that's going tits up really soon and then all those fat cats that have been lapping up profits on our cheap money we gave them!, well there'll just up and fuck off leaving everyone who can't afford to do that to be the next Greece! And even if they manage to put off the pop in the bubble they've created.... There's no way in the memory of man that they can pay that 1.5 trillion debt they've clocked up, once those interest rates start creeping up!. The Tories have royally fucked up the economy for 25 years!" You remind me of the guy that used to stand on Busby Way when I was a teenager going to Old Trafford. He too preached misery, destitution and the end of the world as we knew it. I took my kids to OT thirty years later and another misery preacher was doing the same thing in the same place. I won't tell you how many people listened first time, or second time around. Fear is great tool used by those who wish to oppress and control. It has been used by religious and political zealots for thousands of years. There is nothing new in the hysterics of doom and gloom from those who would have us wired up to to Central government control centres from birth. As a matter of interest, just how was any government going to tackle the growing debt, before dealing with the deficit? I think that a few people may have complained had the Army been disbanded, or the NHS sold off in its entirety, or pensions not paid. It is a fairly limp tactic to blame this government for not getting rid of an increasing debt brought upon by a massive deficit that was inherited. | |||
"Like Richard Priors campaign in Brewsters millions, none of the above. There's something to this - a very high percentage of spoiled papers, or a very low turnout, would send a strong message that we;re fed up with the lot of them" So what would you change in a meaningful way that would mean you are not fed up with the lot of them? Have you ever visited your local council chambers to attend council meetings? Have you had cause to engage with your local MP and challenge him/her on your frustrations? Politics is not just about "them" it starts with your MP and you have every right to challenge them with your thoughts and frustrations. Personally speaking and after extensive travels throughout my lifetime, I think that our MP's on the whole do a good job, do not get paid enough and individually many do a great deal for their communities. | |||
"Most of the people who come here are Fleeing a Country that's in a worse state than ours.. They will end up bringing their Wars to the streets of the UK.. Call me a racist if you like.. but I think we need to shut the Bloody Doors. ukip - I don't think is the answer.. But this government are too scared to talk about immigration and the refugees who come here.. Some convicted rapists etc.. or even the recent paedophile news that they like to hide.. Corruption to the core.. We should have shut the doors Along time ago but the prats in office Have always welcomed them here with open hands even when there were not Enough jobs about with the Illegal One,s comeing In to on top, their Createing a time bomb here and I,m just hopeing its not a big one, when Enoch powell,s famous speech was broadcast at the time people tried to Brush it under the carpet but the guy Was not a fool.
There is seemingly an issue with employers finding candidates who can articulate and express themselves in English. Many jobs require a reasonable standard of English and hence the reason to look outside these shores for suitably qualified candidates.
Absolute nonsense
You obviously missed the irony. Never mind."Apologies. Yes I did. I'm out of work (on ESA) and can't find employment in spite of having a postgraduate qualification, as well as having studied two other subjects at University. Kelvin McKenzie said on tv the other day that those on benefits were (and I quote) "poor, white thickos." Astounding | |||
"Let's cut the bullshit with the economic Tory recovery miracle claptrap.... They've spent there way out of the recession, 350 billion of cheap money to banks and blue chip companies, hence the massive move in stocks, shares and housing, it's a great big bubble that's going tits up really soon and then all those fat cats that have been lapping up profits on our cheap money we gave them!, well there'll just up and fuck off leaving everyone who can't afford to do that to be the next Greece! And even if they manage to put off the pop in the bubble they've created.... There's no way in the memory of man that they can pay that 1.5 trillion debt they've clocked up, once those interest rates start creeping up!. The Tories have royally fucked up the economy for 25 years! You remind me of the guy that used to stand on Busby Way when I was a teenager going to Old Trafford. He too preached misery, destitution and the end of the world as we knew it. I took my kids to OT thirty years later and another misery preacher was doing the same thing in the same place. I won't tell you how many people listened first time, or second time around. Fear is great tool used by those who wish to oppress and control. It has been used by religious and political zealots for thousands of years. There is nothing new in the hysterics of doom and gloom from those who would have us wired up to to Central government control centres from birth. As a matter of interest, just how was any government going to tackle the growing debt, before dealing with the deficit? I think that a few people may have complained had the Army been disbanded, or the NHS sold off in its entirety, or pensions not paid. It is a fairly limp tactic to blame this government for not getting rid of an increasing debt brought upon by a massive deficit that was inherited. " . Lol I was that guy outside OT. First it's not doom and gloom it's just facts, you can paper over the ones you don't like in your optimism, but it doesn't stop them being true!. Firstly if you remember back to the coalitions beginning, there plan to get out of the economic mire we found ourselves in was. Exporting! Now to export more they should have weakened the currency (I admit they tried a little bit to do this but failed). Now if you look at out current account, you might notice were running at near record deficit, never a good thing in reducing a budget deficit!, also you'll note that since George announced his geewhiz plan of exporting.... Errr exports haven't gone anywhere? Plus we don't really have much industry left to export, the country runs on about 75% service sector (yeah another great Tory policy)... So what's the master plan to get rid of that debt now!! , I'm presuming in a year or two I'd look for hyper inflation .
Now the Tories always have feathered the nest of the rich and always will, labour have always feathered their interests!.
Your remark before about government interference reminded me of a book I read awhile back about Hardings election in the 20s, he was elected on the slogan of less government in business and more business in government, with the big promise of deregulation, cutting red tape and reducing tax from top earners from 90% to 20%( ring a bell) well it should do because it caused the great stock bubble of the roaring 20s which was followed by the great depression which lasted 15 years and was only really brought to an end by ww2( even though back then the US and ourselves had the actual ability to build there way out of recession,something we've both lost since then).
For about 50 years after that calamitous bit of capitalist political mire, the west rarely budged from the mantra that we learnt from it, until about 1980 with the election of Thatcher and Reagan, who then set the exact wheels in motion that caused the chaos of the 30s.
The one thing your actually right about is politicians will always take the easy answer, always because
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"Last year there were more jobs created in Yorkshire than in France, Italy and Spain combined. It's all too easy to blame the current givernment for the hard medicine needed to remove the cancer left behind by the last lot. Massive debt....largest in western world as proportion of GDP. Despite: Selling off our gold reserves. Raiding billions upon billions from pension pots. The largest income from North Sea ever (and never seen before or since). I have disagreed with many of the actual policies/implimentation. But it has worked. We will have one of two choices for PM in reality. Cameron or Alex Salmond. Anyone who thinks Labour can govern without wee 'eck pulling all the strings is sadly deluded! Who says it's working? The Government? It must be true then. Especially when they announce drops in unemployment - in the run up to an election (isn't that always the way?) I don't buy the government line on the economy: rising rates of zero hour contracts, short term, part time contracts, apprenticeships (no more than a glorified YTS scheme) falling investment, massive cuts to the NHS, police, local councils etc, public sector cuts and wage problems, a failing health service. All of these things are happening: which parts indicate a strong, booming economy? It is smoke and mirrors, a manipulation of the true facts, which the government don't want people to know Look at the evidence that can't be massaged (unemployment figures have been massaged for decades by all governments so don't have any credibility - their only use are to give people a falsely optimistic view of what's going on). Personally, I really fear for Britain if the Tories' attitude of hitting the poorest in society while protecting the richest. But what else should we expect of Conservative governments? " . How can you possibly say that there any cuts in NHS expenditure ?. I thought it was the highest it has ever been. Last week share prices were at their highest ever which is a fairly good indication of confidence in out economy . Zero hours contracts give employees an opportunity to prove themselves to an employer.? Companies exist to serve the needs of consumers and.no one has an absolute right to a job. . | |||
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"Kinda following on from my door knockers topic... For the 1st time in my voting life, I have absolutely no idea who to vote for. Last time I voted Lib Dems, and that turned out well. Anyone else undecided?" Completely. The overall economy is my personal interest and I haven't got a clue what would happen with a hung parliament with labour giving too much to Scotland to the detriment of the North East which has already been utterly hammered by local government cuts. ... And would that be worse than more of the same? | |||
"The record high of the stock exchange is the fact that we have had record share buy back by the companies themselves for the last five years!. Basically the big companies have access to that massive pot of practically free money(QE and banks) the government have been throwing out, the big institutions have been using this money to buy there own shares boosting money back to shareholders, the board get lovely big bonuses as their pay is tied to share price, it's got absolutely nothing to do with confidence or good economics, in fact you could argue this is going on due to the terrible state of the current economic climate and state of government finances. Financial institutions are once again in crazy days with central bank policies seemingly aimed at pushing the bubble! One things for sure it won't end in a good way." . Most companies are funded by shareholders and not the banks . Where additional funds are required it is normally raised via a rights issue . The majority of shareholders are large pension funds and we all have an interest in their success assuming you want a decent pension. Unless companies are heavily geared I fail to see how it can end in tears . Share holding encourages responsible behaviour. | |||
"The record high of the stock exchange is the fact that we have had record share buy back by the companies themselves for the last five years!. Basically the big companies have access to that massive pot of practically free money(QE and banks) the government have been throwing out, the big institutions have been using this money to buy there own shares boosting money back to shareholders, the board get lovely big bonuses as their pay is tied to share price, it's got absolutely nothing to do with confidence or good economics, in fact you could argue this is going on due to the terrible state of the current economic climate and state of government finances. Financial institutions are once again in crazy days with central bank policies seemingly aimed at pushing the bubble! One things for sure it won't end in a good way.. Most companies are funded by shareholders and not the banks . Where additional funds are required it is normally raised via a rights issue . The majority of shareholders are large pension funds and we all have an interest in their success assuming you want a decent pension. Unless companies are heavily geared I fail to see how it can end in tears . Share holding encourages responsible behaviour." . Buy backs reduce shareholdings, The companies are owned by fewer and fewer people. You don't need a share issue or anything for a buy back. Apple last year borrowed about 5 billion for share by back despite having 150 billion in cash! It's usually seen by the market as companies showing faith in their future ability to earn. In recent years, more people are seeing it as the company showing it has no other ability for growth! | |||
"The record high of the stock exchange is the fact that we have had record share buy back by the companies themselves for the last five years!. Basically the big companies have access to that massive pot of practically free money(QE and banks) the government have been throwing out, the big institutions have been using this money to buy there own shares boosting money back to shareholders, the board get lovely big bonuses as their pay is tied to share price, it's got absolutely nothing to do with confidence or good economics, in fact you could argue this is going on due to the terrible state of the current economic climate and state of government finances. Financial institutions are once again in crazy days with central bank policies seemingly aimed at pushing the bubble! One things for sure it won't end in a good way." Where on earth do you get your facts from? Are you saying that this is just one big Ponzi scheme by companies buying their own shares? How do you explain the employment figures? Today I drove along the M62 and new build factories and distribution centres are flying up around Warrington. Why don't you try to be positive? Do you just get a buzz from being a doom and gloom merchant? Life is great and everyone has the opportunity to better themselves. Britain is great. | |||
"The record high of the stock exchange is the fact that we have had record share buy back by the companies themselves for the last five years!. Basically the big companies have access to that massive pot of practically free money(QE and banks) the government have been throwing out, the big institutions have been using this money to buy there own shares boosting money back to shareholders, the board get lovely big bonuses as their pay is tied to share price, it's got absolutely nothing to do with confidence or good economics, in fact you could argue this is going on due to the terrible state of the current economic climate and state of government finances. Financial institutions are once again in crazy days with central bank policies seemingly aimed at pushing the bubble! One things for sure it won't end in a good way. Where on earth do you get your facts from? Are you saying that this is just one big Ponzi scheme by companies buying their own shares? How do you explain the employment figures? Today I drove along the M62 and new build factories and distribution centres are flying up around Warrington. Why don't you try to be positive? Do you just get a buzz from being a doom and gloom merchant? Life is great and everyone has the opportunity to better themselves. Britain is great. " . We concur at last...correct,it's one big ponzi scheme!. No it's just capitalism, if you give free money to institutions they will use it the best way they can at the time!. Their saving tax Their owning more of their own company There boosting their pay at Board level. There's plenty of things to be optimistic about but the high price at the stock exchange isn't one of them! | |||
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"Last year there were more jobs created in Yorkshire than in France, Italy and Spain combined. It's all too easy to blame the current givernment for the hard medicine needed to remove the cancer left behind by the last lot. Massive debt....largest in western world as proportion of GDP. Despite: Selling off our gold reserves. Raiding billions upon billions from pension pots. The largest income from North Sea ever (and never seen before or since). I have disagreed with many of the actual policies/implimentation. But it has worked. We will have one of two choices for PM in reality. Cameron or Alex Salmond. Anyone who thinks Labour can govern without wee 'eck pulling all the strings is sadly deluded! Who says it's working? The Government? It must be true then. Especially when they announce drops in unemployment - in the run up to an election (isn't that always the way?) I don't buy the government line on the economy: rising rates of zero hour contracts, short term, part time contracts, apprenticeships (no more than a glorified YTS scheme) falling investment, massive cuts to the NHS, police, local councils etc, public sector cuts and wage problems, a failing health service. All of these things are happening: which parts indicate a strong, booming economy? It is smoke and mirrors, a manipulation of the true facts, which the government don't want people to know Look at the evidence that can't be massaged (unemployment figures have been massaged for decades by all governments so don't have any credibility - their only use are to give people a falsely optimistic view of what's going on). Personally, I really fear for Britain if the Tories' attitude of hitting the poorest in society while protecting the richest. But what else should we expect of Conservative governments? . How can you possibly say that there any cuts in NHS expenditure ?. I thought it was the highest it has ever been. Last week share prices were at their highest ever which is a fairly good indication of confidence in out economy . Zero hours contracts give employees an opportunity to prove themselves to an employer.? Companies exist to serve the needs of consumers and.no one has an absolute right to a job. ." The NHS is cutting one in four jobs. I call that a cutback. Same with the police. If the money spent on the NHS is high, it is due to the overpopulation we have in Britain The Stock Market doing well means nothing more than the very biggest companies are doing well. That's a surprise, isn't it? Well, I'd suggest that the way in which wages are low - and being kept low due to the influx of unskilled labour we see (perhaps the reason the Tories allow it?) - allied to falling oil prices makes companies more profitable. Your suggestion about zero hours contracts is nonsense. Even Cameron on the tv debate couldn't defend them. My last two jobs have been zero hours contracts: I could never be sure what hours I'd get, what money I'd earn and, in both cases, I lost my hours overnight, causing me huge financial problems Would you enjoy not knowing day to day whether you were get work, your hours cut, no work etc? Try planning for a mortgage like that Trust me, if they ever put you on zero hours, you will understand. They are wicked things, only good for helping companies use people Britain needs investment! | |||
"The record high of the stock exchange is the fact that we have had record share buy back by the companies themselves for the last five years!. Basically the big companies have access to that massive pot of practically free money(QE and banks) the government have been throwing out, the big institutions have been using this money to buy there own shares boosting money back to shareholders, the board get lovely big bonuses as their pay is tied to share price, it's got absolutely nothing to do with confidence or good economics, in fact you could argue this is going on due to the terrible state of the current economic climate and state of government finances. Financial institutions are once again in crazy days with central bank policies seemingly aimed at pushing the bubble! One things for sure it won't end in a good way. Where on earth do you get your facts from? Are you saying that this is just one big Ponzi scheme by companies buying their own shares? How do you explain the employment figures? Today I drove along the M62 and new build factories and distribution centres are flying up around Warrington. Why don't you try to be positive? Do you just get a buzz from being a doom and gloom merchant? Life is great and everyone has the opportunity to better themselves. Britain is great. . We concur at last...correct,it's one big ponzi scheme!. No it's just capitalism, if you give free money to institutions they will use it the best way they can at the time!. Their saving tax Their owning more of their own company There boosting their pay at Board level. There's plenty of things to be optimistic about but the high price at the stock exchange isn't one of them! " . The performance of the stock exchange has an impact on all of us . Companies performing well are more likely to be recruiting additional staff which helps everyone . Directors pay has to be approved by share holders at an AGM. If directors are running a successfully company , they are fully entitled to substantial awards . Most directors of PLCs have a long and distinguished career history . | |||
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"The record high of the stock exchange is the fact that we have had record share buy back by the companies themselves for the last five years!. Basically the big companies have access to that massive pot of practically free money(QE and banks) the government have been throwing out, the big institutions have been using this money to buy there own shares boosting money back to shareholders, the board get lovely big bonuses as their pay is tied to share price, it's got absolutely nothing to do with confidence or good economics, in fact you could argue this is going on due to the terrible state of the current economic climate and state of government finances. Financial institutions are once again in crazy days with central bank policies seemingly aimed at pushing the bubble! One things for sure it won't end in a good way. Where on earth do you get your facts from? Are you saying that this is just one big Ponzi scheme by companies buying their own shares? How do you explain the employment figures? Today I drove along the M62 and new build factories and distribution centres are flying up around Warrington. Why don't you try to be positive? Do you just get a buzz from being a doom and gloom merchant? Life is great and everyone has the opportunity to better themselves. Britain is great. . We concur at last...correct,it's one big ponzi scheme!. No it's just capitalism, if you give free money to institutions they will use it the best way they can at the time!. Their saving tax Their owning more of their own company There boosting their pay at Board level. There's plenty of things to be optimistic about but the high price at the stock exchange isn't one of them! . The performance of the stock exchange has an impact on all of us . Companies performing well are more likely to be recruiting additional staff which helps everyone . Directors pay has to be approved by share holders at an AGM. If directors are running a successfully company , they are fully entitled to substantial awards . Most directors of PLCs have a long and distinguished career history . " As mirrored in the Daily Mail editorial! Lol!!!! | |||
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"I dont vote. They are all the same lying cheating scum. in it for themselves, the banks, and big buisness. " Labour aren't - at least not for banks and big businesses. They want the great riches held by the super rich to filter down, thereby helping all members of society Tories just want the very richest to get richer still. After all, the party donors are all super rich!!! | |||
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"I dont vote. They are all the same lying cheating scum. in it for themselves, the banks, and big buisness. Labour aren't - at least not for banks and big businesses. They want the great riches held by the super rich to filter down, thereby helping all members of society Tories just want the very richest to get richer still. After all, the party donors are all super rich!!!" I was all for feeling some empathy for you earlier today.. Until I read this. I understand you now. Make the poor richer, by making the rich poorer? It doesn't work in anything but a text book. In exactly the same way that Labour bringing back the 50% tax rate won't work. It has been proven time and time again that higher taxes bring in less revenue and yet Labour are going to do it anyway because it gives the wholly incorrect perception that the rich are paying. In truth, what happens and has been proven over decades that higher taxes result in lower collections and therefore the broader tax rate on everyone has to rise to make up the shortfall. This is EXACTLY what has happened in France under Hollande. He promised to tax the rich to collect more taxes, tax revenues fell and so ordinary folks ended up paying more and now he the most unpopular French President in modern history. Envy is not a political solution. | |||
"The record high of the stock exchange is the fact that we have had record share buy back by the companies themselves for the last five years!. Basically the big companies have access to that massive pot of practically free money(QE and banks) the government have been throwing out, the big institutions have been using this money to buy there own shares boosting money back to shareholders, the board get lovely big bonuses as their pay is tied to share price, it's got absolutely nothing to do with confidence or good economics, in fact you could argue this is going on due to the terrible state of the current economic climate and state of government finances. Financial institutions are once again in crazy days with central bank policies seemingly aimed at pushing the bubble! One things for sure it won't end in a good way. Where on earth do you get your facts from? Are you saying that this is just one big Ponzi scheme by companies buying their own shares? How do you explain the employment figures? Today I drove along the M62 and new build factories and distribution centres are flying up around Warrington. Why don't you try to be positive? Do you just get a buzz from being a doom and gloom merchant? Life is great and everyone has the opportunity to better themselves. Britain is great. . We concur at last...correct,it's one big ponzi scheme!. No it's just capitalism, if you give free money to institutions they will use it the best way they can at the time!. Their saving tax Their owning more of their own company There boosting their pay at Board level. There's plenty of things to be optimistic about but the high price at the stock exchange isn't one of them! . The performance of the stock exchange has an impact on all of us . Companies performing well are more likely to be recruiting additional staff which helps everyone . Directors pay has to be approved by share holders at an AGM. If directors are running a successfully company , they are fully entitled to substantial awards . Most directors of PLCs have a long and distinguished career history . " . First off. The CEO,s pay is set by the board of directors, directors pay is set b out in general by the directors service agreement. Share buy backs actually reduce the amount of shareholders!! That's you and I. Reducing shares obviously pushers up share price, as most ceos are paid bonuses in shares, it works out great for them!. If you stick your massive share bonuses in your pension pot you pay no tax no national insurance and the company pays no national insurance either. Because the company takes on debt which is offset against tax compared to profit, the company pay less corporation tax too. Everyone's a winner... For awhile | |||
"I just cant bring myself to vote for Dave the liar or that prat Ed. Sorry but they don't trust them one bit so will probably swing to another party for first time ever. What ever the result were all fucked for next 3 years or so and its just going to be one big mess who ever gets to number 10.
How are we fucked? Britain is working, we have recovered from the recession and have the best performing economy in Europe. Last year, more jobs were created in Britain than the whole of the EU.
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"I dont vote. They are all the same lying cheating scum. in it for themselves, the banks, and big buisness. Labour aren't - at least not for banks and big businesses. They want the great riches held by the super rich to filter down, thereby helping all members of society Tories just want the very richest to get richer still. After all, the party donors are all super rich!!!" utter and complete bolloxs. But you'll no doubt vote Labour like the rest of the sheep. | |||
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"It's really really easy to create a million jobs with 0 hr contacts. Anybody can create a job where you promise somebody nothing!. It's just a piece of paper, mind you shuffling paper in this country is our specialty" | |||
"It's really really easy to create a million jobs with 0 hr contacts. Anybody can create a job where you promise somebody nothing!. It's just a piece of paper, mind you shuffling paper in this country is our specialty" You need to do your favourite thing and use Google. The number of zero hours contracts is....... And as a percentage of the working population they make up..... Ah sod it - I will tell you 2.3% of the working population are on zero hours contracts. | |||
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"It's really really easy to create a million jobs with 0 hr contacts. Anybody can create a job where you promise somebody nothing!. It's just a piece of paper, mind you shuffling paper in this country is our specialty You need to do your favourite thing and use Google. The number of zero hours contracts is....... And as a percentage of the working population they make up..... Ah sod it - I will tell you 2.3% of the working population are on zero hours contracts." . You see you keep using the ad hominem argument against me. Up to now I'm googling, whinging, doom merchant, alarmist, environmental loon.... | |||
"It's really really easy to create a million jobs with 0 hr contacts. Anybody can create a job where you promise somebody nothing!. It's just a piece of paper, mind you shuffling paper in this country is our specialty You need to do your favourite thing and use Google. The number of zero hours contracts is....... And as a percentage of the working population they make up..... Ah sod it - I will tell you 2.3% of the working population are on zero hours contracts.. You see you keep using the ad hominem argument against me. Up to now I'm googling, whinging, doom merchant, alarmist, environmental loon.... "I never said loon. You can't pin that on me. Google - yes you told me you research on websites Whinging - well you are prone to moan about the state of the country and the planet Doom merchant - again you have been known to tell us quite frequently that "it will all come to and soon" - be it financially or environmentally Alarmist - You warn us all regularly about what is about to happen to the economy/country/planet etc Environmentalist - well I would have thought you would be happy with that? So yes - five out six
By the way after four long haul legs and two short haul legs in March and a total of 15 days renting a V8 powered automobile I am now home again. Today, I felt the need to expand my already gigantic carbon footprint by filling the hot tub up again before the end of the month. It really pisses me off though cos hard as I try it is still f'ing freezing outside! | |||
"It's really really easy to create a million jobs with 0 hr contacts. Anybody can create a job where you promise somebody nothing!. It's just a piece of paper, mind you shuffling paper in this country is our specialty You need to do your favourite thing and use Google. The number of zero hours contracts is....... And as a percentage of the working population they make up..... Ah sod it - I will tell you 2.3% of the working population are on zero hours contracts.. You see you keep using the ad hominem argument against me. Up to now I'm googling, whinging, doom merchant, alarmist, environmental loon....
I never said loon. You can't pin that on me.
Google - yes you told me you research on websites
Whinging - well you are prone to moan about the state of the country and the planet
Doom merchant - again you have been known to tell us quite frequently that "it will all come to and soon" - be it financially or environmentally
Alarmist - You warn us all regularly about what is about to happen to the economy/country/planet etc
Environmentalist - well I would have thought you would be happy with that?
So yes - five out six
By the way after four long haul legs and two short haul legs in March and a total of 15 days renting a V8 powered automobile I am now home again. Today, I felt the need to expand my already gigantic carbon footprint by filling the hot tub up again before the end of the month. It really pisses me off though cos hard as I try it is still f'ing freezing outside!". Don't worry my frugal lifestyle makes up for your extravagant one .
Just because you don't like the facts in telling you, doesn't mean it's whinging!
I'm very optimistic that we might get a total shut down on fracking in the uk but it's a long and winding road | |||
"The Chartered Institute of Personnel Development estimated that there are more than a million zero-hours contract workers – 3.1% of the UK workforce and this figure is out of date already. Whether we like it or not that figure is rising and it is not to the benefit of the zero hour worker. " Not a sign of a booming economy, is it? | |||
"The Chartered Institute of Personnel Development estimated that there are more than a million zero-hours contract workers – 3.1% of the UK workforce and this figure is out of date already. Whether we like it or not that figure is rising and it is not to the benefit of the zero hour worker. Not a sign of a booming economy, is it?" Sadly, no, it is not. | |||
"The record high of the stock exchange is the fact that we have had record share buy back by the companies themselves for the last five years!. Basically the big companies have access to that massive pot of practically free money(QE and banks) the government have been throwing out, the big institutions have been using this money to buy there own shares boosting money back to shareholders, the board get lovely big bonuses as their pay is tied to share price, it's got absolutely nothing to do with confidence or good economics, in fact you could argue this is going on due to the terrible state of the current economic climate and state of government finances. Financial institutions are once again in crazy days with central bank policies seemingly aimed at pushing the bubble! One things for sure it won't end in a good way. Where on earth do you get your facts from? Are you saying that this is just one big Ponzi scheme by companies buying their own shares? How do you explain the employment figures? Today I drove along the M62 and new build factories and distribution centres are flying up around Warrington. Why don't you try to be positive? Do you just get a buzz from being a doom and gloom merchant? Life is great and everyone has the opportunity to better themselves. Britain is great. . We concur at last...correct,it's one big ponzi scheme!. No it's just capitalism, if you give free money to institutions they will use it the best way they can at the time!. Their saving tax Their owning more of their own company There boosting their pay at Board level. There's plenty of things to be optimistic about but the high price at the stock exchange isn't one of them! . The performance of the stock exchange has an impact on all of us . Companies performing well are more likely to be recruiting additional staff which helps everyone . Directors pay has to be approved by share holders at an AGM. If directors are running a successfully company , they are fully entitled to substantial awards . Most directors of PLCs have a long and distinguished career history . . First off. The CEO,s pay is set by the board of directors, directors pay is set b out in general by the directors service agreement. Share buy backs actually reduce the amount of shareholders!! That's you and I. Reducing shares obviously pushers up share price, as most ceos are paid bonuses in shares, it works out great for them!. If you stick your massive share bonuses in your pension pot you pay no tax no national insurance and the company pays no national insurance either. Because the company takes on debt which is offset against tax compared to profit, the company pay less corporation tax too. Everyone's a winner... For awhile ". I can only think of a few buy backs recently . There have been far more rights issues | |||
"And to add to the debate on zero hours... it is not just about the invariably poor pay, it is about the wider social implications. " . Zero hours may not suit everyone but it does give you a chance to prove yourself to a potential employer. I worked for one company on a days trial which would have been unpaid if I had not been taken on. On other occasions I have travelled seventy miles or stayed in bed and breakfast . Once at the company , I make every possible effort to prove myself , whether it is changing systems or doing things more effectively . No one has a right to a job, it is up to you to have both the relevant qualifications and experience , but more to the point once you are in a role , prove your worth to your employer every day . You should always be continually evaluating yourself and seeking to perform better. | |||
"The record high of the stock exchange is the fact that we have had record share buy back by the companies themselves for the last five years!. Basically the big companies have access to that massive pot of practically free money(QE and banks) the government have been throwing out, the big institutions have been using this money to buy there own shares boosting money back to shareholders, the board get lovely big bonuses as their pay is tied to share price, it's got absolutely nothing to do with confidence or good economics, in fact you could argue this is going on due to the terrible state of the current economic climate and state of government finances. Financial institutions are once again in crazy days with central bank policies seemingly aimed at pushing the bubble! One things for sure it won't end in a good way. Where on earth do you get your facts from? Are you saying that this is just one big Ponzi scheme by companies buying their own shares? How do you explain the employment figures? Today I drove along the M62 and new build factories and distribution centres are flying up around Warrington. Why don't you try to be positive? Do you just get a buzz from being a doom and gloom merchant? Life is great and everyone has the opportunity to better themselves. Britain is great. . We concur at last...correct,it's one big ponzi scheme!. No it's just capitalism, if you give free money to institutions they will use it the best way they can at the time!. Their saving tax Their owning more of their own company There boosting their pay at Board level. There's plenty of things to be optimistic about but the high price at the stock exchange isn't one of them! . The performance of the stock exchange has an impact on all of us . Companies performing well are more likely to be recruiting additional staff which helps everyone . Directors pay has to be approved by share holders at an AGM. If directors are running a successfully company , they are fully entitled to substantial awards . Most directors of PLCs have a long and distinguished career history . . First off. The CEO,s pay is set by the board of directors, directors pay is set b out in general by the directors service agreement. Share buy backs actually reduce the amount of shareholders!! That's you and I. Reducing shares obviously pushers up share price, as most ceos are paid bonuses in shares, it works out great for them!. If you stick your massive share bonuses in your pension pot you pay no tax no national insurance and the company pays no national insurance either. Because the company takes on debt which is offset against tax compared to profit, the company pay less corporation tax too. Everyone's a winner... For awhile . I can only think of a few buy backs recently . There have been far more rights issues "There have been quite a lot of share buy backs by the major corporations which have lots of cash, already pay pretty big dividends and maybe, just maybe because most CEO bonus schemes have an earnings per share measure, fewer shares, same profit, bigger bonus! | |||
"The record high of the stock exchange is the fact that we have had record share buy back by the companies themselves for the last five years!. Basically the big companies have access to that massive pot of practically free money(QE and banks) the government have been throwing out, the big institutions have been using this money to buy there own shares boosting money back to shareholders, the board get lovely big bonuses as their pay is tied to share price, it's got absolutely nothing to do with confidence or good economics, in fact you could argue this is going on due to the terrible state of the current economic climate and state of government finances. Financial institutions are once again in crazy days with central bank policies seemingly aimed at pushing the bubble! One things for sure it won't end in a good way. Where on earth do you get your facts from? Are you saying that this is just one big Ponzi scheme by companies buying their own shares? How do you explain the employment figures? Today I drove along the M62 and new build factories and distribution centres are flying up around Warrington. Why don't you try to be positive? Do you just get a buzz from being a doom and gloom merchant? Life is great and everyone has the opportunity to better themselves. Britain is great. . We concur at last...correct,it's one big ponzi scheme!. No it's just capitalism, if you give free money to institutions they will use it the best way they can at the time!. Their saving tax Their owning more of their own company There boosting their pay at Board level. There's plenty of things to be optimistic about but the high price at the stock exchange isn't one of them! . The performance of the stock exchange has an impact on all of us . Companies performing well are more likely to be recruiting additional staff which helps everyone . Directors pay has to be approved by share holders at an AGM. If directors are running a successfully company , they are fully entitled to substantial awards . Most directors of PLCs have a long and distinguished career history . . First off. The CEO,s pay is set by the board of directors, directors pay is set b out in general by the directors service agreement. Share buy backs actually reduce the amount of shareholders!! That's you and I. Reducing shares obviously pushers up share price, as most ceos are paid bonuses in shares, it works out great for them!. If you stick your massive share bonuses in your pension pot you pay no tax no national insurance and the company pays no national insurance either. Because the company takes on debt which is offset against tax compared to profit, the company pay less corporation tax too. Everyone's a winner... For awhile . I can only think of a few buy backs recently . There have been far more rights issues ". The s&p 500 spent 95% of earnings on buy backs last year nearly a trillion dollars worth!... I'm not being rude but are you actually studying the stock market. Share issues dilute stock price and don't cause massive highs! | |||
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"I dont vote. They are all the same lying cheating scum. in it for themselves, the banks, and big buisness. Labour aren't - at least not for banks and big businesses. They want the great riches held by the super rich to filter down, thereby helping all members of society Tories just want the very richest to get richer still. After all, the party donors are all super rich!!!" In that case, when the fuck is Tony Blair going to redistribute his £100,000,000? | |||
"The record high of the stock exchange is the fact that we have had record share buy back by the companies themselves for the last five years!. Basically the big companies have access to that massive pot of practically free money(QE and banks) the government have been throwing out, the big institutions have been using this money to buy there own shares boosting money back to shareholders, the board get lovely big bonuses as their pay is tied to share price, it's got absolutely nothing to do with confidence or good economics, in fact you could argue this is going on due to the terrible state of the current economic climate and state of government finances. Financial institutions are once again in crazy days with central bank policies seemingly aimed at pushing the bubble! One things for sure it won't end in a good way. Where on earth do you get your facts from? Are you saying that this is just one big Ponzi scheme by companies buying their own shares? How do you explain the employment figures? Today I drove along the M62 and new build factories and distribution centres are flying up around Warrington. Why don't you try to be positive? Do you just get a buzz from being a doom and gloom merchant? Life is great and everyone has the opportunity to better themselves. Britain is great. . We concur at last...correct,it's one big ponzi scheme!. No it's just capitalism, if you give free money to institutions they will use it the best way they can at the time!. Their saving tax Their owning more of their own company There boosting their pay at Board level. There's plenty of things to be optimistic about but the high price at the stock exchange isn't one of them! . The performance of the stock exchange has an impact on all of us . Companies performing well are more likely to be recruiting additional staff which helps everyone . Directors pay has to be approved by share holders at an AGM. If directors are running a successfully company , they are fully entitled to substantial awards . Most directors of PLCs have a long and distinguished career history . . First off. The CEO,s pay is set by the board of directors, directors pay is set b out in general by the directors service agreement. Share buy backs actually reduce the amount of shareholders!! That's you and I. Reducing shares obviously pushers up share price, as most ceos are paid bonuses in shares, it works out great for them!. If you stick your massive share bonuses in your pension pot you pay no tax no national insurance and the company pays no national insurance either. Because the company takes on debt which is offset against tax compared to profit, the company pay less corporation tax too. Everyone's a winner... For awhile . I can only think of a few buy backs recently . There have been far more rights issues .
The s&p 500 spent 95% of earnings on buy backs last year nearly a trillion dollars worth!... I'm not being rude but are you actually studying the stock market.
Share issues dilute stock price and don't cause massive highs!". Share issues can also be a sign of confidence in a company . They may be required to find a takeover and these rights issues would fail if investors did not have confidence in the future of the company concerned . | |||
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"I dont vote. They are all the same lying cheating scum. in it for themselves, the banks, and big buisness. Labour aren't - at least not for banks and big businesses. They want the great riches held by the super rich to filter down, thereby helping all members of society Tories just want the very richest to get richer still. After all, the party donors are all super rich!!! In that case, when the fuck is Tony Blair going to redistribute his £100,000,000?" . Apparently he pays loads of tax though so it's OK! | |||
"The record high of the stock exchange is the fact that we have had record share buy back by the companies themselves for the last five years!. Basically the big companies have access to that massive pot of practically free money(QE and banks) the government have been throwing out, the big institutions have been using this money to buy there own shares boosting money back to shareholders, the board get lovely big bonuses as their pay is tied to share price, it's got absolutely nothing to do with confidence or good economics, in fact you could argue this is going on due to the terrible state of the current economic climate and state of government finances. Financial institutions are once again in crazy days with central bank policies seemingly aimed at pushing the bubble! One things for sure it won't end in a good way. Where on earth do you get your facts from? Are you saying that this is just one big Ponzi scheme by companies buying their own shares? How do you explain the employment figures? Today I drove along the M62 and new build factories and distribution centres are flying up around Warrington. Why don't you try to be positive? Do you just get a buzz from being a doom and gloom merchant? Life is great and everyone has the opportunity to better themselves. Britain is great. . We concur at last...correct,it's one big ponzi scheme!. No it's just capitalism, if you give free money to institutions they will use it the best way they can at the time!. Their saving tax Their owning more of their own company There boosting their pay at Board level. There's plenty of things to be optimistic about but the high price at the stock exchange isn't one of them! . The performance of the stock exchange has an impact on all of us . Companies performing well are more likely to be recruiting additional staff which helps everyone . Directors pay has to be approved by share holders at an AGM. If directors are running a successfully company , they are fully entitled to substantial awards . Most directors of PLCs have a long and distinguished career history . . First off. The CEO,s pay is set by the board of directors, directors pay is set b out in general by the directors service agreement. Share buy backs actually reduce the amount of shareholders!! That's you and I. Reducing shares obviously pushers up share price, as most ceos are paid bonuses in shares, it works out great for them!. If you stick your massive share bonuses in your pension pot you pay no tax no national insurance and the company pays no national insurance either. Because the company takes on debt which is offset against tax compared to profit, the company pay less corporation tax too. Everyone's a winner... For awhile . I can only think of a few buy backs recently . There have been far more rights issues .
The s&p 500 spent 95% of earnings on buy backs last year nearly a trillion dollars worth!... I'm not being rude but are you actually studying the stock market.
Share issues dilute stock price and don't cause massive highs!. Share issues can also be a sign of confidence in a company . They may be required to find a takeover and these rights issues would fail if investors did not have confidence in the future of the company concerned . "New shares are normally priced at a reasonable discount to the current share price so investors are incentivised to take up the offer and normally don't want to get diluted. In the current environment if a company needs to raise cash the debt markets are the most attractive right now. | |||
"The record high of the stock exchange is the fact that we have had record share buy back by the companies themselves for the last five years!. Basically the big companies have access to that massive pot of practically free money(QE and banks) the government have been throwing out, the big institutions have been using this money to buy there own shares boosting money back to shareholders, the board get lovely big bonuses as their pay is tied to share price, it's got absolutely nothing to do with confidence or good economics, in fact you could argue this is going on due to the terrible state of the current economic climate and state of government finances. Financial institutions are once again in crazy days with central bank policies seemingly aimed at pushing the bubble! One things for sure it won't end in a good way. Where on earth do you get your facts from? Are you saying that this is just one big Ponzi scheme by companies buying their own shares? How do you explain the employment figures? Today I drove along the M62 and new build factories and distribution centres are flying up around Warrington. Why don't you try to be positive? Do you just get a buzz from being a doom and gloom merchant? Life is great and everyone has the opportunity to better themselves. Britain is great. . We concur at last...correct,it's one big ponzi scheme!. No it's just capitalism, if you give free money to institutions they will use it the best way they can at the time!. Their saving tax Their owning more of their own company There boosting their pay at Board level. There's plenty of things to be optimistic about but the high price at the stock exchange isn't one of them! . The performance of the stock exchange has an impact on all of us . Companies performing well are more likely to be recruiting additional staff which helps everyone . Directors pay has to be approved by share holders at an AGM. If directors are running a successfully company , they are fully entitled to substantial awards . Most directors of PLCs have a long and distinguished career history . . First off. The CEO,s pay is set by the board of directors, directors pay is set b out in general by the directors service agreement. Share buy backs actually reduce the amount of shareholders!! That's you and I. Reducing shares obviously pushers up share price, as most ceos are paid bonuses in shares, it works out great for them!. If you stick your massive share bonuses in your pension pot you pay no tax no national insurance and the company pays no national insurance either. Because the company takes on debt which is offset against tax compared to profit, the company pay less corporation tax too. Everyone's a winner... For awhile . I can only think of a few buy backs recently . There have been far more rights issues .
The s&p 500 spent 95% of earnings on buy backs last year nearly a trillion dollars worth!... I'm not being rude but are you actually studying the stock market.
Share issues dilute stock price and don't cause massive highs!. Share issues can also be a sign of confidence in a company . They may be required to find a takeover and these rights issues would fail if investors did not have confidence in the future of the company concerned . ". True on occasional times, but that wouldn't push the thing into a bull market, the corporate world is awash with money and has been for 5 years!.. When there's plenty of money you get bull markets. Your Irish though pat, did you notice last month that noonan got caught out in his personal yearly deceleration that he's sold his stocks and bought gold... Funny how they say one thing while working for yer then do the other when it's their money | |||
"It's really really easy to create a million jobs with 0 hr contacts. Anybody can create a job where you promise somebody nothing!. It's just a piece of paper, mind you shuffling paper in this country is our specialty" I,ve heard that said Before I remember someone who worked in Industry for a good many years and The Only time they saw this Individual was When they walked past the office With a piece of paper in there hand, But surely computers do all that now On line or through a printer but I suppose where there,s a will there,s a way.. | |||
"I dont vote. They are all the same lying cheating scum. in it for themselves, the banks, and big buisness. Labour aren't - at least not for banks and big businesses. They want the great riches held by the super rich to filter down, thereby helping all members of society Tories just want the very richest to get richer still. After all, the party donors are all super rich!!! In that case, when the fuck is Tony Blair going to redistribute his £100,000,000?. Apparently he pays loads of tax though so it's OK!" The last figures I saw was that his earnings were over 10 Mil, and his tax was 275K. | |||
"I dont vote. They are all the same lying cheating scum. in it for themselves, the banks, and big buisness. Labour aren't - at least not for banks and big businesses. They want the great riches held by the super rich to filter down, thereby helping all members of society Tories just want the very richest to get richer still. After all, the party donors are all super rich!!! In that case, when the fuck is Tony Blair going to redistribute his £100,000,000?. Apparently he pays loads of tax though so it's OK! The last figures I saw was that his earnings were over 10 Mil, and his tax was 275K. " What the fuck has Blair got to do with the current election? By that token can I talk about Attlee? | |||
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"I dont vote. They are all the same lying cheating scum. in it for themselves, the banks, and big buisness. Labour aren't - at least not for banks and big businesses. They want the great riches held by the super rich to filter down, thereby helping all members of society Tories just want the very richest to get richer still. After all, the party donors are all super rich!!! In that case, when the fuck is Tony Blair going to redistribute his £100,000,000?. Apparently he pays loads of tax though so it's OK! The last figures I saw was that his earnings were over 10 Mil, and his tax was 275K. What the fuck has Blair got to do with the current election? By that token can I talk about Attlee? " You made the point that labour, unlike the tories, are for redistribution of wealth... The longest serving labour prime minister ever avoids paying tax like the plague. So much for his socialist ideals. He has also donated to each labour candidate of the top 100 marginal seats... He has been on TV and radio effectively campaigning for labour. His policies and government are still fresh in everybody's minds. And you say he has fuck all to do with this election? Not many people can remember Attlee, he's been dead for nearly 50 years, let alone his government or his policies. Everyone remembers Blair. | |||
"I dont vote. They are all the same lying cheating scum. in it for themselves, the banks, and big buisness. Labour aren't - at least not for banks and big businesses. They want the great riches held by the super rich to filter down, thereby helping all members of society Tories just want the very richest to get richer still. After all, the party donors are all super rich!!! In that case, when the fuck is Tony Blair going to redistribute his £100,000,000?. Apparently he pays loads of tax though so it's OK! The last figures I saw was that his earnings were over 10 Mil, and his tax was 275K. What the fuck has Blair got to do with the current election? By that token can I talk about Attlee? You made the point that labour, unlike the tories, are for redistribution of wealth... The longest serving labour prime minister ever avoids paying tax like the plague. So much for his socialist ideals. He has also donated to each labour candidate of the top 100 marginal seats... He has been on TV and radio effectively campaigning for labour. His policies and government are still fresh in everybody's minds. And you say he has fuck all to do with this election? Not many people can remember Attlee, he's been dead for nearly 50 years, let alone his government or his policies. Everyone remembers Blair. " I would also say that there is no comparison between Atlee's labour and the present day labour, ... the present day labour, of course, being Blair's 'New Labour', albeit with very minor modifications. So yes, Blair has quite a bit to do with this election, Atlee doesn't. | |||
"I dont vote. They are all the same lying cheating scum. in it for themselves, the banks, and big buisness. Labour aren't - at least not for banks and big businesses. They want the great riches held by the super rich to filter down, thereby helping all members of society Tories just want the very richest to get richer still. After all, the party donors are all super rich!!! In that case, when the fuck is Tony Blair going to redistribute his £100,000,000?. Apparently he pays loads of tax though so it's OK! The last figures I saw was that his earnings were over 10 Mil, and his tax was 275K. What the fuck has Blair got to do with the current election? By that token can I talk about Attlee? You made the point that labour, unlike the tories, are for redistribution of wealth... The longest serving labour prime minister ever avoids paying tax like the plague. So much for his socialist ideals. He has also donated to each labour candidate of the top 100 marginal seats... He has been on TV and radio effectively campaigning for labour. His policies and government are still fresh in everybody's minds. And you say he has fuck all to do with this election? Not many people can remember Attlee, he's been dead for nearly 50 years, let alone his government or his policies. Everyone remembers Blair. " And Blair has nothing to do with this election! People remember Thatcher - and the cuts her government introduced (similar to the Tories now). Thatcher, too, has nothing to do with this election. It is to do with Milliband and Cameron, surely? Their policies and their parties' manifestos. Surely? Personally I am a floating voter who has been impressed with the way in which Milliband is saying the very top need to be hit so that money filters down, rather than keep hitting the poorest in society, which the current government has been doing - as well as cutting NHS staff, police staff etc Blair - and new labour - were never socialists. They went right wing on policies in order to split Tory voters. Sadly, that worked very well for them and Blair kept getting voted back in From what I've seen Milliband is trying to implement more left wing policies, which Blair never did Indeed, I'd argue that Blair was more Conservative than Labour and his policies should be seen accordingly: Conservative policies that benefitted the rich | |||
