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By *uby0000 OP Woman
over a year ago
hertfordshire |
A man known as the "naked rambler" has had his final appeal to be naked in public rejected by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).
Ex-Royal Marine Stephen Gough, had argued his repeated imprisonment breached his human rights.
Gough, 55, from Eastleigh, Hampshire was refused permission to appeal to the ECHR's highest Grand Chamber.
He first gained notoriety in 2003 when he walked naked from Land's End to John O'Groats.
Last October, he was jailed for two-and-a-half years by a judge at Winchester Crown Court of breaching an anti-social behaviour order (Asbo), involving walking out of the city's prison wearing only his boots and socks.
do you thin it is offensive or right to jail him?
He had previously argued there was nothing intimidating about him appearing "in his natural human state", and had served a previous jail term for the same breach.
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By *uby0000 OP Woman
over a year ago
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"He behaves like an arrogant twat with no regards to anyones feelings but his own
He continually breaks the law so he pays the price
You don't normally sit on the fence  "
nor can he without splinters lol |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
""he walked naked from Land's End to John O'Groats."
How did he manage this - if I dropped my trolleys in the park I'm sure I'd get arrested (and no I don't do this regularly ) "
He was arrested several times.
There was a rather sad programme about him last year. His family have really suffered in the loss of a father, son, husband because of his behaviour.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He behaves like an arrogant twat with no regards to anyones feelings but his own
He continually breaks the law so he pays the price
You don't normally sit on the fence "
I thought I'd hold back this time
He doesn't sit on the fence either.....splinters  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He behaves like an arrogant twat with no regards to anyones feelings but his own
He continually breaks the law so he pays the price
You don't normally sit on the fence
nor can he without splinters lol"
Bigger,you beat me to the splinter joke |
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By *uby0000 OP Woman
over a year ago
hertfordshire |
"He behaves like an arrogant twat with no regards to anyones feelings but his own
He continually breaks the law so he pays the price
You don't normally sit on the fence
nor can he without splinters lol
Bigger,you beat me to the splinter joke "
it was a goodun lol bet he wouldn't have the balls to try lol |
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""He was arrested several times.
There was a rather sad programme about him last year. His family have really suffered in the loss of a father, son, husband because of his behaviour.
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Ah v sad - hope it's not related to his role in the marines |
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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago
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It is not illegal to be naked in public. He has been locked up for 7 years at a cost of over 250000 pounds. If he had raped kr murdeted somone he would not have served that long.He has not commited an offence as such. Itsonly peoples reaction to him that gets him imprisoned. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I do not wish to see men naked in public and I'm sure a lot of parents feel the same whilst going about their business with their children ....he does not have a human right to offend people "
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How showing the human body can be illegal is beyond me. Pretty much shows how fucked up we are as a race when we get so offended by the human body we make it illegal to show it in public. The only thing we ever truly own. The most beautiful and amazing thing there is in nature. We're basically getting offended by our own selves. Puzzling.
Sure it's a law and he's broken it. That's fair enough but the law's a joke. It's a shame we've got to this point in our evolution.
I know some people don't want to see a guy wandering around with his bollocks out. Old grannies get offended. Kids shouldn't see such things blah blah blah but that just tells me we've taken a few wrong turns on the evolutionary road.
A woman gets here tits out on a beach in Spain. Kids are present. Old grannies are present. No one gives a shit. Woman walks down Barnsley high street with her tits out she gets arrested. Strange world. Rant over. |
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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago
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"How showing the human body can be illegal is beyond me. Pretty much shows how fucked up we are as a race when we get so offended by the human body we make it illegal to show it in public. The only thing we ever truly own. The most beautiful and amazing thing there is in nature. We're basically getting offended by our own selves. Puzzling.
Sure it's a law and he's broken it. That's fair enough but the law's a joke. It's a shame we've got to this point in our evolution.
I know some people don't want to see a guy wandering around with his bollocks out. Old grannies get offended. Kids shouldn't see such things blah blah blah but that just tells me we've taken a few wrong turns on the evolutionary road.
A woman gets here tits out on a beach in Spain. Kids are present. Old grannies are present. No one gives a shit. Woman walks down Barnsley high street with her tits out she gets arrested. Strange world. Rant over."
But its not illegal to be naked! |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"How showing the human body can be illegal is beyond me. Pretty much shows how fucked up we are as a race when we get so offended by the human body we make it illegal to show it in public. The only thing we ever truly own. The most beautiful and amazing thing there is in nature. We're basically getting offended by our own selves. Puzzling.
Sure it's a law and he's broken it. That's fair enough but the law's a joke. It's a shame we've got to this point in our evolution.
I know some people don't want to see a guy wandering around with his bollocks out. Old grannies get offended. Kids shouldn't see such things blah blah blah but that just tells me we've taken a few wrong turns on the evolutionary road.
A woman gets here tits out on a beach in Spain. Kids are present. Old grannies are present. No one gives a shit. Woman walks down Barnsley high street with her tits out she gets arrested. Strange world. Rant over.
But its not illegal to be naked!"
No it isn't. However it is illegal to cause offence by being naked.
Just as it's not illegal to have sex in your own home with the curtains open. However, if someone sees you and is offended then you are in the wrong.
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over a year ago
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"How showing the human body can be illegal is beyond me. Pretty much shows how fucked up we are as a race when we get so offended by the human body we make it illegal to show it in public. The only thing we ever truly own. The most beautiful and amazing thing there is in nature. We're basically getting offended by our own selves. Puzzling.
Sure it's a law and he's broken it. That's fair enough but the law's a joke. It's a shame we've got to this point in our evolution.
I know some people don't want to see a guy wandering around with his bollocks out. Old grannies get offended. Kids shouldn't see such things blah blah blah but that just tells me we've taken a few wrong turns on the evolutionary road.
A woman gets here tits out on a beach in Spain. Kids are present. Old grannies are present. No one gives a shit. Woman walks down Barnsley high street with her tits out she gets arrested. Strange world. Rant over."
Totally Agreed
In saying that though he's being a knob and is asking for it. The law is the law, as shit as it is.
I like being naked outdoors too but if its going to get me in trouble or offend folk I'll respect that and do it in an appropriate place. Nudist beach/area or secluded spot away from prying eyes.
Maybe one day we'll be a freer (is that a word?) more open-minded society. |
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He's shown himself to have nothing to hide nor be a danger to others, unlike many high profile people who were hiding and had their wrongdoings kept hidden.
Feel like he should be given the equivalent of the keys to the city for the whole country and ramble away.
It's a pity the European courts couldn't have found in his favor. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Personally i think he's harmless.
And to all those who say he's broken the law?
Next time you do the same, eg speeding and many more, please hand yerself in at the first opportunity. |
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By *illdeeCouple
over a year ago
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Personally i think he's harmless.
And to all those who say he's broken the law?
Next time you do the same, eg speeding and many more, please hand yerself in at the first opportunity. "
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Personally i think he's harmless.
And to all those who say he's broken the law?
Next time you do the same, eg speeding and many more, please hand yerself in at the first opportunity. "
All else aside would you agree that if you have been caught speeding several times but continue to do so, when you're caught again you should really know what's going to happen to you and accept the consequences? |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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Personally i think he's harmless.
And to all those who say he's broken the law?
Next time you do the same, eg speeding and many more, please hand yerself in at the first opportunity. "
Did he hand himself over then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We are an odd species and an odd country when it comes to nakedness and our acceptance of our own form.
We have have 'Page 3' shots in our newspapers, but ladies cannot go topless in the streets despite campaigns to de-sexualise breasts. We have internet awash with porn; teenagers parading themselves all over Kik & Snapchat. Yet cannot get naked in the 'Big Room' except for designated areas (and there are very few of those).
Its a dichotomy of thinking and a contradiction in terms. Society (as a generalisation) is both appalled and titillated by nudity at the same instant.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I do not wish to see men naked in public and I'm sure a lot of parents feel the same whilst going about their business with their children ....he does not have a human right to offend people "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I did watch the documentary of him oh the tv awhile back and he struck me as a troubled individual but a harmless one!.
I wouldn't be offended if I was out walking and stumbled across him, even if I was with my kids,I can't possibly see how a dangling dick could scar a child for life!.
I'd certainly be more concerned about what they can see over the internet! |
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"I did watch the documentary of him oh the tv awhile back and he struck me as a troubled individual but a harmless one!.
I wouldn't be offended if I was out walking and stumbled across him, even if I was with my kids,I can't possibly see how a dangling dick could scar a child for life!.
I'd certainly be more concerned about what they can see over the internet!"
yes i saw that to.its on youtube if any one wants to see it..his partner on the walk was my ex girlfriend ..who felt self conscious going topless on the beach a few years before when we were together..not sure how he persuaded her to do that walk but it was an amazing feat, even with your clothes on.he's been locked up ever since.they didnt quite make it to the end |
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I think it has to do with where you are. Topless on a beach is considered to be ok, topless in a city environment not ok. It might not be illegal to be naked in public, but there are decency issues there as not everyone wants to see you naked. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hello Rachel,
decency has nothing to do with the amount of clothes you wear but in how you act.
What about the naked bike rides carried out in many cities? Nobody gets arrested as it's not illegal to be naked in public in the U.K.
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The only issue for kids with nakedness is from parents' - we learn embarrassment and shame.
We'd be a lot happier as a nation if we got over our recently developed increase to moral outrage.
The guy's obviously not someone who does anything in secret, has no ill intentions, he's open about what he does and his motivation.
One of our country's eccentrics and the better our place is for having him. |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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He is being victimised no two ways about it.
How many of the cyclists in the various UK naked cycle rides have been arrested and jailed for riding their bikes naked in cities in the UK?
http://tinyurl.com/q428umm
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http://tinyurl.com/lyujw56
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http://tinyurl.com/nd7ddwh
Blatant discrimination |
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It has of course never been against the law to be a homosexual xx
The law is always right and no one should ever take a stand or object ?
My personal _iew is nudity in public should be regulated
However it is only the way our western society is orchestrated that means some are conditioned to find natural human nudity offensive
The naturist argument is valid
That the body itself is not offensive or showing it an act of sexual molestation or offense these are results of prudish conditioning
However we are within a conditioned established community and the feelings of the majority conditioned are worthy of consideration
I don't really agree with our friends approach to raising consciousness , but he has some valid points about all our freedoms
But as repeatedly said above
Just like Alan Turing he broke the law end of and should be punished severely  |
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Being naked is not against the law but can turn into a 'breach of the peace' and the like.
His biggest issue with the law is not keep to Judges orders, which then results in him being found in 'contempt of court', which I 'think' is a fast-track to prison. As he continues not to abide by court orders, so the problem compounds.
In some respects I totally agree with the bloke, but I'm also of the impression that he's totally bonkers. |
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"It is not illegal to be naked in public. He has been locked up for 7 years at a cost of over 250000 pounds. If he had raped kr murdeted somone he would not have served that long.He has not commited an offence as such. Itsonly peoples reaction to him that gets him imprisoned. "
did he serve this time all in one go or was it repeated incarcerations? |
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did he serve this time all in one go or was it repeated incarcerations?"
Been a while since I read his story but I think its all added up. Get's arrested, appears in court 'naked', told to get dressed, refuses, gets a few days for contempt of court. Reappears in court 'naked'... and so on.
Goes to prison, does his time and leaves the prison 'naked' - 'contempt of court' - rearrested and so on. |
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did he serve this time all in one go or was it repeated incarcerations?
Been a while since I read his story but I think its all added up. Get's arrested, appears in court 'naked', told to get dressed, refuses, gets a few days for contempt of court. Reappears in court 'naked'... and so on.
Goes to prison, does his time and leaves the prison 'naked' - 'contempt of court' - rearrested and so on."
so the comparison made by others to other crimes and their sentences is completely irrelevant then....sounds about right lol |
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"He first gained notoriety in 2003 when he walked naked from Land's End to John O'Groats.
Last October, he was jailed for two-and-a-half years by a judge at Winchester Crown Court.."
How Many Years in Total has he been in Jail since 2003.. ???
I can remember that He Did Spend a lot of Time in Scottish jails Before they Decided to let him Walk over the Border to England..
He must be costing the tax payer a Fortune..  |
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If it's illegal then it's illegal. I like eating chocolate but if they make it illegal then you can't complain when you get caught.
If he is making a stand then fair enough.But if it's true that this has ruined his family. Does he really rate nudity above family?
It's his life and his choice. But shame heis not considering those who love him. Never mind the general public. |
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so the comparison made by others to other crimes and their sentences is completely irrelevant then....sounds about right lol"
Totally irrelevant because the guy hasn't committed any crime as such, he's 'only' broken the law 
When he did his walk he only had just a little bother in England. He was arrested maybe 1, ,2 or 3 times but then un-arrested and sent on his way.
When he crossed the boarder into Scotland, that's when it all changed and got serious.
In England public nudity with ZERO sexual content is not illegal as such. But if people complain then it can be classed as causing 'a breach of the peace'. For that you can be arrested and I'd guess, be held to appear in court.
I don't know if the law is different in Scotland or just applied to the fullest extent.
Personally I think they are criminalising someone who maybe needs some psychiatric help. But most certainly needs a Manager, a Public Relations Manager, and a Campaign Manager  |
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over a year ago
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Frankly I think he's a fucking arsehole. The law is the law and whether we agree or disagree with it, it is there and has to be adhered to. This guy has obviously broken the law and acted with utter contempt for the law, therefore he needs to be punished in accordance with the law |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I personally think two and a half years is a bit steep
When you think that catholic priest only got three
How do you justify a man who abused his position of trust and abusing children for years only getting 6 months more than a guy who just walks round naked
I'm not saying what he's doing is OK or he should get away with breaking the law but they seriously need to sort out the justice system  |
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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago
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"Frankly I think he's a fucking arsehole. The law is the law and whether we agree or disagree with it, it is there and has to be adhered to. This guy has obviously broken the law and acted with utter contempt for the law, therefore he needs to be punished in accordance with the law"
But its not illegal tobe naked in public |
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"Frankly I think he's a fucking arsehole. The law is the law and whether we agree or disagree with it, it is there and has to be adhered to. This guy has obviously broken the law and acted with utter contempt for the law, therefore he needs to be punished in accordance with the law
But its not illegal tobe naked in public "
Then that's not what he gets arrested for then is it. He is obviously breaking some laws or he wouldn't have gone to jail numerous times. |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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The people on here saying the law is the law have no idea what they are talking about.
In Scottish law there is no statutory offence, just the common law offence of offending public decency.
In other words a member of the public has been put in a state of fear or alarm.
The prosecution to prove this intention to upset to get a conviction.
Under English law there is still no offence of being naked in public but there are three other laws used to bring actions.
Indecent exposure - an offence under section 66 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003
Intentional harassment, alarm or distress - under section 4A of the Public Order Act 1986
Outraging public decency - under common law
The last of which could be used to charge all on here who use swear words, just a thought. |
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"The people on here saying the law is the law have no idea what they are talking about.
In Scottish law there is no statutory offence, just the common law offence of offending public decency.
In other words a member of the public has been put in a state of fear or alarm.
The prosecution to prove this intention to upset to get a conviction.
Under English law there is still no offence of being naked in public but there are three other laws used to bring actions.
Indecent exposure - an offence under section 66 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003
Intentional harassment, alarm or distress - under section 4A of the Public Order Act 1986
Outraging public decency - under common law
The last of which could be used to charge all on here who use swear words, just a thought. "
Right....so he is found guilty of breaking any of those laws depending on where he is being naked. So the law is the law lol just because there isn't a law about being naked doesn't mean he isn't breaking the law by being naked. |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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No it’s about how laws are bent to suit the situation.
There is no specific law in Scotland where he keeps being jailed.
Outraging public decency if a group of people decide among themselves that they are outraged by the word GREEN if someone uses the word GREEN they can then claim that the use of the word outraged public decency and the offender could be jailed up to 7 years for the use of the word.
Note I have deliberately chosen an extreme example.
What this means is there are no set rules in these common law cases it depends what "the public" decide is a breach at any specific time or place.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The people on here saying the law is the law have no idea what they are talking about.
In Scottish law there is no statutory offence, just the common law offence of offending public decency.
In other words a member of the public has been put in a state of fear or alarm.
The prosecution to prove this intention to upset to get a conviction.
Under English law there is still no offence of being naked in public but there are three other laws used to bring actions.
Indecent exposure - an offence under section 66 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003
Intentional harassment, alarm or distress - under section 4A of the Public Order Act 1986
Outraging public decency - under common law
The last of which could be used to charge all on here who use swear words, just a thought. "
So the judges/magistrates are all wrong then and this guy's done nothing wrong ? |
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"The people on here saying the law is the law have no idea what they are talking about.
In Scottish law there is no statutory offence, just the common law offence of offending public decency.
In other words a member of the public has been put in a state of fear or alarm.
The prosecution to prove this intention to upset to get a conviction.
Under English law there is still no offence of being naked in public but there are three other laws used to bring actions.
Indecent exposure - an offence under section 66 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003
Intentional harassment, alarm or distress - under section 4A of the Public Order Act 1986
Outraging public decency - under common law
The last of which could be used to charge all on here who use swear words, just a thought.
So the judges/magistrates are all wrong then and this guy's done nothing wrong ?"
Just because something's 'a law' doesn't mean it's 'right'. Some country's have crazy law's. I think as human being's we know in our hearts some law's and there punishments are just plain wrong. |
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There is a phrase in law that says 'The law should be applied in the SPIRIT of the law'. That is supposed to protect people from prosecution where a law may have been broken but no crime has taken place. Such is the case with the Rambler, while it might be construed that he has 'technically' broken a law, he has not actually committed any crime. |
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