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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Convincing" its a word you will see on many t'girl profiles and its a word often associated with looking attractive,very odd,lol
You could look convincing n look like an old granny for example lol n that's fine after all being convincing is all about blending in as a real female.
if you can walk down the street n no one knows then yer convincing, well done.
im not sure ive seen many "convincing" ones,,quite a few that look utterly fabulous mind you.
My tip to look "convincing" wear leggings ,trainers tie yer hair back a baggy sweat shirt n push a pram with a few screaming toddlers in tow round the super market  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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""Convincing" its a word you will see on many t'girl profiles and its a word often associated with looking attractive,very odd,lol
You could look convincing n look like an old granny for example lol n that's fine after all being convincing is all about blending in as a real female.
if you can walk down the street n no one knows then yer convincing, well done.
im not sure ive seen many "convincing" ones,,quite a few that look utterly fabulous mind you.
My tip to look "convincing" wear leggings ,trainers tie yer hair back a baggy sweat shirt n push a pram with a few screaming toddlers in tow round the super market "
I am 'convincing' as a man. In that, when I go out strangers often address me with male pronouns (or gender neutral pronouns).
I wouldn't suggest in a million years that I am an 'attractive' man. Certainly I'm not comparable with societies hyper-masculine ideals of male beauty.
I aspire to have attractive androgyny, which has somewhat different ideals than the traditional gender binary.
I have dated a few men who like to wear clothes that were traditionally reserved for women. None of them ever wanted to be mistaken for a woman, all of them were beautiful in their mix'n'match androgyny. Their long, muscular legs and their slim waists and flat tummies, but with a square jaw and 'male' haircut - hot!
It's all interesting though, isn't it? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I think there is a massive percentage of TV's that aren't attempting to be a woman at all and just enjoy wearing women's clothes.
They are convincing TV's.  "
How true and good on them im all for it,but loads put convincing on their profiles. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ahh, the difference between CD's & Tv's (Most Ts are beyond the 'convincing' stage IMO).
To be 'convincing' is like 'beauty'...it only resides in the eye of the beholder.
Yes, you can be authentic subject to your surroundings but you might find it hard having the kids, council flat & fags paid for shouldn't be an issue and even some NHS funded treatment if your really serious!
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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""Convincing" its a word you will see on many t'girl profiles and its a word often associated with looking attractive,very odd,lol
You could look convincing n look like an old granny for example lol n that's fine after all being convincing is all about blending in as a real female.
if you can walk down the street n no one knows then yer convincing, well done.
im not sure ive seen many "convincing" ones,,quite a few that look utterly fabulous mind you.
My tip to look "convincing" wear leggings ,trainers tie yer hair back a baggy sweat shirt n push a pram with a few screaming toddlers in tow round the super market
I am 'convincing' as a man. In that, when I go out strangers often address me with male pronouns (or gender neutral pronouns).
I wouldn't suggest in a million years that I am an 'attractive' man. Certainly I'm not comparable with societies hyper-masculine ideals of male beauty.
I aspire to have attractive androgyny, which has somewhat different ideals than the traditional gender binary.
I have dated a few men who like to wear clothes that were traditionally reserved for women. None of them ever wanted to be mistaken for a woman, all of them were beautiful in their mix'n'match androgyny. Their long, muscular legs and their slim waists and flat tummies, but with a square jaw and 'male' haircut - hot!
It's all interesting though, isn't it?"
yeap,,I like that you put "attractive androgyny" as that's another word like convincing that is often miss used on sites like this to suggest attractive.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Ahh, the difference between CD's & Tv's (Most Ts are beyond the 'convincing' stage IMO).
To be 'convincing' is like 'beauty'...it only resides in the eye of the beholder.
Yes, you can be authentic subject to your surroundings but you might find it hard having the kids, council flat & fags paid for shouldn't be an issue and even some NHS funded treatment if your really serious!
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not talkin bout ts's,,btw not all ts's look like gorgeous porn stars as most guys on here seem to think.
or behave like porn stars as most guys on here think. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"When I say convincing I mean feminine. Not some gravely voiced bloke in a frock and wig, poorly applied makeup with stubble on his chin and stumbling around in heels like a wounded buffalo."
Me n my girlfriend where out n bout in Manchester a while back n this guy approached us ,nice guy very friendly,he was gay so not interested in chatting us up just a friendly guy n we had a few drinks,,,,lol then he asked if we where ts,,,pmsl,my gf was well pissed off.
oh how I laughed |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I guess it depends on why the t'girl wants to look convincing . What I mean is , does she just want to blend in and not draw attention to herself ( such as the ops analogy ) or does she want to court attention and be deemed attractive ?
We have friends in both categories , and it has to be said the former is the easiest to achieve .
Once the t'girl gets into pulling mode so to speak there seems a tendency to overdo it , and it becomes less convincing . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I guess it depends on why the t'girl wants to look convincing . What I mean is , does she just want to blend in and not draw attention to herself ( such as the ops analogy ) or does she want to court attention and be deemed attractive ?
We have friends in both categories , and it has to be said the former is the easiest to achieve .
Once the t'girl gets into pulling mode so to speak there seems a tendency to overdo it , and it becomes less convincing . "
I pull very quietly using chloraform  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ahh, the difference between CD's & Tv's (Most Ts are beyond the 'convincing' stage IMO).
To be 'convincing' is like 'beauty'...it only resides in the eye of the beholder.
Yes, you can be authentic subject to your surroundings but you might find it hard having the kids, council flat & fags paid for shouldn't be an issue and even some NHS funded treatment if your really serious!
not talkin bout ts's,,btw not all ts's look like gorgeous porn stars as most guys on here seem to think.
or behave like porn stars as most guys on here think."
Oh, ok...I don't remember making any assumptions on anyones behaviour so not sure why you felt the need to do your bit for TS in response to my comment which clearly seperated them from the 'convincing' debate.
Always easy to discount someones opinion based on a sweeping generlisation though...just what this world of acceptance needs to move forward. In fairness, a large amount of TS do go on to work in the sex industry & most male's experience of Ts is solely through porn so let's not be so quick to throw the book at the guys lil lady  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I guess it depends on why the t'girl wants to look convincing . What I mean is , does she just want to blend in and not draw attention to herself ( such as the ops analogy ) or does she want to court attention and be deemed attractive ?
We have friends in both categories , and it has to be said the former is the easiest to achieve .
Once the t'girl gets into pulling mode so to speak there seems a tendency to overdo it , and it becomes less convincing .
I pull very quietly using chloraform "
What happened where am I? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think everyone on this site is trying to convince someone. Sometimes it's other people. Sometimes it's a partner, quite often though it's themselves.
There are some truly stunning TVs on this site who are better looking, more feminine, more attractive than I ever could be.
Main thing is that everyone is accepting of themselves. Regardless of label or style. Without that then I feel you'd really struggle on here. x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I think everyone on this site is trying to convince someone. Sometimes it's other people. Sometimes it's a partner, quite often though it's themselves.
There are some truly stunning TVs on this site who are better looking, more feminine, more attractive than I ever could be.
Main thing is that everyone is accepting of themselves. Regardless of label or style. Without that then I feel you'd really struggle on here. x"
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"Some days I look in the mirror and find it hard to convince myself I'm female. I should make more of an effort "
Me too If it weren't for the boobs, I'd look like a guy right now. Possibly a prepubescent boy actually.. But male all the same |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Ahh, the difference between CD's & Tv's (Most Ts are beyond the 'convincing' stage IMO).
To be 'convincing' is like 'beauty'...it only resides in the eye of the beholder.
Yes, you can be authentic subject to your surroundings but you might find it hard having the kids, council flat & fags paid for shouldn't be an issue and even some NHS funded treatment if your really serious!
not talkin bout ts's,,btw not all ts's look like gorgeous porn stars as most guys on here seem to think.
or behave like porn stars as most guys on here think.
Oh, ok...I don't remember making any assumptions on anyones behaviour so not sure why you felt the need to do your bit for TS in response to my comment which clearly seperated them from the 'convincing' debate.
Always easy to discount someones opinion based on a sweeping generlisation though...just what this world of acceptance needs to move forward. In fairness, a large amount of TS do go on to work in the sex industry & most male's experience of Ts is solely through porn so let's not be so quick to throw the book at the guys lil lady "
no but you mentioned ts's,,anyway not having a go at your opinion |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Are YOU comfortable with who you are? That will come across to others. You can dress as sexy as you like but if you don't believe in yourself you are pissing in the wind.
That goes for everybody |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Are YOU comfortable with who you are? That will come across to others. You can dress as sexy as you like but if you don't believe in yourself you are pissing in the wind.
That goes for everybody "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Are YOU comfortable with who you are? That will come across to others. You can dress as sexy as you like but if you don't believe in yourself you are pissing in the wind.
That goes for everybody "
Extremely comfortable |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've lived with a drag artist before. And I've sold ice cream to 800 people in the stalls whilst a post op ts that i worked with was shaking her thang next to me. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
Titz Towers, North Notts |
Convincing is a phrase that irritates me.
1, I get asked if I'm convincing - got enough pics on my profile for them to tell me and also convincing enough to go shopping in Tesco or hit a few pubs at night?
2, a lot of TG use the phrase on here, but also hide their faces, which seems a bit counterintuitive. If you are that convincing, no one would recognise you.
3, I've seen TS who are stunning, but also a lot who are very far from the porn star look and only convince as a lady of a certain age, who hasn't made much of an effort that day.
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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I find it's mostly men who want a TV to be "convincing" so they can still feel comfortable with calling themselves straight.
I just like a TV to have dehaired and made a bit of effort. I'm not into body hair anyway and hairy legs sprouting through fishnets or a hairy chest under a silky chemise, (don't start me on hairy backs!) simply isn't a good look. Beyond that, I'm far more interested in the person than whether they really look like a woman.
I've been out with a few TVs, sometimes for coffee or drinks in vanilla venues. One told me she thinks I'm "bold". She made a lot of effort but no, she wasn't "convincing". I liked her and was comfortable in her company and found her interesting to talk to. Why wouldn't I want to go out in public with her? Accepting someone for who they are is nothing to be ashamed of. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"There are some truly stunning TVs on this site who are better looking, more feminine, more attractive than I ever could be."
Agreed. And the cows always have gorgeous legs up to their armpits!
"Main thing is that everyone is accepting of themselves. Regardless of label or style. Without that then I feel you'd really struggle on here. x"
Oh no, it's quite possible (as a woman) to be successful on here without and confidence or self-esteem. It's not necessarily healthy (though it does help some rather than hurt) but it's entirely possible. It's not even that uncommon.
A lot of women with low self-esteem use casual sex to self-medicate and on here, as a woman, attention and casual sex is easy to come by, (if that's all you want and aren't too specific in what you're looking for). |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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2, a lot of TG use the phrase on here, but also hide their faces, which seems a bit counterintuitive. If you are that convincing, no one would recognise you.
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I don't agree with that.
If you are TG - i.e. transgender - then this is how you look *every day*. So people would recognise you, because that's how you always look.
I am somewhat transgender (ftm). I look like this every day. Sometimes I look a bit more feminine, sometimes a bit more masculine, but my face is my face and I can't change that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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not talkin bout ts's,,btw not all ts's look like gorgeous porn stars as most guys on here seem to think.
or behave like porn stars as most guys on here think."
I think some guys on here have a straight idea of what transpeople are. I originally had a 'TV/TS' profile on here, and I used to get guys all the time asking if I'd had the surgery done to give me a vagina. When I replied I already had a vagina but I was considering having it turned into a penis, I was called such awful things, all the time.
You just get treated like a sex toy though. A doll that they want to dress up like porn.
But even as a woman you get that. I get send instructions in the first memo saying 'you'll wear stockings, stilettos, lots of make up and no knickers under your dress, right?' and then I have to educate them that, no, I don't wear high heels, or dresses, or make up. Ever.
It must be even worse on here if you are trans*, the expectation to perform must be awful. |
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"Are YOU comfortable with who you are? That will come across to others. You can dress as sexy as you like but if you don't believe in yourself you are pissing in the wind.
That goes for everybody "
You'll ruin your reputation by saying lovely and supporting things like that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Are YOU comfortable with who you are? That will come across to others. You can dress as sexy as you like but if you don't believe in yourself you are pissing in the wind.
That goes for everybody
You'll ruin your reputation by saying lovely and supporting things like that."
my reputation can't get any lower |
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By *carineMan
over a year ago
Armthorpe, Doncaster |
"Society is just crap, everyone just looking for every little imperfection and then go in for the kill, so shallow."
All of which reminds me how convincing a transgender angelina Jolie is becoming bit by bit... |
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By *irceWoman
over a year ago
Gloucester |
For all those TS who do not have the money to look oh sooo fab and have to deal with the public until they just snap and commit suicide i feel for.
The silent lonely death which stalks, my kind!
but hey its a larff anit it... |
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"Nikki I actually thought you were a woman when I first saw you on the forums! You're absolutely gorgeous and I love your make up!"
That's because you need your eyes testing . . . . . . . . It's Mikki, not Nikki.
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And I'm joking. |
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"For all those TS who do not have the money to look oh sooo fab and have to deal with the public until they just snap and commit suicide i feel for.
The silent lonely death which stalks, my kind!
but hey its a larff anit it... "
Jess, I really don't think anyone is laughing at TS's, I certainly wasn't.
My comment was aimed at blokes who 'dress', have a male mode and have no intention of transitioning. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nikki I actually thought you were a woman when I first saw you on the forums! You're absolutely gorgeous and I love your make up!
That's because you need your eyes testing . . . . . . . . It's Mikki, not Nikki.
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And I'm joking."
Stupid bloody autocorrect!!! -.- |
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"Nikki I actually thought you were a woman when I first saw you on the forums! You're absolutely gorgeous and I love your make up!
That's because you need your eyes testing . . . . . . . . It's Mikki, not Nikki.
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And I'm joking.
Stupid bloody autocorrect!!! -.-"
I realised what had happened when I was tapping in the above. I had to correct the autocorrect. |
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By *irceWoman
over a year ago
Gloucester |
"For all those TS who do not have the money to look oh sooo fab and have to deal with the public until they just snap and commit suicide i feel for.
The silent lonely death which stalks, my kind!
but hey its a larff anit it...
Jess, I really don't think anyone is laughing at TS's, I certainly wasn't.
My comment was aimed at blokes who 'dress', have a male mode and have no intention of transitioning."
Ts who cannot afford medical interventions are deemed as men in frocks....you see its not as easy as you try to put across, how do you know they are not transitioning? many people go straight from the CDing world into full time thinking that is how to dress.
The LGB...T is full of hate for the TS also, weird who would think it.
Not a spokes person for TS as i go my own way, just years of abuse from people who get the shock of there lives when i fire back!
And posts like this iss me off.
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"For all those TS who do not have the money to look oh sooo fab and have to deal with the public until they just snap and commit suicide i feel for.
The silent lonely death which stalks, my kind!
but hey its a larff anit it...
Jess, I really don't think anyone is laughing at TS's, I certainly wasn't.
My comment was aimed at blokes who 'dress', have a male mode and have no intention of transitioning.
Ts who cannot afford medical interventions are deemed as men in frocks....you see its not as easy as you try to put across, how do you know they are not transitioning? many people go straight from the CDing world into full time thinking that is how to dress.
The LGB...T is full of hate for the TS also, weird who would think it.
Not a spokes person for TS as i go my own way, just years of abuse from people who get the shock of there lives when i fire back!
And posts like this iss me off.
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Fair enough, you're determined to take umbrage no matter what. |
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By *irceWoman
over a year ago
Gloucester |
"For all those TS who do not have the money to look oh sooo fab and have to deal with the public until they just snap and commit suicide i feel for.
The silent lonely death which stalks, my kind!
but hey its a larff anit it...
Jess, I really don't think anyone is laughing at TS's, I certainly wasn't.
My comment was aimed at blokes who 'dress', have a male mode and have no intention of transitioning.
Ts who cannot afford medical interventions are deemed as men in frocks....you see its not as easy as you try to put across, how do you know they are not transitioning? many people go straight from the CDing world into full time thinking that is how to dress.
The LGB...T is full of hate for the TS also, weird who would think it.
Not a spokes person for TS as i go my own way, just years of abuse from people who get the shock of there lives when i fire back!
And posts like this iss me off.
Fair enough, you're determined to take umbrage no matter what."
I have to live around the cruel so yes it sort of does make me a tad cross to see this sort of thing on the net...no excuses for being a git!
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"For all those TS who do not have the money to look oh sooo fab and have to deal with the public until they just snap and commit suicide i feel for.
The silent lonely death which stalks, my kind!
but hey its a larff anit it...
Jess, I really don't think anyone is laughing at TS's, I certainly wasn't.
My comment was aimed at blokes who 'dress', have a male mode and have no intention of transitioning.
Ts who cannot afford medical interventions are deemed as men in frocks....you see its not as easy as you try to put across, how do you know they are not transitioning? many people go straight from the CDing world into full time thinking that is how to dress.
The LGB...T is full of hate for the TS also, weird who would think it.
Not a spokes person for TS as i go my own way, just years of abuse from people who get the shock of there lives when i fire back!
And posts like this iss me off.
Fair enough, you're determined to take umbrage no matter what.
I have to live around the cruel so yes it sort of does make me a tad cross to see this sort of thing on the net...no excuses for being a git!
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Some people get shit not for what they are, but who they are. Think about that |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Someone is convinced about you Mikki...you got a mention of honour in a Scottish thread recently...we should start you a fan club x
http://m.fabswingers.com/forum/scotland/368699 |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Nikki I actually thought you were a woman when I first saw you on the forums! You're absolutely gorgeous and I love your make up!
That's because you need your eyes testing . . . . . . . . It's Mikki, not Nikki.
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And I'm joking.
Stupid bloody autocorrect!!! -.-"
lol,,awe shucks ty,X |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Society is just crap, everyone just looking for every little imperfection and then go in for the kill, so shallow."
That's human nature and what women have put up with for centuries.
I would,nt dwell on it,try n embrace the positives in life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Society is just crap, everyone just looking for every little imperfection and then go in for the kill, so shallow.
All of which reminds me how convincing a transgender angelina Jolie is becoming bit by bit..."
Apparently my post got removed for saying what I thought of you.
So I'll say this instead.
I've never read something so utterly wrong and insensitive. Insensitive to Jolie who is undergoing lifesaving surgery, insensitive to those who do not have typically busty glamour model proportions, and insensitive to transgender people who you are mocking with your comments.
Such very unkind words from a fellow human being. So very unnecessary. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Society is just crap, everyone just looking for every little imperfection and then go in for the kill, so shallow.
All of which reminds me how convincing a transgender angelina Jolie is becoming bit by bit...
Apparently my post got removed for saying what I thought of you.
So I'll say this instead.
I've never read something so utterly wrong and insensitive. Insensitive to Jolie who is undergoing lifesaving surgery, insensitive to those who do not have typically busty glamour model proportions, and insensitive to transgender people who you are mocking with your comments.
Such very unkind words from a fellow human being. So very unnecessary."
I agree its pretty vile,,why that post wasn't removed I,ll never know. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ok where are we with this thread now, tranny worship or hag fag rage?
Hag fag? What is that?
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Opposite of fag hag which is a derogatory term for a female who hangs around gay guys
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ok where are we with this thread now, tranny worship or hag fag rage?
Hag fag? What is that?
Opposite of fag hag which is a derogatory term for a female who hangs around gay guys
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It's generally not derogatory btw... it's a self identifying and reclaimed term.
I am a fag hag, I hang out with my gay friends at gay clubs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ok where are we with this thread now, tranny worship or hag fag rage?
Hag fag? What is that?
Opposite of fag hag which is a derogatory term for a female who hangs around gay guys
It's generally not derogatory btw... it's a self identifying and reclaimed term.
I am a fag hag, I hang out with my gay friends at gay clubs."
I didn't think it was derogatory either,I was always called a fag hag in my teens,all my friends were gay and I was always in gay clubs |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Society is just crap, everyone just looking for every little imperfection and then go in for the kill, so shallow.
All of which reminds me how convincing a transgender angelina Jolie is becoming bit by bit...
Apparently my post got removed for saying what I thought of you.
So I'll say this instead.
I've never read something so utterly wrong and insensitive. Insensitive to Jolie who is undergoing lifesaving surgery, insensitive to those who do not have typically busty glamour model proportions, and insensitive to transgender people who you are mocking with your comments.
Such very unkind words from a fellow human being. So very unnecessary.
I agree its pretty vile,,why that post wasn't removed I,ll never know."
Tits and a womb do not make a woman, in my job I work with many cancer patients many have had mastectomies some double mastectomies they are no less a woman than me, I spend hours a day talking to women who feel having this op will make them less femanine and trying to reassure them it will not to read the above is offensive to me
To suggest someome is a transgender for having their brests/womb removed for medical reason is ridiculous |
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""Convincing" its a word you will see on many t'girl profiles and its a word often associated with looking attractive,very odd,lol
You could look convincing n look like an old granny for example lol n that's fine after all being convincing is all about blending in as a real female.
if you can walk down the street n no one knows then yer convincing, well done.
im not sure ive seen many "convincing" ones,,quite a few that look utterly fabulous mind you.
My tip to look "convincing" wear leggings ,trainers tie yer hair back a baggy sweat shirt n push a pram with a few screaming toddlers in tow round the super market "
You forgot the most important thing.
Sit down when you're having s piss
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