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over a year ago
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I wonder if they'll be visiting Buckingham Palace, as I heard on the news this morning her Majesty had asked the government for help in paying her utility bills. They came to just under £1m, but the old dear is struggling with £300m under her mattress!! 
The people on the Jeremy Kyle show do get my goat, but the thought of the Queen asking for a handout as she "struggling" is infinitely worse!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The queen is just a waste of tax payers money
Why should i pay money to keep her when im struggling to bring up 3 kids on my own?
They say she brings revenue into the country, fair enough so let the country keep her, why should t**ts like me be taxed to keep her and the goverment and tax man make money out of her? |
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"I wonder if they'll be visiting Buckingham Palace, as I heard on the news this morning her Majesty had asked the government for help in paying her utility bills. They came to just under £1m, but the old dear is struggling with £300m under her mattress!!
The people on the Jeremy Kyle show do get my goat, but the thought of the Queen asking for a handout as she "struggling" is infinitely worse!! "
I'm positive it's not as clear cut as that. She knows full well that the backlash the Royal Family would get will be huge if she's asking for personal utility bills to be met by the state. If she is asking for assistance with the many stately homes occupied by the Royals but are open to the public then I believe she has a case. If gate reciepts are not covering the bills then she should not be expected to cough up out of her own money. The state are happy to take a cut from the profits when times are good so it must also be expected to bear a brunt of the burden when times are harder. No visitors means no income, and these homes are expensive to maintain and run. They are also an asset to our country and *should* be maintained properly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Look closely at Kyle - he's wearing a scarf inside the house of the people he's interviewing. The house may look well appointed but I suspect the heating isn't on as they can't afford it... or it's just not as warm as Kyle's toasty home he's just come from. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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At least she provides something to the economy, I'm not a royalist, but I do recognise that this country does well of the back of her presence and the millions that fly in just to look at a palace with the hope of catching a glimpse of HRH
I'm watching folk with 50" plasmas justifying it because they saved for it...from their benefits, a couple who get rent and council tax paid and still get £1700pm and a poor boy who claims that benefits are actually minimal and they should get paid more...apparently he is driven to steal to feed his need |
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By *mf4BxJCouple
over a year ago
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Not to forget the benifits that aren't actually cash...
Free perscription
Free study (the course I just paid £1200 to complete was full of people on fee waivers)
Free school dinners
Free specs
Free dental care
And it goes on and on.
I'm a mug for working. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I wonder if they'll be visiting Buckingham Palace, as I heard on the news this morning her Majesty had asked the government for help in paying her utility bills. They came to just under £1m, but the old dear is struggling with £300m under her mattress!!
The people on the Jeremy Kyle show do get my goat, but the thought of the Queen asking for a handout as she "struggling" is infinitely worse!!
I'm positive it's not as clear cut as that. She knows full well that the backlash the Royal Family would get will be huge if she's asking for personal utility bills to be met by the state. If she is asking for assistance with the many stately homes occupied by the Royals but are open to the public then I believe she has a case. If gate reciepts are not covering the bills then she should not be expected to cough up out of her own money. The state are happy to take a cut from the profits when times are good so it must also be expected to bear a brunt of the burden when times are harder. No visitors means no income, and these homes are expensive to maintain and run. They are also an asset to our country and *should* be maintained properly."
Oh I agree!
But I'm a simple gal and was looking at it in a simplistic way: if you have personal wealth of £300m, your family gets £38m from the Civil List - it takes some chutzpah to ask the tax payers to cough up another £1m for your lekkie!!  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Look closely at Kyle - he's wearing a scarf inside the house of the people he's interviewing. The house may look well appointed but I suspect the heating isn't on as they can't afford it... or it's just not as warm as Kyle's toasty home he's just come from."
quite right, how are they supposed to pay heating bills on top of their holidays to egypt, bulgaria and portugal...in the last 2 yrs
that £296 a week disposable must be difficult |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The guy he's talking to now has a goddam point though. Who in their right mind would give up £x for a lot less £x he'd get working?
It's the system that's allowing him to do it. He'd be a fool not to.
What will be interesting is if this govt bring in the £400/week cap in housing benefits that they promised in the election pledges. Although tbh, £1600/month would sort our mortgage out no sweat.
What pisses me off is that the money they receive does NOT go towards utility bills. It should! |
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By *mf4BxJCouple
over a year ago
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The problem with the housing benifit though is the landlords will charge the maximum the goverment will pay - and why shouldn't they take advantage?
House opposite us is a private DSS rent and it's the equivlent of £750 a month. We wouldn't get that for renting our house out on the normal market but it's the max for the number of bedrooms the landlord can charge and they are quite obviously going to charge that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The problem with the housing benifit though is the landlords will charge the maximum the goverment will pay - and why shouldn't they take advantage?
House opposite us is a private DSS rent and it's the equivlent of £750 a month. We wouldn't get that for renting our house out on the normal market but it's the max for the number of bedrooms the landlord can charge and they are quite obviously going to charge that."
I know. By accepting DSS tenants landlords are basically getting the mortgage paid by the state and earning them a nice little pension for later in life. No outlay for the mortgage, no outlay for the increase in value, and no outlay for the money they'll get later in life when they sell it. What a no brainer.
Bring back work houses!! |
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By *mf4BxJCouple
over a year ago
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We worked out once we'd be better of splitting up, taking my name of the mortgage then have him rent it back to me DSS, charge top dollar, get mortgage more than paid and bank the rest. Perfect!
I'm behind on the JK show (sky plussed it) and watching that 27 year old with 6 kids. There is no way as a couple they have the earning capacity to top the £1700 they get a month and start paying their rent etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Look closely at Kyle - he's wearing a scarf inside the house of the people he's interviewing. The house may look well appointed but I suspect the heating isn't on as they can't afford it... or it's just not as warm as Kyle's toasty home he's just come from.
quite right, how are they supposed to pay heating bills on top of their holidays to egypt, bulgaria and portugal...in the last 2 yrs
that £296 a week disposable must be difficult"
B****y Hell! I'm handing my notice in and having another couple of babies!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The queen is just a waste of tax payers money
Why should i pay money to keep her when im struggling to bring up 3 kids on my own?
They say she brings revenue into the country, fair enough so let the country keep her, why should t**ts like me be taxed to keep her and the goverment and tax man make money out of her?"
sorry but thats a very blinkered view.
the queen generates way more money than she costs, and thats with out taking in to acount all the work generated overseas by her state visits.
can you say the same? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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well what makes me laugh is no one in ere as mentioned the business men women company's that robb the goverment and tax payers of these amounts daily and more with off shore banks and knowing they can pay good accountents to hide or bend things there way, and we and the sun and klye are lookin at slaggin benefits when most ive seen dont seem to be rich make sme laugh politician's bankers, goverment officail and by the way civil servants on the sick with full pay and not sick just using the system, its a joke pick on the poor lmao |
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By *o DaddyMan
over a year ago
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the bloke who said the bosses would prefer to employ polish(and other eastern european)workers at £3-4 an hour less and let the british worker fend for himsself is spot on!,when my mates got laid off from heathrow airport contract they tried other employers on the terminal 5 site but were told "we are only employing polish or portugese worker!",even though they were skilled with proven work history!. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I love the irony of it all, bankers lose us billions and put us into recession and yes an old school pal of mine at RBS is still on over a half a mill bonus again and yet there is now a concentration on benefit fraud - the benefit system needs to be checked yet the services that will be cut will be the ones that are in place to check them. Yes there are abusers but there are many genuine claimants looking for work and many on genuine disabilities that need help now and I fear it will be they that are victimised over a scandal that was made by people who are back to raking in vast sums for putting us all in debt to the tune of £30k each. |
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By *mf4BxJCouple
over a year ago
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No one is picking on the poor 'lmao'. People are, quite rightly, angry at the blatent disregard of work ethic and people making the decision to live of the state.
You make a valid point about tax dodgers at the other end of the scale but that's not what this thread was about - maybe that's why no one has mentioned it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"the bloke who said the bosses would prefer to employ polish(and other eastern european)workers at £3-4 an hour less and let the british worker fend for himsself is spot on!,when my mates got laid off from heathrow airport contract they tried other employers on the terminal 5 site but were told "we are only employing polish or portugese worker!",even though they were skilled with proven work history!."
He should have called the police there and then as the company were breaking employment laws with their discrimination against British people, as well as probably employing a few illegals too. PM me the name of the company, I'll fookin do it in a heartbeat if you don't want to get involved personally. All it takes is a well placed phone call.  |
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how do they do it ?i had my leg off on 13 june and still not had a penny from dss sikness or invalidity benefits it just amazes me all i,ve had is a leaflet saying we,ll help you back to work. we are skint trying to live off beckys wage lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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valid point yes there is people takin advantage on benefits but like i said many people police,fire,civil servants doin the same with there jobs with stress related illness,ss on full pay tax dodgers in business count that all up and it will be more than any benefit ammount to this goverment but nothing ever gets said about thesetax robbers or fakes illness,s, as to the guy about the polish workers im in the building trade and seen my wages drop by 3 pounds a hr because of cheap workers from abroad i worked in a studio set building and saw 10 lads get replaced by cheap foreign workers and i also see many foriegn nationals gettin more help with housing benefits than us nationals who hav puit in to this country |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"how do they do it ?i had my leg off on 13 june and still not had a penny from dss sikness or invalidity benefits it just amazes me all i,ve had is a leaflet saying we,ll help you back to work. we are skint trying to live off beckys wage lol "
You don't have a network of skivers and scroungers on facebook telling you every little scam going like they do.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i do feel sorry for those gen people out of work, but there are too many who arent looking for work.
why not make them earn their dole by working, doing jobs that taxpayers have to pay for, like cutting grass in parks or some other usefull job |
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By *o DaddyMan
over a year ago
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"the bloke who said the bosses would prefer to employ polish(and other eastern european)workers at £3-4 an hour less and let the british worker fend for himsself is spot on!,when my mates got laid off from heathrow airport contract they tried other employers on the terminal 5 site but were told "we are only employing polish or portugese worker!",even though they were skilled with proven work history!.
He should have called the police there and then as the company were breaking employment laws with their discrimination against British people, as well as probably employing a few illegals too. PM me the name of the company, I'll fookin do it in a heartbeat if you don't want to get involved personally. All it takes is a well placed phone call. "
unfortnatly i don't know the names of the companies that he contacted on the T5 heathrow site but it was later discovered during testing of the baggage handling system that many of the 100's of temporary workers taken on by BAA for the loading of the baggage were illegals!,many of them were somali muslims!,how easy for them to cause havoc by planting suspect devices in the heart of the nations travel hub?.
security?,laughable isn't it?. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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creating more cheap labourer that is exactly what the goverment wants, yes they are people using benefit system but makin them work for dole is not the answer, helping creating better minimum wage so people can live of it, helping school leavers in apprentice yts etc etc cutting foriegn nationals comin in the coutry creating more work for uk nationals |
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"I wonder if they'll be visiting Buckingham Palace, as I heard on the news this morning her Majesty had asked the government for help in paying her utility bills. They came to just under £1m, but the old dear is struggling with £300m under her mattress!!
The people on the Jeremy Kyle show do get my goat, but the thought of the Queen asking for a handout as she "struggling" is infinitely worse!! "
you can look at it any way you like
but just as people get jobseekers , or income support , the money the queen gets IS A BENIFIT
she is the queen of the scroungers , and does it in "the best possible taste"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"creating more cheap labourer that is exactly what the goverment wants, yes they are people using benefit system but makin them work for dole is not the answer, helping creating better minimum wage so people can live of it, helping school leavers in apprentice yts etc etc cutting foriegn nationals comin in the coutry creating more work for uk nationals "
Are you trying to turn this into a rant at the immigrants taking our jobs thread?!!
Just asking like! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i do feel sorry for those gen people out of work, but there are too many who arent looking for work.
why not make them earn their dole by working, doing jobs that taxpayers have to pay for, like cutting grass in parks or some other usefull job"
And what do we do with all the resulting unemployed council workers who do a fantastic job of looking after our public parks picking up dog shit that careless dog owners haven't picked up after their pooches. What happens to those genuine workers?
Get the idle back to work sure, but let's not get back to the system past governments tried of creating jobs for the sake of getting the unemployed figures down. If there are genuine jobs that can be found then the long term unemployed should be looked at first, but I wouldn't want someone looking after essential public services doing it only because they are threatened with benefit cuts if they don't - what kind of levels of service do you think we'd be getting if we take that approach?
It's the culture of thinking it's ok to spend one's life living off the state that we have to change and I've said it before on other threads, they need to be shamed for believing that that's ok. I said jokingly above "bring back the workhouses" but if that was looked at more seriously then a workable solution could be found to address the scrounger culture that exists in Britain today. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The uk is a good place to come to work. You cannot claim financial assistance here until you have been working for more than a year. But if after that time it is good that the state does not let you starve. I did not know you could claim such large sums of help though. I can understand why some people do not feel the need to work. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The forthcoming cap on immigration should go some way to addressing the problem of an influx of workers chasing after a reducing number of jobs and competing with local workers for them. It won't apply to EU citizens though and that encapsulates some 350m people, so it's going to be very difficult to find jobs for British workers with such a huge number of economic migrants coming here from EU countries, and, as the poster above said, they only have to be here for a year, working or not, and they then get access to all the benefits they manage to discover.
There should be a three year or five year tarrif set for foreigners climbing onto the benefit system over here. At least that would deter some of them from even contemplating arriving on our shores with their caps already glued to their open hands. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's the culture of thinking it's ok to spend one's life living off the state that we have to change and I've said it before on other threads, they need to be shamed for believing that that's ok. I said jokingly above "bring back the workhouses" but if that was looked at more seriously then a workable solution could be found to address the scrounger culture that exists in Britain today."
Well said that man!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The forthcoming cap on immigration should go some way to addressing the problem of an influx of workers chasing after a reducing number of jobs and competing with local workers for them. It won't apply to EU citizens though and that encapsulates some 350m people, so it's going to be very difficult to find jobs for British workers with such a huge number of economic migrants coming here from EU countries, and, as the poster above said, they only have to be here for a year, working or not, and they then get access to all the benefits they manage to discover.
There should be a three year or five year tarrif set for foreigners climbing onto the benefit system over here. At least that would deter some of them from even contemplating arriving on our shores with their caps already glued to their open hands."
Why should foreigners have to wait three years? That is most unfair after they have paid taxes. People who have never worked or paid taxes can claim assistance if born in the United Kingdom. People who have paid taxes should have priority over ones who have never contributed no matter where they originated from. |
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"The forthcoming cap on immigration should go some way to addressing the problem of an influx of workers chasing after a reducing number of jobs and competing with local workers for them. It won't apply to EU citizens though and that encapsulates some 350m people, so it's going to be very difficult to find jobs for British workers with such a huge number of economic migrants coming here from EU countries, and, as the poster above said, they only have to be here for a year, working or not, and they then get access to all the benefits they manage to discover.
There should be a three year or five year tarrif set for foreigners climbing onto the benefit system over here. At least that would deter some of them from even contemplating arriving on our shores with their caps already glued to their open hands.
Why should foreigners have to wait three years? That is most unfair after they have paid taxes. People who have never worked or paid taxes can claim assistance if born in the United Kingdom. People who have paid taxes should have priority over ones who have never contributed no matter where they originated from."
On come on now, stop it!!!
You know the answer to that!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No not at all. In many country's there is no system of benefit and support and people have to work. It is not hard to see why Britain is seen as a soft state.
But if you have contributed it is only fair that you can claim assistance between enployments. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just wanted to say, not everyone on benefits are better off or scroungers.
My husband has worked all his adult life in the building trade until February when he became unemployed,I am unable to work due to a disability, as we have no children living at home we are entitled to £102.50 a week JSA between us, we have our council tax paid for us but we do not get help with our mortgage as we had secured loans on it and now the house is going to be repossessed, This has put a strain on an already bad marriage and we are separating, so in one respect it's been good for me as I am getting out of this marriage. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not about to start whining with the poor little me bit but now I am going to be living on my own I will receive £65 week, because of my disability I will be receiving what they call ESA but I do not qualify for DLA, Yes my council tax will be paid and I will have most but not all of my rent paid for me I will have to top it up out of my benefit and I have worked it out that after I have paid for the rent top up, food, gas, electric, water etc I will have approx £2.00 a week for myself, not exactly enough to live a life of luxury on, so not everyone is better off on benefits |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This topic sets me off. We all know someone on a benifit of sum discription. They are too well off. But the biggest reaper of benifit may come as a supprise to most. FARMERS ! They get paid on everything, land, stock, buildings, walls etc. The more they have, the more they are entitled to. There is a site on the web. RPA. It tells wou how much they get. If you know a farmer, enter the details. It will shock you. Jo bloggs with 2 kids and a mortgage doesnt get any help like wot they do. Ahh, out of my system now.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No not at all. In many country's there is no system of benefit and support and people have to work. It is not hard to see why Britain is seen as a soft state.
But if you have contributed it is only fair that you can claim assistance between enployments."
"if you have contributed"
~ and that's the real crux of the matter. Often economic migrants to the UK have not contributed at all. They struggle here for a year, disappear off the radar at times, stay with friends or relatives who have already completed the qualifying criteria... and then, when the year is up, and they've learned about all the scams going from friends/relatives already doing it.. off they go to the DSS, with their greedy grubby little paws clutching a hatful of already completed forms and a bank account number to start receiving funds that they haven't earned.
THAT'S what pisses most of us off. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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my daughter is a single parent. through choice? no, her partner died,leaving our 28 year old daughter a widow and our grandson without a father.
she has had all the help she is entitled to from the state ,but is questioned about everything she does and god forbid she should make a mistake or fail to inform them of a change in circumstances as quickly as they would like.
on the other hand, know how to play the system? have it all. there's a poster in the jobcentre that says 'are you a crack cocaine or heroin addict? speak to an advisor and we'll help you out'
our daughter is now doing a midwifery course and our grandson is in nursery but it wasn't easy because if you actually want to make things better or yourself the social will find an obstacle to place in front of you.
if you want a 50" plasma in front of you learn how to play the system.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No not at all. In many country's there is no system of benefit and support and people have to work. It is not hard to see why Britain is seen as a soft state.
But if you have contributed it is only fair that you can claim assistance between enployments.
"if you have contributed"
~ and that's the real crux of the matter. Often economic migrants to the UK have not contributed at all. They struggle here for a year, disappear off the radar at times, stay with friends or relatives who have already completed the qualifying criteria... and then, when the year is up, and they've learned about all the scams going from friends/relatives already doing it.. off they go to the DSS, with their greedy grubby little paws clutching a hatful of already completed forms and a bank account number to start receiving funds that they haven't earned.
THAT'S what pisses most of us off. "
Its no worse that The Kyle crew who are becoming second generation benefit claimers. Most of the foreigners i have come across in the UK are here to work not claim. |
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there was a documentary on the other day about a woman that helped build a lancaster bomber in under 24 hours during the war
she worked in the factory all through the 5 years of the war doing 24 hour shifts
after the war the factory started doing other things and she was made redundant
she claimed the dole and got it for two weeks , the government then said they had found her work 150 miles away
she did not want to move away from her family , mother etc etc and refused it
thats when the government stopped her benifit and told her to fuck off
how times have changed |
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As a young fit and able bodied male I refuse to sign on as it should be for those that actually require it. Times have got hard and I have been tempted to join the bandwagon, how ever when you use hard earned money the sense of achievement is wonderful. I work 6 days a week from 7 or earlier to at least 5 usualy finished around 6 7 for 50 a day post tax and insurance. To supplement my wages also do night work when available. I am no shinning example of modern society, how ever I have self respect and also great respect for those that work hard.
An easy way with benifits, is to do a reform so that money given for bills should go straight to the supplier instead of the beneficiary. I have sympathy that many times the social funds will not cover all living expense's but those with the nous and ability can still survive comfortably and if they can't then they should strive to get a job. |
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"As a young fit and able bodied male I refuse to sign on as it should be for those that actually require it. Times have got hard and I have been tempted to join the bandwagon, how ever when you use hard earned money the sense of achievement is wonderful. I work 6 days a week from 7 or earlier to at least 5 usualy finished around 6 7 for 50 a day post tax and insurance. To supplement my wages also do night work when available. I am no shinning example of modern society, how ever I have self respect and also great respect for those that work hard.
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this bloke is 20. the most sensible post today. |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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When I worked for a company clearing out offices, they were told to collect all the furniuture out of an immigration office which they did. It arrived at the warehouse and then came out to us. The immigration people had't made a good job of clearing out because I found a file on just one family.
They had arrived in the UK illegally and had immediately signed on. They were put up in a hotel and a large cash payment to cover them until they got their first cheque. They were then given a house
The medical crap reads like you couldn't make it up! Mrs can't work because she has a heart condition. Mr can't work because he has a bad back. Oldest kid can't work because he has to look after mum & dad! Other kids, one enrolled in college (no English so translator brought in as she is depressed and wants to study!)Other kid was enroled in the local school and also had a translator and private English lessons.
They were to be deported but what with appeals, they were in the country 8 (yes, EIGHT!) years and now because the mothers heart condition has got worse, can't be sent back and have been given leave to stay!
Firstly, they should have been turned around at the airport as many other countries do.
Secondly, if they were allowed in they should have been able to support themselves and prove they could like many other countries do.
According to the documents, they were still recieving all their benefits 11 years after arriving and the kids have joined them on the gravy train because they are too depressed to work!
This document makes scary reading and just shows what a soft touch we are in the UK! Before this island sinks below the waves, lets get a backbone and tell the PC brigade to get lost! |
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"When I worked for a company clearing out offices, they were told to collect all the furniuture out of an immigration office which they did. It arrived at the warehouse and then came out to us. The immigration people had't made a good job of clearing out because I found a file on just one family.
They had arrived in the UK illegally and had immediately signed on. They were put up in a hotel and a large cash payment to cover them until they got their first cheque. They were then given a house
The medical crap reads like you couldn't make it up! Mrs can't work because she has a heart condition. Mr can't work because he has a bad back. Oldest kid can't work because he has to look after mum & dad! Other kids, one enrolled in college (no English so translator brought in as she is depressed and wants to study!)Other kid was enroled in the local school and also had a translator and private English lessons.
They were to be deported but what with appeals, they were in the country 8 (yes, EIGHT!) years and now because the mothers heart condition has got worse, can't be sent back and have been given leave to stay!
Firstly, they should have been turned around at the airport as many other countries do.
Secondly, if they were allowed in they should have been able to support themselves and prove they could like many other countries do.
According to the documents, they were still recieving all their benefits 11 years after arriving and the kids have joined them on the gravy train because they are too depressed to work!
This document makes scary reading and just shows what a soft touch we are in the UK! Before this island sinks below the waves, lets get a backbone and tell the PC brigade to get lost!"
but you'll be told this is hearsay because you didn't have the relevant security clearance to read that profile!
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"An easy way with benifits, is to do a reform so that money given for bills should go straight to the supplier instead of the beneficiary. I have sympathy that many times the social funds will not cover all living expense's but those with the nous and ability can still survive comfortably and if they can't then they should strive to get a job. "
I always wondered if that would be possible, pay credits to utility suppliers and supermarkets, allow them a less modest amount for the miscellaneous day to day things.
...though there will always be those who protest about human rights.
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"As a young fit and able bodied male I refuse to sign on as it should be for those that actually require it. Times have got hard and I have been tempted to join the bandwagon, how ever when you use hard earned money the sense of achievement is wonderful. I work 6 days a week from 7 or earlier to at least 5 usualy finished around 6 7 for 50 a day post tax and insurance. To supplement my wages also do night work when available. I am no shinning example of modern society, how ever I have self respect and also great respect for those that work hard.
An easy way with benifits, is to do a reform so that money given for bills should go straight to the supplier instead of the beneficiary. I have sympathy that many times the social funds will not cover all living expense's but those with the nous and ability can still survive comfortably and if they can't then they should strive to get a job. "
Couple of problems with that though.
Number one is how many people do you think the state would have to emply to pay the bills of all those claiming benefits?
And how do you reconcile that with an effort to shrink government, government spending and the size of the state?
Number two is that those people are paying the bills anyway with the same money you want to employ someone to send for them.
If they weren't paying the gas, water and electric the utility companies would be on to them quick smart anyway.
Are you saying all the folks on benefits are somehow getting free gas, electric and water? |
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"Number two is that those people are paying the bills anyway with the same money you want to employ someone to send for them.
If they weren't paying the gas, water and electric the utility companies would be on to them quick smart anyway.
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who told you that?!
did you know it is ilegal to disonnect services now...they have to go through court...know how long someone can string all that out to go to court, plead poveryty and be told to repay £1 a month...I would be scared not to pay too.... |
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" great respect for those that work hard.
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Couple of problems with that though."
Number one is how many people do you think the state would have to emply to pay the bills of all those claiming benefits?
More jobs are needed and would also be putting the money straight into the companys which will result in it re-entering the financial market quicker. Especially since british gas is a large supplier it would actually raise its stock market value and increase the stregnth of the pound.
And how do you reconcile that with an effort to shrink government, government spending and the size of the state?
Since it is not my choice in goverment policy I can not reconcile their policys with out information. How ever the basic principle of goverment is to look after those you govern first before all else. If this country keeps growing as such an alarming rate, than I can not see how a smaller goverment would be beneficiary. Unless all those members of Goverment are extreamly skilled in there field of work ( other than lying and mis-leading) than I believe it is not I but the goverment who should reconcile...
Number two is that those people are paying the bills anyway with the same money you want to employ someone to send for them.
Those that pay there bills would not mind the time n stress taken away from them, would be one less job to do for so many on benifits, and also partly answered in previous reply with the value of the pound. Also 1 person can do many bills in the day due to technology, so the amount of time saved for those unemployed can have that little bit extra to job hunt. ( If possiable)
If they weren't paying the gas, water and electric the utility companies would be on to them quick smart anyway.
Are you saying all the folks on benefits are somehow getting free gas, electric and water?
If you can show me where I stated this I will eat my blackberry now. That is a ridiculous assesment from what I wrote. That view would only apply to those that are ignorant, reason I believe my opinion can count a little is my experience and of those I know. Money from the social often suppliments other use's for which they were not intended... |
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"As a young fit and able bodied male I refuse to sign on as it should be for those that actually require it. Times have got hard and I have been tempted to join the bandwagon, how ever when you use hard earned money the sense of achievement is wonderful. I work 6 days a week from 7 or earlier to at least 5 usualy finished around 6 7 for 50 a day post tax and insurance. To supplement my wages also do night work when available. I am no shinning example of modern society, how ever I have self respect and also great respect for those that work hard.
this bloke is 20. the most sensible post today."
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"...yes, it's on the jeremy kyle show...however, it's going in the homes of folks on benefit. they're better of than me!"
If you think it so great then why not go on benefits ? you'd be better off !
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I agree westlondonsaint is a credit in today's society, My 24 year old son as been lucky enough to be in steady employment since leaving school, he lives with his girlfriend who works part time and they have worked it out they would be better off on the dole but have decided that is not the way they want to go, as I said in my previous post, I have no other option but to be on benefit but I am not going to try all the angles others go to to get more than I am actually entitled to as that is despicable |
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If you had seen the Kyle programme this morning you would have known that utlity bills ARE paid direct by the state. The woman on there told Kyle clearly that ALL her bills were automatically taken care of and that the £1700/month she received was for food & clothing for her and her SIX kids (with a 7th on the way).
Others have mentioned on here that they don't know how thse people can claim so much when they struggle to get £50 from the DSS.
Well, you've all wanted to know how they do it so here's how it works:
Mrs Chav has NEVER worked. That's important, remember it.
She's had 6 kids by the age of 28, her partner isn't the children's father and he doesn't live with her. The real father/s have absconded and she doesn't even know the names of some of them.
Got that? Good.
These are what an employed person would call 'mandatory job requirements' for a life 'employed' by the Benefits system.
Ok, let's continue.
Her 'employer' is the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He is the one directly responsible for setting the amount of 'cash' she's paid each month. He does it via his annual budget where he increases benefits, increases tax for the employed above a certain salary, and increases duty on luxury goods. (Never seen a Chancellor reduce any of these three things.)
Each Budget time, Mrs Chav gets Billy Chav to fire up his computer and input all the new changes into the 'How To Fuck The System' spreadsheet they downloaded from ChavsRUs.co.uk, which calculates whether Mrs Chav is better off with the new budget, or worse off (Worse Off is the default answer). She then trots down the the DSS dragging the 3 youngest kids with her for distraction purposes and plonks herself down in front of a 19y/o jobsworth who looks like he's got a couple of GSCEs in Apathy and Disinterestedantarianism.
She moans like fuck that she can't make ends meet and he looks on his report of 'Benefits to give Chavs when they wont shut the fuck up' and picks the first one on the list she isn't already getting. He then gets her to mark her 'X' in the box provided and she fucks off down the pub smirking gleefully at the 'pay rise' she's just been awarded. He meanwhile puts his coat and pisses off home glad that another day dealing with the stupid fuckwits is over and he doesn't have to think about it until 9am tomorrow.
Only trouble is - WE have to pay for the decisions he's just taken.
Now here's the most important part.
Mrs Chav cannot do ANY of this if she has a single credit to her name for having contributed to the system.
The moment you do that you have proven you are WILLING TO WORK and you are moved off of the 'Fucking Lazy Cunt But What Can We Do' database, to the 'Ah, Gotcha At Last' database, and then you're mightily fucked and have to resort to crime yourself to supplement whatever the kids bring in from a hard day's robbing at Tesco's.
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"If you had seen the Kyle programme this morning you would have known that utlity bills ARE paid direct by the state. "
Mine are NOT paid directly by the state, I have to pay them out of the benefit I receive |
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"If you had seen the Kyle programme this morning you would have known that utlity bills ARE paid direct by the state.
Mine are NOT paid directly by the state, I have to pay them out of the benefit I receive"
Hers was. I can't speak for you obviously. Maybe you haven't moaned enough. |
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wishynsiren,,,well said!!!
we could write about this all day long,,but whats the point,,whilst the state keeps paying them there gonna keep taking it,,..granted there are genuine cases on benefits who genuinly need and deserve the help,,but be realistic the majority are as said just bone idle work shy good for nothing losers and its working people who have to cough up for them,,makes my blood fucking boil..the government have a lot to answer for,,but then saying that as we have seen many times in the past they are just as corrupt for ripping the state off. |
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"I agree westlondonsaint is a credit in today's society, My 24 year old son as been lucky enough to be in steady employment since leaving school, he lives with his girlfriend who works part time and they have worked it out they would be better off on the dole but have decided that is not the way they want to go, as I said in my previous post, I have no other option but to be on benefit but I am not going to try all the angles others go to to get more than I am actually entitled to as that is despicable"
I respect what you wrote and agree your son is fortunate to have been in employment for so long and he is a credit to you. Evidently raised him with principles and morals. The big stereotype of those on benefits are almost always chavtastic peeps, immigrants and the 'lower claSs' how ever people claim from all walks of life and I dnt believe they should scrap benefits as there are many people who genuinely need them. Its like cutting down a whole apple tree because of few bad apples... As time goes on the system will have to change and evolve to cope with the numbers of illegitimate claims, the sooner the better obviously but it is inevitable. And maybe the stereotype will fade... And I wish your son and his miss's good luck. |
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I've worked since leaving school at 16, worked anywhere and everywhere that would have me, 5 months ago I had to leave work due to illness (hyper trophic cardio myopothy, and heart block) took me ages to get any benefit at all, spent all savings i had to try to keep the house but still lost it, the tory government has never cared for, or attempted to help the poor ffs can't anyone remember Thatcher? Yeah like she was realy good for this country, it's vital that we import coal and not mine our own now is it not? |
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"I've worked since leaving school at 16, worked anywhere and everywhere that would have me, 5 months ago I had to leave work due to illness (hyper trophic cardio myopothy, and heart block) took me ages to get any benefit at all, spent all savings i had to try to keep the house but still lost it, the tory government has never cared for, or attempted to help the poor ffs can't anyone remember Thatcher? Yeah like she was realy good for this country, it's vital that we import coal and not mine our own now is it not?"
5 months ago it was a Labour govt and this new govt hasn't even begun to make changes to the benefits system yet so everything you have experienced you can attribute to Labour. It's unfortunate, and I wish you a speedy recovery. |
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"...yes, it's on the jeremy kyle show...however, it's going in the homes of folks on benefit. they're better of than me!If you think it so great then why not go on benefits ? you'd be better off !"
because i have children and have no desire to raise them in an environment that promotes under-achievement in life.
i want them to work hard and strive to achieve more than me, i cant do that whilst relaying the message that doing nothing and relying on the wealth of others to support me is the better option. |
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Now here's the most important part.
Mrs Chav cannot do ANY of this if she has a single credit to her name for having contributed to the system.
The moment you do that you have proven you are WILLING TO WORK and you are moved off of the 'Fucking Lazy Cunt But What Can We Do' database, to the 'Ah, Gotcha At Last' database, and then you're mightily fucked and have to resort to crime yourself to supplement whatever the kids bring in from a hard day's robbing at Tesco's.
That's the system. Good innit."
my brother spent time in hospital after having a brain operation for a tumour,within weeks the dole were wanting him in for interviews and tests to prove his suitability and fitness to get get him back to work as soon as possible!,if you have ever worked in your life you are a marked man,you are a worker!, and they will hound you back into work,whereas if you are a lowlife scumbag who is not into work and would prefer to cheat and scam your way through life they will allow you to and even throw benefits at you!. |
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"No not at all. In many country's there is no system of benefit and support and people have to work. It is not hard to see why Britain is seen as a soft state.
But if you have contributed it is only fair that you can claim assistance between enployments.
"if you have contributed"
~ and that's the real crux of the matter. Often economic migrants to the UK have not contributed at all. They struggle here for a year, disappear off the radar at times, stay with friends or relatives who have already completed the qualifying criteria... and then, when the year is up, and they've learned about all the scams going from friends/relatives already doing it.. off they go to the DSS, with their greedy grubby little paws clutching a hatful of already completed forms and a bank account number to start receiving funds that they haven't earned.
THAT'S what pisses most of us off. "
Wife is Polish, worked 4yrs solid and payed tax the whole time.... lost her job, tryed to claim and was basicaly fed a load of crap about how she couldn't claim. |
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"The problem with the housing benifit though is the landlords will charge the maximum the goverment will pay - and why shouldn't they take advantage?
House opposite us is a private DSS rent and it's the equivlent of £750 a month. We wouldn't get that for renting our house out on the normal market but it's the max for the number of bedrooms the landlord can charge and they are quite obviously going to charge that."
I was a volunteer for the CAB for a while and it blew alot of misconceptions I had about benefits
the HB was capped a while back to stop abuse like this and its lined up to get tougher |
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"The problem with the housing benifit though is the landlords will charge the maximum the goverment will pay - and why shouldn't they take advantage?
House opposite us is a private DSS rent and it's the equivlent of £750 a month. We wouldn't get that for renting our house out on the normal market but it's the max for the number of bedrooms the landlord can charge and they are quite obviously going to charge that.
I was a volunteer for the CAB for a while and it blew alot of misconceptions I had about benefits
the HB was capped a while back to stop abuse like this and its lined up to get tougher"
it was capped at £1600 PER MONTH
prior to that it was £8000 PER MONTH !!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10378868 |
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"The problem with the housing benifit though is the landlords will charge the maximum the goverment will pay - and why shouldn't they take advantage?
House opposite us is a private DSS rent and it's the equivlent of £750 a month. We wouldn't get that for renting our house out on the normal market but it's the max for the number of bedrooms the landlord can charge and they are quite obviously going to charge that.
I was a volunteer for the CAB for a while and it blew alot of misconceptions I had about benefits
the HB was capped a while back to stop abuse like this and its lined up to get tougher
it was capped at £1600 PER MONTH
prior to that it was £8000 PER MONTH !!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10378868"
blimey!
I know they capped singles at £92 but it fluctuates (between 85 and 98) in north, I know because was doing a benefit check for a client a while back
the plan is to reduce it to make it harder (by 15% I think)
I don't agree with teh benefit abuses but I think they could fiund the money elsewaer
and also they aren't askin the right questions to begin with
IE. the debt is fiat anyway paid on interest the gov loaned from a privately owned Bank of Englad..yes folks privatly owned
The Crown is not the queen the Cron is a corporation in London square mile
(teh Warburgs, Rothchilds etc own the FEd reserve too by the way)
its the biggest scam on the planet
looking at John Maynard Jkeynes writing when they set up the IMF they said its next phase was a finacial world structure to manage soverign debt
it was all planned
hence the FAbian comment in my profile
we're the mushrooms people..kept in the dark and fed...you know what
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