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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol "Seconded Shag | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol
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"Your threads about Clarkson isn't it, not Top Gear. They can still show the programme without that tw*t. If people think it won't be the same, then they're watching it purely for HIM, in which case, take it off and spend the money on something else" I love Jezza, he's great entertainment ...I don't think you have a sense of humour | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol "Why should it only be female deer who have to change channels? | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol "Very well said  | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol "But as I said what if more people don't want it than do? | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol
Why should it only be female deer who have to change channels?"Not sure, but let the hubby do it this time. | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol
Very well said "Thanks | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol
But as I said what if more people don't want it than do?
"Yes not sure what then, maibe put it on dave channel or bbc3, might be good. | |||
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"What about the licence payers who think Top Gear shouldn't be shown?" | |||
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"Clarkson owned one third of the top gear brand and he has stopped them broadcasting it !!" I understand he sold his share of the show to the bbc, £8m I think he got | |||
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"how can the bbc stop showing the top gear programm after all we pay the wages for them it should be up to us wether we watch or not lobby for not paying the bloody tv licence" Good idea. Clarkson has been the victim of a witch-hunt by the BBC (not THAT BBC...lol) and is probably the most entertaining man on telly...despite himself. The remaining episodes in the current series should be immediately reinstated on the tv schedules. It's a great programme, entertaining and funny, and should be left alone by the leftie PC brigade (who themselves are a complete waste of good skin). BRING BACK TOP GEAR, and LEAVE CLARKSON TO GO ON BEING CLARKSON. | |||
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"Clarkson owned one third of the top gear brand and he has stopped them broadcasting it !! I understand he sold his share of the show to the bbc, £8m I think he got" Yes, funded by the viewing public, sold to a d*ickhead | |||
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"how can the bbc stop showing the top gear programm after all we pay the wages for them it should be up to us wether we watch or not lobby for not paying the bloody tv licence Good idea. Clarkson has been the victim of a witch-hunt by the BBC (not THAT BBC...lol) and is probably the most entertaining man on telly...despite himself. The remaining episodes in the current series should be immediately reinstated on the tv schedules.I It's a great programme, entertaining and funny, and should be left alone by the leftie PC brigade (who themselves are a complete waste of good skin). BRING BACK TOP GEAR, and LEAVE CLARKSON TO GO ON BEING CLARKSON. " Now I enjoy Top Gear and I like JC but where do you get off making all these demands based on your opinion of the show and the man? | |||
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"Clarkson owned one third of the top gear brand and he has stopped them broadcasting it !! I understand he sold his share of the show to the bbc, £8m I think he got Yes, funded by the viewing public, sold to a d*ickhead" Technically incorrect - the idea for the show was not the BBCs, but they have made a ton more money out of it than Clarkson. As a result it has raised the brand of the BBC worldwide and allowed them to reduce the pressure on subscription costs and non motoring programmes to be made. In effect it was sold to the BBC for a knock down price...  | |||
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"Clarkson owned one third of the top gear brand and he has stopped them broadcasting it !! I understand he sold his share of the show to the bbc, £8m I think he got" He did indeed sell it, only the figure I heard that he got for it was closer to £14 million. | |||
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"how can the bbc stop showing the top gear programm after all we pay the wages for them it should be up to us wether we watch or not lobby for not paying the bloody tv licence Good idea. Clarkson has been the victim of a witch-hunt by the BBC (not THAT BBC...lol) and is probably the most entertaining man on telly...despite himself. The remaining episodes in the current series should be immediately reinstated on the tv schedules. It's a great programme, entertaining and funny, and should be left alone by the leftie PC brigade (who themselves are a complete waste of good skin). BRING BACK TOP GEAR, and LEAVE CLARKSON TO GO ON BEING CLARKSON. " | |||
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"how can the bbc stop showing the top gear programm after all we pay the wages for them it should be up to us wether we watch or not lobby for not paying the bloody tv licence Good idea. Clarkson has been the victim of a witch-hunt by the BBC (not THAT BBC...lol) and is probably the most entertaining man on telly...despite himself. The remaining episodes in the current series should be immediately reinstated on the tv schedules. It's a great programme, entertaining and funny, and should be left alone by the leftie PC brigade (who themselves are a complete waste of good skin). BRING BACK TOP GEAR, and LEAVE CLARKSON TO GO ON BEING CLARKSON. " Ok you can take the next slap when he has a tantrum | |||
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"how can the bbc stop showing the top gear programm after all we pay the wages for them it should be up to us wether we watch or not lobby for not paying the bloody tv licence Good idea. Clarkson has been the victim of a witch-hunt by the BBC (not THAT BBC...lol) and is probably the most entertaining man on telly...despite himself. The remaining episodes in the current series should be immediately reinstated on the tv schedules. It's a great programme, entertaining and funny, and should be left alone by the leftie PC brigade (who themselves are a complete waste of good skin). BRING BACK TOP GEAR, and LEAVE CLARKSON TO GO ON BEING CLARKSON.100% spot on " | |||
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"just sack the bully if you punch a work mate instant dismissal or a police assault charge "
Arrogant bastards who believe the world revolve around them should have had a short sharp shock a lot earlier in life. Unfortunately Clarkson is one such prick! | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol
But as I said what if more people don't want it than do?
Yes not sure what then, maibe put it on dave channel or bbc3, might be good."BBC 3 is still the BBC so if they're going to show the remaining episodes just put it back on BBC 2 as before. I hope that Clarkson tells the BBC to go fuck themselves, then he should go to ITV, channel 4 or channel 5 to do an alternative motoring programme of his own (where he won't be hounded by politically correct BBC morons). I think the BBC Top Gear brand won't be half as popular without Clarkson, another channel would soon snap him up and if Clarkson leaves he should ask Hammond and May to go with him. | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol
But as I said what if more people don't want it than do?
Yes not sure what then, maibe put it on dave channel or bbc3, might be good.
BBC 3 is still the BBC so if they're going to show the remaining episodes just put it back on BBC 2 as before.
I hope that Clarkson tells the BBC to go fuck themselves, then he should go to ITV, channel 4 or channel 5 to do an alternative motoring programme of his own (where he won't be hounded by politically correct BBC morons).
I think the BBC Top Gear brand won't be half as popular without Clarkson, another channel would soon snap him up and if Clarkson leaves he should ask Hammond and May to go with him. "Oooh so its politically correct NOT to punch someone who has pissed you off? Please remind me next time some old dearpisses all over the bed I've just changed or them an I'm helping to the loo decides I'm assaulting him and clocks me one! Maybe I should just punch them because apparently it would be politically correct if I didn't, who wants to be politically correct? | |||
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" I hope that Clarkson tells the BBC to go fuck themselves, then he should go to ITV, channel 4 or channel 5 to do an alternative motoring programme of his own (where he won't be hounded by politically correct BBC morons). " Worked for Barry Norman, and Des Lynam, and Harry & Paul | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol
But as I said what if more people don't want it than do?
Yes not sure what then, maibe put it on dave channel or bbc3, might be good.
BBC 3 is still the BBC so if they're going to show the remaining episodes just put it back on BBC 2 as before.
I hope that Clarkson tells the BBC to go fuck themselves, then he should go to ITV, channel 4 or channel 5 to do an alternative motoring programme of his own (where he won't be hounded by politically correct BBC morons).
I think the BBC Top Gear brand won't be half as popular without Clarkson, another channel would soon snap him up and if Clarkson leaves he should ask Hammond and May to go with him.
Oooh so its politically correct NOT to punch someone who has pissed you off? Please remind me next time some old dearpisses all over the bed I've just changed or them an I'm helping to the loo decides I'm assaulting him and clocks me one! Maybe I should just punch them because apparently it would be politically correct if I didn't, who wants to be politically correct?"Utter nonsense, the BBC have been on a witch hunt after Clarkson for ages, remember the eeny meeny miny mo saga a few months ago, and there have been other clashes, but if you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend they are not out to get him, go ahead and carry on as you were. | |||
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" I hope that Clarkson tells the BBC to go fuck themselves, then he should go to ITV, channel 4 or channel 5 to do an alternative motoring programme of his own (where he won't be hounded by politically correct BBC morons). Worked for Barry Norman, and Des Lynam, and Harry & Paul" Don't think they had nearly a million signatures on an online petition for them to stay though did they? | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol
But as I said what if more people don't want it than do?
Yes not sure what then, maibe put it on dave channel or bbc3, might be good.
BBC 3 is still the BBC so if they're going to show the remaining episodes just put it back on BBC 2 as before.
I hope that Clarkson tells the BBC to go fuck themselves, then he should go to ITV, channel 4 or channel 5 to do an alternative motoring programme of his own (where he won't be hounded by politically correct BBC morons).
I think the BBC Top Gear brand won't be half as popular without Clarkson, another channel would soon snap him up and if Clarkson leaves he should ask Hammond and May to go with him.
Oooh so its politically correct NOT to punch someone who has pissed you off? Please remind me next time some old dearpisses all over the bed I've just changed or them an I'm helping to the loo decides I'm assaulting him and clocks me one! Maybe I should just punch them because apparently it would be politically correct if I didn't, who wants to be politically correct?
Utter nonsense, the BBC have been on a witch hunt after Clarkson for ages, remember the eeny meeny miny mo saga a few months ago, and there have been other clashes, but if you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend they are not out to get him, go ahead and carry on as you were. " | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol
But as I said what if more people don't want it than do?
Yes not sure what then, maibe put it on dave channel or bbc3, might be good.
BBC 3 is still the BBC so if they're going to show the remaining episodes just put it back on BBC 2 as before.
I hope that Clarkson tells the BBC to go fuck themselves, then he should go to ITV, channel 4 or channel 5 to do an alternative motoring programme of his own (where he won't be hounded by politically correct BBC morons).
I think the BBC Top Gear brand won't be half as popular without Clarkson, another channel would soon snap him up and if Clarkson leaves he should ask Hammond and May to go with him. "You might find channels which rely on advertising might find Clarkson more trouble than he is worth. The Beeb is to be applauded for allowing the show to be as edgy as it has been. | |||
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" I hope that Clarkson tells the BBC to go fuck themselves, then he should go to ITV, channel 4 or channel 5 to do an alternative motoring programme of his own (where he won't be hounded by politically correct BBC morons). Worked for Barry Norman, and Des Lynam, and Harry & Paul Don't think they had nearly a million signatures on an online petition for them to stay though did they? " You seriously think those petitions achieve anything?, but how did the irreplaceable Bazza Des and Harry get on after quitting the beeb?, thinking about it for someone with such an anti BBC persona Clarkson has been reluctant to take his broadcast (top gear, the vanity chat show, the various documentaries) work anywhere other than auntie, I'm sure even the CRASH!BANG!WALLOP! What a video! father's day gift cash ins were released via BBC vhs. | |||
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" Utter nonsense, the BBC have been on a witch hunt after Clarkson for ages, remember the eeny meeny miny mo saga a few months ago, and there have been other clashes, but if you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend they are not out to get him, go ahead and carry on as you were. " they could have sacked him several times over for the things that he has said, hardly the sign of a 'witch hunt' more the sign of some bigoted bloke with a big gob who thinks he's above the rest.. | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol
But as I said what if more people don't want it than do?
Yes not sure what then, maibe put it on dave channel or bbc3, might be good.
BBC 3 is still the BBC so if they're going to show the remaining episodes just put it back on BBC 2 as before.
I hope that Clarkson tells the BBC to go fuck themselves, then he should go to ITV, channel 4 or channel 5 to do an alternative motoring programme of his own (where he won't be hounded by politically correct BBC morons).
I think the BBC Top Gear brand won't be half as popular without Clarkson, another channel would soon snap him up and if Clarkson leaves he should ask Hammond and May to go with him.
You might find channels which rely on advertising might find Clarkson more trouble than he is worth. The Beeb is to be applauded for allowing the show to be as edgy as it has been."Top Gear makes millions for the BBC, if another channel thinks it could make half the amount of money Top Gear does by signing Clarkson, they will snap him up. | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol
But as I said what if more people don't want it than do?
Yes not sure what then, maibe put it on dave channel or bbc3, might be good.
BBC 3 is still the BBC so if they're going to show the remaining episodes just put it back on BBC 2 as before.
I hope that Clarkson tells the BBC to go fuck themselves, then he should go to ITV, channel 4 or channel 5 to do an alternative motoring programme of his own (where he won't be hounded by politically correct BBC morons).
I think the BBC Top Gear brand won't be half as popular without Clarkson, another channel would soon snap him up and if Clarkson leaves he should ask Hammond and May to go with him.
You might find channels which rely on advertising might find Clarkson more trouble than he is worth. The Beeb is to be applauded for allowing the show to be as edgy as it has been.
Top Gear makes millions for the BBC, if another channel thinks it could make half the amount of money Top Gear does by signing Clarkson, they will snap him up. "The point being that the Beeb own the show, so Clarkson would have to do something different without the Top Gear name. With fickle advertisers potentially not wanting to be associated with and edgy presenter it might not be as straight forward as you think. | |||
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" I hope that Clarkson tells the BBC to go fuck themselves, then he should go to ITV, channel 4 or channel 5 to do an alternative motoring programme of his own (where he won't be hounded by politically correct BBC morons). Worked for Barry Norman, and Des Lynam, and Harry & Paul Don't think they had nearly a million signatures on an online petition for them to stay though did they? You seriously think those petitions achieve anything?, but how did the irreplaceable Bazza Des and Harry get on after quitting the beeb?, thinking about it for someone with such an anti BBC persona Clarkson has been reluctant to take his broadcast (top gear, the vanity chat show, the various documentaries) work anywhere other than auntie, I'm sure even the CRASH!BANG!WALLOP! What a video! father's day gift cash ins were released via BBC vhs." Clarkson has released dozens of dvd's over the years (usually around christmas time), and people are more than happy to buy them. They come under the Top Gear banner but i would say 99.9% of them have Clarkson on the front cover (i bought most of them). These dvds are not shown on the BBC, if people want to watch they buy the dvd, mostly because Clarkson is the star attraction. The dvd sales speak for themselves. | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol
But as I said what if more people don't want it than do?
Yes not sure what then, maibe put it on dave channel or bbc3, might be good.
BBC 3 is still the BBC so if they're going to show the remaining episodes just put it back on BBC 2 as before.
I hope that Clarkson tells the BBC to go fuck themselves, then he should go to ITV, channel 4 or channel 5 to do an alternative motoring programme of his own (where he won't be hounded by politically correct BBC morons).
I think the BBC Top Gear brand won't be half as popular without Clarkson, another channel would soon snap him up and if Clarkson leaves he should ask Hammond and May to go with him. " | |||
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"Well, I've signed the national petition to have Clarkson replaced by Julian Clarey.... So hopefully we'll be seeing a nice, new Top Gear...! "And "Top Queer" was born.... | |||
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"Bring back Quentin Wilson. Top Gear did exist with Jeremy Clarkson only being one of five presenters. Top Gear is nothing more than three grown men behaving like teenagers!" Quentin Wilson, lol, are you talking about Top Gear back in the early 1990's when it was boring? | |||
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"Bring back Quentin Wilson. Top Gear did exist with Jeremy Clarkson only being one of five presenters. Top Gear is nothing more than three grown men behaving like teenagers!" Lol they do a bit don't they | |||
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"Nothing should be done until the investigation into the fracas has been completed. Just because Clarkson is famous and popular normal disciplinary procedures should be followed, the same as for anyone else." It's almost as if everyone has forgotten that Savile was allowed to get away with whatever he wanted to do because he was "the talent" and popular. The BBC is still being investigated for Savile and will have to be much smarter about what they allow "the talent" to get away with at every level. This smacks of something more akin to Jonathan Ross. Clarkson will do the same. | |||
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"Jonathan Ross is back on radio 2 for the next two weeks. The Beeb director that compared Clarkson to Savill should be sacked too. The comparison is too vile to even contemplate " | |||
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"There's a thing on Facebook about how Alan Partridge should replace Jeremy Clarkson. " That could actually be watchable | |||
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"Jonathan Ross is back on radio 2 for the next two weeks. The Beeb director that compared Clarkson to Savill should be sacked too. The comparison is too vile to even contemplate " The comparison isn't about the actual acts but the behaviour of turning a blind eye. If Clarkson hit someone that being deemed acceptable and therefore fine to cover up because he makes money and is popular is not really any different to covering up a bit of fondling of the kids because Savile was popular. We know now Savile did much worse and some knew at the time. The point is that any cover-ups lead to that suspicion and accusation that there is more that hasn't yet come out. If it turns out that Clarkson has done something even more heinous that use violence, which is unacceptable anywhere let alone in the workplace, I bet all the Clarkson is great, let's sign a petition and force the Beeb to keep him brigade will be blaming the Beeb for allowing him to get away with it. Rules and laws should be blind to the cult of personality. | |||
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"To me, Clarkson is just a mediocre entertainer on the telly - no more, no less. I'm sure someone will give him a job if things don't work out at the Beeb. Hasn't Brucie just retired? Could be an opening for twinkle-toed Jezza "You may find Clarkson mediocre but the fact is Top Gear HAD the highest viewing figures of any program on BBC2 (over 2 million a show) and WAS the highest earning franchise the BBC had (the BBC admit to net earnings of £12 million a year from the sale of 8 annual shows). This was down to the presenters not the producers or BBC executives. All thrown away through the stupidity of the BBC. " The comparison isn't about the actual acts but the behaviour of turning a blind eye." Actually the comparison is between Clarkson and SaVile. I hope that Jezzer has already retained legal council and started a defamation suit against the man who made the statement and the BBC that he was representing. " If it turns out that Clarkson has done something even more heinous that use violence " And your comment above is proof of that defamation, you are already starting to spread and expand this vile slur. "Rules and laws should be blind to the cult of personality. " At least there we agree, I must say that I further hope that Jezzer also starts a claim for unfair dismissal. Because if what I believe has happened is correct there has been a concerted and orchestrated campaign of character assassination over years with what could only be one aim, and that was to push Clarkson out and make him unemployable at the same time. If this is true then the payout for his constructive dismissal and the final parting shot of linking him with SaVile should cost the BBC 10s of millions in compensation and costs (plus the franchise earnings because that is gone with Jezzer, Hamster and Captain Slow too). | |||
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"I can't be bothered quoting all the post above but the salient points are that top gear isn't it's highest grossing franchise, the Savile comparison was in reference to a culture of victim intimidation and I'm sure the BBC can afford an employment lawyer far in excess of anyone on here." Especially after buying Clarkson out so cheaply. Plus even if the series ends now the BBC will be minting it with repeat fees for years to come. There's a BBC executive or two who have earned their bonuses for that deal. | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol "I'm also with you on that one | |||
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"Clarkson owned one third of the top gear brand and he has stopped them broadcasting it !! I understand he sold his share of the show to the bbc, £8m I think he got Yes, funded by the viewing public, sold to a d*ickhead" He only sold out the rights to merchandising and the bbc paid 14million for it, which maybe gives some indication as to how popular the programme is globally. The priogram in its cuurent format was Clarksons and Andy Wildmans idea, and their foresight has made the beeb a lot of money of the back of it....I think clarkson has every right to be aggrieved by whT is happening.... | |||
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"They should show it and does who don't like it, put on another channel lol
Why should it only be female deer who have to change channels?"PMSFL | |||
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"What about the licence payers who think Top Gear shouldn't be shown?" | |||
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"Clarkson should rightly be investigated for his alleged actions but there is a subversive campaign to smear Clarkson that has been going on for a while. Stories have been leaked to the newspapers. Clips that have been edited out have ended up on YouTube to undermine him. Nobody should be compared to that evil scumbag Savill to justify their argument. "
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"As the great Oscar Wilde once said "There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about". His reputation for being a "bloke" is partly what keeps his popularity high and in the long run this won't have harmed either him or the BBC. The World will keep revolving and Clarkson will continue to be the marmite figure he is, it's just a case of where you spread him now! " eloquently put. I am ambivolent toward Clarkson but one thing is for sure. This is another building block toward making the man a legend. Whatever the outcome this will have reinforced the strong opposing views that many already hold about him, and that can only be good for his marketability, his stock price will rocket | |||
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"Bring back Quentin Wilson. Top Gear did exist with Jeremy Clarkson only being one of five presenters. Top Gear is nothing more than three grown men behaving like teenagers!" I think that's the point and it's main appeal. | |||
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"Bring back Quentin Wilson. Top Gear did exist with Jeremy Clarkson only being one of five presenters. Top Gear is nothing more than three grown men behaving like teenagers! Quentin Wilson, lol, are you talking about Top Gear back in the early 1990's when it was boring? " Whilst the current Top Gear format is probably more entertaining it's definitely not as informative as the old. Fifth Gear Seems to fulfill the informative role these days. | |||
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"Nobody watches fifth gear" I do. Maybe I'm just a nobody after all.  | |||
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"Clarkson owned one third of the top gear brand and he has stopped them broadcasting it !!" He DID. But he sold this a couple of years ago (£12 million I think). He now has no say in the programme other than as a presenter. | |||
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"Nothing should be done until the investigation into the fracas has been completed. Just because Clarkson is famous and popular normal disciplinary procedures should be followed, the same as for anyone else."
Well said - and absolutely right!!!
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"Your threads about Clarkson isn't it, not Top Gear. They can still show the programme without that tw*t. If people think it won't be the same, then they're watching it purely for HIM, in which case, take it off and spend the money on something else I love Jezza, he's great entertainment ...I don't think you have a sense of humour "You wouldn't say that though if he came back from the pub pissed and took his stupid aggression out on you because he was hungry.. | |||
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"Clarkson is a twat. To much money, to much substance abuse, read that how you like , but he was pissed and so were the two other presenters. He called an employee a c..t and hit him. Instant dismisal in the real world. He cant keep his childish mouth shut, or engage mind before leting the mouth out. As a contributor to his wealth, I think he should go. His contract runs out at the end of this month, good ridance. If Sky or any of the others want him, then have him. The BBC realise that the format is thier's and will find another presenter, just like they did with 'Have I got news for you'" Oh you were there were you? Probably not. And what exactly do you know of the other parties action in this? Maybe he was winding jc up during the day maybe he insulted jc which lead to the fracas.... maybe.... maybe not. Only they know. There's always 2 sides  | |||
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"The BBC realise that the format is thier's and will find another presenter, just like they did with 'Have I got news for you'" Hignfy could be fronted by a chimpanzee And wouldnt make any bigger viewing figures. Fact is top gear was nothing before jc and will be nothing after him. His new program on whatever channel it's on will take over. | |||
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" Utter nonsense, the BBC have been on a witch hunt after Clarkson for ages, remember the eeny meeny miny mo saga a few months ago, and there have been other clashes, but if you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend they are not out to get him, go ahead and carry on as you were. they could have sacked him several times over for the things that he has said, hardly the sign of a 'witch hunt' more the sign of some bigoted bloke with a big gob who thinks he's above the rest.." what has he said that deserves a sacking? | |||
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"I would guess that three men discussing cars. Celebrity's in cars doing timed laps. Music And all the other stuff top gear regularly does will be copyright of the BBC. Fifth gear never took off because they couldn't do what top gear did and it was all very boring. I think clarkson is way to old to start another show, he'll probably just move to books, DVD,s and paper columns if top gear gets cancelled. I don't think the beeb will continue the show without him or with the other two, however they will be under contract with the beeb for all their other shows so they won't want to fall out with the beeb themselves." Maybe a chat show, he has shown himself to be pretty adept at interviewing A-listers. | |||
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"I would guess that three men discussing cars. Celebrity's in cars doing timed laps. Music And all the other stuff top gear regularly does will be copyright of the BBC. Fifth gear never took off because they couldn't do what top gear did and it was all very boring. I think clarkson is way to old to start another show, he'll probably just move to books, DVD,s and paper columns if top gear gets cancelled. I don't think the beeb will continue the show without him or with the other two, however they will be under contract with the beeb for all their other shows so they won't want to fall out with the beeb themselves. Maybe a chat show, he has shown himself to be pretty adept at interviewing A-listers." . I think if he goes he'll probably have a change of tack on to something different. I wouldn't be surprised to see him doing a one off series on engineering Marvel's or something along those lines, as it's always been his passion, even his love of cars has always been about engineering | |||
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"As the great Oscar Wilde once said "There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about". His reputation for being a "bloke" is partly what keeps his popularity high and in the long run this won't have harmed either him or the BBC. The World will keep revolving and Clarkson will continue to be the marmite figure he is, it's just a case of where you spread him now! " I like the Oscar wilde quote.. I read a similar Quote that Aled Jones recalled terry Wogan telling him when giveing him a Bit of advice when they were both Working for radio 2.. he said `spread Yourself thinly as possible because it Makes it difficult for people to get Rid of you!` | |||
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"Where did you get your facts about substance abuse on this subject? According to reports he was sober" The reason they were late for thier dinner was that they had been in the pub, May cant remember anything because he said he was d*unk, a customer in the hotel said thay were all d*unk and witnessed the whole event. | |||
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"I would guess that three men discussing cars. Celebrity's in cars doing timed laps. Music And all the other stuff top gear regularly does will be copyright of the BBC. Fifth gear never took off because they couldn't do what top gear did and it was all very boring. I think clarkson is way to old to start another show, he'll probably just move to books, DVD,s and paper columns if top gear gets cancelled. I don't think the beeb will continue the show without him or with the other two, however they will be under contract with the beeb for all their other shows so they won't want to fall out with the beeb themselves. Maybe a chat show, he has shown himself to be pretty adept at interviewing A-listers.. I think if he goes he'll probably have a change of tack on to something different. I wouldn't be surprised to see him doing a one off series on engineering Marvel's or something along those lines, as it's always been his passion, even his love of cars has always been about engineering" Yes already done a documentary series called Inventions That Changed The World. They were pretty good and his enthusiasm for the subject was obvious. | |||
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"Did anybody see the documentary he did about his father in law in Arnhem? That guy was a genuine hero" I think I recall seeing it. He did one on the Telemark raid too didn't he... | |||
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"Your threads about Clarkson isn't it, not Top Gear. They can still show the programme without that tw*t. If people think it won't be the same, then they're watching it purely for HIM, in which case, take it off and spend the money on something else" Well said | |||
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"Your threads about Clarkson isn't it, not Top Gear. They can still show the programme without that tw*t. If people think it won't be the same, then they're watching it purely for HIM, in which case, take it off and spend the money on something else Well said " | |||
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"What about all those that want to watch it WITH him?" They can tune into Sky i expect lol | |||
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"I know this may sound extreme, but people who bully co-workers get sacked. No matter how entertaining they are. Being a good entertainer does not excuse you from being a good person. Look at Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. (I'm not saying he is a paedo of course, just an example) " But we don't know what he did or why yet. Whereas it is probably correct to suspend him while the investigation takes place I really don't know how anyone can possibly say what is a fair punishment or even if there is anything to punish, until all the facts are known. It seems to me that some on here, who clearly dislike Clarkson, want to use this as an excuse to rid him and are not really interested in what actually happened or indeed the rights and wrongs of it either. | |||
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" It seems to me that some on here, who clearly dislike Clarkson, want to use this as an excuse to rid him and are not really interested in what actually happened or indeed the rights and wrongs of it either." I'd agree with you, however, I'd say there are FAR more people who are supporting him, without being really interested in what actually happened or indeed the rights and wrongs of it either. | |||
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"Comments coming from high up in the Beeb comparing him to Savile are vile and should not be aired regardless of the outcome of any disciplinary hearing" At no point has he been personally compared to Savile mearly his lionisation, (the number of comments on here about how much money he earns the BBC for a start) coupled Noël Edmunds and call me Dave chirping up about what a great guy he is (I'm surprised we haven't heard about what a great deal he does for charity). | |||
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"What about the licence payers who think Top Gear shouldn't be shown?" Agreed! | |||
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"I know this may sound extreme, but people who bully co-workers get sacked. No matter how entertaining they are. Being a good entertainer does not excuse you from being a good person. Look at Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. (I'm not saying he is a paedo of course, just an example) " Unless your in the Top Gear production team. Then you can force a presenter to give voice to covertly racist material you write and rather than being sacked for it the presenter gets blamed and punished for doing his job and reading your script. | |||
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"Comments coming from high up in the Beeb comparing him to Savile are vile and should not be aired regardless of the outcome of any disciplinary hearing At no point has he been personally compared to Savile mearly his lionisation, (the number of comments on here about how much money he earns the BBC for a start) coupled Noël Edmunds and call me Dave chirping up about what a great guy he is (I'm surprised we haven't heard about what a great deal he does for charity)." Doesn't matter what the context was, the comparison was made with Savile. That kind of mud can stick and ruin reputations. You only have to see the misguided comments on some of the posts on this thread to see that. There are many that like Clarkson and a majority that don't. That goes for every single person on tv. If we all had the power to ban those we don't like on telly, our screens would be blank and we would have to find other forms of entertainment | |||
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"Comments coming from high up in the Beeb comparing him to Savile are vile and should not be aired regardless of the outcome of any disciplinary hearing At no point has he been personally compared to Savile mearly his lionisation, (the number of comments on here about how much money he earns the BBC for a start) coupled Noël Edmunds and call me Dave chirping up about what a great guy he is (I'm surprised we haven't heard about what a great deal he does for charity)." That's been mentioned elsewhere. I did not read it as him being compared to Savile in terms of any acts (hence I am not defaming Clarkson in any way) but that the covering up of acts cannot happen as that is what happened with Savile. | |||
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"I know this may sound extreme, but people who bully co-workers get sacked. No matter how entertaining they are. Being a good entertainer does not excuse you from being a good person. Look at Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. (I'm not saying he is a paedo of course, just an example) Unless your in the Top Gear production team. Then you can force a presenter to give voice to covertly racist material you write and rather than being sacked for it the presenter gets blamed and punished for doing his job and reading your script." Are you saying that Jezza is a poor innocent puppet and the nasty production team are pulling his strings forcing him to say outrageous things? That seems a bit against what others are saying how wonderfully independent he is and how he sticks it to the much too PC BBC. | |||
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"Doesn't matter about context, the comparison has been made. That is what will stick in people's minds " So far it hasn't at all. Context is everything on cover-ups given that the BBC is being investigated over cover-ups. | |||
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"I know this may sound extreme, but people who bully co-workers get sacked. No matter how entertaining they are. Being a good entertainer does not excuse you from being a good person. Look at Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. (I'm not saying he is a paedo of course, just an example) Unless your in the Top Gear production team. Then you can force a presenter to give voice to covertly racist material you write and rather than being sacked for it the presenter gets blamed and punished for doing his job and reading your script. Are you saying that Jezza is a poor innocent puppet and the nasty production team are pulling his strings forcing him to say outrageous things? That seems a bit against what others are saying how wonderfully independent he is and how he sticks it to the much too PC BBC."
My line all the way through on this is that the investigation should go ahead. Suspension is a reasonable action for any employer to take with such a serious allegation of misconduct.
My outrage is at the line that poor Jeremy is being set up and has been for ages and that he is so irreplaceable that it really doesn't matter what he has done he is worth it. Starting a petition to keep an allegedly violent employee in work because he is popular and makes money is the crazy behaviour of the mob sold on the cult of celebrity.
Let the investigation come to a conclusion, without the cover-ups or the capitulation to the mob.
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"I know this may sound extreme, but people who bully co-workers get sacked. No matter how entertaining they are. Being a good entertainer does not excuse you from being a good person. Look at Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. (I'm not saying he is a paedo of course, just an example) Unless your in the Top Gear production team. Then you can force a presenter to give voice to covertly racist material you write and rather than being sacked for it the presenter gets blamed and punished for doing his job and reading your script. Are you saying that Jezza is a poor innocent puppet and the nasty production team are pulling his strings forcing him to say outrageous things? That seems a bit against what others are saying how wonderfully independent he is and how he sticks it to the much too PC BBC.
My line all the way through on this is that the investigation should go ahead. Suspension is a reasonable action for any employer to take with such a serious allegation of misconduct.
My outrage is at the line that poor Jeremy is being set up and has been for ages and that he is so irreplaceable that it really doesn't matter what he has done he is worth it. Starting a petition to keep an allegedly violent employee in work because he is popular and makes money is the crazy behaviour of the mob sold on the cult of celebrity.
Let the investigation come to a conclusion, without the cover-ups or the capitulation to the mob.
"And how about the BBC executives that lied their arses off before a Parliamentary Committee? Shouldn't they be instantly dismissed, or at least suspended for misconduct? Or the same executives who spent and wasted a whole load of licence payers money (not in accordance with their Charter) in absolutely refusing to reveal the 28 attendees at a Global Warming conference? People in glass houses and all that? Or are the high ups so fucking holier than thou that they are untouchable? | |||
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"I know this may sound extreme, but people who bully co-workers get sacked. No matter how entertaining they are. Being a good entertainer does not excuse you from being a good person. Look at Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. (I'm not saying he is a paedo of course, just an example) Unless your in the Top Gear production team. Then you can force a presenter to give voice to covertly racist material you write and rather than being sacked for it the presenter gets blamed and punished for doing his job and reading your script. Are you saying that Jezza is a poor innocent puppet and the nasty production team are pulling his strings forcing him to say outrageous things? That seems a bit against what others are saying how wonderfully independent he is and how he sticks it to the much too PC BBC.
My line all the way through on this is that the investigation should go ahead. Suspension is a reasonable action for any employer to take with such a serious allegation of misconduct.
My outrage is at the line that poor Jeremy is being set up and has been for ages and that he is so irreplaceable that it really doesn't matter what he has done he is worth it. Starting a petition to keep an allegedly violent employee in work because he is popular and makes money is the crazy behaviour of the mob sold on the cult of celebrity.
Let the investigation come to a conclusion, without the cover-ups or the capitulation to the mob.
And how about the BBC executives that lied their arses off before a Parliamentary Committee? Shouldn't they be instantly dismissed, or at least suspended for misconduct?
Or the same executives who spent and wasted a whole load of licence payers money (not in accordance with their Charter) in absolutely refusing to reveal the 28 attendees at a Global Warming conference?
People in glass houses and all that?
Or are the high ups so fucking holier than thou that they are untouchable?
"I don't think they should be untouchable either. Saying that I believe if there is any truth to the allegations about Clarkson should not be covered up does not mean I condone others failings. Nor do I think that because the senior managers are incompetent, acting badly that should mean that Clarkson or any other "talent" can do as they like and be allowed to get away with it. | |||
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"I know this may sound extreme, but people who bully co-workers get sacked. No matter how entertaining they are. Being a good entertainer does not excuse you from being a good person. Look at Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. (I'm not saying he is a paedo of course, just an example) Unless your in the Top Gear production team. Then you can force a presenter to give voice to covertly racist material you write and rather than being sacked for it the presenter gets blamed and punished for doing his job and reading your script. Are you saying that Jezza is a poor innocent puppet and the nasty production team are pulling his strings forcing him to say outrageous things? That seems a bit against what others are saying how wonderfully independent he is and how he sticks it to the much too PC BBC.
My line all the way through on this is that the investigation should go ahead. Suspension is a reasonable action for any employer to take with such a serious allegation of misconduct.
My outrage is at the line that poor Jeremy is being set up and has been for ages and that he is so irreplaceable that it really doesn't matter what he has done he is worth it. Starting a petition to keep an allegedly violent employee in work because he is popular and makes money is the crazy behaviour of the mob sold on the cult of celebrity.
Let the investigation come to a conclusion, without the cover-ups or the capitulation to the mob.
And how about the BBC executives that lied their arses off before a Parliamentary Committee? Shouldn't they be instantly dismissed, or at least suspended for misconduct?
Or the same executives who spent and wasted a whole load of licence payers money (not in accordance with their Charter) in absolutely refusing to reveal the 28 attendees at a Global Warming conference?
People in glass houses and all that?
Or are the high ups so fucking holier than thou that they are untouchable?
I don't think they should be untouchable either. Saying that I believe if there is any truth to the allegations about Clarkson should not be covered up does not mean I condone others failings. Nor do I think that because the senior managers are incompetent, acting badly that should mean that Clarkson or any other "talent" can do as they like and be allowed to get away with it."I agree. And given that the blatant lying to parliament was in public, one would expect an "investiation" to take 5 minutes and dismissal by the end of the day. Sadly, it doesn't happen and never will. I barely know much about Clarkson and this matter, but it reads an awful lot like the BBC/Producers fell very short of fulfilling their duty of care to the presenters, what's happening about that? | |||
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"I'm with Lickety - there needs to be a proper investigation, regardless of the standing of Clarkson. " Yeah, hopefully full details of why he felt the need to punch the producer, if in fact he did. | |||
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"I know this may sound extreme, but people who bully co-workers get sacked. No matter how entertaining they are. Being a good entertainer does not excuse you from being a good person. Look at Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. (I'm not saying he is a paedo of course, just an example) Unless your in the Top Gear production team. Then you can force a presenter to give voice to covertly racist material you write and rather than being sacked for it the presenter gets blamed and punished for doing his job and reading your script. Are you saying that Jezza is a poor innocent puppet and the nasty production team are pulling his strings forcing him to say outrageous things? That seems a bit against what others are saying how wonderfully independent he is and how he sticks it to the much too PC BBC.
My line all the way through on this is that the investigation should go ahead. Suspension is a reasonable action for any employer to take with such a serious allegation of misconduct.
My outrage is at the line that poor Jeremy is being set up and has been for ages and that he is so irreplaceable that it really doesn't matter what he has done he is worth it. Starting a petition to keep an allegedly violent employee in work because he is popular and makes money is the crazy behaviour of the mob sold on the cult of celebrity.
Let the investigation come to a conclusion, without the cover-ups or the capitulation to the mob.
And how about the BBC executives that lied their arses off before a Parliamentary Committee? Shouldn't they be instantly dismissed, or at least suspended for misconduct?
Or the same executives who spent and wasted a whole load of licence payers money (not in accordance with their Charter) in absolutely refusing to reveal the 28 attendees at a Global Warming conference?
People in glass houses and all that?
Or are the high ups so fucking holier than thou that they are untouchable?
"Shouldn't you therefore be defending them on the same grounds as you might defend Jeremy? After all they're sticking it to the system if the allegations are true and they don't give a toss about the conventions we expect to operate in normal society. That's why we're supposed to let Jeremy off, isn't it - because he represents a strand of rebellious journalism that some people like and his getting in the face of the po faced BBC? Just because someone else or some others may or may not get off for some other allegation is not a reason for giving Jeremy Clarkson unlimited freedom to allegedly abuse other people without some constraints. Should we, for example, let all people accused of assault avoid investigation because some other people may have allegedly got away with murder? | |||
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"Doesn't matter about context, the comparison has been made. That is what will stick in people's minds So far it hasn't at all. Context is everything on cover-ups given that the BBC is being investigated over cover-ups. " Nothing is trying to be covered up in this Clarkson case though. Clarkson reported the incident himself to BBC executives. | |||
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"I know this may sound extreme, but people who bully co-workers get sacked. No matter how entertaining they are. Being a good entertainer does not excuse you from being a good person. Look at Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. (I'm not saying he is a paedo of course, just an example) Unless your in the Top Gear production team. Then you can force a presenter to give voice to covertly racist material you write and rather than being sacked for it the presenter gets blamed and punished for doing his job and reading your script. Are you saying that Jezza is a poor innocent puppet and the nasty production team are pulling his strings forcing him to say outrageous things? That seems a bit against what others are saying how wonderfully independent he is and how he sticks it to the much too PC BBC.
My line all the way through on this is that the investigation should go ahead. Suspension is a reasonable action for any employer to take with such a serious allegation of misconduct.
My outrage is at the line that poor Jeremy is being set up and has been for ages and that he is so irreplaceable that it really doesn't matter what he has done he is worth it. Starting a petition to keep an allegedly violent employee in work because he is popular and makes money is the crazy behaviour of the mob sold on the cult of celebrity.
Let the investigation come to a conclusion, without the cover-ups or the capitulation to the mob.
And how about the BBC executives that lied their arses off before a Parliamentary Committee? Shouldn't they be instantly dismissed, or at least suspended for misconduct?
Or the same executives who spent and wasted a whole load of licence payers money (not in accordance with their Charter) in absolutely refusing to reveal the 28 attendees at a Global Warming conference?
People in glass houses and all that?
Or are the high ups so fucking holier than thou that they are untouchable?
I don't think they should be untouchable either. Saying that I believe if there is any truth to the allegations about Clarkson should not be covered up does not mean I condone others failings. Nor do I think that because the senior managers are incompetent, acting badly that should mean that Clarkson or any other "talent" can do as they like and be allowed to get away with it.
I agree.
And given that the blatant lying to parliament was in public, one would expect an "investiation" to take 5 minutes and dismissal by the end of the day. Sadly, it doesn't happen and never will.
I barely know much about Clarkson and this matter, but it reads an awful lot like the BBC/Producers fell very short of fulfilling their duty of care to the presenters, what's happening about that? "'Duty of care' - you are joking aren't you? He's not really vulnerable or a child and this seems to have come out of not getting his preferred food in a restaurant. Hardly putting him in danger is it? | |||
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"I know this may sound extreme, but people who bully co-workers get sacked. No matter how entertaining they are. Being a good entertainer does not excuse you from being a good person. Look at Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. (I'm not saying he is a paedo of course, just an example) Unless your in the Top Gear production team. Then you can force a presenter to give voice to covertly racist material you write and rather than being sacked for it the presenter gets blamed and punished for doing his job and reading your script. Are you saying that Jezza is a poor innocent puppet and the nasty production team are pulling his strings forcing him to say outrageous things? That seems a bit against what others are saying how wonderfully independent he is and how he sticks it to the much too PC BBC.
My line all the way through on this is that the investigation should go ahead. Suspension is a reasonable action for any employer to take with such a serious allegation of misconduct.
My outrage is at the line that poor Jeremy is being set up and has been for ages and that he is so irreplaceable that it really doesn't matter what he has done he is worth it. Starting a petition to keep an allegedly violent employee in work because he is popular and makes money is the crazy behaviour of the mob sold on the cult of celebrity.
Let the investigation come to a conclusion, without the cover-ups or the capitulation to the mob.
And how about the BBC executives that lied their arses off before a Parliamentary Committee? Shouldn't they be instantly dismissed, or at least suspended for misconduct?
Or the same executives who spent and wasted a whole load of licence payers money (not in accordance with their Charter) in absolutely refusing to reveal the 28 attendees at a Global Warming conference?
People in glass houses and all that?
Or are the high ups so fucking holier than thou that they are untouchable?
Shouldn't you therefore be defending them on the same grounds as you might defend Jeremy? After all they're sticking it to the system if the allegations are true and they don't give a toss about the conventions we expect to operate in normal society. That's why we're supposed to let Jeremy off, isn't it - because he represents a strand of rebellious journalism that some people like and his getting in the face of the po faced BBC?
Just because someone else or some others may or may not get off for some other allegation is not a reason for giving Jeremy Clarkson unlimited freedom to allegedly abuse other people without some constraints.
Should we, for example, let all people accused of assault avoid investigation because some other people may have allegedly got away with murder?"You again. I'm not saying let Jeremy Clarkson off, or even defending him, i can't stand anything the bloke does myself. What i am saying is it if disciplinary proceeings are releavnt to Clarkson they're at least equally relevant and applicable to those at the top. It's somewhat rich that the top behave like cunts yet come down on those lower down the chain. | |||
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"I'm with Lickety - there needs to be a proper investigation, regardless of the standing of Clarkson. Yeah, hopefully full details of why he felt the need to punch the producer, if in fact he did. " whatever he felt he has no right to punch anyone unless its in self defence.. was the producer suspended..? | |||
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"I know this may sound extreme, but people who bully co-workers get sacked. No matter how entertaining they are. Being a good entertainer does not excuse you from being a good person. Look at Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. (I'm not saying he is a paedo of course, just an example) Unless your in the Top Gear production team. Then you can force a presenter to give voice to covertly racist material you write and rather than being sacked for it the presenter gets blamed and punished for doing his job and reading your script. Are you saying that Jezza is a poor innocent puppet and the nasty production team are pulling his strings forcing him to say outrageous things? That seems a bit against what others are saying how wonderfully independent he is and how he sticks it to the much too PC BBC.
My line all the way through on this is that the investigation should go ahead. Suspension is a reasonable action for any employer to take with such a serious allegation of misconduct.
My outrage is at the line that poor Jeremy is being set up and has been for ages and that he is so irreplaceable that it really doesn't matter what he has done he is worth it. Starting a petition to keep an allegedly violent employee in work because he is popular and makes money is the crazy behaviour of the mob sold on the cult of celebrity.
Let the investigation come to a conclusion, without the cover-ups or the capitulation to the mob.
And how about the BBC executives that lied their arses off before a Parliamentary Committee? Shouldn't they be instantly dismissed, or at least suspended for misconduct?
Or the same executives who spent and wasted a whole load of licence payers money (not in accordance with their Charter) in absolutely refusing to reveal the 28 attendees at a Global Warming conference?
People in glass houses and all that?
Or are the high ups so fucking holier than thou that they are untouchable?
I don't think they should be untouchable either. Saying that I believe if there is any truth to the allegations about Clarkson should not be covered up does not mean I condone others failings. Nor do I think that because the senior managers are incompetent, acting badly that should mean that Clarkson or any other "talent" can do as they like and be allowed to get away with it.
I agree.
And given that the blatant lying to parliament was in public, one would expect an "investiation" to take 5 minutes and dismissal by the end of the day. Sadly, it doesn't happen and never will.
I barely know much about Clarkson and this matter, but it reads an awful lot like the BBC/Producers fell very short of fulfilling their duty of care to the presenters, what's happening about that?
'Duty of care' - you are joking aren't you? He's not really vulnerable or a child and this seems to have come out of not getting his preferred food in a restaurant. Hardly putting him in danger is it? "No i'm not, same as High Court Judges aren't joking either when they pass judgmements on the same. | |||
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"I'm with Lickety - there needs to be a proper investigation, regardless of the standing of Clarkson. Yeah, hopefully full details of why he felt the need to punch the producer, if in fact he did. whatever he felt he has no right to punch anyone unless its in self defence.. was the producer suspended..?" or provocation? | |||
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"I know this may sound extreme, but people who bully co-workers get sacked. No matter how entertaining they are. Being a good entertainer does not excuse you from being a good person. Look at Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. (I'm not saying he is a paedo of course, just an example) Unless your in the Top Gear production team. Then you can force a presenter to give voice to covertly racist material you write and rather than being sacked for it the presenter gets blamed and punished for doing his job and reading your script. Are you saying that Jezza is a poor innocent puppet and the nasty production team are pulling his strings forcing him to say outrageous things? That seems a bit against what others are saying how wonderfully independent he is and how he sticks it to the much too PC BBC.
My line all the way through on this is that the investigation should go ahead. Suspension is a reasonable action for any employer to take with such a serious allegation of misconduct.
My outrage is at the line that poor Jeremy is being set up and has been for ages and that he is so irreplaceable that it really doesn't matter what he has done he is worth it. Starting a petition to keep an allegedly violent employee in work because he is popular and makes money is the crazy behaviour of the mob sold on the cult of celebrity.
Let the investigation come to a conclusion, without the cover-ups or the capitulation to the mob.
And how about the BBC executives that lied their arses off before a Parliamentary Committee? Shouldn't they be instantly dismissed, or at least suspended for misconduct?
Or the same executives who spent and wasted a whole load of licence payers money (not in accordance with their Charter) in absolutely refusing to reveal the 28 attendees at a Global Warming conference?
People in glass houses and all that?
Or are the high ups so fucking holier than thou that they are untouchable?
Shouldn't you therefore be defending them on the same grounds as you might defend Jeremy? After all they're sticking it to the system if the allegations are true and they don't give a toss about the conventions we expect to operate in normal society. That's why we're supposed to let Jeremy off, isn't it - because he represents a strand of rebellious journalism that some people like and his getting in the face of the po faced BBC?
Just because someone else or some others may or may not get off for some other allegation is not a reason for giving Jeremy Clarkson unlimited freedom to allegedly abuse other people without some constraints.
Should we, for example, let all people accused of assault avoid investigation because some other people may have allegedly got away with murder?
You again. I'm not saying let Jeremy Clarkson off, or even defending him, i can't stand anything the bloke does myself.
What i am saying is it if disciplinary proceeings are releavnt to Clarkson they're at least equally relevant and applicable to those at the top.
It's somewhat rich that the top behave like cunts yet come down on those lower down the chain."You again too. If those at the top have done wrong I'm all for them getting their just desserts, whether they are cunts or not. But all this portrayal of Clarkson as a poor powerless innocent is ridiculous. He's a multimillionaire and holds power because of his celebrity. He's not some poor innocent waif - if he was he wouldn't have the following he does. | |||
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"I'm with Lickety - there needs to be a proper investigation, regardless of the standing of Clarkson. Yeah, hopefully full details of why he felt the need to punch the producer, if in fact he did. whatever he felt he has no right to punch anyone unless its in self defence.. was the producer suspended..? or provocation?" not an excuse.. sorry m'lud he really wound me etc up so i broke his jaw in 3 places..
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"I know this may sound extreme, but people who bully co-workers get sacked. No matter how entertaining they are. Being a good entertainer does not excuse you from being a good person. Look at Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. (I'm not saying he is a paedo of course, just an example) Unless your in the Top Gear production team. Then you can force a presenter to give voice to covertly racist material you write and rather than being sacked for it the presenter gets blamed and punished for doing his job and reading your script. Are you saying that Jezza is a poor innocent puppet and the nasty production team are pulling his strings forcing him to say outrageous things? That seems a bit against what others are saying how wonderfully independent he is and how he sticks it to the much too PC BBC.
My line all the way through on this is that the investigation should go ahead. Suspension is a reasonable action for any employer to take with such a serious allegation of misconduct.
My outrage is at the line that poor Jeremy is being set up and has been for ages and that he is so irreplaceable that it really doesn't matter what he has done he is worth it. Starting a petition to keep an allegedly violent employee in work because he is popular and makes money is the crazy behaviour of the mob sold on the cult of celebrity.
Let the investigation come to a conclusion, without the cover-ups or the capitulation to the mob.
And how about the BBC executives that lied their arses off before a Parliamentary Committee? Shouldn't they be instantly dismissed, or at least suspended for misconduct?
Or the same executives who spent and wasted a whole load of licence payers money (not in accordance with their Charter) in absolutely refusing to reveal the 28 attendees at a Global Warming conference?
People in glass houses and all that?
Or are the high ups so fucking holier than thou that they are untouchable?
I don't think they should be untouchable either. Saying that I believe if there is any truth to the allegations about Clarkson should not be covered up does not mean I condone others failings. Nor do I think that because the senior managers are incompetent, acting badly that should mean that Clarkson or any other "talent" can do as they like and be allowed to get away with it.
I agree.
And given that the blatant lying to parliament was in public, one would expect an "investiation" to take 5 minutes and dismissal by the end of the day. Sadly, it doesn't happen and never will.
I barely know much about Clarkson and this matter, but it reads an awful lot like the BBC/Producers fell very short of fulfilling their duty of care to the presenters, what's happening about that?
'Duty of care' - you are joking aren't you? He's not really vulnerable or a child and this seems to have come out of not getting his preferred food in a restaurant. Hardly putting him in danger is it?
No i'm not, same as High Court Judges aren't joking either when they pass judgmements on the same.
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"Duty of care also covers other areas such as health and safety and the wellbeing of all employees they are responsible for. It would appear that the TG production team has been lacking in more than one area. I wonder if all this will be covered by the investigation " I give up. Poor old JC was put in risk of serious personal danger because he didn't get the hot meal he demanded even though there was plenty of other food available. There must be hundreds of people here who would call that PC gone mad. | |||
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"Duty of care also covers other areas such as health and safety and the wellbeing of all employees they are responsible for. It would appear that the TG production team has been lacking in more than one area. I wonder if all this will be covered by the investigation I give up. Poor old JC was put in risk of serious personal danger because he didn't get the hot meal he demanded even though there was plenty of other food available. There must be hundreds of people here who would call that PC gone mad. " Thousands. Take it up with the H&E Executive or the Courts. | |||
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"Duty of care also covers other areas such as health and safety and the wellbeing of all employees they are responsible for. It would appear that the TG production team has been lacking in more than one area. I wonder if all this will be covered by the investigation I give up. Poor old JC was put in risk of serious personal danger because he didn't get the hot meal he demanded even though there was plenty of other food available. There must be hundreds of people here who would call that PC gone mad. Thousands. Take it up with the H&E Executive or the Courts. " They would laugh it out - you lilly livered liberals with your over PC interpretation of the rules. He'll have to take it to the ECHR. Honestly I've seen some rubbish here, but poor old JC put at risk for Health and Safety. You really are joking. Incidentally he was forced to fly to the 5 star hotel by helicopter. Take that up with health and safety too - he wasn't wrapped in cotton wool for the journey | |||
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"If it had been a 5star hotel, the kitchen would have been open. The production team would have known that. That is after all their job" Getting cross because someone didn't do their job is one thing. Hitting someone, as he is alleged to have done, is another. Their job may be to ensure food is available and that may well have been the case; the story alleges it wasn't hot food not that no food was available. | |||
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"Duty of care also covers other areas such as health and safety and the wellbeing of all employees they are responsible for. It would appear that the TG production team has been lacking in more than one area. I wonder if all this will be covered by the investigation I give up. Poor old JC was put in risk of serious personal danger because he didn't get the hot meal he demanded even though there was plenty of other food available. There must be hundreds of people here who would call that PC gone mad. Thousands. Take it up with the H&E Executive or the Courts. They would laugh it out - you lilly livered liberals with your over PC interpretation of the rules. He'll have to take it to the ECHR. Honestly I've seen some rubbish here, but poor old JC put at risk for Health and Safety. You really are joking. Incidentally he was forced to fly to the 5 star hotel by helicopter. Take that up with health and safety too - he wasn't wrapped in cotton wool for the journey" Was going to say the ECHR would'nt laugh it out of court, they'd probably love a case like this. | |||
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"Duty of care also covers other areas such as health and safety and the wellbeing of all employees they are responsible for. It would appear that the TG production team has been lacking in more than one area. I wonder if all this will be covered by the investigation I give up. Poor old JC was put in risk of serious personal danger because he didn't get the hot meal he demanded even though there was plenty of other food available. There must be hundreds of people here who would call that PC gone mad. Thousands. Take it up with the H&E Executive or the Courts. They would laugh it out - you lilly livered liberals with your over PC interpretation of the rules. He'll have to take it to the ECHR. Honestly I've seen some rubbish here, but poor old JC put at risk for Health and Safety. You really are joking. Incidentally he was forced to fly to the 5 star hotel by helicopter. Take that up with health and safety too - he wasn't wrapped in cotton wool for the journey Was going to say the ECHR would'nt laugh it out of court, they'd probably love a case like this. " Yep, they'd do what they do with all the other rubbish cases that slip through the national courts - slap it down and send it back to the country of origin to sort out. | |||
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" So quickly summing up, the Producer (well defined role) responsible wasn't responsible enough and then the shit hit the not-such-a-fan? " Good summary - though we shouldn't call JC a shit, after all it's only an allegation. | |||
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"how can the bbc stop showing the top gear programm after all we pay the wages for them it should be up to us wether we watch or not lobby for not paying the bloody tv licence Good idea. Clarkson has been the victim of a witch-hunt by the BBC (not THAT BBC...lol) and is probably the most entertaining man on telly...despite himself. The remaining episodes in the current series should be immediately reinstated on the tv schedules.I It's a great programme, entertaining and funny, and should be left alone by the leftie PC brigade (who themselves are a complete waste of good skin). BRING BACK TOP GEAR, and LEAVE CLARKSON TO GO ON BEING CLARKSON. Now I enjoy Top Gear and I like JC but where do you get off making all these demands based on your opinion of the show and the man?" It's called freedom of speech. Along the lines of "Where's my f***ing steak...?" If the producer involved had any balls, he'd have punched Clarkson right back, there and then, and settled the matter between the two of them privately. | |||
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"Keep twisting the facts. It wasn't a five star hotel. If it had the kitchen would have been open. The TG production team have been severely lacking recently. Coming to a head with the Argentinian debacle and now this. People could have been seriously hurt and the buck stops with the producers not the talent. It is irrelevant whether JC knew about the number plate or not. The producers did and decided the risk was worth putting everyone in danger. Clarkson, May and Hammond might film hours of trivial chit chat and banality for a few minutes of film on the night. A lot of the time the footage you see doesn't even have the talent behind the wheel. Ever wondered how the camera is in place when Clarkson is racing across three countries? It's filmed days later and edited in. The magic of television. At the end of the day the production team have a job to do to get the programme recorded efficiently Part of that remit is to make sure the talent whether they are TG presenters, the stars of a Hollywood blockbuster or BBC costume drama comfortable, happy and safe. Something is clearly not right behind the scenes. An argument over food may be the straw that broke the camels back and escalated into something else. Nobody will come out a winner" I'd understood that in Argentina it was only the production staff in any real danger because JC and his mates were long gone before the trouble started. It's strange how at one moment JC is such a hero for being a rebel and sticking two fingers up at the BBC, then all of a sudden he's a poor mistreated victim of the production team. For anyone to claim that the selection of meal available to him is a health and safety issue is complete nonsense. Being assaulted by a fellow employee is a serious health and safety issue. It's not really of any consequence at all if anyone comes out a winner about this. At the end of the day it's only a motoring programme and as such a vehicle for a load of over paid over inflated egoes. | |||
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"Where has anyone said that a hot meal is a health and safety issue? Twist it some more if you can. It is the production teams job to fulfil many criteria. One of those roles will be health and safety. Another will be catering. Sneer if you want but when filming on location catering facilities for the whole production crew should be on hand. That may be a catering truck, it may be taking over a whole cafe. It may mean sending a junior production assistant down to the bakers for cheese and pickle sandwiches. If the producer responsible doesn't fulfil his role things are going to escalate quickly. Time is money and relatively small delays can cost thousands of pounds. The production team have not done their job which has caused problems later in the day. " From above, in connection with the absence of hot meals - "Duty of care also covers other areas such as health and safety and the wellbeing of all employees they are responsible for" Incidentally, since we're on twisting the truth, 5* hotels don't typically offer 24 hour restaurants. Check for example the Savoy in London if you like. I wasn't sneering. Clarkson's outburst was a half hour tirade of obscenity followed by an assault according to reports in the press. If true no one has the right to do that. Time is money has nothing to do with the incident does it? It was the end of the day. There was nothing more to do than eat food and drink. No need to delay anything. You say the production team haven't done their job - was anyone claiming that, was there evidence of it or is that just made up to twist the truth? Health and safety is the responsibility of all employees in law. Clarkson is responsible for not doing anything that endangers other members of the crew. It really doesn't matter anyway. Even if the production company was a total failure it doesn't excuse assault or a tirade of bullying abuse if that turns out to be what happened. | |||
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"I know this may sound extreme, but people who bully co-workers get sacked. No matter how entertaining they are. Being a good entertainer does not excuse you from being a good person. Look at Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. (I'm not saying he is a paedo of course, just an example) Unless your in the Top Gear production team. Then you can force a presenter to give voice to covertly racist material you write and rather than being sacked for it the presenter gets blamed and punished for doing his job and reading your script. Are you saying that Jezza is a poor innocent puppet and the nasty production team are pulling his strings forcing him to say outrageous things? That seems a bit against what others are saying how wonderfully independent he is and how he sticks it to the much too PC BBC.
My line all the way through on this is that the investigation should go ahead. Suspension is a reasonable action for any employer to take with such a serious allegation of misconduct.
My outrage is at the line that poor Jeremy is being set up and has been for ages and that he is so irreplaceable that it really doesn't matter what he has done he is worth it. Starting a petition to keep an allegedly violent employee in work because he is popular and makes money is the crazy behaviour of the mob sold on the cult of celebrity.
Let the investigation come to a conclusion, without the cover-ups or the capitulation to the mob.
And how about the BBC executives that lied their arses off before a Parliamentary Committee? Shouldn't they be instantly dismissed, or at least suspended for misconduct?
Or the same executives who spent and wasted a whole load of licence payers money (not in accordance with their Charter) in absolutely refusing to reveal the 28 attendees at a Global Warming conference?
People in glass houses and all that?
Or are the high ups so fucking holier than thou that they are untouchable?
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"how can the bbc stop showing the top gear programm after all we pay the wages for them it should be up to us wether we watch or not lobby for not paying the bloody tv licence Good idea. Clarkson has been the victim of a witch-hunt by the BBC (not THAT BBC...lol) and is probably the most entertaining man on telly...despite himself. The remaining episodes in the current series should be immediately reinstated on the tv schedules.I It's a great programme, entertaining and funny, and should be left alone by the leftie PC brigade (who themselves are a complete waste of good skin). BRING BACK TOP GEAR, and LEAVE CLARKSON TO GO ON BEING CLARKSON. Now I enjoy Top Gear and I like JC but where do you get off making all these demands based on your opinion of the show and the man? It's called freedom of speech. Along the lines of "Where's my f***ing steak...?" If the producer involved had any balls, he'd have punched Clarkson right back, there and then, and settled the matter between the two of them privately." Then they both could now be facing dismal and possible criminal prosecution. That's a really well thought through response. | |||
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"Are you saying that Jezza is a poor innocent puppet and the nasty production team are pulling his strings forcing him to say outrageous things? That seems a bit against what others are saying how wonderfully independent he is and how he sticks it to the much too PC BBC." Read back over this and other Top Gear threads: What are the complaints? 1 Jezzer 2 Its totally scripted 3 Clarkson is a knob 4 Its too scripted 5 Clarkson is a homophobic twat 6 Its all the same scripted shite 7 Clarkson is a racist bigot that needs sacking! 8 It is all scripted and has no spontaneity. 9 Now on top of everything else Clarkson is a violent bully and just like SaVile and needs sacking. 10 Top Gear is a scripted show and the Beeb needs to replace Clarkson because he is not needed... Now do you notice any sort of theme here? Maybe the show is scripted and the presenter (a BBC employee) needs to be sacked for following a script. Seems to me that eventually he has been pushed to the point where he lashed out at his tormentors and the great British public as represented here is baying for the blood because he is a successful man in the public eye while ignoring its own complaints about the show because they indicate he may be the victim rather than the villain! | |||
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"Are you saying that Jezza is a poor innocent puppet and the nasty production team are pulling his strings forcing him to say outrageous things? That seems a bit against what others are saying how wonderfully independent he is and how he sticks it to the much too PC BBC. Read back over this and other Top Gear threads: What are the complaints? 1 Jezzer 2 Its totally scripted 3 Clarkson is a knob 4 Its too scripted 5 Clarkson is a homophobic twat 6 Its all the same scripted shite 7 Clarkson is a racist bigot that needs sacking! 8 It is all scripted and has no spontaneity. 9 Now on top of everything else Clarkson is a violent bully and just like SaVile and needs sacking. 10 Top Gear is a scripted show and the Beeb needs to replace Clarkson because he is not needed... Now do you notice any sort of theme here? Maybe the show is scripted and the presenter (a BBC employee) needs to be sacked for following a script. Seems to me that eventually he has been pushed to the point where he lashed out at his tormentors and the great British public as represented here is baying for the blood because he is a successful man in the public eye while ignoring its own complaints about the show because they indicate he may be the victim rather than the villain! " The I think you may be a little obsessed with the idea that the show is too scripted. Nearly all the occurrences of 'script' in this thread are from a quote from one person. Most of his supporters seem to appreciate his freedom to ad lib and challenge the BBC. That's one of the things i like about him and the tolerance of the BBC for allowing him so much freedom. He's been alright about raking in the cash from it too. What's odd is that some people feel that violence and abuse to other employees has a place in the workplace. | |||
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"bring back william woollard Blimey, you're going back a bit, lol." it was a good programme back then .... and the phenomenon of woollarding is still strong ..... google it | |||
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"bring back william woollard Blimey, you're going back a bit, lol. it was a good programme back then .... and the phenomenon of woollarding is still strong ..... google it "Not sure I want to go back to extensive road tests on Morris Marinas and the trials and tribulations of trunnions and replacing them. Besides that, nobody sells rally jackets anymore | |||
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"bring back william woollard Blimey, you're going back a bit, lol. it was a good programme back then .... and the phenomenon of woollarding is still strong ..... google it
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