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Ah, isn't Barrack a nice guy..
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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... to give part of Israel away to the Palestinians. What a nice chappie. Now, I wonder if he'll give up part of America to the Native Americans and say, "There ya go, have ya country back chum."  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It was Palestinian land in the first place. Barrack Obama promised Israel $30bn over the next decade and also said that Jerusalem will be israels capital. Some justice. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"so for the Palestinians its "give away" and for the Ameroindians its "give back". huh"
The name 'Palestine', which Roman Emperor Hadrian placed on the country of Israel in 135 A.D., has been in use for so long that it has become common usage. It is a matter of historical fact that Israel existed as an independent country long before any Palestinian claim to the same lands. Thesedays, a considerable majority of the Jewish public sees the Palestinians' demand for an independent state as just, and thinks Israel can agree to the establishment of such a state. Both sides favour the two-state proposal whereby the West Bank is given up to the Palestinians, but a major sticking point, and source of so much violence, is the claim both sides lay to the city of Jerusalem. Israel will never give it up.
As for Native Americans, it is also a matter of fact that the white man slaughtered them wholesale shortly after arriving on the American continent and eventually forced them off of their traditional homelands into arid deserts they called 'Reservations'.
Modern America cannot herald itself as the upholder of Freedom until it properly addresses the injustices it has done to the Native American civilisation. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"You got bloody shares in google or what mate ?? xx  "
Cheeky bugger. I wrote most of that myself. The bit about Hadrian I lifted from another site but that's a matter of historical fact.
Anyway, Google is my fwend!   |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sorry but it's not a fact. And the Palestinians were always there. Anyway take a look at Palestine-Israel maps. Maps don't lie. There is no war there, it's just mass murder. Israel is a terror state. |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"Sorry but it's not a fact. And the Palestinians were always there. Anyway take a look at Palestine-Israel maps. Maps don't lie. There is no war there, it's just mass murder. Israel is a terror state."
Thats a bit brash mate. The conflict kicked off with Egypt's invasion of Israel over 40 years ago. The fact is the arab states do not want the Israelis there and its not turned into everyone shooting everyone which is never good. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So now because Israel have power and the backing of America that gives them the right to shoot innocent people? Now they dont want the Palestinians there? What they are doing is completely illegal. They seem to be doing all the shooting. Nobody is shooting at them. Egypt or other Arab states are not even in the equation. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"... to give part of Israel away to the Palestinians. What a nice chappie. Now, I wonder if he'll give up part of America to the Native Americans and say, "There ya go, have ya country back chum." "
not wanting to be political... so I'll just ask a simple question...
don't you think palestians should get back the west bank land and the syrians should get back the golan heights which Israel took in the 6 day war in1967???
after all... they did start the war.. why should the agressors get to keep it?
that is why pre 1967 borders is such a sticking point |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Sorry but it's not a fact. And the Palestinians were always there. Anyway take a look at Palestine-Israel maps. Maps don't lie. There is no war there, it's just mass murder. Israel is a terror state.
Thats a bit brash mate. The conflict kicked off with Egypt's invasion of Israel over 40 years ago. The fact is the arab states do not want the Israelis there and its not turned into everyone shooting everyone which is never good."
actually mate... not quite true.... the 6 day war of 1967 started with the Israeli Defence Force attacking the Egyptian Air Force......
Egypt, Syria and Jordan had signed a defence pact a few days before... this was israels response to this.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So now because Israel have power and the backing of America that gives them the right to shoot innocent people? Now they dont want the Palestinians there? What they are doing is completely illegal. They seem to be doing all the shooting. Nobody is shooting at them. Egypt or other Arab states are not even in the equation. "
errr I think you will find that some are shooting at them, Hamas for one and I am not saying they are not shooting too but right now there is a lot of shooting going on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The people that are shooting at them are very few and it is there right to shoot and fight in self defence. They are just trying to protect their families and homes. The Israeli troops are just ruthless heartless thugs who have no respect for human life and get pleasure out of torturing innocent unarmed men, women and children. |
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By *habsMan
over a year ago
Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex |
As much as I'd like to support Barrack Obama, what I don't get - was it his land to give away?
I'd be peed off if I came home to find my neighbour had "given away" part of my home to someone else. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"As much as I'd like to support Barrack Obama, what I don't get - was it his land to give away?
I'd be peed off if I came home to find my neighbour had "given away" part of my home to someone else."
No, it isn't his land to give away but he's practically backed Israel into a corner by suggesting that at next year's UN General Assembly they'll be welcoming a new member state - Palestine (he's also assuming that every other member state will vote to allow Palestine to join the UN).
The reality is that a deal over the West Bank has NOT been reached yet and Obama's clumsy approach at getting them to talk will do much to alienate Jews in Israel who may not have been hardliners before but most assuredly will be now.
It is political posturing on Obama's part and he is seeking for history to recognise him as the man who brought peace to the Middle East. That's his only motive here.
As for the poster who said that the Israelis are the only ones doing the shooting - what have you been smoking pal? I can't even begin to recall the amount of times Israeli soldiers have been kidnapped from border patrols and then found brutally murdered a few days later. Israel had every right to hit back hard for those attrocities.
To give up the West Bank, Israel will be conceding nearly 50% of it's territories, and that must be hard for them to swallow. I know how I'd feel if Cornwall wanted to declare independence and take Devon, Dorset and Somerset with it - I'd tell them to get fucked. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The people that are shooting at them are very few and it is there right to shoot and fight in self defence. They are just trying to protect their families and homes. The Israeli troops are just ruthless heartless thugs who have no respect for human life and get pleasure out of torturing innocent unarmed men, women and children."
And Hamas haven't killed innocent women & children with their use of indiscriminate terrorist bombing?
Your posts have been markedly one-sided and it appears that you support Palestinians using violence to 'defend' themselves yet nobody is allowed to shoot back at them huh? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" I can't even begin to recall the amount of times Israeli soldiers have been kidnapped from border patrols and then found brutally murdered a few days later. Israel had every right to hit back hard for those attrocities.
To give up the West Bank, Israel will be conceding nearly 50% of it's territories, and that must be hard for them to swallow. "
Their soldiers had been kidnapped, they have to expect that coz they are soldiers. It wasn't young boys and girls that were kidnapped. Israel had no right. Israeli territories? What fucking territories? the point is it wasn't even their land. It was Palestine. Like I said take a look at the maps coz maps don't lie. When Israelis bomb and shoot people they are just soldiers, but when Palestinians shoot or bomb to defend themselves they are terrorists?? No, the truth is that the Israelis are the real terrorists! Many of their settlements are illegal. The wall that they built is illegal. They even stopped the U.N from delivering food to the Palestinians. Nothing gives them the right to rape women and young girls, to run their tanks through civilians homes, or to point their guns at children. I look at this from a human perspective. It's easy for you to just sit back and make judgements without even going there and seeing the reality. And yeah I do support Palestine and all ways will because I have seen the reality. Long live Palestine! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"... to give part of Israel away to the Palestinians. What a nice chappie. Now, I wonder if he'll give up part of America to the Native Americans and say, "There ya go, have ya country back chum." "
and ireland back to the irish? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"... to give part of Israel away to the Palestinians. What a nice chappie. Now, I wonder if he'll give up part of America to the Native Americans and say, "There ya go, have ya country back chum."
and ireland back to the irish?"
As far as I'm aware Ireland DOES belong to the Irish. Or are you speaking about N. Ireland, who's citizens are British and wish to remain so. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"... to give part of Israel away to the Palestinians. What a nice chappie. Now, I wonder if he'll give up part of America to the Native Americans and say, "There ya go, have ya country back chum."
and ireland back to the irish?
As far as I'm aware Ireland DOES belong to the Irish. Or are you speaking about N. Ireland, who's citizens are British and wish to remain so."
as do most native americans wish to keep the benefits that being USA citizens affords them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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This is a problem where rights and wrongs don't come into it. Arguing about historical 'facts' and about who killed how many and why fall on stony ground.
So long as there are more Jewish voters than Arab voters in the USA, anything any American president or presidential candidate does, or says, about the Middle East must be seen in that context. |
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As for Native Americans, it is also a matter of fact that the white man slaughtered them wholesale shortly after arriving on the American continent and eventually forced them off of their traditional homelands into arid deserts they called 'Reservations'.
Modern America cannot herald itself as the upholder of Freedom until it properly addresses the injustices it has done to the Native American civilisation."
i always remember when an american senator(it was one of the the kennedys,that power & money mad sex crazed family,you remember the one that walked away after the girl he was having an affair with drowned at chapaquidick creek?)was having a visit to stir up tension in northern ireland and saw a soldier in a british uniform and said to him,"why don't you go back home soldier?,back to where you belong!",the soldier politely replied "i am home sir!,where are you from?" took the wind out of teddy kennedys sails it did. |
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By *xccvvMan
over a year ago
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They all walked out today in the UN because someone spoke out against America, how dare they
Israel has no right over the land, they have become the one who was bullied to the bully, and have committed crimes against humanity, but like all big states if you the big boy you can get away with it, look at China and no one moans about them now as they are a super power
It was mentioned earlier on in this post about Ireland, wont go on as another forum called me a bigot for my views, but Northern Ireland wants to remain part of Britain |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"The election result will probably effect American Foreign policy as well as domestic policy."
actually it probably wont......
history tends to tell you that republicans tend to be more "insular" then democrats anyway....
since the president tends to drive foreign policy rather than washington politicans it won't change at all.... |
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By *empnbunkCouple
over a year ago
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the biggest problem with israel is that they are a nuclear force and ARE more than willing to nuke their neighbours should the outside world actively get involved hence the pussy footing around ... In fact they did try to send a bomber armed with a nuke up and america had to get involved n told them they will shoot it down the second its wheels leave the ground ... Israel are loose cannons and have to watched closely |
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