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Global Warming... Does it matter?
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"I really wish solar power was more accessible. The problem is that in this country it takes too long to pay for itself (15-20 years), and few invest in anything that takes that long to payback. One (partial) solution would be to require that all new build homes are fitted with as many solar panels as practical. Integrating it into the build (and doing 100 at once) would reduce the costs somewhat. Electric cars are on the way, and personally I can't wait. Tried to sign up to the E-Mini trial, but wasn't chosen. " We thought that regarding solar panels but the cost of installation stopped us dead. Now there is a company who will install the system for free but they receive the £800/year the energy companies pay for selling surplus energy back to the national grid. Ok, that's a bit of a sickener but you still save money by using less energy supplied by the energy companies, and you get peace of mind that you're doing your bit to assist the environment. (apparently, you'll never generate quite enough electricity to be totally independant, but then if you're selling energy back to the grid then surely that's because you've got too much of it, eh? someone explain that bit to me please.) | |||
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"I really wish solar power was more accessible. The problem is that in this country it takes too long to pay for itself (15-20 years), and few invest in anything that takes that long to payback. One (partial) solution would be to require that all new build homes are fitted with as many solar panels as practical. Integrating it into the build (and doing 100 at once) would reduce the costs somewhat. Electric cars are on the way, and personally I can't wait. Tried to sign up to the E-Mini trial, but wasn't chosen. We thought that regarding solar panels but the cost of installation stopped us dead. Now there is a company who will install the system for free but they receive the £800/year the energy companies pay for selling surplus energy back to the national grid. Ok, that's a bit of a sickener but you still save money by using less energy supplied by the energy companies, and you get peace of mind that you're doing your bit to assist the environment. (apparently, you'll never generate quite enough electricity to be totally independant, but then if you're selling energy back to the grid then surely that's because you've got too much of it, eh? someone explain that bit to me please.)" SNAP!!! | |||
" (apparently, you'll never generate quite enough electricity to be totally independant, but then if you're selling energy back to the grid then surely that's because you've got too much of it, eh? someone explain that bit to me please.)" The amount you use during the evening is more than the amount you generated during the day. | |||
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"Remember that scientist and scientific research(into global warming and anything else for that matter) is NOT free from bias! Most if not all research is funded by business, campaign groups, and governments with a vested interest in getting their point across. On the taxing all the new technologies remember the Micheal Faraday quote 'Why, sir, there is every possibility that you will soon be able to tax it! (to PM William Gladstone, on the usefulness of electricity)'" If you watch the vid in the OP you'll see that although has a huge bias toward combatting global warming, his arguments are sound. Basically it goes thus: True or False ragarding global warming Action/Inaction for doing something about it. He then constructs a grid using these qualifiers and an outcome for each possible scenario is reached. If GW is TRUE and Action is taken, we have a stable world. If GW is FALSE and Action is taken, we've wasted some money. If GW is FALSE and no action is taken, we've lost nothing and a few thousand scientists get hung by the scrotums. If GW is TRUE and no action is taken, we're fucked. | |||
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 . In fact it is greener if you don't when you take into account the carbon footprint for the whole life cycle! I have a car that can do over 60mpg, but it will still hold 4 passengers in comfort and all the luggage. If I want it to, I can do 0-62mph in about 7.6 seconds, drive fast and still get over 45mpg!
Being green at home doesn't mean having expensive stuff either. Just insulating and using stuff wisely. Good thing is it will save you money. Look into the Solar panel thing and relax....
Doing nothing as a species is not an option and although it won't affect most on here very much (me even less ) We do have our kids and their kids to worry about. | |||
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"We're now of the same opinion. Siren's always been 'green' aware but I've been quite dismissal of it to date. My refusal to acknowledge global warming was due largely to my belief that govts and business were using it as an excuse to either inhibit new technologies or raise so called 'green taxes'. If global warming is such an issue why tax the people/companies that cause it - to my mind you'd shoot a rabid dog so why not ban a rabid company/technology? And the answer is: votes & money. I can't sit on the sidelines any longer and refuse to do my bit just because I don't trust certain authorities and/or businesses. That's akin to burying my head in the sand and adopting the attitude of 'let someone else sort it out'. To another person, that someone - is me! We recycle anyway as we required to now and our bins won't get emptied if it has the wrong type of refuse in it, but that's not enough. I like the new Citroen electric car but it's too expensive for our budget at the moment and there are not enough recgarging stations to make it viable as a long distance mode of transport but it's something I will be keeping a very close eye on over the next 5 years for sure. We'll be looking into solar panels for our home as 1) it's eco-friendly to reduce our energy consumption, and 2) we're being ripped off mercilessly by the energy companies on a regular basis and I want us to move to total self-sufficiency. That in itself sits alongside my desire to drop off the corporate radar entirely. I despise govt interference in my life and I'd would dearly love to drop out of visibility to them too, but I doubt that will ever happen. But I can do my part and make sure my children are clued up about energy wastage and living in a cleaner world." Mars is also experiencing climate change and hotter temps due to the suns cycles right now the differnce is Mars doesn't have a global gov determined to make profit and power gains off it... your instincts are right IT IS A SCAM The club of rome is the elites think tank to their global governance organisations (Royal Inst Foreign affaris, CFR etc) THe Club of Rome: The First Global Revolution (1991), page 104; 'It would seem that men and women need a common motivation, namely a common adversary, to organize and act together in the vacuum such as motivation seemed to have ceased to exist or have yet to be found. The need for enemies seems to be a common historical factor;Bring the divided nation together to face an outside enemy, either a real one or else one INVENTED for the purpose; Democracy will be made to seem responsible for the lagging economy, the scarcity and uncertainties. The very concept of democracy could then be brought into question and allow for the seizure of power. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. The real enemy then is humanity itself' The First Global Revolution(1991) published by the Club of Rome. www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8-ORuffBUE Above link has further links related to the Club of Rome and the document 'The First Global Revolution' quote from the document; 'TFGR: 'in searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.' THe Club of Rome: The First Global Revolution (1991), page 104; "In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill ... All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself." - Club of Rome, "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis..." - David Rockefeller, Club of Rome executive member | |||
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"so take it you know about the commitee of 300, and the new order theory then?" Yeah, they got battered at Thermopylae didn't they? | |||
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"Off topic i know but as an add on ta wishys post what amazes me is that aliens come billions of miles with their technology And then abduct some yokel from nowhere with an IQ of about 10 Just an observation lol xx "You'd think they'd pick someone a bit more connected y'know. They must get a right bollocking when they get back to their homeworld and excitedly yell to their superiors, "Hey! We got one! We got one!", only to be told, "Ya fookin twat! This one can't even speak!" What a waste of petrol! | |||
"..and I suppose it was the Rockefellas that 'arranged' for the last asteroid to hit the Earth and wipe out the dinosaurs (another myth) just so they could sell a few more shares and roll around Manhattan in their expensive cars smoking cigars rolled along the sweaty thighs of Cuban women, eh? Conspiracy theorists assume that the entire human race are ignorant sheep and they 'know' something the rest of us don't. What a total croc of shit." ....baaaaaa!  | |||
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" I meen when was the last time you heard of an hole in the ozonelayre, the 90's!? Why cause its not happend. " I remember thinking at the time the 'ozone problem' was an everyday news event that certain people will come out and say it's all a big con. Well, that's exactly happened. Does that make me privvy to certain information? Nope, it doesn't, it just means I'm a little more aware of the infallibilities of the human race to absolutely pursue a need to explain something they don't understand in ways that they can. So here it is in simple terms: This planet has two magnetic poles and it's magnetism emanates from our liquid iron core towards the polar regions and then out into space, forming what is known as the magnetosphere. This magnetosphere protects us from the solar winds that continually barrage us from the direction of the Sun. From time to time, the Earth's crust rotates around the inner core of the planet but it's perpetual axis of 23.4degrees remains constant. The "Snowball Earth" theory promotes that as the icecaps move they take with them huge boulders gathered up from the seabed and deposit them as they move around the world and this has been proven by testing rocks found in locations where no other geological explanation can be found for them being there. Every grain of rock or sand on this planet has a magnetic signature, it's polarity determines from where in the world it originated, and rocks found in Namibia, Africa, which is in the southern hemisphere, had a polarity that placed it firmly in the northern hemisphere. So how did it get there? The answer is that it was carried there by a glacier. An icecap that moved from the northern polar region to just south of the equator some 200m years ago. This is known as 'polar wander', where the crust of the planet moves but the magnetic poles remain in the same location. The icecaps had shifted and I would imagine, to any living creature at the time, it must have seemed like the world was ending. Armegeddon. But the world didn't end, did it. The poles wandered again into the position they are in now... and they'll move again at some point in the future. Our real problem is that if we don't cut the emissions of so called 'greenhouse gases', when the icecaps do move we will be reflecting too much of the sun's energy back into space to melt them, thus creating a 'snowball' effect. The ice cannot melt in sufficient quantities so it grows, the larger ice mass reflects yet more sunlight, ad infinitum, until the entire planet is covered in thick ice - like a snowball. It's happened before. But how come we're here? And how did the planet defrost itself? With everything trapped under the ice the carbon dioxide produced by volcanoes had nowhere to go. It is usually expelled into the atmosphere and dissipated that way but with an ice crust covering the entire globe it cannot escape. Instead, what happens, is that the continual spew of carbon dioxide acts as an insulator and heats the planet up from underneath the ice, thus beginning a thawing process that eventually encompasses the entire planet except for the poles. This is true Global warming. But is it happening now? Not the extent that we're in imminent danger of becoming a 'snowball' but sure, it's happening, by miniscule degrees. It's a natural occuring event, but we're compounding it by not controlling the amount of crap we're spewing into the atmosphere, and what's more likely to happen is a recurrence some sort of 'Snowball Earth' but in reality more like an new ice age. And that's gonna be one helluva big problem for someone, sometime in the future, if we don't act now. | |||
"Sensationalism complete with the mandatory brightly coloured used condom strategically placed on the top of a dark pile of sludge. I'm sorry, but I can't take seriously a website that has aliens, crop circles, mayan doom prophecies and 9/11 conspiracy theories on it. Some people just have way too much time on their hands. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to hop in my space ship, fly zillions of miles through particle clouds, meteor fields and gamma radiation to a distant planet where I've been conducting secret experiments on the life forms I dropped off there a couple of thousand years ago to see how they're getting on, and I have to be back by tea-time or the wife will go nuts. "well done you have criticised the documentary site because it has a few about crop circles etc therefore the documentary about waste must also be the same perhaps you did not notice the vast majority of documentarys from the BBC etc etc concerning subjects from einstein , darwin , in fact you name it its there including i might add global warming so you have just shot yourself in the foot global warming and all this snowball earth your going on about is on the same documentary site as the crop circles so as far as having a sensible debate about this subject with you goes im out | |||
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"edit ** Psycho-type" its a good job you did not watch this programe on global warming by national geographic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJAbATJCugs and a good job you didnt watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHjhcyOCxKo about global warming as they both have eek eek music cos if you did you would have taken them to be rubbish and not started the thread i hope your never in a building thats on fire , while eek eek music is playing , cos you will rubbish the person shouting FIRE GET OUT you will sit there oblivious to the flames and end up like a crinkly pringle | |||
"edit ** Psycho-type its a good job you did not watch this programe on global warming by national geographic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJAbATJCugs and a good job you didnt watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHjhcyOCxKo about global warming as they both have eek eek music cos if you did you would have taken them to be rubbish and not started the thread i hope your never in a building thats on fire , while eek eek music is playing , cos you will rubbish the person shouting FIRE GET OUT you will sit there oblivious to the flames and end up like a crinkly pringle "The first one didn't have any eek-eek music and ended with a suggestion to unplug stuff when not in use, switch to energy efficient light bulbs, and your little bug-bear: to drive less miles. The second one contains content from Channel 4 who has blocked it in the UK for copyright reasons. | |||
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"Eek eek eek eek! theres a mouse loose about this house "Hey, our ratman just came out and no more poison has been eaten so he reckons it's fookin dead and as there's no smell it had the decency to die somewhere else. Result!! | |||
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"they will return "This time I'll be waiting!! muuuuhaahaaaaa | |||
"..and I suppose it was the Rockefellas that 'arranged' for the last asteroid to hit the Earth and wipe out the dinosaurs (another myth) just so they could sell a few more shares and roll around Manhattan in their expensive cars smoking cigars rolled along the sweaty thighs of Cuban women, eh? Conspiracy theorists assume that the entire human race are ignorant sheep and they 'know' something the rest of us don't. What a total croc of shit." christ on a bike do yourself a favour and read @Tragedy and Hope by Professor Carrol Quigley@ Quigley was teh official historian for the CFR theres little conspiracy theory about what he says and what these foundation members admit to I have little time for conspiracy theories thats why I stick to conspiracy fact instead of just dismissing anything outside your comfort zone try analysing the actual book refernces I quoted Ziggy Brewzinski wrote in his book Between two ages that there will come a time when Joe Average will get his opinions from e 6 o colock news and not be curious enough to venture further I guess we've been at that point for sme time now | |||
