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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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A university study has suggested that banning new drivers aged 17-24 from driving at night,drinking any alcohol and having passengers of a similar age in the car could save 200 lives a year and prevent 1700 injuries
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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How the hell do they police it, stop every vehicle.
In theory yes these groups are responsible for a lot of accidents and deaths. But it would be a nightmare to control and with police numbers falling again I ask how you would out it into practice
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have long thought that young drivers should be set rules like motorcyclists, ie limited to smaller Bhp/cc rated cars for the first 3 years. Allowing them to have injection/turbo fast cars is not necessary and might help curb some of the boy racers in the early years until they get some experience on the roads |
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By *uss PussWoman
over a year ago
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Heard this on the radio this morning, aparently they have something similar in Australia and America...but Ive never heard of it.
Just people trying to fill up the think tanks  aparently 500 people are killed every year crossing the road when texting or listening to thier Ipods...ban crossing the road next? |
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By *andcCouple
over a year ago
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"I have long thought that young drivers should be set rules like motorcyclists, ie limited to smaller Bhp/cc rated cars for the first 3 years. Allowing them to have injection/turbo fast cars is not necessary and might help curb some of the boy racers in the early years until they get some experience on the roads"
mmm.. not sure this works, most bikers just wait til they're 21, do a test on a bigger bike and then get an unlimmited licence. But what if you do your test on a smaller bike at say 19 and never ride a bike for three years and then get an unlimited licence, they then have no experience of a larger bike at all and in fact over that three years has no experience at all!
Perhaps there could be a limit on power of a car etc.. so if you pass your test on a less than 100 bhp car you can only drive that class then say upto 150 bhp would be another class..etc..etc.. again only problem with that is it is hard for the police to police |
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" aparently 500 people are killed every year crossing the road when texting or listening to thier Ipods...ban crossing the road next?"
They are now recommending that people don't listen to ipods etc in the street |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think that sometimes we just have to accept that some people will die in the due course of a day passing and all the legislature in the world won't prevent it. It makes sense to restrict ALL new drivers to a car no powerful than a 1.0litre engine but even the newer cars produced today in that category can travel in excess of 100mph, and how do you stop a new motorist from entering a motorway sliproad?
'P'-plates have proved workable elsewhere in the world and that's a plan we should adopt over here. It doesn't stop a teenager eager to impress his mates or his g/f that he's a 'top driver in his fast car' from removing his 'p'-plates prematurely though. I don't believe using the insurance method to force them off the road or into smaller cars is the way forward either as I wouldn't want insurance companies to have that much power over the geenral motorist - where do we stop them if they decree that other 'risk categories' should pay higher insurance too? High mileage drivers like myself for instance.
Every scheme we can think of to save lives will be detrimental to someone else somewhere else. It's inevitable, just as a day passing carries an inevitability that some of us won't see the end of it. |
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By *uss PussWoman
over a year ago
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" aparently 500 people are killed every year crossing the road when texting or listening to thier Ipods...ban crossing the road next?
They are now recommending that people don't listen to ipods etc in the street"
hahahaha can see the new health warning..."only use this equipment when wrapped in cotton wool" |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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New Zealand has some pretty tough laws on younger and inexperienced drivers. They have a curfew and the no alcohol rule, both of which have good benefits. They also have the rule where someone in the car, for the first year must be a full licence holder apart from the driver and that person must be in the front!
Another rule that I really do think should be brought in is the no modifications rule! Perhaps they go a bit far, but some of it would be useful over here..
Locally, kids have started fitting 7J wheels to cars that would normally have 5J's. Not a problem if they have checked the stub axle can take the extra strain. But they are fitting the standard 5J tyres so the hub is wider than the tyre tread! This bends the tread and closes up the tread pattern... Hence less grip!
I also don't agree with the punitive costs approach! Kids have way more money that sense these days and with the bank of "Mummy & Daddy" all things are possible.
And to the poster who said about people being electrocuted so ban electricity and the one with the “cotton wool” jibe, you would soon change your attitude it were your child that was killed by a young driver... 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And to the poster who said about people being electrocuted so ban electricity and the one with the “cotton wool” jibe, you would soon change your attitude it were your child that was killed by a young driver...
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I didn't interpret them as jibes, more of a furstration at the proposal of blanket bans on things that only a few are in danger from - and usually because the person in danger places themselves in that danger.
A child can be killed by a car travelling at 30mph regardless of tyre tread or size.
I go back to my earlier post about inevitability. It's just a sad fact of life that some people will die before their time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You could just call it natural selection.
I think the older drivers i.e 65+ are a bigger menace on the roads."
Agree! But its both ends of the spectrum.
Should be capped at the maximum cc car you can have depending on how many years you have had your license... but i dont think OAPs should be allowed to drive V12 supercars lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The sad truth is not enough people are dying from natural disasters, accidents and war.
Over the centuries war especially has kept earth numbers manageable, a good plague now and again to help out, 2 or 3 natural disasters and we are on the right track, 1st World War, 60,000 allies killed on the first day of the Somme.
We just aren't doing enough to keep the numbers down and sustainable, so I propose lowering the age limit for driving high power cars and bikes to 8 years old and adding ferarri engines to prams.
Running over OAP's should give you tax credits and polution should be encouraged instead of re-cyling  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How the hell do they police it, stop every vehicle.
In theory yes these groups are responsible for a lot of accidents and deaths. But it would be a nightmare to control and with police numbers falling again I ask how you would out it into practice
not so difficult - could be written in as a step in the licence after L Driver with the conditions written in. This would be clear and easy for the police to check just as they check licences now.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think that sometimes we just have to accept that some people will die in the due course of a day passing and all the legislature in the world won't prevent it. It makes sense to restrict ALL new drivers to a car no powerful than a 1.0litre engine but even the newer cars produced today in that category can travel in excess of 100mph, and how do you stop a new motorist from entering a motorway sliproad?
'P'-plates have proved workable elsewhere in the world and that's a plan we should adopt over here. It doesn't stop a teenager eager to impress his mates or his g/f that he's a 'top driver in his fast car' from removing his 'p'-plates prematurely though. I don't believe using the insurance method to force them off the road or into smaller cars is the way forward either as I wouldn't want insurance companies to have that much power over the geenral motorist - where do we stop them if they decree that other 'risk categories' should pay higher insurance too? High mileage drivers like myself for instance.
Every scheme we can think of to save lives will be detrimental to someone else somewhere else. It's inevitable, just as a day passing carries an inevitability that some of us won't see the end of it."
My ex would not let my sons join a football club because he said it was a dangerous sport. He also wanted to ban them climbing trees! Drew the line at that one!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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How ridiculous! That puts me in that band, I am 22 - ban me from driving at night and I won't be able to come home from/go to work as I work funny shifts.
People die everyday of all ages from lots of different things, we can't just ban everything that involves risk!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"...anyone below the age of 37 should not be allowed to drive, more road for me then...  "
yeah and pretty soon we will be allowed to work till we drop but not to drive. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How ridiculous! That puts me in that band, I am 22 - ban me from driving at night and I won't be able to come home from/go to work as I work funny shifts.
People die everyday of all ages from lots of different things, we can't just ban everything that involves risk!!"
Are you a stand-up comedien? |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"And to the poster who said about people being electrocuted so ban electricity and the one with the “cotton wool” jibe, you would soon change your attitude it were your child that was killed by a young driver...
I didn't interpret them as jibes, more of a furstration at the proposal of blanket bans on things that only a few are in danger from - and usually because the person in danger places themselves in that danger.
A child can be killed by a car travelling at 30mph regardless of tyre tread or size.
I go back to my earlier post about inevitability. It's just a sad fact of life that some people will die before their time. "
And we shouldn't look at ways to protect them, as far as possible from themselves? I am not advocating draconian measures, just that we recognise we can do little things without impinging (too much)on their freedoms.
If we had had a curfew law in the UK in January 2007, Rob would likely be alive today. He was killed at 8pm by a new driver (3 months) who had had a pint of beer and was driving a Toyota Supra with a nitrous injection system on it!
The driver had no experience to speak of and plainly didn't realise what a Nitrous injector could do! In a perverse sort of way, we do feel a little for the kid, he should never have been able to buy or drive that car at 17 years old.
At 17 he a wasn't grown up and just as you would do anything to protect your kids, perhaps we should try protecting all kids by restricting them for four to five years. We did it with mopeds. That was a move that nearly everyone approved of. Why not do the same with cars? |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"A university study has suggested that banning new drivers aged 17-24 from driving at night,drinking any alcohol and having passengers of a similar age in the car could save 200 lives a year and prevent 1700 injuries
What do you think of this?"
Probably a good idea but if you go that far maybe all drivers should have mandatory retests every 10 years and above 70 every 5.
I have to say the evening driving isn't a bad thing as is the mates in the car but what about university students coming home and say a 21yr old who is working a evening shift in say pizza hut? I am not sure if imposing more rules would help because the ones who offend often break the law anyway with no insurance etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think drivers under 25 should be kept in compounds with electric fences and everyone over 60 should be killed and used for food in low budget freezer shop 'chicken style' products."
or green biscuits |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"I think drivers under 25 should be kept in compounds with electric fences and everyone over 60 should be killed and used for food in low budget freezer shop 'chicken style' products.
or green biscuits "
Mmmm Soylent Green  |
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Raise minimum age to 21
6 month ban if caught speeding within the first year of passing their test
5 Year ban first offence for drink driving..10 year for the second offence and take the cars of them and sell them in both instances and put it to a central fund for people who have suffered a lost through drink drivers
Two month ban 6 points for using a phone while driving
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"Raise minimum age to 21
6 month ban if caught speeding within the first year of passing their test
5 Year ban first offence for drink driving..10 year for the second offence and take the cars of them and sell them in both instances and put it to a central fund for people who have suffered a lost through drink drivers
Two month ban 6 points for using a phone while driving
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Nice thought but bans in general don't work. There are so many now driving without a licence, insurance etc it is no deterrent to them. |
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i think its so silly when people judge a whole group of people like this... not every bad driver is young, not every bad driver is new... its like saying all muslims should not carry backpacks on the tube 'just to be on the safe side'.
i dont know, the way so many people think these days suprise me so much... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Raise minimum age to 21
6 month ban if caught speeding within the first year of passing their test
5 Year ban first offence for drink driving..10 year for the second offence and take the cars of them and sell them in both instances and put it to a central fund for people who have suffered a lost through drink drivers
Two month ban 6 points for using a phone while driving
Nice thought but bans in general don't work. There are so many now driving without a licence, insurance etc it is no deterrent to them."
The criminal element won't be affected by any new laws as they'll simply carry on breaking them anyway - and probably costing some poor innocent his or her life in the process.
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"i think its so silly when people judge a whole group of people like this... not every bad driver is young, not every bad driver is new... its like saying all muslims should not carry backpacks on the tube 'just to be on the safe side'.
i dont know, the way so many people think these days suprise me so much..."
Indeed..not all young drivers are bad drivers..but the majority of bad drivers are young..theres a difference.
And they should be punished.
I think saying 'it wont work because they ignore the law' is giving in..make it work..and if they dont give in...bang em up |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i think its so silly when people judge a whole group of people like this... not every bad driver is young, not every bad driver is new... its like saying all muslims should not carry backpacks on the tube 'just to be on the safe side'.
i dont know, the way so many people think these days suprise me so much...
Indeed..not all young drivers are bad drivers..but the majority of bad drivers are young..theres a difference.
And they should be punished.
I think saying 'it wont work because they ignore the law' is giving in..make it work..and if they dont give in...bang em up"
That is interesting but how do you propose to pay for the cost of incarcerating all these young car offenders? The country needs to cut back not spend more by banging them up as you say! |
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By *andcCouple
over a year ago
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The reason young drivers are statiscally more likely to have an accident has little to do with their age but the fact that they are inexperienced in driving and situations they may find themselve in, this can also happen to a 40 year old man who has just past his test too. Again this also stands true for a middle aged man or woman who have just past their test and driving a fast car with Nitrous etc.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i think its so silly when people judge a whole group of people like this... not every bad driver is young, not every bad driver is new... its like saying all muslims should not carry backpacks on the tube 'just to be on the safe side'.
i dont know, the way so many people think these days suprise me so much...
Indeed..not all young drivers are bad drivers..but the majority of bad drivers are young..theres a difference.
And they should be punished.
I think saying 'it wont work because they ignore the law' is giving in..make it work..and if they dont give in...bang em up"
I applaud your forthright and firm stance. There is no freedom without the prosecution of laws. I know this from experience in a country with many laws and no prosecution. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The reason young drivers are statiscally more likely to have an accident has little to do with their age but the fact that they are inexperienced in driving and situations they may find themselve in, this can also happen to a 40 year old man who has just past his test too. Again this also stands true for a middle aged man or woman who have just past their test and driving a fast car with Nitrous etc.."
I have talked about this with my sons and they both agree that they were "wild" drivers and took unecessary risks in the exitement of driving. They agree that this is an age related thing. They are still youngish 27 and 29 but have the benefit of experience and reflection behind them now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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why not just raise the age for driving, allways the temptation to go out at night bit like saying no drink full stop you will still get ppl drinking and driving,
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By (user no longer on site)
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both me and dai use our cars for work at night and wouldnt be able to work with out them, we personally think that this idea sucks!
alot of other youngsters are in the same position as we are too.
they should make the driving tests more thorough to out the poorer drivers, us youngster arent all the same and we cant understand why we are treated all the same  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"A university study has suggested that banning new drivers aged 17-24 from driving at night,drinking any alcohol and having passengers of a similar age in the car could save 200 lives a year and prevent 1700 injuries
What do you think of this?"
interesting you say this... rather than some of this maybe it would be work making the "pass plus" complusary... I was looking at doing it anyway, but it covers stuff that is always tested, like motorway driving and driving in the dark.....
I was looking at doing it because it can significantly discount your insurance costs |
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No the study was only based on new drivers