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If the worst happens and we get a Labour Government in May

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

at least we know they wont be lying when they say the Russians have weapons of mass destruction.

Are our leaders Political and Military deranged to suggest we go to war against Russia?

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By *asokittyWoman over a year ago

Nr Worksop

That's the worst? Really. Ukip/tory coalition and we're all fucked.

Aside from the white british millionaire male of course.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

at least we know they wont be lying when they say the Russians have weapons of mass destruction.

Are our leaders Political and Military deranged to suggest we go to war against Russia?

I wasn't aware anyone had suggested war against Russia.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's the worst? Really. Ukip/tory coalition and we're all fucked.

Aside from the white british millionaire male of course."

I'm not voting ukip.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

To be honest with you, I think we're all fucked whoever gets in.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

what we need is someone like, Uruguayan President José Mujica, poorest president in the world.

He doesnt have a problem against the rich but doesnt want them running his country, he does everything for the poor and working class

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"what we need is someone like, Uruguayan President José Mujica, poorest president in the world.

He doesnt have a problem against the rich but doesnt want them running his country, he does everything for the poor and working class"

He did, hasnt something happened to him lately? I vaguely saw a news story.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I won't be voting conservative. A certain gentleman on here thinks that's quite strange given my background, but there's always a curve wrecker, isn't there?

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"what we need is someone like, Uruguayan President José Mujica, poorest president in the world.

He doesnt have a problem against the rich but doesnt want them running his country, he does everything for the poor and working class

He did, hasnt something happened to him lately? I vaguely saw a news story.

His term as President ran out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'll get financial help if they come in, so my life will be improved.

Dunno anything about a war though? Our leaders need to lead us into war, we may, or may not, follow.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

They will continue the cuts,people who think otherwise are dreaming

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Where did this war against Russia bit come from (apart from the obvious WMD sarcasm)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I love these threads, not for the reasoned debates but the bile and half truths that start.

Sits back with popcorn ??

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By *icked weaselCouple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

Pity we Cant Vote "None of the Above" and get them all out..

Don't Trust any of them..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I do feel there's a real genuine tide of people of all parties getting pissed off with the bullshit

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Vive la Revolution.

Oooops wrong thread.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

at least we know they wont be lying when they say the Russians have weapons of mass destruction.

Are our leaders Political and Military deranged to suggest we go to war against Russia?

As we are in Nato, if Putin attacks a Nato country we would have no choice but to defend them. As USA is in Nato though very doubtful Putin would try anything silly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's the worst? Really. Ukip/tory coalition and we're all fucked.

Aside from the white british millionaire male of course."

Yes, because it's always white, British millionaire males that are the problem!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do feel there's a real genuine tide of people of all parties getting pissed off with the bullshit"

You mean people who have previously voted for all parties....people "of the parties" as in politicians and party members are still not listening....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I was thinking that maybe this could be the quickest war in history!

But actually, all Putin would need to do is switch of the gas & Europe would be fckd

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We're all doomed no matter what doomed I said doomed.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I do feel there's a real genuine tide of people of all parties getting pissed off with the bullshit

You mean people who have previously voted for all parties....people "of the parties" as in politicians and party members are still not listening...."

It'd be interesting to know how many Fabsters are members of political parties. Not WHICH party, just those who put their money where their mouth is.

I'm a paid up member of the Labour Party.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think Cameron's doing a decent job considering the shit that Labour left and if I do decide to vote, I will be going with the Conservatives.

People conveniently forget that Labour were the ones who introduced tuition fees and started the privatisation of the NHS!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

loll did you see how Cameroon chickens out to a one on one question time with milliband, he obviously knows he will lose, labour to win

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"loll did you see how Cameroon chickens out to a one on one question time with milliband, he obviously knows he will lose, labour to win

Cameron's just too cool. Those debates are just gimmicks anyway. It'll just turn into a circus!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Raving Looney party.. Oops I mean green obviously

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By *errynjuneCouple over a year ago

Barnsley

After all Harold Wilson caused more problems,...., sorry been googling amazing facts again.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"loll did you see how Cameroon chickens out to a one on one question time with milliband, he obviously knows he will lose, labour to win

Cameron's just too cool. Those debates are just gimmicks anyway. It'll just turn into a circus!"
YEs but fun to see the battle on the stage, wonder if the same peeps will vote for Cameroon as he lied about the 3k tuition fee for university hmmmmm, gues they will vote for other parties.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"loll did you see how Cameroon chickens out to a one on one question time with milliband, he obviously knows he will lose, labour to win

Yes, it's like he's hiding behind the

Eton bike shed, Eton bike shed.

......there could be a song there one day...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"loll did you see how Cameroon chickens out to a one on one question time with milliband, he obviously knows he will lose, labour to win

Cameron's just too cool. Those debates are just gimmicks anyway. It'll just turn into a circus!"
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Lol Cameron is about as cool as kool ...

He's a rich talking millionaire's son who desperately seeks love!.

I wouldn't vote for any of them, they've all shown over the years a consistent habit to lie like fuck.... Now if you lot like being lied to great, go ahead and vote for which tit takes your preference, but don't go talking bollocks about the Tories have done this or labour did that, they did what the highest briber told them too. End of

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"loll did you see how Cameroon chickens out to a one on one question time with milliband, he obviously knows he will lose, labour to win

Cameron's just too cool. Those debates are just gimmicks anyway. It'll just turn into a circus!"

I'd like to see the debates, with Cameron in them. Main reason i'd like to see the debates though is to watch Farage wipe the floor with Clegg again like he did in last years televised EU debates.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"loll did you see how Cameroon chickens out to a one on one question time with milliband, he obviously knows he will lose, labour to win

Cameron's just too cool. Those debates are just gimmicks anyway. It'll just turn into a circus!"

I've learnt a brand new thing today; Cameron is now cool!!

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By *icked weaselCouple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

If you Don't VOTE.. where does it go ??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you Don't VOTE.. where does it go ??"
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They reroute it to xfactor!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think Cameron's doing a decent job considering the shit that Labour left and if I do decide to vote, I will be going with the Conservatives.

People conveniently forget that Labour were the ones who introduced tuition fees and started the privatisation of the NHS!"

& the conservatives & their supporters always 'conveniently' fail to mention the total bankers every time the financial mess is brought up again;

It's utterly tedious!!

& every time it not written or spoken, I just cannot seem to get that hideous Cameron voice out of my brain, - HEEEEELP!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think Cameron's doing a decent job considering the shit that Labour left and if I do decide to vote, I will be going with the Conservatives.

People conveniently forget that Labour were the ones who introduced tuition fees and started the privatisation of the NHS!

& the conservatives & their supporters always 'conveniently' fail to mention the total bankers every time the financial mess is brought up again;

It's utterly tedious!!

& every time it not written or spoken, I just cannot seem to get that hideous Cameron voice out of my brain, - HEEEEELP!!

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You know the quote that gets me.... Gordon brown sold all our gold while it was in a massive low...

Just how stupid is someone to think Gordon brown was just sat in the office and thought ooooo golds low at the moment... Think I might sell that 400 tonnes we've got lying around

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'll be voting liberal. History shows that democratic socialism and proportional representation is a fast track route to an extreme right wing government, followed by re-arming and zero unemployment thanks to the draught and munitions factories. I'm literally salivating at the thought...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'll be voting liberal. History shows that democratic socialism and proportional representation is a fast track route to an extreme right wing government, followed by re-arming and zero unemployment thanks to the draught and munitions factories. I'm literally salivating at the thought...

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...Typical.

I've just perfected my Roman salute and now it's all off

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By *asokittyWoman over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"I do feel there's a real genuine tide of people of all parties getting pissed off with the bullshit

You mean people who have previously voted for all parties....people "of the parties" as in politicians and party members are still not listening....

It'd be interesting to know how many Fabsters are members of political parties. Not WHICH party, just those who put their money where their mouth is.

I'm a paid up member of the Labour Party."

Yep.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I sometimes wake up screaming in the night because my trade union supports the labour party.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I sometimes wake up screaming in the night because my trade union supports the labour party."
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We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their right to strike"

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I sometimes wake up screaming in the night because my trade union supports the labour party."

The screaming may be down to to your proximity to Porton Down.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I sometimes wake up screaming in the night because my trade union supports the labour party..

We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their right to strike" "

1933.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I sometimes wake up screaming in the night because my trade union supports the labour party..

We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their right to strike"

1933."
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Great men do great things with the economy that keeps everyone happy... Bit like David Cameron

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

ukip all the way

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I sometimes wake up screaming in the night because my trade union supports the labour party..

We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their right to strike" "

I still support the union and obviously will, until the day i die, until the day i die. But i didn't join up thinking I'd be supporting that camel nosed fuck.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I sometimes wake up screaming in the night because my trade union supports the labour party..

We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their right to strike"

I still support the union and obviously will, until the day i die, until the day i die. But i didn't join up thinking I'd be supporting that camel nosed fuck."
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You should joined the h.a.p.p.y union instead...

Wine growers and tasters

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I sometimes wake up screaming in the night because my trade union supports the labour party.

The screaming may be down to to your proximity to Porton Down."

Gotta say there's alot of plus points living here. It's very difficult to hit a bunny with your car when they all glow in the dark...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I sometimes wake up screaming in the night because my trade union supports the labour party..

We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their right to strike"

1933..

Great men do great things with the economy that keeps everyone happy...

Bit like David Cameron"

You're forgetting, he's now to be known as 'coolcam'!!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Labour had an economy in growth, after global meltdown due to banks. Then the Tories followed a plan that would not stimulate growth, pretty dumb really. The ukip Muppets, more of the same old Tory stuff make a lot of noise, but just as self interested.

A new force could be great but there's enormous pressure against it. I don't know who to vote for.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Labour had an economy in growth, after global meltdown due to banks. Then the Tories followed a plan that would not stimulate growth, pretty dumb really. The ukip Muppets, more of the same old Tory stuff make a lot of noise, but just as self interested.

A new force could be great but there's enormous pressure against it. I don't know who to vote for."
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You know what colour the hulk choose... He's pretty cool

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can't vote conservative due to Harrier and Ark Royal. So I'm left with UKIP.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Labour had an economy in growth, after global meltdown due to banks."

Yes and who was it who de-regulated the banks as one of his first acts as chancellor in 1997....Gordon Brown thats who. Because of his actions then made our situation worse when the global collapse happened. Also years of Labour over-spending, and never keeping any money aside in the kitty for potential problems arising (such as the global banking crisis), very irresponsible behaviour if you ask me.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

A new force could be great but there's enormous pressure against it. I don't know who to vote for....

You know what colour the hulk choose... He's pretty cool"

The Phantom chose Purple, he was pretty cool aswel.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can't vote conservative due to Harrier and Ark Royal. So I'm left with UKIP."
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My revolution is fighting the revolution... I'm doing great with the big man's speech's tonight

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A new force could be great but there's enormous pressure against it. I don't know who to vote for....

You know what colour the hulk choose... He's pretty cool

The Phantom chose Purple, he was pretty cool aswel.

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You know the weird bit is... Farage is about the most likeable one out of the lot...

I don't know if that makes me laugh or worried

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Labour had an economy in growth, after global meltdown due to banks.

You choose to forget who actually kept the banks afloat and the ATMs working when it could all too easily have gone tits-up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Labour had an economy in growth, after global meltdown due to banks.

That's very true but also, the Tory's were dead against Angela Mirkel's proposal for tighter regulated banks, which would tell me that they would have done similar to Brown.

I don't believe there's one single party that's fit for the purpose of serving the people, so I don't know who to vote for - but definitely not ukip, omg no!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ahhh the coup d etat of the wealthy investment banker.

You know if you'd tried telling a conspiracy theory in 1998 of what would happen in the 2000s ...I think they might just have locked you up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Labour had an economy in growth, after global meltdown due to banks.

That's very true but also, the Tory's were dead against Angela Mirkel's proposal for tighter regulated banks, which would tell me that they would have done similar to Brown.

I don't believe there's one single party that's fit for the purpose of serving the people, so I don't know who to vote for - but definitely not ukip, omg no!!!"
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The green party were for tighter banking controls

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We're fucked no matter who "gets in".

The current government was voted for by something like 5% of all people able to vote. There's no representation of the people at all. The whole system is a broken one that's left us with a worthless oligarchy almost edging upon what's looks like becoming dictatorship.

The really fucked bit is people still think the system is the right one regardless of how screwed they are by which government "party". It isn't, it's broken and until something changes we're all fucked. On one hand the Tories are a pretty fascist party but not necessarily appear the way due to media spin and ukip taking a ridiculously right wing stance.

Labour are somewhere in the middle and are just a bunch of buffoons who went to the same school as their Tory mates and will inevitably continue down the persecution if the poor route but blame their lib/Tory predecessors for putting in place something they now can't do anything about.

These politicians encourage division in society. Fucking nobheads!

The only real option is the greens, but then how can they really be an option in such a broken system?

It's fucked, we're fucked. Let's fuck!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's fucked, we're fucked. Let's fuck!.

That's brilliant... I'm putting that in the suggestion box at the next green party convention.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's fucked, we're fucked. Let's fuck!.

That's brilliant... I'm putting that in the suggestion box at the next green party convention.

Fuck, - just fuck!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In reality humans are way past the point of wishy washy middle ground politics to sort any of our current problems out.

Analytically looking at it we either need an ultra right wing or ultra left wing policy establishment.

The human in me choose the ultra left but the realistic side of me knows we'll get the ultra right as fear is a humans greatest response tool.

History teaches us what you lot vote for will have no consequences at all, no true change comes without bloodshed, isis know that and so does every world government.

But go ahead and vote for whoever as it will at least make you feel like your having a say.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Labour had an economy in growth, after global meltdown due to banks.

You choose to forget who actually kept the banks afloat and the ATMs working when it could all too easily have gone tits-up."
Well its pleaseing to Hear they did something right and thank god they did.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's the worst? Really. Ukip/tory coalition and we're all fucked.

Aside from the white british millionaire male of course.

Yes, because it's always white, British millionaire males that are the problem!"

Throw one my way

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's the worst? Really. Ukip/tory coalition and we're all fucked.

Aside from the white british millionaire male of course.

Yes, because it's always white, British millionaire males that are the problem!

Throw one my way

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british/english millionaire males sounds better..

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By *lttattoocoupleCouple over a year ago

Worcester

Worse thing would be tory again

Personal opinion though

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By *asokittyWoman over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"That's the worst? Really. Ukip/tory coalition and we're all fucked.

Aside from the white british millionaire male of course.

Yes, because it's always white, British millionaire males that are the problem!

Throw one my way

british/english millionaire males sounds better.. "

Why?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We're fucked no matter who "gets in".

These politicians encourage division in society. Fucking nobheads!

The only real option is the greens, but then how can they really be an option in such a broken system?

It's fucked, we're fucked. Let's fuck!

My vote goes to you!!

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By *now white1000Woman over a year ago

York

it will be another 'hung parliament'

though i'd much rather see a few MP's hung

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"Labour had an economy in growth, after global meltdown due to banks.

You choose to forget who actually kept the banks afloat and the ATMs working when it could all too easily have gone tits-up."

Yes he did and I don't think that any Prime Minister of any political persuasion would have allowed a major High Street bank to fail. The fall out from a British bank failing would have been catastrophic and led to a far worse recession.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

This is probably the most difficult election to call since the war. Even the so called experts are turned into waffling lumps of jelly when asked to make a prediction.

A few things we can be pretty certain of though.

There will not be a majority Labour or Tory government.

The Lib Dems will be decimated (at least) I think if they hold on to 20 MP's they will have done well.

Labour will get a good kicking in Scotland.

Minor party's will effect this election more than at any time in history. I doubt that the Greens will pick up any seats ( I even think Lucas will get kicked out in Brighton) but their vote share will affect the results in quite a few seats. Their problem is that their vote share is pretty evenly spread around the country so turning single figure polling into seats will be almost impossible for them.

UKIP will pick up some seats. While they are only polling at 15% their support is a lot more concentrated in certain areas than the Greens. I expect them to pick up ten or a dozen mostly from Kent, Essex, Lincolnshire, and possibly parts of Yorkshire and will cause havoc in lots of other seats where they don't win.

I don't expect to see Cameron or Milliband waving at the door of Downing St the following morning either. The horse trading could go on for days or even weeks before a government is formed and I wouldn't rule out another election before the end of the year.

Play nicely now children

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By *ulie and PaulCouple over a year ago

stockportish

Which ever party you vote for they are in politics for one thing....Themselves

Don't think there is a difference between labour/conservative and lib dems

Most have never had a proper job in there life,and then have the nerve to tell us we are in this together

Wouldn't trust any of them

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

Can't help but wonder what might happen if those people who have such a negative outlook would actually pause for a moment and look at the UK from the outside in.

Britain is great, Britain is booming and Britain is successful. If Britain were the abject failure that so many people think why do we get so many people from all over the world want to come her? It certainly is not because of the weather.

Britain and British people need to snap out of this mode of complacency and expectation and actually look at what we have. A stable democracy, a growing economy and opportunity for anyone who is prepared to make an effort. What is so wrong with that when is so many parts of the world there is nothing.

Let's be grateful for what we have in this country. I think some people are blinded by their own anger to such an extent that they simply do not see how fortunate they really are to live in this country.

Just as a matter of interest, if it is so bad here... Where is it better?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can't help but wonder what might happen if those people who have such a negative outlook would actually pause for a moment and look at the UK from the outside in.

Just as a matter of interest, if it is so bad here... Where is it better? "
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GDP has been flat for 17 years!.

Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Australia.. Etc etc

I think we're 15th on quality of life index.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Very astute analysis, I am in agreement

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Can't help but wonder what might happen if those people who have such a negative outlook would actually pause for a moment and look at the UK from the outside in.

Just as a matter of interest, if it is so bad here... Where is it better? "

Good post.

Where is better? Apart from the weather certainly not Spain. France? Some have said that the French have a better lifestyle but just like the Greeks they are now finding out that eventually they have to pick up the tab for it. Germany is good, I certainly feel safer there but taxes are high and life is highly regulated, oh and it's fookin freezin in the winter.

I suppose it is difficult to compare say a rural French/Italian lifestyle with a British inner city and it would depend a lot on which socio economic group you belong to, but overall Britain is pretty good. Especially for anyone with a bit of entrepreneurial spirit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't vote, but some massive shake up needs to happen with immigration

Personally think they all pass in same pot

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can't help but wonder what might happen if those people who have such a negative outlook would actually pause for a moment and look at the UK from the outside in.

Just as a matter of interest, if it is so bad here... Where is it better? "

Hard to say;

Food in their bellies (Mostly)

Roof over their heads (usually)

Secure employment (periodically)

Healthcare/welfare (consistently)

Benefits (argumentatively)

Social life (restrictively)

We need to identify a place where all the above become (uncompromising)

Question for you.

How would you advise a person to improve their situation in today's Britain ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Labour are torys.

These politicians/bankers are in in it for themselves.

Cunts

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By *ajandroseMan over a year ago

tamworth

"Can't help but wonder what might happen if those people who have such a negative outlook would actually pause for a moment and look at the UK from the outside in.

Just as a matter of interest, if it is so bad here... Where is it better? "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The Tories supported the invasion I've WMD. They saw the same reports and voted for it (after leaving saddam in power when they had chance to get him)

Anybody, even the greens, would be better than UKIP.

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By *layfull pairingCouple over a year ago

Bristol

Vote for me instead....

Compulsory wearing of mini skirts by all working age ladies

all laws replaced with one "dont take the piss" rule

Richard branson as business minister

jeremy clarkson as transport minister prince philip as foreign affairs minister

what could possibly go wrong ?

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By *asokittyWoman over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"Can't help but wonder what might happen if those people who have such a negative outlook would actually pause for a moment and look at the UK from the outside in.

Just as a matter of interest, if it is so bad here... Where is it better? "

The nhs is on its knees.

Massive unemployment.

children going hungry.

Working families using food banks.

Honelessless increased.

Thousands of suicides of disabled claimants after being told they can work

Ian Duncan Smith.

Where is this great Britain you talk of?

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

The nhs is on its knees.

Massive unemployment.

children going hungry.

Working families using food banks.

Honelessless increased.

Thousands of suicides of disabled claimants after being told they can work

Ian Duncan Smith.

Where is this great Britain you talk of?"

Rubbish. You cant pick out extremes in society and pretend that represents normality for everyone. This is nothing more than generalisation and exageration of negative point of view.

Britain is booming and is a great place to live. Why do you think we attract so many immigrants if we are on our knees? The pound is strong despite QE and this is a well known health check of the economy. Why would the pound be strong if we were in such a dire position?

I'd also be interested to see a verifiable link to "thousands" of disabled people committing suicide... but I supect its just a broad generalisation again because you have seen a story about one person.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

The nhs is on its knees.

Massive unemployment.

children going hungry.

Working families using food banks.

Honelessless increased.

Thousands of suicides of disabled claimants after being told they can work

Ian Duncan Smith.

Where is this great Britain you talk of?

Rubbish. You cant pick out extremes in society and pretend that represents normality for everyone. This is nothing more than generalisation and exageration of negative point of view.

hang on ..... why is it ok for you to generalise and not others. britian may be booming for you but it certainly isn't booming for everyone. and growth at 0.7% is not booming by anyones standards except the tory spin doctors and a strong pound is known to be the cause of poor overseas trade which is why those in manufacturing aren't happy right now.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

The country will be better off under labour

Who gave us the vote

Who gave us the NHS

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By *lshere77Man over a year ago

Wigan

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By *lshere77Man over a year ago

Wigan

"I sometimes wake up screaming in the night because my trade union supports the labour party."

leave your union then and stop moaning.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you want further decimation of arned forces at time we need to be on alert. If you further decimation in police numbers. If you want further destruction of nhs then vote tory.

Austerity has failed and think most other nations have woke up to fact.

Vote tory and things will be kot worse unless you are multi millionaire or major company like starbucks who get away paying tax earned on goods bought in uk.

Vote ukip all they offer is the stupid euro little englanders shite. They want nhs to be reolaced by private healthcare words from mouth of Farage who suddenly after realising he has been rumbles comes up with notion to give nhs money now.

As for Clegg may he rot in hell his campaign last time was fair deal for students then overnight student fees were trebled.

So yes while clearly some concerns re Labour out of the options available they are looking like the most fair for the vulnerable and less well off.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The country will be better off under labour

Who gave us the vote

Who gave us the NHS

These exaggerated claims that the NHS owes its whole creation to the Labour party are only possible through the most colossal ignorance and misrepresentation of the past, of what was a cross-party consensus. The NHS was Britain's triumph, not Labour's.

And it was a conservative government that gave women the vote.

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By *lshere77Man over a year ago

Wigan

Yawns.......gender equality.....another idea constantly championed by the tories..not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yawns.......gender equality.....another idea constantly championed by the tories..not."

With the Conservative Party in full control in 1928, it passed the Representation of the People (Equal Franchise) Act that extended the voting franchise to all women over the age of 21, granting women the vote on the same terms as men.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

"The country will be better off under labour

Who gave us the vote

Who gave us the NHS

And it was a conservative government that gave women the vote. "

And the labour partying Gave the common man the vote

You choose whish bit of history to believe

Fair enough

But I'm not ignorant of the truth

The tories routinely invent tax avoidance schemes for the rich

Anyway

I'm not arguing

Carry on up there in elitist cloud cuckoo land

Cheerio

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The country will be better off under labour

Who gave us the vote

Who gave us the NHS

And it was a conservative government that gave women the vote.

And the labour partying Gave the common man the vote

You choose whish bit of history to believe

Fair enough

But I'm not ignorant of the truth

The tories routinely invent tax avoidance schemes for the rich

Anyway

I'm not arguing

Carry on up there in elitist cloud cuckoo land

Cheerio "

If pointing out inacurasies in your post makes me elitist then so be it. I'm happy with that.

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By *lshere77Man over a year ago

Wigan

"Yawns.......gender equality.....another idea constantly championed by the tories..not.

With the Conservative Party in full control in 1928, it passed the Representation of the People (Equal Franchise) Act that extended the voting franchise to all women over the age of 21,

granting women the vote on the same terms as men.

That was nearly 90 years ago lol. They ain't done much to promote equality since!

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

"The country will be better off under labour

Who gave us the vote

Who gave us the NHS

And it was a conservative government that gave women the vote.

And the labour partying Gave the common man the vote

You choose whish bit of history to believe

Fair enough

But I'm not ignorant of the truth

The tories routinely invent tax avoidance schemes for the rich

Anyway

I'm not arguing

Carry on up there in elitist cloud cuckoo land

Cheerio

If pointing out inacurasies in your post makes me elitist then so be it. I'm happy with that. "

Yawn

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Labour were the party who started privatisation of the NHS...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The country will be better off under labour

Who gave us the vote

Who gave us the NHS

And it was a conservative government that gave women the vote.

And the labour partying Gave the common man the vote

You choose whish bit of history to believe

Fair enough

But I'm not ignorant of the truth

The tories routinely invent tax avoidance schemes for the rich

Anyway

I'm not arguing

Carry on up there in elitist cloud cuckoo land

Cheerio

If pointing out inacurasies in your post makes me elitist then so be it. I'm happy with that.

Yawn "

Very constructive and well thought out , it may take me a while to come back with an answer to such a thought provoking post.

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By *asokittyWoman over a year ago

Nr Worksop

The nhs is on its knees.

Massive unemployment.

children going hungry.

Working families using food banks.

Honelessless increased.

Thousands of suicides of disabled claimants after being told they can work

Ian Duncan Smith.

Where is this great Britain you talk of?

Rubbish. You cant pick out extremes in society and pretend that represents normality for everyone. This is nothing more than generalisation and exageration of negative point of view.

Precisely this. I am a strong disability rights campaigner. Trust me there are 1000s. Have a look. But if your world is ok that blind eye comes in handy.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

"The country will be better off under labour

Who gave us the vote

Who gave us the NHS

And it was a conservative government that gave women the vote.

And the labour partying Gave the common man the vote

You choose whish bit of history to believe

Fair enough

But I'm not ignorant of the truth

The tories routinely invent tax avoidance schemes for the rich

Anyway

I'm not arguing

Carry on up there in elitist cloud cuckoo land

Cheerio

If pointing out inacurasies in your post makes me elitist then so be it. I'm happy with that.

Yawn

Very constructive and well thought out , it may take me a while to come back with an answer to such a thought provoking post. "

Like I did say

Im not arguing

Believe what you want to

I'll do the same because clearly we disagree so that's the end of it for me

Ttfn

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

The tories routinely invent tax avoidance schemes for the rich

That is just a fabricated lie and I challenge you to verify it with facts.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

The tories routinely invent tax avoidance schemes for the rich

That is just a fabricated lie and I challenge you to verify it with facts.

I refuse your challenge

See ya

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yawns.......gender equality.....another idea constantly championed by the tories..not.

With the Conservative Party in full control in 1928, it passed the Representation of the People (Equal Franchise) Act that extended the voting franchise to all women over the age of 21,

granting women the vote on the same terms as men.

That was nearly 90 years ago lol. They ain't done much to promote equality since!

So a labour MP calling Nicola Sturgeon "A wee lass in a tin helmet" is promoting equality is it ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Think I will extend my stay Down Under. I was in Australia when that dickhead politician Knighted Prince Phillip

Same bullshitters over here but at least they have a sense of humour

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

Austerity has failed and think most other nations have woke up to fact.

Like who??

Greece??

Just because the public dont like it, does not mean that it is wrong. If right and wrong were decided by what we like or dislike - anarchy would reign.

I don't like paying my mortgages every month, but just like Greece I have to pay my debts. As do we all in this country too.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

The tories routinely invent tax avoidance schemes for the rich

That is just a fabricated lie and I challenge you to verify it with facts.

I refuse your challenge

See ya "

I wonder why lol...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

at least we know they wont be lying when they say the Russians have weapons of mass destruction.

Are our leaders Political and Military deranged to suggest we go to war against Russia?

aye and hes noted for his sanity isnt he ! bare chested tiger wrestling anybody DOH !

As we are in Nato, if Putin attacks a Nato country we would have no choice but to defend them. As USA is in Nato though very doubtful Putin would try anything silly. "

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

The nhs is on its knees.

Massive unemployment.

children going hungry.

Working families using food banks.

Honelessless increased.

Thousands of suicides of disabled claimants after being told they can work

Ian Duncan Smith.

Where is this great Britain you talk of?

Rubbish. You cant pick out extremes in society and pretend that represents normality for everyone. This is nothing more than generalisation and exageration of negative point of view.

Who is generalising? It is a well known fact that the strength of a currency is an indication of the underlying economy. That is a fact. It is immaterial that a strong pound hurts exports. Britain has the strongest economy in Europe - again - just a fact. Britain created more jobs last year than the whole of the rest of the EU.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Ref. the NHS, it's been the Conservatives and LibDems who have burdened our NHS this term.

After Cameron's "No top-down reorganisations of the NHS", which - once elected - they immediately made the biggest reorganisation in the NHS history, costing us £billions, which was £billions that would have been better spent upon patient care.

The LibDems helped them, supporting and voting through the Health and Social Care Act, which allows for many politicians and their buddies to make money out of the NHS. A lot of MPs work for companies that can provide services instead of the NHS, quelle surprise!

I see why the NHS can be better trusted in the hands of Labour. And why many would not trust Conservative or LibDems.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

Precisely this. I am a strong disability rights campaigner. Trust me there are 1000s. Have a look. But if your world is ok that blind eye comes in handy. "

Where? Look where? Just give me a reliable source BBC/SKY/non tabloid newspaper. I am very open to be educated and to understand what is going on in the world but I prefer to be educated by things that can be verified.

I have not read or seen anything other than your post that says thousands of disabled people are committing suicide because they are being signed off as fit for work. That would be a scandal of epic proportions if true - rather than what it seems to be at the moment... Nothing more than a figment of a fevered imagination.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

The nhs is on its knees.

Massive unemployment.

children going hungry.

Working families using food banks.

Honelessless increased.

Thousands of suicides of disabled claimants after being told they can work

Ian Duncan Smith.

Where is this great Britain you talk of?

Rubbish. You cant pick out extremes in society and pretend that represents normality for everyone. This is nothing more than generalisation and exageration of negative point of view.

no it's not a fact ..... i'll give you a fact .... it's a fact that everytime we've had a strong pound it's resulted in severe recession. and in any case 0.7% growth is far from a boom .... it's bumping along the bottom.

anarchy seems like a pretty good option to the shit that we're having to put up with currently.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

Tenbury Wells

The tories routinely invent tax avoidance schemes for the rich

That is just a fabricated lie and I challenge you to verify it with facts.

I refuse your challenge

See ya

I wonder why lol..."

You've not "won"

Believe there lies

See if I care

I am just not repeat not arguing with you

Get it

Got it

Good!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it will be another 'hung parliament'

though i'd much rather see a few MP's hung

Or have some balls at the very least!

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By *lshere77Man over a year ago

Wigan

"Yawns.......gender equality.....another idea constantly championed by the tories..not.

With the Conservative Party in full control in 1928, it passed the Representation of the People (Equal Franchise) Act that extended the voting franchise to all women over the age of 21,

granting women the vote on the same terms as men.

That was nearly 90 years ago lol. They ain't done much to promote equality since!

So a labour MP calling Nicola Sturgeon "A wee lass in a tin helmet" is promoting equality is it ? "

WTF has that got to do with the price of fish? FFS!!! go hug a tree, and take wee Nicola with you, she can make the tea.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yawns.......gender equality.....another idea constantly championed by the tories..not.

With the Conservative Party in full control in 1928, it passed the Representation of the People (Equal Franchise) Act that extended the voting franchise to all women over the age of 21,

granting women the vote on the same terms as men.

That was nearly 90 years ago lol. They ain't done much to promote equality since!

So a labour MP calling Nicola Sturgeon "A wee lass in a tin helmet" is promoting equality is it ?

WTF has that got to do with the price of fish? FFS!!! go hug a tree, and take wee Nicola with you, she can make the tea."

You're a charming chap aren't you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can't help but wonder what might happen if those people who have such a negative outlook would actually pause for a moment and look at the UK from the outside in.

Just as a matter of interest, if it is so bad here...

Where is it better? "

Another load of old Tosh!

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By *asokittyWoman over a year ago

Nr Worksop

Precisely this. I am a strong disability rights campaigner. Trust me there are 1000s. Have a look. But if your world is ok that blind eye comes in handy.

Fevered imagination. Insulting much.

You only need to look online to read about them. There has been another in the last day or 2.

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By *enuinetallstuMan over a year ago

nr beauly

"I think Cameron's doing a decent job considering the shit that Labour left and if I do decide to vote, I will be going with the Conservatives.

People conveniently forget that Labour were the ones who introduced tuition fees and started the privatisation of the NHS!"

I concur , austerity is tough and we can argue the old class arguement till the cows come home ... But austerity wouldnt be needed if the previous government hadnt spent loads more that we had ....tax n spend tax n spend .... The UK credit card was maxed out !!! Now we have a government who are able to deliver economic stabilty , long way from perfect but i trust them to have one more term to show they csn deliver ..... Labour WILL simply mortgage us the hilt again !! Im still not yet decided other than there is no way on gods earth i want milliband as PM OR balls in charge of anything more than paperclips !!!!

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

You only need to look online to read about them. There has been another in the last day or 2. "

Ahhhh..... On the internet. Must be true then.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

at least we know they wont be lying when they say the Russians have weapons of mass destruction.

Are our leaders Political and Military deranged to suggest we go to war against Russia?

"
Only in your own mind as at least a third of the country (thats 1 in 3) will vote labour...political threads are ugly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To be honest with you, I think we're all fucked whoever gets in."

Spot on ....there all robbing lying rich pricks who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can't help but wonder what might happen if those people who have such a negative outlook would actually pause for a moment and look at the UK from the outside in.

Just as a matter of interest, if it is so bad here...

Where is it better?

Another load of old Tosh!"

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm a big believer that we should have mandatory voting. It's absolutely disgusting that you can get less than 30% turn out, and less than 50% of that gets to pick the governing party. I also believe in voting for who will benefit YOU. Not "my family has voted tory for 70 years" and so on. Like an early poster stated, she will vote labour because they will raise benefits which will be good for her. That's a sensible outlook. It's not a good outcome for me as I'm not on benefits, the only party that will do anything for me is ukip, so they will get my vote this time. Next time it could be labour, although I doubt it, or even the green party. With these 2 simple things, we truly would have a government for the majority

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's nice to see that there are some strong opinions here, wether or not you would agree with them. I just wonder how many will actually vote!

Voting or revolution are the only two ways of changing a goverment that is not to the taste of the people. The problem with revolution is that you end up with just another dictator and people die to put him/her there. I think I' will go for the voting option.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

At times like this when the miserable, the moaning, the whining and the complaining look for more reasons to be downbeat. I think about JFK and what he said...

.... "ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country... "

There seems to be collective negative mind set amongst some people. It is easy to find fault and identify failure and failings but it is far more enlightening to identify opportunity and to celebrate success. There should be no place for negativity in life.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"To be honest with you, I think we're all fucked whoever gets in.

Spot on ....there all robbing lying rich pricks who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery

And your solution is????.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

manadatory ..ill choose whither i want to vote or not nobody else

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"At times like this when the miserable, the moaning, the whining and the complaining look for more reasons to be downbeat. I think about JFK and what he said...

.... "ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country... "

Well said. I had an issue which I felt strongly about recently, strongly enough to write to my MP and the leader of the opposition. MP was brilliant and has promised to raise my concerns with PM and Minister. Response from Miliband......nothing. So I know who I will be voting for. If you are passionate and believe in things, do something about it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

we have a brilliant counrty, probably the best in the world,, but it wasnt the asshole politicans that made it that way .. when the clever guys, and girls in the back ground stand up ans show them selves than we can get a clear view as to who should be running things and not a load of twats who claim to be

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well if you don't vote you have no right to moan about anything vaguely political. Not saying you are, just stating a fact in general

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

Great debate (well, some of it anyway lol!).

I'd like to see Labour rule out a deal with the SNP, which would to me indicate that they think they can win it on their own, with some sort of manifesto.

Then I'd like to see a real televised debate between Ukip, Tories, Labour and the LibDems, where they actually have a chance to put figures on their promises, which can be analysed by an independent group.

Only then will we have some sort of idea where the next govt should come from.

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By *dventuroususCouple over a year ago

sunderland

The worst that could happen is a tory government, anything else is a bonus.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why do people keep saying the credit card was maxed out!!.

The condems have added more debt in five years than labour did in ten... There's a fact!.

Gordon brown sold gold cheap.. To keep gold cheap on the behest of the banks that were in trouble.. There's a fact!.

Labour and the Tories caused the banking problems we've faced for 7 years and will continue to face for quite a few more.... There's a fact.

Whether a currency is high or low has nothing to do with politicians... They've been doing there utmost to devalue it for the last five years just like they have done for 30 years down 60 odd % ... There's a fact.

It's actually more of a sign off the ineptness of the other currency's that it's strong... That's a fact.

Real GDP is actually down over the last 7 years... There's another fact.

And that was after we've added prostitution, drugs, fraud and everything else we could possibly conceive as a product.

If we weren't in a bond bubble, housing bubble, stock bubble caused by 500 billion of QE ( pretty much free money given away right at the top of the ladder in the hope it will feed down) we would be in worse gdp collapse in 50 years...

And in case it's escaped anyone's notice the m2 money bench which basically measurers how many times the money changes hands or the velocity of it( the more hands the better as it's passed from person to person through goods and services) is at a/30 year low, which means the rich are basically keeping all the QE and whamming it into ponzi money making schemes, probably why there wealth has grown 20% in the austerity years.. That's not a fact but my best guess

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's nice to see that there are some strong opinions here, wether or not you would agree with them. I just wonder how many will actually vote!

The trouble with compulsory voting is when you have a country where all political parties are too similar, - then that in itself becomes a kind of dictatorship, especially when you have to vote for one of the same,- you know, like in a country that has the widest gap between the haves & have not's in Western Europe & it's getting wider, - especially in that case!!!

Hmmmmmmmm, that kind of country sounds familiar to me?????

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

Meh, sod it, I've made up my mind...

#camcoolalltheway

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

JFK was he not in the sixties or the fifties, how about the seventies remember them i knew everyone in my street talked to them all ..house doors were left open kids run to and from school..

this is 2015 should be better , are you kidding me/ we work to pay bills, kids cant move breath or the boggy man will eat them the police want to carry guns tazzers if say a wrong word out of place your done, and all your favrite tv guys are pedos,, what do you think JFK would say today

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To be honest with you, I think we're all fucked whoever gets in.

Spot on ....there all robbing lying rich pricks who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery

And your solution is????....."

Get stoned!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There are 422 political parties in the UK, nowhere does it say you can only vote for the main 3, who are the same beast, different master. There are 419 more to look at

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By *asokittyWoman over a year ago

Nr Worksop

You only need to look online to read about them. There has been another in the last day or 2.

Ahhhh..... On the internet. Must be true then."

Don't be so facetious. It's gathered there from many sources.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

You only need to look online to read about them. There has been another in the last day or 2.

Ahhhh..... On the internet. Must be true then.

Don't be so facetious. It's gathered there from many sources. "

I am not beind facetious. I am asking for verifiable links from trustworthy news gathering entities. You can't or won't post them and instead suggest that I look on the internet?

Just because someone wants to believe something that they read on the internet is true, does not make it true.

The simple fact is that THOUSANDS of disabled people ARE NOT committing suicide because they are being told that they are fit for work.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"JFK was he not in the sixties or the fifties, how about the seventies remember them i knew everyone in my street talked to them all ..house doors were left open kids run to and from school..

He would say exactly the same thing, because the very essence of what he said is more appropriate today than it was then.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To be honest with you, I think we're all fucked whoever gets in.

Spot on ....there all robbing lying rich pricks who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery

And your solution is????.....

Get stoned!

Don't be silly, then people will be more laid back & happier.............. & happier people are more content with less........... & don't work as hard......... & then the rich don't get richer!!

Would that be one or two spoons of polonium in your cappuccino, sir?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think Eisenhowers farewell speech would be more appropriate in this day and age than JFK.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You only need to look online to read about them. There has been another in the last day or 2.

Ahhhh..... On the internet. Must be true then.

Don't be so facetious. It's gathered there from many sources.

I am not beind facetious. I am asking for verifiable links from trustworthy news gathering entities. You can't or won't post them and instead suggest that I look on the internet?

Just because someone wants to believe something that they read on the internet is true, does not make it true.

The simple fact is that THOUSANDS of disabled people ARE NOT committing suicide because they are being told that they are fit for work."

You're like a little dictator dude/ette; you want proof from anyone who's posts don't suit your Tory outlook yet you post outrageous drivel about how great things are here like you've just arrived from la la land, - but with no proof! ........I keep hearing those Aunty Cameron voices in my head again, - NNNNOOOOOOOO, please no more!!

*off for more therapy!

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By *donielMan over a year ago

Liverpool

"That's the worst? Really. Ukip/tory coalition and we're all fucked.

Aside from the white british millionaire male of course."

are there not a number of British White Male Millionaires in the Shadow Cabinet?? Libs and Labour are in pretty much the same boat ie privately educated and millionaires.

Few politicians of any party look up long enough from the money trough to see the real world or do any real good.

as another poster put whoever gets in We are Fucked!!!

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By *MLETCouple over a year ago

leeds

"I think Cameron's doing a decent job considering the shit that Labour left and if I do decide to vote, I will be going with the Conservatives.

People conveniently forget that Labour were the ones who introduced tuition fees and started the privatisation of the NHS!"

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

You only need to look online to read about them. There has been another in the last day or 2.

Ahhhh..... On the internet. Must be true then.

Don't be so facetious. It's gathered there from many sources.

I am not beind facetious. I am asking for verifiable links from trustworthy news gathering entities. You can't or won't post them and instead suggest that I look on the internet?

Just because someone wants to believe something that they read on the internet is true, does not make it true.

The simple fact is that THOUSANDS of disabled people ARE NOT committing suicide because they are being told that they are fit for work.

*off for more therapy!

What have I said that is untrue or cannot be verified by a noteworthy and factual resource? Britain is booming and this is Labours big problem.

What was said about THOUSANDS of disabled people committing suicide is just made up nonsense because it can't be verified.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What have I said that is untrue or cannot be verified by a noteworthy and factual resource? Britain is booming and this is Labours big problem.

What was said about THOUSANDS of disabled people committing suicide is just made up nonsense because it can't be verified. "

It's all quite confusing for a layperson like me.

One person says that the country is doing well...

Another says that the deficit is growing...

If both are true - perhaps we're booming because we're borrowing more to paper over cracks...?

Economics eh..?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"ukip all the way"

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By *bfoxxxMan over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

"ukip all the way"

You can't mean that?

What is there experience of anything???

Apart from keeping the pubs open with real ale?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Party politics is not the politics of the people. It focuses on petty point scoring, propagandist hype & preys upon ignorance & fear....which sadly is reflected in this thread.

I live in hope that whichever way the Government swings, left or right, it champions the needs of those who rarely have a voice - the disenfranchised, those who struggle on a daily basis because their socio economic 'label' renders them to be an unattractive vote. One day we might call ourselves truly a 'Great' Britain because our Government builds policies that invest in all our children, care for our elderly, respect our countryside & creates an economy that regenerates communities, celebrates our diversity & enriches the many not the few

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Truth is about mainstream parties, they're all run by self serving pricks who are in it for themselves. They say what they want you to hear, do nothing they promise, unless it benefits the real leaders of the country, ie Tesco and the likes, spend their time in office schmoozing up to potential employers, just look at Tony Blair for that one, then piss off and leave a right state for the next bloke, claiming a big fat pension along the way. Do you think Cam/Clegg/Milli give a shot about you, Joe Average? He'll no, it could be £10 a litre for fuel, vat at 35%, income tax at 50%, average shop at £250 a week, £3k a year to fuel your home and they'd still have more money left over than you will earn this year. Having them run the country for the working man, is about as useful as putting a chimp in charge of nasa. They are so far detached, they don't know what the people on the ground need

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That was supposed to be give a shit and hell no. Bloody predictive text

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

''Government statistics reveal that between January 2010 and January 2011, 10,600 sick and disabled people died within six weeks of being assessed. Government statistics also revealed that of those who had been put into the 'Work Related Activity Group' (which prepares claimants for future work), 1300 died within 6 weeks.

These are figures published by the UK government, and are related via Widepedia, which has the original sources for the data.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

The link for the above wikepedia entry is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_Capability_Assessment

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"ukip all the way"

to a bigreduction in the average person's job security, legal protections, equality legislation and human rights.

Vote ukip to sink us all

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

Regardless of who gets in there are still no easy answers.

We are spending per year £80 billion more than we pay in tax.

The solutions are simple, tax people more and upset those who pay tax and make those who can move their money around more to hide it more from the tax man leaving the burden heavier with the middle to low income people who can't move their money.

Reduce spending and upset anyone who uses government services.

Borrow more and tax the next generation up to the hilt. Then they can bemoan the older generation for being selfish twats who saw fit to leave the next generation all their problems.

We have overspent and no one has a simple way out of this problem. If we are very very lucky we will get through the next five years with more freezes on spending and hope that GDP covers the gap meaning no one has to pay more in taxes and the government of which ever colour can claim to be extremely clever.

If we had to live within our means from tomorrow, we would have to stop all spending on education. Or Cut NHS spending by 2 thirds.

No simple solutions here as Greece have recently found out. Everyone loves voting for more spending and less tax, but when those lending to the country say go fuck off. Then reality hits.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Worst case scenario is a Labour/SNP coalitions

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What really frustrates me is how the politicians can vote for their own pay rises where people likes nurses the police and fire services have to make do with next to nothing. Maybe it's time that the voting public should be the ones in control of their pay. Like others have said there are no simple answers and I'm no expert but this next comment is not meant to cause offence but maybe it's time we should re evaluate payment s of foriegn aid and spend that money at home on our own people who need help.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Worst case scenario is a Labour/SNP coalitions

“The SNP have said they don’t want a coalition. It’s not part of our plans. We don’t want one, we don’t need one, we’re not after one."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A look back through history will tell you that recession can't end without a property crash. While the average Joe is spending over half their income keeping a roof over their heads, they have no brass in pocket to spend. Everything suffers and the roundabout keeps spinning. All the while the bank of England keeps interest rates low, we will never get out of this mess. It's not nice to say, but we need to see keys being thrown back at the mortgage companies again. Then let the banks hand the properties to the government, in lieu of tax, now you have more social housing, then put proper controls on property prices, to stop another property bubble ever happening again

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Does it really matter? They're all a bunch of upper class bell ends who don't know what it's like to live in the real world. These cuts are all bullshit, there's enough money to go around, they just support the interests of bankers and corporations and what have you.

We the people of Britain should stad up for ourselves and say NO!! Cameron you fat faced toff!! We will not live our lives being your economic slaves!! And then overthrow the government and then have a big orgy outside number 10

And if farage and millaband think they're joining the orgy they can fuck off! Nick clegg wouldn't want to join. Cameron took his manhood away years ago.

It's time for a revolution boys and girls. Grab your pitch faulks and follow me to the gang bang!!

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By *ot monkey71Couple over a year ago

middlesbrough

It's all just the same sh*t with a different label

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I love these threads, not for the reasoned debates but the bile and half truths that start.

Sits back with popcorn ??"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Worst case scenario is a Labour/SNP coalitions

“The SNP have said they don’t want a coalition. It’s not part of our plans. We don’t want one, we don’t need one, we’re not after one.""

Ah but could they resist not having partial power and go for another vote for Independence?

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By *uckandbunnyCouple over a year ago

In your bed

"What really frustrates me is how the politicians can vote for their own pay rises where people likes nurses the police and fire services have to make do with next to nothing. Maybe it's time that the voting public should be the ones in control of their pay. Like others have said there are no simple answers and I'm no expert but this next comment is not meant to cause offence but maybe it's time we should re evaluate payment s of foriegn aid and spend that money at home on our own people who need help."

Simple answer, they should get the average wage rise given to public sector workers. MP's are public sector workers so they decided all the wages in the public sector and they get the average, takes the politics right out of the equation.

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By *lshere77Man over a year ago

Wigan

You only need to look online to read about them. There has been another in the last day or 2.

Ahhhh..... On the internet. Must be true then.

Don't be so facetious. It's gathered there from many sources.

I am not beind facetious. I am asking for verifiable links from trustworthy news gathering entities. You can't or won't post them and instead suggest that I look on the internet?

Just because someone wants to believe something that they read on the internet is true, does not make it true.

The simple fact is that THOUSANDS of disabled people ARE NOT committing suicide because they are being told that they are fit for work.

*off for more therapy!

What have I said that is untrue or cannot be verified by a noteworthy and factual resource? Britain is booming and this is Labours big problem.

What was said about THOUSANDS of disabled people committing suicide is just made up nonsense because it can't be verified. "

Britain is booming? the treasury is reeling from the lower revenues from oil and gas, we are now looking at the possibility of negative inflation rates.....do you know what that entails? Basically it will mean that if you have money in the bank then you will pay the banks for the luxury because interest rates will follow suit. Britain isn't booming at all, London maybe booming, the south may be comfortable,,,,,everywhere else is in the shit. Too much investment in the south.....but that's where the government were born, brought up and went to university......silver spoons abound down south.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A look back through history will tell you that recession can't end without a property crash. While the average Joe is spending over half their income keeping a roof over their heads, they have no brass in pocket to spend. Everything suffers and the roundabout keeps spinning. All the while the bank of England keeps interest rates low, we will never get out of this mess. It's not nice to say, but we need to see keys being thrown back at the mortgage companies again. Then let the banks hand the properties to the government, in lieu of tax, now you have more social housing, then put proper controls on property prices, to stop another property bubble ever happening again"
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I completely agree with you unfortunately they've collateralised and equitised every property in Britain to keep the banks afloat, if the property prices drop big, so do the banks and that is the primary reason those interest rates haven't gone anywhere and probably won't for quite awhile.

The problem we find are selves in today is the making of greedy politicians 30-40 years ago who thought a country could make a living off the finance industry, paper shuffling, services and housing,unfortunately our balance of payments have caught up on us.... What we've found out now is the people who said 30 years ago that it will all end in tears were right.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"Labour were the party who started privatisation of the NHS..."

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"what have I said that is untrue or cannot be verified by a noteworthy and factual resource? "

until you come up with some proof then all of it

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"Does it really matter? They're all a bunch of upper class bell ends who don't know what it's like to live in the real world. These cuts are all bullshit, there's enough money to go around, they just support the interests of bankers and corporations and what have you.

And if farage and millaband think they're joining the orgy they can fuck off! Nick clegg wouldn't want to join. Cameron took his manhood away years ago.

It's time for a revolution boys and girls. Grab your pitch faulks and follow me to the gang bang!!

The rather sad thing is that there are millions just like you who think that there is loads of money... Somewhere, that someone has that really should be given to us.... Cos like, we deserve it.

I want to know why so few people ever question just what the fuck have successive governments spent all if the tax receipts on and why have we got such a gargantuan government bill that despite recent government cuts us still way to big.

What really do people want and expect? How can the country give, give, give if it does not have the tax receipts to support the promises?

You have a stark choice in May. Choose selfishly to accept bribes for votes from Labour. They who will take from the rich to give to the poor (this actually means borrow money because historical precedents prove that higher taxes result in less revenue collected). Alternatively, you can choose a path that is committed to reduce wasteful government spending and, by default reduce taxes as a consequence.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"What have I said that is untrue or cannot be verified by a noteworthy and factual resource? Britain is booming and this is Labours big problem."

ok well don't bother with comming up with the proof to back up your wild statements .... again!

you seem to be badly afflicted with avarice

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Actually worst case scenario is that lying cunt Blair making a successful comeback.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"Actually worst case scenario is that lying cunt Blair making a successful comeback."

nah .... maggie rising from the dead and carrying out a successful armed coup would be far far worse

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