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"Most "minority communities" were born and raised in the UK so are in fact still Britain's "own people". But having said that, you're right." I think the convicted offenders were actually born in there own respective countries and as such not as you say "Britains own people." | |||
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"Politically correct people who make the decisions, do not live amongst the people who commit these crimes, whatever colour or religious persuasion. They are far more worried about their careers and pension plans. These people are not nice and diligent people they are opportunists who do anything to get up the greasy pole. It very simple the laws of this country are there to be followed by all, and should be enforced, OK if a law is wrong fight to get it changed. These idiots did not do their job and should be punished. Every single official in Oxford, Rotherham etc, should be arrested as accessories, they knew about it, had the power to stop it, they didn't, so they are criminals and should be jailed as if they are rapists. Send a clear message to the police and serious government departments, do your job or else."  | |||
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"I think the need to mention the fact that they were an asian gang is as necessary as to mention a white gang...." | |||
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"I think the need to mention the fact that they were an asian gang is as necessary as to mention a white gang...." I agree with you basic point, there is no need to mention. My gripe is with the authorities and their motives this was purely selfish and not wanting to rock the boat and endanger their careers, this was racially based unfortunately. | |||
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"Most "minority communities" were born and raised in the UK so are in fact still Britain's "own people". But having said that, you're right. I think the convicted offenders were actually born in there own respective countries and as such not as you say "Britains own people." " Indeed, Pakistani i believe, however your question was "Do you think this country is so desperate to be multicultural it ignores cries for help from its own people ?" And that's what i was answering. | |||
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"During the serious case re_iew for the Oxford Sex Ring scandal, the report concluded there was no evidence of any agency failing to act due to racial sensitivities. There were more than 370 victims all white British girls. The seven men imprisoned were all Asian. Are people so frightened of of being called racist they refuse to speak out silenced by fear of being branded racist. Its not peculiar to white people. The Asian men convicted branded judged their victims as worthless. If the seven convicted men were white British men and the 370 victims were Asian girls ..BBC types would be scrambling to get a ticket on the outrage bus determined to be standing up for ethnic minorities. Do you think this country is so desperate to be multicultural it ignores cries for help from its own people ?" Some good points raised. I do however have a slight concern on your personal interpretation of '...it ignores cries for help from its own people ?' What do you mean from that? It would suggest from the context of your writing that you are referring to whites? Britain has centuries of multiculturalism at its heart, so looking after its own is a little more complicated. That said, we all have duty to look out for anyone and everyone, no matter where they are from or what they look like.. Don't we? | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case." From the way I read it they are asking are white British people so afraid of been called racist that they either don't say what is happening to them, or 2 and the more likely 1 that they are too afraid to investigate it thoroughly for fear they will be called racist and victimimising the people they supposed to be investigating? | |||
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"Most "minority communities" were born and raised in the UK so are in fact still Britain's "own people". But having said that, you're right. I think the convicted offenders were actually born in there own respective countries and as such not as you say "Britains own people." " That's a strange statement. Everybody is born in their own country. That's what makes it their country. 
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"I haven't read this story, so as an aside could someone tell me how these men gained access to these girls?" They lost their mummies and daddies ? The authorities forgot about them ? Society abandoned them ? Not the answer you were looking for perhaps. | |||
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"Erm no I don't agree, of course it should be mentioned the gang were solely of Pakistani heritage, if there'd have been targeting any girl, it wouldn't have been a point, but if they set out to target a particular ethnicity eg white then the point is this gang were racists. No different to the Lawrence murders, if there'd been all white but had targeted white and black youths then race wouldn't have been an issue, but when they target only young black men and their a white gang, then it's fair to report that so they can be seen for the racists they were. No different in this story" eh ??? I think you will find Mr Lawrences murder was investigated vigourously over a number of years leading to the police being labelled institutionaly racist.. they even changed the law just for Mr Lawrence by changing the rule that you can only be charged once for the same crime. They trialed there suspects 3 times to get the convictions they sought. Yes Stephen was a black man but ask yourself this if Stephen was white do you think the police would have gone to the same lengths to bring the murderers to jutice? | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case." It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? | |||
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"Cries for help from abuse victims have been ignored for years by individuals and institutions no matter the colour of the abusers skin. This is because in my opinion children of both sexes and women are considered disposable and not worthy of being believed by many people of all cultural backgrounds and if they report abuse most times will be blamed for the abusers actions in some way. " Sadly very true. | |||
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"Erm no I don't agree, of course it should be mentioned the gang were solely of Pakistani heritage, if there'd have been targeting any girl, it wouldn't have been a point, but if they set out to target a particular ethnicity eg white then the point is this gang were racists. No different to the Lawrence murders, if there'd been all white but had targeted white and black youths then race wouldn't have been an issue, but when they target only young black men and their a white gang, then it's fair to report that so they can be seen for the racists they were. No different in this story eh ??? I think you will find Mr Lawrences murder was investigated vigourously over a number of years leading to the police being labelled institutionaly racist.. they even changed the law just for Mr Lawrence by changing the rule that you can only be charged once for the same crime. They trialed there suspects 3 times to get the convictions they sought. Yes Stephen was a black man but ask yourself this if Stephen was white do you think the police would have gone to the same lengths to bring the murderers to jutice? " . We were talking about the right to mention that the gang were all Pakistanis, that was my point about the gang that killed Steven Lawrence. I think Steven Lawrence's criminal case is a different matter!! And if you wanna talk racism I think that family had as good a case as those white girls from Rotherham. The polices main problem and always has been, is the fact they don't really have an oversight body. | |||
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"Erm no I don't agree, of course it should be mentioned the gang were solely of Pakistani heritage, if there'd have been targeting any girl, it wouldn't have been a point, but if they set out to target a particular ethnicity eg white then the point is this gang were racists. No different to the Lawrence murders, if there'd been all white but had targeted white and black youths then race wouldn't have been an issue, but when they target only young black men and their a white gang, then it's fair to report that so they can be seen for the racists they were. No different in this story eh ??? I think you will find Mr Lawrences murder was investigated vigourously over a number of years leading to the police being labelled institutionaly racist.. they even changed the law just for Mr Lawrence by changing the rule that you can only be charged once for the same crime. They trialed there suspects 3 times to get the convictions they sought. Yes Stephen was a black man but ask yourself this if Stephen was white do you think the police would have gone to the same lengths to bring the murderers to jutice? " If Stephen were white his parents wouldn't have had to fight for justice as the proven institutionally racist police would've made a serious effort to solve the crime in the first place. | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white?" I think it is the point being made yes, how the point applies to the victims of Jimmy Savile or the children systematically abused in children's homes, schools etc by white men and the clergy I don't know and would be interested to hear. As I said abuse victims have been let down the course or cultural background or motive of the abusers isn't relevant to that argument. I do believe though that an element of racial sensitivity played a part in some cases as many other factors did in others such as the charity work of the abuser or the job they held. | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white?" . Or to put it another way, if your an overworked underpaid social worker or just a lazy fucking one!, a troubled 13 year old white girl is easier to palm off than a troubled 13 year old ethnic girl because in this day and age, the very cry of racist, sexist, homophobe, anti Semite... Is enough to shut people up. They do it in politics all the time and have dine for years | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? I think it is the point being made yes, how the point applies to the victims of Jimmy Savile or the children systematically abused in children's homes, schools etc by white men and the clergy I don't know and would be interested to hear. As I said abuse victims have been let down the course or cultural background or motive of the abusers isn't relevant to that argument. I do believe though that an element of racial sensitivity played a part in some cases as many other factors did in others such as the charity work of the abuser or the job they held." . Motive of the abuser is relevant?. How the fuck do you fix things if you don't know who where when WHY. The four biggest points in policing | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white?" yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist. | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white?. Or to put it another way, if your an overworked underpaid social worker or just a lazy fucking one!, a troubled 13 year old white girl is easier to palm off than a troubled 13 year old ethnic girl because in this day and age, the very cry of racist, sexist, homophobe, anti Semite... Is enough to shut people up. They do it in politics all the time and have dine for years" Is that right? Really, or just what you think? | |||
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"Any race can be a victim of racism. No race is immune to it " | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. From the way I read it they are asking are white British people so afraid of been called racist that they either don't say what is happening to them, or 2 and the more likely 1 that they are too afraid to investigate it thoroughly for fear they will be called racist and victimimising the people they supposed to be investigating?" Some of the girls did come forward,but the police didn't give a shit.in a few instances they even blamed girls! | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? I think it is the point being made yes, how the point applies to the victims of Jimmy Savile or the children systematically abused in children's homes, schools etc by white men and the clergy I don't know and would be interested to hear. As I said abuse victims have been let down the course or cultural background or motive of the abusers isn't relevant to that argument. I do believe though that an element of racial sensitivity played a part in some cases as many other factors did in others such as the charity work of the abuser or the job they held.. Motive of the abuser is relevant?. How the fuck do you fix things if you don't know who where when WHY. The four biggest points in policing" My point is that who, where and when has been known and reported for years and institutionally and individually brushed under the carpet. Motive is relevant but different in some cases. I thought this question was that it was ignored because of the men's cultural background and because the girls were white not because of the motive behind the abuse. | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? I think it is the point being made yes, how the point applies to the victims of Jimmy Savile or the children systematically abused in children's homes, schools etc by white men and the clergy I don't know and would be interested to hear. As I said abuse victims have been let down the course or cultural background or motive of the abusers isn't relevant to that argument. I do believe though that an element of racial sensitivity played a part in some cases as many other factors did in others such as the charity work of the abuser or the job they held." The zealousness of police investigation can easily be undermined: with Savile, power and influence undermined the investigation. In Rotherham and Oxford, race did In Rotherham and Oxford the investigation by police would have been less likely to have been so prolonged IF, for example, the victims had been from ethnic minorities and the perpetrators white. Arrests and convictions would have been much quicker, in this case Or do you see it differently? | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white?. Or to put it another way, if your an overworked underpaid social worker or just a lazy fucking one!, a troubled 13 year old white girl is easier to palm off than a troubled 13 year old ethnic girl because in this day and age, the very cry of racist, sexist, homophobe, anti Semite... Is enough to shut people up. They do it in politics all the time and have dine for years Is that right? Really, or just what you think?" Thank you for explaining how multiculturism is working in denying the freedom of speech and expression. I couldn't have explained it better myself. | |||
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"I think this crime as vile and disgusting as it is was not a matter of race but a matter of opportunity. The girls were let down at home,let down by the system therefore vulnerable to be taken advantage of. Race may not be much of an issue as much as society letting the children down. " Yes you're right, although some of the families did try and help their daughters. | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white?. Or to put it another way, if your an overworked underpaid social worker or just a lazy fucking one!, a troubled 13 year old white girl is easier to palm off than a troubled 13 year old ethnic girl because in this day and age, the very cry of racist, sexist, homophobe, anti Semite... Is enough to shut people up. They do it in politics all the time and have dine for years Is that right? Really, or just what you think?" . Your absolutely blind if you haven't noticed how Nobody can do an objective realistic look into any problems without having words thrown in their face. | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? I think it is the point being made yes, how the point applies to the victims of Jimmy Savile or the children systematically abused in children's homes, schools etc by white men and the clergy I don't know and would be interested to hear. As I said abuse victims have been let down the course or cultural background or motive of the abusers isn't relevant to that argument. I do believe though that an element of racial sensitivity played a part in some cases as many other factors did in others such as the charity work of the abuser or the job they held.. Motive of the abuser is relevant?. How the fuck do you fix things if you don't know who where when WHY. The four biggest points in policing My point is that who, where and when has been known and reported for years and institutionally and individually brushed under the carpet. Motive is relevant but different in some cases. I thought this question was that it was ignored because of the men's cultural background and because the girls were white not because of the motive behind the abuse." . So answer me a question... Why only pick on white girls?. Note I have my own theory, but I'd be interested to hear yours | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white?. Or to put it another way, if your an overworked underpaid social worker or just a lazy fucking one!, a troubled 13 year old white girl is easier to palm off than a troubled 13 year old ethnic girl because in this day and age, the very cry of racist, sexist, homophobe, anti Semite... Is enough to shut people up. They do it in politics all the time and have dine for years Is that right? Really, or just what you think?. Your absolutely blind if you haven't noticed how Nobody can do an objective realistic look into any problems without having words thrown in their face. " I have never witnessed a social worker dealing with an abuse case let alone had the opportunity to observe them dealing with different ethnicities although I do wear glasses. | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? I think it is the point being made yes, how the point applies to the victims of Jimmy Savile or the children systematically abused in children's homes, schools etc by white men and the clergy I don't know and would be interested to hear. As I said abuse victims have been let down the course or cultural background or motive of the abusers isn't relevant to that argument. I do believe though that an element of racial sensitivity played a part in some cases as many other factors did in others such as the charity work of the abuser or the job they held.. Motive of the abuser is relevant?. How the fuck do you fix things if you don't know who where when WHY. The four biggest points in policing My point is that who, where and when has been known and reported for years and institutionally and individually brushed under the carpet. Motive is relevant but different in some cases. I thought this question was that it was ignored because of the men's cultural background and because the girls were white not because of the motive behind the abuse.. So answer me a question... Why only pick on white girls?. Note I have my own theory, but I'd be interested to hear yours" er because the reported facts are they were an Asian sex ring gang who err only picked on white girls ?? | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? I think it is the point being made yes, how the point applies to the victims of Jimmy Savile or the children systematically abused in children's homes, schools etc by white men and the clergy I don't know and would be interested to hear. As I said abuse victims have been let down the course or cultural background or motive of the abusers isn't relevant to that argument. I do believe though that an element of racial sensitivity played a part in some cases as many other factors did in others such as the charity work of the abuser or the job they held.. Motive of the abuser is relevant?. How the fuck do you fix things if you don't know who where when WHY. The four biggest points in policing My point is that who, where and when has been known and reported for years and institutionally and individually brushed under the carpet. Motive is relevant but different in some cases. I thought this question was that it was ignored because of the men's cultural background and because the girls were white not because of the motive behind the abuse.. So answer me a question... Why only pick on white girls?. Note I have my own theory, but I'd be interested to hear yours" I have no idea but my guess is "in this case" it's cultural attitudes to women, availability of victims and the fact that they are sexual criminals. Why do you feel that white abusers pick their victims who are frequently white, are their motives different? | |||
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"Yes, completely agree Political correctness is a blight on this country and undermines what it sets out to do. Why people can't treat one another equally is beyond me. I don't think there is another country on earth that beats itself up so much on issues of race, colour, creed etc. as England. We can't even hang up our national flag without being seen as being racist! " I agree and i see political correctness is much of what is wrong with our society today. I also think multiculturalism is failing or has failed because in many areas of the country you have what could be called "ghettos" where different ethnic groups all settle in the same area together, they don't integrate with other races/religions, etc. I work in and around different areas of birmingham a lot so have seen it first hand. | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist." You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? | |||
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"Yes, completely agree Political correctness is a blight on this country and undermines what it sets out to do. Why people can't treat one another equally is beyond me. I don't think there is another country on earth that beats itself up so much on issues of race, colour, creed etc. as England. We can't even hang up our national flag without being seen as being racist! I agree and i see political correctness is much of what is wrong with our society today. I also think multiculturalism is failing or has failed because in many areas of the country you have what could be called "ghettos" where different ethnic groups all settle in the same area together, they don't integrate with other races/religions, etc. I work in and around different areas of birmingham a lot so have seen it first hand. " There's much to be done as far as integration is concerned in some cases I agree but I suspect that some people on both sides would fight tooth and nail against it. | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? I think it is the point being made yes, how the point applies to the victims of Jimmy Savile or the children systematically abused in children's homes, schools etc by white men and the clergy I don't know and would be interested to hear. As I said abuse victims have been let down the course or cultural background or motive of the abusers isn't relevant to that argument. I do believe though that an element of racial sensitivity played a part in some cases as many other factors did in others such as the charity work of the abuser or the job they held.. Motive of the abuser is relevant?. How the fuck do you fix things if you don't know who where when WHY. The four biggest points in policing My point is that who, where and when has been known and reported for years and institutionally and individually brushed under the carpet. Motive is relevant but different in some cases. I thought this question was that it was ignored because of the men's cultural background and because the girls were white not because of the motive behind the abuse.. So answer me a question... Why only pick on white girls?. Note I have my own theory, but I'd be interested to hear yours er because the reported facts are they were an Asian sex ring gang who err only picked on white girls ??" . Because they knew they stood a better chance of getting away with it with white girls, they knew that and that's why they picked white girls! ... It's a racist crime no different than Lawrence's his murders got off because of the institutional police racism, and these guys got off because of institutional political correctness in councils. | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist. You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? " I made this point further up but since it doesn't quite fit with the original argument it's been glossed over. I think it's because of my ethnicity  | |||
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"During the serious case re_iew for the Oxford Sex Ring scandal, the report concluded there was no evidence of any agency failing to act due to racial sensitivities. There were more than 370 victims all white British girls. The seven men imprisoned were all Asian. Are people so frightened of of being called racist they refuse to speak out silenced by fear of being branded racist. Its not peculiar to white people. The Asian men convicted branded judged their victims as worthless. If the seven convicted men were white British men and the 370 victims were Asian girls ..BBC types would be scrambling to get a ticket on the outrage bus determined to be standing up for ethnic minorities. Do you think this country is so desperate to be multicultural it ignores cries for help from its own people ?" That was well said. Standing ovation from me. Agree wholeheartedly! | |||
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"There has been no effort to integrate all cultures in Britain. Just have a look around you at work every type of culture remains in their own group. Where I work Muslims stick with Muslims, Africans stick with Africans, Jews with Jews, Polish with Polish and the white English with with white English. This is where the resentment and suspicion comes from. To encourage proper integration the community leaders need to be seen together. For example kick racism out of football has a black man as it's figurehead. Is that really going to change peoples attitude? I believe it will not. Have a black man and a white man as figureheads would achieve more. Same with religion all bar none and teach all faiths to correct there opinions that are not acceptable in modern society like treating women like shit and being gay is wrong. Disneyland, probably but its the only way Britain will work." What does any of this have to do with the authorities and instotutions ignoring children who complain of sex abuse? | |||
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"Yes, completely agree Political correctness is a blight on this country and undermines what it sets out to do. Why people can't treat one another equally is beyond me. I don't think there is another country on earth that beats itself up so much on issues of race, colour, creed etc. as England. We can't even hang up our national flag without being seen as being racist! I agree and i see political correctness is much of what is wrong with our society today. I also think multiculturalism is failing or has failed because in many areas of the country you have what could be called "ghettos" where different ethnic groups all settle in the same area together, they don't integrate with other races/religions, etc. I work in and around different areas of birmingham a lot so have seen it first hand. " | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? I think it is the point being made yes, how the point applies to the victims of Jimmy Savile or the children systematically abused in children's homes, schools etc by white men and the clergy I don't know and would be interested to hear. As I said abuse victims have been let down the course or cultural background or motive of the abusers isn't relevant to that argument. I do believe though that an element of racial sensitivity played a part in some cases as many other factors did in others such as the charity work of the abuser or the job they held.. Motive of the abuser is relevant?. How the fuck do you fix things if you don't know who where when WHY. The four biggest points in policing My point is that who, where and when has been known and reported for years and institutionally and individually brushed under the carpet. Motive is relevant but different in some cases. I thought this question was that it was ignored because of the men's cultural background and because the girls were white not because of the motive behind the abuse.. So answer me a question... Why only pick on white girls?. Note I have my own theory, but I'd be interested to hear yours" btw just to further add facts! its not just oxford There have also been convictions of asion only sex gangs pimping out solely white girls in Rotherham and Heywood near Rochdale. of course you don't have to believe that you could just pass it of as a conspiracy theory  | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist. You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? I made this point further up but since it doesn't quite fit with the original argument it's been glossed over. I think it's because of my ethnicity "Your point was well made and ignored because it opens a sizeable flaw in the original argument. Victims of child abuse have been routinely ignored by the 'authorities' since laws to protect children were introduced. These men have been convicted, Jimmy Saville never was. | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist. You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? " You seem to be trying to skim over the facts. Fact 1 the offenders were Asian. fact 2 all the victims were white. NO members of the Asian sex ring paedophile gang contained any catholic priests or Jimmy Saville. | |||
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"During the serious case re_iew for the Oxford Sex Ring scandal, the report concluded there was no evidence of any agency failing to act due to racial sensitivities. There were more than 370 victims all white British girls. The seven men imprisoned were all Asian. Are people so frightened of of being called racist they refuse to speak out silenced by fear of being branded racist. Its not peculiar to white people. The Asian men convicted branded judged their victims as worthless. If the seven convicted men were white British men and the 370 victims were Asian girls ..BBC types would be scrambling to get a ticket on the outrage bus determined to be standing up for ethnic minorities. Do you think this country is so desperate to be multicultural it ignores cries for help from its own people ?" No. What you have written here is ignorant nonsense at best, and a guarded way of expressing racist sympathies at worst. | |||
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"Erm no I don't agree, of course it should be mentioned the gang were solely of Pakistani heritage, if there'd have been targeting any girl, it wouldn't have been a point, but if they set out to target a particular ethnicity eg white then the point is this gang were racists. No different to the Lawrence murders, if there'd been all white but had targeted white and black youths then race wouldn't have been an issue, but when they target only young black men and their a white gang, then it's fair to report that so they can be seen for the racists they were. No different in this story eh ??? I think you will find Mr Lawrences murder was investigated vigourously over a number of years leading to the police being labelled institutionaly racist.. they even changed the law just for Mr Lawrence by changing the rule that you can only be charged once for the same crime. They trialed there suspects 3 times to get the convictions they sought. Yes Stephen was a black man but ask yourself this if Stephen was white do you think the police would have gone to the same lengths to bring the murderers to jutice? If Stephen were white his parents wouldn't have had to fight for justice as the proven institutionally racist police would've made a serious effort to solve the crime in the first place." Lets do statistics there are much more unsolved murders of white people than there are of any other race in this country | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist. You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? I made this point further up but since it doesn't quite fit with the original argument it's been glossed over. I think it's because of my ethnicity .
I hate to point this out, but the Irish American and Vatican catholic church has been through a long long apology/payouts because they admitted to wholesale cover ups of child sexual abuse at the highest level. Along with several bishops bring imprisoned and expelled"why are you trying to change the subject yes true however again no catholic priests were members of the convicted Pakistani paedophile sex ring | |||
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" yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist. You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? I made this point further up but since it doesn't quite fit with the original argument it's been glossed over. I think it's because of my ethnicity .
I hate to point this out, but the Irish American and Vatican catholic church has been through a long long apology/payouts because they admitted to wholesale cover ups of child sexual abuse at the highest level. Along with several bishops bring imprisoned and expelled"Why do you hate to point it out? It's completely valid! The issue is that children are ignored routinely. Not the race of the victims. | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? I think it is the point being made yes, how the point applies to the victims of Jimmy Savile or the children systematically abused in children's homes, schools etc by white men and the clergy I don't know and would be interested to hear. As I said abuse victims have been let down the course or cultural background or motive of the abusers isn't relevant to that argument. I do believe though that an element of racial sensitivity played a part in some cases as many other factors did in others such as the charity work of the abuser or the job they held.. Motive of the abuser is relevant?. How the fuck do you fix things if you don't know who where when WHY. The four biggest points in policing My point is that who, where and when has been known and reported for years and institutionally and individually brushed under the carpet. Motive is relevant but different in some cases. I thought this question was that it was ignored because of the men's cultural background and because the girls were white not because of the motive behind the abuse.. So answer me a question... Why only pick on white girls?. Note I have my own theory, but I'd be interested to hear yours" They targeted young, vulnerable females. Nothing more. | |||
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" You seem to be trying to skim over the facts. Fact 1 the offenders were Asian. fact 2 all the victims were white. NO members of the Asian sex ring paedophile gang contained any catholic priests or Jimmy Saville. " well that point went over your head... which was that the case you are talking about had as many victims as savile... or the catholic church ... but you are talking about them treated differently...... the victims of jimmy savile were not believed or silenced the victims of the catholic church were not believed or silenced but that doesn't fit with your narrative | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist. You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? I made this point further up but since it doesn't quite fit with the original argument it's been glossed over. I think it's because of my ethnicity
Your point was well made and ignored because it opens a sizeable flaw in the original argument.
Victims of child abuse have been routinely ignored by the 'authorities' since laws to protect children were introduced.
These men have been convicted, Jimmy Saville never was."and the point your making is what exactly that it wasn't soley an Asian sex ring gang using solely white girls in so far 3 separate reported and convicted cases in this country ! I think you will find it was. | |||
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"During the serious case re_iew for the Oxford Sex Ring scandal, the report concluded there was no evidence of any agency failing to act due to racial sensitivities. There were more than 370 victims all white British girls. The seven men imprisoned were all Asian. Are people so frightened of of being called racist they refuse to speak out silenced by fear of being branded racist. Its not peculiar to white people. The Asian men convicted branded judged their victims as worthless. If the seven convicted men were white British men and the 370 victims were Asian girls ..BBC types would be scrambling to get a ticket on the outrage bus determined to be standing up for ethnic minorities. Do you think this country is so desperate to be multicultural it ignores cries for help from its own people ?" Yes | |||
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"During the serious case re_iew for the Oxford Sex Ring scandal, the report concluded there was no evidence of any agency failing to act due to racial sensitivities. There were more than 370 victims all white British girls. The seven men imprisoned were all Asian. Are people so frightened of of being called racist they refuse to speak out silenced by fear of being branded racist. Its not peculiar to white people. The Asian men convicted branded judged their victims as worthless. If the seven convicted men were white British men and the 370 victims were Asian girls ..BBC types would be scrambling to get a ticket on the outrage bus determined to be standing up for ethnic minorities. Do you think this country is so desperate to be multicultural it ignores cries for help from its own people ? No. What you have written here is ignorant nonsense at best, and a guarded way of expressing racist sympathies at worst." Thankyou for your in depth contribution totally at odds to the truth and the facts of the cases and the post. Of all the hundreds of victims. I take it its all there own fault and they were asking for it ? Sleep soundly with the comfort of knowing the politically correct police wont be knocking on your door any time soon  | |||
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" You seem to be trying to skim over the facts. Fact 1 the offenders were Asian. fact 2 all the victims were white. NO members of the Asian sex ring paedophile gang contained any catholic priests or Jimmy Saville. " OP is the point your trying to raise saying that if this had been the other way and the girls where of a different ethnic background and the offenders white, there would have been reports that it was a racial. However because it was white girls and Asian offenders the authorities and media are too scared to say it? I think the Seville case was brushed under the carpet was because he was a public figure and the BBC didn't want to cause a fuss. Similar to Cyril smith who was a major politician so therefore the argument against the original post is invalid. | |||
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"In both Rotherham and Oxford the social workers feared to do anything for being called racist and bigotted. Well done to the PC brigade. Go and hang your heads in shame. But not before you go and appologise to those young children who have been abused because people where afraid of being called racist or bigots. " | |||
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"During the serious case re_iew for the Oxford Sex Ring scandal, the report concluded there was no evidence of any agency failing to act due to racial sensitivities. There were more than 370 victims all white British girls. The seven men imprisoned were all Asian. Are people so frightened of of being called racist they refuse to speak out silenced by fear of being branded racist. Its not peculiar to white people. The Asian men convicted branded judged their victims as worthless. If the seven convicted men were white British men and the 370 victims were Asian girls ..BBC types would be scrambling to get a ticket on the outrage bus determined to be standing up for ethnic minorities. Do you think this country is so desperate to be multicultural it ignores cries for help from its own people ? Yes" | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist. You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? I made this point further up but since it doesn't quite fit with the original argument it's been glossed over. I think it's because of my ethnicity .
I hate to point this out, but the Irish American and Vatican catholic church has been through a long long apology/payouts because they admitted to wholesale cover ups of child sexual abuse at the highest level. Along with several bishops bring imprisoned and expelled
why are you trying to change the subject yes true however again no catholic priests were members of the convicted Pakistani paedophile sex ring "They trying to change the subject because they want to deflect the blame/point the finger at someone else rather than staying on the topic of the thread. | |||
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" yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist. You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? I made this point further up but since it doesn't quite fit with the original argument it's been glossed over. I think it's because of my ethnicity .
I hate to point this out, but the Irish American and Vatican catholic church has been through a long long apology/payouts because they admitted to wholesale cover ups of child sexual abuse at the highest level. Along with several bishops bring imprisoned and expelled
Why do you hate to point it out?
It's completely valid!
The issue is that children are ignored routinely. Not the race of the victims.". Because in that case they were nearly all white both perpetrators and victims, now the important thing was how they managed to get away with for years, the Vatican did do an extensive investigation and found that high level covers up, evidence being hidden, was happening and that's why police investigations into crimes got stalled for many years. Now let's examine what we know about Jimmy saville or Gary glitter, they got away with it through a mixture of police incompetence, victim culture, high level cover up but again not one particular race picking on another for a reason. Now if you examine these cases you find 99.99% Pakistani, Afghanistan men picking on 99.99% white young girls, this was deliberate as far as I can tell because these men knew it has two things going for it. 1 there culture allows them to be bell ends to women, in particular white girls who dress like they deserve it and go out alone!, which means even if someone from in their "culture" had found them out they probably wouldn't have shopped them because unfortunately thus is a widely held belief even amongst moderates. 2 they knew white girls would have a harder time proving it because they had the ability to shout, racist. Now these two facts are very important in finding out how not to repeat the same mistakes. Case in point we've been far too tolerant to bad cultural practises for far too long. | |||
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" yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist. You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? I made this point further up but since it doesn't quite fit with the original argument it's been glossed over. I think it's because of my ethnicity .
I hate to point this out, but the Irish American and Vatican catholic church has been through a long long apology/payouts because they admitted to wholesale cover ups of child sexual abuse at the highest level. Along with several bishops bring imprisoned and expelled
Why do you hate to point it out?
It's completely valid!
The issue is that children are ignored routinely. Not the race of the victims..
Because in that case they were nearly all white both perpetrators and victims, now the important thing was how they managed to get away with for years, the Vatican did do an extensive investigation and found that high level covers up, evidence being hidden, was happening and that's why police investigations into crimes got stalled for many years.
Now let's examine what we know about Jimmy saville or Gary glitter, they got away with it through a mixture of police incompetence, victim culture, high level cover up but again not one particular race picking on another for a reason.
Now if you examine these cases you find 99.99% Pakistani, Afghanistan men picking on 99.99% white young girls, this was deliberate as far as I can tell because these men knew it has two things going for it.
1 there culture allows them to be bell ends to women, in particular white girls who dress like they deserve it and go out alone!, which means even if someone from in their "culture" had found them out they probably wouldn't have shopped them because unfortunately thus is a widely held belief even amongst moderates.
2 they knew white girls would have a harder time proving it because they had the ability to shout, racist.
Now these two facts are very important in finding out how not to repeat the same mistakes.
Case in point we've been far too tolerant to bad cultural practises for far too long.
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"The only people who are ever afraid of being called racists or bigots are racists or bigots. Those of us who are not racists or bigots never give the issue a second thought. When someone is obsessed with the issue of people who may be afraid of being called racists or bigots, it is invariably because they themselves are either racists or bigots." yes I remember you
"Anbody who contemplates voting Ukip are ignorant bigots."
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"Yes, completely agree Political correctness is a blight on this country and undermines what it sets out to do. Why people can't treat one another equally is beyond me. I don't think there is another country on earth that beats itself up so much on issues of race, colour, creed etc. as England. We can't even hang up our national flag without being seen as being racist! " | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist. You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? I made this point further up but since it doesn't quite fit with the original argument it's been glossed over. I think it's because of my ethnicity .
I hate to point this out, but the Irish American and Vatican catholic church has been through a long long apology/payouts because they admitted to wholesale cover ups of child sexual abuse at the highest level. Along with several bishops bring imprisoned and expelled
why are you trying to change the subject yes true however again no catholic priests were members of the convicted Pakistani paedophile sex ring
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"Anbody who contemplates voting Ukip are ignorant bigots."
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist. You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? I made this point further up but since it doesn't quite fit with the original argument it's been glossed over. I think it's because of my ethnicity .
I hate to point this out, but the Irish American and Vatican catholic church has been through a long long apology/payouts because they admitted to wholesale cover ups of child sexual abuse at the highest level. Along with several bishops bring imprisoned and expelled"So they acknowledge that abuse has occurred and was covered up due to many reasons such as the victim being disbelieved and the position in society of the abusers, to me that proves the point I was making rather than disproves it. I don't deny that in some cases the cultural background of the abusers has led to the abuse being allowed to continue but in my opinion the sickness is a lot deeper than just that and extends to our attitude to women, children, sex, authority, celebrity and professional men. | |||
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"The only people who are ever afraid of being called racists or bigots are racists or bigots. Those of us who are not racists or bigots never give the issue a second thought. When someone is obsessed with the issue of people who may be afraid of being called racists or bigots, it is invariably because they themselves are either racists or bigots. yes I remember you
"Anbody who contemplates voting Ukip are ignorant bigots."
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"Yes, completely agree Political correctness is a blight on this country and undermines what it sets out to do. Why people can't treat one another equally is beyond me. I don't think there is another country on earth that beats itself up so much on issues of race, colour, creed etc. as England. We can't even hang up our national flag without being seen as being racist! " It doesn't help that the St Georges Cross has been connected to violence and bigotry and the National Front for the last few decades. It takes a while for that sort of thing to be forgotten. White people cannot be racist towards white people. That's not what racist means. However the Oxford and Rotherham situations were certainly racially motivated by poorly trained people not willing to stick their heads up to complain. Personally I doubt very much that these things are purely done by Asian men against white girls. The mere fact that the media have had a collective aneurism about this means that the media are more shocked about it happening to white girls than any previous situation that would have included Asian girls. Or do you think that these men only abused at risk girls who were white? | |||
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" You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? You seem to be trying to skim over the facts. Fact 1 the offenders were Asian. fact 2 all the victims were white. NO members of the Asian sex ring paedophile gang contained any catholic priests or Jimmy Saville. " I'm not skimming over anything. To my knowledge non of Jimmy Saville s paedophile mates were Asian, and I'm yet to find a story of an Asian catholic priest paedophile. Paedophiles are an abhorrent germ within our society. Many of them have escaped challenge or conviction because those in authority have routinely ignored the complaints of child victims. Are you in some way suggesting that Asian paedophiles are a special case? Is the problem for you paedophiles or just Asian paedophiles? | |||
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" its not just oxford There have also been convictions of asion only sex gangs pimping out solely white girls in Rotherham and Heywood near Rochdale. of course you don't have to believe that you could just pass it of as a conspiracy theory "Derby too | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist. You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? I made this point further up but since it doesn't quite fit with the original argument it's been glossed over. I think it's because of my ethnicity .
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"Yes, completely agree Political correctness is a blight on this country and undermines what it sets out to do. Why people can't treat one another equally is beyond me. I don't think there is another country on earth that beats itself up so much on issues of race, colour, creed etc. as England. We can't even hang up our national flag without being seen as being racist! It doesn't help that the St Georges Cross has been connected to violence and bigotry and the National Front for the last few decades. It takes a while for that sort of thing to be forgotten. White people cannot be racist towards white people. That's not what racist means. However the Oxford and Rotherham situations were certainly racially motivated by poorly trained people not willing to stick their heads up to complain. Personally I doubt very much that these things are purely done by Asian men against white girls. The mere fact that the media have had a collective aneurism about this means that the media are more shocked about it happening to white girls than any previous situation that would have included Asian girls. Or do you think that these men only abused at risk girls who were white?" The St George cross is also connected to the England football team, but no lets label everyone seen with one as a National Front or EDL supporter shall we? | |||
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"They purposefully didn't abuse Asian girls, when it could be argued that they had easier access to Asian girls than any other race of girls. So that could mean they discriminately chose girls from outside their own race and so it would therefore be racism. How do you know they didn't abuse Asian girls? I don't, but I haven't heard otherwise, I could be wrong. There were some boys too but I was just focusing on the majority. " So you don't know that they "purposefully didn't abuse Asian girls" then. That doesn't mean those abusers weren't racist of course, but it's a wholly inaccurate statement. | |||
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"Erm no I don't agree, of course it should be mentioned the gang were solely of Pakistani heritage, if there'd have been targeting any girl, it wouldn't have been a point, but if they set out to target a particular ethnicity eg white then the point is this gang were racists. No different to the Lawrence murders, if there'd been all white but had targeted white and black youths then race wouldn't have been an issue, but when they target only young black men and their a white gang, then it's fair to report that so they can be seen for the racists they were. No different in this story eh ??? I think you will find Mr Lawrences murder was investigated vigourously over a number of years leading to the police being labelled institutionaly racist.. they even changed the law just for Mr Lawrence by changing the rule that you can only be charged once for the same crime. They trialed there suspects 3 times to get the convictions they sought. Yes Stephen was a black man but ask yourself this if Stephen was white do you think the police would have gone to the same lengths to bring the murderers to jutice? If Stephen were white his parents wouldn't have had to fight for justice as the proven institutionally racist police would've made a serious effort to solve the crime in the first place. Lets do statistics there are much more unsolved murders of white people than there are of any other race in this country Statistics?? Surely it has more to do with there being many more white people than any other ethnic group in the UK. The government and the authorities are open to make mistakes, malpractice and pure incompetence just the same as any body. It is not confined purely to racist areas. You are just quoting one particular instance here because it suits you purpose. You only have to look at the tragic cases of Victoria Climbie and Baby P to see that race is not the deciding factor in failing to protect those that need it the most." Not neccaserily so fact is white people are now no longer the majority race in London I read in some newspaper ..Whether that's accurate or not I don't know. | |||
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"Erm no I don't agree, of course it should be mentioned the gang were solely of Pakistani heritage, if there'd have been targeting any girl, it wouldn't have been a point, but if they set out to target a particular ethnicity eg white then the point is this gang were racists. No different to the Lawrence murders, if there'd been all white but had targeted white and black youths then race wouldn't have been an issue, but when they target only young black men and their a white gang, then it's fair to report that so they can be seen for the racists they were. No different in this story eh ??? I think you will find Mr Lawrences murder was investigated vigourously over a number of years leading to the police being labelled institutionaly racist.. they even changed the law just for Mr Lawrence by changing the rule that you can only be charged once for the same crime. They trialed there suspects 3 times to get the convictions they sought. Yes Stephen was a black man but ask yourself this if Stephen was white do you think the police would have gone to the same lengths to bring the murderers to jutice? If Stephen were white his parents wouldn't have had to fight for justice as the proven institutionally racist police would've made a serious effort to solve the crime in the first place. Lets do statistics there are much more unsolved murders of white people than there are of any other race in this country Statistics?? Surely it has more to do with there being many more white people than any other ethnic group in the UK. The government and the authorities are open to make mistakes, malpractice and pure incompetence just the same as any body. It is not confined purely to racist areas. You are just quoting one particular instance here because it suits you purpose. You only have to look at the tragic cases of Victoria Climbie and Baby P to see that race is not the deciding factor in failing to protect those that need it the most. Not neccaserily so fact is white people are now no longer the majority race in London I read in some newspaper ..Whether that's accurate or not I don't know. " Is "white " a race ? | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist. You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? I made this point further up but since it doesn't quite fit with the original argument it's been glossed over. I think it's because of my ethnicity .
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"for full disclosure i am going to say that i knew stephen lawrence, his family... and doreen and neville lawrence are two of the strongest willed people I have the pleasure of knowing.... i was deliebately not going to answer the stuff with reagrds to the stephen lawrence nonsense they put in the thread.... if it one thing that is like a red rag to me, it people spouting rubbish on a topic they know nothing about.... all i will ask people to do... is leave that topic out.... dignity for stephen and his parents is not to answer the crap that people have to put out to defend the people who did what they did" Well said Fabio xxx | |||
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"which is mostly demonstrated by people complaining about not being able to wave a flag. But what makes them not able?" political correctness. its not seen as politically correct to wave our own national flag without being _iewed as a possible racist. In the newspaper sometime ago some political canvasser decided not to approach a persons house to ask for there vote because there was a white van on the drive and st George flaf hanging out the window. the political canvasser thought better of knocking on there door as she didn't want "that sort of persons vote." She was canvassing for Labour ..I think Ed gave her a bit of a slap on the wrist and somebody pointed out the world cup was on at the time as to the flag hanging out the window. The racist quota always hits unprecedented levels during football international tournamnets due to England playing and fans at home in support hanging England flags on there houses ....so much for kicking racism out of football | |||
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"The St George cross is also connected to the England football team, but no lets label everyone seen with one as a National Front or EDL supporter shall we? Sorry to say the England football team supporters haven't always been beacons of tolerance in the past either. I didn't bring up the subject by the way, I've just posited a reason as to why some people would be turned off by nationalism, which is mostly demonstrated by people complaining about not being able to wave a flag. " To be fair many other nations are worse than England fans. I also recall receiving threats to have my car smashed up if I parked in a predominate Asian area because I had a st George's cross on my car and I was seen as racist because of it. | |||
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"which is mostly demonstrated by people complaining about not being able to wave a flag. But what makes them not able? political correctness. its not seen as politically correct to wave our own national flag without being _iewed as a possible racist. In the newspaper sometime ago some political canvasser decided not to approach a persons house to ask for there vote because there was a white van on the drive and st George flaf hanging out the window. the political canvasser thought better of knocking on there door as she didn't want "that sort of persons vote." She was canvassing for Labour ..I think Ed gave her a bit of a slap on the wrist and somebody pointed out the world cup was on at the time as to the flag hanging out the window. " And yet she was resoundly put down by all the media outlets for doing such. So, that's the opposite of what you're suggesting. The media and most of the public came out in force against such a _iew. Does one Emily Thornberry stop the English from flying their flag? I've never seen a campaign in a newspaper to stop English people flying their flag, I've never heard anyone say they can't. | |||
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"Yes, completely agree Political correctness is a blight on this country and undermines what it sets out to do. Why people can't treat one another equally is beyond me. I don't think there is another country on earth that beats itself up so much on issues of race, colour, creed etc. as England. We can't even hang up our national flag without being seen as being racist! " Not just this country though, same thing is happening in other countries too like in America. | |||
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"for full disclosure i am going to say that i knew stephen lawrence, his family... and doreen and neville lawrence are two of the strongest willed people I have the pleasure of knowing.... i was deliebately not going to answer the stuff with reagrds to the stephen lawrence nonsense they put in the thread.... if it one thing that is like a red rag to me, it people spouting rubbish on a topic they know nothing about.... all i will ask people to do... is leave that topic out.... dignity for stephen and his parents is not to answer the crap that people have to put out to defend the people who did what they did"
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"Paedophilia is the problem. The failure of authority figures to believe children who complain is the problem. Gary Glitter abusing children in the far east is a similar example of the problem. His race and the race of his victims is irrelevant. The authorities have failed too many children in this country. Race is not a reason for paedophilia, or an excuse for the inaction of the authorities. I've no idea how this thread turned into a debate about flag waving. " race is a problem because in the case of Rotherham and Oxfordshire the police failed to act because they "did not want to be accused of being racist " their words And we are talking on a huge scale | |||
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"Paedophilia is the problem. The failure of authority figures to believe children who complain is the problem. Gary Glitter abusing children in the far east is a similar example of the problem. His race and the race of his victims is irrelevant. The authorities have failed too many children in this country. Race is not a reason for paedophilia, or an excuse for the inaction of the authorities. I've no idea how this thread turned into a debate about flag waving. race is a problem because in the case of Rotherham and Oxfordshire the police failed to act because they "did not want to be accused of being racist " their words And we are talking on a huge scale " | |||
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"Paedophilia is the problem. The failure of authority figures to believe children who complain is the problem. Gary Glitter abusing children in the far east is a similar example of the problem. His race and the race of his victims is irrelevant. The authorities have failed too many children in this country. Race is not a reason for paedophilia, or an excuse for the inaction of the authorities. I've no idea how this thread turned into a debate about flag waving. " Nor me. However statistically - in this country Type 2 offenders are predominantly white whereas type 1 offenders aren't. Also the word pedophile is often misused on the forums. Or used simply. | |||
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"You make a fairly good point... I think on Britain we are not the sort to paint everyone with the same brush and many are worried about not being politicly correct in the words they use. I am an Asian male and would certainly not be partaking in these inhumane acts. The issue is not that of black white Asian... Its more or less an issue with a very lenient justice system. Should these events occur in Asia then the punishment is more severe then just a few years in prison. Most of these people who take part in these disgusting acts know that the consequences are not as severe here so they decide to take the hit. I believe in justice and our justice system but I believe to stop this happening the punishment needs to be extreme. I also believe in heaven and hell and these people will burn. Sam x" Actually, in some Asian countries the girls would be punished and the men get off scott free. | |||
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"You make a fairly good point... I think on Britain we are not the sort to paint everyone with the same brush and many are worried about not being politicly correct in the words they use. I am an Asian male and would certainly not be partaking in these inhumane acts. The issue is not that of black white Asian... Its more or less an issue with a very lenient justice system. Should these events occur in Asia then the punishment is more severe then just a few years in prison. Most of these people who take part in these disgusting acts know that the consequences are not as severe here so they decide to take the hit. I believe in justice and our justice system but I believe to stop this happening the punishment needs to be extreme. I also believe in heaven and hell and these people will burn. Sam x Actually, in some Asian countries the girls would be punished and the men get off scott free. " Things may be changing http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/horrific-video-show-thousands-breaking-5288653 | |||
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"You make a fairly good point... I think on Britain we are not the sort to paint everyone with the same brush and many are worried about not being politicly correct in the words they use. I am an Asian male and would certainly not be partaking in these inhumane acts. The issue is not that of black white Asian... Its more or less an issue with a very lenient justice system. Should these events occur in Asia then the punishment is more severe then just a few years in prison. Most of these people who take part in these disgusting acts know that the consequences are not as severe here so they decide to take the hit. I believe in justice and our justice system but I believe to stop this happening the punishment needs to be extreme. I also believe in heaven and hell and these people will burn. Sam x Actually, in some Asian countries the girls would be punished and the men get off scott free. Things may be changing http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/horrific-video-show-thousands-breaking-5288653" I find it difficult to believe things are changing in the countries named. I am hazarding a guess at Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. The reason I state these two countries is that they both operate under strict sharia law. In order for things to change these countries would have to soften their laws which I don't believe they will. we all have our opinions and beliefs when I hear about things reported such as girls raped or beaten or murdered for simply trying to go to school to get an education or women stoned or whipped in public for simply being accused of adultery it does make me think that that law in particular Is oppressive to women, | |||
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"Facts are (the majority of) Muslim men don't respect women end of. Remember that poor girl who was gang raped on the bus in Delhi, raped with iron bars and beaten to death? " They were all Sikh and Hindu men! Don't be so culturally insensitive! | |||
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"Convicted were: Ram Singh Mukesh Singh Vinay Sharma Pawan Gupta Akshay Thakur an unnamed juvenile None of which are Muslim. Please don't identify these men as Muslim, that's not what the faith is about. That's like saying 90% of prisoners in the uk are Christian, therefore Christianity is teaching them to break the law! " now, now.... don't let fact get in the way of their prejudice | |||
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"Convicted were: Ram Singh Mukesh Singh Vinay Sharma Pawan Gupta Akshay Thakur an unnamed juvenile None of which are Muslim. Please don't identify these men as Muslim, that's not what the faith is about. That's like saying 90% of prisoners in the uk are Christian, therefore Christianity is teaching them to break the law! now, now.... don't let fact get in the way of their prejudice " well they all look alike now.... | |||
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"now, now.... don't let fact get in the way of their prejudice "
People look at us funny because I'm an asian bloke and she's a white girl! People look at us funny purely because of lack of education on cultural differences
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"Facts are (the majority of) Muslim men don't respect women end of. Remember that poor girl who was gang raped on the bus in Delhi, raped with iron bars and beaten to death? They were all Sikh and Hindu men! Don't be so culturally insensitive!" It's hard to distinguish between the religions when they all share the same fucked up warped _iew on women. | |||
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"Facts are (the majority of) Muslim men don't respect women end of. Remember that poor girl who was gang raped on the bus in Delhi, raped with iron bars and beaten to death? They were all Sikh and Hindu men! Don't be so culturally insensitive! It's hard to distinguish between the religions when they all share the same fucked up warped _iew on women. " that is why their religion has no real bearing in their sex crimes.. the same as any other. | |||
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"It's hard to distinguish between the religions when they all share the same fucked up warped _iew on women. " So you're saying I have this warped _iew on women? As well as 1.5billion other humans who share the same faith? | |||
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"Facts are (the majority of) Muslim men don't respect women end of. Remember that poor girl who was gang raped on the bus in Delhi, raped with iron bars and beaten to death? They were all Sikh and Hindu men! Don't be so culturally insensitive! It's hard to distinguish between the religions when they all share the same fucked up warped _iew on women. " oh lordy.... Now i give up!!!
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"Facts are (the majority of) Muslim men don't respect women end of. Remember that poor girl who was gang raped on the bus in Delhi, raped with iron bars and beaten to death? They were all Sikh and Hindu men! Don't be so culturally insensitive! It's hard to distinguish between the religions when they all share the same fucked up warped _iew on women. " I think you mean it's hard to distinguish when you are so blinded by hatred
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"now, now.... don't let fact get in the way of their prejudice
People look at us funny because I'm an asian bloke and she's a white girl! People look at us funny purely because of lack of education on cultural differences
Your stereotypes are what is causing such rifts in society and causing a lack of social cohesion between ethnicities. Educate yourself about religions and cultures before making judgements on them!"Yes but you and your family can't be that strict otherwise you wouldn't be with a white girl. It's the same with my best friend who has a son with her Bangladeshi boyfriend. Her son doesn't class himself as Muslim. My friends bf doesn't class himself as Muslim, doesn't partake in anything remotely religious, drinks alcohol as well. I don't see him as anything other than my mate, even take the piss out of him cos my skins darker than his and I'm white! Well half Italian half welsh. When discussions like this take place it's not racist it is predjudice like someone has already mentioned. What exactly is wrong with being predjudice? I don't like the religions that want to chop people's heads off or set fire to people, oppress women or just generally fuck about in the country where I live. Because of that I'm predjudice. | |||
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"that is why their religion has no real bearing in their sex crimes.. the same as any other." Come on View you must have sussed by now that for some people it's all about the religion of the perpetrator. Especially if they are muslim or look like they could be. | |||
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"that is why their religion has no real bearing in their sex crimes.. the same as any other. Come on View you must have sussed by now that for some people it's all about the religion of the perpetrator. Especially if they are muslim or look like they could be. " It was a fleeting moment of blindness | |||
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"Facts are (the majority of) Muslim men don't respect women end of. Remember that poor girl who was gang raped on the bus in Delhi, raped with iron bars and beaten to death? They were all Sikh and Hindu men! Don't be so culturally insensitive! It's hard to distinguish between the religions when they all share the same fucked up warped _iew on women. that is why their religion has no real bearing in their sex crimes.. the same as any other." sorry but I would have to disagree there are 2 parts to islam. It is not just as such a religion on its own but more of a religious ideology. In other words it is both a religion and a political ideology, There sre moderate muslims that just follow the religious side of Islam and then there are the muslim ideologists that all believe in living under sharia law, which is the political side of islam. The conflict is the fanatics you hear about on the news isis, alshabab, alqeida all want to impose sharia law upon the world. As your no doubt aware there are many moderate muslim countries and then there is Pakistan and Saudi Arabia governed under sharia law. we all watch the news and hear about young muslim girls being raped beaten or worse for simply wanting to go to school to gain an education ..but this is against sharia law. Then you hear on the news muslim women being publically stoned or whipped for being accussed of adultery with no evidence other than the husbands and his friends say so. Then you hear about Christian missionaries being left to rot in prison and told to renounce there faith and convert to islam or rot in jail. so please forgive me for saying this but from what I have seen over the years in news stories and articles then please forgive me for stating that islam sharia law is not a friendly religious ideology towards women and dare I say maybe a touch oppressive towards women. | |||
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"Facts are (the majority of) Muslim men don't respect women end of. Remember that poor girl who was gang raped on the bus in Delhi, raped with iron bars and beaten to death? They were all Sikh and Hindu men! Don't be so culturally insensitive! It's hard to distinguish between the religions when they all share the same fucked up warped _iew on women. that is why their religion has no real bearing in their sex crimes.. the same as any other. sorry but I would have to disagree there are 2 parts to islam. It is not just as such a religion on its own but more of a religious ideology. In other words it is both a religion and a political ideology, There sre moderate muslims that just follow the religious side of Islam and then there are the muslim ideologists that all believe in living under sharia law, which is the political side of islam. The conflict is the fanatics you hear about on the news isis, alshabab, alqeida all want to impose sharia law upon the world. As your no doubt aware there are many moderate muslim countries and then there is Pakistan and Saudi Arabia governed under sharia law. we all watch the news and hear about young muslim girls being raped beaten or worse for simply wanting to go to school to gain an education ..but this is against sharia law. Then you hear on the news muslim women being publically stoned or whipped for being accussed of adultery with no evidence other than the husbands and his friends say so. Then you hear about Christian missionaries being left to rot in prison and told to renounce there faith and convert to islam or rot in jail. so please forgive me for saying this but from what I have seen over the years in news stories and articles then please forgive me for stating that islam sharia law is not a friendly religious ideology towards women and dare I say maybe a touch oppressive towards women. " yup, and those Christian Domestic abusers....... shocking. | |||
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"Facts are (the majority of) Muslim men don't respect women end of. Remember that poor girl who was gang raped on the bus in Delhi, raped with iron bars and beaten to death? They were all Sikh and Hindu men! Don't be so culturally insensitive! It's hard to distinguish between the religions when they all share the same fucked up warped _iew on women. that is why their religion has no real bearing in their sex crimes.. the same as any other. sorry but I would have to disagree there are 2 parts to islam. It is not just as such a religion on its own but more of a religious ideology. In other words it is both a religion and a political ideology, There sre moderate muslims that just follow the religious side of Islam and then there are the muslim ideologists that all believe in living under sharia law, which is the political side of islam. The conflict is the fanatics you hear about on the news isis, alshabab, alqeida all want to impose sharia law upon the world. As your no doubt aware there are many moderate muslim countries and then there is Pakistan and Saudi Arabia governed under sharia law. we all watch the news and hear about young muslim girls being raped beaten or worse for simply wanting to go to school to gain an education ..but this is against sharia law. Then you hear on the news muslim women being publically stoned or whipped for being accussed of adultery with no evidence other than the husbands and his friends say so. Then you hear about Christian missionaries being left to rot in prison and told to renounce there faith and convert to islam or rot in jail. so please forgive me for saying this but from what I have seen over the years in news stories and articles then please forgive me for stating that islam sharia law is not a friendly religious ideology towards women and dare I say maybe a touch oppressive towards women. " I'm Pakistani origin, all my female relatives from the homelands are educated. In fact have a female cousin who is a general in the army there! | |||
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"I'm sure some people just come out for a certain type of thread. " well all you can end up saying is that it is an eyeopener... and not for all the right reasons.... but in a way i'd rather the _iews and misguided logic and reasoning is aired because that way at least you know... | |||
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"Please read up on these religions before making assumptions that they say this and that. The Muslim faith itself is very peaceful, it's just minorities misinterpret it too often. Actually my family are very strict, I couldn't give a flying monkeys what anyone thinks so long as we (my partner and I) are happy. Prejudice and racism go hand in hand. " I never said the muslim faith wasn't but what about muslim countries governed under sharia law I don't see anything peaceful about the young afghan muslim girl shot in the face for defying sharia law by simply wanting to go to school. The young girl who later went on to get a nobel peace prize. | |||
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"Please read up on these religions before making assumptions that they say this and that. The Muslim faith itself is very peaceful, it's just minorities misinterpret it too often. Actually my family are very strict, I couldn't give a flying monkeys what anyone thinks so long as we (my partner and I) are happy. Prejudice and racism go hand in hand. I never said the muslim faith wasn't but what about muslim countries governed under sharia law I don't see anything peaceful about the young afghan muslim girl shot in the face for defying sharia law by simply wanting to go to school. The young girl who later went on to get a nobel peace prize. " She was from Pakistan. | |||
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"Op - I'm a little confused by the point you're making. Admittedly I don't know a huge amount about this case. My understanding is that the men in question were caught, investigated, charged and convicted of their horrible crimes. That is the right result. Where does race come into it? I stress, this is a genuine question as I know little about the detail of the case. It appears the Op is not going to answer my question so maybe someone else will. Is the general point being made that the girls who were victims of these criminals were let down by the state specifically because they were white? yes that is my point ..because the victims were white and the powers that be turned a deliberate blind eye out of desperation to be politically correct and fearfull of being branded racist. You seem to be suggesting that the victims faced racism from the authorities, not necessarily those who committed the crimes. How does this differ from Jimmy Saville and the many members of the clergy who's victims were regularly ignored at the time they made valid complaints? I made this point further up but since it doesn't quite fit with the original argument it's been glossed over. I think it's because of my ethnicity "Ultimately it's power: Savile was protected as he had power, money and influence. Similarly the Church. The sex traffickers were protected by the colour of their skin, which gave them protection, which in turn gave them power over their victims. In that respect the case hinges on racism | |||
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"Please read up on these religions before making assumptions that they say this and that. The Muslim faith itself is very peaceful, it's just minorities misinterpret it too often. Actually my family are very strict, I couldn't give a flying monkeys what anyone thinks so long as we (my partner and I) are happy. Prejudice and racism go hand in hand. I never said the muslim faith wasn't but what about muslim countries governed under sharia law I don't see anything peaceful about the young afghan muslim girl shot in the face for defying sharia law by simply wanting to go to school. The young girl who later went on to get a nobel peace prize. She was from Pakistan. " think she was afghan makes no difference she was still a muslim girl shot in the face by the Taliban for disobeying there ideological sharia law rule of wanting to go to school to get an education. Its still not very peacfull getting shot in the face for simply wanting to go to school. btw ile just add Taliban are muslim to before anybody tries passing them of as paedophile catholic priests or were under orders from jimmy saville as some have tried passing of these Asian sex ring gangs. | |||
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"Please read up on these religions before making assumptions that they say this and that. The Muslim faith itself is very peaceful, it's just minorities misinterpret it too often. Actually my family are very strict, I couldn't give a flying monkeys what anyone thinks so long as we (my partner and I) are happy. Prejudice and racism go hand in hand. I never said the muslim faith wasn't but what about muslim countries governed under sharia law I don't see anything peaceful about the young afghan muslim girl shot in the face for defying sharia law by simply wanting to go to school. The young girl who later went on to get a nobel peace prize. She was from Pakistan. " She was still gunned down for writing a blog detailing her life under Taliban occupation, their attempts to take control of the valley, and her _iews on promoting education for girls in the Swat Valley | |||
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" Do you think this country is so desperate to be multicultural it ignores cries for help from its own people ?" Yes I do. However, I don't brand all those of a certain faith as being guilty as some do. I believe the UK has always been a country with a welcome for anyone of any faith. I don't believe we are a multicultural country, we're a Christian country. I think we've gone too far down the line PC wise and some are now afraid to report abuse for fear of being thought racist. Those Asian men who have been involved in the abuse of girls are scumbags who I will not lose any sleep over if they get used as bitches in prison for Big Bertha and "her" crew - pretty much the same as I won't lose sleep over Christian, Hindu, Sikh or 7th Day Adventist abusers (other religions are available). However, I personally don't tar everyone with the same brush, although I do feel that Islam's attitude to women leaves a lot to be desired which MAY lead to some of the abuse. Signed, a Daily Express and occasional Mail reader with an opinion and a fairly reasonable mind of her own | |||
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"Yes, completely agree Political correctness is a blight on this country and undermines what it sets out to do. Why people can't treat one another equally is beyond me. I don't think there is another country on earth that beats itself up so much on issues of race, colour, creed etc. as England. We can't even hang up our national flag without being seen as being racist! " I agree with your comments - this is a topic that really gets my back up !! The uk is ripping itself apart trying to be 'independent' states, but we still don't want that. We have been a country that has thrived on immigration throughout all if it's history. If racism does exist to the levels it is perceived to be ... The nation would come to a stand still. My son has raised a debate in FB following today's EDL march, he has posted the question 'how long has being anti Muslim been racist?' He goes on to say he dosnt agree with creationism, Catholics, Mormon or any other religion. My opinion is that we are nationalists who want to gain control of what we know to be British. We are now fighting another war that most don't know or understand why we are there... Only that they fit under the Muslim Umbrella. Thus creating another portion of the human race for those uneducated and ignorant few (the racists) to hate. I say get out there, use your voice be heard and listen !! This is your country, support our troops and be a homeland guard. Fight the racists !!! *NB This is not meant to upset or offend anyone, it's purely my opinion on a topic that affects is. | |||
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