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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Oh dear....., too late for a change of leader before the election. If you haven't heard her interview on LBC radio today give it a go, quite possibly the worst political interview of all time. Election suicide.  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Oh dear....., too late for a change of leader before the election. If you haven't heard her interview on LBC radio today give it a go, quite possibly the worst political interview of all time. Election suicide. "
Did make me cringe a bit... The one she did on newsnight wasn't good either
Shame it isn't more of caroline Lucas fronting that Natalie.... Some of the policies are really interesting but the message is going to get lost |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh dear....., too late for a change of leader before the election. If you haven't heard her interview on LBC radio today give it a go, quite possibly the worst political interview of all time. Election suicide.
Did make me cringe a bit... The one she did on newsnight wasn't good either
Shame it isn't more of caroline Lucas fronting that Natalie.... Some of the policies are really interesting but the message is going to get lost "
There are indeed some, erm, interesting policies. Nothing wrong with being different but costing is always a good idea. I saw her TV interview and was rather shocked at her inability to respond to basic questions about how the country could afford some of her policies. "Err, we will publish details in due course," seemed to be the best she could do. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"lol
Like the green party had any chance anyway  "
They would have hoped to get a few MPs I'm sure, but with someone totally incompetent delivering the messages they have no chance and any protest votes they may have got will go elsewhere. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I believe you should vote for who ever you want to, but the greens get on my tits.
We have an almighty dick in the Scottish Parliament who just talks shite !!!! I agree on climate change , recycle etc but I am sorry sometimes these people live in cuckoo land.
When your party is about saving the planet costing and practicalities go straight out the window. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Oh dear....., too late for a change of leader before the election. If you haven't heard her interview on LBC radio today give it a go, quite possibly the worst political interview of all time. Election suicide.
Did make me cringe a bit... The one she did on newsnight wasn't good either
Shame it isn't more of caroline Lucas fronting that Natalie.... Some of the policies are really interesting but the message is going to get lost
There are indeed some, erm, interesting policies. Nothing wrong with being different but costing is always a good idea. I saw her TV interview and was rather shocked at her inability to respond to basic questions about how the country could afford some of her policies. "Err, we will publish details in due course," seemed to be the best she could do."
That last line seems to be working for ukip at the moment... 
P.s greens had 1 more mp than ukip at the last election... Funny thing is if the greens can get the uni students enthusiastic they will have a really good shot at winning a number of seats... Probably as many as ukip but they have to get out the student vote |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I believe you should vote for who ever you want to, but the greens get on my tits.
We have an almighty dick in the Scottish Parliament who just talks shite !!!! I agree on climate change , recycle etc but I am sorry sometimes these people live in cuckoo land.
When your party is about saving the planet costing and practicalities go straight out the window."
Perhaps they consider the future of the planet and the human race, a bit more important than what's the fairest way to pay for it.  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"suppose some will blame the media as with the kippers default position..
it was a terrible interview..
very poor.."
Fair play to her.. She came out and said it was terrible... It's a shame because it was on housing and it's one of their proposals I like
She did so well on "stand up and be counted" which got a lot of the newsnight interview counter balanced |
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"suppose some will blame the media as with the kippers default position..
it was a terrible interview..
very poor..
Fair play to her.. She came out and said it was terrible... It's a shame because it was on housing and it's one of their proposals I like
She did so well on "stand up and be counted" which got a lot of the newsnight interview counter balanced "
she couldn't very well say anything other than that though could she lest she look stupid to boot which she isn't..
ditto on that policy for myself, begs the question why she was so ill prepared.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh dear....., too late for a change of leader before the election. If you haven't heard her interview on LBC radio today give it a go, quite possibly the worst political interview of all time. Election suicide.
Did make me cringe a bit... The one she did on newsnight wasn't good either
Shame it isn't more of caroline Lucas fronting that Natalie.... Some of the policies are really interesting but the message is going to get lost
There are indeed some, erm, interesting policies. Nothing wrong with being different but costing is always a good idea. I saw her TV interview and was rather shocked at her inability to respond to basic questions about how the country could afford some of her policies. "Err, we will publish details in due course," seemed to be the best she could do.
That last line seems to be working for ukip at the moment...
P.s greens had 1 more mp than ukip at the last election... Funny thing is if the greens can get the uni students enthusiastic they will have a really good shot at winning a number of seats... Probably as many as ukip but they have to get out the student vote"
Lawd, I do hope our students have learned enough critical thinking to recognize bull. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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That was absolutely hilarious. Thankfully the message is now getting out that these people and those who support them are simply clowns.
No costing on housing and as we saw previously with Andrew Neil, no costing of the citizens wage.
http://youtu.be/32aqb167NkE
The most worrying thing is that despite all of this cringeworthy and quite ridiculous outing of their policies.... Some people will still vote for them. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"suppose some will blame the media as with the kippers default position..
it was a terrible interview..
very poor..
Fair play to her.. She came out and said it was terrible... It's a shame because it was on housing and it's one of their proposals I like
She did so well on "stand up and be counted" which got a lot of the newsnight interview counter balanced "
But their proposal is completely un costed. I like the idea of a zero tax economy but it can't work. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I believe you should vote for who ever you want to, but the greens get on my tits.
We have an almighty dick in the Scottish Parliament who just talks shite !!!! I agree on climate change , recycle etc but I am sorry sometimes these people live in cuckoo land.
When your party is about saving the planet costing and practicalities go straight out the window.
Perhaps they consider the future of the planet and the human race, a bit more important than what's the fairest way to pay for it. "
You are probly right !!! They are just shite at adding and costing things lol |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"That was absolutely hilarious. Thankfully the message is now getting out that these people and those who support them are simply clowns.
No costing on housing and as we saw previously with Andrew Neil, no costing of the citizens wage.
http://youtu.be/32aqb167NkE
The most worrying thing is that despite all of this cringeworthy and quite ridiculous outing of their policies.... Some people will still vote for them."
If they had some decent leadership and some moderated policies, in the current environment they might actually do ok. Problem is they are so extreme and with someone incompetent at the top they are in danger of becoming a laughing stock. |
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The environmental stuff is just a smokescreen. The Greens are just the hard Left with its wellies on. Always have been right across Europe.
Look at what she said - it could have come from the SWP. Zero immigration controls. Don't make it illegal to join ISIS or al-Qaeda. And my favourite, disband the British Army and replace it with a "home defence force".
So, vote Green and get true open door immigration, legalised jihadism, and the return of Dad's Army. Fucking hell.
Who do you think you're kidding Mzzzzz Bennett?
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
Luckily this won't make any difference to anyone planning to vote Green. It will still be a real shock to the media when they poll far better than UKIP, of course.
Bring on the Green revolution! |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"But their proposal is completely un costed. I like the idea of a zero tax economy but it can't work."
ALL party claims are completely uncosted. Where they are costed, they are with figures that have been manipulated to help push through the particular lie that is being sold. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hello Edwalu2,
Your vote, but thankfully this country has far more sense than to drop the mainstream parties for a party that has such extreme economic views to the country's detriment and as for their 'green policies' they just will not work.
Try reading a book called 'Watermelons', for an insight into their aims. Watermelons - Green on the outside and red on the inside.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes I felt very badly for her, it's a terrible shame when the nerves get the better of the brain.
I haven't ripped up my membership because of it though, it's just one of those things that happens from time to time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's a shame that media presentation is considered more important than substance, anyway the numbers...
http://greenparty.org.uk/files/Housing-Policy-Briefing.pdf
We will fund the housebuilding programme by increasing the social housing budget from £1.5bn per
year to £6bn by 2017 – a four-fold increase.
We will pay for this in the main by reforming landlord tax allowances to incentivise good practice rather
than profit, starting with scrapping the mortgage interest tax allowance. Landlords currently receive a
public subsidy for their capital gains by claiming tax relief on buy-to-let mortgage interest payments,
which we will abolish. In 2010-11 this was worth up to £5.8 billion. Due to growth in the buy-to-let
sector it is now worth more. We take a conservative estimate of a £4.5 billion annual saving from the
overall reforms by 2017 . |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"It's a shame that media presentation is considered more important than substance, anyway the numbers...
http://greenparty.org.uk/files/Housing-Policy-Briefing.pdf
We will fund the housebuilding programme by increasing the social housing budget from £1.5bn per
year to £6bn by 2017 – a four-fold increase.
We will pay for this in the main by reforming landlord tax allowances to incentivise good practice rather
than profit, starting with scrapping the mortgage interest tax allowance. Landlords currently receive a
public subsidy for their capital gains by claiming tax relief on buy-to-let mortgage interest payments,
which we will abolish. In 2010-11 this was worth up to £5.8 billion. Due to growth in the buy-to-let
sector it is now worth more. We take a conservative estimate of a £4.5 billion annual saving from the
overall reforms by 2017 ."
So would this tax relief loophole closure apply to all commercial activity? Would no person or entity be able write down interest against profits? I can't see that going down very well can you? Nor can I see how a law can be drafted to remove loan/mortgage interest relief from just one sector of business. Almost every business in the country relies on loan interest being tax deductible - it would simply destroy business at a stroke to change it and would probably result in the bankrupcy of tens of thousands of businesses overnight.
Let's just say they do invent a targetted and prejudicial law just directed at landlords? That would be targeting the very people who are taking their own pension arrangements into their own hands. Instead those people will again become state dependent in old age.
Then again, as Natalie Bennett said about the citizens wage - its purpose is to make meaningful work less necessary.
So more tax to pay for less people working and more people living on the cheap... Just one point missing..
Who will be paying all the tax if companies and entities are no longer making a profit because tax relief on interest payments has been abolished?
Well thought out policy. Not. |
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"The environmental stuff is just a smokescreen. The Greens are just the hard Left with its wellies on. Always have been right across Europe.
Look at what she said - it could have come from the SWP. Zero immigration controls. Don't make it illegal to join ISIS or al-Qaeda. And my favourite, disband the British Army and replace it with a "home defence force".
So, vote Green and get true open door immigration, legalised jihadism, and the return of Dad's Army. Fucking hell.
Who do you think you're kidding Mzzzzz Bennett?
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If the German Greens are anything to go by that list would be the least of your worries.
I live with the reality of a strong Green party every day and it isn't a pretty sight.
These people are complete crackpots. |
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"It's a shame that media presentation is considered more important than substance, anyway the numbers...
http://greenparty.org.uk/files/Housing-Policy-Briefing.pdf
We will fund the housebuilding programme by increasing the social housing budget from £1.5bn per
year to £6bn by 2017 – a four-fold increase.
We will pay for this in the main by reforming landlord tax allowances to incentivise good practice rather
than profit, starting with scrapping the mortgage interest tax allowance. Landlords currently receive a
public subsidy for their capital gains by claiming tax relief on buy-to-let mortgage interest payments,
which we will abolish. In 2010-11 this was worth up to £5.8 billion. Due to growth in the buy-to-let
sector it is now worth more. We take a conservative estimate of a £4.5 billion annual saving from the
overall reforms by 2017 .
So would this tax relief loophole closure apply to all commercial activity? Would no person or entity be able write down interest against profits? I can't see that going down very well can you? Nor can I see how a law can be drafted to remove loan/mortgage interest relief from just one sector of business. Almost every business in the country relies on loan interest being tax deductible - it would simply destroy business at a stroke to change it and would probably result in the bankrupcy of tens of thousands of businesses overnight.
Let's just say they do invent a targetted and prejudicial law just directed at landlords? That would be targeting the very people who are taking their own pension arrangements into their own hands. Instead those people will again become state dependent in old age.
Then again, as Natalie Bennett said about the citizens wage - its purpose is to make meaningful work less necessary.
So more tax to pay for less people working and more people living on the cheap... Just one point missing..
Who will be paying all the tax if companies and entities are no longer making a profit because tax relief on interest payments has been abolished?
Well thought out policy. Not."
Your post makes perfect sense.
The problem is that the Greens wouldn't know common sense if it smacked them in the eye. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
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If the German Greens are anything to go by that list would be the least of your worries.
I live with the reality of a strong Green party every day and it isn't a pretty sight.
These people are complete crackpots."
Unlike the far right? |
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"That was absolutely hilarious. Thankfully the message is now getting out that these people and those who support them are simply clowns.
No costing on housing and as we saw previously with Andrew Neil, no costing of the citizens wage.
http://youtu.be/32aqb167NkE
The most worrying thing is that despite all of this cringeworthy and quite ridiculous outing of their policies.... Some people will still vote for them.
If they had some decent leadership and some moderated policies, in the current environment they might actually do ok. Problem is they are so extreme and with someone incompetent at the top they are in danger of becoming a laughing stock."
In danger of becoming a laughing stock? Surely they already are after these interviews, lol. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's a shame that media presentation is considered more important than substance, anyway the numbers...
http://greenparty.org.uk/files/Housing-Policy-Briefing.pdf
We will fund the housebuilding programme by increasing the social housing budget from £1.5bn per
year to £6bn by 2017 – a four-fold increase.
We will pay for this in the main by reforming landlord tax allowances to incentivise good practice rather
than profit, starting with scrapping the mortgage interest tax allowance. Landlords currently receive a
public subsidy for their capital gains by claiming tax relief on buy-to-let mortgage interest payments,
which we will abolish. In 2010-11 this was worth up to £5.8 billion. Due to growth in the buy-to-let
sector it is now worth more. We take a conservative estimate of a £4.5 billion annual saving from the
overall reforms by 2017 .
So would this tax relief loophole closure apply to all commercial activity? Would no person or entity be able write down interest against profits? I can't see that going down very well can you? Nor can I see how a law can be drafted to remove loan/mortgage interest relief from just one sector of business. Almost every business in the country relies on loan interest being tax deductible - it would simply destroy business at a stroke to change it and would probably result in the bankrupcy of tens of thousands of businesses overnight.
Let's just say they do invent a targetted and prejudicial law just directed at landlords? That would be targeting the very people who are taking their own pension arrangements into their own hands. Instead those people will again become state dependent in old age.
Then again, as Natalie Bennett said about the citizens wage - its purpose is to make meaningful work less necessary.
So more tax to pay for less people working and more people living on the cheap... Just one point missing..
Who will be paying all the tax if companies and entities are no longer making a profit because tax relief on interest payments has been abolished?
Well thought out policy. Not."
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Not if your a landlord.
It's in the wording... Landlord tax allowance |
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Not if your a landlord.
It's in the wording... Landlord tax allowance "
There is no such 'allowance'. There is no such loophole.
Landlords, like any business, are able to borrow capital to fund their businesses, and interest charged is not taxable. Landlords pay tax on profits, like any business, not on rental income (turnover).
Simply all landlords would set themselves up as companies, or sell their portfolio to larger companies. Either way there would be no net gain to the treasury.
(Oh, and property building/renovation for rental would plummet)
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By (user no longer on site)
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Not if your a landlord.
It's in the wording... Landlord tax allowance
There is no such 'allowance'. There is no such loophole.
Landlords, like any business, are able to borrow capital to fund their businesses, and interest charged is not taxable. Landlords pay tax on profits, like any business, not on rental income (turnover).
Simply all landlords would set themselves up as companies, or sell their portfolio to larger companies. Either way there would be no net gain to the treasury.
(Oh, and property building/renovation for rental would plummet)
Mr ddc"
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There talking about relief on the mortgage of the property.
Not on capital raised.
Usually landlords select an interest only mortgage of about equal to the income of the property |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Property prices are held out of reach by first time buyers because people use property as investments instead of their purpose of somewhere to live.
It's alright bemoaning the fact that somebody with a few bob already won't be able to earn a bit for their pension by buying to let, but that very act puts prices out of reach for lots of young people trying to get a house in the first place.  |
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There talking about relief on the mortgage of the property.
Not on capital raised.
Usually landlords select an interest only mortgage of about equal to the income of the property"
No. They're wording it so the man in the street think buy-to-let still gets MIRAS. This is dishonest and disingenuous.
The 'mortgage' is the method by which the capital required to purchase and renovate the properties is raised. The interest goes to the bank. I'm pretty sure you can't get much more than a 70% mortgage on buy-to-let.
It's not like a football club, where money is 'borrowed' from a subsidiary simply to avoid taxes.
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"Property prices are held out of reach by first time buyers because people use property as investments instead of their purpose of somewhere to live.
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No. Property prices are high because of supply and demand. We simply need to build more houses, but too many NIMBYs prevent new housing scheme.
A landlord does not prevent someone from living in a house, they enable it (what else is council housing) Only 2nd homes remove property from the market place |
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There talking about relief on the mortgage of the property.
Not on capital raised.
Usually landlords select an interest only mortgage of about equal to the income of the property
No. They're wording it so the man in the street think buy-to-let still gets MIRAS. This is dishonest and disingenuous.
The 'mortgage' is the method by which the capital required to purchase and renovate the properties is raised. The interest goes to the bank. I'm pretty sure you can't get much more than a 70% mortgage on buy-to-let.
It's not like a football club, where money is 'borrowed' from a subsidiary simply to avoid taxes.
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Usually they would get a 50% interest only mortgage the repayments covered by the net rental.
But no it's not miras |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"It's a shame that media presentation is considered more important than substance, anyway the numbers...
http://greenparty.org.uk/files/Housing-Policy-Briefing.pdf
We will fund the housebuilding programme by increasing the social housing budget from £1.5bn per
year to £6bn by 2017 – a four-fold increase.
We will pay for this in the main by reforming landlord tax allowances to incentivise good practice rather
than profit, starting with scrapping the mortgage interest tax allowance. Landlords currently receive a
public subsidy for their capital gains by claiming tax relief on buy-to-let mortgage interest payments,
which we will abolish. In 2010-11 this was worth up to £5.8 billion. Due to growth in the buy-to-let
sector it is now worth more. We take a conservative estimate of a £4.5 billion annual saving from the
overall reforms by 2017 .
So would this tax relief loophole closure apply to all commercial activity? Would no person or entity be able write down interest against profits? I can't see that going down very well can you? Nor can I see how a law can be drafted to remove loan/mortgage interest relief from just one sector of business. Almost every business in the country relies on loan interest being tax deductible - it would simply destroy business at a stroke to change it and would probably result in the bankrupcy of tens of thousands of businesses overnight.
Let's just say they do invent a targetted and prejudicial law just directed at landlords? That would be targeting the very people who are taking their own pension arrangements into their own hands. Instead those people will again become state dependent in old age.
Then again, as Natalie Bennett said about the citizens wage - its purpose is to make meaningful work less necessary.
So more tax to pay for less people working and more people living on the cheap... Just one point missing..
Who will be paying all the tax if companies and entities are no longer making a profit because tax relief on interest payments has been abolished?
Well thought out policy. Not..
Not if your a landlord.
It's in the wording... Landlord tax allowance "
There is no such thing as a landlord tax allowance unless you know otherwise? |
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"Property prices are held out of reach by first time buyers because people use property as investments instead of their purpose of somewhere to live.
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No. Property prices are high because of supply and demand. We simply need to build more houses, but too many NIMBYs prevent new housing scheme.
A landlord does not prevent someone from living in a house, they enable it (what else is council housing) Only 2nd homes remove property from the market place"
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You could build houses from here to Glasgow but if their snatched up for investment purposes then in effect to the first rung crew , you wouldn't have built any.
We actually build more new houses in this country than France or Germany |
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Usually they would get a 50% interest only mortgage the repayments covered by the net rental.
But no it's not miras"
So why should landlords be singled out, above all other businesses, to pay tax on money which they borrow? Instead of just profits and capital gains? |
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Usually they would get a 50% interest only mortgage the repayments covered by the net rental.
But no it's not miras
So why should landlords be singled out, above all other businesses, to pay tax on money which they borrow? Instead of just profits and capital gains?"
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Because their the biggest problem to the housing shortage for the reasons I'd stated |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Not if your a landlord.
It's in the wording... Landlord tax allowance
There is no such 'allowance'. There is no such loophole.
Landlords, like any business, are able to borrow capital to fund their businesses, and interest charged is not taxable. Landlords pay tax on profits, like any business, not on rental income (turnover).
Simply all landlords would set themselves up as companies, or sell their portfolio to larger companies. Either way there would be no net gain to the treasury.
(Oh, and property building/renovation for rental would plummet)
Mr ddc.
There talking about relief on the mortgage of the property.
Not on capital raised.
Usually landlords select an interest only mortgage of about equal to the income of the property"
You appear to be fumbling around a bit like your supreme leader.
Who is talking about relief on the mortgage of the property and what exactly does it mean?
What is "not on capital raised"?
So are landlords now not going to be allowed to select an appropriate loan for their needs? How will this cross over into business when for example a restaurant needs a new cooker will the interest on the loan also not be tax deductible?
This is such a flawed, ridiculous and unworkable idea that it almost beggars belief that anyone with aspirations of government could even consider it.
There is no way such a plan could be introduced without it affecting all business and the UK would then be the only country in the world without tax relief on interest for business. We would degenerate into a fourth world cash economy - or worse - a barter economy. |
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You could build houses from here to Glasgow but if their snatched up for investment purposes then in effect to the first rung crew , you wouldn't have built any.
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Of course you would. And people would be renting them and living in them. This is exactly what the Greens want, more houses to rent, isn't it?
Their issue is they only want councils to rent them, not private companies or individuals.
(In other words, they're not so much green, as very deep red!) |
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You could build houses from here to Glasgow but if their snatched up for investment purposes then in effect to the first rung crew , you wouldn't have built any.
Of course you would. And people would be renting them and living in them. This is exactly what the Greens want, more houses to rent, isn't it?
Their issue is they only want councils to rent them, not private companies or individuals.
(In other words, they're not so much green, as very deep red!)"
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More houses to own... Not more houses to rent |
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Because their the biggest problem to the housing shortage for the reasons I'd stated"
If I buy a house, and rent it out to someone who is unable to get a mortgage, how am I creating a housing shortage? Am I not giving someone a home who would otherwise be homeless? |
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Because their the biggest problem to the housing shortage for the reasons I'd stated
If I buy a house, and rent it out to someone who is unable to get a mortgage, how am I creating a housing shortage? Am I not giving someone a home who would otherwise be homeless?"
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You've quired a second house that means that house is no longer available for someone to buy,
Because thousands of people do it means the prices are held artificially high and above the level that stopped the person buying it in the first place. |
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Because their the biggest problem to the housing shortage for the reasons I'd stated
If I buy a house, and rent it out to someone who is unable to get a mortgage, how am I creating a housing shortage? Am I not giving someone a home who would otherwise be homeless?"
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I'm not singling you out personally, I'm just saying that's the way the greens look at the problem. |
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More houses to own... Not more houses to rent
Oh no, no, no.
She definitely said, and their website confirms it, all the new housing she wants to build is for rental only"
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Yes new property they build will remain for rental only.
I thought you were talking about housing in general. |
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I'm not singling you out personally, I'm just saying that's the way the greens look at the problem."
Lol, I know.
And it's nice to debate weighty matters on here sometimes .
The greens have some good policies, but I worry their overriding gut-feeling that all private companies or profit are inherently evil governs too much of what they do.
Who would have thought that the one place where they are in power should have one of the worst recycling rates in the country? |
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I'm not singling you out personally, I'm just saying that's the way the greens look at the problem.
Lol, I know.
And it's nice to debate weighty matters on here sometimes .
The greens have some good policies, but I worry their overriding gut-feeling that all private companies or profit are inherently evil governs too much of what they do.
Who would have thought that the one place where they are in power should have one of the worst recycling rates in the country?"
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Hey I never said we were perfect lol.
You have to look at the issue from a green perspective, you can't just build thousands of new houses because of the environmental issues, so they look to free up as much of the available housing as possible unfortunately for some this would mean muscling out alot of private landlords from the market  |
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"suppose some will blame the media as with the kippers default position..
it was a terrible interview..
very poor..
Fair play to her.. She came out and said it was terrible... It's a shame because it was on housing and it's one of their proposals I like
She did so well on "stand up and be counted" which got a lot of the newsnight interview counter balanced
But their proposal is completely un costed. I like the idea of a zero tax economy but it can't work."
monster raving loony party |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"Hello Edwalu2,
Your vote, but thankfully this country has far more sense than to drop the mainstream parties for a party that has such extreme economic views to the country's detriment and as for their 'green policies' they just will not work.
Try reading a book called 'Watermelons', for an insight into their aims. Watermelons - Green on the outside and red on the inside.
Alec"
If anything, they probably aren't red enough on the inside.
Still, they are the best (in fact the only) Socialists with any chance of seats in parliament that we've got, so roll on their election success. The mainstream parties will be desperate to curry their favour in the next hung parliament, and with a fair wind it will cause the Tory, Labour and Lib Dem neoliberals to worry about the direction they are taking the country in.
Realising that UKIP were a paper tiger will just be the icing on the cake. |
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Hey I never said we were perfect lol.
You have to look at the issue from a green perspective, you can't just build thousands of new houses because of the environmental issues, so they look to free up as much of the available housing as possible unfortunately for some this would mean muscling out alot of private landlords from the market "
And that's where their thinking is a bit muddled. So, to continue my analogy, they 'free up the market' by making me kick out my drug-dependent tenant, and put the house on the market.
But she can't buy it, because she can't get a mortgage. So now she's homeless.
Who buys my house? Some middle class youngster with a deposit from Mum and Dad.
Doesn't sound a very good policy to me, helping the middle classes at the expense of the most vulnerable in society...
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Hey I never said we were perfect lol.
You have to look at the issue from a green perspective, you can't just build thousands of new houses because of the environmental issues, so they look to free up as much of the available housing as possible unfortunately for some this would mean muscling out alot of private landlords from the market
And that's where their thinking is a bit muddled. So, to continue my analogy, they 'free up the market' by making me kick out my drug-dependent tenant, and put the house on the market.
But she can't buy it, because she can't get a mortgage. So now she's homeless.
Who buys my house? Some middle class youngster with a deposit from Mum and Dad.
Doesn't sound a very good policy to me, helping the middle classes at the expense of the most vulnerable in society...
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Yeah I know there hoping for a medium term housing correction, the truth is you can pick holes in every policy by any party, there'll never be fair to everyone. |
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Hey I never said we were perfect lol.
You have to look at the issue from a green perspective, you can't just build thousands of new houses because of the environmental issues, so they look to free up as much of the available housing as possible unfortunately for some this would mean muscling out alot of private landlords from the market
And that's where their thinking is a bit muddled. So, to continue my analogy, they 'free up the market' by making me kick out my drug-dependent tenant, and put the house on the market.
But she can't buy it, because she can't get a mortgage. So now she's homeless.
Who buys my house? Some middle class youngster with a deposit from Mum and Dad.
Doesn't sound a very good policy to me, helping the middle classes at the expense of the most vulnerable in society...
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. We also need to remember that the government receive Capital Gains Tax if the buy to let is subsequently sold at a profit. Have the Green Party costed how much of this tax that they would lose . ?. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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Interesting poll...when 50,000 people were surveyed on policies without knowing which policies belonged to which party, the most popular party was...The Greens!
https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/survey/results/XOP7LJNCOD2kuvu5u#/total-results
Just goes to show that people can display some common sense when they have the blinkers forcibly removed. |
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Hey I never said we were perfect lol.
You have to look at the issue from a green perspective, you can't just build thousands of new houses because of the environmental issues, so they look to free up as much of the available housing as possible unfortunately for some this would mean muscling out alot of private landlords from the market
And that's where their thinking is a bit muddled. So, to continue my analogy, they 'free up the market' by making me kick out my drug-dependent tenant, and put the house on the market.
But she can't buy it, because she can't get a mortgage. So now she's homeless.
Who buys my house? Some middle class youngster with a deposit from Mum and Dad.
Doesn't sound a very good policy to me, helping the middle classes at the expense of the most vulnerable in society...
. We also need to remember that the government receive Capital Gains Tax if the buy to let is subsequently sold at a profit. Have the Green Party costed how much of this tax that they would lose . ?. "
Not to mention the tax on the net unearned income which is most likely to be at 45% and therefore significantly greater than the standard bank withholding tax had the investor kept their money in the bank rather than invest it in a property. |
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Hey I never said we were perfect lol.
You have to look at the issue from a green perspective, you can't just build thousands of new houses because of the environmental issues, so they look to free up as much of the available housing as possible unfortunately for some this would mean muscling out alot of private landlords from the market
And that's where their thinking is a bit muddled. So, to continue my analogy, they 'free up the market' by making me kick out my drug-dependent tenant, and put the house on the market.
But she can't buy it, because she can't get a mortgage. So now she's homeless.
Who buys my house? Some middle class youngster with a deposit from Mum and Dad.
Doesn't sound a very good policy to me, helping the middle classes at the expense of the most vulnerable in society...
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What they do know is when you haven't got much money to spend, and they won't, they have to curtail the flow of money outwards to private landlords.
The green parties problem is deep down they know current capitalism doesn't fit in well with green issues.
By that I mean look at the really big issues facing them.
Climate change
Pollution
Over fishing
The arms trade/ nuclear.
Etc etc.... None of them are even remotely fixable without changing the entire system. And that's the big problem, conveying that message without spooking the electorate.  |
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Hey I never said we were perfect lol.
You have to look at the issue from a green perspective, you can't just build thousands of new houses because of the environmental issues, so they look to free up as much of the available housing as possible unfortunately for some this would mean muscling out alot of private landlords from the market
And that's where their thinking is a bit muddled. So, to continue my analogy, they 'free up the market' by making me kick out my drug-dependent tenant, and put the house on the market.
But she can't buy it, because she can't get a mortgage. So now she's homeless.
Who buys my house? Some middle class youngster with a deposit from Mum and Dad.
Doesn't sound a very good policy to me, helping the middle classes at the expense of the most vulnerable in society...
. We also need to remember that the government receive Capital Gains Tax if the buy to let is subsequently sold at a profit. Have the Green Party costed how much of this tax that they would lose . ?.
Not to mention the tax on the net unearned income which is most likely to be at 45% and therefore significantly greater than the standard bank withholding tax had the investor kept their money in the bank rather than invest it in a property."
. Inheritance tax would also be payable if the landlord were to die suddenly . This is at a rate of 40 % .  |
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Hey I never said we were perfect lol.
You have to look at the issue from a green perspective, you can't just build thousands of new houses because of the environmental issues, so they look to free up as much of the available housing as possible unfortunately for some this would mean muscling out alot of private landlords from the market
And that's where their thinking is a bit muddled. So, to continue my analogy, they 'free up the market' by making me kick out my drug-dependent tenant, and put the house on the market.
But she can't buy it, because she can't get a mortgage. So now she's homeless.
Who buys my house? Some middle class youngster with a deposit from Mum and Dad.
Doesn't sound a very good policy to me, helping the middle classes at the expense of the most vulnerable in society...
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What they do know is when you haven't got much money to spend, and they won't, they have to curtail the flow of money outwards to private landlords.
The green parties problem is deep down they know current capitalism doesn't fit in well with green issues.
By that I mean look at the really big issues facing them.
Climate change
Pollution
Over fishing
The arms trade/ nuclear.
Etc etc.... None of them are even remotely fixable without changing the entire system. And that's the big problem, conveying that message without spooking the electorate. "
Ugh!.... Leave capitalism alone...
It's not perfect, but it's the best way to move the human race forward.
Financing funds companies, they R&D, create advances in technology that change our lives.
This comes through the desire to improve ones lot in life...
Building organisations, employing others, trading accross a nation and internationally.
I'm all for less tax, smaller government and incentives to increase supply side economics...
But alas, most people will vote for a pig if it sports a red or a blue badge...
Or in this case a green one. |
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"Interesting poll...when 50,000 people were surveyed on policies without knowing which policies belonged to which party, the most popular party was...The Greens!
https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/survey/results/XOP7LJNCOD2kuvu5u#/total-results
Just goes to show that people can display some common sense when they have the blinkers forcibly removed."
Not really....
Anyone can write policy based on the hopes, dreams and wishes of small children.
Facts are that the capitalist, fiscally conservative nations of this world are the most successful.
The fall of the Berlin wall was a major catalyst for nations changing their economy.
Here you had two nations with the same culture, people, history, yet once we got a look behind the iron curtain one had 70% less accumulated wealth, compared to the other.
Nearly every nation on the planet saw the benefits of capitalism, but most just didn't realise it's a 0 sum game. |
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"Oh dear....., too late for a change of leader before the election. If you haven't heard her interview on LBC radio today give it a go, quite possibly the worst political interview of all time. Election suicide. "
. Just watched her on the news. How does she propose to acquire the land on which to build all these houses ?. Will they be built by private or public companies and if so has she discussed her plans with them. ? |
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" Just watched her on the news. How does she propose to acquire the land on which to build all these houses ?. Will they be built by private or public companies and if so has she discussed her plans with them. ?"
That bit was where the interviewer was a tad mean. The government owns plenty of land (ex MOD bases etc), and £60k each for mass-produced housing doesn't sound unreasonable.
But no, no private-sector involvement, those evil capitalists would eat their own children. Or at least sell them to someone. |
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" Just watched her on the news. How does she propose to acquire the land on which to build all these houses ?. Will they be built by private or public companies and if so has she discussed her plans with them. ?
That bit was where the interviewer was a tad mean. The government owns plenty of land (ex MOD bases etc), and £60k each for mass-produced housing doesn't sound unreasonable.
But no, no private-sector involvement, those evil capitalists would eat their own children. Or at least sell them to someone."
They are right to focus on the need for social housing, we need a massive program of building. £60k per house might be achievable, but there would also need to be heavy investment in infrastructure to go with the housing. |
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"A public "company" is a misnomer of the highest order."
British Rail was a public company.
So was British Leyland and the National Coal Board. Even Pickfords!
There have been plenty of public companies. Of course, they were all unbelievably wasteful, inefficient and sucked public money from vital services, but, ahhh, those were the days!
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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" Just watched her on the news. How does she propose to acquire the land on which to build all these houses ?. Will they be built by private or public companies and if so has she discussed her plans with them. ?
That bit was where the interviewer was a tad mean. The government owns plenty of land (ex MOD bases etc), and £60k each for mass-produced housing doesn't sound unreasonable.
But no, no private-sector involvement, those evil capitalists would eat their own children. Or at least sell them to someone."
The ex MOD bases tend to be in places where there ain't jobs. |
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The ex MOD bases tend to be in places where there ain't jobs."
Yes, but some aren't, and it was just an example. Besides, you'd be surprised exactly how much the government now owns since they took over the Crown Estates. I bet you could squeeze quite a few social houses on Royal Ascot for example, and that would wind up the toffs too! |
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I vote for the right local politicians not party leader. I get that the Green leader is human and don't think it will affect them. Some parties are all style and no substance - I prefer the opposite. Still an undecided voter atm, until I see manifestos, believe them and rate the local candidate. |
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Lots of muddying the waters, business loans aren't commercial mortgages so the restaurant wouldn't be affected (unless it needs an absolutely huuuuuuuuge cooker), yes cgt is payable but if the btl is being used as a pension then why sell the asset (as you wouldn't be able to purchase an annuity with the profit anyway) when rental income would provide in the same way as an annuity?, it's either one or the other, again inheritance tax is payable but then it's payable on any estate (and if the landlord died before the mortgage was paid off then the value of the estate would be lower anyway), as for Mr DDC's point about not shrinking the housing stock well yes and no, while providing housing the btl explosion has reduced the pool available to buy and this has created a demand for rental stock that has driven rental prices above mortgage prices, so whether in a position to buy or not more tenants are chasing fewer houses, a program of social house building will reduce private rental demand and private rental prices. Now obviously that's not something btl landlords want (nor can afford), some will sell up again reducing private rental demand and helping those renting social housing to buy private housing freeing up mire social housing. As for "why punish landlords" you can apply that to smokers, drivers, beer drinkers, women paying VAT on tampons.
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I don't think it's lightly that she does not know where the money to fund her parties policies will come from...
I think it is a lot more lightly that she does not want to tell us where the money will be raised... |
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If the German Greens are anything to go by that list would be the least of your worries.
I live with the reality of a strong Green party every day and it isn't a pretty sight.
These people are complete crackpots.
Unlike the far right?"
Of course the FAR RIGHT are crackpots but I know what the far right actually is. Unlike most from the left who like to tar anyone slightly to the right of Trotsky with that label.
Yes I am to the right of centre but calling me FAR right is downright dishonest. If you even know the difference of course. |
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Hey I never said we were perfect lol.
You have to look at the issue from a green perspective, you can't just build thousands of new houses because of the environmental issues, so they look to free up as much of the available housing as possible unfortunately for some this would mean muscling out alot of private landlords from the market
And that's where their thinking is a bit muddled. So, to continue my analogy, they 'free up the market' by making me kick out my drug-dependent tenant, and put the house on the market.
But she can't buy it, because she can't get a mortgage. So now she's homeless.
Who buys my house? Some middle class youngster with a deposit from Mum and Dad.
Doesn't sound a very good policy to me, helping the middle classes at the expense of the most vulnerable in society...
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What they do know is when you haven't got much money to spend, and they won't, they have to curtail the flow of money outwards to private landlords.
The green parties problem is deep down they know current capitalism doesn't fit in well with green issues.
By that I mean look at the really big issues facing them.
Climate change
Pollution
Over fishing
The arms trade/ nuclear.
Etc etc.... None of them are even remotely fixable without changing the entire system. And that's the big problem, conveying that message without spooking the electorate.
Ugh!.... Leave capitalism alone...
It's not perfect, but it's the best way to move the human race forward.
Financing funds companies, they R&D, create advances in technology that change our lives.
This comes through the desire to improve ones lot in life...
Building organisations, employing others, trading accross a nation and internationally.
I'm all for less tax, smaller government and incentives to increase supply side economics...
But alas, most people will vote for a pig if it sports a red or a blue badge...
Or in this case a green one."
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Notice how I said the current capitalist system, what your describing is the very old and trusted reliance of an exchange of goods and services.
That is so far removed from the current rabid money generating system, I really wouldn't see the two as similar |
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"I vote for the right local politicians not party leader. I get that the Green leader is human and don't think it will affect them. Some parties are all style and no substance - I prefer the opposite. Still an undecided voter atm, until I see manifestos, believe them and rate the local candidate."
The problem here is there is neither style nor substance! To be so unclear on the details of key policy smacks of incompetence. |
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I think incompetence is a little harsh, there's a media game that's played out and I think we've become so used that anyone who doesn't know the dance steps is left looking like they've two left feet. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"I vote for the right local politicians not party leader. I get that the Green leader is human and don't think it will affect them. Some parties are all style and no substance - I prefer the opposite. Still an undecided voter atm, until I see manifestos, believe them and rate the local candidate.
The problem here is there is neither style nor substance! To be so unclear on the details of key policy smacks of incompetence. "
Or alternatively a momentary lapse, which will be forgotten in a day. |
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"I vote for the right local politicians not party leader. I get that the Green leader is human and don't think it will affect them. Some parties are all style and no substance - I prefer the opposite. Still an undecided voter atm, until I see manifestos, believe them and rate the local candidate.
The problem here is there is neither style nor substance! To be so unclear on the details of key policy smacks of incompetence.
Or alternatively a momentary lapse, which will be forgotten in a day."
Every time I have seen her she has been woeful. When asked how she was going to fund her universal credit scheme...."don't know", how are you going to fund your housing scheme "don't know". I have no problem with some out there policies, but at least have a prepared response when questioned on them, even if it is to day they are going to raise the basic rate of tax to 35%. To be incapable of providing clear replies to pretty basic questions she really does need to think whether she is up to the job of leader for the benefit of her party. |
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To a certain extent I would agree but believe it or not she is a great organiser and well thought of in the party, my criticism is that not enough has been done to familiarize people with the party. The Tories and labour can wheel out any number of faces, the lib Dems can punt with Clegg, Cable, Alexander, possibly Laws, Farage seems to get a free pass as the ukip man for all seasons but other than Caroline Flint or Jenny Jones there is a problem with recognition (which I think for the Greens this election is all about). |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"To a certain extent I would agree but believe it or not she is a great organiser and well thought of in the party, my criticism is that not enough has been done to familiarize people with the party. The Tories and labour can wheel out any number of faces, the lib Dems can punt with Clegg, Cable, Alexander, possibly Laws, Farage seems to get a free pass as the ukip man for all seasons but other than Caroline Flint or Jenny Jones there is a problem with recognition (which I think for the Greens this election is all about)."
Because it's a one mp party.. That mp caroline Lucas gets a lot of the attention and is a lot more media savvy... Natalie isn't and that is where I think she is being found out...
She did well in stand up and be counted because that was her and I think given time people will like her.. But at the moment it feels like we are watching a startled rabbit in the headlights |
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"Their policy on nationalisation of the rail service alone is enough to make me realise they have no clue.
The WI would make a better political party.
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Oh ffs!
Now I have a mental picture of Clegg, Cameron and Prescott doing a nudie calendar...
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"To a certain extent I would agree but believe it or not she is a great organiser and well thought of in the party, my criticism is that not enough has been done to familiarize people with the party. The Tories and labour can wheel out any number of faces, the lib Dems can punt with Clegg, Cable, Alexander, possibly Laws, Farage seems to get a free pass as the ukip man for all seasons but other than Caroline Flint or Jenny Jones there is a problem with recognition (which I think for the Greens this election is all about)."
I wouldn't doubt she has some great qualities, but until she is able to articulate the Green's policies when under pressure, she should maybe make way for someone who can, while staying actively involved in the background. She is doing more harm than good with her public appearances at present. |
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Ugh!.... Leave capitalism alone...
It's not perfect, but it's the best way to move the human race forward.
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Really? The best way?
Do you believe it's sustainable in the long term? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Ugh!.... Leave capitalism alone...
It's not perfect, but it's the best way to move the human race forward.
Really? The best way?
Do you believe it's sustainable in the long term? "
it has done ok for the last 2000 years |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"I vote for the right local politicians not party leader. I get that the Green leader is human and don't think it will affect them. Some parties are all style and no substance - I prefer the opposite. Still an undecided voter atm, until I see manifestos, believe them and rate the local candidate.
The problem here is there is neither style nor substance! To be so unclear on the details of key policy smacks of incompetence.
Or alternatively a momentary lapse, which will be forgotten in a day."
She will be gone very soon in my opinion. |
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Just found the interview on utube. Nick Ferrari did a very good job. Ms Bennett ended up a gibbering wreck. Unfortunately, it really was not difficult to do. I can't see her lasting as the party leader for long. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Their policy on nationalisation of the rail service alone is enough to make me realise they have no clue.
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Actually have no problem with this as the private sector made a pigs ear of the East coast main line... Yet when it becomes state operated it turns in a huge profit...
If the great western franchise and cross county franchise are handed back and the East Coast sale is stopped then long distance service will in effect be nationalised anyway |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"Their policy on nationalisation of the rail service alone is enough to make me realise they have no clue.
The WI would make a better political party.
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Well, the WI would indeed make a better political party than any group of politicians we've had in the last forty years or so, so it's an odd choice of criticism.
And of course, the Green's transport policy is spot on.
Welcome back, nationalisation. |
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over a year ago
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"Their policy on nationalisation of the rail service alone is enough to make me realise they have no clue.
The WI would make a better political party.
Well, the WI would indeed make a better political party than any group of politicians we've had in the last forty years or so, so it's an odd choice of criticism.
And of course, the Green's transport policy is spot on.
Welcome back, nationalisation. "
Nationalisation can never work in this country because of the political structure. Investment into infrastructure would simply not take place when the sitting government has vast amounts of money sloshing around.
Maybe you are too young to remember just how bad the trains were back in the day. The East Coast rail line will earn a profit when the government is spending nothing on it and if it stayed in public ownership nothing ever would get spent on it. |
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By *abioMan
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Maybe you are too young to remember just how bad the trains were back in the day. The East Coast rail line will earn a profit when the government is spending nothing on it and if it stayed in public ownership nothing ever would get spent on it."
As someone who worked for East Coast I think this is something I may actually know about....
The private sector didn't really spend much on it either.... Which is why it was given back twice.... And DOR (Direct Operated Railways) have done a fantastic job turning it around which is why the question have been asked why give it away again... |
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Ugh!.... Leave capitalism alone...
It's not perfect, but it's the best way to move the human race forward.
Really? The best way?
Do you believe it's sustainable in the long term?
it has done ok for the last 2000 years"
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For a self confessed business genius, you don't half get things confused, the basic premise of an exchange of goods and services inside a free market and capitalism are two completely different things. |
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Ugh!.... Leave capitalism alone...
It's not perfect, but it's the best way to move the human race forward.
Really? The best way?
Do you believe it's sustainable in the long term?
it has done ok for the last 2000 years"
So has fundamental Christian doctrine, doesn't mean it's the best way for the long term.
Do you believe current capitalist models are sustainable in the long term? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Maybe you are too young to remember just how bad the trains were back in the day. The East Coast rail line will earn a profit when the government is spending nothing on it and if it stayed in public ownership nothing ever would get spent on it.
As someone who worked for East Coast I think this is something I may actually know about....
The private sector didn't really spend much on it either.... Which is why it was given back twice.... And DOR (Direct Operated Railways) have done a fantastic job turning it around which is why the question have been asked why give it away again... "
But it is not "given away" is it? Operators pay a franchise fee and the govt get that money without the state having to involve itself in running the business. That seems a far cleaner way for the govt to collect money rather than employing people and being responsible for the running of the business. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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But it is not "given away" is it? Operators pay a franchise fee and the govt get that money without the state having to involve itself in running the business. That seems a far cleaner way for the govt to collect money rather than employing people and being responsible for the running of the business."
Again you are aware that they made more money doing it themselves thru DOR than they had gotten in any franchise fee so far.... |
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Ugh!.... Leave capitalism alone...
It's not perfect, but it's the best way to move the human race forward.
Really? The best way?
Do you believe it's sustainable in the long term?
it has done ok for the last 2000 years
So has fundamental Christian doctrine, doesn't mean it's the best way for the long term.
Do you believe current capitalist models are sustainable in the long term? "
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That's why they dropped the bretton woods standard in the 70s.
It held back exponential growth.
The current fiat currency allows for continuous growth as in reality it's just 1&0 in a column and is the reason we're in the mess we're in currently.
Personally I think the problem of bringing people around to the need for a change of system is so big that it will have to wait till the current system collapses... Which is obviously the worse thing to do as it will leave a void for years of utter turmoil. |
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By *oo hotCouple
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But it is not "given away" is it? Operators pay a franchise fee and the govt get that money without the state having to involve itself in running the business. That seems a far cleaner way for the govt to collect money rather than employing people and being responsible for the running of the business.
Again you are aware that they made more money doing it themselves thru DOR than they had gotten in any franchise fee so far...."
Yes - BUT
1) The franchise fee is cold hard cash with none of the responsibilities of employment, unions etc etc. Ask yourself a question - if someone said to you that they would give a million quid with no responsibility or if you took on the responsibility of building a company, employing thousands of people and taking risks you might earn more - or you might lose even the million quid - what would you choose?
2) Wait until the government would have to choose as to where infrastructure investment would be spent... It did not happen in the past with Nationalised industries because the governments had other pet projects to spend the money on and it will not happen in the future... I can see the Daily Mirror Headline already
"Tory Government chooses to spend money on SE Trains whilst patients are dying in the wards on Northern hospitals" |
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But it is not "given away" is it? Operators pay a franchise fee and the govt get that money without the state having to involve itself in running the business. That seems a far cleaner way for the govt to collect money rather than employing people and being responsible for the running of the business.
Again you are aware that they made more money doing it themselves thru DOR than they had gotten in any franchise fee so far....
Yes - BUT
1) The franchise fee is cold hard cash with none of the responsibilities of employment, unions etc etc. Ask yourself a question - if someone said to you that they would give a million quid with no responsibility or if you took on the responsibility of building a company, employing thousands of people and taking risks you might earn more - or you might lose even the million quid - what would you choose?
2) Wait until the government would have to choose as to where infrastructure investment would be spent... It did not happen in the past with Nationalised industries because the governments had other pet projects to spend the money on and it will not happen in the future... I can see the Daily Mirror Headline already
"Tory Government chooses to spend money on SE Trains whilst patients are dying in the wards on Northern hospitals""
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The Tories cut infrastructure by 45% ... The first thing they did as it made the deficit look better. |
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By *oo hotCouple
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Ugh!.... Leave capitalism alone...
It's not perfect, but it's the best way to move the human race forward.
Really? The best way?
Do you believe it's sustainable in the long term?
it has done ok for the last 2000 years
So has fundamental Christian doctrine, doesn't mean it's the best way for the long term.
Do you believe current capitalist models are sustainable in the long term? "
Yes because it is a fundamental principle of human nature. There is always someone hungrier and greedier stalking in the wings. That could be another person, another company or indeed another country.
Global socialism is a good idea, as is open borders and a true freedom of movement of people. Unfortunately the people who inhabit this world are not like that and therefore competition will always have to drive us forward.
The alternative is to unilaterally lie down and die which is what the Green Party want. Their manifesto intention through the citizens wage is to make paid work less important. That work will then go elsewhere to a hungrier and greedier economy. The planet wont be saved - the jobs will just go elsewhere. |
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Well that's the swing vote gone.
Just listened to the cringe inducing rubbish.
Rule number 1 Know and believe in your product! Epic fail!
Rule number 2 Know the numbers Epic fail!!!!!
Green Party apologists now saying it was an ambush driven by sexism! Good job it wasn't Paxman doing the interview. |
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"I can see the Daily Mirror headline already:
"Green Party wants everybody to lie down and die, spouts ill-informed Fabswinger." "
I think Ms Bennett wanted to lie down and die. |
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Ugh!.... Leave capitalism alone...
It's not perfect, but it's the best way to move the human race forward.
Really? The best way?
Do you believe it's sustainable in the long term?
it has done ok for the last 2000 years
So has fundamental Christian doctrine, doesn't mean it's the best way for the long term.
Do you believe current capitalist models are sustainable in the long term? .
That's why they dropped the bretton woods standard in the 70s.
It held back exponential growth.
The current fiat currency allows for continuous growth as in reality it's just 1&0 in a column and is the reason we're in the mess we're in currently.
Personally I think the problem of bringing people around to the need for a change of system is so big that it will have to wait till the current system collapses... Which is obviously the worse thing to do as it will leave a void for years of utter turmoil."
Anyone who genuinely understands the reality of how our current system is built and functions must appreciate it's fragility.
There are those who choose to bury their head in the sand, those who are ignorant to the threats or those who don't believe them.
Change in the long term is in my opinion inevitable, whether triggered by economic, resource or climate. I hope a 'system collapse' isn't the catalyst, but it probably will be. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Green Party apologists now saying it was an ambush driven by sexism! Good job it wasn't Paxman doing the interview. "
She did one with newsnight.... It wasn't good
She did one with Andrew Neil.... It wasn't good
She just isn't good in these types of interviews... Don't know why, she just isn't as media savvy... All the other leaders have had a lot more experience
Saying all that I still like a lot of their policies and am tempted to vote their way... I don't know if I can bring myself to vote lib dem or labour |
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Green Party apologists now saying it was an ambush driven by sexism! Good job it wasn't Paxman doing the interview.
She did one with newsnight.... It wasn't good
She did one with Andrew Neil.... It wasn't good
She just isn't good in these types of interviews... Don't know why, she just isn't as media savvy... All the other leaders have had a lot more experience
Saying all that I still like a lot of their policies and am tempted to vote their way... I don't know if I can bring myself to vote lib dem or labour "
The options available are the least attractive in years. The inmates are already in charge of the asylum and it's now a simple case of swapping one set for another.
Wish there was a common sense party. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Green Party apologists now saying it was an ambush driven by sexism! Good job it wasn't Paxman doing the interview.
She did one with newsnight.... It wasn't good
She did one with Andrew Neil.... It wasn't good
She just isn't good in these types of interviews... Don't know why, she just isn't as media savvy... All the other leaders have had a lot more experience
Saying all that I still like a lot of their policies and am tempted to vote their way... I don't know if I can bring myself to vote lib dem or labour "
I've worked with a couple of guys who have done media training work with party leaders, I might send her their number! When you look at people like Bob Crow (RIP) and how he handled the press you can see how effective a good leader with a bit of training can be. |
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"The environmental stuff is just a smokescreen. The Greens are just the hard Left with its wellies on. Always have been right across Europe.
Look at what she said - it could have come from the SWP. Zero immigration controls. Don't make it illegal to join ISIS or al-Qaeda. And my favourite, disband the British Army and replace it with a "home defence force".
So, vote Green and get true open door immigration, legalised jihadism, and the return of Dad's Army. Fucking hell.
Who do you think you're kidding Mzzzzz Bennett?
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Spot on mate. Apperently Brighton is in disaray where they have an MP because of theiur potty rules |
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