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Can porn empower women?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"That's going to be the Woman's Hour debate.
What do you think?
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In todays climate - I think highly unlikely.
In the future? Anything is possible if we see a major culture shift. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Don't see why not"
Except for the fact that almost all (commercial) pornography involving women portrays them as sex objects that exist only for male pleasure? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Don't see why not
Except for the fact that almost all (commercial) pornography involving women portrays them as sex objects that exist only for male pleasure?"
not sure about that, there are so many different types of porn if you look you should be able to find something you like. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Buyers market, if it bothers you, why don't you produce some better quality porn?"
Because I don't have the estimated £20k behind me in order to fund the start up costs of a commercial porn site.
Or that was the figure a friend of mine (who owns a highly successful chain of porn websites) estimated.
Also I'm not sure how best to challenge these problems of objectification. That's one of the things I study and explore with my own photography. I don't have all the answers, but I'm attempting to figure out what the questions are. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Porn can empower women if they keep the cameras rolling after the shoot has finished and show the girls getting paid 3 to 5 times what the studs get.  "
The downside is, of course, that generally men get more and more valued in their careers as they get older.
A woman in porn isn't comparable. She get's paid some cash, but soon she'll find herself marked as 'undesirable' by the male viewers and then she's got to find work in a world that treats her as a leper because she did porn... being naked on the internet potentially damages every other job you go for from that moment forward, because as much as our society likes to watch a slut in porn, we don't want them as one of our employees or coworkers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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One of my favourite sites is meninpain.com it's under the kink umbrella that I'm subscribed to. You can watch some if their stuff for free though on the PORNMD site |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Porn can empower women if they keep the cameras rolling after the shoot has finished and show the girls getting paid 3 to 5 times what the studs get. "
That's a shit argument, the male performers clearly aren't empowered by porn either. It's the producers etc who make the money out of it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Its up to women to write, direct, produce and distribute THEIR porn. Nobody is going to do it for them, least of all the porn barons around nowadays. Many of them have links to the criminal underworld, as hardcore porn was illegal and attracted the criminals. The same as drug dealing had and alcohol did during prohibition. They won't take kindly to anyone, let alone women muscling in. Porn legislation is seeing more and more subject matter being driven back underground, playing into the hands of the gangsters. But its not an intractable problem. Stop the criminalising of porn, it becomes less difficult to enter into the business of making it. Women can do it, they just have to want to. Nobody stopped Anne Summers from creating a business based around sex. I hear the refrain time and again, " nobody is making for women". Well go out there and do it! |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"In what sense? Watching or being in porn? "
This is the question! 
From a 'watching' point of view there's no reason it can't help women explore, learn and enable them to decide and set their own boundaries and interests in terms of sex. Look at the whole '50 Shades' situation - whether you like the books or not it opened up an aspect of sex to the masses, many of whom were women and in a way made porn (the books can be classified as such) more mass market.
In terms of being in porn? I guess some women would say yes - some no. Those that have made a successful career out of participating in the industry would probably say there's been an element of empowerment. But for every one of them there'll be those that have felt exploited and used.
It's a tricky one. I don't think there's a right answer tbh.
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Why would it empower anyone. It should be entertainment that's it.
Empower yourself male or female.
If you are waiting for someone else to empower you. That is handing over power to others to make choices for you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its up to women to write, direct, produce and distribute THEIR porn. Nobody is going to do it for them, least of all the porn barons around nowadays. Many of them have links to the criminal underworld, as hardcore porn was illegal and attracted the criminals. The same as drug dealing had and alcohol did during prohibition. They won't take kindly to anyone, let alone women muscling in. Porn legislation is seeing more and more subject matter being driven back underground, playing into the hands of the gangsters. But its not an intractable problem. Stop the criminalising of porn, it becomes less difficult to enter into the business of making it. Women can do it, they just have to want to. Nobody stopped Anne Summers from creating a business based around sex. I hear the refrain time and again, " nobody is making for women". Well go out there and do it!"
Ann Summers is in fact a man. And he sold the company to another man. So at the moment Ann Summers is an old jewish bloke. Although I think his daughter is running the business now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My post got removed,I mentioned a few female porn directors"
Just because someone is a woman doesn't make their input to society empowering for women. One of the main photographers for the Sun always used to be a woman, and there are women politicians who would would see things like access to contraception and reproductive health restricted... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its up to women to write, direct, produce and distribute THEIR porn. Nobody is going to do it for them, least of all the porn barons around nowadays. Many of them have links to the criminal underworld, as hardcore porn was illegal and attracted the criminals. The same as drug dealing had and alcohol did during prohibition. They won't take kindly to anyone, let alone women muscling in. Porn legislation is seeing more and more subject matter being driven back underground, playing into the hands of the gangsters. But its not an intractable problem. Stop the criminalising of porn, it becomes less difficult to enter into the business of making it. Women can do it, they just have to want to. Nobody stopped Anne Summers from creating a business based around sex. I hear the refrain time and again, " nobody is making for women". Well go out there and do it!
Ann Summers is in fact a man. And he sold the company to another man. So at the moment Ann Summers is an old jewish bloke. Although I think his daughter is running the business now. "
Ann Summers owns West Ham |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Porn can empower women if they keep the cameras rolling after the shoot has finished and show the girls getting paid 3 to 5 times what the studs get.
The downside is, of course, that generally men get more and more valued in their careers as they get older.
A woman in porn isn't comparable. She get's paid some cash, but soon she'll find herself marked as 'undesirable' by the male viewers and then she's got to find work in a world that treats her as a leper because she did porn... being naked on the internet potentially damages every other job you go for from that moment forward, because as much as our society likes to watch a slut in porn, we don't want them as one of our employees or coworkers."
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By (user no longer on site)
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I've never been too keen on any aspect of the sex industry, and after doing extensive reading about it for my dissertation, I think on the whole, it's not empowering. It's a joke (but it's true) that British boarding school boys get their education on female anatomy from porn films...  I don't think the kind of porn that young boys will be watching is representative of all women...
Having said that, Christos and I were watching an amateur foursome porn the other day, not for sexual arousal, and I quite liked the way it had been done. It looked like the four of them were good mates, and were just filming themselves having sex,for no commercial gain it would seem. The people shown there were not plastic and fake, not hung studs and slutty blondes. I liked that there was fair representation.
I know a porn director in London and he works with the typical stars... but he has a theme, and likes to make his work more artistic than some others... his most famous one is Inglourious Bitches that I recommend having a look at, he's called Max Candy. He's not so much about the objectification, though it being 'mainstream' porn, that is an underlying theme.
On the whole I steer away from porn, preferring to read erotica to get me off.
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By (user no longer on site)
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As porn stands just now no! It's mostly very brutal hard fucking or a few dominate woman being basically nasty bitches none of that is positive for women it just makes men seek more aggressive sex or women think they need to be sexually accepting mad frenzied sex as part of the norm
Real women porn doesn't sell its very gentle beautiful sex and made in beautiful settings ie very expensive so the male market doesn't want it
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"As porn stands just now no! It's mostly very brutal hard fucking or a few dominate woman being basically nasty bitches none of that is positive for women it just makes men seek more aggressive sex or women think they need to be sexually accepting mad frenzied sex as part of the norm
Real women porn doesn't sell its very gentle beautiful sex and made in beautiful settings ie very expensive so the male market doesn't want it
 sexist?
Lol
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By (user no longer on site)
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Thankfully now, due to the t'interweb, more and more real amateur stuff is available. And people are starting to watch more of it.
The idea of watching someone like Ben Dover, to me, is laughable. There are some professional porn stars I like to see in action, but they tend to be in the kinkier side of things. BDSM etc has had some great stuff made with women directing.
I have found myself ignoring professional porn in favour of real homemade stuff, you get people performing who you know are getting off on making it, and you don't have to listen with the sound off to cut out the terrible dialogue. And they are not constantly spitting on each other. Why the fuck did directors decide that was a good idea? |
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"Plenty of women making a good profit using social media to advertise their product. Certainly didn't cost them £20k to start up"
But the point being made isn't about starting a single successful buisness but a change in the entire industry. The 'buyers market' doesn't change overnight with a new 'product'. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its up to women to write, direct, produce and distribute THEIR porn. Nobody is going to do it for them, least of all the porn barons around nowadays. Many of them have links to the criminal underworld, as hardcore porn was illegal and attracted the criminals. The same as drug dealing had and alcohol did during prohibition. They won't take kindly to anyone, let alone women muscling in. Porn legislation is seeing more and more subject matter being driven back underground, playing into the hands of the gangsters. But its not an intractable problem. Stop the criminalising of porn, it becomes less difficult to enter into the business of making it. Women can do it, they just have to want to. Nobody stopped Anne Summers from creating a business based around sex. I hear the refrain time and again, " nobody is making for women". Well go out there and do it!
Ann Summers is in fact a man. And he sold the company to another man. So at the moment Ann Summers is an old jewish bloke. Although I think his daughter is running the business now. "
And by his daughter running it, its become a lot more female friendly. There is a massive market for female friendly porn. It just takes a woman with balls ( as it were) to take advantage of it. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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I don't watch much porn so I don't feel qualified to comment.
I can see several potential angles though, some positive and some negative.
I don't know enough about it to see more than possible answers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't watch much porn so I don't feel qualified to comment.
I can see several potential angles though, some positive and some negative.
I don't know enough about it to see more than possible answers."
Well, I could set you some homework. A couple of classic and more modern examples, for you to look at, then write me a dissertation (on scented paper and in green ink!).  |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"I don't watch much porn so I don't feel qualified to comment.
I can see several potential angles though, some positive and some negative.
I don't know enough about it to see more than possible answers.
Well, I could set you some homework. A couple of classic and more modern examples, for you to look at, then write me a dissertation (on scented paper and in green ink!). "
I'll stick with the coursework I have thanks  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I spend at lot of time in a swingers club and they have all kinds of porn on a constant stream n tbh i now find myself checkin out kitchens bathrooms n bedding i rather like or lookin for spots on bums weird shaped willies n sometimes quite scary but hilarious lookin lady loulou's to amuse myself.
Saying that I do and always have enjoyed watching porn in its many forms with partners as a background to play and i do agree with an earlier comment that some porn is just about hard fukin n at times brutal n ouchy lookin anal sex thats im my sex life isnt really representative of sex in real relationship n yes i do feel some men do now expect porn star performances from women as a result of watching that kind of porn.
What i can say is i have played on cam on fab and another site with my mistress and partners many times and have always thoroughly enjoyed myself as have my partners and from comments on site n in inboxes so have viewers n although i am unsure empowerment is the word i would use i have felt good about myself both during and after  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Has anyone checked out the make love not porn site in beta at the moment?
The concept is that real people having real life sex can upload their own video and pay a fiver to do so, if you want to rent a video for 3 weeks it costs a fiver, and half the revenue from your video rental goes back to you in a profit sharing model. Interesting, as they are trying to create a social media style platform for real life sex, to show the normal, giggling, fun, messy sex that real people have rather than the 'gold standard' porn out there that rarely shows putting a condom on for example. I think this could be empowering for both men and women. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Has anyone checked out the make love not porn site in beta at the moment?
The concept is that real people having real life sex can upload their own video and pay a fiver to do so, if you want to rent a video for 3 weeks it costs a fiver, and half the revenue from your video rental goes back to you in a profit sharing model. Interesting, as they are trying to create a social media style platform for real life sex, to show the normal, giggling, fun, messy sex that real people have rather than the 'gold standard' porn out there that rarely shows putting a condom on for example. I think this could be empowering for both men and women."
Tell Woman's Hour about this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Plenty of women making a good profit using social media to advertise their product. Certainly didn't cost them £20k to start up
But the point being made isn't about starting a single successful buisness but a change in the entire industry. The 'buyers market' doesn't change overnight with a new 'product'."
that wasn't the point I was answering |
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"Plenty of women making a good profit using social media to advertise their product. Certainly didn't cost them £20k to start up
But the point being made isn't about starting a single successful buisness but a change in the entire industry. The 'buyers market' doesn't change overnight with a new 'product'.that wasn't the point I was answering"
Yes it was, and you refer to the 'buyers market ' yourself. The point was made about the industry by wasp, and you responded in terms of the industry. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Plenty of women making a good profit using social media to advertise their product. Certainly didn't cost them £20k to start up"
It costs alot of money to start a porn site. You have to pay for web development, for security costs, for merchant costs, then you have to buy equipment, hire premises, hire staff, hire models, pay advertising, hold insurance, put money aside for taxes, pay an accountant etc. And of course you have to have a decent catalogue when you launch your site - so you have to have made lots of content before you even go live.
It's an expensive business. No longer is it the preserve of some guy in his spare bedroom filming a couple of naked chicks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Porn can empower women if they keep the cameras rolling after the shoot has finished and show the girls getting paid 3 to 5 times what the studs get.
The downside is, of course, that generally men get more and more valued in their careers as they get older.
A woman in porn isn't comparable. She get's paid some cash, but soon she'll find herself marked as 'undesirable' by the male viewers and then she's got to find work in a world that treats her as a leper because she did porn... being naked on the internet potentially damages every other job you go for from that moment forward, because as much as our society likes to watch a slut in porn, we don't want them as one of our employees or coworkers.
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Very true unfortunately! Society still has double standards for men and women - part of the reason, perhaps, for the lack single fems on fab - as we know we'll be pariahs if we're 'outed'!
I find watching porn empowering - it was the start of the journey that led me to fab and swinging - but never in a million years would I 'star' in porn or knowingly allow sexual images of me to be loaded onto the internet! As a middle class, middle aged single woman, society expects me to stay at home and wait for my mr right to come knocking - not swing or do porn!! |
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