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" along with them seem to be flying there bomber planes where ever the hell they want (near bournemouth)," Christchurch per chance? | |||
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"I don't know too much about it but I wouldn't trust Putin as far as I could throw him. His fleet of planes, warships and subs are ageing and falling into disrepair so in reality I don't think they are much of a threat unless they went nuclear. Also the country would soon fall apart when the rest of the world cut them off and used sanctions to choke them into backing down. " How can you say you don't know much about it but then assume that their military gear is aging? | |||
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"Putin is a major concern. He is clearly trying to undo all the wonderful work that Gorbachev and Yeltsin did." . Ask a Russian what they think of the Yeltsin era!. | |||
"I don't know too much about it but I wouldn't trust Putin as far as I could throw him. His fleet of planes, warships and subs are ageing and falling into disrepair so in reality I don't think they are much of a threat unless they went nuclear. Also the country would soon fall apart when the rest of the world cut them off and used sanctions to choke them into backing down. How can you say you don't know much about it but then assume that their military gear is aging? " some of there military my be aging but they do have some bad ass new stuff to the the Russian Chinese and north Korea there all in a pack just waiting for the right time then BANG SHIT HITS THE FAN WORLD WAR 3 it will happen one day instead of cutting are armed forces we should be making it bigger and better close the borders and put tye great back in great Britain well thats view | |||
"I don't know too much about it but I wouldn't trust Putin as far as I could throw him. His fleet of planes, warships and subs are ageing and falling into disrepair so in reality I don't think they are much of a threat unless they went nuclear. Also the country would soon fall apart when the rest of the world cut them off and used sanctions to choke them into backing down. How can you say you don't know much about it but then assume that their military gear is aging? " I didn't assume anything, they do have an ageing fleet, that's a fact not an assumption  | |||
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"Russia is the largest producers of resources in the world. It's entire income comes from selling resources, it's why there currently being hit hard by oil prices, but trust me if they turn that gas tap off in the Ukraine pipe line system, it will be Europe coming begging to them in a month, not the other way round" I suppose neither can afford to lose the other, they need the money, everyone else needs their resources | |||
"Russia is the largest producers of resources in the world. It's entire income comes from selling resources, it's why there currently being hit hard by oil prices, but trust me if they turn that gas tap off in the Ukraine pipe line system, it will be Europe coming begging to them in a month, not the other way round" I was just going to say this. I'm not concerned by their nuclear arsenal or their military. Russia's bargaining chip is the gas pipeline and EU knows it. The EU's hands are tied and hence why we are only threatening with sanctions. The last time a country seized land in another country we went to war and we were constantly told it wasn't for oil. | |||
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"Russia is the largest producers of resources in the world. It's entire income comes from selling resources, it's why there currently being hit hard by oil prices, but trust me if they turn that gas tap off in the Ukraine pipe line system, it will be Europe coming begging to them in a month, not the other way round I suppose neither can afford to lose the other, they need the money, everyone else needs their resources " . Yep it's more like mutually assured money making in this case, there arguing over who makes what % cha ching. The poor old Lithuanians and Ukrainians are just the pawns on a big chess board. | |||
"Its all abt the money!!!" Yeah When you don't know what is it about it's always about the money | |||
"I don't know too much about it but I wouldn't trust Putin as far as I could throw him. His fleet of planes, warships and subs are ageing and falling into disrepair so in reality I don't think they are much of a threat unless they went nuclear. Also the country would soon fall apart when the rest of the world cut them off and used sanctions to choke them into backing down. How can you say you don't know much about it but then assume that their military gear is aging? I didn't assume anything, they do have an ageing fleet, that's a fact not an assumption "very ture they like a wounded lion you wouldn't want to meet them at night | |||
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"Its all abt the money!!! Yeah When you don't know what is it about it's always about the money" Or oil. That's usually a good fallback option for when people can't be bothered to find out any facts about. A situation. | |||
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"Its all abt the money!!! Yeah When you don't know what is it about it's always about the money Or oil. That's usually a good fallback option for when people can't be bothered to find out any facts about. A situation. " . Oil is money like all resources, but more importantly, it's power. Resources come in many forms, China has lots of cheap labour and no democracy (that's there resource). Russia has lots of minerals, gold iron, uranium, oil, coal.(that's there resource). Now the west want to get their hands on these resources and China and Russia know that fact, they will do all they can to keep them for themselves and we will do all we can to secure them for our own means. Life for any empire has always been a power struggle. Nothing's really changed in 2000 years. | |||
"Its all abt the money!!! Yeah When you don't know what is it about it's always about the money Or oil. That's usually a good fallback option for when people can't be bothered to find out any facts about. A situation. " It's a material world sweetheart. Don't look into it too much. You can gather all the facts you want. At the end You gonna come to conclusion - it's all about money | |||
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"Russia is sabre rattling at the moment due to the situation in Lithuania. They are making big point flying so close to our air space, their point being don't even think about getting involved. " What is the situation in Lithuania? | |||
"Putin is a major concern. He is clearly trying to undo all the wonderful work that Gorbachev and Yeltsin did.. Ask a Russian what they think of the Yeltsin era!." Sitting here waiting for the question to be asked. | |||
"Russia is sabre rattling at the moment due to the situation in Lithuania. They are making big point flying so close to our air space, their point being don't even think about getting involved. What is the situation in Lithuania?" . Not alot Lithuania is a bit worried they might be next on the list for Russian expansion. There's a little tiny enclave of Russia trapped by Lithuania, Poland and Belarus. | |||
"The Russians very much admire Putin and the fact that he is supporting the ethnic Russians who were moved in the Kruschov era and who are now being treated as second class citizens in their newly adopted independent countries. Add to this a war weary Europe and a lame US President - it is no surprise that Putin feels invincible at the moment. Wait until the next US Presidential election and if we get a Republican a President you will probably look back with fondness at the days when Putin was shaking his cock at the world. " this.. another Bush in the White House.. emulation of Pa and big brother maybe.. not good.. | |||
"Russia is sabre rattling at the moment due to the situation in Lithuania. They are making big point flying so close to our air space, their point being don't even think about getting involved. " Putin won't do anything to any NATO countries, he's just playing mind games with these fly-bys close to our air space. As for the situation in Ukraine, (who are not in NATO) all we can do is carry on with sanctions against russia, if Putin wants a little war with Ukraine let him get on with it (whos to say many russians on the Ukraine/russian border would prefer to be part of russia anyway?). The EU is partly to blame for starting all of this, they encouraged the outing/coup of the pro russian leader in Ukraine, all those people in Kiev waving their little EU flags about, and supported the appointment of a pro EU leader. Ukraine to join the EU, so is it the EU who are trying to land grab more territory in Ukraine which they will seek to control from Brussels? | |||
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"Aren't the UK investing another few billion into trident? Personally if ither countries have nuclear weapons I know I want this country to have them too. All this stuff with Russai scares me if I'm honest, having to escort their planes out of our airspace and all that business! I don't like it!" we and they have been doing similar things since the beginning of the cold war, its part of the game .. they and us rarely enter each others air space but will test reactions both militarily and political response wise.. | |||
"Aren't the UK investing another few billion into trident? Personally if ither countries have nuclear weapons I know I want this country to have them too. All this stuff with Russai scares me if I'm honest, having to escort their planes out of our airspace and all that business! I don't like it!" Yes and if the SNP had won the Scottish referendum, and had their way, Scotland would now be scrapping trident and be nuclear free. | |||
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"Aren't the UK investing another few billion into trident? Personally if ither countries have nuclear weapons I know I want this country to have them too. All this stuff with Russai scares me if I'm honest, having to escort their planes out of our airspace and all that business! I don't like it!" . Yep another 50 billion in a weapon that assures us of our own death. It's a bargain!. I bet Putin is over there shaking in his boots already. Ahhh no wait a minute, he's one of the wealthiest people in the world with a lovely house in the south of France... All the actions of a man desperate for ww3 and mutual destruction | |||
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"Well with the number of choices Putin is now seemingly having to face internationally, economically, domestic, politically, militarily - not least to save his own self interests ... he'll be under a lot of pressure. I am hopeful he'll bow to change, if not, be forced to bow sooner rather than later. There are also reports of militant ISIS groups knocking on Russian doors too - which will be a toughy. " . They tried it Chechen the Russians dealt with it in slightly different way than the west  .
I don't think his options are limited, I think it's our options that are limited.
I mean if it means that much to Cameron and Obama why not take sanctions seriously and stop all exports/imports.... Yeah guess not | |||
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"we can't enter into another cold war. That is why we are taking the high road with gradual and escalated sanctions. I didn't realise this until a week or so ago either as I was of the same mind: why don't we, we we are so pissed off simply go in with all guns and cut them off dry. But, by a gradual escalation, giving each group of sanctions and policies time to hit and have impact, the seed is planted, our steadfast plan is cemented and the next group with date is given should he not adjust his course. The next group of sanction is in a month (cant remember the date) I agree though - I thought take them down quick and fast. But, that would have been a poke for poke, that would have been a who pulls the trigger first. By tying off his economy first, It is an anti war theme - and indirect way of crippling any moves he next has. It is quite a clever route as it removes us from any direct military manoeuvres - although yes, a lot of Ukrainian lives have been lost, though now, there is the good potential for a Russian revolt ?" . It's the age old land/resource grab. The west so it all the time only through monetary ways. I'll give you the quick jist of how it works. You've got a small country say in Africa who's got some mineral you want cheap/ controlling. You send in the CIA/mi6 who fund to opposing sides to build up escalation, you wait to find out who's gonna win, then back him install him as a dictator, where you bribe your way into the country, you then fall out with him just as the dictator has ruined the local economy and install an imf bail out, where you lend the next dictator loads of dosh while also bribing him for access to resources... When your finished with him you call in your imf debt and send in the economic hitmen.... They completely strip the country of any intrinsic wealth, local services, hospital buildings, power systems, nautral resources, these all get tendered out to private companies that the western politician retires to on a nice fat wage. The Russians did it another way, they gave the Ukraine billions in gas that the Ukrainians couldn't pay for, then hit them with the bill... Can't pay OK no problem but we're taking control of pipelines and gas fields in the east, then the EU decide to get in on the deal by lending billions of euros to the Ukraine... Now Russia and the EU are battling it out to who carves up the Ukraine the best?. Do I want a British soldier dying to defend a rich British guy with an interest in exploiting some Ukrainian. No Do I want to spend a shit load of money bigging up our defences to fight a supposedly aggressive Russia. No Do I wish some fucker would just leave the Ukraine and all the other countries alone to get on with their own problems. Yes I won't hold my breath though | |||
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"All they have to do is turn off the gas supply to Europe,or price it so high it wrecks economies strugling already. If the West had not annex Russsian peoples non of this mess would have happened. If you remember we strangled Germany and Hitler came along.The West tries to strangle Russia and luckily Putin is no angel but also no Hitler." . Turn the gas off!!... It's the unthinkable for both sides. What your seeing is the very last few years of available resources being grabbed quickly. You know what really pisses me off is people who call the green party kooks and oddballs for pointing out the bleeding obvious that consumption and growth can't go on forever without causing problems. Yet in the last few days I've seen on these forums that people genuinely believe we can just build nuclear plants or oil will last a hundred years, we'll just find more, we'll use coal, climate change is bollocks, we'll frack, we'll print money.... It worries me that people can be so blind to the problem... Growth! | |||
