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"Anyone going to watch ? I suspect it will be full Ukip Bashing by lefty producers !"
I think ukip are perfectly able to show their incompetence without tv staff doing anything.
Lightweights and charlatans springs to mind. More of the same old politicians, nothing new, opportunists, no depth of thought and using any loophole to shore their finances up from public funds - whilst doing very little. Misdirection, hot air, funded by multimillionaires, no one can seriously think the country wouldn't be up shit creek even further with ukip trying to steer anything.
We need heavyweight political journalists and honest politicians - we're getting more of the same old tripe dressed up, this time the swivel eyed monster raving clap trap one horse pony type.
Something new in politics hasn't arrived yet but I look forward to the time it does. |
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over a year ago
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Oh no, a fictional documentary set in the near future after a UKIP election victory. Put the fire brigade on stand by, some people are going to be incandescent with indignation...   |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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it did make me laugh that the programme in question already had 20 complaints to ofcom before it had even been screened...
the daily mail "cut out and post" complaint letter down pat now...... |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"it did make me laugh that the programme in question already had 20 complaints to ofcom before it had even been screened...
the daily mail "cut out and post" complaint letter down pat now......"
I didn't know about the complaints prior to it being shown. It's outside of the window for clampdowns on political influence.
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Is anyone concerned that their job may be at risk, should the swivel eyed bunchkip ever do well?
I wonder if they'll try and recycle their old manifesto, the one that suddenly vanished? Or maybe it will be the daily heil letters, as others say, that'll be copied and pasted.
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"Oh no, a fictional documentary set in the near future after a UKIP election victory. Put the fire brigade on stand by, some people are going to be incandescent with indignation... "
why..?
its a piece of fiction.. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"The more they are attacked, the more I can see their support grow."
If that was a universal rule. Lib Dems would get in with a landslide.
I have never quite worked out why Farage, who isn't even a MP, let alone democratically elected to anything, gets so much TV coverage. |
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"The more they are attacked, the more I can see their support grow.
I have to agree with you.
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I agree, and their self-serving biases will shield them from anything that, however solidly evidenced, clear and unambiguous as good as proves that ukip are a total waste of space and money. |
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"The more they are attacked, the more I can see their support grow.
I have to agree with you.
I agree, and their self-serving biases will shield them from anything that, however solidly evidenced, clear and unambiguous as good as proves that ukip are a total waste of space and money."
Such as? |
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"Oh no, a fictional documentary set in the near future after a UKIP election victory. Put the fire brigade on stand by, some people are going to be incandescent with indignation...
why..?
its a piece of fiction.."
Yep. I just doubt that some will see it that way. I'll be very happy to be wrong. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"You'd have thought that after so many attempts to be elected a Westminster mp and failing every time Farage would take the hint."
What happens if he isn't returned in his selected safe seat?
I'm sure Carswell will be returned but I'm watching Reckless to see if he can hold the seat.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's interesting that UKIP voted against the introduction of a special committee to investigate tax evasion wthin the EU earlier today. Staying true to their multi-millionaire banker former tory roots. (though credit where it's due at least they actually turned up to vote) |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"It's interesting that UKIP voted against the introduction of a special committee to investigate tax evasion wthin the EU earlier today. Staying true to their multi-millionaire banker former tory roots. (though credit where it's due at least they actually turned up to vote)"
Turning up to vote is positive progress! Turning up and doing their jobs, for which they receive a salary and expenses from taxes.
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To be fair I think UKIP should take it as a compliment.
Lib/Lab/Con are shitting their pants so much they have to get their tame M/Puppets at Channel Four to do the usual smear campaign.
Farage as PM? Nah will never happen. Farage as a leading light on the opposition benches? Yeah, bring it on.
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"The more they are attacked, the more I can see their support grow.
I have to agree with you.
I agree, and their self-serving biases will shield them from anything that, however solidly evidenced, clear and unambiguous as good as proves that ukip are a total waste of space and money.
Such as?"
I'm an undecided voter atm, not falling into the camp of ukip (or any party) supporter. Humans have self-serving biases that are incredibly difficult for most of us to see or overcome (I think you probably grasped that anyway). I'm the same, I'll be blinded to the bleeding obvious at times, even if it's staring me in the face. I think any influence against ukip support will reinforce it - that's my gut instinct, and even if there was unequivocal evidence that voting locally for a different MP would be a better option, it would be something that would be resisted, almost at any cost. |
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"It's interesting that UKIP voted against the introduction of a special committee to investigate tax evasion wthin the EU earlier today. Staying true to their multi-millionaire banker former tory roots. (though credit where it's due at least they actually turned up to vote)
Turning up to vote is positive progress! Turning up and doing their jobs, for which they receive a salary and expenses from taxes.
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There is a glorious clip on facebook (cant find it on youtube to share) called Farage's Fishy Business where he is called out on his record of non-attendance. The EU see him for the hypocrite he is. |
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"The more they are attacked, the more I can see their support grow.
I have to agree with you.
I agree, and their self-serving biases will shield them from anything that, however solidly evidenced, clear and unambiguous as good as proves that ukip are a total waste of space and money.
Such as?
I'm an undecided voter atm, not falling into the camp of ukip (or any party) supporter. Humans have self-serving biases that are incredibly difficult for most of us to see or overcome (I think you probably grasped that anyway). I'm the same, I'll be blinded to the bleeding obvious at times, even if it's staring me in the face. I think any influence against ukip support will reinforce it - that's my gut instinct, and even if there was unequivocal evidence that voting locally for a different MP would be a better option, it would be something that would be resisted, almost at any cost."
Ok. I see. |
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"To be fair I think UKIP should take it as a compliment.
Lib/Lab/Con are shitting their pants so much they have to get their tame M/Puppets at Channel Four to do the usual smear campaign.
Farage as PM? Nah will never happen. Farage as a leading light on the opposition benches? Yeah, bring it on.
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Ihave never seen such a programme full of pathetic ill informrd ignorant bias.
It is criminal that this was allowed on to our screens.
It was made by ignorant pricks who should be shot"
That's a very reasoned response to a fictional drama.  |
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"Ihave never seen such a programme full of pathetic ill informrd ignorant bias.
It is criminal that this was allowed on to our screens.
It was made by ignorant pricks who should be shot"
thought it was very clever the way they got the real ukip people on camera etc to act like bigots though..
almost couldn't make that sort of stuff up could you.. |
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"Ihave never seen such a programme full of pathetic ill informrd ignorant bias.
It is criminal that this was allowed on to our screens.
It was made by ignorant pricks who should be shot
That's a very reasoned response to a fictional drama. "
Have we accidentally joined the 50 shades criticism thread? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Ihave never seen such a programme full of pathetic ill informrd ignorant bias.
It is criminal that this was allowed on to our screens.
It was made by ignorant pricks who should be shot
That's a very reasoned response to a fictional drama. "
That was not drama it was stupid rubbish,badly done with no factual base.My respone was done the same way the programme was made. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Ihave never seen such a programme full of pathetic ill informrd ignorant bias.
It is criminal that this was allowed on to our screens.
It was made by ignorant pricks who should be shot
That's a very reasoned response to a fictional drama. That was not drama it was stupid rubbish,badly done with no factual base.My respone was done the same way the programme was made."
And shooting people is your response.
I've seen much worse dramas. As a FICTIONAL drama there is no requirement for it to be based on any facts. If it was based on fact it would be called a documentary.
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"Ihave never seen such a programme full of pathetic ill informrd ignorant bias.
It is criminal that this was allowed on to our screens.
It was made by ignorant pricks who should be shot
That's a very reasoned response to a fictional drama. That was not drama it was stupid rubbish,badly done with no factual base.My respone was done the same way the programme was made."
Strangely enough, fiction doesn't need to have a factual base. |
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Is this a drama .....or satire? I am absolutely pissing myself laughing at this........it is sadly poorly scripted and with some very local am-dram performances to boot.
Indignant folks will forget about it by tomorrow. |
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The factual bits were the clips of actual (& former) UKIP members outing themselves as bigots and idiots weren't they? That Bloom chap for starters..
See UKIP are now showing less than the Greens in two polls currently. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Ihave never seen such a programme full of pathetic ill informrd ignorant bias.
It is criminal that this was allowed on to our screens.
It was made by ignorant pricks who should be shot"
That's commercial TV for you!  |
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"Ihave never seen such a programme full of pathetic ill informrd ignorant bias.
It is criminal that this was allowed on to our screens.
It was made by ignorant pricks who should be shot
That's a very reasoned response to a fictional drama. That was not drama it was stupid rubbish,badly done with no factual base.My respone was done the same way the programme was made.
And shooting people is your response.
I've seen much worse dramas. As a FICTIONAL drama there is no requirement for it to be based on any facts. If it was based on fact it would be called a documentary.
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Thank you for that is shooting people right ? |
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It did raise some important points to consider though and the glaring absence of a detailed manifesto that's credible does leave me with grave concern.
The fact that their elected public servants do almost (possibly even) the least out of any European representatives in government suggests that they're as self-serving as the vast lot of politicians that they're supposed to be different from. They're as selfish, immoral and ego driven as the long line of of politicians since the days of Tory sleaze, that's not limited to any one party imo - I see no differences whatsoever.
Any Europeans, without British rights (under UKIP) to reside here, but do currently, members on Fab? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Ihave never seen such a programme full of pathetic ill informrd ignorant bias.
It is criminal that this was allowed on to our screens.
It was made by ignorant pricks who should be shot"
I don't know about that... have you seen the latest series of "citizen khan"..... |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Ihave never seen such a programme full of pathetic ill informrd ignorant bias.
It is criminal that this was allowed on to our screens.
It was made by ignorant pricks who should be shot"
Oh dear. |
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There were some very worrying subliminal messages hidden in that program I think.
I picked up on one quite unsubtle but extremely disturbing one: The Israeli flag being held up by the ultra right wing counter demonstrators calling the anti racism demonstrators communists.
I wonder how many I missed as I just popped in and out of the program...
I am seriously thinking about making a complaint to Ofcom. |
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I imagine a few ukippers came in their pants, seeing a mock-up of a Farage Prime Minister, albeit a predictable cock up.
Will Europeans living here just break their rental and service contracts etc when forced to leave? How will this affect UK businesses?
Will our mobile phone roaming tariffs in Europe increase back to what they were before the EU forced all operators to cut them to pennies? What other stuff will cost more under ukip? |
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"The more they are attacked, the more I can see their support grow.
If that was a universal rule. Lib Dems would get in with a landslide.
I have never quite worked out why Farage, who isn't even a MP, let alone democratically elected to anything, gets so much TV coverage."
Could it be because UKIP won the european elections last year, beating Lib/Lab/Con (and the greens, lol)....and that Farage beat Clegg hands down in the televised EU debates. |
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"I imagine a few ukippers came in their pants, seeing a mock-up of a Farage Prime Minister, albeit a predictable cock up.
Will Europeans living here just break their rental and service contracts etc when forced to leave? How will this affect UK businesses?
Will our mobile phone roaming tariffs in Europe increase back to what they were before the EU forced all operators to cut them to pennies? What other stuff will cost more under ukip?"
I actually forgot this programme was on ( i was watching the FA Cup ), but i managed to catch the last 45 mins of it on Channel 4 plus 1. Thought the programme was complete and utter drivel, more the kind of hatchet job type of crap the BBC usually come out with when it comes to UKIP (Panorama springs to mind). Still guess it goes to show how worried the establishment must be to put this anti UKIP propoganda out, but have to say i'm suprised at channel 4 thought better of them than that. |
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While we wait for the cassette boy remix (surely only a matter of time) here's one of them with a ukip candidate in the shed
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eA6Lk78ZHXY&feature=youtu.be |
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"Ihave never seen such a programme full of pathetic ill informrd ignorant bias.
It is criminal that this was allowed on to our screens.
It was made by ignorant pricks who should be shot"
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Ihave never seen such a programme full of pathetic ill informrd ignorant bias.
It is criminal that this was allowed on to our screens.
It was made by ignorant pricks who should be shot
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why am i really not surprised you'd give a thumbs up to someone who is advocating shooting a person for a fictional piece...... 
I'm guessing you'd thumbs up the people who still want salman rushdie killed for writing "the satanic verses"
oooh.... maybe all of the people who wanting the person killed and islamic fundamentalists do have something in common after all........ oh the irony!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ihave never seen such a programme full of pathetic ill informrd ignorant bias.
It is criminal that this was allowed on to our screens.
It was made by ignorant pricks who should be shot
why am i really not surprised you'd give a thumbs up to someone who is advocating shooting a person for a fictional piece......
I'm guessing you'd thumbs up the people who still want salman rushdie killed for writing "the satanic verses"
oooh.... maybe all of the people who wanting the person killed and islamic fundamentalists do have something in common after all........ oh the irony!!!"
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I read an article in the telegraph and guardian before watching. Both papers highlighted the programme was based on the ukip manifesto.
Granted, it was fictional and dramatised for tv, there are some chilling truths behind the programme. I would also imagine a huge exodus to avoid what happened to the minorities in Germany when the nazi party were elected to power...
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"There were some very worrying subliminal messages hidden in that program I think.
I picked up on one quite unsubtle but extremely disturbing one: The Israeli flag being held up by the ultra right wing counter demonstrators calling the anti racism demonstrators communists.
I wonder how many I missed as I just popped in and out of the program...
I am seriously thinking about making a complaint to Ofcom."
EDL supporters regularly carry Israeli flags at demonstrations. |
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Cheer up Doreen, 2100hrs tonight ch4 are broadcasting The Romanians Are Coming, should leave you and the other little Englanders moistening at the title alone |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Look up Breitbart Londons website and Directors tax avoidance scam.  "
yeah.... no one "reasonable" has trusted a breitbart webside since the ACORN scandal of 2009... when they had to admit to making stuff up
oh.... and the shirley sherod scandal of 2010.... when they had to admit to not only making stuff up.... but not releasing a video in its entirity even though they had it because it didnt suit the story they were pushing..... they got sued for that one....
oh.... and the "friends of hamas" scandal in 2013..... totally made that one up... and refused to admit that for a while as well...
but... since breitbart is your reading material of choice.... that actually explains a few things..... |
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"I read an article in the telegraph and guardian before watching. Both papers highlighted the programme was based on the ukip manifesto.
Granted, it was fictional and dramatised for tv, there are some chilling truths behind the programme. I would also imagine a huge exodus to avoid what happened to the minorities in Germany when the nazi party were elected to power...
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The Telegraph and the Guardian have never been biased against UKIP before have they? |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Ihave never seen such a programme full of pathetic ill informrd ignorant bias.
It is criminal that this was allowed on to our screens.
It was made by ignorant pricks who should be shot"
didnt know they were re running benefits street |
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"We're they being biased against ukip because they said a TV programme is based on their manifesto? That seems a fairly harmless statement."
maybe its seen as bias by some supporters of ukip for footage of actual ukip members even prospective members of Parliament to be shown in their true light..?
playing the victims..
blaming the messenger for highlighting their own faults is commonplace with the political parties.. |
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"We're they being biased against ukip because they said a TV programme is based on their manifesto? That seems a fairly harmless statement.
maybe its seen as bias by some supporters of ukip for footage of actual ukip members even prospective members of Parliament to be shown in their true light..?
playing the victims..
blaming the messenger for highlighting their own faults is commonplace with the political parties.. "
You mean in the same way the Labour party, its supporters and all the lefties complain about the Daily Mail being biased against them?
Are they "playing the victim" as you call it?
Blaming the messenger for highlighting their faults?
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"We're they being biased against ukip because they said a TV programme is based on their manifesto? That seems a fairly harmless statement.
maybe its seen as bias by some supporters of ukip for footage of actual ukip members even prospective members of Parliament to be shown in their true light..?
playing the victims..
blaming the messenger for highlighting their own faults is commonplace with the political parties..
You mean in the same way the Labour party, its supporters and all the lefties complain about the Daily Mail being biased against them?
Are they "playing the victim" as you call it?
Blaming the messenger for highlighting their faults?
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They did state 'political parties', not in the singular. I think all of the major parties follow this trick.
It was a partly satirical programme and not a factual documentary, so anyone expecting something that wouldn't have some bias or underlying message would be sorely disappointed.
Ukip and other parties that don't have manifestos, or have removed them from public scrutiny are likely to get pointed doubts raised about their plans and their understanding of what it takes to run a whole country, rather than balancing their ambition on a potentially to be viewed as racist agenda fronted by a renta gob, with various homophobic etc swivel eyed fanaticals in the background. |
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It seemed a fairly neutral statement in the telegraph and guardian about the ukip manifesto. Not one with any political bias so i couldn't see why you'd make that comment.
If you didn't like the way the drama was presented perhaps you could suggest how ukip policies will work. Do you think they'll resort to mass arrests and deportations for example? What will happen to joint European projects? How will they handle dissent and unrest in the streets?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I read an article in the telegraph and guardian before watching. Both papers highlighted the programme was based on the ukip manifesto.
Granted, it was fictional and dramatised for tv, there are some chilling truths behind the programme. I would also imagine a huge exodus to avoid what happened to the minorities in Germany when the nazi party were elected to power...
H"
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Lol ohh yeah Nigel the new Adolf,
FFS there's not one comparison to ukip and the Nazi party.
Adolf was a tee total, vegetarian, non smoker, ex con, ex service man with a passion for painting and imperialism.... It's hardly farage is it.
Ukip want to end federalism, the Nazis loved it, they want to shrink government, the Nazis increased it, the Nazis wanted to expand its boundaries, ukip want to shrink them, the Nazis were born from the socialist movement, ukip from the right.
The only thing they have in common is they both hate unions.. But then again so do the Tories and the lib dems and labour aren't exactly falling over themselves giving away union rights.
If you want to make comparisons I would say the rise of the Nazis proved you can't wallpaper over your original mistakes forever, without in the end having to deal with the consequences, and that goes for the rise of ukip too. |
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"We're they being biased against ukip because they said a TV programme is based on their manifesto? That seems a fairly harmless statement.
maybe its seen as bias by some supporters of ukip for footage of actual ukip members even prospective members of Parliament to be shown in their true light..?
playing the victims..
blaming the messenger for highlighting their own faults is commonplace with the political parties..
You mean in the same way the Labour party, its supporters and all the lefties complain about the Daily Mail being biased against them?
Are they "playing the victim" as you call it?
Blaming the messenger for highlighting their faults?
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By (user no longer on site)
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Is there any common ground in mindless nationalism or blaming foreigners and minorities for what's going wrong with the country? Any manipulation of the truth for propaganda purposes? |
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I don't get the connection between migration contol and nazisim. Didn't the nazi's expand their borders, not merely seek to have a tighter control of them? i'm confused, is australia a nazi state, as they have quite strict border controls  |
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"I don't get the connection between migration contol and nazisim. Didn't the nazi's expand their borders, not merely seek to have a tighter control of them? i'm confused, is australia a nazi state, as they have quite strict border controls
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I'm confused too. I don't think anyone has mentioned migration controls yet. |
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"We're they being biased against ukip because they said a TV programme is based on their manifesto? That seems a fairly harmless statement.
maybe its seen as bias by some supporters of ukip for footage of actual ukip members even prospective members of Parliament to be shown in their true light..?
playing the victims..
blaming the messenger for highlighting their own faults is commonplace with the political parties..
You mean in the same way the Labour party, its supporters and all the lefties complain about the Daily Mail being biased against them?
Are they "playing the victim" as you call it?
Blaming the messenger for highlighting their faults?
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not quite the same but to a point it is inevitable as its also happened to the bigger parties in the past and will do so again..
you clearly misread my sentence ''blaming the,,,''
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"I don't get the connection between migration contol and nazisim. Didn't the nazi's expand their borders, not merely seek to have a tighter control of them? i'm confused, is australia a nazi state, as they have quite strict border controls
I'm confused too. I don't think anyone has mentioned migration controls yet. "
odd, that was pretty much the basis of the whole program |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Cheer up Doreen, 2100hrs tonight ch4 are broadcasting The Romanians Are Coming, should leave you and the other little Englanders moistening at the title alone"
You might enjoy that, I don't actualy waste my time watching television, you find out more looking at the internet.
you should try it. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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You might enjoy that, I don't actualy waste my time watching television, you find out more looking at the internet.
you should try it."
.... hmmmmmm........ so does that mean all this time you have been commenting on a programme you didn't even watch last night...... |
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"I don't actualy waste my time watching television, you find out more looking at the internet.
you should try it."
Yes, the internet is far more accurate and balanced. No loons on there whatsoever! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"I don't actualy waste my time watching television, you find out more looking at the internet.
you should try it.
Yes, the internet is far more accurate and balanced. No loons on there whatsoever!"
well we know she reads breitbart.... so no nuts there..... thats like the equilivant of those people who watch fox news (obviously she wont get that.... she doesn't watch tv!! )
the say a little knowledge can be dangerous in the hands of the wrong people....
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"Cheer up Doreen, 2100hrs tonight ch4 are broadcasting The Romanians Are Coming, should leave you and the other little Englanders moistening at the title alone
You might enjoy that, I don't actualy waste my time watching television, you find out more looking at the internet.
you should try it."
You don't watch TV? Strange I recall you bemoaning the Nick Cotton was leaving Eastenders only a few days ago |
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"thats like the equilivant of those people who watch fox news (obviously she wont get that.... she doesn't watch tv!! )
the say a little knowledge can be dangerous in the hands of the wrong people....
well............. "
There was an academic study that found that people who only watched Fox News were actually less informed not just than people who only got their news from other sources but less informed than people who watched no news, such was the level of misinformation. |
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"I don't get the connection between migration contol and nazisim. Didn't the nazi's expand their borders, not merely seek to have a tighter control of them? i'm confused, is australia a nazi state, as they have quite strict border controls
I'm confused too. I don't think anyone has mentioned migration controls yet.
odd, that was pretty much the basis of the whole program"
So you didn't see the piece where the ethnic minorities were being targeted, random searches, and arrests all under the guise of migration control... |
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Yes i did, still don't see the connection. the program was sensationalist conjecture at best, when ukip form their own police force (calling themselves the red, white and blue shirts or some such) and start hounding folk before they reach office, then i may be inclined to worry at a comparison |
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"I don't actualy waste my time watching television, you find out more looking at the internet.
you should try it.
Yes, the internet is far more accurate and balanced. No loons on there whatsoever!
well we know she reads breitbart.... so no nuts there..... thats like the equilivant of those people who watch fox news (obviously she wont get that.... she doesn't watch tv!! )
the say a little knowledge can be dangerous in the hands of the wrong people....
well............. "
I read lots of things, what do you read then. |
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"I don't get the connection between migration contol and nazisim. Didn't the nazi's expand their borders, not merely seek to have a tighter control of them? i'm confused, is australia a nazi state, as they have quite strict border controls
I'm confused too. I don't think anyone has mentioned migration controls yet.
odd, that was pretty much the basis of the whole program
So you didn't see the piece where the ethnic minorities were being targeted, random searches, and arrests all under the guise of migration control..."
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It's a tough call between actually trying to detain illegal immigrants and stopping people for the hell of it. |
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"Cheer up Doreen, 2100hrs tonight ch4 are broadcasting The Romanians Are Coming, should leave you and the other little Englanders moistening at the title alone
You might enjoy that, I don't actualy waste my time watching television, you find out more looking at the internet.
you should try it.
You don't watch TV? Strange I recall you bemoaning the Nick Cotton was leaving Eastenders only a few days ago "
that's all I do watch, is that ok with you. |
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"Yes i did, still don't see the connection. the program was sensationalist conjecture at best, when ukip form their own police force (calling themselves the red, white and blue shirts or some such) and start hounding folk before they reach office, then i may be inclined to worry at a comparison "
saying that, the resemblance between the sturmabteilung and the EDL is striking .... and no-one can deny that the EDL has close links with UKIP .... that in itself is worrying |
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"What links?
...... Kim Gandy, Alan Thackeray, Tommy Robinson, Maggie Chapman etc etc etc"
You mean the same Tommy Robinson who left the EDL to join the muslim organisation called Quilliam and who did several press conferences alongside muslims united against extremism. |
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"What links?
...... Kim Gandy, Alan Thackeray, Tommy Robinson, Maggie Chapman etc etc etc
You mean the same Tommy Robinson who left the EDL to join the muslim organisation called Quilliam and who did several press conferences alongside muslims united against extremism. "
yes .... so what is your point?
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"What links?
...... Kim Gandy, Alan Thackeray, Tommy Robinson, Maggie Chapman etc etc etc
You mean the same Tommy Robinson who left the EDL to join the muslim organisation called Quilliam and who did several press conferences alongside muslims united against extremism.
yes .... so what is your point?
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That he is no longer a member of the EDL which you claimed he is. |
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"What links?
...... Kim Gandy, Alan Thackeray, Tommy Robinson, Maggie Chapman etc etc etc
You mean the same Tommy Robinson who left the EDL to join the muslim organisation called Quilliam and who did several press conferences alongside muslims united against extremism.
yes .... so what is your point?
That he is no longer a member of the EDL which you claimed he is. "
i haven't claimed he is a member .... try again
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"I literally dont care what their policies are - they will get us out of the fascist state in waiting that is the EU"
If anyone has expansionist ideas (like the nazis) then it is the EU. Its just a matter of time before the EU becomes the United states of Europe. Seeking to take away the individual sovereignty of european nations and centralise power in Brussels, and bit by bit they will destroy democracy in europe. Its already happening. |
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...... Kim Gandy, Alan Thackeray, Tommy Robinson, Maggie Chapman etc etc etc
You mean the same Tommy Robinson who left the EDL to join the muslim organisation called Quilliam and who did several press conferences alongside muslims united against extremism.
yes .... so what is your point?
That he is no longer a member of the EDL which you claimed he is.
i haven't claimed he is a member .... try again
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When asked for links between UKIP and the EDL you gave his name, if he is not a member then why did you name him? |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
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"I literally dont care what their policies are - they will get us out of the fascist state in waiting that is the EU"
There is a lot to be said about the EU, but I don't think anyone could sensibly claim it is a fascist state in waiting. |
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"I literally dont care what their policies are - they will get us out of the fascist state in waiting that is the EU
There is a lot to be said about the EU, but I don't think anyone could sensibly claim it is a fascist state in waiting. "
Look more closely - we have diluted democracy, centralisation of power - immense corruption, silencing of critics - seriously I'm not going to say to you "I'm right you're wrong" - but please at least take a closer look |
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"What links?
...... Kim Gandy, Alan Thackeray, Tommy Robinson, Maggie Chapman etc etc etc
You mean the same Tommy Robinson who left the EDL to join the muslim organisation called Quilliam and who did several press conferences alongside muslims united against extremism.
yes .... so what is your point?
That he is no longer a member of the EDL which you claimed he is.
i haven't claimed he is a member .... try again
When asked for links between UKIP and the EDL you gave his name, if he is not a member then why did you name him? "
There are very strong links between the EDL and UKIP.
But only in the minds of rabid left wing activists and conspiracy theorist nutters. |
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"What links?
...... Kim Gandy, Alan Thackeray, Tommy Robinson, Maggie Chapman etc etc etc
You mean the same Tommy Robinson who left the EDL to join the muslim organisation called Quilliam and who did several press conferences alongside muslims united against extremism.
yes .... so what is your point?
That he is no longer a member of the EDL which you claimed he is.
i haven't claimed he is a member .... try again
When asked for links between UKIP and the EDL you gave his name, if he is not a member then why did you name him?
There are very strong links between the EDL and UKIP.
But only in the minds of rabid left wing activists and conspiracy theorist nutters."
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"You don't think the Right, the Far Right, the racists and the fascists are using UKIP's more popular appeal with those just fed up with the Westminster elite crowd to further their own agendas?
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No. |
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"I literally dont care what their policies are - they will get us out of the fascist state in waiting that is the EU
There is a lot to be said about the EU, but I don't think anyone could sensibly claim it is a fascist state in waiting.
Look more closely - we have diluted democracy, centralisation of power - immense corruption, silencing of critics - seriously I'm not going to say to you "I'm right you're wrong" - but please at least take a closer look"
You forgot repeated referendums in Ireland when they gave answers in referendums not to the EU's liking. When they EU did finally get the answer they were looking for from the Irish in god knows how many referendums then guess what?......no more referendums needed, lol, that is the EU's version of democracy for you. |
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"I literally dont care what their policies are - they will get us out of the fascist state in waiting that is the EU
There is a lot to be said about the EU, but I don't think anyone could sensibly claim it is a fascist state in waiting.
Look more closely - we have diluted democracy, centralisation of power - immense corruption, silencing of critics - seriously I'm not going to say to you "I'm right you're wrong" - but please at least take a closer look"
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I couldn't agree with you more.
In fact if you look at Europe as a whole, nearly every country has dabbled with fascism and at least half have a long history of if.
Greece, Spain, Germany, France, Italy, Hungary, Holland...
And despite my own misgivings over it all my biggest problem with the EU is..... It's just one long endless fucking load of bollocks that has only corporatism at its heart, the very act of the free movement of people is just pretentious bollocks to make the electorate think it's something that's wonderful, when in fact it's just another imperialist raping of another countries resources, only this time it's humans there nicking cheap instead of gas or oil! |
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"What do you think about the ECHR?"
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If you have an agenda, your furthering it. That's a fact of life that applies to anything or any movement!.
The ECHR is just another court to replace the court we already had, only this time we have no direct control over it. |
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"What do you think about the ECHR?"
The European Court of Human rights is not much more than a criminals charter, which criminals hide behind like a perverted shield. How many criminals and terrorsits in europe have played the "right to a family life here" card when facing prosecution? |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"What do you think about the ECHR?
The European Court of Human rights is not much more than a criminals charter, which criminals hide behind like a perverted shield. How many criminals and terrorsits in europe have played the "right to a family life here" card when facing prosecution? "
Don't know...how many? |
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"I literally dont care what their policies are - they will get us out of the fascist state in waiting that is the EU
There is a lot to be said about the EU, but I don't think anyone could sensibly claim it is a fascist state in waiting.
Look more closely - we have diluted democracy, centralisation of power - immense corruption, silencing of critics - seriously I'm not going to say to you "I'm right you're wrong" - but please at least take a closer look
You forgot repeated referendums in Ireland when they gave answers in referendums not to the EU's liking. When they EU did finally get the answer they were looking for from the Irish in god knows how many referendums then guess what?......no more referendums needed, lol, that is the EU's version of democracy for you. "
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By *abioMan
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"What do you think about the ECHR?
The European Court of Human rights is not much more than a criminals charter, which criminals hide behind like a perverted shield. How many criminals and terrorsits in europe have played the "right to a family life here" card when facing prosecution? "
you do know that British law actually mimick 99.7% of European Convention...
and the reason that certain terrorist were not extridited was because of British law, that they cannot be extridited to a country where they could face the death penalty.... |
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...... Kim Gandy, Alan Thackeray, Tommy Robinson, Maggie Chapman etc etc etc
You mean the same Tommy Robinson who left the EDL to join the muslim organisation called Quilliam and who did several press conferences alongside muslims united against extremism.
yes .... so what is your point?
That he is no longer a member of the EDL which you claimed he is.
i haven't claimed he is a member .... try again
When asked for links between UKIP and the EDL you gave his name, if he is not a member then why did you name him?
There are very strong links between the EDL and UKIP.
But only in the minds of rabid left wing activists and conspiracy theorist nutters."
there are no links between the edl and ukip. but only in the minds of scummy ultra right wing extremists and xenophobic filth. |
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"I literally dont care what their policies are - they will get us out of the fascist state in waiting that is the EU
There is a lot to be said about the EU, but I don't think anyone could sensibly claim it is a fascist state in waiting.
Look more closely - we have diluted democracy, centralisation of power - immense corruption, silencing of critics - seriously I'm not going to say to you "I'm right you're wrong" - but please at least take a closer look
You forgot repeated referendums in Ireland when they gave answers in referendums not to the EU's liking. When they EU did finally get the answer they were looking for from the Irish in god knows how many referendums then guess what?......no more referendums needed, lol, that is the EU's version of democracy for you. "
Once again the truth is different to the UKIP  allegation. These are the referendum votes on the EU that I've been able to find since 1973:
Enlargement of 1973: 83.1% in favour (10 May 1972)
Single European Act: 69.9% in favour (26 May 1987).
Maastricht Treaty: 68.7% in favour (18 June 1992)
Treaty of Amsterdam: 61.74% in favour (22 May 1998)
Treaty of Nice: 53.9% rejected (2001)
Treaty of Nice: 62.9% in favour (2002)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 53.2% against (12 June 2008)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 67.1% in favour (2 Oct 2009)
Fiscal Compact referendum: Ireland , 60.3% in favour (31 May 2012)
That's 9 Irish referenda, 7 in favour of EU measures and 2 against. The two which were against particular EU measures were voted in later by large majorities because the Irish government re-negotiated.
That's about 2/3 of the Irish people (who voted) saying yes each time. They probably don't want UKIP to keep poking its nose in their politics and trying to use them to prove something which is blatantly untrue..
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There is a lot to be said about the EU, but I don't think anyone could sensibly claim it is a fascist state in waiting.
Look more closely - we have diluted democracy, centralisation of power - immense corruption, silencing of critics - seriously I'm not going to say to you "I'm right you're wrong" - but please at least take a closer look
You forgot repeated referendums in Ireland when they gave answers in referendums not to the EU's liking. When they EU did finally get the answer they were looking for from the Irish in god knows how many referendums then guess what?......no more referendums needed, lol, that is the EU's version of democracy for you.
Once again the truth is different to the UKIP allegation. These are the referendum votes on the EU that I've been able to find since 1973:
Enlargement of 1973: 83.1% in favour (10 May 1972)
Single European Act: 69.9% in favour (26 May 1987).
Maastricht Treaty: 68.7% in favour (18 June 1992)
Treaty of Amsterdam: 61.74% in favour (22 May 1998)
Treaty of Nice: 53.9% rejected (2001)
Treaty of Nice: 62.9% in favour (2002)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 53.2% against (12 June 2008)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 67.1% in favour (2 Oct 2009)
Fiscal Compact referendum: Ireland , 60.3% in favour (31 May 2012)
That's 9 Irish referenda, 7 in favour of EU measures and 2 against. The two which were against particular EU measures were voted in later by large majorities because the Irish government re-negotiated.
That's about 2/3 of the Irish people (who voted) saying yes each time. They probably don't want UKIP to keep poking its nose in their politics and trying to use them to prove something which is blatantly untrue..
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So according to your own figures the treaty of Nice was rejected in 2001, but that did'nt fit in with the EU's agenda so then they had another referendum the year after in 2002 to get the result they wanted.
The referendum in Ireland was rejected in 2008 but the EU did'nt like that answer so they had another referendum a year later in 2009 to get the result they wanted. Thanks for proving my point. |
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"I literally dont care what their policies are - they will get us out of the fascist state in waiting that is the EU
There is a lot to be said about the EU, but I don't think anyone could sensibly claim it is a fascist state in waiting.
Look more closely - we have diluted democracy, centralisation of power - immense corruption, silencing of critics - seriously I'm not going to say to you "I'm right you're wrong" - but please at least take a closer look
You forgot repeated referendums in Ireland when they gave answers in referendums not to the EU's liking. When they EU did finally get the answer they were looking for from the Irish in god knows how many referendums then guess what?......no more referendums needed, lol, that is the EU's version of democracy for you.
Once again the truth is different to the UKIP allegation. These are the referendum votes on the EU that I've been able to find since 1973:
Enlargement of 1973: 83.1% in favour (10 May 1972)
Single European Act: 69.9% in favour (26 May 1987).
Maastricht Treaty: 68.7% in favour (18 June 1992)
Treaty of Amsterdam: 61.74% in favour (22 May 1998)
Treaty of Nice: 53.9% rejected (2001)
Treaty of Nice: 62.9% in favour (2002)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 53.2% against (12 June 2008)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 67.1% in favour (2 Oct 2009)
Fiscal Compact referendum: Ireland , 60.3% in favour (31 May 2012)
That's 9 Irish referenda, 7 in favour of EU measures and 2 against. The two which were against particular EU measures were voted in later by large majorities because the Irish government re-negotiated.
That's about 2/3 of the Irish people (who voted) saying yes each time. They probably don't want UKIP to keep poking its nose in their politics and trying to use them to prove something which is blatantly untrue..
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2/3 of the voters.
Not 2/3 of the population |
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"I literally dont care what their policies are - they will get us out of the fascist state in waiting that is the EU
There is a lot to be said about the EU, but I don't think anyone could sensibly claim it is a fascist state in waiting.
Look more closely - we have diluted democracy, centralisation of power - immense corruption, silencing of critics - seriously I'm not going to say to you "I'm right you're wrong" - but please at least take a closer look
You forgot repeated referendums in Ireland when they gave answers in referendums not to the EU's liking. When they EU did finally get the answer they were looking for from the Irish in god knows how many referendums then guess what?......no more referendums needed, lol, that is the EU's version of democracy for you.
Once again the truth is different to the UKIP allegation. These are the referendum votes on the EU that I've been able to find since 1973:
Enlargement of 1973: 83.1% in favour (10 May 1972)
Single European Act: 69.9% in favour (26 May 1987).
Maastricht Treaty: 68.7% in favour (18 June 1992)
Treaty of Amsterdam: 61.74% in favour (22 May 1998)
Treaty of Nice: 53.9% rejected (2001)
Treaty of Nice: 62.9% in favour (2002)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 53.2% against (12 June 2008)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 67.1% in favour (2 Oct 2009)
Fiscal Compact referendum: Ireland , 60.3% in favour (31 May 2012)
That's 9 Irish referenda, 7 in favour of EU measures and 2 against. The two which were against particular EU measures were voted in later by large majorities because the Irish government re-negotiated.
That's about 2/3 of the Irish people (who voted) saying yes each time. They probably don't want UKIP to keep poking its nose in their politics and trying to use them to prove something which is blatantly untrue..
So according to your own figures the treaty of Nice was rejected in 2001, but that did'nt fit in with the EU's agenda so then they had another referendum the year after in 2002 to get the result they wanted.
The referendum in Ireland was rejected in 2008 but the EU did'nt like that answer so they had another referendum a year later in 2009 to get the result they wanted. Thanks for proving my point. "
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"I literally dont care what their policies are - they will get us out of the fascist state in waiting that is the EU
There is a lot to be said about the EU, but I don't think anyone could sensibly claim it is a fascist state in waiting.
Look more closely - we have diluted democracy, centralisation of power - immense corruption, silencing of critics - seriously I'm not going to say to you "I'm right you're wrong" - but please at least take a closer look
You forgot repeated referendums in Ireland when they gave answers in referendums not to the EU's liking. When they EU did finally get the answer they were looking for from the Irish in god knows how many referendums then guess what?......no more referendums needed, lol, that is the EU's version of democracy for you.
Once again the truth is different to the UKIP allegation. These are the referendum votes on the EU that I've been able to find since 1973:
Enlargement of 1973: 83.1% in favour (10 May 1972)
Single European Act: 69.9% in favour (26 May 1987).
Maastricht Treaty: 68.7% in favour (18 June 1992)
Treaty of Amsterdam: 61.74% in favour (22 May 1998)
Treaty of Nice: 53.9% rejected (2001)
Treaty of Nice: 62.9% in favour (2002)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 53.2% against (12 June 2008)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 67.1% in favour (2 Oct 2009)
Fiscal Compact referendum: Ireland , 60.3% in favour (31 May 2012)
That's 9 Irish referenda, 7 in favour of EU measures and 2 against. The two which were against particular EU measures were voted in later by large majorities because the Irish government re-negotiated.
That's about 2/3 of the Irish people (who voted) saying yes each time. They probably don't want UKIP to keep poking its nose in their politics and trying to use them to prove something which is blatantly untrue..
So according to your own figures the treaty of Nice was rejected in 2001, but that did'nt fit in with the EU's agenda so then they had another referendum the year after in 2002 to get the result they wanted.
The referendum in Ireland was rejected in 2008 but the EU did'nt like that answer so they had another referendum a year later in 2009 to get the result they wanted. Thanks for proving my point.
It's proven that you don't know what you're talking about so you're welcome. "
It's a national decision to ratify measures or not. It was up to the Irish government to decide what to do about the votes, not the EU. If the Irish people didn't like what they were getting they'd have voted it down a second time. |
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"I literally dont care what their policies are - they will get us out of the fascist state in waiting that is the EU
There is a lot to be said about the EU, but I don't think anyone could sensibly claim it is a fascist state in waiting.
Look more closely - we have diluted democracy, centralisation of power - immense corruption, silencing of critics - seriously I'm not going to say to you "I'm right you're wrong" - but please at least take a closer look
You forgot repeated referendums in Ireland when they gave answers in referendums not to the EU's liking. When they EU did finally get the answer they were looking for from the Irish in god knows how many referendums then guess what?......no more referendums needed, lol, that is the EU's version of democracy for you.
Once again the truth is different to the UKIP allegation. These are the referendum votes on the EU that I've been able to find since 1973:
Enlargement of 1973: 83.1% in favour (10 May 1972)
Single European Act: 69.9% in favour (26 May 1987).
Maastricht Treaty: 68.7% in favour (18 June 1992)
Treaty of Amsterdam: 61.74% in favour (22 May 1998)
Treaty of Nice: 53.9% rejected (2001)
Treaty of Nice: 62.9% in favour (2002)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 53.2% against (12 June 2008)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 67.1% in favour (2 Oct 2009)
Fiscal Compact referendum: Ireland , 60.3% in favour (31 May 2012)
That's 9 Irish referenda, 7 in favour of EU measures and 2 against. The two which were against particular EU measures were voted in later by large majorities because the Irish government re-negotiated.
That's about 2/3 of the Irish people (who voted) saying yes each time. They probably don't want UKIP to keep poking its nose in their politics and trying to use them to prove something which is blatantly untrue..
2/3 of the voters.
Not 2/3 of the population"
That's what I said. That's how these votes work. Funnily enough they don't count the votes of people who can't be arsed to vote.
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"I literally dont care what their policies are - they will get us out of the fascist state in waiting that is the EU
There is a lot to be said about the EU, but I don't think anyone could sensibly claim it is a fascist state in waiting.
Look more closely - we have diluted democracy, centralisation of power - immense corruption, silencing of critics - seriously I'm not going to say to you "I'm right you're wrong" - but please at least take a closer look
You forgot repeated referendums in Ireland when they gave answers in referendums not to the EU's liking. When they EU did finally get the answer they were looking for from the Irish in god knows how many referendums then guess what?......no more referendums needed, lol, that is the EU's version of democracy for you.
Once again the truth is different to the UKIP allegation. These are the referendum votes on the EU that I've been able to find since 1973:
Enlargement of 1973: 83.1% in favour (10 May 1972)
Single European Act: 69.9% in favour (26 May 1987).
Maastricht Treaty: 68.7% in favour (18 June 1992)
Treaty of Amsterdam: 61.74% in favour (22 May 1998)
Treaty of Nice: 53.9% rejected (2001)
Treaty of Nice: 62.9% in favour (2002)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 53.2% against (12 June 2008)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 67.1% in favour (2 Oct 2009)
Fiscal Compact referendum: Ireland , 60.3% in favour (31 May 2012)
That's 9 Irish referenda, 7 in favour of EU measures and 2 against. The two which were against particular EU measures were voted in later by large majorities because the Irish government re-negotiated.
That's about 2/3 of the Irish people (who voted) saying yes each time. They probably don't want UKIP to keep poking its nose in their politics and trying to use them to prove something which is blatantly untrue..
2/3 of the voters.
Not 2/3 of the population
That's what I said. That's how these votes work. Funnily enough they don't count the votes of people who can't be arsed to vote.
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That was my point.
In important decisions there can be as little as 20-25% of the pop voting in major changes.
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By *abioMan
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2/3 of the voters.
Not 2/3 of the population"
erm.... yeah.... if I were a UKIP fan... I don't think thats a semantic you really want to be opening the door to......
so lets take UKIP's "Stunning" (their words) victory in the 2014 european elections.....
they did it by gaining 26.6% of the vote.... from a 35.6% voter turnout....
which went you work it out, its only actually 9.5% of everyone eligable to physically vote (those on the voting registar...)
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"I literally dont care what their policies are - they will get us out of the fascist state in waiting that is the EU
There is a lot to be said about the EU, but I don't think anyone could sensibly claim it is a fascist state in waiting.
Look more closely - we have diluted democracy, centralisation of power - immense corruption, silencing of critics - seriously I'm not going to say to you "I'm right you're wrong" - but please at least take a closer look
You forgot repeated referendums in Ireland when they gave answers in referendums not to the EU's liking. When they EU did finally get the answer they were looking for from the Irish in god knows how many referendums then guess what?......no more referendums needed, lol, that is the EU's version of democracy for you.
Once again the truth is different to the UKIP allegation. These are the referendum votes on the EU that I've been able to find since 1973:
Enlargement of 1973: 83.1% in favour (10 May 1972)
Single European Act: 69.9% in favour (26 May 1987).
Maastricht Treaty: 68.7% in favour (18 June 1992)
Treaty of Amsterdam: 61.74% in favour (22 May 1998)
Treaty of Nice: 53.9% rejected (2001)
Treaty of Nice: 62.9% in favour (2002)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 53.2% against (12 June 2008)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 67.1% in favour (2 Oct 2009)
Fiscal Compact referendum: Ireland , 60.3% in favour (31 May 2012)
That's 9 Irish referenda, 7 in favour of EU measures and 2 against. The two which were against particular EU measures were voted in later by large majorities because the Irish government re-negotiated.
That's about 2/3 of the Irish people (who voted) saying yes each time. They probably don't want UKIP to keep poking its nose in their politics and trying to use them to prove something which is blatantly untrue..
2/3 of the voters.
Not 2/3 of the population
That's what I said. That's how these votes work. Funnily enough they don't count the votes of people who can't be arsed to vote.
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That was my point.
In important decisions there can be as little as 20-25% of the pop voting in major changes.
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Absolutely right, so if you look them up the figures I've seen show typical Irish turnouts of 50-60%. For the first Treaty of Nice vote it was 34% and for the vote that overturned that it was 49%.
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"I literally dont care what their policies are - they will get us out of the fascist state in waiting that is the EU
There is a lot to be said about the EU, but I don't think anyone could sensibly claim it is a fascist state in waiting.
Look more closely - we have diluted democracy, centralisation of power - immense corruption, silencing of critics - seriously I'm not going to say to you "I'm right you're wrong" - but please at least take a closer look
You forgot repeated referendums in Ireland when they gave answers in referendums not to the EU's liking. When they EU did finally get the answer they were looking for from the Irish in god knows how many referendums then guess what?......no more referendums needed, lol, that is the EU's version of democracy for you.
Once again the truth is different to the UKIP allegation. These are the referendum votes on the EU that I've been able to find since 1973:
Enlargement of 1973: 83.1% in favour (10 May 1972)
Single European Act: 69.9% in favour (26 May 1987).
Maastricht Treaty: 68.7% in favour (18 June 1992)
Treaty of Amsterdam: 61.74% in favour (22 May 1998)
Treaty of Nice: 53.9% rejected (2001)
Treaty of Nice: 62.9% in favour (2002)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 53.2% against (12 June 2008)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 67.1% in favour (2 Oct 2009)
Fiscal Compact referendum: Ireland , 60.3% in favour (31 May 2012)
That's 9 Irish referenda, 7 in favour of EU measures and 2 against. The two which were against particular EU measures were voted in later by large majorities because the Irish government re-negotiated.
That's about 2/3 of the Irish people (who voted) saying yes each time. They probably don't want UKIP to keep poking its nose in their politics and trying to use them to prove something which is blatantly untrue..
2/3 of the voters.
Not 2/3 of the population
That's what I said. That's how these votes work. Funnily enough they don't count the votes of people who can't be arsed to vote.
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That was my point.
In important decisions there can be as little as 20-25% of the pop voting in major changes.
Absolutely right, so if you look them up the figures I've seen show typical Irish turnouts of 50-60%. For the first Treaty of Nice vote it was 34% and for the vote that overturned that it was 49%.
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Are you 100% sure these are all referenda ???
Think carefully before you answer
Use google if you want |
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"I literally dont care what their policies are - they will get us out of the fascist state in waiting that is the EU
There is a lot to be said about the EU, but I don't think anyone could sensibly claim it is a fascist state in waiting.
Look more closely - we have diluted democracy, centralisation of power - immense corruption, silencing of critics - seriously I'm not going to say to you "I'm right you're wrong" - but please at least take a closer look
You forgot repeated referendums in Ireland when they gave answers in referendums not to the EU's liking. When they EU did finally get the answer they were looking for from the Irish in god knows how many referendums then guess what?......no more referendums needed, lol, that is the EU's version of democracy for you.
Once again the truth is different to the UKIP allegation. These are the referendum votes on the EU that I've been able to find since 1973:
Enlargement of 1973: 83.1% in favour (10 May 1972)
Single European Act: 69.9% in favour (26 May 1987).
Maastricht Treaty: 68.7% in favour (18 June 1992)
Treaty of Amsterdam: 61.74% in favour (22 May 1998)
Treaty of Nice: 53.9% rejected (2001)
Treaty of Nice: 62.9% in favour (2002)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 53.2% against (12 June 2008)
Treaty of Lisbon: Ireland - 67.1% in favour (2 Oct 2009)
Fiscal Compact referendum: Ireland , 60.3% in favour (31 May 2012)
That's 9 Irish referenda, 7 in favour of EU measures and 2 against. The two which were against particular EU measures were voted in later by large majorities because the Irish government re-negotiated.
That's about 2/3 of the Irish people (who voted) saying yes each time. They probably don't want UKIP to keep poking its nose in their politics and trying to use them to prove something which is blatantly untrue..
2/3 of the voters.
Not 2/3 of the population
That's what I said. That's how these votes work. Funnily enough they don't count the votes of people who can't be arsed to vote.
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That was my point.
In important decisions there can be as little as 20-25% of the pop voting in major changes.
Absolutely right, so if you look them up the figures I've seen show typical Irish turnouts of 50-60%. For the first Treaty of Nice vote it was 34% and for the vote that overturned that it was 49%.
Are you 100% sure these are all referenda ???
Think carefully before you answer
Use google if you want"
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over a year ago
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That was my point.
In important decisions there can be as little as 20-25% of the pop voting in major changes.
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you are right... so what do you make of the 9.5% that got ukip their victory then..... |
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"Simple question
Not trying to scare you darling x
You can look it all up for yourself.
Use google if you want "
Might want to ask yourself why there has only been a second referendum when the initial vote was against - why is that - why?? |
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That was my point.
In important decisions there can be as little as 20-25% of the pop voting in major changes.
you are right... so what do you make of the 9.5% that got ukip their victory then....."
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Not alot.
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"Simple question
Not trying to scare you darling x
You can look it all up for yourself.
Use google if you want
Might want to ask yourself why there has only been a second referendum when the initial vote was against - why is that - why??"
Yep. I asked myself that question and then went and looked it up. You could do that too if you wanted to find out the truth rather than some party political drivel. Do you even know what the particular treaties were about in those two years? They were boringly technical.
In all cases it's down to the national government to ratify changes to the EU. Most countries do that in their parliaments, but in Ireland they have a referendum. Then it's up to the government to decide what to do. They decided to renegotiate and put it back to the people. The people then thought, oh OK, that's alright in that case and voted yes. Do you know they could have voted no if they wanted to? Then things would have been more difficult for the Irish government. But they didn't and it wasn't.
You might want to ask yourself why they voted yes for the next referendum without having a no vote first?
Anyway, these are matters for the irish national government to decide about, not the EU and no way for the UKIP.
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"What do you think about the ECHR?
The European Court of Human rights is not much more than a criminals charter, which criminals hide behind like a perverted shield. How many criminals and terrorsits in europe have played the "right to a family life here" card when facing prosecution? "
The answer is none - at least back as far as 2010. This is the usual lazy UKIP crap. Go look it up, there's a document on the internet "UK Cases at the European Court of Human
Rights since 1975". I'll help you as well -Right to family life is article 8. You'll find it used rarely and accepted even more rarely. Do some research before you rant on. |
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"What do you think about the ECHR?
The European Court of Human rights is not much more than a criminals charter, which criminals hide behind like a perverted shield. How many criminals and terrorsits in europe have played the "right to a family life here" card when facing prosecution?
The answer is none - at least back as far as 2010. This is the usual lazy UKIP crap. Go look it up, there's a document on the internet "UK Cases at the European Court of Human
Rights since 1975". I'll help you as well -Right to family life is article 8. You'll find it used rarely and accepted even more rarely. Do some research before you rant on."
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Behave before you both get sent to bed with no supper
Hey - I'm good here - 61 year old wants to call me out - let's go"
Grow up. Try to come back with something vaguely resembling the truth instead of the usual lies and rants. |
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Behave before you both get sent to bed with no supper
Hey - I'm good here - 61 year old wants to call me out - let's go"
Let's go?
All I can think of here is you shaking your fist at a screen and as the weldstone raider says...........you wan sum, I'll giv ya
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Behave before you both get sent to bed with no supper
Hey - I'm good here - 61 year old wants to call me out - let's go
Grow up. Try to come back with something vaguely resembling the truth instead of the usual lies and rants."
Answer the question then |
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"What do you think about the ECHR?
The European Court of Human rights is not much more than a criminals charter, which criminals hide behind like a perverted shield. How many criminals and terrorsits in europe have played the "right to a family life here" card when facing prosecution?
The answer is none - at least back as far as 2010. This is the usual lazy UKIP crap. Go look it up, there's a document on the internet "UK Cases at the European Court of Human
Rights since 1975". I'll help you as well -Right to family life is article 8. You'll find it used rarely and accepted even more rarely. Do some research before you rant on.
Hey babe - you called me out - when we getting it on - you can bring your mum if you like xxx"
My mum is dead. A bit like what's between your ears apparently. |
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"What do you think about the ECHR?
The European Court of Human rights is not much more than a criminals charter, which criminals hide behind like a perverted shield. How many criminals and terrorsits in europe have played the "right to a family life here" card when facing prosecution?
The answer is none - at least back as far as 2010. This is the usual lazy UKIP crap. Go look it up, there's a document on the internet "UK Cases at the European Court of Human
Rights since 1975". I'll help you as well -Right to family life is article 8. You'll find it used rarely and accepted even more rarely. Do some research before you rant on."
It seems it's enough for people to make the claim, even though it will be rejected, for some to object to the ECHR.
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Behave before you both get sent to bed with no supper
Hey - I'm good here - 61 year old wants to call me out - let's go
Let's go?
All I can think of here is you shaking your fist at a screen and as the weldstone raider says...........you wan sum, I'll giv ya
In fact meet up, have a scuffle but remember to leave each other a verification "
He brought it down to this level |
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All I can think of here is you shaking your fist at a screen and as the weldstone raider says...........you wan sum, I'll giv ya
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hahahaha!..."you wanna deal with me"...
That's so funny. |
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"What do you think about the ECHR?
The European Court of Human rights is not much more than a criminals charter, which criminals hide behind like a perverted shield. How many criminals and terrorsits in europe have played the "right to a family life here" card when facing prosecution?
The answer is none - at least back as far as 2010. This is the usual lazy UKIP crap. Go look it up, there's a document on the internet "UK Cases at the European Court of Human
Rights since 1975". I'll help you as well -Right to family life is article 8. You'll find it used rarely and accepted even more rarely. Do some research before you rant on.
Hey babe - you called me out - when we getting it on - you can bring your mum if you like xxx
My mum is dead. A bit like what's between your ears apparently."
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By *icketysplitsWoman
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bitch?
Oh I can't you are far too clever for me. Now it must past your bed time little boy. So piss off.
You cant answer - you piss off little boy - you want to say that to my face let me know bitch
Grown men calling each other names. That's the great debating skills we know and love.
The answer was given: the Irish Government renegotiated the deal and then the Irish electorate voted to accept the deal. Even simpler, the people they said no to the first offer but yes to the better second offer.
So tell me what was the difference between the first treaty and the second?"
I haven't looked it up but, broadly from memory, the terms of Fiscal Treaty required the Irish Government to change their constitution and the referendum was a technical recommendation to ensure that the law would be consistent. The Treaty was needed to bring stability to their economy.
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bitch?
Oh I can't you are far too clever for me. Now it must past your bed time little boy. So piss off.
You cant answer - you piss off little boy - you want to say that to my face let me know bitch
Grown men calling each other names. That's the great debating skills we know and love.
The answer was given: the Irish Government renegotiated the deal and then the Irish electorate voted to accept the deal. Even simpler, the people they said no to the first offer but yes to the better second offer.
So tell me what was the difference between the first treaty and the second?
I haven't looked it up but, broadly from memory, the terms of Fiscal Treaty required the Irish Government to change their constitution and the referendum was a technical recommendation to ensure that the law would be consistent. The Treaty was needed to bring stability to their economy.
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The EU created the instability - thats the point |
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That was my point.
In important decisions there can be as little as 20-25% of the pop voting in major changes.
you are right... so what do you make of the 9.5% that got ukip their victory then....."
I would say that it is a reflection of the sorry state of politics in this country rather than any reflection on ukip.
We have had 3 main parties for years and each one used to have conviction politicians aplenty. Not now, they are few and far between and being replaced with homogenised career androids.
If nothing else, ukip have reignited the passion in people and for that, surely, we must be thankful. |
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Behave before you both get sent to bed with no supper
Hey - I'm good here - 61 year old wants to call me out - let's go
Let's go?
All I can think of here is you shaking your fist at a screen and as the weldstone raider says...........you wan sum, I'll giv ya
In fact meet up, have a scuffle but remember to leave each other a verification
He brought it down to this level
Anyone reading this can make up their own mind about that. You've done your case no good at all so thought acting dim would help. Or perhaps it wasn't acting?
Are you acting dim - why dont you message me privately - seriously come on"
What would that achieve? |
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over a year ago
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bitch?
Oh I can't you are far too clever for me. Now it must past your bed time little boy. So piss off.
You cant answer - you piss off little boy - you want to say that to my face let me know bitch
Grown men calling each other names. That's the great debating skills we know and love.
The answer was given: the Irish Government renegotiated the deal and then the Irish electorate voted to accept the deal. Even simpler, the people they said no to the first offer but yes to the better second offer.
So tell me what was the difference between the first treaty and the second?
I haven't looked it up but, broadly from memory, the terms of Fiscal Treaty required the Irish Government to change their constitution and the referendum was a technical recommendation to ensure that the law would be consistent. The Treaty was needed to bring stability to their economy.
The EU created the instability - thats the point"
The Irish people decided to join the EU. The economic instability was caused by the GLOBAL banking crisis. They needed a bailout. The original wording would have left the EU stability package inconsistent with Irish law.
I can see there is no point in trying to explain this to you as you have a fixed viewpoint and information that does not suit that view does not exist for you.
Have a peaceful evening. |
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Behave before you both get sent to bed with no supper
Hey - I'm good here - 61 year old wants to call me out - let's go
Let's go?
All I can think of here is you shaking your fist at a screen and as the weldstone raider says...........you wan sum, I'll giv ya
In fact meet up, have a scuffle but remember to leave each other a verification
He brought it down to this level
Anyone reading this can make up their own mind about that. You've done your case no good at all so thought acting dim would help. Or perhaps it wasn't acting?
Are you acting dim - why dont you message me privately - seriously come on
What would that achieve?"
You cant answer the question publicly - maybe in private you can?
You tell me |
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By *abioMan
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So what were the differences between the treaties between when they voted yes and when they voted no?
Can you answer that - can you?
Go on please answer please?
bitch?"
actually since you two kiddies were having your spat, I went and had a look
its looks like ireland basically got a lot of the same opt outs as the UK did....
the schengen agreement takes priority over the european passport area.... (which means that people travelling in ireland between the north and south wouldn't need a passport, which they would have needed otherwise...... added bonus being you don't need a passport to travel between mainland uk and ireland.. even though ryanair make you!!!)
ireland also as the uk get some opt outs over security and justice (which means they both have EU border controls where all other EU countries dont) |
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If nothing else, ukip have reignited the passion in people and for that, surely, we must be thankful. "
agree with the level of disengagement with politics in general and the level of apathy being concerns for us as a democracy but the passion that you refer to will only serve for some to further want to widen the gaps between some sections of the society we live in and that may not be a good thing..
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bitch?
Oh I can't you are far too clever for me. Now it must past your bed time little boy. So piss off.
You cant answer - you piss off little boy - you want to say that to my face let me know bitch
Grown men calling each other names. That's the great debating skills we know and love.
The answer was given: the Irish Government renegotiated the deal and then the Irish electorate voted to accept the deal. Even simpler, the people they said no to the first offer but yes to the better second offer.
So tell me what was the difference between the first treaty and the second?
I haven't looked it up but, broadly from memory, the terms of Fiscal Treaty required the Irish Government to change their constitution and the referendum was a technical recommendation to ensure that the law would be consistent. The Treaty was needed to bring stability to their economy.
The EU created the instability - thats the point
The Irish people decided to join the EU. The economic instability was caused by the GLOBAL banking crisis. They needed a bailout. The original wording would have left the EU stability package inconsistent with Irish law.
I can see there is no point in trying to explain this to you as you have a fixed viewpoint and information that does not suit that view does not exist for you.
Have a peaceful evening."
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If nothing else, ukip have reignited the passion in people and for that, surely, we must be thankful.
agree with the level of disengagement with politics in general and the level of apathy being concerns for us as a democracy but the passion that you refer to will only serve for some to further want to widen the gaps between some sections of the society we live in and that may not be a good thing..
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Passion manifests itself in many different ways, some of the passion on here tonight would not be encouraged by many people I would have thought. I believe one can be passionate without being a threat or obnoxious, my hero, Tony Benn,was certainly passionate but even during the miners strike, knew where to draw the line.
I believe the type of people you refer to need no encouragement to demonstrate their bigotry wether that be left or right wing bigotry. |
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"What do you think about the ECHR?
The European Court of Human rights is not much more than a criminals charter, which criminals hide behind like a perverted shield. How many criminals and terrorsits in europe have played the "right to a family life here" card when facing prosecution?
you do know that British law actually mimick 99.7% of European Convention...
and the reason that certain terrorist were not extridited was because of British law, that they cannot be extridited to a country where they could face the death penalty...."
If that is the case then why are our own British courts and the ECHR often at loggerheads with each other? I'm sure you are aware of cases where our domestic courts have ruled in favour of deporting/extraditing criminals only for those criminals to then appeal to the ECHR.
Its no secret and has been headline news many times, why don't you ask the home secretary Teresa May i'm sure she'd be happy to tell you all about it and the trouble she had getting rid of Abu Hamza and Abu Qatada. |
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How do you feel about the rule of law?
Do you approve of the separation of powers in a state?
Do you think the British courts always do a good job and reach the correct decision?
Do you think the government ever try to influence the judiciary to interpret the law in their favour?
Do you think the government ever introduce bad laws, often inconsistent with our constitution (unwritten yet still in existence)?
Do you think it a bad thing that in such circumstances the individual has one final defence against injustice by the state and it's officials?
Do you have any issue with the actual wording of the Human Rights Act?
If it is the implementation, not the wording at fault, do you think it better to work on that from within the European Union or to give up and leave? |
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Its no secret and has been headline news many times, why don't you ask the home secretary Teresa May i'm sure she'd be happy to tell you all about it and the trouble she had getting rid of Abu Hamza and Abu Qatada."
in which case it shows you know "Nothing" about the Abu Qatada case.....
the ECHR which you loathe actually denied him right to appeal ... and gave it back to the UK high court
the Reason why the UK high court wouldn't give permission to extridite him to Jordan and why the UK courts would not allow it was for two main reasons....
1) Jordan wanted to put him on trial for a charge that could get him the death penalty if convicted..... which is a no no
2) it was confirmed that Jordan has gotten some of their evidence thru the Torture (and i don't use that word lightly) of other suspects...... also a UK law "no no"
so in the end to get them to legally permissable (which we will come to in a moment actually) they had to get Jordan to agree to 2 conditions....
1) they could not give him the death penalty if convicted... it had to be life in prison
2) they could not use any of the evidence gained thru the torture of other suspects......
they agreed.... he went..... he faced trial....
so they had a trial... found not guilty of all charges
and they then had a 2nd trial in relation to seperate charges .... you never guess..... they found him not guilty of all charges there as well.....
so now we have the situation where the UK never charged him with any crime (they arrested him and detained him for long periods..but never charged him)..... the US have never charged him with any crime.... and Jordan put him on trial twice and found him innocent.... |
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