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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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On the news it discussed a change in the law for prosecuting revenge porn. Fundamentally I see this as using images without consent.
I've noticed disclaimers for Sydney university and threads from people saying images have been used by other people. Would this be enough to prosecute?
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By *eKoopleCouple
over a year ago
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Not impossible but extremely difficult to police. The person who uploaded the content for revenge may find themselves in trouble but the content will still remain on various websites. However, this isn't to say something shouldn't be done.
The net is the only source of information governments can't control, case in poin,t Silk Road websites, the FBI closed a major outfit down late last year but others are in full operation. -Mr. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Unsure about can't control. All the major telecoms firm feed information into the government for them to review and are regularly asked to give access to the police to review information (web logs, telephone call details etc) |
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Police would only be involved if the person can prove photos had been used to cause distress / embarrassment in the posting of said pics.
The Police don't have the resources to take on every complaint, this law was fetched in to stop bitter ex's using naughty pics to cause distress to their former partners etc.
People can say they put the pic up with their play partners permission which then opens a can of worms if the people were swingers etc, courts could say they put themselves in that situation by doing pics etc & its proving that they were used in a malicious manner.
This new law looks good on paper but like offensive texts which are also illegal but nothing is rarely done because police don't have the resources.
Adult sites/social sites won't be effected as they remove pics when requested, it will be the person posting the pics who is committing the offense as sites/Internet/Digital media are only a platform & are not the offenders.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Police would only be involved if the person can prove photos had been used to cause distress / embarrassment in the posting of said pics.
The Police don't have the resources to take on every complaint, this law was fetched in to stop bitter ex's using naughty pics to cause distress to their former partners etc.
People can say they put the pic up with their play partners permission which then opens a can of worms if the people were swingers etc, courts could say they put themselves in that situation by doing pics etc & its proving that they were used in a malicious manner.
This new law looks good on paper but like offensive texts which are also illegal but nothing is rarely done because police don't have the resources.
Adult sites/social sites won't be effected as they remove pics when requested, it will be the person posting the pics who is committing the offense as sites/Internet/Digital media are only a platform & are not the offenders.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't know enough about the legalities to say if you could prosecute easily.
However I'm glad they bought this new law in (along with the stalking laws a month or two ago). It sends a very clear message to those who reside here in the UK:
This behaviour will not be tolerated. |
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Porn sites should ask for documented release forms & if they don't they should be shut anyway, this is good for finally closing down tube sites like You Porn & X Hamsters that pirate/flaunt the law anyway.
Respectable porn sites will have the proper documentation for pic/films so this law works all round for everyone. |
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By *eKoopleCouple
over a year ago
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"Unsure about can't control. All the major telecoms firm feed information into the government for them to review and are regularly asked to give access to the police to review information (web logs, telephone call details etc)"
Clactontog got there before me  . Last years government figures shown 87% of the UK use the internet. Some people will get caught, most will get away with a number of cybercrimes. There really isn't enough people to police the masses. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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With the police being able to pull individual web logs if they have enough details it's a simple search. MAC address, IP address date and eh voila or track image unique details. |
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"Police would only be involved if the person can prove photos had been used to cause distress / embarrassment in the posting of said pics.
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Not true, that was the old offence, prosecuted under anti-harrassment legislation.
Will it have an effect?
Ask the website owner in America facing 20 years in jail after being successfully prosecuted.
To a certain extent these things are relatively self-policing - it is already illegal to upload certain types of pic, and I dont see any of those type here, this just widens the net to include pics that aren't of you.
Been saying it ever since the law was announced, but eventually expect some form of photo-verification before being allowed to publicly post any pics at all.
Gotta feel sorry for Dave the Trucker and his stash of Russian porn pics...!
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From being on the receiving end of an ex doing this to me I think this is fabulous news.
I also recently found out about a twitter account he made up using my name and photos, I hope he's starting to twitch now. Karma is a bitch.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As an aside - I don't think this is ANYTHING to do with porn sites.
Instead it has EVERYTHING to do with those nasty, misogynistic revenge and slut shaming sites. |
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"As an aside - I don't think this is ANYTHING to do with porn sites.
Instead it has EVERYTHING to do with those nasty, misogynistic revenge and slut shaming sites."
It is also to protect those women who find their Facebook pics used to set up profiles on adult dating sites.
However, you're right, the prosecutions will start on the revenge sites, since it will be easier to convince a jury. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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Article on the BBC website.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/31020831
Wonder if all the single guys posting play (and often bareback) pics claiming 'it's my ex/an old long term partner" will now think twice before uploading?
Somehow, I doubt it!
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"Article on the BBC website.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/31020831
Wonder if all the single guys posting play (and often bareback) pics claiming 'it's my ex/an old long term partner" will now think twice before uploading?
Somehow, I doubt it!
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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago
Clacton on sea, Essex |
"Police would only be involved if the person can prove photos had been used to cause distress / embarrassment in the posting of said pics.
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Not true, that was the old offence, prosecuted under anti-harrassment legislation.
Will it have an effect?
Ask the website owner in America facing 20 years in jail after being successfully prosecuted.
To a certain extent these things are relatively self-policing - it is already illegal to upload certain types of pic, and I dont see any of those type here, this just widens the net to include pics that aren't of you.
Been saying it ever since the law was announced, but eventually expect some form of photo-verification before being allowed to publicly post any pics at all.
Gotta feel sorry for Dave the Trucker and his stash of Russian porn pics...!
Mr ddc"
The USA and us have a totally different legal system, there is no way the authorities can enforce the new law in its proper use & don't have the resources.
As per usual there will be a few scap goats but it will fizzle out, John spends half his time getting pics removed from sites which are illegally used & even with this new law nothing will change.
People in the States have received harsh jail terms for passing on STD's so we can't go by there court proceeding like 20 years for being the web-site owner.
X hamster & sister sites have tons of illegal pics/photos and are able to carry on as the owner kindly donates £5000,000 a year to the conservatives who watch his back but that should change now if you are right, our system needs to be squeaky clean to work but with so much government corruption involving our internet its a non starter
Watch how many legal cases will be taken against X hamster and you we see our point that its not going to work.
We will be contacting the police each time a photo we have shot appears on a site it should not be on but with 30 images a week they are soon going to pissed off with us.
All the other site owners are going to do the same just to see if it can be implicated which we know it can't. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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We will be contacting the police each time a photo we have shot appears on a site it should not be on but with 30 images a week they are soon going to pissed off with us.
All the other site owners are going to do the same just to see if it can be implicated which we know it can't. "
But this isn't about copyright theft.
This isn't about adult models who create adult pornography having their pictures posted on other sites.
This is about revenge porn where the intent is to ruin someones life who is NOT an adult model and who did NOT consent to having their pictures made public. |
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"Btw 'revenge porn' is a mis-nomer created by the press. The legislation talks about any pic for which you do not have consent. It doesn't have to be of someone you know/knew"
I love the 'Valantines' avatar, like all your photo's well executed and composed.  |
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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago
Clacton on sea, Essex |
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We will be contacting the police each time a photo we have shot appears on a site it should not be on but with 30 images a week they are soon going to pissed off with us.
All the other site owners are going to do the same just to see if it can be implicated which we know it can't.
But this isn't about copyright theft.
This isn't about adult models who create adult pornography having their pictures posted on other sites.
This is about revenge porn where the intent is to ruin someones life who is NOT an adult model and who did NOT consent to having their pictures made public."
We have credit card entry sites and when a model consents to being on a site which is not on the public domain she don't expect to turn up on Facebook which happens a lot hence a genuine revenge pic case.
Under these new laws of illegally posting pics them models can use this law to the full extent, our models have family friends & don't want them knowing about their porn antics.
Like swinging people don't expect to be plastered all over the net, we (other producers) have campaigned for years to fetch in laws like this but have been told they don't have the resources. |
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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago
Clacton on sea, Essex |
"This is about revenge porn where the intent is to ruin someones life who is NOT an adult model and who did NOT consent to having their pictures made public."
So everyone on this adult site now has no rights...i don't think so.
If a pic be it a model/non model has a pic which has been put on a social site to cause distress then that under the new law is illegal. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We have credit card entry sites and when a model consents to being on a site which is not on the public domain she don't expect to turn up on Facebook which happens a lot hence a genuine revenge pic case.
Under these new laws of illegally posting pics them models can use this law to the full extent, our models have family friends & don't want them knowing about their porn antics.
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That truly is extraordinary and baffling naivety.
First thing I tell every model I shoot: once these pictures are on the internet, you will never be able to remove them completely. Do not, ever, do anything you wouldn't not tell your family and employers about. |
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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago
Clacton on sea, Essex |
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We have credit card entry sites and when a model consents to being on a site which is not on the public domain she don't expect to turn up on Facebook which happens a lot hence a genuine revenge pic case.
Under these new laws of illegally posting pics them models can use this law to the full extent, our models have family friends & don't want them knowing about their porn antics.
That truly is extraordinary and baffling naivety.
First thing I tell every model I shoot: once these pictures are on the internet, you will never be able to remove them completely. Do not, ever, do anything you wouldn't not tell your family and employers about."
If a couple take naughty pics of each other they have obviously consented unless its spy cam etc, when a model signs one of our release it states e.g. Internet, digital media, Satellite, Print, DVD.
The models usually cross out Sat because they could be seen by family etc, just because its a model like the couple who mutually consent they don't expect to be ruined on a social site by some bitter person.
We can see your naivety in the industry given your age etc, a model don't have rights under the new law is like saying an escort can't be raped.
Any person be it MODEL or NON model who is a victim of revenge porn will be able to use this new law.
We tried to explain as simple as we could that all women / guys have rights.
if it was only for the purest of pure there would be no embarrassing pics would there ?
Think on what you have said & you will see how crazy its sounds. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Unfortunately revenge porn doesn't just happen on the Internet. I have been witness to lectures from policemen in PRIMARY schools warning the kids not to video themselves or take inappropriate photos of themselves and mail it to a boyfriend/girlfriend!
According to them they deal with this sort of thing a lot and kids have had to move schools etc.
It's scary! |
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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago
Clacton on sea, Essex |
"If you really want protection from this sort of thing happening DONT pose for porn videos!
It really is quite simple  "
Thats true anyone taking naughty pics swingers/couples/porn is giving consent but when that content illegally goes walkabouts with the purpose of causing problems for the victim then thats an offense now.
Swingers on here would be no different to porn models in terms of character etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We can see your naivety in the industry given your age etc, a model don't have rights under the new law is like saying an escort can't be raped.
Think on what you have said & you will see how crazy its sounds. "
Please don't patronise me by bringing my age into this.
I have been in porn, I have been in top shelf mags, I was a nude model for several years, full time.
Now I am a photographer. And I write for magazines and other outlets about issues that affect photographers.
Two of my friends run porn sites.
By telling the models that their pictures won't turn up in unexpected places you are doing the model an absolute disservice. It's irresponsible to lead them to believe that they are protected because they crossed out a box on a modelling form. Instead you should be pointing out to them that they should only ever pose for pictures and video that they'd be happy showing to everyone in their life. |
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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago
Clacton on sea, Essex |
"Unfortunately revenge porn doesn't just happen on the Internet. I have been witness to lectures from policemen in PRIMARY schools warning the kids not to video themselves or take inappropriate photos of themselves and mail it to a boyfriend/girlfriend!
According to them they deal with this sort of thing a lot and kids have had to move schools etc.
It's scary!"
It will be these cases that take priority we hope, a few of the new laws contradict old laws still standing so it will be interesting to see if the government are doing this for genuine reasons rather than for votes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Swingers on here would be no different to porn models in terms of character etc. "
They absolutely would be treated differently.
Porn model - someone who has consented to be photographed/videoed and has received an amount of compensation for their pictures to be used commercially on the internet and so forth. This is someone who's JOB it is to be in porn.
Swinger - someone who has consented to be photographed/videoed for the private use of the people involved, without the expectation that the images will be used commercially or spread about on the internet. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Unfortunately revenge porn doesn't just happen on the Internet. I have been witness to lectures from policemen in PRIMARY schools warning the kids not to video themselves or take inappropriate photos of themselves and mail it to a boyfriend/girlfriend!
According to them they deal with this sort of thing a lot and kids have had to move schools etc.
It's scary!
It will be these cases that take priority we hope, a few of the new laws contradict old laws still standing so it will be interesting to see if the government are doing this for genuine reasons rather than for votes. "
I hope it gets sorted! It's awful to hear when you have to sit then and listen to the damage the file sharing causes. Apparantly even the people who see the file can be prosecuted too, as its viewing a minor! kids don't think about that though, they just send and then the file gets spread like wildfire! |
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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago
Clacton on sea, Essex |
We have also shot top shelves, Playboy all the Sat channels own successful sites & won film of the year blar blar blar so what does this prove please keep to the subject...
We like yourself tell models they could be seen if not now in 10 years time but them avoiding certain outlets makes the odds better.
We recently had a lady ask if i could take her pics off the front of one of our sites as she just got married, to stop her having any stress we did but the pics/films etc are on the paid section.
If some toe rag then steal this woman's pics consent or not its classed as malicious under the new laws.
You seem to have a problem with models which is strange given your said job, trust us models or non models have the same rights just like people on this swinging site. |
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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago
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Swingers on here would be no different to porn models in terms of character etc.
They absolutely would be treated differently.
Porn model - someone who has consented to be photographed/videoed and has received an amount of compensation for their pictures to be used commercially on the internet and so forth. This is someone who's JOB it is to be in porn.
Swinger - someone who has consented to be photographed/videoed for the private use of the people involved, without the expectation that the images will be used commercially or spread about on the internet. "
If these swingers then put their pics on this site they are no different to models in terms of the law. |
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