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I'm less inclined to trust HMRC's estimates of taxes being lost, as they have a vested interest in either proving they're great at their role, or need greater funding, to ensure more is collected.
There have been various non-governmental agencies who have made recent estimates, both for the UK and other countries.
Despite our government having this information provided for several years, there have been no prosecutions at all.
As David Cameron's father gained their family wealth from provision of tax avoidance etc services, is it likely that the Prime Minister isn't as keen as us all being 'in it together', ie. austerity, and it really means all of those who haven't managed to squirrel money away into other countries etc, are all in it together.
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So in the past you took cash in hand. And I presume therefore didn't pay tax. Am I right?.
That would last be in 1996. And yes your correct, although mostly it was the customer who gained and asked as they avoided vat, but your right I avoided income tax on that job.
And I know it was 1996 because I was caught for it and fined, if I remember correctly £1500 plus back tax!. Total was alot of money and one hard learnt lesson  |
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The State does not have a right to my money.
no matter how many times you say it you are still wrong .... they do, and that's a fact"
Where does this 'right' come from them? They may legislate to take some (which I agree with). But they don't have a right. Enlighten me...
Because your a subject of the crown. |
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private sector banks or businesses pay ridiculous bonuses and salaries because they "earn it" banks make bad investments and send the globe into meltdown and governments pump public money into them and when thry turn profitable, the gov sells gor a huge loss. No one forced to pay any money back ftom their hard earned highly skilled salaries.
Sole trader puts his life savings into supporting his/herself with no holiday pay, no sickness pay, hmrc paid to date. Banks call in loans debts due to financial crisis. Sole trader loses everything to cover debt.
Is government biased to big business? Hmmm the madness is this is the way of the world for ages. Only suggestion is to make your elected councillor/mp work for his money |
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By *oo hotCouple
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"So in the past you took cash in hand. And I presume therefore didn't pay tax. Am I right?.
That would last be in 1996. And yes your correct, although mostly it was the customer who gained and asked as they avoided vat, but your right I avoided income tax on that job.
And I know it was 1996 because I was caught for it and fined, if I remember correctly £1500 plus back tax!. Total was alot of money and one hard learnt lesson "
Nice story. HMRC estimate that the black economy is costing the country exactly the same as tax evasion. So everyone who asks a builder, carpenter, plumber or electrician for a "cash" deal is as guilty of defrauding the country as those wilfully tax evading. Equally those accepting and taking cash are doing the same.
Of course there is going to be the odd hero who banks every single penny and plays by the book - but I have never met one and I don't know anyone else who has either. The reason is simple - it is an almost impossible task to police and HMRC rely on historical patterns to flag up a rogue tax return.
Unless you are under surveillance because you are already under suspicion it is almost impossible for HMRC to catch minor offenders of which the vast majority of tradesmen are. Only the greedy get caught.
Not that long ago a plumber mate of mine told me when we were on holiday that he would feel vulnerable if he didn't have at least £5,000 hidden away in various places in his house. |
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"So in the past you took cash in hand. And I presume therefore didn't pay tax. Am I right?.
That would last be in 1996. And yes your correct, although mostly it was the customer who gained and asked as they avoided vat, but your right I avoided income tax on that job.
And I know it was 1996 because I was caught for it and fined, if I remember correctly £1500 plus back tax!. Total was alot of money and one hard learnt lesson
Nice story. HMRC estimate that the black economy is costing the country exactly the same as tax evasion. So everyone who asks a builder, carpenter, plumber or electrician for a "cash" deal is as guilty of defrauding the country as those wilfully tax evading. Equally those accepting and taking cash are doing the same.
Of course there is going to be the odd hero who banks every single penny and plays by the book - but I have never met one and I don't know anyone else who has either. The reason is simple - it is an almost impossible task to police and HMRC rely on historical patterns to flag up a rogue tax return.
Unless you are under surveillance because you are already under suspicion it is almost impossible for HMRC to catch minor offenders of which the vast majority of tradesmen are. Only the greedy get caught.
Not that long ago a plumber mate of mine told me when we were on holiday that he would feel vulnerable if he didn't have at least £5,000 hidden away in various places in his house."
. HMRC select a number of tax returns at random for investigation .Anyone under declaring their revenues is taking a foolish and unnecessary risk. Penalties for failing to keep proper are records can be severe . |
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"So in the past you took cash in hand. And I presume therefore didn't pay tax. Am I right?.
That would last be in 1996. And yes your correct, although mostly it was the customer who gained and asked as they avoided vat, but your right I avoided income tax on that job.
And I know it was 1996 because I was caught for it and fined, if I remember correctly £1500 plus back tax!. Total was alot of money and one hard learnt lesson
Nice story. HMRC estimate that the black economy is costing the country exactly the same as tax evasion. So everyone who asks a builder, carpenter, plumber or electrician for a "cash" deal is as guilty of defrauding the country as those wilfully tax evading. Equally those accepting and taking cash are doing the same.
Of course there is going to be the odd hero who banks every single penny and plays by the book - but I have never met one and I don't know anyone else who has either. The reason is simple - it is an almost impossible task to police and HMRC rely on historical patterns to flag up a rogue tax return.
Unless you are under surveillance because you are already under suspicion it is almost impossible for HMRC to catch minor offenders of which the vast majority of tradesmen are. Only the greedy get caught.
Not that long ago a plumber mate of mine told me when we were on holiday that he would feel vulnerable if he didn't have at least £5,000 hidden away in various places in his house."
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No I don't think the black economy is anywhere near as bad as hoarding billions in a Swiss bank account.
1 black economy still relies on an exchange of goods and services, therefore still an economic benefit.
2 hoarding money serves no economic benefit at all except the for the benefit of the hoarder.
One of the biggest problems economically speaking is businesses hoarding money ie apple currently have around x amount billions sat in a bank.
Small corporation tax actually encourages this as you can pay the small tax and sit on your money, rather than avoid a large corporation tax by ploughing money back into r&d or expansion or hiring more staff etc etc. |
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By *oo hotCouple
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"So in the past you took cash in hand. And I presume therefore didn't pay tax. Am I right?.
That would last be in 1996. And yes your correct, although mostly it was the customer who gained and asked as they avoided vat, but your right I avoided income tax on that job.
And I know it was 1996 because I was caught for it and fined, if I remember correctly £1500 plus back tax!. Total was alot of money and one hard learnt lesson
Nice story. HMRC estimate that the black economy is costing the country exactly the same as tax evasion. So everyone who asks a builder, carpenter, plumber or electrician for a "cash" deal is as guilty of defrauding the country as those wilfully tax evading. Equally those accepting and taking cash are doing the same.
Of course there is going to be the odd hero who banks every single penny and plays by the book - but I have never met one and I don't know anyone else who has either. The reason is simple - it is an almost impossible task to police and HMRC rely on historical patterns to flag up a rogue tax return.
Unless you are under surveillance because you are already under suspicion it is almost impossible for HMRC to catch minor offenders of which the vast majority of tradesmen are. Only the greedy get caught.
Not that long ago a plumber mate of mine told me when we were on holiday that he would feel vulnerable if he didn't have at least £5,000 hidden away in various places in his house..
No I don't think the black economy is anywhere near as bad as hoarding billions in a Swiss bank account.
1 black economy still relies on an exchange of goods and services, therefore still an economic benefit.
2 hoarding money serves no economic benefit at all except the for the benefit of the hoarder.
One of the biggest problems economically speaking is businesses hoarding money ie apple currently have around x amount billions sat in a bank.
Small corporation tax actually encourages this as you can pay the small tax and sit on your money, rather than avoid a large corporation tax by ploughing money back into r&d or expansion or hiring more staff etc etc."
Hmrc estimate that loss of revenue through tax evasion is £5 billion. Hmrc estimate loss of revenue through black economy is also £5 billion |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I'm less inclined to trust HMRC's estimates of taxes being lost, as they have a vested interest in either proving they're great at their role, or need greater funding, to ensure more is collected.
There have been various non-governmental agencies who have made recent estimates, both for the UK and other countries.
Despite our government having this information provided for several years, there have been no prosecutions at all.
As David Cameron's father gained their family wealth from provision of tax avoidance etc services, is it likely that the Prime Minister isn't as keen as us all being 'in it together', ie. austerity, and it really means all of those who haven't managed to squirrel money away into other countries etc, are all in it together.
I wouldn't trust this party at all."
Al this happened 2007 to 2009,when Labour was in power,learn your facts and not the twisted version |
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"All this happened under the last Labour government."
The tories have always been guilty of robbing the poor to pay the rich whilst conning middle class idiots in the home counties that they are the party of the people |
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"All this happened under the last Labour government.The tories have always been guilty of robbing the poor to pay the rich whilst conning middle class idiots in the home counties that they are the party of the people "
It is Labour that cone even more |
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They all spin for Britain! I'm finding it a tough call this year, determining who I'm going to vote for.
Not all manifestos are out in public yet. As we know from the likes of Lib Dems, who pledged not to increase student fees, we also know that they may lie.
We certainly have to get tax increases up. This is going to only happen with greater employment, prosperity and major clampdowns on tax evasion and avoidance. Who'll help achieve this best is uncertain for me atm. |
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"Al this happened 2007 to 2009,when Labour was in power,learn your facts and not the twisted version"
lets untwist your version before we get at the facts. none of what hsbc was doing was known by the uk authorities until june 2010 .... labour was out of office by this time.
now lets examine the facts ...
Britain’s chief tax inspector told MPs in September 2011 that his department possessed a disc containing records from the Swiss subsidiary of a major UK bank – understood to be HSBC, contradicting Downing Street’s assertion on Tuesday that ministers only became aware of the scale of potential tax evasion through the bank at the weekend.
At the time, the former chairman of the HSBC, Stephen Green, was trade minister, having been appointed by David Cameron nine months earlier.
Hansard transcripts show that David Hartnett, the then head of HMRC, told a Treasury select committee investigation into tax avoidance: “I think the whole nation probably knows that our department has a disc from the Swiss – from the Geneva branch of a major UK bank – with 6,000 names, all ripe for investigation.”
Speaking to the Labour MP Tom Blenkinsop, Hartnett continued: “We have hundreds [of people] under investigation, some of them under criminal investigation, and we are about to challenge another 800. Then we will industrialise the process, challenging 1,000 at a time, with a view to having all those who need challenging challenged pretty quickly.”
Although Hartnett made no reference to HSBC by name, the bank and the leak were clearly identified in newspaper reports at the time.
Hartnett told MPs that HMRC had received the disc in June 2010 – nearly five months before Green was made a Tory peer and asked to become trade minister.
The statements from Hartnett contrast with information provided at Tuesday morning’s Downing Street briefing. A spokeswoman for Cameron said ministers did not know about alleged tax evasion at HSBC’s Swiss arm until details emerged at the weekend when leaked files were published by the Guardian and other media organisations.
so the guys at the top can't even get their story straight and as for the the tory's rewarding one of their chums with a seat in the lords and a ministerial post ..... it just says it all really |
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"So in the past you took cash in hand. And I presume therefore didn't pay tax. Am I right?.
That would last be in 1996. And yes your correct, although mostly it was the customer who gained and asked as they avoided vat, but your right I avoided income tax on that job.
And I know it was 1996 because I was caught for it and fined, if I remember correctly £1500 plus back tax!. Total was alot of money and one hard learnt lesson
Nice story. HMRC estimate that the black economy is costing the country exactly the same as tax evasion. So everyone who asks a builder, carpenter, plumber or electrician for a "cash" deal is as guilty of defrauding the country as those wilfully tax evading. Equally those accepting and taking cash are doing the same.
Of course there is going to be the odd hero who banks every single penny and plays by the book - but I have never met one and I don't know anyone else who has either. The reason is simple - it is an almost impossible task to police and HMRC rely on historical patterns to flag up a rogue tax return.
Unless you are under surveillance because you are already under suspicion it is almost impossible for HMRC to catch minor offenders of which the vast majority of tradesmen are. Only the greedy get caught.
Not that long ago a plumber mate of mine told me when we were on holiday that he would feel vulnerable if he didn't have at least £5,000 hidden away in various places in his house..
No I don't think the black economy is anywhere near as bad as hoarding billions in a Swiss bank account.
1 black economy still relies on an exchange of goods and services, therefore still an economic benefit.
2 hoarding money serves no economic benefit at all except the for the benefit of the hoarder.
One of the biggest problems economically speaking is businesses hoarding money ie apple currently have around x amount billions sat in a bank.
Small corporation tax actually encourages this as you can pay the small tax and sit on your money, rather than avoid a large corporation tax by ploughing money back into r&d or expansion or hiring more staff etc etc.
Hmrc estimate that loss of revenue through tax evasion is £5 billion. Hmrc estimate loss of revenue through black economy is also £5 billion"
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Yes I agree the loss to the government is the same, but the economic benefit of the two are totally different. |
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"Al this happened 2007 to 2009,when Labour was in power,learn your facts and not the twisted version
lets untwist your version before we get at the facts. none of what hsbc was doing was known by the uk authorities until june 2010 .... labour was out of office by this time.
now lets examine the facts ...
Britain’s chief tax inspector told MPs in September 2011 that his department possessed a disc containing records from the Swiss subsidiary of a major UK bank – understood to be HSBC, contradicting Downing Street’s assertion on Tuesday that ministers only became aware of the scale of potential tax evasion through the bank at the weekend.
At the time, the former chairman of the HSBC, Stephen Green, was trade minister, having been appointed by David Cameron nine months earlier.
Hansard transcripts show that David Hartnett, the then head of HMRC, told a Treasury select committee investigation into tax avoidance: “I think the whole nation probably knows that our department has a disc from the Swiss – from the Geneva branch of a major UK bank – with 6,000 names, all ripe for investigation.”
Speaking to the Labour MP Tom Blenkinsop, Hartnett continued: “We have hundreds [of people] under investigation, some of them under criminal investigation, and we are about to challenge another 800. Then we will industrialise the process, challenging 1,000 at a time, with a view to having all those who need challenging challenged pretty quickly.”
Although Hartnett made no reference to HSBC by name, the bank and the leak were clearly identified in newspaper reports at the time.
Hartnett told MPs that HMRC had received the disc in June 2010 – nearly five months before Green was made a Tory peer and asked to become trade minister.
The statements from Hartnett contrast with information provided at Tuesday morning’s Downing Street briefing. A spokeswoman for Cameron said ministers did not know about alleged tax evasion at HSBC’s Swiss arm until details emerged at the weekend when leaked files were published by the Guardian and other media organisations.
so the guys at the top can't even get their story straight and as for the the tory's rewarding one of their chums with a seat in the lords and a ministerial post ..... it just says it all really"
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Looks like Cameron might need to employ a powerful news paper editor to cover his bribery laden tracks, then maybe bribe them with ex met police horses and jollys in the countryside... Ohh wait that plans been done! |
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"All this happened under the last Labour government.The tories have always been guilty of robbing the poor to pay the rich whilst conning middle class idiots in the home counties that they are the party of the people It is Labour that cone even more"
Yes that is why every Tory politician from Thatchers era is sitting on the boards of all the utility companies they sold the family silver too....now your ripped off by them as well as the government who only like to look after millionaires and richer...please wake up |
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By *oo hotCouple
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"All this happened under the last Labour government.The tories have always been guilty of robbing the poor to pay the rich whilst conning middle class idiots in the home counties that they are the party of the people It is Labour that cone even moreYes that is why every Tory politician from Thatchers era is sitting on the boards of all the utility companies they sold the family silver too....now your ripped off by them as well as the government who only like to look after millionaires and richer...please wake up "
Let's not forget that a direct result of privatisation our energy costs are amongst the very cheapest in Europe. |
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"All this happened under the last Labour government.The tories have always been guilty of robbing the poor to pay the rich whilst conning middle class idiots in the home counties that they are the party of the people It is Labour that cone even moreYes that is why every Tory politician from Thatchers era is sitting on the boards of all the utility companies they sold the family silver too....now your ripped off by them as well as the government who only like to look after millionaires and richer...please wake up
Let's not forget that a direct result of privatisation our energy costs are amongst the very cheapest in Europe. "
would like to see independent corroborated evidence of that statement as the figures i have in front of me disprove that pro "tory-privatise-everything-so-we-can-milk-cash-from-every-orifice-of-the-public" un-truth |
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"All this happened under the last Labour government.The tories have always been guilty of robbing the poor to pay the rich whilst conning middle class idiots in the home counties that they are the party of the people It is Labour that cone even moreYes that is why every Tory politician from Thatchers era is sitting on the boards of all the utility companies they sold the family silver too....now your ripped off by them as well as the government who only like to look after millionaires and richer...please wake up
Let's not forget that a direct result of privatisation our energy costs are amongst the very cheapest in Europe.
would like to see independent corroborated evidence of that statement as the figures i have in front of me disprove that pro "tory-privatise-everything-so-we-can-milk-cash-from-every-orifice-of-the-public" un-truth"
a very simple google search will yield the results that you dont want to see. |
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"All this happened under the last Labour government.The tories have always been guilty of robbing the poor to pay the rich whilst conning middle class idiots in the home counties that they are the party of the people It is Labour that cone even moreYes that is why every Tory politician from Thatchers era is sitting on the boards of all the utility companies they sold the family silver too....now your ripped off by them as well as the government who only like to look after millionaires and richer...please wake up
Let's not forget that a direct result of privatisation our energy costs are amongst the very cheapest in Europe.
would like to see independent corroborated evidence of that statement as the figures i have in front of me disprove that pro "tory-privatise-everything-so-we-can-milk-cash-from-every-orifice-of-the-public" un-truth
a very simple google search will yield the results that you dont want to see."
just as i thought, you've got nothing have you .... if you have then post the links .... but you won't because it's another fabrication |
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"First result of a simple search and plenty more available.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25200808
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weak ... a vague bbc article about CITIES does not back up your arguement that uk's energy prices are amongst the cheapest in europe .... cities are not countries ..... you still have nothing to back up your fabrication do you? |
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"First result of a simple search and plenty more available.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25200808
weak ... a vague bbc article about CITIES does not back up your arguement that uk's energy prices are amongst the cheapest in europe .... cities are not countries ..... you still have nothing to back up your fabrication do you?"
Britain has amongst the cheapest energy in Europe. That is a well known fact and it surprises me that someone who punches in the economic ring like you do, does not know this. It is a fact and very easy to verify. Do you really want me posting link after link in order to prove a point that is already widely known and accepted? |
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the simple answer is you can't back up your arguement .... and your attempt to digress from the topic of the thread is futile. the facts are that the tory government have rewarded another of their fat cat chums for being head of financial institution that sought to defraud the treasury of tax liability on personal accounts which total billions. not only that they have failed to adequately persue those private clients of the banks for the tax owed. |
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I find it quite funny reading the pro rich pro big business arguments for letting them get away with criminal acts...
The best and most laughable of all is the black economy argument. Just to set the record straight, money that enters the black economy in the form of cash in hand jobs does not stay in the black economy. It is recycled in the form of buying goods and services from legal outlets and those goods and services attract VAT so tax is raised on the money. The money then continues to circulate growing our economy and attracting more tax. Money that is transferred out of this country is lost to our economy and shrinks our economy.
So anyone that thinks that the £5,000,000,000.00 lost annually to HMRC by the non-declared transfer of £10,000,000,000.00+ of taxable income offshore, to £5,000,000,000.00 income tax that is lost to the £20,000,000,000.00 (most of those working in the black economy would either pay no tax or lower rate tax on black earnings) are deluded, because that money stays in our economy until it falls into the clutches of some greedy rich bastard who transfers it off shore! |
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"First result of a simple search and plenty more available.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25200808
weak ... a vague bbc article about CITIES does not back up your arguement that uk's energy prices are amongst the cheapest in europe .... cities are not countries ..... you still have nothing to back up your fabrication do you?"
I could send you my German or Spanish electric bill if you like. Either would certainly back up toohot's argument. |
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"I could send you my German or Spanish electric bill if you like. Either would certainly back up toohot's argument."
to back up the arguement you would need to send bills from the other 25 member states, but aside from the personal bills of right wing extremists which no one cares about this is not an energy price thread. it's a thread about the financial wrong doings of our biggest bank which amounts to fraud and the way the tory government sought to whitewash the rampant aggressive tax avoidance by the wealthy and how the tory government cynically chose to reward the head of that bank with a seat in the lords and a government post. |
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"I find it quite funny reading the pro rich pro big business arguments for letting them get away with criminal acts...
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the same people don't seem to be so tolerant when it is someone on benefits..
all fiddling is wrong whether its done by corporations, tax lawyers, accountants or anyone else..
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Taken from the previous thread.
I wrote:
"Come on. The reason it has reappeared and become hysterical is because it is just under 3 months to the election, the Labour party is in the shit, and the BBC and Guardian are desperate to find something they can try to smear the Tory's with. Not rocket science. "
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cynical right wing extremist idiotic nonsense .... as per
So something that has been in the public domain for either 5 or 8 years (depending on who you believe) suddenly (3 months before a general election) gets rocketed to the top of the headlines in the Guardian and on the BBC who are both well known as the Labour party's cheer leaders in chief, and you call ME cynical. Oh the irony.  |
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"Taken from the previous thread.
I wrote:
"Come on. The reason it has reappeared and become hysterical is because it is just under 3 months to the election, the Labour party is in the shit, and the BBC and Guardian are desperate to find something they can try to smear the Tory's with. Not rocket science. "
Bits n pieces wrote:
cynical right wing extremist idiotic nonsense .... as per
So something that has been in the public domain for either 5 or 8 years (depending on who you believe) suddenly (3 months before a general election) gets rocketed to the top of the headlines in the Guardian and on the BBC who are both well known as the Labour party's cheer leaders in chief, and you call ME cynical. Oh the irony. "
So are you saying it's OK for the Tories and their press backers to keep reminding the country of mistakes made by Labour when they were last in government, but it is wrong for anyone to point out this Tory governments complicity in covering up a criminal conspiracy? |
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By *oo hotCouple
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".....but it is wrong for anyone to point out this Tory governments complicity in covering up a criminal conspiracy?"
It is just as well that this is an anonymous forum because unfounded allegations like that could get you into trouble elsewhere. |
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"I could send you my German or Spanish electric bill if you like. Either would certainly back up toohot's argument.
to back up the arguement you would need to send bills from the other 25 member states, but aside from the personal bills of right wing extremists which no one cares about this is not an energy price thread. it's a thread about the financial wrong doings of our biggest bank which amounts to fraud and the way the tory government sought to whitewash the rampant aggressive tax avoidance by the wealthy and how the tory government cynically chose to reward the head of that bank with a seat in the lords and a government post."
Uhmmm. A point was made further up about selling of the utilities and getting high energy bills as a result. I pointed out that this was not quite correct as we had amongst the lowest energy bills in Europe and then you started to dispute facts that seemingly everyone else in Britain knows - aside from you.
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"Taken from the previous thread.
I wrote:
"Come on. The reason it has reappeared and become hysterical is because it is just under 3 months to the election, the Labour party is in the shit, and the BBC and Guardian are desperate to find something they can try to smear the Tory's with. Not rocket science. "
Bits n pieces wrote:
cynical right wing extremist idiotic nonsense .... as per
So something that has been in the public domain for either 5 or 8 years (depending on who you believe) suddenly (3 months before a general election) gets rocketed to the top of the headlines in the Guardian and on the BBC who are both well known as the Labour party's cheer leaders in chief, and you call ME cynical. Oh the irony. "
correction ..... the information was in the private domain of the present tory government since june 2010 ..... they neglected to mention it publically. the story became Public very recently when it was brought to light by "le monde" in france after which it was shared with british media by the international consortium of investigative journalists. those are the facts and to argue to contrary displays the cynasism and ignorance of right wing extremists fully |
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".....but it is wrong for anyone to point out this Tory governments complicity in covering up a criminal conspiracy?
It is just as well that this is an anonymous forum because unfounded allegations like that could get you into trouble elsewhere."
its either as described or its gross incompetence given major government departments were not talking to each other..
on the political side, had this been under a labour government then the 'hysteria' would be equal from those on the right..
the way it is.. |
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"Taken from the previous thread.
I wrote:
"Come on. The reason it has reappeared and become hysterical is because it is just under 3 months to the election, the Labour party is in the shit, and the BBC and Guardian are desperate to find something they can try to smear the Tory's with. Not rocket science. "
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cynical right wing extremist idiotic nonsense .... as per
So something that has been in the public domain for either 5 or 8 years (depending on who you believe) suddenly (3 months before a general election) gets rocketed to the top of the headlines in the Guardian and on the BBC who are both well known as the Labour party's cheer leaders in chief, and you call ME cynical. Oh the irony.
So are you saying it's OK for the Tories and their press backers to keep reminding the country of mistakes made by Labour when they were last in government, but it is wrong for anyone to point out this Tory governments complicity in covering up a criminal conspiracy?"
Not at all. All is fair in politics.
If there was a scandal involving the Labour party I would fully expect the Mail and the Telegraph to shout it from the roof tops.
Political mud slinging is political mud slinging. They all do it and always will. Just as long as everyone knows the real motives all is fine.
As for the biggest scandal on the Labour party at the moment.
What on earth possessed them to pick Milliband as leader? No party that stupid should ever be let anywhere near government |
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"Here is one from another thread
http://www.itv.com/news/2013-10-29/how-uk-energy-prices-compare-to-other-eu-countries/"
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Your argument is flawed, half of our "privatised" energy companies are state run national companies delivering that cheap energy you proclaim
So in reality it's an argument that were just shit at running things regardless of who owns it. |
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"I could send you my German or Spanish electric bill if you like. Either would certainly back up toohot's argument.
to back up the arguement you would need to send bills from the other 25 member states, but aside from the personal bills of right wing extremists which no one cares about this is not an energy price thread. it's a thread about the financial wrong doings of our biggest bank which amounts to fraud and the way the tory government sought to whitewash the rampant aggressive tax avoidance by the wealthy and how the tory government cynically chose to reward the head of that bank with a seat in the lords and a government post.
Uhmmm. A point was made further up about selling of the utilities and getting high energy bills as a result. I pointed out that this was not quite correct as we had amongst the lowest energy bills in Europe and then you started to dispute facts that seemingly everyone else in Britain knows - aside from you.
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aside from there being 12 countries in europe whos energy is cheaper than the uks (which puts us firmly mid-table) this thread is about the tory government attempting to hide the truth about rewarding their fat-cat chums even after they knew about the financial wrong doings/fraud. |
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"Taken from the previous thread.
I wrote:
"Come on. The reason it has reappeared and become hysterical is because it is just under 3 months to the election, the Labour party is in the shit, and the BBC and Guardian are desperate to find something they can try to smear the Tory's with. Not rocket science. "
Bits n pieces wrote:
cynical right wing extremist idiotic nonsense .... as per
So something that has been in the public domain for either 5 or 8 years (depending on who you believe) suddenly (3 months before a general election) gets rocketed to the top of the headlines in the Guardian and on the BBC who are both well known as the Labour party's cheer leaders in chief, and you call ME cynical. Oh the irony.
So are you saying it's OK for the Tories and their press backers to keep reminding the country of mistakes made by Labour when they were last in government, but it is wrong for anyone to point out this Tory governments complicity in covering up a criminal conspiracy?
Not at all. All is fair in politics.
If there was a scandal involving the Labour party I would fully expect the Mail and the Telegraph to shout it from the roof tops.
Political mud slinging is political mud slinging. They all do it and always will. Just as long as everyone knows the real motives all is fine.
As for the biggest scandal on the Labour party at the moment.
What on earth possessed them to pick Milliband as leader? No party that stupid should ever be let anywhere near government "
As opposed to a PM who hired a criminal to act as his PR man and gave him access to the cabinet office...  |
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"Taken from the previous thread.
I wrote:
"Come on. The reason it has reappeared and become hysterical is because it is just under 3 months to the election, the Labour party is in the shit, and the BBC and Guardian are desperate to find something they can try to smear the Tory's with. Not rocket science. "
Bits n pieces wrote:
cynical right wing extremist idiotic nonsense .... as per
So something that has been in the public domain for either 5 or 8 years (depending on who you believe) suddenly (3 months before a general election) gets rocketed to the top of the headlines in the Guardian and on the BBC who are both well known as the Labour party's cheer leaders in chief, and you call ME cynical. Oh the irony.
So are you saying it's OK for the Tories and their press backers to keep reminding the country of mistakes made by Labour when they were last in government, but it is wrong for anyone to point out this Tory governments complicity in covering up a criminal conspiracy?
Not at all. All is fair in politics.
If there was a scandal involving the Labour party I would fully expect the Mail and the Telegraph to shout it from the roof tops.
Political mud slinging is political mud slinging. They all do it and always will. Just as long as everyone knows the real motives all is fine.
As for the biggest scandal on the Labour party at the moment.
What on earth possessed them to pick Milliband as leader? No party that stupid should ever be let anywhere near government
As opposed to a PM who hired a criminal to act as his PR man and gave him access to the cabinet office... "
Who was only convicted AFTER he was fired/resigned. |
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"What on earth possessed them to pick Milliband as leader? No party that stupid should ever be let anywhere near government
As opposed to a PM who hired a criminal to act as his PR man and gave him access to the cabinet office...
Who was only convicted AFTER he was fired/resigned. "
Ah that's all right then. No need to question Cam-Moron's judgement there then, after all it's not as if anyone knew anything about phone hacking or bribing police before Cam-Moron employed the CRIMINAL! It's not like Cam-Moron backed the CRIMINAL Andy Coulson and sacked him when he was arrested. Oh no I've got that wrong he did! Coulson was not sacked, he resigned and Cam-Moron even made a statmement at the time backing the CRIMINAL and saying that it was wrong the way he was being hounded!
But hey, whats that compared to Ed...
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"Who was only convicted AFTER he was fired/resigned. "
if we're talking about coulson which it seems we are then the allegations against him arose in aug/sept 2010 but he didn't do the decent thing and resign until the last week of jan 2011 ... during this time camerons system of vetting came into question with regard to his lack of security clearance for his regular attendances at cabinet meettings and all the while cameron defended the position .... just more examples of how the tory government leader rewarded close personal friends ... this this time with a position of un-elected power!!! |
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"Who was only convicted AFTER he was fired/resigned.
if we're talking about coulson which it seems we are then the allegations against him arose in aug/sept 2010 but he didn't do the decent thing and resign until the last week of jan 2011 ... during this time camerons system of vetting came into question with regard to his lack of security clearance for his regular attendances at cabinet meettings and all the while cameron defended the position .... just more examples of how the tory government leader rewarded close personal friends ... this this time with a position of un-elected power!!! "
Un-elected power! I like that one.
Funny, I can't remember Alistair Campbell winning an election anywhere, can you. Unelected Quango's packed with Blairs henchmen and/or lackeys was part of his stock in trade.
And Labour just love the EU commission who's ideas on democracy are either ban it or run it again until you get the right answer. No referendum from Labour this time around I notice.
When it comes to "un-elected" there are a damn site more skeletons in Labours cupboard than all the other party's put together. |
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the extrem rechten Flügel trying to derail another thread (no surprise there) ... now what the topic in hand? oh yes, this scandal ivolving cameron, the tory party, rewards to their fat-cat chums after wrong doings etc .... now it transpires that all the majot financial donors to the torys are on this list, and none of these donors have been investigated at all! |
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"the extrem rechten Flügel trying to derail another thread (no surprise there) ... now what the topic in hand? oh yes, this scandal ivolving cameron, the tory party, rewards to their fat-cat chums after wrong doings etc .... now it transpires that all the majot financial donors to the torys are on this list, and none of these donors have been investigated at all! "
What did you expect?
You really didn't think that the Tory party didn't have its snout in the trough too did you?
Anyone remember John Redwood, he was the one who was "a little economical with the actualite".
I think we may be approaching another such moment.
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"I'm less inclined to trust HMRC's estimates of taxes being lost, as they have a vested interest in either proving they're great at their role, or need greater funding, to ensure more is collected.
There have been various non-governmental agencies who have made recent estimates, both for the UK and other countries.
Despite our government having this information provided for several years, there have been no prosecutions at all.
As David Cameron's father gained their family wealth from provision of tax avoidance etc services, is it likely that the Prime Minister isn't as keen as us all being 'in it together', ie. austerity, and it really means all of those who haven't managed to squirrel money away into other countries etc, are all in it together.
I wouldn't trust this party at all."
Well its not a shock that one rich kid turns a blind eye to what other rich kids do. |
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"the extrem rechten Flügel trying to derail another thread (no surprise there) ... now what the topic in hand? oh yes, this scandal ivolving cameron, the tory party, rewards to their fat-cat chums after wrong doings etc .... now it transpires that all the majot financial donors to the torys are on this list, and none of these donors have been investigated at all! "
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That does not surprise me one bit.
The act of wanting to seek power, should bar you from holding it.
Here's an idea.
Use the national lottery machine to randomly pick people for office for two years!.. We couldn't possibly be any worse off  |
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"the extrem rechten Flügel trying to derail another thread (no surprise there) ... now what the topic in hand? oh yes, this scandal ivolving cameron, the tory party, rewards to their fat-cat chums after wrong doings etc .... now it transpires that all the majot financial donors to the torys are on this list, and none of these donors have been investigated at all! "
I regard derailing Labour party propaganda threads as a duty to the whole of mankind.
While everyone has been arguing about bankers the treatment of NHS whistle blowers seems to have dropped right off the radar. I wonder why? |
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"the extrem rechten Flügel trying to derail another thread (no surprise there) ... now what the topic in hand? oh yes, this scandal ivolving cameron, the tory party, rewards to their fat-cat chums after wrong doings etc .... now it transpires that all the majot financial donors to the torys are on this list, and none of these donors have been investigated at all! "
Do you read or actually listen to the news? The whole debate now seems to be that having a Swiss bank account makes you guilty of being dodgy. Seemingly the vast majority on the list also had legitimate accounts as well and HMRC investigated all the names.
I happen to have bank accounts in four different countries and all for perfectly legitimate reasons. It may seem surprising to some - but there are people who need and have overseas bank accounts.
This is hysteria on steroids. |
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"Tory,s protecting there own kind...
no surprise there then.....
Remember " were all in it together""
Labour are just as guilty, i saw Milibands pathetic attempts to nail Cameron with this on Prime ministers questions earlier today, turns out one of Gordon Browns and Labours biggest financial donators during the last general election campaign also had a Swiss bank account through HSBC to avoid tax here in the UK. |
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"I find it quite funny reading the pro rich pro big business arguments for letting them get away with criminal acts...
the same people don't seem to be so tolerant when it is someone on benefits..
all fiddling is wrong whether its done by corporations, tax lawyers, accountants or anyone else..
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The people in the wrong are more often than not the middle classes,as a self employed tradesman i would prefer every customer to bank transfer my account but......They all ask how much for cash...it aint the tradesmen fiddling. |
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Here is a prediction. This heap of hysterical nonsense is about to spectacularly backfire on Labour. Last week Milliband came out with his ridiculous comments about tax evasion in British Overseas territories and got a very firm rebuke in a completely embarrassing letter sent by the Governor of Gibralter.
Today Milliband loses it again and accuses Lord Fink of being dodgy! The guy is a loose cannon! Just as well he said it in the Commons.
Reported by the BBC...
"Lord Fink, the Conservative peer and party donor charged by Ed Miliband today of having undertaken "tax avoidance activities", has written to the Labour leader. He explains why Mr Miliband's allegations are incorrect, and then says: "I find it extraordinary that you have made claims against me that are without foundation or without contacting me. I challenge you to repeat your allegation outside the House of Commons - or to withdraw it publically." " |
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the tory party and cameron are in it up to their necks on this one ..... and there is more revelations to come on their and their wealthy friends dubious behaviour. heads are going to roll. the ultra right wing extremists have tried and failed on these threads to whitewash and divert attention with thin tissues of untruths, exagerated claims to which they can provide no proof and lunatic day dreams. now lets sit back and watch the shitting hitting the political fan for the torys |
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"the tory party and cameron are in it up to their necks on this one ..... and there is more revelations to come on their and their wealthy friends dubious behaviour. heads are going to roll. the ultra right wing extremists have tried and failed on these threads to whitewash and divert attention with thin tissues of untruths, exagerated claims to which they can provide no proof and lunatic day dreams. now lets sit back and watch the shitting hitting the political fan for the torys"
.............and Labour, probably some Lib dems been at it too. |
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"the tory party and cameron are in it up to their necks on this one ..... and there is more revelations to come on their and their wealthy friends dubious behaviour. heads are going to roll. the ultra right wing extremists have tried and failed on these threads to whitewash and divert attention with thin tissues of untruths, exagerated claims to which they can provide no proof and lunatic day dreams. now lets sit back and watch the shitting hitting the political fan for the torys
.............and Labour, probably some Lib dems been at it too. "
in terms of corruption
I would imagine it goes somewhere in the region of
Tories 75%
Labour 20%
Libs 4%
Others 1%
The Tories have always been swindling, devious, backstabbing, interbreed fuckwits.
Labour are playing catch up on the big head start the Tories have! |
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"I find it quite funny reading the pro rich pro big business arguments for letting them get away with criminal acts...
the same people don't seem to be so tolerant when it is someone on benefits..
all fiddling is wrong whether its done by corporations, tax lawyers, accountants or anyone else..
The people in the wrong are more often than not the middle classes,as a self employed tradesman i would prefer every customer to bank transfer my account but......They all ask how much for cash...it aint the tradesmen fiddling. "
respect it may not be you but believe me it isn't just the middle class asking for or doing cash in hand..
in some ways when normal hard working people look at the scams and the piss taking by the establishment who then lecture and legislate its no wonder some think fuck it, they're all at it so i will also.. |
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"the tory party and cameron are in it up to their necks on this one ..... and there is more revelations to come on their and their wealthy friends dubious behaviour. heads are going to roll. the ultra right wing extremists have tried and failed on these threads to whitewash and divert attention with thin tissues of untruths, exagerated claims to which they can provide no proof and lunatic day dreams. now lets sit back and watch the shitting hitting the political fan for the torys
.............and Labour, probably some Lib dems been at it too. "
the lot of them are 'at it'..
the legislator's their supporters with vested interests..
the lobbyists seeking to and influencing policy..
the stinking pigs are snout deep in the trough and then they lecture the disabled and the destitute how to live..
Blue, Red, Green, Yellow or whatever all at each others throats over the minutiae and the establishment just rolls on regardless with child poverty increasing and our kids in failing schools and our parents in overpriced inadequate care..
ffs.. |
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"the tory party and cameron are in it up to their necks on this one ..... and there is more revelations to come on their and their wealthy friends dubious behaviour. heads are going to roll. the ultra right wing extremists have tried and failed on these threads to whitewash and divert attention with thin tissues of untruths, exagerated claims to which they can provide no proof and lunatic day dreams. now lets sit back and watch the shitting hitting the political fan for the torys
.............and Labour, probably some Lib dems been at it too.
the lot of them are 'at it'..
the legislator's their supporters with vested interests..
the lobbyists seeking to and influencing policy..
the stinking pigs are snout deep in the trough and then they lecture the disabled and the destitute how to live..
Blue, Red, Green, Yellow or whatever all at each others throats over the minutiae and the establishment just rolls on regardless with child poverty increasing and our kids in failing schools and our parents in overpriced inadequate care..
ffs.. "
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I'm worried.... Were on the same brain frequency .
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"the tory party and cameron are in it up to their necks on this one ..... and there is more revelations to come on their and their wealthy friends dubious behaviour. heads are going to roll. the ultra right wing extremists have tried and failed on these threads to whitewash and divert attention with thin tissues of untruths, exagerated claims to which they can provide no proof and lunatic day dreams. now lets sit back and watch the shitting hitting the political fan for the torys
.............and Labour, probably some Lib dems been at it too.
the lot of them are 'at it'..
the legislator's their supporters with vested interests..
the lobbyists seeking to and influencing policy..
the stinking pigs are snout deep in the trough and then they lecture the disabled and the destitute how to live..
Blue, Red, Green, Yellow or whatever all at each others throats over the minutiae and the establishment just rolls on regardless with child poverty increasing and our kids in failing schools and our parents in overpriced inadequate care..
ffs.. .
I'm worried.... Were on the same brain frequency .
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shit..
best not let slip i voted green last election then, actually i did so in every one since 97.. |
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"I happen to have bank accounts in four different countries and all for perfectly legitimate reasons. It may seem surprising to some - but there are people who need and have overseas bank accounts.
This is hysteria on steroids."
Ah now we get to the crux of the matter, you run multiple accounts in multiple countries and maybe your a little worried that maybe someone will start looking at your finances...
No wonder your so voluble in your defense of fraudsters. |
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"the tory party and cameron are in it up to their necks on this one ..... and there is more revelations to come on their and their wealthy friends dubious behaviour. heads are going to roll. the ultra right wing extremists have tried and failed on these threads to whitewash and divert attention with thin tissues of untruths, exagerated claims to which they can provide no proof and lunatic day dreams. now lets sit back and watch the shitting hitting the political fan for the torys
.............and Labour, probably some Lib dems been at it too.
the lot of them are 'at it'..
the legislator's their supporters with vested interests..
the lobbyists seeking to and influencing policy..
the stinking pigs are snout deep in the trough and then they lecture the disabled and the destitute how to live..
Blue, Red, Green, Yellow or whatever all at each others throats over the minutiae and the establishment just rolls on regardless with child poverty increasing and our kids in failing schools and our parents in overpriced inadequate care..
ffs.. .
I'm worried.... Were on the same brain frequency .
shit..
best not let slip i voted green last election then, actually i did so in every one since 97.."
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I joined in 97 too....
I'm getting out in 2017 I liked it when we were radical!
At the last meeting I put forward a national jumper month during December to cut down on fuel bills.... Not one taker |
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"the tory party and cameron are in it up to their necks on this one ..... and there is more revelations to come on their and their wealthy friends dubious behaviour. heads are going to roll. the ultra right wing extremists have tried and failed on these threads to whitewash and divert attention with thin tissues of untruths, exagerated claims to which they can provide no proof and lunatic day dreams. now lets sit back and watch the shitting hitting the political fan for the torys
.............and Labour, probably some Lib dems been at it too.
the lot of them are 'at it'..
the legislator's their supporters with vested interests..
the lobbyists seeking to and influencing policy..
the stinking pigs are snout deep in the trough and then they lecture the disabled and the destitute how to live..
Blue, Red, Green, Yellow or whatever all at each others throats over the minutiae and the establishment just rolls on regardless with child poverty increasing and our kids in failing schools and our parents in overpriced inadequate care..
ffs.. .
I'm worried.... Were on the same brain frequency .
shit..
best not let slip i voted green last election then, actually i did so in every one since 97...
I joined in 97 too....
I'm getting out in 2017 I liked it when we were radical!
At the last meeting I put forward a national jumper month during December to cut down on fuel bills.... Not one taker "
any socks with sandals..?
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"the tory party and cameron are in it up to their necks on this one ..... and there is more revelations to come on their and their wealthy friends dubious behaviour. heads are going to roll. the ultra right wing extremists have tried and failed on these threads to whitewash and divert attention with thin tissues of untruths, exagerated claims to which they can provide no proof and lunatic day dreams. now lets sit back and watch the shitting hitting the political fan for the torys
.............and Labour, probably some Lib dems been at it too.
the lot of them are 'at it'..
the legislator's their supporters with vested interests..
the lobbyists seeking to and influencing policy..
the stinking pigs are snout deep in the trough and then they lecture the disabled and the destitute how to live..
Blue, Red, Green, Yellow or whatever all at each others throats over the minutiae and the establishment just rolls on regardless with child poverty increasing and our kids in failing schools and our parents in overpriced inadequate care..
ffs.. .
I'm worried.... Were on the same brain frequency .
shit..
best not let slip i voted green last election then, actually i did so in every one since 97...
I joined in 97 too....
I'm getting out in 2017 I liked it when we were radical!
At the last meeting I put forward a national jumper month during December to cut down on fuel bills.... Not one taker
any socks with sandals..?
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Designated sandals!!.
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"I happen to have bank accounts in four different countries and all for perfectly legitimate reasons. It may seem surprising to some - but there are people who need and have overseas bank accounts.
This is hysteria on steroids.
Ah now we get to the crux of the matter, you run multiple accounts in multiple countries and maybe your a little worried that maybe someone will start looking at your finances...
No wonder your so voluble in your defense of fraudsters. "
I would like to see you run businesses, or own property in other countries without having bank accounts there. |
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"I happen to have bank accounts in four different countries and all for perfectly legitimate reasons. It may seem surprising to some - but there are people who need and have overseas bank accounts.
This is hysteria on steroids.
Ah now we get to the crux of the matter, you run multiple accounts in multiple countries and maybe your a little worried that maybe someone will start looking at your finances...
No wonder your so voluble in your defense of fraudsters.
I would like to see you run businesses, or own property in other countries without having bank accounts there. "
I have to admit I have never owned property overseas, but I have a lot of friends that have. They never needed foreign accounts, and actually I used to run a business that supplied services around the world. I found I was able to run my business by using overseas banking services of my UK bank and where required international bankers drafts (also issued by my UK bank). But then I never tried to defraud any tax authority... |
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"I happen to have bank accounts in four different countries and all for perfectly legitimate reasons. It may seem surprising to some - but there are people who need and have overseas bank accounts.
This is hysteria on steroids.
Ah now we get to the crux of the matter, you run multiple accounts in multiple countries and maybe your a little worried that maybe someone will start looking at your finances...
No wonder your so voluble in your defense of fraudsters.
I would like to see you run businesses, or own property in other countries without having bank accounts there.
I have to admit I have never owned property overseas, but I have a lot of friends that have. They never needed foreign accounts, and actually I used to run a business that supplied services around the world. I found I was able to run my business by using overseas banking services of my UK bank and where required international bankers drafts (also issued by my UK bank). But then I never tried to defraud any tax authority..."
It would be rude of me to say that you are not telling the truth because maybe all your friends who owned foreign properties paid cash in hand and did not need a mortgage. It would technically be possible (but incredibly complicated) to run your property without a local account from which to pay utilities and local property taxes.
To imagine that you can run a business that is incorporated in another country without having a local bank account is ridiculous. As is the notion that you can run businesses and own properties in other countries without undertaking tax returns in those countries.
The comments that you are making illustrate the level at which Milliband is targeting his outrage at anyone who has an overseas bank account. It is really incredulous that some people just cannot believe, understand or accept that many people need overseas bank accounts just to get on with their day to day lives. |
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"I happen to have bank accounts in four different countries and all for perfectly legitimate reasons. It may seem surprising to some - but there are people who need and have overseas bank accounts.
This is hysteria on steroids.
Ah now we get to the crux of the matter, you run multiple accounts in multiple countries and maybe your a little worried that maybe someone will start looking at your finances...
No wonder your so voluble in your defense of fraudsters.
I would like to see you run businesses, or own property in other countries without having bank accounts there.
I have to admit I have never owned property overseas, but I have a lot of friends that have. They never needed foreign accounts, and actually I used to run a business that supplied services around the world. I found I was able to run my business by using overseas banking services of my UK bank and where required international bankers drafts (also issued by my UK bank). But then I never tried to defraud any tax authority..."
. People are entitled to have as many accounts as they like provided all the relevant income is declared for tax in applicable . Some individuals in the UK have multiple accounts . If conducting Businness abroad it is more practical to have an account in the country in which you are conducting Businness . |
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"I happen to have bank accounts in four different countries and all for perfectly legitimate reasons. It may seem surprising to some - but there are people who need and have overseas bank accounts.
This is hysteria on steroids.
Ah now we get to the crux of the matter, you run multiple accounts in multiple countries and maybe your a little worried that maybe someone will start looking at your finances...
No wonder your so voluble in your defense of fraudsters.
I would like to see you run businesses, or own property in other countries without having bank accounts there.
I have to admit I have never owned property overseas, but I have a lot of friends that have. They never needed foreign accounts, and actually I used to run a business that supplied services around the world. I found I was able to run my business by using overseas banking services of my UK bank and where required international bankers drafts (also issued by my UK bank). But then I never tried to defraud any tax authority...
It would be rude of me to say that you are not telling the truth because maybe all your friends who owned foreign properties paid cash in hand and did not need a mortgage. It would technically be possible (but incredibly complicated) to run your property without a local account from which to pay utilities and local property taxes.
To imagine that you can run a business that is incorporated in another country without having a local bank account is ridiculous. As is the notion that you can run businesses and own properties in other countries without undertaking tax returns in those countries.
The comments that you are making illustrate the level at which Milliband is targeting his outrage at anyone who has an overseas bank account. It is really incredulous that some people just cannot believe, understand or accept that many people need overseas bank accounts just to get on with their day to day lives."
Firstly my friends who own properties abroad own them in France and use them for holidays only. They all bought their properties in the late 80's as do up's so they were not expensive and to my knowledge none are run as businesses.
Secondly, my business was not incorporated in a foreign country and all foreign work carried out was done under an English contract and subject to English Law with payments being made in this country and as such was not subject to foreign taxes. And I said my business supplied services abroad, not that my business was registered abroad. |
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"I happen to have bank accounts in four different countries and all for perfectly legitimate reasons. It may seem surprising to some - but there are people who need and have overseas bank accounts.
This is hysteria on steroids.
Ah now we get to the crux of the matter, you run multiple accounts in multiple countries and maybe your a little worried that maybe someone will start looking at your finances...
No wonder your so voluble in your defense of fraudsters.
I would like to see you run businesses, or own property in other countries without having bank accounts there.
I have to admit I have never owned property overseas, but I have a lot of friends that have. They never needed foreign accounts, and actually I used to run a business that supplied services around the world. I found I was able to run my business by using overseas banking services of my UK bank and where required international bankers drafts (also issued by my UK bank). But then I never tried to defraud any tax authority...
It would be rude of me to say that you are not telling the truth because maybe all your friends who owned foreign properties paid cash in hand and did not need a mortgage. It would technically be possible (but incredibly complicated) to run your property without a local account from which to pay utilities and local property taxes.
To imagine that you can run a business that is incorporated in another country without having a local bank account is ridiculous. As is the notion that you can run businesses and own properties in other countries without undertaking tax returns in those countries.
The comments that you are making illustrate the level at which Milliband is targeting his outrage at anyone who has an overseas bank account. It is really incredulous that some people just cannot believe, understand or accept that many people need overseas bank accounts just to get on with their day to day lives.
Firstly my friends who own properties abroad own them in France and use them for holidays only. They all bought their properties in the late 80's as do up's so they were not expensive and to my knowledge none are run as businesses.
Secondly, my business was not incorporated in a foreign country and all foreign work carried out was done under an English contract and subject to English Law with payments being made in this country and as such was not subject to foreign taxes. And I said my business supplied services abroad, not that my business was registered abroad."
In France? Interesting. How did they pay their monthly utilities, taxe d'habitacion and taxe fonciere without a local bank account? Which bank account did they use to register on their tax return considering that the French tax authorities require an ability to dip into your account and take their taxes if you don't willingly pay them? |
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"I happen to have bank accounts in four different countries and all for perfectly legitimate reasons. It may seem surprising to some - but there are people who need and have overseas bank accounts.
This is hysteria on steroids.
Ah now we get to the crux of the matter, you run multiple accounts in multiple countries and maybe your a little worried that maybe someone will start looking at your finances...
No wonder your so voluble in your defense of fraudsters.
I would like to see you run businesses, or own property in other countries without having bank accounts there.
I have to admit I have never owned property overseas, but I have a lot of friends that have. They never needed foreign accounts, and actually I used to run a business that supplied services around the world. I found I was able to run my business by using overseas banking services of my UK bank and where required international bankers drafts (also issued by my UK bank). But then I never tried to defraud any tax authority...
It would be rude of me to say that you are not telling the truth because maybe all your friends who owned foreign properties paid cash in hand and did not need a mortgage. It would technically be possible (but incredibly complicated) to run your property without a local account from which to pay utilities and local property taxes.
To imagine that you can run a business that is incorporated in another country without having a local bank account is ridiculous. As is the notion that you can run businesses and own properties in other countries without undertaking tax returns in those countries.
The comments that you are making illustrate the level at which Milliband is targeting his outrage at anyone who has an overseas bank account. It is really incredulous that some people just cannot believe, understand or accept that many people need overseas bank accounts just to get on with their day to day lives.
Firstly my friends who own properties abroad own them in France and use them for holidays only. They all bought their properties in the late 80's as do up's so they were not expensive and to my knowledge none are run as businesses.
Secondly, my business was not incorporated in a foreign country and all foreign work carried out was done under an English contract and subject to English Law with payments being made in this country and as such was not subject to foreign taxes. And I said my business supplied services abroad, not that my business was registered abroad.
In France? Interesting. How did they pay their monthly utilities, taxe d'habitacion and taxe fonciere without a local bank account? Which bank account did they use to register on their tax return considering that the French tax authorities require an ability to dip into your account and take their taxes if you don't willingly pay them?"
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Lol France..... Such a socialist country, I really can't understand why you bother considering how much you hate socialism |
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"In France? Interesting. How did they pay their monthly utilities, taxe d'habitacion and taxe fonciere without a local bank account? Which bank account did they use to register on their tax return considering that the French tax authorities require an ability to dip into your account and take their taxes if you don't willingly pay them?"
Surprisingly enough I have never asked any of my friends about their bank accounts, although I would have thought that over the years they would have mentioned having to open foreign accounts to buy their properties. However next time I see them I'll ask. |
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Me I love France.
Always have done over the twenty years I've visited it.
I love the fact the state don't let anyone gamble unless in s casino, no fruit machines in any pubs or shops.
I love the way the state control cigarette sales you can't buy them in pubs or shops only specific outlets.
I love the fact you can let fireworks off willy nilly or drive down roads on a motorbike with no helmet, yeah you'll get a lecture off the cops but no hard sell,I like the fact that the French people choose no to speed humps or wheel clamps, I like the fact, that everyone knows everyone and there all in it together.... If only we could be like that? |
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"Me I love France.
Always have done over the twenty years I've visited it.
I love the fact the state don't let anyone gamble unless in s casino, no fruit machines in any pubs or shops.
I love the way the state control cigarette sales you can't buy them in pubs or shops only specific outlets.
I love the fact you can let fireworks off willy nilly or drive down roads on a motorbike with no helmet, yeah you'll get a lecture off the cops but no hard sell,I like the fact that the French people choose no to speed humps or wheel clamps, I like the fact, that everyone knows everyone and there all in it together.... If only we could be like that?"
I love the fact that many years ago the state sponsored a new build property investment scheme which benefitted construction companies and investors alike.
Where else could you get someone else to pay your repayment mortgage and walk away free and clear with debt free property after 25 years.
The croissants are good and Cap d'Agde is just something else. Their cars suck. |
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"In France? Interesting. How did they pay their monthly utilities, taxe d'habitacion and taxe fonciere without a local bank account? Which bank account did they use to register on their tax return considering that the French tax authorities require an ability to dip into your account and take their taxes if you don't willingly pay them?
Surprisingly enough I have never asked any of my friends about their bank accounts, although I would have thought that over the years they would have mentioned having to open foreign accounts to buy their properties. However next time I see them I'll ask."
If you own your own home in this country it would be just about impossible to operate it on a day to day basis without a bank account - imagine trying to do that from another country. |
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STOP PRESS!!! HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!!!
The latest dramatic revelation in the Tory tax scandal. You will be shocked, astounded, horrified and disgusted.
Yes folks a Brit living in Spain has been discovered with a Spanish bank account.
Sources say that he once saw David Cameron on the TV so linking him to the Conservative party.
It appears that the 87.76€ in the account were transferred from the UK legitimately but because of the link to the Tory party he must be a tax dodging scumbag. |
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"Me I love France.
Always have done over the twenty years I've visited it.
I love the fact the state don't let anyone gamble unless in s casino, no fruit machines in any pubs or shops.
I love the way the state control cigarette sales you can't buy them in pubs or shops only specific outlets.
I love the fact you can let fireworks off willy nilly or drive down roads on a motorbike with no helmet, yeah you'll get a lecture off the cops but no hard sell,I like the fact that the French people choose no to speed humps or wheel clamps, I like the fact, that everyone knows everyone and there all in it together.... If only we could be like that?
I love the fact that many years ago the state sponsored a new build property investment scheme which benefitted construction companies and investors alike.
Where else could you get someone else to pay your repayment mortgage and walk away free and clear with debt free property after 25 years.
The croissants are good and Cap d'Agde is just something else. Their cars suck."
I see so what your saying is you like socialism when the many are benefiting you!, but dead against it when your asked to be one of the many benefiting somebody else... And you call socialists hypocrite's.  |
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Does any of it really matter? This shits been going on for centuries in one for or another and it will continue on in the same manner.
The very people being brought to task are the same ones running the system in the first place.
All of this is distracting from the single biggest dilemma facing voters - The country is on its arse and what are our future leaders actually going to do to get us out of the shit we are in? |
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"Does any of it really matter? This shits been going on for centuries in one for or another and it will continue on in the same manner.
The very people being brought to task are the same ones running the system in the first place.
All of this is distracting from the single biggest dilemma facing voters - The country is on its arse and what are our future leaders actually going to do to get us out of the shit we are in?"
.Quite.
The answer.
they'll do nothing, because the honest answer is, there's nothing they can do. |
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By *oo hotCouple
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"Me I love France.
Always have done over the twenty years I've visited it.
I love the fact the state don't let anyone gamble unless in s casino, no fruit machines in any pubs or shops.
I love the way the state control cigarette sales you can't buy them in pubs or shops only specific outlets.
I love the fact you can let fireworks off willy nilly or drive down roads on a motorbike with no helmet, yeah you'll get a lecture off the cops but no hard sell,I like the fact that the French people choose no to speed humps or wheel clamps, I like the fact, that everyone knows everyone and there all in it together.... If only we could be like that?
I love the fact that many years ago the state sponsored a new build property investment scheme which benefitted construction companies and investors alike.
Where else could you get someone else to pay your repayment mortgage and walk away free and clear with debt free property after 25 years.
The croissants are good and Cap d'Agde is just something else. Their cars suck.
I see so what your saying is you like socialism when the many are benefiting you!, but dead against it when your asked to be one of the many benefiting somebody else... And you call socialists hypocrite's. "
What has an investment concept created in the 1980's got to do with modern day socialist France? Hollande has changed the leaseback concept by making it less attractive to do now and thereby reduced the ability of his own people to prepare better for their own retirement.
I am getting a slightly different reduction in benefit but I am so far down the road with mine that the interference is fortunately negligible. |
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Hello Professor,
how did we get to such a position that the government controls so much of what we do and feels it has to run everything, with disastrous results. What they try and run is simply too much for their control to be effective and so squandered vast amounts of our cash which means they need even more of it in taxes to pay back their mismanagemnet.
It's time for less government control and more of look after yourself without asking or expecting the government to do it for us.
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"Does any of it really matter? This shits been going on for centuries in one for or another and it will continue on in the same manner.
The very people being brought to task are the same ones running the system in the first place.
All of this is distracting from the single biggest dilemma facing voters - The country is on its arse and what are our future leaders actually going to do to get us out of the shit we are in?.Quite.
The answer.
they'll do nothing, because the honest answer is, there's nothing they can do."
yep..
because they are all in it together..
wonder if that's what our Dave meant.. |
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