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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago
The land of grey peas and bacon |
As some know I'm in the process of being unemploymed due to no funding for my role. There is a redeployment opportunity however the job they have offered is basically at a lower grade and really a demotion and also I will have a drop in salary of £8,000. I'm very reluctant to take that job as I'm over qualified for the job and to be honest it's a soul destroying job. I just feel a bit like what the fuck do I do....  |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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I would take it and then look around... it is easier to find a role when you are in on...
then negotiate your new salary once you secure a new role that is a better fit |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I would take it and then look around... it is easier to find a role when you are in on...
then negotiate your new salary once you secure a new role that is a better fit"
What View said. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Is there any cash value protection offered? Would your redundancy pay-off give you enough that you'd feel secure that it would last you till you'd find another job?
Really difficult decision I know |
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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago
The land of grey peas and bacon |
"Is there any cash value protection offered? Would your redundancy pay-off give you enough that you'd feel secure that it would last you till you'd find another job?
Really difficult decision I know "
They won't offer redundancy currently as there is a redeployment opportunity in place |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"Is there any cash value protection offered? Would your redundancy pay-off give you enough that you'd feel secure that it would last you till you'd find another job?
Really difficult decision I know
They won't offer redundancy currently as there is a redeployment opportunity in place "
That's a bit unfair since it's effectively a demotion with such a large pay cut. |
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"Is there any cash value protection offered? Would your redundancy pay-off give you enough that you'd feel secure that it would last you till you'd find another job?
Really difficult decision I know
They won't offer redundancy currently as there is a redeployment opportunity in place "
The jobs they offer you have to be reasonable, losing that much money isn't reasonable. How long do you have in the redeployment pool? Could you refuse this and hang on for something else? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is there any cash value protection offered? Would your redundancy pay-off give you enough that you'd feel secure that it would last you till you'd find another job?
Really difficult decision I know
They won't offer redundancy currently as there is a redeployment opportunity in place "
Ah of course. Same at my place. I think it's worth taking it and sitting it out for a bit until you can find something else then, at least it'll give you a little financial security while you decide what to do. Unless you've got enough savings to keep you going for a few months x |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
Is the redeployment not being offered at the same salary? I have always had to negotiate to as close to the same salary as possible on all redeployments I have had to make.
Have you got a union rep you can speak to about helping with the negotiations?
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
Take the offer, write a best selling book using your experience about the nature of your type of workplace and what goes on there, (fiction heavily based in fact, or non-fiction if you use a pseudonym), make millions and resign.
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
what is the redundancy settlement? if the redundancy package is decent take that and take whatever soul destroying position you can get your hands on applying for something more decent in the process. You'll have security all round. Couldn't be bothered reading the thread if it's already been asked... |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Is there any cash value protection offered? Would your redundancy pay-off give you enough that you'd feel secure that it would last you till you'd find another job?
Really difficult decision I know
They won't offer redundancy currently as there is a redeployment opportunity in place
That's a bit unfair since it's effectively a demotion with such a large pay cut."
Where I have offered demotions (as those were the roles available) I have had to keep the salary as compensation and to make it a reasonable offer and not a redundancy. Albeit the salary would be frozen at that level and reverting back to the normal salary for anyone else taking the post once the redeployed person left.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is there any cash value protection offered? Would your redundancy pay-off give you enough that you'd feel secure that it would last you till you'd find another job?
Really difficult decision I know
They won't offer redundancy currently as there is a redeployment opportunity in place
That's a bit unfair since it's effectively a demotion with such a large pay cut.
Where I have offered demotions (as those were the roles available) I have had to keep the salary as compensation and to make it a reasonable offer and not a redundancy. Albeit the salary would be frozen at that level and reverting back to the normal salary for anyone else taking the post once the redeployed person left.
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I think I work in the same sort of organisation as cheeky. And there is no concept of negotiation on salaries. However I would have expected a short period of cash protection on taking a redeployment at a lower grade. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is there any cash value protection offered? Would your redundancy pay-off give you enough that you'd feel secure that it would last you till you'd find another job?
Really difficult decision I know
They won't offer redundancy currently as there is a redeployment opportunity in place "
Whether or not they are deeming your role redundant, it may nevertheless be a redundancy. There are many issues and aspects to whether this gives you the right to claim and whether you wish to or deem it worthwhile. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"Is there any cash value protection offered? Would your redundancy pay-off give you enough that you'd feel secure that it would last you till you'd find another job?
Really difficult decision I know
They won't offer redundancy currently as there is a redeployment opportunity in place
That's a bit unfair since it's effectively a demotion with such a large pay cut.
Where I have offered demotions (as those were the roles available) I have had to keep the salary as compensation and to make it a reasonable offer and not a redundancy. Albeit the salary would be frozen at that level and reverting back to the normal salary for anyone else taking the post once the redeployed person left.
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That sounds much more reasonable. Mind you, a soul destroying job is still a soul destroying job so even that sounds like it would be only a temporary solution. |
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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago
The land of grey peas and bacon |
"Is the redeployment not being offered at the same salary? I have always had to negotiate to as close to the same salary as possible on all redeployments I have had to make.
Have you got a union rep you can speak to about helping with the negotiations?
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No there is no salary protection |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Take the new job but make sure it is continued service and see what the redundancy package is in the new roll negotiate your ass of for a better salary package and seek the help of a good union rep. Good luck |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
From a legal Q&A:
"What makes an alternative role “suitable”?
When considering whether or not an alternative role is suitable, employers should consider:
the employee’s skills and experience (ie do they have the right skills and experience for the new role?); and
the terms of the alternative job including: status, place of work, job duties, pay, hours and responsibility (ie how similar are these to the old role?).
Maintaining status and pay is not necessarily sufficient to make an alternative job role “suitable” if there are other clear differences between the two roles. For example, if an employee would not use the same skills in a new role or their working hours are significantly rearranged, the new role is unlikely to be a suitable alternative.
If the new role is entirely within an employee’s job description, they may be matched into it. If there are some differences between the two roles, the employee should be offered a trial period."
You're not entitled to statutory redundancy pay if you refuse a reasonable redeployment but it has to be reasonable. Reasonableness depends on your specific circumstances and such a significant drop in salary could be considered reasonable grounds for refusal.
In any case, you could accept the trial period and use that to look for other work, then take the redundancy as it was an unreasonable offer.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When does your post end?
Get cv done, register on indeed, look round charity websites, and other places of interest. I dont know what you do.. Message me... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would get some advice on this from an expert.... A very similar thing happened to a relative of ours .... She declined the offer they refused redundancy and a year later after quite a battle she was awarded 50 k by a tribunal...,. Check with acas what the legal position is .....  |
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"I would take it and then look around... it is easier to find a role when you are in one...
then negotiate your new salary once you secure a new role that is a better fit
Good luck [thumb]"
Agree fully with View, but also, as Lickety says, about protected salary:
" Where I have offered demotions (as those were the roles available) I have had to keep the salary as compensation and to make it a reasonable offer and not a redundancy. Albeit the salary would be frozen at that level "
Certainly worth asking the question.
Good luck
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As some know I'm in the process of being unemploymed due to no funding for my role. There is a redeployment opportunity however the job they have offered is basically at a lower grade and really a demotion and also I will have a drop in salary of £8,000. I'm very reluctant to take that job as I'm over qualified for the job and to be honest it's a soul destroying job. I just feel a bit like what the fuck do I do.... "
Take it to tide you over till you find a new job |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Take the job but apply for others. Unless its that bad you would rather be unemployed."
This is probably the only decision you need to make, I'm guessing you probably don't have the length of service (based on your age) that statutory redundancy would be much of a comfort. Good luck with whatever happens. And I know it sounds trite but everyone I work with that this has happened to in the past couple of years (and that's an awful lot) it has worked out ok and they've gone on to better things even if it's taken a little while x |
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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago
The land of grey peas and bacon |
"Take the job but apply for others. Unless its that bad you would rather be unemployed.
This is probably the only decision you need to make, I'm guessing you probably don't have the length of service (based on your age) that statutory redundancy would be much of a comfort. Good luck with whatever happens. And I know it sounds trite but everyone I work with that this has happened to in the past couple of years (and that's an awful lot) it has worked out ok and they've gone on to better things even if it's taken a little while x "
I know I just feel like I've been kicked in the bollocks I've worked my arse off then to be thrown on the scrap heap... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know I just feel like I've been kicked in the bollocks I've worked my arse off then to be thrown on the scrap heap..."
How many years?.
Have they offered the other job to many people??
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As some know I'm in the process of being unemploymed due to no funding for my role. There is a redeployment opportunity however the job they have offered is basically at a lower grade and really a demotion and also I will have a drop in salary of £8,000. I'm very reluctant to take that job as I'm over qualified for the job and to be honest it's a soul destroying job. I just feel a bit like what the fuck do I do.... "
I would take the job while I look fr something else, a £8,000 pay drop will still be better than JSA
Good luck x |
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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago
The land of grey peas and bacon |
"I know I just feel like I've been kicked in the bollocks I've worked my arse off then to be thrown on the scrap heap...
How many years?.
Have they offered the other job to many people??
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There is 8 of us and because no fucker wants the other job/s there is enough posts for all of us  |
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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago
The land of grey peas and bacon |
"As some know I'm in the process of being unemploymed due to no funding for my role. There is a redeployment opportunity however the job they have offered is basically at a lower grade and really a demotion and also I will have a drop in salary of £8,000. I'm very reluctant to take that job as I'm over qualified for the job and to be honest it's a soul destroying job. I just feel a bit like what the fuck do I do....
I would take the job while I look fr something else, a £8,000 pay drop will still be better than JSA
Good luck x"
Actually once rent and bills have been taken out I'll be on the same as JSA but I refuse to sign on |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I would take it and then look around... it is easier to find a role when you are in on...
then negotiate your new salary once you secure a new role that is a better fit"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Did this happen last year as well?
I would take the other job but In the mean time I would also circulate my CV and look at finding another job, 8k is a big drop, but you'll still have a wage coming in and as others have said its better than signing on and receiving JSA. |
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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago
The land of grey peas and bacon |
"Did this happen last year as well?
I would take the other job but In the mean time I would also circulate my CV and look at finding another job, 8k is a big drop, but you'll still have a wage coming in and as others have said its better than signing on and receiving JSA."
Not the same situation last year but thanks for Advice |
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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago
Bristol |
My workplace is going through this currently; it was my department last year and it's still going on in others. So you have my sympathies all round. As for advice, I can't add to anything anyone's said since it's all been sensible and practical. In essence, I agree with View. Take it whilst continuing to look. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I know I just feel like I've been kicked in the bollocks I've worked my arse off then to be thrown on the scrap heap..."
That's why I think it might not be a bad idea to take the shit job, just to give you a bit of time to get your head together and make some decisions about the future. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know I just feel like I've been kicked in the bollocks I've worked my arse off then to be thrown on the scrap heap...
How many years?.
Have they offered the other job to many people??
There is 8 of us and because no fucker wants the other job/s there is enough posts for all of us "
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Ah that stops what I was going to suggest.
Is the Job in the same Location
Mine was 8 years, job relocation to Manchester which for me wasn't even an option. So eventually turned into redundancy, but that was also down to there would have been too many people for the new jobs.
It's a difficult one |
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"As some know I'm in the process of being unemploymed due to no funding for my role. There is a redeployment opportunity however the job they have offered is basically at a lower grade and really a demotion and also I will have a drop in salary of £8,000. I'm very reluctant to take that job as I'm over qualified for the job and to be honest it's a soul destroying job. I just feel a bit like what the fuck do I do.... "
sorry to hear the news chuck
If I could offer any advice, it would be to accept the job, even though its a pay drop as at least you will still have some form of income whilst you can be looking around for a different job?
Try to keep your hopes and chin up as best you can  |
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By *HaRiFMan
over a year ago
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I know I just feel like I've been kicked in the bollocks I've worked my arse off then to be thrown on the scrap heap..."
I know its hard but don't think of it like that. Its never is a personnel thing most of the time.
I got made redundant in 2011 after 12 years working for the same the company. They did offer me another role but I opted to take the money and run.
Looking back on it, for me it was the best move I made, I’m much happier now doing contracting work which I always wanted to do but never had the guts to leave my cushy job and try before.
Obviously everyone’s situation is different, but if they are offering you a lot in redundancy pay take it have a bit of time off and look for something else.
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"As some know I'm in the process of being unemploymed due to no funding for my role. There is a redeployment opportunity however the job they have offered is basically at a lower grade and really a demotion and also I will have a drop in salary of £8,000. I'm very reluctant to take that job as I'm over qualified for the job and to be honest it's a soul destroying job. I just feel a bit like what the fuck do I do....
I would take the job while I look fr something else, a £8,000 pay drop will still be better than JSA
Good luck x
Actually once rent and bills have been taken out I'll be on the same as JSA but I refuse to sign on "
Bear in mind that on JSA they'd be looking for any excuse to sanction you, JSA would probably work out to be less.
JSA is a thoroughly miserable place to be at the moment. They're actively treating people like rubbish to encourage them to sign off, their job system is mostly full of fake jobs or 2000 agency ads for the same job and sanctions are being used in a punitive way.
Definitely best worth avoiding if you can! |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"Take the job but apply for others. Unless its that bad you would rather be unemployed.
This is probably the only decision you need to make, I'm guessing you probably don't have the length of service (based on your age) that statutory redundancy would be much of a comfort. Good luck with whatever happens. And I know it sounds trite but everyone I work with that this has happened to in the past couple of years (and that's an awful lot) it has worked out ok and they've gone on to better things even if it's taken a little while x
I know I just feel like I've been kicked in the bollocks I've worked my arse off then to be thrown on the scrap heap..."
You'll have gained lot of skills and abilities by working your arse off.
As others have said, it will work out better in the end. You have the positive attitude and ability to turn this into an opportunity rather than a bad situation.
Hang in there. |
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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago
The land of grey peas and bacon |
"As some know I'm in the process of being unemploymed due to no funding for my role. There is a redeployment opportunity however the job they have offered is basically at a lower grade and really a demotion and also I will have a drop in salary of £8,000. I'm very reluctant to take that job as I'm over qualified for the job and to be honest it's a soul destroying job. I just feel a bit like what the fuck do I do....
I would take the job while I look fr something else, a £8,000 pay drop will still be better than JSA
Good luck x
Actually once rent and bills have been taken out I'll be on the same as JSA but I refuse to sign on
Bear in mind that on JSA they'd be looking for any excuse to sanction you, JSA would probably work out to be less.
JSA is a thoroughly miserable place to be at the moment. They're actively treating people like rubbish to encourage them to sign off, their job system is mostly full of fake jobs or 2000 agency ads for the same job and sanctions are being used in a punitive way.
Definitely best worth avoiding if you can!"
I know hence why I refuse to sign on ive got a rainy day fund if needed and supportive parents |
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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago
The land of grey peas and bacon |
"Take the job but apply for others. Unless its that bad you would rather be unemployed.
This is probably the only decision you need to make, I'm guessing you probably don't have the length of service (based on your age) that statutory redundancy would be much of a comfort. Good luck with whatever happens. And I know it sounds trite but everyone I work with that this has happened to in the past couple of years (and that's an awful lot) it has worked out ok and they've gone on to better things even if it's taken a little while x
I know I just feel like I've been kicked in the bollocks I've worked my arse off then to be thrown on the scrap heap...
You'll have gained lot of skills and abilities by working your arse off.
As others have said, it will work out better in the end. You have the positive attitude and ability to turn this into an opportunity rather than a bad situation.
Hang in there."
Thanks VV |
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By *educedWoman
over a year ago
Birmingham |
I feel for you. I am assuming that this is local authority?
If it is, then I was made redundant 4 years ago in the first tranches of redundancies and after 20 odd years in a specialised role (youth and community development) I was offered redeployment to Waste and Fleet Management despite no experience. I was on the bins and with an £8 grand wage reduction.
I took it and spent 4 months there. In the meantime, I looked for other work and was lucky enough to land my dream job.
Employers are more likely to want you if you're in a job. So. my advice (for what it's worth) is to hang on in there.
ACAS are really supportive (if you need further advice).
Also, as part of redeployment, check if your employee offers further training/ learning opps. I wanted to go into Event Management and they paid for a diploma course to ease transition.
Keep you chin up (easy for me to say) and I hope things work out.
PS I now work for a small charity and it's the best thing I have ever done.
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By *educedWoman
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"I feel for you. I am assuming that this is local authority?
If it is, then I was made redundant 4 years ago in the first tranches of redundancies and after 20 odd years in a specialised role (youth and community development) I was offered redeployment to Waste and Fleet Management despite no experience. I was on the bins and with an £8 grand wage reduction.
I took it and spent 4 months there. In the meantime, I looked for other work and was lucky enough to land my dream job.
Employers are more likely to want you if you're in a job. So. my advice (for what it's worth) is to hang on in there.
ACAS are really supportive (if you need further advice).
Also, as part of redeployment, check if your employee offers further training/ learning opps. I wanted to go into Event Management and they paid for a diploma course to ease transition.
Keep you chin up (easy for me to say) and I hope things work out.
PS I now work for a small charity and it's the best thing I have ever done.
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You have two options really, take the job because.it.will pay the bills until.you find what you want.or tell them to xxxx off and struggle finding a job as an unemployed person.
Only you know what your financial situation allows you.to.do.
Whatever decision.you make, make sure.you are happy abt.it xx
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I am very.sad.that you are facing such.a.bad situation. But.i.have a good feeling.that it will all turn out well. Everything happens for a reason! I am certain all will work out well xxx yoir friend Bambi.x |
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By *himaeraWoman
over a year ago
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I was in this situation last year, the company offered me another job which was effectively a demotion in my opinion. I refused the new job and went to a brilliant employment lawyer, fought the case for three months and in the end they had to offer me redundancy, and change their redundancy policies. I now have a great new job. Don't accept it, take advice - I am happy to let you have his details, he will talk to you over the phone and tell you if he thinks you should take it further. Good luck xxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Agree to it just so you have something coming in and look for something else! It is easier to get a job when you have one, catch 22 really but good luck in whatever you decide xx"
Id advise you to do the same as you have financial security while you look For another job.
You also then don't hate doing that job as much as you know it well come to an end soon enough, but on your terms.
Don't know about it being easier to find another job while you're employed though, that depends on How many hours you work. I average 75 a week and have been trying to find another job for ages, but there's Not many places open before 5am, after 8pm or on weekends unfortunately.
And the three weeks or so I get off a year come in handy to actually spend decent time with my daughter. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'd take position and look for another job! It's a step back yes, but sometimes we need to do that in order to move forward with our lives!
It's also a guaranteed pay check at the end of the day!
If you need help with a CV or covering letter for an application or how to fill criteria, I'd be happy to help. Have done this for a few people and they always get an inter_iew! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Take it hunney. This happens where I work too, but opportunities arise. A shit job is better than no job. I've seen many people take this option and then rise up the ranks again. You can still look for other jobs from a paid position. |
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I'm a civil servant and am currently in a similar situation. I may go into the redeployment pool in Apr/May, then possible redundancy after 6 months.
As I work a second job, my concern is that any redeployment could mean a travel to work area of an hour away, which would seriously impact my second job. As it wouldn't be deemed as suitable and would have an impact on my daily life, I've been informed that it can't be enforced, which is a relief.
That's why I'm thinking you won't be forced to take this other job due to the large drop in pay. You could argue that it's unsuitable perhaps? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There's just so much advice here it will probably end up being overwhelming.
So you have to do what's best for you, which will depend as much on your outlook and also how in demand your skills are.
I would agree with other posters that can be better to be in a role than not at all, but if the atmosphere at work is toxic generally then taking the lower job may not make you feel better. In those situations I think that it might be better to leave.
Whatever you do, stay or go, make the most of your free time to clear your head, then think about what's important to you and what you get satisfaction from the most.
I'm sure that you have an idea of how in demand your skills are, so let that help you decide whether to stick around. If you know you're marketable then there's always temp or contract work to bring money in whilst you look for a permanent role. Sometimes that route opens doors too.
All in all you have to try and re_iew a number of factors, but what I think is the most important thing to recognise is to give yourself time think think and breathe, as some of the anger you feel now that you feel now can affect your judgement. |
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my opinion is try finding another place if you can do in the mean time if the last resort is to take the lower payment job then take it whilst your looking elsewhere and last as long as you can on it
jsa is a pain in the arse literally and the amount of lies they tell in there offices to get you sanctioned is so stupid
the wp system is even worse they couldnt care about you there more interested in there payment than what your interested in doing
as goes for your rights your always playing on your tippey toes with jcp and the wp systems and they have one hell of a habit of trying to refute your rights on what you can and cant do to what they can and cant do |
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