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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

When u look at how ppl act there seems to be toxic level of pride in what somebody thinks.

Ppl find it hard to accept others

Is this because by accepting them they could be proved wrong.

I wish education would focus on behaviour with children alongside English and maths.

At least educate the kids to know they an option...

I guess they don't want to be seen as empty of knowledge for they may loose that respect.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think English and Maths should be a priority. It's difficult to understand points if someone has a poor grasp on the language.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can you give a specific example of this? Because I don't understand what you mean.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You're basing your theory on what evidence?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There a very nasty superiority complex in our society. Not amongst everyone, but it exists and people aren't afraid to show it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think English and Maths should be a priority. It's difficult to understand points if someone has a poor grasp on the language. "

Does everyone become a mathematician? No so why should we assume everyone can be good or understand fully the issues in language. Language was created by an individual. This person assumed every brain is the same. But it is not.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"You're basing your theory on what evidence?"

Well

Religion

Sex

Ppl need to keep quiet for they are afraid of being judged...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Children are taught behaviour at school.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Children are taught behaviour at school. "

Children see how meaningless life is in adults and follow sometimes

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Can you give a specific example of this? Because I don't understand what you mean."

Take religion and sex

Ppl need to keep quiet for they will be judged.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think English and Maths should be a priority. It's difficult to understand points if someone has a poor grasp on the language.

I use mathematics daily and I'm not a mathematician. Language is important as it allows us to communicate.

I don't know what you really want people to learn, body language? Seems weird and backwards.

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Children are taught behaviour at school. "
not schools job should be parents teaching and I stilling good behaviour in there children

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Closed minded, that's all.

Some people are put into boxes and they stay inside them. That's what society wants, for us to behave and stay in our little box and encourage everyone else to.

You're not here to live your life, you're here to fit an agenda.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People can judge, I don't really give a rats ass what some random stranger on an Internet forum thinks of me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think English and Maths should be a priority. It's difficult to understand points if someone has a poor grasp on the language.

I use mathematics daily and I'm not a mathematician. Language is important as it allows us to communicate.

I don't know what you really want people to learn, body language? Seems weird and backwards. "

Woman: why do men not understand me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"People can judge, I don't really give a rats ass what some random stranger on an Internet forum thinks of me."

Well, put your money where your mouth is.

Have a picture so the world can see u are part of this site.

We all care but neither can we do anything to stop it.

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

Why

Do birds suddenly appear, whenever Im about 4 pints into beer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think English and Maths should be a priority. It's difficult to understand points if someone has a poor grasp on the language.

I use mathematics daily and I'm not a mathematician. Language is important as it allows us to communicate.

I don't know what you really want people to learn, body language? Seems weird and backwards.

Woman: why do men not understand me.

Here we go!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think English and Maths should be a priority. It's difficult to understand points if someone has a poor grasp on the language.

I use mathematics daily and I'm not a mathematician. Language is important as it allows us to communicate.

I don't know what you really want people to learn, body language? Seems weird and backwards.

Woman: why do men not understand me.

What does that even mean?! I've never once asked that question.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think English and Maths should be a priority. It's difficult to understand points if someone has a poor grasp on the language.

I use mathematics daily and I'm not a mathematician. Language is important as it allows us to communicate.

I don't know what you really want people to learn, body language? Seems weird and backwards.

Woman: why do men not understand me.

What does that even mean?! I've never once asked that question. "

So man for u does not challenge u? U understand why he does what he does

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think English and Maths should be a priority. It's difficult to understand points if someone has a poor grasp on the language.

I use mathematics daily and I'm not a mathematician. Language is important as it allows us to communicate.

I don't know what you really want people to learn, body language? Seems weird and backwards.

Woman: why do men not understand me.

What does that even mean?! I've never once asked that question.

So man for u does not challenge u? U understand why he does what he does"

I'm sorry but I can't understand you, you're not using words properly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think English and Maths should be a priority. It's difficult to understand points if someone has a poor grasp on the language.

Language wasn't created by an individual, language has evolved over time, and continues to evolve, and it's the way that the majority use language that decided a that evolution.

I still dont understand the point your trying to get across

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

Did someone say something about being taught English in school?

Im lost now

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By *issHottieBottieWoman over a year ago

Kent

I'm confused...

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think English and Maths should be a priority. It's difficult to understand points if someone has a poor grasp on the language.

Language wasn't created by an individual, language has evolved over time, and continues to evolve, and it's the way that the majority use language that decided a that evolution.

I still dont understand the point your trying to get across"

So humans are not defined by their ability to use language so how do u define us!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think English and Maths should be a priority. It's difficult to understand points if someone has a poor grasp on the language.

I use mathematics daily and I'm not a mathematician. Language is important as it allows us to communicate.

I don't know what you really want people to learn, body language? Seems weird and backwards.

Woman: why do men not understand me.

Here we go!!"

But it's so true.

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By *lan43sumMan over a year ago

Leicester

People do seem very judgemental and often seems that the more equal our society is being made the less understanding of others we are becoming.

Education should broaden the mind and leave it, like a pair of horny lovers, wanting more.

Making firm decisions is a sign of strength -or is that only on the "Apprentice"? Is a fixed mind a closed mind?

There are no right answers. Good job we have forums to express ourselves?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm confused..."

I'm really confused.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think English and Maths should be a priority. It's difficult to understand points if someone has a poor grasp on the language.

Language wasn't created by an individual, language has evolved over time, and continues to evolve, and it's the way that the majority use language that decided a that evolution.

I still dont understand the point your trying to get across

So humans are not defined by their ability to use language so how do u define us!"

But language is a defining characteristic of the human species...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This guys a deep thinker. I think many people will struggle to understand him.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This guys a deep thinker. I think many people will struggle to understand him.

Reads more like waffling than deep thinking

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This guys a deep thinker. I think many people will struggle to understand him.

Reads more like waffling than deep thinking "

Just not going into enough details.

*shrug smilie*

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"This guys a deep thinker. I think many people will struggle to understand him.

Reads more like waffling than deep thinking "

I may well be waffling to u but isn't that really how love works....u act a certain way, somebody responds.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I do agree more should focus in behaviour in school. My mum and I were chatting about this the other day. We are both ex teachers.

Too much time is spent on telling kids what not to do.

It's far more effective to teach kids what TO do.

It's much easier for kids to follow a positive instruction than a negative.

Mine had "anti-bullying week" the other week and that week both started using bullying language on each other and one of my kids was then bullied at school for a couple of weeks until I went in to get the school to do something.

It seems they just taught them how to bully.

Instead maybe they should have focused on how to play together without leaving people out and strategies for kids to solve problems when they don't get on? And to learn tolerance and acceptance?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?"

For a post about education, it's ironic that so many of us are struggling to elucidate it.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

It's no use bleating about stuff

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I do agree more should focus in behaviour in school. My mum and I were chatting about this the other day. We are both ex teachers.

Too much time is spent on telling kids what not to do.

It's far more effective to teach kids what TO do.

It's much easier for kids to follow a positive instruction than a negative.

It seems they just taught them how to bully.

Instead maybe they should have focused on how to play together without leaving people out and strategies for kids to solve problems when they don't get on? And to learn tolerance and acceptance?

It's long been understood and accepted in animal training that positive reinforcement and a good example are far more effective than punishment and negative reinforcement.

Why it's taking so long for us to catch up in terms of human life is beyond me.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"It's no use bleating about stuff

Can't pull the wool over your eyes!

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Can you give a specific example of this? Because I don't understand what you mean.

Take religion and sex

Ppl need to keep quiet for they will be judged."

Keep quiet about religion and sex in what way specifically?

Children study religion and have sex education so unless you give details of what you mean it's difficult to engage in any discussion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This thread is hard to understand especially for me, I see an English written word but my mind reads it in welsh. The sentences don't make sense to me!

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"This thread is hard to understand especially for me, I see an English written word but my mind reads it in welsh. The sentences don't make sense to me!"

Some of the sentences don't make sense in English either, don't worry.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?"

If love conquers all, and humans say they are in love then none of the chaos should be happening. E.g arhguements, fighting. Human love is obviously flawed or not believable as something concrete or we have yet to find it. I.e. Ppl are deluding themselves to being in love

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Can you give a specific example of this? Because I don't understand what you mean.

Take religion and sex

Ppl need to keep quiet for they will be judged.

Keep quiet about religion and sex in what way specifically?

Children study religion and have sex education so unless you give details of what you mean it's difficult to engage in any discussion. "

How many woman on fabswingers reveal there face photo? This is what I meant.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I do agree more should focus in behaviour in school. My mum and I were chatting about this the other day. We are both ex teachers.

Too much time is spent on telling kids what not to do.

It's far more effective to teach kids what TO do.

It's much easier for kids to follow a positive instruction than a negative.

It seems they just taught them how to bully.

Instead maybe they should have focused on how to play together without leaving people out and strategies for kids to solve problems when they don't get on? And to learn tolerance and acceptance?

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Is love not the greatest thing? If it is why do we argue? Families argue out of pride, ppl fight with their friends because they can. Ppll right to be human is infringing upon this planet to have peace. I need not explain it was self explanatory. Some ppl are just delusional

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Can you give a specific example of this? Because I don't understand what you mean.

Take religion and sex

Ppl need to keep quiet for they will be judged.

Keep quiet about religion and sex in what way specifically?

Children study religion and have sex education so unless you give details of what you mean it's difficult to engage in any discussion.

How many woman on fabswingers reveal there face photo? This is what I meant."

Because their sex life is private and to be shared only with those they choose to share it with. Very few people, male or female, announce all the details of their sex life to their friends, family and work mates.

It's not because they are ashamed or worried about being judged, they are keeping their private life private.

Do your friends, family and co-workers all share the intimate details if their sex lives with you?

It's not just women that don't show face photos either.

They want to keep their fab life here and not have some indiscreet moron approach them in the supermarket or in the street because they recognise them.

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Can you give a specific example of this? Because I don't understand what you mean.

Take religion and sex

Ppl need to keep quiet for they will be judged.

Keep quiet about religion and sex in what way specifically?

Children study religion and have sex education so unless you give details of what you mean it's difficult to engage in any discussion.

How many woman on fabswingers reveal there face photo? This is what I meant.

It's not because they are ashamed or worried about being judged, they are keeping their private life private.

Do your friends, family and co-workers all share the intimate details if their sex lives with you?

It's not just women that don't show face photos either.

They want to keep their fab life here and not have some indiscreet moron approach them in the supermarket or in the street because they recognise them."

That's my point.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

As for love, that's a deep caring for each other. Even two people in love aren't going to agree on everything all the time.

Two minds and personalities don't suddenly meld into one because people fall in love.

Love cannot always conquer pain, tiredness, disappointment or simple, basic disagreement.

You seem to want some kind of utopia where everyone is equal, nobody competes or is better than anyone else at anything and everybody loves each other.

Life isn't like that outside of Disney.

We are wired to survive. Resources are finite and we all want them to give ourselves and our descendants the best chance of survival. It's natural that we compete with each other.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Can you give a specific example of this? Because I don't understand what you mean.

Take religion and sex

Ppl need to keep quiet for they will be judged.

Keep quiet about religion and sex in what way specifically?

Children study religion and have sex education so unless you give details of what you mean it's difficult to engage in any discussion.

How many woman on fabswingers reveal there face photo? This is what I meant.

It's not because they are ashamed or worried about being judged, they are keeping their private life private.

Do your friends, family and co-workers all share the intimate details if their sex lives with you?

It's not just women that don't show face photos either.

They want to keep their fab life here and not have some indiscreet moron approach them in the supermarket or in the street because they recognise them.

That's my point. "

No it isn't. You are suggesting women don't show face photos because they don't want to be judged for being here.

It's nothing to do with being judged.

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By *win PeaksCouple over a year ago

Northamptonshire

"People can judge, I don't really give a rats ass what some random stranger on an Internet forum thinks of me."

well if that's your attitude I'll tell you straight what i think...............what a lovely bum. Lol

Dave

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong. "

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?"

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

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By *radleyandRavenCouple over a year ago

Herts

I'm going back to bed... I can usually make sense of most things but this isn't one of them.

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By *obbytupperMan over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

I hear that there has been some super strong skunk being sold.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If love conquers all, and humans say they are in love then none of the chaos should be happening. E.g arhguements, fighting. Human love is obviously flawed or not believable as something concrete or we have yet to find it. I.e. Ppl are deluding themselves to being in love"

Altruism is you giving out love, and that's the only love you can have control of and the only love you can be sure of and feel. This is the only love that you can know is real.

No, i don't believe in karma where you get back what you give, but i do believe people get together if it benefits them to do that. Yes i do believe we have chemical reactions that make us obsessed and think we're in love, i do think experiences together and supporting each other causes a bond and then reciprocal love can grow. Do i think everyone needs that? No, no they don't. People will abuse your love, and that's the only time you can be sure their love for you isn't real.

People do love each other, but they often have their own type of love for each other.

People argue because they aren't good at expressing their own wants, or the other person doesn't listen. Doesn't mean they don't love each other though, the arguing could be the last desperate attempt at making things work, but, both people need to want it to work or else their is no point. It is hard to listen to people when they're in a rage, but you really have to try.

Chaos is ok, it's how i live my life. Without chaos you'd have routine, and with routine you lack room to change, develop and grow, you remain stagnant.

Religion is routine.

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it..."

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Altruism is you giving out love, and that's the only love you can have control of and the only love you can be sure of and feel. This is the only love that you can know is real.

People do love each other, but they often have their own type of love for each other.

Chaos is ok, it's how i live my life. Without chaos you'd have routine, and with routine you lack room to change, develop and grow, you remain stagnant.

Religion is routine."

If love does not work then I might as well be a criminal. There is no hope then...great message

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

If love does not work then I might as well be a criminal. There is no hope then...great message"

There are always Jaffa cakes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

If love does not work then I might as well be a criminal. There is no hope then...great message

There are always Jaffa cakes.

Yes there are. But Jaffna will soon be no more as it requires man to bring ingredients together. Motivation will wear out.. That's what ppl don't admit to. No one can be strong 24/7. There is a flaw in reasoning. For if man can not doom is to surely win. Man needs faith in order to stay sane.

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

If love does not work then I might as well be a criminal. There is no hope then...great message

There are always Jaffa cakes.

How specifically will motivation wear out?

Who says man needs faith?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Who says man needs faith?"

Faith Brown's husband when he has a hard on?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If love does not work then I might as well be a criminal. There is no hope then...great message

There are always Jaffa cakes.

Faith in what exactly?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values. "

Look love has killed more than belief in religion..look at the law courts and u will see that love is the driving force. What I'm asking is pols INTERPRETATION of love right. For surely if we think peace is achievable then love surely is the driving force behind it. There must be different kinds of love. A persons defines loves may not be what nature defined love to be...remember when the plane crashed into the water, we were searching for it. I guess this metaphor is what I mean. We measure things by our own standards. No one has given us a rule to measure with. The blind leading the blind. The bible is the first to bring comfort.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"People can judge, I don't really give a rats ass what some random stranger on an Internet forum thinks of me.

well if that's your attitude I'll tell you straight what i think...............what a lovely bum. Lol

Dave "

Well u do worry because u hide your face lady

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

No, love is not necessary for peace.

Love can inspire arguments and fights because it's a strong emotion.

I disagree with you that love is behind more deaths than religion. Most of the wars and genocide in the world are/were down to religion or race and had nothing to do with love.

I don't love my neighbours but I manage to live peacefully with them.

For peace we need tolerance and understanding more than love.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No, love is not necessary for peace.

Love can inspire arguments and fights because it's a strong emotion.

I disagree with you that love is behind more deaths than religion. Most of the wars and genocide in the world are/were down to religion or race and had nothing to do with love.

I don't love my neighbours but I manage to live peacefully with them.

For peace we need tolerance and understanding more than love."

I think I love you VV

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

No,I disagree, peoples cognitive belief in religion have killed more people then love. Is not religion called, "a belief" not love.

Thanks for chunking down a little.

So may I ask the question, is it religious faith you are talking about, using the context of love?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"No, love is not necessary for peace.

Love can inspire arguments and fights because it's a strong emotion.

I disagree with you that love is behind more deaths than religion. Most of the wars and genocide in the world are/were down to religion or race and had nothing to do with love.

I don't love my neighbours but I manage to live peacefully with them.

For peace we need tolerance and understanding more than love."

I think u are wrong. Why did u leave your parents love and move out? Could u not stand their idea of love controlling u. If ppl tolerated their parents love then fewer arhguements would exist for parents know u more than your neighbour...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

You say it's the blind leading the blind and yet claim the bible brings comfort? If man is the blind then the bible was written by the blind.

If I understand you correctly of course(which I doubt)

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"People can judge, I don't really give a rats ass what some random stranger on an Internet forum thinks of me.

well if that's your attitude I'll tell you straight what i think...............what a lovely bum. Lol

Dave

Well u do worry because u hide your face lady"

What? Why are you on about faces again???

I've told you why people don't show their faces. It's NOT that they care about being judged!

Anything that doesn't match what you believe goes in one ear and out the other.

Why post? You're not looking for a discussion. You're not even listening to what's being said or answering questions put to you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

You say it's the blind leading the blind and yet claim the bible brings comfort? If man is the blind then the bible was written by the blind.

If I understand you correctly of course(which I doubt)"

If u reason, either the bible was written by man (what u have said) or it was inspired by God. Which explains why no one can abs. Challenge it. For in order to do that u would need to know the purpose of life and all its ways. Ppl have faith in their own understandings. That's irony...they think that is concrete as much as an atheists for believing in an unseen god

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"People can judge, I don't really give a rats ass what some random stranger on an Internet forum thinks of me.

well if that's your attitude I'll tell you straight what i think...............what a lovely bum. Lol

Dave

Well u do worry because u hide your face lady

What? Why are you on about faces again???

I've told you why people don't show their faces. It's NOT that they care about being judged!

Anything that doesn't match what you believe goes in one ear and out the other.

Why post? You're not looking for a discussion. You're not even listening to what's being said or answering questions put to you."

I have listened but I just don't agree with it, like u don't agree with me. Kinda hypocrite..

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"No, love is not necessary for peace.

Love can inspire arguments and fights because it's a strong emotion.

I disagree with you that love is behind more deaths than religion. Most of the wars and genocide in the world are/were down to religion or race and had nothing to do with love.

I don't love my neighbours but I manage to live peacefully with them.

For peace we need tolerance and understanding more than love.

You know nothing about my parents or my family life so you're making a big assumption.

I left to go to university. I chose the best university for my subject which is why I didn't go to the local one.

I don't see what that has to do with anything.

I also don't see why you equate love with control. If you love someone you don't seek to control them.

I love my parents and they love me. I more than tolerate that. I am glad of that. However, that love does not mean there are no arguments. Sometimes those arguments arise simply because we care.

Arguments are not the same as wars though. Sure, there are crimes of passion but religion is still responsible for vastly more deaths than love.

You can have peace without love.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

You say it's the blind leading the blind and yet claim the bible brings comfort? If man is the blind then the bible was written by the blind.

If I understand you correctly of course(which I doubt)

I'm an evolutionist so I'll leave you to it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I watched the Lewis Carroll programme the other night and will self said he was a severely repressed pedophile.

I have to argue this point

Lewis Carroll was a friend to George McDonald

He believed in Jesus as a letter testifies to this.

I say to will self could it be that this belief prevented him from taking it any further. The idea of God as I know it is not to avoid problems but be able to endure them and not be tempted.

U could argue Lewis's love for Jesus did some good...

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

You say it's the blind leading the blind and yet claim the bible brings comfort? If man is the blind then the bible was written by the blind.

If I understand you correctly of course(which I doubt)

I'm an evolutionist so I'll leave you to it."

Evolution is a process. Processes work on their own or controlled. Evolution gave us cancer or we gave cancer to ourselves by how we chose to live. But this is for certain. Cancer exists. Haha

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

You say it's the blind leading the blind and yet claim the bible brings comfort? If man is the blind then the bible was written by the blind.

If I understand you correctly of course(which I doubt)

I'm an evolutionist so I'll leave you to it.

Evolution is a process. Processes work on their own or controlled. Evolution gave us cancer or we gave cancer to ourselves by how we chose to live. But this is for certain. Cancer exists. Haha"

And cancer warrants a Ha Ha?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

You say it's the blind leading the blind and yet claim the bible brings comfort? If man is the blind then the bible was written by the blind.

If I understand you correctly of course(which I doubt)

I'm an evolutionist so I'll leave you to it.

Evolution is a process. Processes work on their own or controlled. Evolution gave us cancer or we gave cancer to ourselves by how we chose to live. But this is for certain. Cancer exists. Haha

And cancer warrants a Ha Ha?

No. The haha was in response to your claim that u are a believer in evolution and yet u didn't condemn it for giving u cancer.....

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"People can judge, I don't really give a rats ass what some random stranger on an Internet forum thinks of me.

well if that's your attitude I'll tell you straight what i think...............what a lovely bum. Lol

Dave

Well u do worry because u hide your face lady

What? Why are you on about faces again???

I've told you why people don't show their faces. It's NOT that they care about being judged!

Anything that doesn't match what you believe goes in one ear and out the other.

Why post? You're not looking for a discussion. You're not even listening to what's being said or answering questions put to you.

I have listened but I just don't agree with it, like u don't agree with me. Kinda hypocrite.."

You aren't listening though and you aren't answering questions.

I've explained to you why many people choose not to show photos. You've not been able to dispute what I've said, or provide any evidence your claim is correct.

Yet a few minutes later you again state as fact that people don't show photos because they fear being judged.

NO! They value their privacy the same as everyone else. Almost NOBODY publicly announces the details of their sex life. Just because the people on here live a different lifestyle to some, why would you expect them not to value their privacy just the same?

Do your friends tell you the intimate details of their sex lives? Your family? Your work colleagues? Your neighbours? The staff in your local supermarket?

Do you think EVERYONE is ashamed and scared of being judged? Or is it just that they keep private matters PRIVATE?

Where is your evidence people don't show their faces because they are scared of being judged?

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

You say it's the blind leading the blind and yet claim the bible brings comfort? If man is the blind then the bible was written by the blind.

If I understand you correctly of course(which I doubt)

I'm an evolutionist so I'll leave you to it.

Evolution is a process. Processes work on their own or controlled. Evolution gave us cancer or we gave cancer to ourselves by how we chose to live. But this is for certain. Cancer exists. Haha"

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think English and Maths should be a priority. It's difficult to understand points if someone has a poor grasp on the language.

I use mathematics daily and I'm not a mathematician. Language is important as it allows us to communicate.

I don't know what you really want people to learn, body language? Seems weird and backwards. "

I disagree , body language and tone are extremely important in communication , I'd say 85 % of what a person actually means is in there tone e.g adding attitude or passionate emphasis to your voice .I think kids could benefit from understanding this .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

You say it's the blind leading the blind and yet claim the bible brings comfort? If man is the blind then the bible was written by the blind.

If I understand you correctly of course(which I doubt)

I'm an evolutionist so I'll leave you to it.

Evolution is a process. Processes work on their own or controlled. Evolution gave us cancer or we gave cancer to ourselves by how we chose to live. But this is for certain. Cancer exists. Haha

And cancer warrants a Ha Ha?

No. The haha was in response to your claim that u are a believer in evolution and yet u didn't condemn it for giving u cancer....."

Why would I condemn evolution? It's a natural process that we don't have control over.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think English and Maths should be a priority. It's difficult to understand points if someone has a poor grasp on the language.

I use mathematics daily and I'm not a mathematician. Language is important as it allows us to communicate.

I don't know what you really want people to learn, body language? Seems weird and backwards.

True, but is that not what ppl have chosen for themselves as how to judge ppl. They have learnt that because at the time that is all there was. A man in a gang may not know that an alternative lifestyle is available to them

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

You say it's the blind leading the blind and yet claim the bible brings comfort? If man is the blind then the bible was written by the blind.

If I understand you correctly of course(which I doubt)

I'm an evolutionist so I'll leave you to it.

Evolution is a process. Processes work on their own or controlled. Evolution gave us cancer or we gave cancer to ourselves by how we chose to live. But this is for certain. Cancer exists. Haha

And cancer warrants a Ha Ha?

No. The haha was in response to your claim that u are a believer in evolution and yet u didn't condemn it for giving u cancer....."

What would be the point of condemning evolution? It happens without waiting for our consent. We can't stop it.

If you want to waste your life shouting at the sky for being blue or at the tides for not obeying you, go ahead.

Evolution will trundle along on its own and it won't give a damn for your opinion or mine.

I don't waste effort on things not worth wasting effort on.

Although I am starting to think posting anything here is just as pointless as scolding evolution for peeing on the sofa.

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"I think English and Maths should be a priority. It's difficult to understand points if someone has a poor grasp on the language.

I use mathematics daily and I'm not a mathematician. Language is important as it allows us to communicate.

I don't know what you really want people to learn, body language? Seems weird and backwards.

65% body language, 17% tonality (why a lot of misunderstanding comes through the written word) and only 8 % of understanding comes through words.

How the studies came to this conclusion, I don't know. While the exact figures don't make sense to me, the theory does.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

You say it's the blind leading the blind and yet claim the bible brings comfort? If man is the blind then the bible was written by the blind.

If I understand you correctly of course(which I doubt)

I'm an evolutionist so I'll leave you to it.

Evolution is a process. Processes work on their own or controlled. Evolution gave us cancer or we gave cancer to ourselves by how we chose to live. But this is for certain. Cancer exists. Haha

And cancer warrants a Ha Ha?

No. The haha was in response to your claim that u are a believer in evolution and yet u didn't condemn it for giving u cancer.....

What would be the point of condemning evolution? It happens without waiting for our consent. We can't stop it.

If you want to waste your life shouting at the sky for being blue or at the tides for not obeying you, go ahead.

Evolution will trundle along on its own and it won't give a damn for your opinion or mine.

I don't waste effort on things not worth wasting effort on.

Although I am starting to think posting anything here is just as pointless as scolding evolution for peeing on the sofa. "

Mr Stephen fry condemed God for giving cancer to children. When in fact if God does not exist and evolution is what crested us then evolution is to blame. Dawkins and fry and Hitchens PRAISES evolution. Clearly they are not as clever as they all hint they are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Peace can not be achieved by force it may only be accomplished by understanding (Albert Einstine)

So children should be educated that "to them their way and to me mine"

With a moral understanding that when you sit back and let bad happen in the world without being the voice of the voiceless you are as guilty of that evil as the ones doing it .

Love , religion , wealth , race , should all be irrelevant .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

You say it's the blind leading the blind and yet claim the bible brings comfort? If man is the blind then the bible was written by the blind.

If I understand you correctly of course(which I doubt)

I'm an evolutionist so I'll leave you to it.

Evolution is a process. Processes work on their own or controlled. Evolution gave us cancer or we gave cancer to ourselves by how we chose to live. But this is for certain. Cancer exists. Haha

And cancer warrants a Ha Ha?

No. The haha was in response to your claim that u are a believer in evolution and yet u didn't condemn it for giving u cancer.....

What would be the point of condemning evolution? It happens without waiting for our consent. We can't stop it.

If you want to waste your life shouting at the sky for being blue or at the tides for not obeying you, go ahead.

Evolution will trundle along on its own and it won't give a damn for your opinion or mine.

I don't waste effort on things not worth wasting effort on.

Although I am starting to think posting anything here is just as pointless as scolding evolution for peeing on the sofa.

That's actually a really bloody good point well said .

Logic at last

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

You say it's the blind leading the blind and yet claim the bible brings comfort? If man is the blind then the bible was written by the blind.

If I understand you correctly of course(which I doubt)

I'm an evolutionist so I'll leave you to it.

Evolution is a process. Processes work on their own or controlled. Evolution gave us cancer or we gave cancer to ourselves by how we chose to live. But this is for certain. Cancer exists. Haha

And cancer warrants a Ha Ha?

No. The haha was in response to your claim that u are a believer in evolution and yet u didn't condemn it for giving u cancer.....

What would be the point of condemning evolution? It happens without waiting for our consent. We can't stop it.

If you want to waste your life shouting at the sky for being blue or at the tides for not obeying you, go ahead.

Evolution will trundle along on its own and it won't give a damn for your opinion or mine.

I don't waste effort on things not worth wasting effort on.

Although I am starting to think posting anything here is just as pointless as scolding evolution for peeing on the sofa.

Are you not able to differentiate between a sentient being and a natural process?

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately. "

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe."

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

You say it's the blind leading the blind and yet claim the bible brings comfort? If man is the blind then the bible was written by the blind.

If I understand you correctly of course(which I doubt)

I'm an evolutionist so I'll leave you to it.

Evolution is a process. Processes work on their own or controlled. Evolution gave us cancer or we gave cancer to ourselves by how we chose to live. But this is for certain. Cancer exists. Haha

And cancer warrants a Ha Ha?

No. The haha was in response to your claim that u are a believer in evolution and yet u didn't condemn it for giving u cancer.....

What would be the point of condemning evolution? It happens without waiting for our consent. We can't stop it.

If you want to waste your life shouting at the sky for being blue or at the tides for not obeying you, go ahead.

Evolution will trundle along on its own and it won't give a damn for your opinion or mine.

I don't waste effort on things not worth wasting effort on.

Although I am starting to think posting anything here is just as pointless as scolding evolution for peeing on the sofa.

Are you not able to differentiate between a sentient being and a natural process? "

Yes I can. Fact is Mr fry condemed God for giving cancer to children. Cancer exists. Either we caused cancer or evolution did. Why do u not praise your perfect evolution...u have to account for it

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Peace can not be achieved by force it may only be accomplished by understanding (Albert Einstine)

So children should be educated that "to them their way and to me mine"

With a moral understanding that when you sit back and let bad happen in the world without being the voice of the voiceless you are as guilty of that evil as the ones doing it .

Love , religion , wealth , race , should all be irrelevant . "

Exactly but athieests still follow and choose love... Yet condemn God for exactly the same stuff that humans chose to do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We've been through pride, behaviour, maths, language, religion, sex, whether men understand women, whether women understand men, what defines a human and now we're onto love.

Uh, what?

Cut to the chase, OP, what's bugging you?

How specifically do you know? - give me an example from my life.

Mmmm not to me, so explain it.

At the moment you are high chunk, gross generalisation. Example of high chunk, person goes into a shop and says, I want a thing for transport, when they actually want a wheel nut.

Why is a value question, chunk down, be more specific, what are you wanting to get across, give examples and then you will become clearer as to your meaning, well for me.

I can't be more specific or more understanding. Look to love. If love does not heal then we have it wrong.

If love doesn't heal what?

How have we got it wrong?

If love is the greatest thing that humans can experience then it must be responsible for destroying hate ang getting justice. Our idea of love has failed, it lets ppl fight.

Love kills ppl in our world everyday

One explanation is that some ppl are delusional and have not truly found it...

OK, what makes you think love is cognitive?

By this I mean, hate is a cognitive response to a value being crossed.

What would happen if love was not one value, it was a myriad of core values and responses.

Core values a motivational drivers, however the beliefs that support them are not and I suspect you are talking about personal, individual beliefs, not love, the values.

Now beliefs, that is what things like religion and wars are based on, not values.

You say it's the blind leading the blind and yet claim the bible brings comfort? If man is the blind then the bible was written by the blind.

If I understand you correctly of course(which I doubt)

I'm an evolutionist so I'll leave you to it.

Evolution is a process. Processes work on their own or controlled. Evolution gave us cancer or we gave cancer to ourselves by how we chose to live. But this is for certain. Cancer exists. Haha

And cancer warrants a Ha Ha?

No. The haha was in response to your claim that u are a believer in evolution and yet u didn't condemn it for giving u cancer.....

What would be the point of condemning evolution? It happens without waiting for our consent. We can't stop it.

If you want to waste your life shouting at the sky for being blue or at the tides for not obeying you, go ahead.

Evolution will trundle along on its own and it won't give a damn for your opinion or mine.

I don't waste effort on things not worth wasting effort on.

Although I am starting to think posting anything here is just as pointless as scolding evolution for peeing on the sofa.

Are you not able to differentiate between a sentient being and a natural process?

Yes I can. Fact is Mr fry condemed God for giving cancer to children. Cancer exists. Either we caused cancer or evolution did. Why do u not praise your perfect evolution...u have to account for it"

Did I say Evolution was perfect? Why would I praise or condemn it? I simply believe it to be true.

Account for it to who??

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Mr Stephen fry condemed God for giving cancer to children. When in fact if God does not exist and evolution is what crested us then evolution is to blame. Dawkins and fry and Hitchens PRAISES evolution. Clearly they are not as clever as they all hint they are."

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Evolution is an amazing process. Sometimes mutations and mistakes occur. The human body is incredible and complex and sometimes things go wrong. Neither evolution nor the body does these things deliberately.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

If the wind, a natural system, blows my bin over and makes a mess, it's not deliberate and there would be no point at all going out and shouting at the wind for doing it, or expecting it to clear up the mess.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

Why does Stephen fry assume that God caused it?when cancer could be like u said a product of life....why condemn god

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

I can prove people go to church. That's religion. The belief.

The basis for it is what's unproven.

Pedantic, probably, but this thread has rather got me into that mindset, sorry!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

Fry was asked a hypothetical question about what he would say to God if he met him.

There was no contradiction there. He didn't dispute the fact that evolution has caused cancer, he merely face a hypothetical answer to the hypothetical question i.e. why would a just God cause children to suffer from cancer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

Extremely well put

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Fry was asked a hypothetical question about what he would say to God if he met him.

Gave not face!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

I can prove people go to church. That's religion. The belief.

The basis for it is what's unproven.

Pedantic, probably, but this thread has rather got me into that mindset, sorry!"

Religion covers more than the church. Church is specific to Christianity. Religion is merely a title. McEnroe is religeous about tennis preaching it to everyone he meets, spreading the word

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

Why does Stephen fry assume that God caused it?when cancer could be like u said a product of life....why condemn god"

BECAUSE HE WAS ASKED TO IMAGINE GOD EXISTS.

If God is all knowing and all powerful, IF he exists he should be able to fix cancer even if he didn't cause it. So Stephen Fry considers that IF God exists, he is a cruel God.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

Why does Stephen fry assume that God caused it?when cancer could be like u said a product of life....why condemn god"

I suggest you re read what you were replying to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nobody's ever claimed evolution is perfect? It's a scientific explanation to try and explain some unanswered questions people have. When we figure out how it works, then we question whether we should interfere in it, and then try to can figure out how to.

Evolution's enough to keep us going, and that's all we need, even without a purpose.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

I can prove people go to church. That's religion. The belief.

The basis for it is what's unproven.

Pedantic, probably, but this thread has rather got me into that mindset, sorry!

Religion covers more than the church. Church is specific to Christianity. Religion is merely a title. McEnroe is religeous about tennis preaching it to everyone he meets, spreading the word"

You miss the point.

Religion is belief. It's possible to prove that exists.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

Why does Stephen fry assume that God caused it?when cancer could be like u said a product of life....why condemn god

BECAUSE HE WAS ASKED TO IMAGINE GOD EXISTS.

If God is all knowing and all powerful, IF he exists he should be able to fix cancer even if he didn't cause it. So Stephen Fry considers that IF God exists, he is a cruel God."

I think you're wasting your breath. Facts seem to be ignored if they don't fit the agenda.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Nobody's ever claimed evolution is perfect? It's a scientific explanation to try and explain some unanswered questions people have. When we figure out how it works, then we question whether we should interfere in it, and then try to can figure out how to.

Evolution's enough to keep us going, and that's all we need, even without a purpose."

What u are all forgetting. If evolution is responsible. It is responsible for everything that we have become. If evolution is not a being then it gave us the act of being delusional

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

Why does Stephen fry assume that God caused it?when cancer could be like u said a product of life....why condemn god

BECAUSE HE WAS ASKED TO IMAGINE GOD EXISTS.

If God is all knowing and all powerful, IF he exists he should be able to fix cancer even if he didn't cause it. So Stephen Fry considers that IF God exists, he is a cruel God.

I think you're wasting your breath. Facts seem to be ignored if they don't fit the agenda."

See the Tennis thread for further proof!

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

Why does Stephen fry assume that God caused it?when cancer could be like u said a product of life....why condemn god

I suggest you re read what you were replying to. "

He's not reading anything that conflicts with his beliefs. He's seeing what he wants to see. He's not actually considering what's being said and trying to construct a counter argument. He's just reiterating his opinion, without evidence, and adding bizarre unrelated analogies.

I don't think he's actually capable of comprehending or considering an opposing or alternate view point.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Evolution's enough to keep us going, and that's all we need, even without a purpose.

What u are all forgetting. If evolution is responsible. It is responsible for everything that we have become. If evolution is not a being then it gave us the act of being delusional"

Evolution gave you the tools, It's up to you how you choose to use them.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

In a nutshell!

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

Why does Stephen fry assume that God caused it?when cancer could be like u said a product of life....why condemn god

BECAUSE HE WAS ASKED TO IMAGINE GOD EXISTS.

If God is all knowing and all powerful, IF he exists he should be able to fix cancer even if he didn't cause it. So Stephen Fry considers that IF God exists, he is a cruel God.

I think you're wasting your breath. Facts seem to be ignored if they don't fit the agenda."

Agreed!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

I can prove people go to church. That's religion. The belief.

The basis for it is what's unproven.

Pedantic, probably, but this thread has rather got me into that mindset, sorry!

Religion covers more than the church. Church is specific to Christianity. Religion is merely a title. McEnroe is religeous about tennis preaching it to everyone he meets, spreading the word

You miss the point.

Religion is belief. It's possible to prove that exists."

Stephen fry is married. Marriage is faith based. U tell by the action of others. If u accept for love why do u reject the evidence of love when u see a happy person in church jumping up and down. Hypocrites

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

Why does Stephen fry assume that God caused it?when cancer could be like u said a product of life....why condemn god

I suggest you re read what you were replying to.

I don't think he's actually capable of comprehending or considering an opposing or alternate view point."

Well he did say man was blind

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

Why does Stephen fry assume that God caused it?when cancer could be like u said a product of life....why condemn god

I suggest you re read what you were replying to.

I don't think he's actually capable of comprehending or considering an opposing or alternate view point."

If only beliefs could be proven true.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Evolution's enough to keep us going, and that's all we need, even without a purpose.

What u are all forgetting. If evolution is responsible. It is responsible for everything that we have become. If evolution is not a being then it gave us the act of being delusional

Evolution gave you the tools, It's up to you how you choose to use them. "

The Good Samaritan

Pole mock it. Your own advice really sends up athieests everywhere

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

I can prove people go to church. That's religion. The belief.

The basis for it is what's unproven.

Pedantic, probably, but this thread has rather got me into that mindset, sorry!

Religion covers more than the church. Church is specific to Christianity. Religion is merely a title. McEnroe is religeous about tennis preaching it to everyone he meets, spreading the word

You miss the point.

Religion is belief. It's possible to prove that exists.

Do you know the ins and outs of the vows? Maybe his partner or family are religious and he did it out of love/respect for them. You're making a full judgement based on one fact!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

Why does Stephen fry assume that God caused it?when cancer could be like u said a product of life....why condemn god

I suggest you re read what you were replying to.

I don't think he's actually capable of comprehending or considering an opposing or alternate view point.

Well he did say man was blind

I could accuse u of doing the same buddy. In fact I did listen but I chose to disregard it for to me it was not right. And basically that is what humans do. U accuse Christians to be sheep for the Lord when u want me to be sheep to your views. Kinda arrogant and hypocritical. Haha

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

I can prove people go to church. That's religion. The belief.

The basis for it is what's unproven.

Pedantic, probably, but this thread has rather got me into that mindset, sorry!

Religion covers more than the church. Church is specific to Christianity. Religion is merely a title. McEnroe is religeous about tennis preaching it to everyone he meets, spreading the word

You miss the point.

Religion is belief. It's possible to prove that exists.

What on earth are you on about now?

Are you trying to claim we've said we don't believe in love?

You've now turned that religion can be proven but the basis of religion can't, into something totally different about love and marriage.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

I can prove people go to church. That's religion. The belief.

The basis for it is what's unproven.

Pedantic, probably, but this thread has rather got me into that mindset, sorry!

Religion covers more than the church. Church is specific to Christianity. Religion is merely a title. McEnroe is religeous about tennis preaching it to everyone he meets, spreading the word

You miss the point.

Religion is belief. It's possible to prove that exists.

Do you know the ins and outs of the vows? Maybe his partner or family are religious and he did it out of love/respect for them. You're making a full judgement based on one fact!!"

No. Dawkins and fry are leading athieests who reject faith as pointless. They are married...intelligent beings. I think not

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

I can prove people go to church. That's religion. The belief.

The basis for it is what's unproven.

Pedantic, probably, but this thread has rather got me into that mindset, sorry!

Religion covers more than the church. Church is specific to Christianity. Religion is merely a title. McEnroe is religeous about tennis preaching it to everyone he meets, spreading the word

You miss the point.

Religion is belief. It's possible to prove that exists.

What on earth are you on about now?

Are you trying to claim we've said we don't believe in love?

You've now turned that religion can be proven but the basis of religion can't, into something totally different about love and marriage."

No I haven't. Belief in God is faith. Belief in your partner to say I love u and mean it is faith. The contradiction lies with u

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

Why does Stephen fry assume that God caused it?when cancer could be like u said a product of life....why condemn god

I suggest you re read what you were replying to.

I don't think he's actually capable of comprehending or considering an opposing or alternate view point.

If only beliefs could be proven true. "

Sometimes they are. At one point someone believed the world is round. Once it's proven it's not a belief any longer.

There are usually reasons why we believe what we do though and we can explain our thinking and the experiences, influences and observations that lead us to that belief.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

Why does Stephen fry assume that God caused it?when cancer could be like u said a product of life....why condemn god

I suggest you re read what you were replying to.

I don't think he's actually capable of comprehending or considering an opposing or alternate view point.

Well he did say man was blind

I accused no one of anything of the sort and I certainly never preached evolution. I simply stated my point of view and answered the questions you asked. There's only one person preaching here and it certainly isn't me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

Why does Stephen fry assume that God caused it?when cancer could be like u said a product of life....why condemn god

I suggest you re read what you were replying to.

I don't think he's actually capable of comprehending or considering an opposing or alternate view point.

Well he did say man was blind

I did not say u did. U responded to someone, I was responding to him, your text was evolved because I could not find the original person. Look to the text where u said, well, he did say ppl are blind...

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

I can prove people go to church. That's religion. The belief.

The basis for it is what's unproven.

Pedantic, probably, but this thread has rather got me into that mindset, sorry!

Religion covers more than the church. Church is specific to Christianity. Religion is merely a title. McEnroe is religeous about tennis preaching it to everyone he meets, spreading the word

You miss the point.

Religion is belief. It's possible to prove that exists.

What on earth are you on about now?

Are you trying to claim we've said we don't believe in love?

You've now turned that religion can be proven but the basis of religion can't, into something totally different about love and marriage.

No I haven't. Belief in God is faith. Belief in your partner to say I love u and mean it is faith. The contradiction lies with u"

So now if you have faith in one thing (that your partner loves you) you have to have faith in everything else?

There is no contradiction at all between believing someone loves me and not believing in God.

There is no relationship between someone loving me and God.

And yes, you did go off on a total tangent and start a totally different argument from the one on religion can be proven, the basis for religion can't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

I can prove people go to church. That's religion. The belief.

The basis for it is what's unproven.

Pedantic, probably, but this thread has rather got me into that mindset, sorry!

Religion covers more than the church. Church is specific to Christianity. Religion is merely a title. McEnroe is religeous about tennis preaching it to everyone he meets, spreading the word

You miss the point.

Religion is belief. It's possible to prove that exists.

What on earth are you on about now?

Are you trying to claim we've said we don't believe in love?

You've now turned that religion can be proven but the basis of religion can't, into something totally different about love and marriage.

No I haven't. Belief in God is faith. Belief in your partner to say I love u and mean it is faith. The contradiction lies with u

So now if you have faith in one thing (that your partner loves you) you have to have faith in everything else?

There is no contradiction at all between believing someone loves me and not believing in God.

There is no relationship between someone loving me and God.

And yes, you did go off on a total tangent and start a totally different argument from the one on religion can be proven, the basis for religion can't. "

Jings. My point is this. Athieests say faith is poibtless and stupid. It was not be who said. I used marriage because it is all about faith. And if two of the leading atheists are married, it questions how they view love...u have to trust your partner and have faith in them. Faith is important. Yes, I believe that. Fry is being contradictory

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Evolution's enough to keep us going, and that's all we need, even without a purpose.

What u are all forgetting. If evolution is responsible. It is responsible for everything that we have become. If evolution is not a being then it gave us the act of being delusional"

Yes it is responsible, imo. Evolution means development. Things change, and that's natural. I believe in the natural, you believe in the supernatural.

I don't blame anything on your your God, and neither does anyone else who does not believe in Him. I don't even believe God exists, i don't even have the mental capacity to understand what your god is, and i sure won't wait around for him to fix things for me.

Delusional? Maybe. But everything we do, everything we base our lives on, is fundamentally faith anyway. Faith in ourselves, faith in chance, faith that we're even real and everything we can sense is, or faith in a God who will be there for us.

You take attacks on God as personal. I can understand that, after all you have chosen to accept him and treat him as family, as a mentor, as your father. But not everyone else chooses this and you won't change their mind while their faith makes more sense than the one you choose to follow.

We sense and feel something you don't and you sense and feel something we don't.

You can't blame atheists for the lack of morals in this world, you can't blame us for the wars, or the poverty, or the starvation, or anything else that is evil. Your God has committed evil acts and he created us in his form, all the while saying we should follow him but not act like him. Your God allowed us freedom of will and freedom of choice, knowing we might take that option. If He does exist He understands why. If i'm gonna be punished for it then He will be the one who punishes me.

I have rationalised religion as not real. If i'm wrong it doesn't matter to you. your job is to just love me for who i am and let your God deal with me as he sees fit.

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

You've twisted that a bit to suit your rather strange agenda.

Stephen Fry does not believe in God but was asked IF God exists, what he would say to him. He said that IF God exists he would condemn him for causing cancer. He was asked to imagine God exists.

Say a sentient entity - a person - pushes my bin over and makes a mess. They did it deliberately and I can blame them for that.

Why does Stephen fry assume that God caused it?when cancer could be like u said a product of life....why condemn god

I suggest you re read what you were replying to.

I don't think he's actually capable of comprehending or considering an opposing or alternate view point.

If only beliefs could be proven true.

Sometimes they are. At one point someone believed the world is round. Once it's proven it's not a belief any longer.

There are usually reasons why we believe what we do though and we can explain our thinking and the experiences, influences and observations that lead us to that belief."

Once proven they become fact - no longer fiction, true.

However, the belief that the world was flat, while stabilising a chaotic world did suppress human evolution to some degree.

Now,the world is flat, it's in the Museum of Old Beliefs along with the tooth fairy who helped young children not to be scare of their teeth falling out.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

I can prove people go to church. That's religion. The belief.

The basis for it is what's unproven.

Pedantic, probably, but this thread has rather got me into that mindset, sorry!

Religion covers more than the church. Church is specific to Christianity. Religion is merely a title. McEnroe is religeous about tennis preaching it to everyone he meets, spreading the word

You miss the point.

Religion is belief. It's possible to prove that exists.

What on earth are you on about now?

Are you trying to claim we've said we don't believe in love?

You've now turned that religion can be proven but the basis of religion can't, into something totally different about love and marriage.

No I haven't. Belief in God is faith. Belief in your partner to say I love u and mean it is faith. The contradiction lies with u

So now if you have faith in one thing (that your partner loves you) you have to have faith in everything else?

There is no contradiction at all between believing someone loves me and not believing in God.

There is no relationship between someone loving me and God.

And yes, you did go off on a total tangent and start a totally different argument from the one on religion can be proven, the basis for religion can't. "

Fry thinks faith is a waste of time. No good came of it. But the ceremony of marriage is just they. It is all about faith. In fact in the bible the relationship between God and man is seen as a bride and groom

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

I can prove people go to church. That's religion. The belief.

The basis for it is what's unproven.

Pedantic, probably, but this thread has rather got me into that mindset, sorry!

Religion covers more than the church. Church is specific to Christianity. Religion is merely a title. McEnroe is religeous about tennis preaching it to everyone he meets, spreading the word

You miss the point.

Religion is belief. It's possible to prove that exists.

What on earth are you on about now?

Are you trying to claim we've said we don't believe in love?

You've now turned that religion can be proven but the basis of religion can't, into something totally different about love and marriage.

No I haven't. Belief in God is faith. Belief in your partner to say I love u and mean it is faith. The contradiction lies with u

So now if you have faith in one thing (that your partner loves you) you have to have faith in everything else?

There is no contradiction at all between believing someone loves me and not believing in God.

There is no relationship between someone loving me and God.

And yes, you did go off on a total tangent and start a totally different argument from the one on religion can be proven, the basis for religion can't.

Which is a metaphor, much like Fry's marriage me thinks.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Evolution's enough to keep us going, and that's all we need, even without a purpose.

What u are all forgetting. If evolution is responsible. It is responsible for everything that we have become. If evolution is not a being then it gave us the act of being delusional

Yes it is responsible, imo. Evolution means development. Things change, and that's natural. I believe in the natural, you believe in the supernatural.

We sense and feel something you don't and you sense and feel something we don't.

I have rationalised religion as not real. If i'm wrong it doesn't matter to you. your job is to just love me for who i am and let your God deal with me as he sees fit.

Ppl don't believe in God because they accuse him of cancer as Stephen fry said. But if u still praise evolution and know that it gave u cancer then what is stopping u from believing in God...u yourself said evolution gave cancer and accepted this

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Evolution's enough to keep us going, and that's all we need, even without a purpose.

What u are all forgetting. If evolution is responsible. It is responsible for everything that we have become. If evolution is not a being then it gave us the act of being delusional

Yes it is responsible, imo. Evolution means development. Things change, and that's natural. I believe in the natural, you believe in the supernatural.

We sense and feel something you don't and you sense and feel something we don't.

I have rationalised religion as not real. If i'm wrong it doesn't matter to you. your job is to just love me for who i am and let your God deal with me as he sees fit.

What if the ppl got killed in the bible were ppl like IS?

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

Evolution's enough to keep us going, and that's all we need, even without a purpose.

What u are all forgetting. If evolution is responsible. It is responsible for everything that we have become. If evolution is not a being then it gave us the act of being delusional

Yes it is responsible, imo. Evolution means development. Things change, and that's natural. I believe in the natural, you believe in the supernatural.

We sense and feel something you don't and you sense and feel something we don't.

I have rationalised religion as not real. If i'm wrong it doesn't matter to you. your job is to just love me for who i am and let your God deal with me as he sees fit.

What people?

You are quoting lost performatives, give me an example please.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Evolution's enough to keep us going, and that's all we need, even without a purpose.

What u are all forgetting. If evolution is responsible. It is responsible for everything that we have become. If evolution is not a being then it gave us the act of being delusional

Yes it is responsible, imo. Evolution means development. Things change, and that's natural. I believe in the natural, you believe in the supernatural.

We sense and feel something you don't and you sense and feel something we don't.

I have rationalised religion as not real. If i'm wrong it doesn't matter to you. your job is to just love me for who i am and let your God deal with me as he sees fit.

Stephen Fry answered a hypothetical question, he doesn't blame God because he doesn't believe in God!! Cancer isn't the reason people don't believe God, What gave you that idea?

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

I can prove people go to church. That's religion. The belief.

The basis for it is what's unproven.

Pedantic, probably, but this thread has rather got me into that mindset, sorry!

Religion covers more than the church. Church is specific to Christianity. Religion is merely a title. McEnroe is religeous about tennis preaching it to everyone he meets, spreading the word

You miss the point.

Religion is belief. It's possible to prove that exists.

What on earth are you on about now?

Are you trying to claim we've said we don't believe in love?

You've now turned that religion can be proven but the basis of religion can't, into something totally different about love and marriage.

No I haven't. Belief in God is faith. Belief in your partner to say I love u and mean it is faith. The contradiction lies with u

So now if you have faith in one thing (that your partner loves you) you have to have faith in everything else?

There is no contradiction at all between believing someone loves me and not believing in God.

There is no relationship between someone loving me and God.

And yes, you did go off on a total tangent and start a totally different argument from the one on religion can be proven, the basis for religion can't.

Your point is not related to the post you replied to though! You completely went off on a tangent. And not for the first time.

This is (partly) why people are having difficulty understanding you.

And I've explained why Stephen Fry was not contradicting himself.

Show me where anyone here has said faith is pointless and stupid.

People have said they don't believe in God which is not the same as saying faith is pointless. As you've already pointed out, it's possible to have faith in things other than God.

Unless Stephen Fry's partner is God then him having faith in his partner has no connection to God.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Evolution's enough to keep us going, and that's all we need, even without a purpose.

What u are all forgetting. If evolution is responsible. It is responsible for everything that we have become. If evolution is not a being then it gave us the act of being delusional

Yes it is responsible, imo. Evolution means development. Things change, and that's natural. I believe in the natural, you believe in the supernatural.

We sense and feel something you don't and you sense and feel something we don't.

I have rationalised religion as not real. If i'm wrong it doesn't matter to you. your job is to just love me for who i am and let your God deal with me as he sees fit.

Well, God does matter. Do u believe in justice? Do u believe punishment will be given if someone shot a friend? Atheists stll believe in justice but who will carry it out if there is no God.

Justice requires man to sacrifice himself to speak up. I see the news and they turn their heads the other way

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

Evolution's enough to keep us going, and that's all we need, even without a purpose.

What u are all forgetting. If evolution is responsible. It is responsible for everything that we have become. If evolution is not a being then it gave us the act of being delusional

Yes it is responsible, imo. Evolution means development. Things change, and that's natural. I believe in the natural, you believe in the supernatural.

We sense and feel something you don't and you sense and feel something we don't.

I have rationalised religion as not real. If i'm wrong it doesn't matter to you. your job is to just love me for who i am and let your God deal with me as he sees fit.

What if the ppl got killed in the bible were ppl like IS?

A lot of the people that got killed in the bible WERE like IS.

The old testament God is almost identical in philosophy and his idea of retribution to IS!

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

Evolution's enough to keep us going, and that's all we need, even without a purpose.

What u are all forgetting. If evolution is responsible. It is responsible for everything that we have become. If evolution is not a being then it gave us the act of being delusional

Yes it is responsible, imo. Evolution means development. Things change, and that's natural. I believe in the natural, you believe in the supernatural.

We sense and feel something you don't and you sense and feel something we don't.

I have rationalised religion as not real. If i'm wrong it doesn't matter to you. your job is to just love me for who i am and let your God deal with me as he sees fit.

Well, God does matter. Do u believe in justice? Do u believe punishment will be given if someone shot a friend? Atheists stll believe in justice but who will carry it out if there is no God.

Justice requires man to sacrifice himself to speak up. I see the news and they turn their heads the other way"

Who turns their head the other way?

Please give me an example.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

I can prove people go to church. That's religion. The belief.

The basis for it is what's unproven.

Pedantic, probably, but this thread has rather got me into that mindset, sorry!

Religion covers more than the church. Church is specific to Christianity. Religion is merely a title. McEnroe is religeous about tennis preaching it to everyone he meets, spreading the word

You miss the point.

Religion is belief. It's possible to prove that exists.

What on earth are you on about now?

Are you trying to claim we've said we don't believe in love?

You've now turned that religion can be proven but the basis of religion can't, into something totally different about love and marriage.

No I haven't. Belief in God is faith. Belief in your partner to say I love u and mean it is faith. The contradiction lies with u

So now if you have faith in one thing (that your partner loves you) you have to have faith in everything else?

There is no contradiction at all between believing someone loves me and not believing in God.

There is no relationship between someone loving me and God.

And yes, you did go off on a total tangent and start a totally different argument from the one on religion can be proven, the basis for religion can't.

Your point is not related to the post you replied to though! You completely went off on a tangent. And not for the first time.

This is (partly) why people are having difficulty understanding you.

And I've explained why Stephen Fry was not contradicting himself.

Show me where anyone here has said faith is pointless and stupid.

People have said they don't believe in God which is not the same as saying faith is pointless. As you've already pointed out, it's possible to have faith in things other than God.

Unless Stephen Fry's partner is God then him having faith in his partner has no connection to God."

If Stephen fry can have faith haha that this dude loves him and u accept it why do u reject ppl jumping up and down in church and claim to feel gods love?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just out of curiosity though! If you are indeed as religious as you come across why are you on this site? Pretty sure the Bible is very much against this kind of malarkey.

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By *SweetVioletxWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

Christ there are times I wish I never started reading a thread.

It's noon and I need a drink.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Just a quick note here on "hypocrite" Stephen Fry's marriage.

He was married in a register office and there was nothing religious about it at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ppl don't believe in God because they accuse him of cancer as Stephen fry said. But if u still praise evolution and know that it gave u cancer then what is stopping u from believing in God...u yourself said evolution gave cancer and accepted this

People don't become atheist because the world is horrible or they've had a bad time, that might make them question their faith but they will not stop following something if they truly believe in it.

I see many people asking for prayers when they need help and are struggling, they don't stop following God, they ask their kind to help them and strengthen their faith.

I have never been brought up in religion btw, so have always been atheist. I never made the choice to believe in a God, so i never lost faith- i also never found it.

I'm very into science, especially genetics, eugenics, the history and what we're learning all the time. It's not my God, i just love learning, am very nosey and like discovering things, like seeing how things work. I do see good arguments for gods and religions but they've never persuaded me yet to believe. Learning might be my god, knowledge might be a sin, but i didn't choose your way of life.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Evolution's enough to keep us going, and that's all we need, even without a purpose.

What u are all forgetting. If evolution is responsible. It is responsible for everything that we have become. If evolution is not a being then it gave us the act of being delusional

Yes it is responsible, imo. Evolution means development. Things change, and that's natural. I believe in the natural, you believe in the supernatural.

We sense and feel something you don't and you sense and feel something we don't.

I have rationalised religion as not real. If i'm wrong it doesn't matter to you. your job is to just love me for who i am and let your God deal with me as he sees fit.

What if the ppl got killed in the bible were ppl like IS?

A lot of the people that got killed in the bible WERE like IS.

The old testament God is almost identical in philosophy and his idea of retribution to IS!

Do u think ppl are evil. I do. If someone created us then they have the right to destroy for do we want the right to kill someone who breaks into our house and hurt our family?

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Yes cancer has been proven to exist, religion hasn't unfortunately.

Oh religion definitely exists. As yet, however, there's nothing to prove there is any real basis to the things most religions teach and people believe.

Agreed, that's why I used the word proven.

I can prove people go to church. That's religion. The belief.

The basis for it is what's unproven.

Pedantic, probably, but this thread has rather got me into that mindset, sorry!

Religion covers more than the church. Church is specific to Christianity. Religion is merely a title. McEnroe is religeous about tennis preaching it to everyone he meets, spreading the word

You miss the point.

Religion is belief. It's possible to prove that exists.

What on earth are you on about now?

Are you trying to claim we've said we don't believe in love?

You've now turned that religion can be proven but the basis of religion can't, into something totally different about love and marriage.

No I haven't. Belief in God is faith. Belief in your partner to say I love u and mean it is faith. The contradiction lies with u

So now if you have faith in one thing (that your partner loves you) you have to have faith in everything else?

There is no contradiction at all between believing someone loves me and not believing in God.

There is no relationship between someone loving me and God.

And yes, you did go off on a total tangent and start a totally different argument from the one on religion can be proven, the basis for religion can't.

Your point is not related to the post you replied to though! You completely went off on a tangent. And not for the first time.

This is (partly) why people are having difficulty understanding you.

And I've explained why Stephen Fry was not contradicting himself.

Show me where anyone here has said faith is pointless and stupid.

People have said they don't believe in God which is not the same as saying faith is pointless. As you've already pointed out, it's possible to have faith in things other than God.

Unless Stephen Fry's partner is God then him having faith in his partner has no connection to God.

If Stephen fry can have faith haha that this dude loves him and u accept it why do u reject ppl jumping up and down in church and claim to feel gods love?"

Loving other people and loving God are separate things. You can do one without the other.

Stephen Fry's marriage was non-religious and nothing to do with God.