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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'd say that you wouldn't be classed as a smoker but I'd also add something in you're profile to state that you use a e-cig.
Hex"
Thanks Hex, my Dr will be pleased but we'll see how it goes I've tried 5 different ones already |
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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago
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Champix can have some very nasty side effects. I suffered from extreme bloating and a LOT of sulphurous burps. Very unpleasant for those around you. I had to stop taking it in the end and it still took 5 weeks to get out of my system. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I might give that a miss, I was reading page after page of side affects, nausea, wild dreams, feeling out if it etc, I drive 20 miles to work everyday and work with numbers so feeling out of it for maybe weeks is a definite no no for me.
I'll have a word with my Dr though, not going to rule it out just yet |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Champix can have some very nasty side effects. I suffered from extreme bloating and a LOT of sulphurous burps. Very unpleasant for those around you. I had to stop taking it in the end and it still took 5 weeks to get out of my system. "
I haven't got to those side affects yet ?? |
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By *ina75Woman
over a year ago
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"I'd say that you wouldn't be classed as a smoker but I'd also add something in you're profile to state that you use a e-cig.
Hex"
Agreed you can change your status to non smoker, but do mention it before a meet as some people with bad asthma are still affected by the vapour as if it were smoke, and might not cope with you using it near them. |
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By *ina75Woman
over a year ago
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No problems hun, I managed it 6 months ago, started by replacing certain cigs in the daytime with ecig, til I got to the stage I was only smoking real cigs first thing in the morning, and when I got home from work. At that point, I used patches with ecig to stop smoking properly, then 2 weeks later stopped using patches. Now only use ecig first thing, lunchtime and evenings.
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By *oconut2Woman
over a year ago
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I stopped using my vapour cig after a few months because I had more mouth ulcers than I've had in my whole life, the doctor said it was probably because I'd got some of the liquid in my mouth, not had any more problems since I stopped using it 7 months ago |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I might give that a miss, I was reading page after page of side affects, nausea, wild dreams, feeling out if it etc, I drive 20 miles to work everyday and work with numbers so feeling out of it for maybe weeks is a definite no no for me.
I'll have a word with my Dr though, not going to rule it out just yet "
Yes, there is a long list of side effects but it doesn't mean you will get them. Both Hex and I used Champix and had no side effects at all. We just made the mistake of thinking we could social smoke after stopping for 4 months 
Tried e-cigs and I didn't sleep for 3 days 
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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A lot of folk are doing that at work Gina? might be the way forward.
Coconut, I bet that was a pain, I'm like you have hardly had any in my life, guess I'll smoke the liquid rather than drink it lol |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I might give that a miss, I was reading page after page of side affects, nausea, wild dreams, feeling out if it etc, I drive 20 miles to work everyday and work with numbers so feeling out of it for maybe weeks is a definite no no for me.
I'll have a word with my Dr though, not going to rule it out just yet
Yes, there is a long list of side effects but it doesn't mean you will get them. Both Hex and I used Champix and had no side effects at all. We just made the mistake of thinking we could social smoke after stopping for 4 months
Tried e-cigs and I didn't sleep for 3 days
Hids"
What happened when you had a social smoke ?
As for side affects, I know it doesn't affect everyone but I might be more prone to some, but not going into that on an open forum |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"i gave up smoking 15 jan last year with e cigs ....used a company called flavour vapour...no side effects and i had been a heavy smoker for over 30 years ...good luck !!"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I stopped using my vapour cig after a few months because I had more mouth ulcers than I've had in my whole life, the doctor said it was probably because I'd got some of the liquid in my mouth, not had any more problems since I stopped using it 7 months ago "
And have you stopped smokeing ? I,m a non- smoker myself but I do appreciate The fact that giveing up smokeing without help is almost Impossible with withdrawal Issues Being the main Issue only by being Mentally strong and true to yourself Would you perhaps get round this and Depending on how long you had been Smokeing, is nicotine,s dependancy anything like a A class drug surely not but seems so from what I hear, The Main driver here to give them up has To be "the sense of achievement" in Doing so yourself and that must be Worth more than any pack of fags and Look at the benefits after, I hope yourself and anyone else who tries to Stop smokeing can and stick in there.. |
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I've been vaping for four years now after a 30 year 30 a day rollup habit. It took a little while to find the right device for me, and the technology has improved over the years too.
I currently use a Vivi Nova. The wicks/coils only cost £1 each and can be washed, dry burned and re-used. Being a heavy vaper, they last me about a month (I have 3 on the go, one in isopropyl alcohol, one drying out and one in the vaper - I cycle them through the stages every couple of days - takes less than 5 min a time).
I've tried the latest dual bottom coils, but they don't last as long, are more expensive and can't be cleaned.
I get through at most £10 a month in consumables and have only had one rollup in 4 years.
I started on the super high strength nicotine at 36mg, but am now down to 18mg.
As you probably know, no combustion products (it's the 2,000 or so carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in smoke that kill you), no Carbon monoxide to bind your haemoglobin (makes your blood thick and reduces oxygen carrying capacity).
I've always exercised a lot and find that I can run faster and further these days, my sense of smell has improved and my smokers cough has gone.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes you are a smoker. Its good folk use e cigs but not enough is known about the health risks if folk are daft enough to smoke thats their lookout but for me I am not putting my self at risk re second hand effects.
Yes I meet smokers but if meet is at my place there is yard if folk cant hold off for few hours.
E cigs are being portrayed as cool to use and whilst less pungent re smell no proper studies have been carried out thus far. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I've been vaping for four years now after a 30 year 30 a day rollup habit. It took a little while to find the right device for me, and the technology has improved over the years too.
I currently use a Vivi Nova. The wicks/coils only cost £1 each and can be washed, dry burned and re-used. Being a heavy vaper, they last me about a month (I have 3 on the go, one in isopropyl alcohol, one drying out and one in the vaper - I cycle them through the stages every couple of days - takes less than 5 min a time).
I've tried the latest dual bottom coils, but they don't last as long, are more expensive and can't be cleaned.
I get through at most £10 a month in consumables and have only had one rollup in 4 years.
I started on the super high strength nicotine at 36mg, but am now down to 18mg.
As you probably know, no combustion products (it's the 2,000 or so carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in smoke that kill you), no Carbon monoxide to bind your haemoglobin (makes your blood thick and reduces oxygen carrying capacity).
I've always exercised a lot and find that I can run faster and further these days, my sense of smell has improved and my smokers cough has gone.
Best things ever invented "
Gee's 36mg, 21mg had me coughing everytime I smoked it, was pretty sore, glad it worked for you |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yes you are a smoker. Its good folk use e cigs but not enough is known about the health risks if folk are daft enough to smoke thats their lookout but for me I am not putting my self at risk re second hand effects.
Yes I meet smokers but if meet is at my place there is yard if folk cant hold off for few hours.
E cigs are being portrayed as cool to use and whilst less pungent re smell no proper studies have been carried out thus far."
I've spoke about this at long lengths, it's a bit like when tobacco was first introduced nobody knew the risks. It's from what I can make out not regulated into what goes in them, I could be wrong though |
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"Yes you are a smoker.
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I'd disagree, you aren't inhaling smoke, ergo, it's a misnomer, you are now a vaper, inhaling vapour.
The chemicals (propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin) are considered "safe" for human consumption and found in many food products and mouthwash. Propylene glcol is also used to make the fake dry ice or smoke at gigs and in plays.
No-one is saying they're good for you, but they're a whole lot less bad. There is almost zero uptake by non smokers, the overwhelming usage being as smoking cessation aids by existing smokers.
At present, there are no long term studies on prolonged chronic use - I would certainly welcome such studies, but all studies so far, show that they are much safer than smoking.
You get the odd scare story in the likes of the Daily Fail, but mostly they're misleading headlines based on lazy cut and paste bullshit journalism.
Obviously the best thing is not to start, the 2nd best thing is to quit, but at the moment, the 3rd best thing is to vape instead |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I might give that a miss, I was reading page after page of side affects, nausea, wild dreams, feeling out if it etc, I drive 20 miles to work everyday and work with numbers so feeling out of it for maybe weeks is a definite no no for me.
I'll have a word with my Dr though, not going to rule it out just yet
Yes, there is a long list of side effects but it doesn't mean you will get them. Both Hex and I used Champix and had no side effects at all. We just made the mistake of thinking we could social smoke after stopping for 4 months
Tried e-cigs and I didn't sleep for 3 days
Hids
What happened when you had a social smoke ?
As for side affects, I know it doesn't affect everyone but I might be more prone to some, but not going into that on an open forum "
We ended up smoking full time again 
Hids |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm a smoker of real cigs and am looking into giving e cigs another go.
If I use e cigs full time will I still be a smoker or not ?
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In as much as you can release smoke from your mouth and nose or ear after a puff it's called smoking.
Anyway,we are all smokers only that some are active while others are passive lol  |
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"I'm a smoker of real cigs and am looking into giving e cigs another go.
If I use e cigs full time will I still be a smoker or not ?
In as much as you can release smoke from your mouth and nose or ear after a puff it's called smoking.
Anyway,we are all smokers only that some are active while others are passive lol "
But it's not smoke, there's no burning, just evaporation, therefore it's not smoking. |
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"Unless of course they vape nicotine free liquid"
Wouldn't that be pointless? As I understand ecigs are for helping you overcome the nicotine addiction with a view to stopping smoking?
One thing I have noticed is that people don't actually give up smoking (or vaping, call it what you will), they just replace the cigs with ecigs and just happily carry on with their addiction. All they have done is change the way that the drug is administered.
Still, the less people who smoke tobbacco, the better in my humble opinion.
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The point is, that nicotine, whilst mildly but insidiously, addictive, is not particularly harmful - it certainly won't kill you or even make you ill unless you take huge amounts. It's the smoke that kills you.
Being a smoker, you get used to the "throat hit" of the smoke, which is what I and many others find more difficult to break. You can do cold turkey on nicotine in a couple of days.
This is what vaping provides. It's a near smoking experience, without there being any smoke to harm you.
You can reduce the nicotine content, as I am doing, and many find that moving to nicotine free liquid over time, makes that last step easier.
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By *oconut2Woman
over a year ago
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"A lot of folk are doing that at work Gina? might be the way forward.
Coconut, I bet that was a pain, I'm like you have hardly had any in my life, guess I'll smoke the liquid rather than drink it lol"
The liquid starts to come up through the mouthpiece when the vapouriser needs changed, I wasn't drinking it lol |
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By *oconut2Woman
over a year ago
Nether regions of the back of beyond |
"I stopped using my vapour cig after a few months because I had more mouth ulcers than I've had in my whole life, the doctor said it was probably because I'd got some of the liquid in my mouth, not had any more problems since I stopped using it 7 months ago And have you stopped smokeing ? I,m a non- smoker myself but I do appreciate The fact that giveing up smokeing without help is almost Impossible with withdrawal Issues Being the main Issue only by being Mentally strong and true to yourself Would you perhaps get round this and Depending on how long you had been Smokeing, is nicotine,s dependancy anything like a A class drug surely not but seems so from what I hear, The Main driver here to give them up has To be "the sense of achievement" in Doing so yourself and that must be Worth more than any pack of fags and Look at the benefits after, I hope yourself and anyone else who tries to Stop smokeing can and stick in there.. "
No I'm back on the real things lol but no more mouth ulcers |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I stopped using my vapour cig after a few months because I had more mouth ulcers than I've had in my whole life, the doctor said it was probably because I'd got some of the liquid in my mouth, not had any more problems since I stopped using it 7 months ago "
With respect, your doctor is an idiot. Ongoing medical research (from WHO) is that the tar from smoking cigarettes causes the natural defence against mouth ulcers to be destroyed, but then causes a "film" coating of tar that prevents ulcers. Stopping smoking stops the protection, and you'll get the ulcers for a few months after stopping until the natural defence rebuilds itself. Empirical evidence shows this to be true, but research has been fairly limited up until very recently. |
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"The point is, that nicotine, whilst mildly but insidiously, addictive, is not particularly harmful - it certainly won't kill you or even make you ill unless you take huge amounts. It's the smoke that kills you.
Being a smoker, you get used to the "throat hit" of the smoke, which is what I and many others find more difficult to break. You can do cold turkey on nicotine in a couple of days.
This is what vaping provides. It's a near smoking experience, without there being any smoke to harm you.
You can reduce the nicotine content, as I am doing, and many find that moving to nicotine free liquid over time, makes that last step easier.
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So what your saying is that you are addicted to the habit as much as the nicotine...now I get it. |
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"The point is, that nicotine, whilst mildly but insidiously, addictive, is not particularly harmful - it certainly won't kill you or even make you ill unless you take huge amounts. It's the smoke that kills you."
Never mind the rest of your post, I cant leave the above statement stand.
Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances know to man. It is also one of the most toxic with an LD50 (that's a lethal dose for 50% of average sized, healthy adult humans) of a single 60mg dose administered through skin contact. That effectively means that if you were to abstract the nicotine from 3 of todays cigarettes (or 1 capstan full strength) and place it on a smokers skin it would kill them, and when a cigarette is smoked the smoker ingests about 1mg.
Not quite as mildly insidious as you say. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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To all those that might stool read this, I went from 20 a day to 6 on Tuesday and haven't had a real cig or craving yet. I'm using a e-cig mainly menthol mix and quite low strength 16mg, for the first 3hrs at work it can be quite stressful but I haven't craved for a real cig yet |
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"Champix can have some very nasty side effects. I suffered from extreme bloating and a LOT of sulphurous burps. Very unpleasant for those around you. I had to stop taking it in the end and it still took 5 weeks to get out of my system. "
I became very violent (in my mind) and basically a very horrible person, but I cut my dosage by half and was fine. Been off the cigs for almost 18 months now. It is advised not to use them if you suffer depression |
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"The point is, that nicotine, whilst mildly but insidiously, addictive, is not particularly harmful - it certainly won't kill you or even make you ill unless you take huge amounts. It's the smoke that kills you.
Never mind the rest of your post, I cant leave the above statement stand.
Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances know to man. It is also one of the most toxic with an LD50 (that's a lethal dose for 50% of average sized, healthy adult humans) of a single 60mg dose administered through skin contact. That effectively means that if you were to abstract the nicotine from 3 of todays cigarettes (or 1 capstan full strength) and place it on a smokers skin it would kill them, and when a cigarette is smoked the smoker ingests about 1mg.
Not quite as mildly insidious as you say."
Totally wrong - yes I know what an LD 50 is, my first degree was in biochemistry. From wiki "the 2013 review suggests that the lower limit causing fatal outcomes is 500–1000 mg of ingested nicotine, corresponding to 6.5–13 mg/kg orally." I think you're confusing the figure for rats, of 50mg/Kg, that means 50mg for every Kg of bodyweight.
From med-health.net "It should be noted that a regular pack of cigarettes contains 8 to 20 milligrams of nicotine and from that only 1 mg is absorbed when it is smoked".
So, by simple maths, to ingest a lethal dose through smoking, you'd need to smoke 500 to 1000 packs, or 10,000 to 20,000 cigarettes, all at the same time.
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By *eithoWoman
over a year ago
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"The point is, that nicotine, whilst mildly but insidiously, addictive, is not particularly harmful - it certainly won't kill you or even make you ill unless you take huge amounts. It's the smoke that kills you.
Never mind the rest of your post, I cant leave the above statement stand.
Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances know to man. It is also one of the most toxic with an LD50 (that's a lethal dose for 50% of average sized, healthy adult humans) of a single 60mg dose administered through skin contact. That effectively means that if you were to abstract the nicotine from 3 of todays cigarettes (or 1 capstan full strength) and place it on a smokers skin it would kill them, and when a cigarette is smoked the smoker ingests about 1mg.
Not quite as mildly insidious as you say."
Suggest you refer to the recent systematic review 'How much nicotine kills a human? Tracing back the generally accepted lethal dose to dubious self-experiments in the nineteenth century' published in 2013.
Would also add that nicotine has some health benefits. Nicotine actually functions as a type of anti-depressant and mood elevator with smokers often self medicating their depression without even realising that's why they find it so hard to quit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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switched to e cigs over a year ago, not looked back...and not the crappy ones you see everywhere nowadays..you need to find a good device and quality juices..i have cut my nic level to 3mg..i make my own coils and wicks too..i wouldn't touch any that are readily sold in garages etc...poor quality and poor quality juice...they have just jumped on the bandwagon to make a quick buck. |
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