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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Don't usually post topics like this but I'm intrigued to know people's opinions. A study has come to the conclusion that pregnant women are more likely to quit smoking if given shopping vouchers (up to £400) as an incentive. The details are here
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2015/01January/Pages/Gift-vouchers-can-help-pregnant-smokers-quit.aspx
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Bribery has a history of getting people to do things they would not normally do, so why should it not with pregnant smokers?"
Not saying it won't work, just not sure if it's the right way to do it (and where will the money come from?)
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Never gonna work "
Study shows that it DID work. But as anyone who would continue to smoke when pregnant would definitely come under the heading of "total chav" then it's no surprise that vouchers work! |
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Embarrassing for individuals they choose to put their own & their babies health below their needs to spend and smoke. But if it's proven to work then great. It doesn't come out of tax payers money, does it?  |
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"You'd think the health of their baby would be more important that shopping vouchers  "
Sadly its not. I work in a very deprived area of the UK and the smoking rate amongst pregnant women is well over 75%, mostly rollies, sometimes cannabis. They don't want to give up,they are not interested in the facts. The only thing that have corttoned onto is the low birth weight thing and they all say I don't want to push a ten pounder out of my foof anyway! They don't give a stuff about asthma, reduced learning ability, miscarriage, still birth, pretem birth in the slightest. Yep, my job sucks!  |
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"You'd think the health of their baby would be more important that shopping vouchers
Sadly its not. I work in a very deprived area of the UK and the smoking rate amongst pregnant women is well over 75%, mostly rollies, sometimes cannabis. They don't want to give up,they are not interested in the facts. The only thing that have corttoned onto is the low birth weight thing and they all say I don't want to push a ten pounder out of my foof anyway! They don't give a stuff about asthma, reduced learning ability, miscarriage, still birth, pretem birth in the slightest. Yep, my job sucks! "
 Stupid stupid women they are. They don't deserve to have babies. |
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"Embarrassing for individuals they choose to put their own & their babies health below their needs to spend and smoke. But if it's proven to work then great. It doesn't come out of tax payers money, does it? "
It should not be legal and they should be fined or have a liberty removed if when their blood is tested they are found to be smoking x
A humans choice to take any drug
Not the humans choice to poison an unborn child , smoking whilst pregnant or even with the child at home or in car , is no differant to shaking or beating a baby or child
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It just completely disgusts me! It just proves that they are brainless and completely 100% selfish ignorant fuckers. The fact that money is more of an incentive than the health of their child is beyond belief. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It just completely disgusts me! It just proves that they are brainless and completely 100% selfish ignorant fuckers. The fact that money is more of an incentive than the health of their child is beyond belief."
Am reminded here of the swinging whilst pregnant posts..........sex with strangers more important than the well being of the foetus???  |
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"I do hope that smoking while pregnant is mainly due to lack of knowledge about the consequences. "
If you're enough of a moron not to know the consequences in this day and age, with all of the public health campaigns and publicisation of the risks then you shouldn't be allowed to procreate.
They know the consequences alright, they just don't care about them.
A relative of mine (yep, I'm really proud) is currently pregnant and still smoking...because she knows loads of other women who also smoked while pregnant so she doesn't see the problem. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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A woman i know smoked 20 a day all though her pregnancy. She had a still born child. Her next pregnancy she still smoked 20 a day. they baby lived but was very underweight.
How fucking stupid can you be?! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Embarrassing for individuals they choose to put their own & their babies health below their needs to spend and smoke. But if it's proven to work then great. It doesn't come out of tax payers money, does it?
It should not be legal and they should be fined or have a liberty removed if when their blood is tested they are found to be smoking x
A humans choice to take any drug
Not the humans choice to poison an unborn child , smoking whilst pregnant or even with the child at home or in car , is no differant to shaking or beating a baby or child
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I agree with this how is smoking when pregnant not classed as child abuse. You are putting the child.
Like someone else further up said its a bit unfair on the mothers who either never have smoked or the ones who forfeit their habit for the time they're pregnant putting their child first and their health. Boils my piss! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It just completely disgusts me! It just proves that they are brainless and completely 100% selfish ignorant fuckers. The fact that money is more of an incentive than the health of their child is beyond belief.
Am reminded here of the swinging whilst pregnant posts..........sex with strangers more important than the well being of the foetus??? "
Don't get me started!!
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"I do hope that smoking while pregnant is mainly due to lack of knowledge about the consequences.
If you're enough of a moron not to know the consequences in this day and age, with all of the public health campaigns and publicisation of the risks then you shouldn't be allowed to procreate.
They know the consequences alright, they just don't care about them.
A relative of mine (yep, I'm really proud) is currently pregnant and still smoking...because she knows loads of other women who also smoked while pregnant so she doesn't see the problem. "
My sister in law was the same smoked with all 3 of hers and was like well the first turned out alright so what does it matter! Every time I wanted to slap her. I gave up as soon as I found out I was pregnant which was 4 weeks had I known sooner I'd of given then. After going 8 months without I felt no need to go back plus I didn't want it round my baby. My ex gave to not just in support but he didn't want his breath passing on the smoke to me and the baby. |
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I think the reasoning behind it is that it tends to be the uneducated lower income mothers who this is aimed it. It's a fact that they have the highest rates of smoking whilst pregnant. It's so so sad, and I really hoped the trials run last year wouldn't work. But it seems they have.
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"It just completely disgusts me! It just proves that they are brainless and completely 100% selfish ignorant fuckers. The fact that money is more of an incentive than the health of their child is beyond belief.
Am reminded here of the swinging whilst pregnant posts..........sex with strangers more important than the well being of the foetus???
Don't get me started!!
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Not to mention the ones who bareback swing with a fag in their hand simultaneously ... Just saying |
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For some people the facts are "they saw people around them smoke while pregnant and their babies turned out fine". And the majority of babies do come out no problems with smokers, so yeah their might be risks but some people never see that evidence, in fact they see the opposite of what they're being told.
I don't think people are stupid to look at all the evidence they've seen for themselves and then decide not to act upon contradictory advice.
It's not child abuse, stupidest thing i have ever heard. it's not pleasant to think about but it's not abuse. My mum smoked with all of us, and she was the least abusive person i know, but had an addiction to cigarettes. |
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"I think the reasoning behind it is that it tends to be the uneducated lower income mothers who this is aimed it. It's a fact that they have the highest rates of smoking whilst pregnant. It's so so sad, and I really hoped the trials run last year wouldn't work. But it seems they have.
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Highest ratest of pregnancy also I imagine just another step in the modern day darwins survival of the thickest. The majority of career people struggle to have children where as the others use them as an income like bloody cattle |
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"For some people the facts are "they saw people around them smoke while pregnant and their babies turned out fine". And the majority of babies do come out no problems with smokers, so yeah their might be risks but some people never see that evidence, in fact they see the opposite of what they're being told.
I don't think people are stupid to look at all the evidence they've seen for themselves and then decide not to act upon contradictory advice.
It's not child abuse, stupidest thing i have ever heard. it's not pleasant to think about but it's not abuse. My mum smoked with all of us, and she was the least abusive person i know, but had an addiction to cigarettes."
In all fairness that was 42 yrs ago I think it was thought of a little differently then to how it is drummed in now. |
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Seriously, anybody who smokes while pregnant is an idiot.
I can understand the odd fag..but one after the other is pretty stupid.
And that should be obvious. |
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"For some people the facts are "they saw people around them smoke while pregnant and their babies turned out fine". And the majority of babies do come out no problems with smokers, so yeah their might be risks but some people never see that evidence, in fact they see the opposite of what they're being told.
I don't think people are stupid to look at all the evidence they've seen for themselves and then decide not to act upon contradictory advice.
It's not child abuse, stupidest thing i have ever heard. it's not pleasant to think about but it's not abuse. My mum smoked with all of us, and she was the least abusive person i know, but had an addiction to cigarettes."
Sorry but I think this is quite a naive view to have when there is so much information available now on what harm smoking can do.
Not just when the baby is carried in the womb, but after too. Babies who have been subjected to smoking whilst in the womb have a higher rate of asthma... No biggie you may think, until that child is 65 and living on a nebuliser. Housebound. Struggling to walk up stairs without having and asthma attack. The majority of cot death (aka suffocation) is proven to happen amoungst families who smoke.
So years ago, when non of this was known, then fair enough. But now??? No sorry. No excuses. If you know the facts of what can happen then it's abuse. You wouldn't put a cigarette in a newborns mouth. So why the hell would you do it when they are growing and breathing inside you?!! |
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Woman at my work smoked 20 b&h per day right through her pregnancy....now her child is 20 months she's fine about feeding it crisps for breakfast....yeah, she's nuts.  |
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"For some people the facts are "they saw people around them smoke while pregnant and their babies turned out fine". And the majority of babies do come out no problems with smokers, so yeah their might be risks but some people never see that evidence, in fact they see the opposite of what they're being told.
I don't think people are stupid to look at all the evidence they've seen for themselves and then decide not to act upon contradictory advice.
It's not child abuse, stupidest thing i have ever heard. it's not pleasant to think about but it's not abuse. My mum smoked with all of us, and she was the least abusive person i know, but had an addiction to cigarettes.
In all fairness that was 42 yrs ago I think it was thought of a little differently then to how it is drummed in now. "
The rest of it applies though. People see evidence for themselves and act upon that, doesn't matter what you tell them if they see evidence to the contrary they won't believe you.
How many people really know about their body as well, and how it works? Most people have had a basic education in biology and nothing more than that, so you can go on about the chemicals in cigs and oxygen deprivation to the baby but most people don't fully understand what that means either.
I've seen an advert for giving up smoking in the doctors, and it said something about every 15 cigs you smoke cause a mutation or something like that, i also know my body fights off at least 18 mutations a day and so does non-smokers too, my immune system recognises cancer and kills it off, do you think that ad affected me in any way?
My body will either recognise cancer or not, every day our immune system kills off cancer cells, when our immune system doesn't recognise cancer then it takes over our body. This is why non-smokers, healthy people and even babies get cancer. |
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"For some people the facts are "they saw people around them smoke while pregnant and their babies turned out fine". And the majority of babies do come out no problems with smokers, so yeah their might be risks but some people never see that evidence, in fact they see the opposite of what they're being told.
I don't think people are stupid to look at all the evidence they've seen for themselves and then decide not to act upon contradictory advice.
It's not child abuse, stupidest thing i have ever heard. it's not pleasant to think about but it's not abuse. My mum smoked with all of us, and she was the least abusive person i know, but had an addiction to cigarettes.
Sorry but I think this is quite a naive view to have when there is so much information available now on what harm smoking can do.
Not just when the baby is carried in the womb, but after too. Babies who have been subjected to smoking whilst in the womb have a higher rate of asthma... No biggie you may think, until that child is 65 and living on a nebuliser. Housebound. Struggling to walk up stairs without having and asthma attack. The majority of cot death (aka suffocation) is proven to happen amoungst families who smoke.
So years ago, when non of this was known, then fair enough. But now??? No sorry. No excuses. If you know the facts of what can happen then it's abuse. You wouldn't put a cigarette in a newborns mouth. So why the hell would you do it when they are growing and breathing inside you?!! "
I'm still wondering if parents(not just mothers),should be allowed to walk about traffic congested streets with their children...
Obviously not an advocate of harming a developing child with smoking...but our environment is also a huge consideration! |
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"For some people the facts are "they saw people around them smoke while pregnant and their babies turned out fine". And the majority of babies do come out no problems with smokers, so yeah their might be risks but some people never see that evidence, in fact they see the opposite of what they're being told.
I don't think people are stupid to look at all the evidence they've seen for themselves and then decide not to act upon contradictory advice.
It's not child abuse, stupidest thing i have ever heard. it's not pleasant to think about but it's not abuse. My mum smoked with all of us, and she was the least abusive person i know, but had an addiction to cigarettes.
Sorry but I think this is quite a naive view to have when there is so much information available now on what harm smoking can do.
Not just when the baby is carried in the womb, but after too. Babies who have been subjected to smoking whilst in the womb have a higher rate of asthma... No biggie you may think, until that child is 65 and living on a nebuliser. Housebound. Struggling to walk up stairs without having and asthma attack. The majority of cot death (aka suffocation) is proven to happen amoungst families who smoke.
So years ago, when non of this was known, then fair enough. But now??? No sorry. No excuses. If you know the facts of what can happen then it's abuse. You wouldn't put a cigarette in a newborns mouth. So why the hell would you do it when they are growing and breathing inside you?!! "
it's not naive though. People see for themselves evidence and work out for themselves what that means to them.
And no i'm not saying smoking is good for a baby or pregnant woman, the lungs have enough to deal with during pregnancy and don't need that smoke in them for a start, but people don't fully understand and see things differently, and this should be the basis on how we treat what is perceived as a problem. By understanding why it happens in the first place and then working something out around that. |
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"For some people the facts are "they saw people around them smoke while pregnant and their babies turned out fine". And the majority of babies do come out no problems with smokers, so yeah their might be risks but some people never see that evidence, in fact they see the opposite of what they're being told.
I don't think people are stupid to look at all the evidence they've seen for themselves and then decide not to act upon contradictory advice.
It's not child abuse, stupidest thing i have ever heard. it's not pleasant to think about but it's not abuse. My mum smoked with all of us, and she was the least abusive person i know, but had an addiction to cigarettes.
Sorry but I think this is quite a naive view to have when there is so much information available now on what harm smoking can do.
Not just when the baby is carried in the womb, but after too. Babies who have been subjected to smoking whilst in the womb have a higher rate of asthma... No biggie you may think, until that child is 65 and living on a nebuliser. Housebound. Struggling to walk up stairs without having and asthma attack. The majority of cot death (aka suffocation) is proven to happen amoungst families who smoke.
So years ago, when non of this was known, then fair enough. But now??? No sorry. No excuses. If you know the facts of what can happen then it's abuse. You wouldn't put a cigarette in a newborns mouth. So why the hell would you do it when they are growing and breathing inside you?!!
I'm still wondering if parents(not just mothers),should be allowed to walk about traffic congested streets with their children...
Obviously not an advocate of harming a developing child with smoking...but our environment is also a huge consideration!"
I think there's a lot to be said for educating a child to live in the environment it is born into. Showing them different things and experiences. Traffic, congestion, strangers, food, everything. I believe as a parent it's your job to teach and explain life. Some things you can't change, but what you do at home/in the car etc is something you can change. |
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"For some people the facts are "they saw people around them smoke while pregnant and their babies turned out fine". And the majority of babies do come out no problems with smokers, so yeah their might be risks but some people never see that evidence, in fact they see the opposite of what they're being told.
I don't think people are stupid to look at all the evidence they've seen for themselves and then decide not to act upon contradictory advice.
It's not child abuse, stupidest thing i have ever heard. it's not pleasant to think about but it's not abuse. My mum smoked with all of us, and she was the least abusive person i know, but had an addiction to cigarettes.
Sorry but I think this is quite a naive view to have when there is so much information available now on what harm smoking can do.
Not just when the baby is carried in the womb, but after too. Babies who have been subjected to smoking whilst in the womb have a higher rate of asthma... No biggie you may think, until that child is 65 and living on a nebuliser. Housebound. Struggling to walk up stairs without having and asthma attack. The majority of cot death (aka suffocation) is proven to happen amoungst families who smoke.
So years ago, when non of this was known, then fair enough. But now??? No sorry. No excuses. If you know the facts of what can happen then it's abuse. You wouldn't put a cigarette in a newborns mouth. So why the hell would you do it when they are growing and breathing inside you?!!
it's not naive though. People see for themselves evidence and work out for themselves what that means to them.
And no i'm not saying smoking is good for a baby or pregnant woman, the lungs have enough to deal with during pregnancy and don't need that smoke in them for a start, but people don't fully understand and see things differently, and this should be the basis on how we treat what is perceived as a problem. By understanding why it happens in the first place and then working something out around that."
If they go to all of their midwife appointments and antental classes they will receive masses of information... But, maybe in surprisingly, the majority of the women who really need the additional information choose not to attend... Sometimes people have to help themselves and not sit around waiting for the world to come to them |
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"For some people the facts are "they saw people around them smoke while pregnant and their babies turned out fine". And the majority of babies do come out no problems with smokers, so yeah their might be risks but some people never see that evidence, in fact they see the opposite of what they're being told.
I don't think people are stupid to look at all the evidence they've seen for themselves and then decide not to act upon contradictory advice.
It's not child abuse, stupidest thing i have ever heard. it's not pleasant to think about but it's not abuse. My mum smoked with all of us, and she was the least abusive person i know, but had an addiction to cigarettes.
In all fairness that was 42 yrs ago I think it was thought of a little differently then to how it is drummed in now.
The rest of it applies though. People see evidence for themselves and act upon that, doesn't matter what you tell them if they see evidence to the contrary they won't believe you.
How many people really know about their body as well, and how it works? Most people have had a basic education in biology and nothing more than that, so you can go on about the chemicals in cigs and oxygen deprivation to the baby but most people don't fully understand what that means either.
I've seen an advert for giving up smoking in the doctors, and it said something about every 15 cigs you smoke cause a mutation or something like that, i also know my body fights off at least 18 mutations a day and so does non-smokers too, my immune system recognises cancer and kills it off, do you think that ad affected me in any way?
My body will either recognise cancer or not, every day our immune system kills off cancer cells, when our immune system doesn't recognise cancer then it takes over our body. This is why non-smokers, healthy people and even babies get cancer."
Forget cancer , it's the oxygen starvation to the child's brain
due to co that would concern me
And the lack of education thing is nonsense , or do pregnant ladies not go for pre natal check ups anymore ?
Basically nicotine is a poison, co is a poison and inflicting poison onto the child is no less abusive than a punch into the stomach . The child may survive abuse this does not justify it
The body may fight cancer however it treats co just like o2 and thus keeps it in the blood stream displacing oxygen
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"For some people the facts are "they saw people around them smoke while pregnant and their babies turned out fine". And the majority of babies do come out no problems with smokers, so yeah their might be risks but some people never see that evidence, in fact they see the opposite of what they're being told.
I don't think people are stupid to look at all the evidence they've seen for themselves and then decide not to act upon contradictory advice.
It's not child abuse, stupidest thing i have ever heard. it's not pleasant to think about but it's not abuse. My mum smoked with all of us, and she was the least abusive person i know, but had an addiction to cigarettes.
In all fairness that was 42 yrs ago I think it was thought of a little differently then to how it is drummed in now.
The rest of it applies though. People see evidence for themselves and act upon that, doesn't matter what you tell them if they see evidence to the contrary they won't believe you.
How many people really know about their body as well, and how it works? Most people have had a basic education in biology and nothing more than that, so you can go on about the chemicals in cigs and oxygen deprivation to the baby but most people don't fully understand what that means either.
I've seen an advert for giving up smoking in the doctors, and it said something about every 15 cigs you smoke cause a mutation or something like that, i also know my body fights off at least 18 mutations a day and so does non-smokers too, my immune system recognises cancer and kills it off, do you think that ad affected me in any way?
My body will either recognise cancer or not, every day our immune system kills off cancer cells, when our immune system doesn't recognise cancer then it takes over our body. This is why non-smokers, healthy people and even babies get cancer.
Forget cancer , it's the oxygen starvation to the child's brain
due to co that would concern me
And the lack of education thing is nonsense , or do pregnant ladies not go for pre natal check ups anymore ?
Basically nicotine is a poison, co is a poison and inflicting poison onto the child is no less abusive than a punch into the stomach . The child may survive abuse this does not justify it
The body may fight cancer however it treats co just like o2 and thus keeps it in the blood stream displacing oxygen
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"and what about those mothers to be who were wise enough never to smoke in the first place?? "
Amen
ive never smoked or drank so should, perhaps expect some "reward" but no its "given" to dolts who dont deserve kids in the first place if they care so little about them from the get go. And please dont get me started on the reward programme metred out when my baby was born - and the increased level of failure I felt because Icouldn't feed her myself thanks to gestapo midwives ramming that little nugget fown my throat and the wanker chiming in "well you could try" - at the time I was hooked up to a breast pump (instrument of torture). |
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"I think there's a lot to be said for educating a child to live in the environment it is born into. Showing them different things and experiences. Traffic, congestion, strangers, food, everything. I believe as a parent it's your job to teach and explain life. Some things you can't change, but what you do at home/in the car etc is something you can change. "
Totally agree with this.
I will go further and say they should be educated with real experiences, not just be told something but shown it too. And explained to properly about how/why something happened.
The info we're given is often not given in full enough details and sometimes it's even given on the hope we are ignorant enough to believe it.
Risk, could, maybe...these words are not definite or words you would use when their is proof of something. |
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My pregnancy was confirmed at 5 weeks and I remember I smoked a fag just staring at the positive result on the stick, then I pulled myself together and didn't have one till the day my waters broke. I only had one cos I was shutting myself but it tases disgusting and didn't smoke it all. I'd rate starting back smoking when my daughter was 4 months old as one of the stupidest things I've done. I was free from them but all the shit off my ex and the bollox of stress just made me start again. Though I'm absolutely anal about cigarette smoke, I won't have it anywhere near her. |
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"I think there's a lot to be said for educating a child to live in the environment it is born into. Showing them different things and experiences. Traffic, congestion, strangers, food, everything. I believe as a parent it's your job to teach and explain life. Some things you can't change, but what you do at home/in the car etc is something you can change.
Totally agree with this.
I will go further and say they should be educated with real experiences, not just be told something but shown it too. And explained to properly about how/why something happened.
The info we're given is often not given in full enough details and sometimes it's even given on the hope we are ignorant enough to believe it.
Risk, could, maybe...these words are not definite or words you would use when their is proof of something."
There is definite proof that there is a risk to your unborn child from smoking while pregnant. Yes I'm using the word 'risk', but I can't understand why on earth as a pregnant woman you wouldn't change your behaviour slightly to decrease that risk. I know it seems fashionable at the moment not to trust the medical profession or think they're all somehow trying to fuck us over, but sometimes they're right. The public health campaigns in this regard will have been tailored to present the information in a clear fashion, not confuse people with scientific language about oxygen levels etc.
Oh and if after weighing up those risks carefully based on their careful experience of what they see around them (as you're suggesting that they do) then they can be bribed to change their entire view that they came to so rationally with a few shopping vouchers, that makes them even more of an idiot. |
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"I think there's a lot to be said for educating a child to live in the environment it is born into. Showing them different things and experiences. Traffic, congestion, strangers, food, everything. I believe as a parent it's your job to teach and explain life. Some things you can't change, but what you do at home/in the car etc is something you can change.
Totally agree with this.
I will go further and say they should be educated with real experiences, not just be told something but shown it too. And explained to properly about how/why something happened.
The info we're given is often not given in full enough details and sometimes it's even given on the hope we are ignorant enough to believe it.
Risk, could, maybe...these words are not definite or words you would use when their is proof of something."
Often all we have proof of is risk
So tell some that there is a one in 6 chance they will harm their child from smoking or 17 % and they will smoke
Now load a gun that has 6 chambers with one bullet, spin the chamber , point it at their head and ask if they want you to pull the trigger
That's the facts xx |
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"Forget cancer , it's the oxygen starvation to the child's brain
due to co that would concern me
And the lack of education thing is nonsense , or do pregnant ladies not go for pre natal check ups anymore ?
Basically nicotine is a poison, co is a poison and inflicting poison onto the child is no less abusive than a punch into the stomach . The child may survive abuse this does not justify it
The body may fight cancer however it treats co just like o2 and thus keeps it in the blood stream displacing oxygen
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That was the latest info i've seen on smoking, and it wasn't good enough to put me off coz i know how the body works.
It's not abuse when people don't see anything to contradict what you're saying. It's not abuse when people don't understand how their body works. It's not abuse when people are uneducated about all the real facts that are availavble.
You can't compare a legal drug, that society has validated, to violence.
No idea about ante-natal and how it works now, but i never got told anything much more than the baby will be underweight and be starved of oxygen, but i gave up smoking because it made me throw up anyway. Don't know if i'd have given up or not if it hadn't made me ill because i was younger and hadn't seen any evidence at all of asthma, cot death, no ailments from smoking parents at all, and my family is massive and i had loads of friends and most of their parents smoked as well. So with my evidence, and lack of education, i might not have made that choice either.
Glad to see society is less accepting of smoking and less people start now, but people should never be shamed into doing what others want. They should be given proper information, and all of it so they can make up their minds for themselves. |
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seems to be a bit of a word phrasing difference here...abuse and neglect, aren't they a bit different?
I'd see abuse as intentional harm, and neglect as poorly educated/not able to cope |
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"seems to be a bit of a word phrasing difference here...abuse and neglect, aren't they a bit different?
I'd see abuse as intentional harm, and neglect as poorly educated/not able to cope"
Which part of
SMOKING KILLS
AND SMOKING WHILE PREGNANT HARMS YOUR CHILD
Which are written boldly on all smoking material, would constitute as poorly educated?
All pregnant ladies are invited to have pre natal care by the nhs and all smokers will be informed they are taking an avoidable risk with their unborn child
I'd say equal to a damn good spanking this is intentional ?
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I'm from a mother who smoked thorough five children, admittedly back in the 70s but the trouble is the minute you start interfering with peoples lives you go down that slippery slope of.
What about women who ski while pregnant or jog, drink, eat mcd,s, do hand stands, fuck... It's just a minefield, leave people to the nhs and their slow progressive policy of anti-smoking, it will be gone in a generation anyhow. |
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"seems to be a bit of a word phrasing difference here...abuse and neglect, aren't they a bit different?
I'd see abuse as intentional harm, and neglect as poorly educated/not able to cope
Which part of
SMOKING KILLS
AND SMOKING WHILE PREGNANT HARMS YOUR CHILD
Which are written boldly on all smoking material, would constitute as poorly educated?
All pregnant ladies are invited to have pre natal care by the nhs and all smokers will be informed they are taking an avoidable risk with their unborn child
I'd say equal to a damn good spanking this is intentional ?
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point I'm making IS, they arent specifically thinking "I WANT my child to have cancer/problems"
I've worked in addictions in the past, from alcohol to drugs, and people arent setting out to inflict damage on their children.Which is why I see abuse and neglect in two different ways. |
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"seems to be a bit of a word phrasing difference here...abuse and neglect, aren't they a bit different?
I'd see abuse as intentional harm, and neglect as poorly educated/not able to cope
Which part of
SMOKING KILLS
AND SMOKING WHILE PREGNANT HARMS YOUR CHILD
Which are written boldly on all smoking material, would constitute as poorly educated?
All pregnant ladies are invited to have pre natal care by the nhs and all smokers will be informed they are taking an avoidable risk with their unborn child
I'd say equal to a damn good spanking this is intentional ?
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Where does avoidable risk start then.
Skiing, walking, shopping, fucking, working, jogging ....
Everything's an avoidable risk like... Consuming sugar or consuming aspartame eating bacon.
There's absolutely no evidence to suggest it's similar to loading a gun with one bullet!. |
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"Embarrassing for individuals they choose to put their own & their babies health below their needs to spend and smoke. But if it's proven to work then great. It doesn't come out of tax payers money, does it?
It should not be legal and they should be fined or have a liberty removed if when their blood is tested they are found to be smoking x
A humans choice to take any drug
Not the humans choice to poison an unborn child , smoking whilst pregnant or even with the child at home or in car , is no differant to shaking or beating a baby or child
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I agree with this, I have always said smoking when pregnant should be illegal
I often wonder what kind a mother they will make if they cant even give up the fags for a few months for the sake of their child, surely you child should come before everything |
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"Embarrassing for individuals they choose to put their own & their babies health below their needs to spend and smoke. But if it's proven to work then great. It doesn't come out of tax payers money, does it?
It should not be legal and they should be fined or have a liberty removed if when their blood is tested they are found to be smoking x
A humans choice to take any drug
Not the humans choice to poison an unborn child , smoking whilst pregnant or even with the child at home or in car , is no differant to shaking or beating a baby or child
I agree with this, I have always said smoking when pregnant should be illegal
I often wonder what kind a mother they will make if they cant even give up the fags for a few months for the sake of their child, surely you child should come before everything "
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What about gang bangs while pregnant! Or rock climbing.
Yay or nay I've got no personal views on either because I'm a man and don't have to worry about it. But I'm guessing there's an avoidable risk from everything!. It just boils down to your own personal grudges and inflicting your choices on someone else.
And before anyone says... Yes but it's another persons life... Well yeah but so is making your child do anything like skiing... It's an avoidable risk! |
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"Embarrassing for individuals they choose to put their own & their babies health below their needs to spend and smoke. But if it's proven to work then great. It doesn't come out of tax payers money, does it?
It should not be legal and they should be fined or have a liberty removed if when their blood is tested they are found to be smoking x
A humans choice to take any drug
Not the humans choice to poison an unborn child , smoking whilst pregnant or even with the child at home or in car , is no differant to shaking or beating a baby or child
I agree with this, I have always said smoking when pregnant should be illegal
I often wonder what kind a mother they will make if they cant even give up the fags for a few months for the sake of their child, surely you child should come before everything .
What about gang bangs while pregnant! Or rock climbing.
Yay or nay I've got no personal views on either because I'm a man and don't have to worry about it. But I'm guessing there's an avoidable risk from everything!. It just boils down to your own personal grudges and inflicting your choices on someone else.
And before anyone says... Yes but it's another persons life... Well yeah but so is making your child do anything like skiing... It's an avoidable risk!"
Life goes on though doesn't it, we put our kids in the car to take them to school, yep we could have a crash and kill them, we go on holiday because its nice to treat our kids, yep they could have an accident and get seriously hurt, we cross the road because we can't spend the whole of our lives walking around the same block but what if we get hit by a car
Sometimes children do get hurt in everyday life accidetly the thing is having a fag is not accidental we know the harm it can do you unborn babies yet some choose to ignor that and smoke anyway that's not the same as taking your kid skiing |
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"Embarrassing for individuals they choose to put their own & their babies health below their needs to spend and smoke. But if it's proven to work then great. It doesn't come out of tax payers money, does it?
It should not be legal and they should be fined or have a liberty removed if when their blood is tested they are found to be smoking x
A humans choice to take any drug
Not the humans choice to poison an unborn child , smoking whilst pregnant or even with the child at home or in car , is no differant to shaking or beating a baby or child
I agree with this, I have always said smoking when pregnant should be illegal
I often wonder what kind a mother they will make if they cant even give up the fags for a few months for the sake of their child, surely you child should come before everything .
What about gang bangs while pregnant! Or rock climbing.
Yay or nay I've got no personal views on either because I'm a man and don't have to worry about it. But I'm guessing there's an avoidable risk from everything!. It just boils down to your own personal grudges and inflicting your choices on someone else.
And before anyone says... Yes but it's another persons life... Well yeah but so is making your child do anything like skiing... It's an avoidable risk!
Life goes on though doesn't it, we put our kids in the car to take them to school, yep we could have a crash and kill them, we go on holiday because its nice to treat our kids, yep they could have an accident and get seriously hurt, we cross the road because we can't spend the whole of our lives walking around the same block but what if we get hit by a car
Sometimes children do get hurt in everyday life accidetly the thing is having a fag is not accidental we know the harm it can do you unborn babies yet some choose to ignor that and smoke anyway that's not the same as taking your kid skiing "
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The same could be said for foreign holidays and sun screen or letting them climb trees.
It books down to your own personal grudges. You dislike smoking, you think they sound stop,I dislike car drivers (and can prove the fumes cause asthma).
I wish to have the right to bang on your window and slag you off while your driving or imprison you if caught, now I'm not saying you personally but you can see where in coming from, it's personally freedoms and a very slippery slope to totalitarianism |
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I wish to have the right to bang on your window and slag you off while your driving or imprison you if caught, now I'm not saying you personally but you can see where in coming from, it's personally freedoms and a very slippery slope to totalitarianism"
Good, cause I can't even drive  |
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Should give all pregnant women this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2656811/
Just about every smoking study on pregnant women in there, up to 2007. If i could find one with more recent info as well i would add it.
I've spent the last hour looking for conclusive evidence too. Have found conclusive evidence that smoking does affect male mice fertility.
http://agbiosafety.unl.edu/riskasscience.shtml
Some links on how to make sense of the stats in that first link.
http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2013/03/15/absolute-versus-relative-risk-making-sense-of-media-stories/
http://www.nia.nih.gov/health/publication/understanding-risk
So there's all the info a pregnant woman would need to understand, as well as more biological terms than they probably knew before pregnancy. Pretty easy for them to figure out and weigh up i'm sure. |
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I think the point of this thread was lost its the fact they won't give up for the health of their child but will do for a few quid to buy some new shoes! |
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