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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I've been waiting for Blair's book to come out and see what he says about what really went on in the corridors of power. Amazon already have it at half price, and I ordered it this morning. Should be good reading matter for the throne room, made of strong stuff and thoroughly absorbing.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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On the contrary, I'm really looking forward to reading it. As much as I dislike Labour I've always had a grudging respect for Blair, I did vote the guy in at one time lol .. He's a charismatic guy no matter what his politics are and, as you say, the proceeds are going to the British Legion so I don't mind parting with my £12.50 for it. |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"On the contrary, I'm really looking forward to reading it. As much as I dislike Labour I've always had a grudging respect for Blair, I did vote the guy in at one time lol .. He's a charismatic guy no matter what his politics are and, as you say, the proceeds are going to the British Legion so I don't mind parting with my £12.50 for it."
wonder how many mentions his enigmatic wife will get?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"voyage?
has he gone on a cruise?
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they've been discussing the book on jeremy vine This afternoon absorbing discussion"
yeah I heard that, was more interested in the poor sods who'd napped too long at the motorway services stations though  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Will we get a similar book in 15 years from Cameron slagging off Cleg?
I hope so as it'll mean the Tories will have been in power that long lol "
I thought we had a coalition government not a Tory one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Will we get a similar book in 15 years from Cameron slagging off Cleg?
I hope so as it'll mean the Tories will have been in power that long lol
I thought we had a coalition government not a Tory one. "
thats what they want us to think |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Will we get a similar book in 15 years from Cameron slagging off Cleg?
I hope so as it'll mean the Tories will have been in power that long lol
I thought we had a coalition government not a Tory one.
thats what they want us to think"
I would believe it more if Cameron wasn't such a pussy. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Will we get a similar book in 15 years from Cameron slagging off Cleg?
I hope so as it'll mean the Tories will have been in power that long lol
I thought we had a coalition government not a Tory one. "
We do - at the moment. I do not envisage Cameron and Clegg sharing power for the next 15 years. Who knows what will happen at the next election even if they do reform the way we vote to make it more reflective of how people vote.
I think political parties become complacent if they're in power for too long. It happened with the Tories under Thatcher/Major, and then again under Blair/Brown, so 15 years of Cameron may prove too much for us - and him. His book will be a riveting read also though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I see Phoney Tony has stuck the knife into Brown already.
Will he be giving us a rundown of exactly how and why we got stuck into hugely expensive wars without justification?
Maybe some contrition for the lives wasted would be nice aswell.
And if he could tell us why the country is bust while he is there that would be good. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I see Phoney Tony has stuck the knife into Brown already.
Will he be giving us a rundown of exactly how and why we got stuck into hugely expensive wars without justification?
Maybe some contrition for the lives wasted would be nice aswell.
And if he could tell us why the country is bust while he is there that would be good."
only one way to find out, read the book |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I see Phoney Tony has stuck the knife into Brown already.
Will he be giving us a rundown of exactly how and why we got stuck into hugely expensive wars without justification?
Maybe some contrition for the lives wasted would be nice aswell.
And if he could tell us why the country is bust while he is there that would be good.
only one way to find out, read the book "
only one way to find out: FIGHT!!!!!! lol  |
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What makes me laugh is this?
"Political correspondent for the Bloomberg news agency Robert Hutton got hold of the book. He tells the Today programme what suprised him most:
"The big thing that jumped out at me is that right at the end of the book Blair effectively endorses David Cameron's economic programme. He says the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats are getting it right and the Labour party is getting it wrong... He says the New Labour response to it would be to cut the deficit by cutting spending by driving through reforms in public services, as the government says it is doing and by raising VAT. So he doesn't endorse a Labour leadership candidate but he does endorse the government."
SO why the fuck did he spend 13 years getting us into this mess? |
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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago
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It should be called:
Tony Blair - "The Cunt"
Every time I see his Death's Head rictus grin (only surpassed by Skeletor, his Mrs, with her flip-top head), I feel a little sick. If ever there was a real personification of the Antichrist, it's right there, Evangelical Tony, cuprinol tanned, in his flash suits, swanning about the Middle East, lining his pockets.
I wouldn't buy that book, I don't need to PAY to read how he lied and fucked us over, there's going to be no wise words in there, to be quoted down through the ages. Buying this shite just encourages tossers like him to say one thing, do another, then release "memoirs" when out of office and have the gall to demand money for it. How about telling the whole story when in power, when it matters?
Fuck him, and the horse he rode in on.
Ahem, not that I feel strongly about him, like..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It should be called:
Tony Blair - "The Cunt"
Every time I see his Death's Head rictus grin (only surpassed by Skeletor, his Mrs, with her flip-top head), I feel a little sick. If ever there was a real personification of the Antichrist, it's right there, Evangelical Tony, cuprinol tanned, in his flash suits, swanning about the Middle East, lining his pockets.
I wouldn't buy that book, I don't need to PAY to read how he lied and fucked us over, there's going to be no wise words in there, to be quoted down through the ages. Buying this shite just encourages tossers like him to say one thing, do another, then release "memoirs" when out of office and have the gall to demand money for it. How about telling the whole story when in power, when it matters?
Fuck him, and the horse he rode in on.
Ahem, not that I feel strongly about him, like..... "
how do we get you to say how you really feel about blair...instead of all this fence perching? |
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What makes me laugh is this?
"Political correspondent for the Bloomberg news agency Robert Hutton got hold of the book. He tells the Today programme what suprised him most:
"The big thing that jumped out at me is that right at the end of the book Blair effectively endorses David Cameron's economic programme. He says the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats are getting it right and the Labour party is getting it wrong... He says the New Labour response to it would be to cut the deficit by cutting spending by driving through reforms in public services, as the government says it is doing and by raising VAT. So he doesn't endorse a Labour leadership candidate but he does endorse the government."
SO why the fuck did he spend 13 years getting us into this mess?"
He didn't though did he.
We are not in debt because of one thing, we are in debt because of many things.... many of which had nothing to do with what was happening in Downing Street nor under their control.
All the fuss over digging the banks out of a dark hole with tax payers money........ have you seen just how much return the tax payers money is getting now the share value of the banks is going back up. |
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What makes me laugh is this?
"Political correspondent for the Bloomberg news agency Robert Hutton got hold of the book. He tells the Today programme what suprised him most:
"The big thing that jumped out at me is that right at the end of the book Blair effectively endorses David Cameron's economic programme. He says the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats are getting it right and the Labour party is getting it wrong... He says the New Labour response to it would be to cut the deficit by cutting spending by driving through reforms in public services, as the government says it is doing and by raising VAT. So he doesn't endorse a Labour leadership candidate but he does endorse the government."
SO why the fuck did he spend 13 years getting us into this mess?
He didn't though did he.
We are not in debt because of one thing, we are in debt because of many things.... many of which had nothing to do with what was happening in Downing Street nor under their control.
All the fuss over digging the banks out of a dark hole with tax payers money........ have you seen just how much return the tax payers money is getting now the share value of the banks is going back up."
A few pence here and there on bank shares. Wow.
Recent reports of 4 years of neagtive equity.
Millions now unemployed and quite like to remmain so.
Not just pension funds but the whole pension system fucked up?
A generation of "youngsters" with degrees of limited use, upto their eyeballs in stident debt, many without realistic hope of getting that wonderful career that "education,education, education" brings or having their first home.
It's gonna take some rise in bank shares to wipe that lot out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It should be called:
Tony Blair - "The Cunt"
Every time I see his Death's Head rictus grin (only surpassed by Skeletor, his Mrs, with her flip-top head), I feel a little sick. If ever there was a real personification of the Antichrist, it's right there, Evangelical Tony, cuprinol tanned, in his flash suits, swanning about the Middle East, lining his pockets.
I wouldn't buy that book, I don't need to PAY to read how he lied and fucked us over, there's going to be no wise words in there, to be quoted down through the ages. Buying this shite just encourages tossers like him to say one thing, do another, then release "memoirs" when out of office and have the gall to demand money for it. How about telling the whole story when in power, when it matters?
Fuck him, and the horse he rode in on.
Ahem, not that I feel strongly about him, like..... "
Occasionally you get to read a post that really sums a situation up. And this is one.
Seeing Phoney Tony with those thin pursed lips and forced smile really makes me feel queasy.
Thanks to The Wolf. And I definitely wont be handing over any brass buying his book.
It'll be a pound in the charity shops next month. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i have yet to read it but i bet there is corruption and deciept in there, well they are into running the country are they not"
Does that mean everyone who runs or wants to run the country is corrupt and deceitful? |
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By *pecializedMan
over a year ago
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"i have yet to read it but i bet there is corruption and deciept in there, well they are into running the country are they not
Does that mean everyone who runs or wants to run the country is corrupt and deceitful?"
years of history cant be wrong can they |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Siren & I were discussing students and youngsters in general only this morning and if you consider that:
a) students are leaving uni up to £30k in debt,
b) many cannot gain employment if their chosen field,
c) cannot afford a mortgage until they are 37!
d) of those youngsters who do strive hard at school to go to uni, a 1/3 of them can't get in because there aren't enough places available.
.. it's not hard to see how many of the younger generation are adopting a 'fuck it, I'll just rack up a dozen credit cards and declare myself bankrupt to get out of it' attitude.
It is beginning to feel like society and government are sacrificing the young for the sake of those about to draw their pensions in a short term attempt to appease those most likely to vote for them in 5 years time. I pity the government when those students being shafted now get a collective conscience and vent their anger at the ballot box.
I am a Tory and I agree with the government's policies in principal but I am dismayed at how the young are being totally fucked over at the moment.
Faced with the choice, if I was approaching 16 today I'd head straight out to work after finishing high school, as going to University holds no guarantees these days. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i have yet to read it but i bet there is corruption and deciept in there, well they are into running the country are they not
Does that mean everyone who runs or wants to run the country is corrupt and deceitful?
years of history cant be wrong can they"
History, by definition, can't be wrong but, like many things, it's open to interpretation by those who may have an agenda of their own. |
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By *pecializedMan
over a year ago
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"i have yet to read it but i bet there is corruption and deciept in there, well they are into running the country are they not
Does that mean everyone who runs or wants to run the country is corrupt and deceitful?
years of history cant be wrong can they
History, by definition, can't be wrong but, like many things, it's open to interpretation by those who may have an agenda of their own."
so do you think they are deceitful or not, as history by definition is saying they are..... |
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A few pence here and there on bank shares. Wow.
Recent reports of 4 years of neagtive equity.
Millions now unemployed and quite like to remmain so.
Not just pension funds but the whole pension system fucked up?
A generation of "youngsters" with degrees of limited use, upto their eyeballs in stident debt, many without realistic hope of getting that wonderful career that "education,education, education" brings or having their first home.
It's gonna take some rise in bank shares to wipe that lot out."
I hardly think how ever many billion in profit it is now can be called a few pence. I think it was 9 billion before the recent share price rises.
The rest of what you say... well that's nothing new is it. We hear all that stuff every year.
The pension system is affected by global events, not just our UK debt.
Anyway... my point was not that the bank share price rise was going to be the sole saviour.... just that people whinge about shit and forget to look at the positives. But then why would this new lot want to shout about something good the other lot set up. It's all about making the most of the scape goat. Doing nothing but cutting back to the bone on spending is not the only way (never mind the best way) to get out of this pit... however it is the way they have chosen to do it, as they can blame the last lot for most of what they choose to do now. |
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By *pecializedMan
over a year ago
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A few pence here and there on bank shares. Wow.
Recent reports of 4 years of neagtive equity.
Millions now unemployed and quite like to remmain so.
Not just pension funds but the whole pension system fucked up?
A generation of "youngsters" with degrees of limited use, upto their eyeballs in stident debt, many without realistic hope of getting that wonderful career that "education,education, education" brings or having their first home.
It's gonna take some rise in bank shares to wipe that lot out.
I hardly think how ever many billion in profit it is now can be called a few pence. I think it was 9 billion before the recent share price rises.
The rest of what you say... well that's nothing new is it. We hear all that stuff every year.
The pension system is affected by global events, not just our UK debt.
Anyway... my point was not that the bank share price rise was going to be the sole saviour.... just that people whinge about shit and forget to look at the positives. But then why would this new lot want to shout about something good the other lot set up. It's all about making the most of the scape goat. Doing nothing but cutting back to the bone on spending is not the only way (never mind the best way) to get out of this pit... however it is the way they have chosen to do it, as they can blame the last lot for most of what they choose to do now."
very well put |
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"Siren & I were discussing students and youngsters in general only this morning and if you consider that:
a) students are leaving uni up to £30k in debt,
b) many cannot gain employment if their chosen field,
c) cannot afford a mortgage until they are 37!
d) of those youngsters who do strive hard at school to go to uni, a 1/3 of them can't get in because there aren't enough places available.
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Many leave uni with much lower loans.... which they do not have start repaying until they reach a certain level of income.
Many choose 'soft' degrees which are piss easy but have little opportunity at the end.
Some go out and gain work experience instead of drinking their time away.
More uni places than ever are out there.... some don't run because there isn't enough take-up. As you say there are not enough jobs for some graduates in their chosen field so why make even more places for that degree?
A degree doesn't instantly make someone employable! |
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By *pecializedMan
over a year ago
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"Siren & I were discussing students and youngsters in general only this morning and if you consider that:
a) students are leaving uni up to £30k in debt,
b) many cannot gain employment if their chosen field,
c) cannot afford a mortgage until they are 37!
d) of those youngsters who do strive hard at school to go to uni, a 1/3 of them can't get in because there aren't enough places available.
Many leave uni with much lower loans.... which they do not have start repaying until they reach a certain level of income.
Many choose 'soft' degrees which are piss easy but have little opportunity at the end.
Some go out and gain work experience instead of drinking their time away.
More uni places than ever are out there.... some don't run because there isn't enough take-up. As you say there are not enough jobs for some graduates in their chosen field so why make even more places for that degree?
A degree doesn't instantly make someone employable!"
degrees don't come with experience and as an employer i need experience everytime |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i have yet to read it but i bet there is corruption and deciept in there, well they are into running the country are they not
Does that mean everyone who runs or wants to run the country is corrupt and deceitful?
years of history cant be wrong can they
History, by definition, can't be wrong but, like many things, it's open to interpretation by those who may have an agenda of their own.
so do you think they are deceitful or not, as history by definition is saying they are....."
Who do you mean? How far back are you going? Brown/ Blair/ Bush? Major? Thatcher and the other Bush? Beyond that?
Some will have been deceitful - possibly for good reasons. Diplomacy for example or national security. Some may have been corrupt - Nixon certainly was.
Others? Plenty of allegations but precious little admissible evidence.
I suspect it all comes down to whether you like/ support the leader in question. |
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degrees don't come with experience and as an employer i need experience everytime"
I have the pleasant task of running summer placement programmes for students, along with pre-reg programmes for those degrees which require a 4th year doing the job before they fully graduate (these are proper professionals) …. However I also have the misfortune of looking after the intake of fecking various business type graduates.
Out of one group of 10, 7 turned up late for their first day. One got locked into a neighbouring building, one said they didn’t know where they were going and got lost (turning up 2 hours late), one misread the venue address (even though we sent a map) and went to a different city! 3 didn’t have any reason at all for being half an hour late… though I am guessing the Starbucks cups had something to do with it. Oh and the last one didn’t realise there would be traffic in the morning.
All of them wanted to know how to claim back fuel/parking//taxi/bus fare for travelling to their permanent place of work!
Half didn’t realise they might need a pen!
Four came back late from lunch… it wasn’t their fault there was a queue … yet still chose to eat in and not get a take-out allowing them to get back on time.
A bunch of useless wankers!
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I'm starting "Hindsight", a new political party.
We're going into coallition with the "Sweeping Generalisation" alliance.
We expect to be in power for generations, so don't piss us off.
We know where you live. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Siren & I were discussing students and youngsters in general only this morning and if you consider that:
a) students are leaving uni up to £30k in debt,
b) many cannot gain employment if their chosen field,
c) cannot afford a mortgage until they are 37!
d) of those youngsters who do strive hard at school to go to uni, a 1/3 of them can't get in because there aren't enough places available.
Many leave uni with much lower loans.... which they do not have start repaying until they reach a certain level of income.
Many choose 'soft' degrees which are piss easy but have little opportunity at the end.
Some go out and gain work experience instead of drinking their time away.
More uni places than ever are out there.... some don't run because there isn't enough take-up. As you say there are not enough jobs for some graduates in their chosen field so why make even more places for that degree?
A degree doesn't instantly make someone employable!"
I said up to £30k as a Law degree, for example, will cost that much by the time they're finished, but in the main most students will be somewhere between £10k-£15k in debt by the time they get through their finals.
The figures regarding availability were widely publicised only two weeks ago and 180,000 students didn't get a place at all. And maybe they knew the true value of soft degrees and decided it wasn't worth 4 years of study and went straight to market instead.
Our kids are brainwashed into believing that a University education is the best start in life they can get yet they are now finding that they have been lied to as the promised lucrative career ladder has got the first five rungs missing. |
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degrees don't come with experience and as an employer i need experience everytime
I have the pleasant task of running summer placement programmes for students, along with pre-reg programmes for those degrees which require a 4th year doing the job before they fully graduate (these are proper professionals) …. However I also have the misfortune of looking after the intake of fecking various business type graduates.
Out of one group of 10, 7 turned up late for their first day. One got locked into a neighbouring building, one said they didn’t know where they were going and got lost (turning up 2 hours late), one misread the venue address (even though we sent a map) and went to a different city! 3 didn’t have any reason at all for being half an hour late… though I am guessing the Starbucks cups had something to do with it. Oh and the last one didn’t realise there would be traffic in the morning.
All of them wanted to know how to claim back fuel/parking//taxi/bus fare for travelling to their permanent place of work!
Half didn’t realise they might need a pen!
Four came back late from lunch… it wasn’t their fault there was a queue … yet still chose to eat in and not get a take-out allowing them to get back on time.
A bunch of useless wankers!
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You obviously don't understand.
They have a DEGREE.
Having a degree is GOOD.
It's DESIRABLE from an employers point of view.
The fact that their degree is of no use to anyone, and is in a subject they have no prticular interest in anyway SHOULD NOT MATTER.
There SHOULD be JOBS for them. Paying 30K minimum!
Doing what? Fuck knows - they don't.
When i left skool early 80's there were 3 million unmeployed and you just fucking got on with it. The next generation all having degrees is a direct result of their parents seeing traditional industries and jobs disappear in the 80's and thinking, i don't want that to happen to my kid.
At no point did anyone think about what all these graduates might actually DO once they left Uni.
I hate to be Sir Tufton Bufton writing to the Telegraph, but fuck 'em.
The smart ones will make it in life by adapting, the twats wh think the worldowes them a living won't.
Natural selection - the best university in town people.
Charles Darwin is my Homie!!!
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"Siren & I were discussing students and youngsters in general only this morning and if you consider that:
a) students are leaving uni up to £30k in debt,
b) many cannot gain employment if their chosen field,
c) cannot afford a mortgage until they are 37!
d) of those youngsters who do strive hard at school to go to uni, a 1/3 of them can't get in because there aren't enough places available.
Many leave uni with much lower loans.... which they do not have start repaying until they reach a certain level of income.
Many choose 'soft' degrees which are piss easy but have little opportunity at the end.
Some go out and gain work experience instead of drinking their time away.
More uni places than ever are out there.... some don't run because there isn't enough take-up. As you say there are not enough jobs for some graduates in their chosen field so why make even more places for that degree?
A degree doesn't instantly make someone employable!
I said up to £30k as a Law degree, for example, will cost that much by the time they're finished, but in the main most students will be somewhere between £10k-£15k in debt by the time they get through their finals.
The figures regarding availability were widely publicised only two weeks ago and 180,000 students didn't get a place at all. And maybe they knew the true value of soft degrees and decided it wasn't worth 4 years of study and went straight to market instead.
Our kids are brainwashed into believing that a University education is the best start in life they can get yet they are now finding that they have been lied to as the promised lucrative career ladder has got the first five rungs missing."
Then best they stop whining and get climbing. |
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"Tony Blair- The Voyage.
Has he gone yet? Can I come out now? "
The book's called 'The Journey'.
I got it mixed up with the sequel: 'Tony Blair 2 - The Voyage Home' - a rip-roaring rollercoaster of a novel set in 1/16 of an acre of a shithole up in Sedgefield, where former Prime Minister Baron Blair faces his arch enemy Professor Brown as he tries to regain power through a series of dodgy manoeverings in Brussels and backstabbing on the after dinner circuit. There was a herione in the sequel but the publishers decreed that she was so fucking ugly that it made the book indigestable - or rather it would give it's readers indigestion. So Cherie has been packed off to Afghanistan to clear IEDs where she meets an Afghan warlord who kidnaps her, but when Ali Ali Akbar removes her body armour and anti-explosive helmet and sees her face he pays Tony to take her back. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Tony Blair- The Voyage.
Has he gone yet? Can I come out now?
The book's called 'The Journey'.
I got it mixed up with the sequel: 'Tony Blair 2 - The Voyage Home' - a rip-roaring rollercoaster of a novel set in 1/16 of an acre of a shithole up in Sedgefield, where former Prime Minister Baron Blair faces his arch enemy Professor Brown as he tries to regain power through a series of dodgy manoeverings in Brussels and backstabbing on the after dinner circuit. There was a herione in the sequel but the publishers decreed that she was so fucking ugly that it made the book indigestable - or rather it would give it's readers indigestion. So Cherie has been packed off to Afghanistan to clear IEDs where she meets an Afghan warlord who kidnaps her, but when Ali Ali Akbar removes her body armour and anti-explosive helmet and sees her face he pays Tony to take her back."
Yes!! i go out n buy it all selling now in all god major book shops! lol lol
The voyage isnt that star-trek? lol |
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"Will it be in the fiction section or are Tone be turning his back on 13 years of practice and be actually telling the truth?  "
i doubt if tony the phoney knows how to tell the truth as he been telling lies and getting away with it for so long now!.
all the lie telling has lead to a very lucrative career indeed for blair as he travels the world as middle east peace envoy and also gives after dinner speeches in the usa he is earning so much money now that he leaves our top earning soccer players way behind in the money stakes!,all this while the troops he sent to iraq & afghanistan to fight for his mate george bush & the yankee dollar continue to come home either in body bags or limbless and for what?,blair gets richer and richer yet the troops have to fight tooth & nail for compensation and when on leave cannot get served in corner shops or supermarkets because the uniform of the troops offends the shopkeeper!,(asian immigrants of course!).
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"Will it be in the fiction section or are Tone be turning his back on 13 years of practice and be actually telling the truth?
i doubt if tony the phoney knows how to tell the truth as he been telling lies and getting away with it for so long now!.
all the lie telling has lead to a very lucrative career indeed for blair as he travels the world as middle east peace envoy and also gives after dinner speeches in the usa he is earning so much money now that he leaves our top earning soccer players way behind in the money stakes!,all this while the troops he sent to iraq & afghanistan to fight for his mate george bush & the yankee dollar continue to come home either in body bags or limbless and for what?,blair gets richer and richer yet the troops have to fight tooth & nail for compensation and when on leave cannot get served in corner shops or supermarkets because the uniform of the troops offends the shopkeeper!,(asian immigrants of course!).
thank you mr blair for the legacy you have this country. "
It is a bit of a kick in the teeth when you look at it like that. As for the soldiers being refused service in shops etc... the sooner that becomes a crime the better. I'm surprised none of these shopkeepers have had their shop windows put through yet. |
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
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"Siren & I were discussing students and youngsters in general only this morning and if you consider that:
a) students are leaving uni up to £30k in debt,
b) many cannot gain employment if their chosen field,
c) cannot afford a mortgage until they are 37!
d) of those youngsters who do strive hard at school to go to uni, a 1/3 of them can't get in because there aren't enough places available.
Many leave uni with much lower loans.... which they do not have start repaying until they reach a certain level of income.
Many choose 'soft' degrees which are piss easy but have little opportunity at the end.
Some go out and gain work experience instead of drinking their time away.
More uni places than ever are out there.... some don't run because there isn't enough take-up. As you say there are not enough jobs for some graduates in their chosen field so why make even more places for that degree?
A degree doesn't instantly make someone employable!"
I agree with what you`ve said Polo! Equally, those who`ve worked bloody hard at getting good results in worthwhile subjects, have been shafted by the companies that should be employing them by using the cheaper option of bringing in ready qualified staff from overseas and not spending money on training up home grown talent. |
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It does make me laugh when people throw insults at Cherie Blair, infinitely more intelligent than the majority on here, with a better education and better career than most as well.
First Class Honours degree in Law, top of her year in Bar exams, went on to teach law before becoming a barrister in 1976.
A QC, with earnings that outshine most, a very succesful Law career and wealthy in her own right.
The old 'Green eyed monster' is alive and kicking in here at times..... |
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"It does make me laugh when people throw insults at Cherie Blair, infinitely more intelligent than the majority on here, with a better education and better career than most as well.
First Class Honours degree in Law, top of her year in Bar exams, went on to teach law before becoming a barrister in 1976.
A QC, with earnings that outshine most, a very succesful Law career and wealthy in her own right.
The old 'Green eyed monster' is alive and kicking in here at times....."
...and she jumped the barriers to catch a train to Luton where she was due to sit as a magistrate because she was late for her train. Whilst pregnant.
She was fined for that. Smart girl. |
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"It does make me laugh when people throw insults at Cherie Blair, infinitely more intelligent than the majority on here, with a better education and better career than most as well.
First Class Honours degree in Law, top of her year in Bar exams, went on to teach law before becoming a barrister in 1976.
A QC, with earnings that outshine most, a very succesful Law career and wealthy in her own right.
The old 'Green eyed monster' is alive and kicking in here at times....."
The Cherie knockers make me laugh too. clever woman, ok a bit arsy in some interviews but she is a QC so has to have a strong opinion to do that job. I wouldn't fuck her though if her and Tony were swingers  |
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Well compared to the wife of David Cameron she is infinitely more intelligent and succesful in her own right....Samantha Cameron being a costume jewellery designer, who has since stopped working to devote more time to her duties as the Prime Ministers wife.
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"Well compared to the wife of David Cameron she is infinitely more intelligent and succesful in her own right....Samantha Cameron being a costume jewellery designer, who has since stopped working to devote more time to her duties as the Prime Ministers wife.
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She helped him win the election as a dutiful wife so why not continue to help him become a successful Prime Minister.
Behind every successful man etc... |
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"It does make me laugh when people throw insults at Cherie Blair, infinitely more intelligent than the majority on here, with a better education and better career than most as well.
First Class Honours degree in Law, top of her year in Bar exams, went on to teach law before becoming a barrister in 1976.
A QC, with earnings that outshine most, a very succesful Law career and wealthy in her own right.
The old 'Green eyed monster' is alive and kicking in here at times....."
she may be blessed with intelligence, but i think it's fair to say her lapses in judgement could allow a person to question how blessed she is with common sense. let's not forget carol caplin, the party funds she used for an astronomical hairdressing bill before we even challenge the issue on 'those' properties in bristol.... |
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"It does make me laugh when people throw insults at Cherie Blair, infinitely more intelligent than the majority on here, with a better education and better career than most as well.
First Class Honours degree in Law, top of her year in Bar exams, went on to teach law before becoming a barrister in 1976.
A QC, with earnings that outshine most, a very succesful Law career and wealthy in her own right.
The old 'Green eyed monster' is alive and kicking in here at times.....
The Cherie knockers make me laugh too. clever woman, ok a bit arsy in some interviews but she is a QC so has to have a strong opinion to do that job. I wouldn't fuck her though if her and Tony were swingers "
I'd rather shag Tony tbh. He's not a bad looking guy and has got better with age. Cherie looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp. |
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"Shhhhh don't tell anyone but I just came back from my local Waterstones where I moved all of Tony Blair's autobiographies to the crime section hehehehe. "
PMSL. Should have been further categorised as 'Unsolved Crimes' |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
Up North :-) |
"It does make me laugh when people throw insults at Cherie Blair, infinitely more intelligent than the majority on here, with a better education and better career than most as well.
First Class Honours degree in Law, top of her year in Bar exams, went on to teach law before becoming a barrister in 1976.
A QC, with earnings that outshine most, a very succesful Law career and wealthy in her own right.
The old 'Green eyed monster' is alive and kicking in here at times.....
The Cherie knockers make me laugh too. clever woman, ok a bit arsy in some interviews but she is a QC so has to have a strong opinion to do that job. I wouldn't fuck her though if her and Tony were swingers
I'd rather shag Tony tbh. He's not a bad looking guy and has got better with age. Cherie looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp. "
So would William Hague if the revelations are true!
(Don't you just love the Tory's bringing back good old sex scandals to the ruling party) |
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At least they are making politics scandalous again and giving the tabloids some juicy stories once more, couldn't help noticing yet another married Tory MP coming out of the closet at the weekend and declaring he was gay and dumping his wife and daughter.
Keep expecting to see photos of Theresa May appearing in the NOTW in her PVC outfit brandishing a bullwhip....
Never did understand William Hagues wife marrying such a twonk.....now it seems it could be a cover-up marriage (allegedly) |
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over a year ago
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"At least they are making politics scandalous again and giving the tabloids some juicy stories once more, couldn't help noticing yet another married Tory MP coming out of the closet at the weekend and declaring he was gay and dumping his wife and daughter.
Keep expecting to see photos of Theresa May appearing in the NOTW in her PVC outfit brandishing a bullwhip....
Never did understand William Hagues wife marrying such a twonk.....now it seems it could be a cover-up marriage (allegedly)"
Where are the pictures of the gimp, Theresa May, Willie Hague cavorting in a swingers club when you need them!  |
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"At least they are making politics scandalous again and giving the tabloids some juicy stories once more, couldn't help noticing yet another married Tory MP coming out of the closet at the weekend and declaring he was gay and dumping his wife and daughter.
Keep expecting to see photos of Theresa May appearing in the NOTW in her PVC outfit brandishing a bullwhip....
Never did understand William Hagues wife marrying such a twonk.....now it seems it could be a cover-up marriage (allegedly)
Where are the pictures of the gimp, Theresa May, Willie Hague cavorting in a swingers club when you need them! "
Just photoshopping them at the moment |
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"At least they are making politics scandalous again and giving the tabloids some juicy stories once more, couldn't help noticing yet another married Tory MP coming out of the closet at the weekend and declaring he was gay and dumping his wife and daughter.
Keep expecting to see photos of Theresa May appearing in the NOTW in her PVC outfit brandishing a bullwhip....
Never did understand William Hagues wife marrying such a twonk.....now it seems it could be a cover-up marriage (allegedly)
Where are the pictures of the gimp, Theresa May, Willie Hague cavorting in a swingers club when you need them! "
Damn....knew I should have taken some shots of Madame Theresa at Torture Gardens club with my smuggled in camera phone.....doh! |
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Hague has gone to great lengths to dispel the rumour about him being homosexual. He and his wife have been trying for a baby for years and have suffered several miscarriages and between them theyt have always said, "If only they knew the truth."
This rumour-mongering has forced him to put what is an intensely personal issue for him and his wife right out in the public eye, and it has cost a gifted young man his job too, as the other innocent victim in all of this felt he couldn't continue with such aspersions on his character being hoiked around the tabloids.
Freedom of speech by the media should be guarded closely as abusing it could lead to it being removed altogether. |
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over a year ago
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"Hague has gone to great lengths to dispel the rumour about him being homosexual. He and his wife have been trying for a baby for years and have suffered several miscarriages and between them theyt have always said, "If only they knew the truth."
This rumour-mongering has forced him to put what is an intensely personal issue for him and his wife right out in the public eye, and it has cost a gifted young man his job too, as the other innocent victim in all of this felt he couldn't continue with such aspersions on his character being hoiked around the tabloids.
Freedom of speech by the media should be guarded closely as abusing it could lead to it being removed altogether."
To me i thought "the man do protest too much". John Prescott would have laughed and said a "load of bollocks" but Pressa didn't do fagging at a poncey school i guess. |
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I'm not saying Hague is a homosexual but equally wouldn't bet my house that he isn't, remember that Crispin Blunt fervently denied rumours regarding his sexuality in 2006....
Prominent Members of Parliament sharing a hotel room with their same sex advisors to save money?....common practice?, I would guess probably not. |
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"Hague has gone to great lengths to dispel the rumour about him being homosexual. He and his wife have been trying for a baby for years and have suffered several miscarriages and between them theyt have always said, "If only they knew the truth."
This rumour-mongering has forced him to put what is an intensely personal issue for him and his wife right out in the public eye, and it has cost a gifted young man his job too, as the other innocent victim in all of this felt he couldn't continue with such aspersions on his character being hoiked around the tabloids.
Freedom of speech by the media should be guarded closely as abusing it could lead to it being removed altogether.
To me i thought "the man do protest too much". John Prescott would have laughed and said a "load of bollocks" but Pressa didn't do fagging at a poncey school i guess."
Hey! that mans very good i have u know.. |
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Prominent Members of Parliament sharing a hotel room with their same sex advisors to save money?....common practice?, I would guess probably not."
In light of the expenses scandal AND all the main parties campagining the election on cutbacks across the board I guess Hague thought he was leading by example and saving taxpayers money. Can't do right for doing wrong to some it appears. So now he can't be faulted for adopting the policy of 'if he is going to be hung, he might as well be guilty' with regards to expenses and we'll have to foot the bill for seperate rooms for him and his staff.
Or, just maybe, in the middle of a fierce election he felt he needed his advisor with him at all times to discuss anything that pops up, that requires their immediate attention.
(there ya go, left it wide open for ya hehehe) |
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Just read ya interesting info.....true i think,,,but not just quite...im still into labour,,blair,,,brown,,,n all the up coming new people.
i thank u.  |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"I'm not saying Hague is a homosexual but equally wouldn't bet my house that he isn't, remember that Crispin Blunt fervently denied rumours regarding his sexuality in 2006....
Prominent Members of Parliament sharing a hotel room with their same sex advisors to save money?....common practice?, I would guess probably not."
That's the think i think says it didn't happen to me though. Separate rooms with a connecting door for a midnight arse bandit session would have been more furtive and in reality more discreet. |
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"Just read ya interesting info.....true i think,,,but not just quite...im still into labour,,blair,,,brown,,,n all the up coming new people.
i thank u. "
Look forward to a decade in the wilderness then. The Millibands have got Labour sewn up just like the Krays ran the East End. Cross them if you dare. |
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"I'm not saying Hague is a homosexual but equally wouldn't bet my house that he isn't, remember that Crispin Blunt fervently denied rumours regarding his sexuality in 2006....
Prominent Members of Parliament sharing a hotel room with their same sex advisors to save money?....common practice?, I would guess probably not.
That's the think i think says it didn't happen to me though. Separate rooms with a connecting door for a midnight arse bandit session would have been more furtive and in reality more discreet. "
Is that u then?? the arse bandit?
wheres smokey? lol |
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The 'other man' in the allegation was not registered with Parliament as an official paid constituancy aide until the rumours started, Cabinet members are not permitted more than Two paid aides yet for some reason Hague comes up with this 'He is just a personal aide and advisor' tale to cover the fact he already had Two long term paid aides in position since 2007.
Funnily enough his other Two official aides have never shared a room with Hague, but then again they are probably not attractive young men.
Maybe as Wishy said he is just sharing a bedroom with this guy to save the country some money in these times of austerity within government.... |
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"The 'other man' in the allegation was not registered with Parliament as an official paid constituancy aide until the rumours started, Cabinet members are not permitted more than Two paid aides yet for some reason Hague comes up with this 'He is just a personal aide and advisor' tale to cover the fact he already had Two long term paid aides in position since 2007.
Funnily enough his other Two official aides have never shared a room with Hague, but then again they are probably not attractive young men.
Maybe as Wishy said he is just sharing a bedroom with this guy to save the country some money in these times of austerity within government.... "
Yeah! or car share! lol |
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"Maybe as Wishy said he is just sharing a bedroom with this guy to save the country some money in these times of austerity within government....
It's possible. Innit? "
Dont know---oats possible nowadays! lol |
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"Maybe as Wishy said he is just sharing a bedroom with this guy to save the country some money in these times of austerity within government....
It's possible. Innit? "
being discussed on Jeremy Vine now. |
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"Maybe as Wishy said he is just sharing a bedroom with this guy to save the country some money in these times of austerity within government....
It's possible. Innit?
Dont know---oats possible nowadays! lol "
What's porridge got to do with it? |
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"Maybe as Wishy said he is just sharing a bedroom with this guy to save the country some money in these times of austerity within government....
It's possible. Innit?
being discussed on Jeremy Vine now."
Which station is he on now? |
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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago
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"I'm not saying Hague is a homosexual but equally wouldn't bet my house that he isn't, remember that Crispin Blunt fervently denied rumours regarding his sexuality in 2006....
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Does he have to be one or the other? Maybe he's just bisexual, there's a lot of it about, you know! |
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I couldn't give a stuff about his sexuality, what is important is the fact that Hague employed this 'Special Advisor to The Foreign Office' at taxpayers (our) expense.
Even though at the age of Twenty Five Christopher Myers has no proven record of having worked in International matters, has had no history of working with Central Government before he became Hagues 'friend', nor has he any proven experience in foreign business or trade.
Yet he qualifies as a 'Special Advisor' to the Foreign Office with a £40,000 wage to go with the position?.
The smokescreen that Hague has attempted to throw over this matter with his statement about his wifes 'multiple miscarriages' is frankly amateur and ridiculous.
The question still stands over why Hague chose a constituency 'friend', to fill the position of an expert in foreign matters.....at our expense. |
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tony lyin bastard blairs memoirs should be in the fiction section the sleekit lookin sleazy obnoxious vile murdering underhanded religion turning creep!!
no wonder he converted to catholicism i would too if i felt that much guilt!
i refuse to buy it on principal il wait to someone leaves it on a train or summat!
as for william bum banger hague nice to see him bringin the usual tory sex scandals to the media again iv missed all that since john majors back to basics campaign which resulted in the tory party loyals fatherin enough illegitimate children to open their own branch of the csa!
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Wishy will remain a Tory Boy until Cameron brings in a few things that directly affect him and his....then he will once again be looking for someone else to vote for.
I don't think voting Conservative for the first time in 17 years makes anyone a true Tory, just a fair weather voter in my book.
And Immigration wasn't invented by New Labour Wishy, there were millions of immigrants that entered the UK from the early sixties until 1997, they have become part of what makes up this country. |
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"Wishy will remain a Tory Boy until Cameron brings in a few things that directly affect him and his....then he will once again be looking for someone else to vote for.
I don't think voting Conservative for the first time in 17 years makes anyone a true Tory, just a fair weather voter in my book.
And Immigration wasn't invented by New Labour Wishy, there were millions of immigrants that entered the UK from the early sixties until 1997, they have become part of what makes up this country."
Is it a moral crime to change the way one votes? I thought that was the fundamental mainstay of democracy - the freedom to choose.
I can't be the only one who does it as the fact that governments change demonstrates that enough fair weather voters exist. It is even more ludicrous to vote for a party on the simple basis that you have always voted for them, or grandad voted for them so I will. What sort of conscientious decision is that!
Ok, so they never actually do everything they say will before they get elected, but I believe it's more about getting rid of a party that has clearly lost it's way than electing a new party that hasn't found theirs yet.
I'm positive that one day the Tories won't seem so attractive to me any longer, but if that happens in 10-15 years time I'll be approaching retirement age and I'll want the best deal for me then as opposed to now - when I'm still working and have another 15-20 of doing so.
Circumstances change as time passes and one's political leanings should reflect that. What use is free university places to a man of 60, when he'd far more appreciate an increase in his pension or a favourable tax break on it. |
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Lets face it, politicians do lie....doesn't matter what political party they are representing, the general population hear very little of what really goes on in the cabinet, particularly foreign policy.
There is a saying...."Truth, you want the truth?.....you couldn't handle the truth"!, that just about sums politics up, we the people couldn't handle the truth of half of what goes on in much of politics.
Yes we probably did go to war with Iraq over oil, but then again we probably want to hang onto the Falklands for much the same reason truth be told....
To think we should be hearing the truth in all foreign policy decisions is a little nieve to say the least, the British public would find most of it unpalletable (spelling?). |
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By *ig badMan
over a year ago
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"Wishy will remain a Tory Boy until Cameron brings in a few things that directly affect him and his....then he will once again be looking for someone else to vote for.
I don't think voting Conservative for the first time in 17 years makes anyone a true Tory, just a fair weather voter in my book.
And Immigration wasn't invented by New Labour Wishy, there were millions of immigrants that entered the UK from the early sixties until 1997, they have become part of what makes up this country."
WHEN Dave brings in ID cards i will be grinning sooooooooooo much He he he |
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"Yes we probably did go to war with Iraq over oil, but then again we probably want to hang onto the Falklands for much the same reason truth be told....
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Did we know about that oil in 1982? How come it's taken so long to start fetching it up?
*goes to Google* |
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Earlier in the thread Wishy you said..."I am a Tory", my post is in response to that because voting Tory once in 17 years doesn't make you a Tory...it makes you a floating voter, not that there is anything wrong in that... but I take you saying you are a Tory in the same way that most Manchester United supporters are glory hunters too.... |
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"Yes we probably did go to war with Iraq over oil, but then again we probably want to hang onto the Falklands for much the same reason truth be told....
Did we know about that oil in 1982? How come it's taken so long to start fetching it up?
*goes to Google*"
They know oil was under the south pole but costs at that time and oil value made it too expensive to extract. Even now its low profit but if oil prices go up then brass will be made. |
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"Wishy will remain a Tory Boy until Cameron brings in a few things that directly affect him and his....then he will once again be looking for someone else to vote for.
I don't think voting Conservative for the first time in 17 years makes anyone a true Tory, just a fair weather voter in my book.
And Immigration wasn't invented by New Labour Wishy, there were millions of immigrants that entered the UK from the early sixties until 1997, they have become part of what makes up this country.
WHEN Dave brings in ID cards i will be grinning sooooooooooo much He he he "
I'll vote the fuckers out long before that happens - or disappear.
ps. Jane - palatable. |
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They have been test drilling for oil in the Falklands waters for over Twenty years, just last year they announced that they had located what they thought could be a possible major oil source.
Funnily enough it was around the time the Argentinians started off about owning the 'Malvinas' again, funny that. |
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"Wishy will remain a Tory Boy until Cameron brings in a few things that directly affect him and his....then he will once again be looking for someone else to vote for.
I don't think voting Conservative for the first time in 17 years makes anyone a true Tory, just a fair weather voter in my book.
And Immigration wasn't invented by New Labour Wishy, there were millions of immigrants that entered the UK from the early sixties until 1997, they have become part of what makes up this country.
WHEN Dave brings in ID cards i will be grinning sooooooooooo much He he he
I'll vote the fuckers out long before that happens - or disappear.
ps. Jane - palatable. "
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"They have been test drilling for oil in the Falklands waters for over Twenty years, just last year they announced that they had located what they thought could be a possible major oil source.
Funnily enough it was around the time the Argentinians started off about owning the 'Malvinas' again, funny that."
It was well after the Falklands war when drilling started. Surveys were done a long time ago but the first actual drilling for oil to extract only started in feb this year. |
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My brother in Law was in the Falklands in 1996 (armed forces) and they were pilot drilling then (Shell).
When he left the forces he went on to work directly for Shell in places like the Niger Delta.
Amerada Hess were there before Shell in the early 90's pilot drilling. |
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"Earlier in the thread Wishy you said..."I am a Tory", my post is in response to that because voting Tory once in 17 years doesn't make you a Tory...it makes you a floating voter, not that there is anything wrong in that... but I take you saying you are a Tory in the same way that most Manchester United supporters are glory hunters too...."
I am a Tory because I voted for them in the election and remain convinced their policies are the best for me and my family at this time. I've been a Liberal Party member in the past and I voted Blair in in 1997 because the Tories were in as much disarray then as Labour are now.
But, I am beginning to see that my fundamental political ideals are more closely aligned with the Conservative Party than any other. The Liberal Party have a lot of policies that I agree with but a few I wholeheartedly disagree with. Conversely, Labour have a few policies I like but many many more I don't.
As for football, I am a Manchester United supporter because my older brother threatened to kick my head in if I supported his team when we were 5 and 6 years old. Spurs are shit anyway. |
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I'm thinking about my kids and what I want for them. Am seriously considering encouraging my kids to learn a trade. At least they have that to fall back on and lets face it by the time they are allowed to retire, probably nearer 80 they will probably have changed their careers a few times. |
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"My brother in Law was in the Falklands in 1996 (armed forces) and they were pilot drilling then (Shell).
When he left the forces he went on to work directly for Shell in places like the Niger Delta.
Amerada Hess were there before Shell in the early 90's pilot drilling."
They were drilling for gas in 96 not oil as its a different process. They are still not sure if they will be able to extract and ship any oil found if they do. Added to that the new softy regs that are about to be made mandatory in drilling may put the southern fields below the islands out the viable extraction bracket. |
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despite what people say about them i still think that john prescott and peter mandelson are fine upstanding politicians and a credit to the labour party!,they did not mean to mislead the british people they just did what they did out of pure greed!. |
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"Yes lots of people add smileys onto a comment and pass them off as jokes.
That was an offensive joke bordering on racism....maybe you should rethink your jokes."
I disagree. msnwty and I have reached an understanding about each other and we take the piss out of each other's politics but keep it light hearted. I'm sure she read the statement with the humour I intended for her to read into it.
If I wanted to be racist I'd have said that all foreigners should be drowned upon arrival into the UK but I don't believe that so I wouldn't say it. To implicate racism in a harmless statement a bit OTT when there was absolutely no malice behind the statement. If I was a member of the BNP and used those words I'd say you have grounds to call me a racist, and yes, I know not all racists are members of the BNP, but I'd wage that all BNP members are racist. |
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"Yes lots of people add smileys onto a comment and pass them off as jokes.
That was an offensive joke bordering on racism....maybe you should rethink your jokes."
I will repeat.....That was an offensive joke bordering on racism....maybe you should rethink your jokes.
It doesn't matter who you have an understanding with, it isn't acceptable on here. |
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I didn't intend this thread about Blair's book to degrade into what racism is as that's not what his book is about. I apologise for my remark, (I wont repeat it here or this post will have to be deleted also), and although it was not intended to be anything remotely racist I appraciate that it could have been construed as such. I over stepped the mark on this occasion and apologise unreservedly for it. |
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"Wishy will remain a Tory Boy until Cameron brings in a few things that directly affect him and his....then he will once again be looking for someone else to vote for.
I don't think voting Conservative for the first time in 17 years makes anyone a true Tory, just a fair weather voter in my book.
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To paraphrase Tony Benn; People can be divided into signposts and weathercocks. Some people are affected by the prevailing (political) wind discard any principles they may have had for short term gain. They're weathercocks.
Signposts always point in the same direction. You might not like the way they point, you might not like how hard the road is and you might not like the destination they're pointing to but come back year after year and they're still there, rock solid, pointing in what they belive to be the right direction.
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"Wishy will remain a Tory Boy until Cameron brings in a few things that directly affect him and his....then he will once again be looking for someone else to vote for.
I don't think voting Conservative for the first time in 17 years makes anyone a true Tory, just a fair weather voter in my book.
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To paraphrase Tony Benn; People can be divided into signposts and weathercocks. Some people are affected by the prevailing (political) wind discard any principles they may have had for short term gain. They're weathercocks.
Signposts always point in the same direction. You might not like the way they point, you might not like how hard the road is and you might not like the destination they're pointing to but come back year after year and they're still there, rock solid, pointing in what they belive to be the right direction.
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That places most of the political parties in the 'weathercock' description then as they've all deviated from their traditional stances (Labour/Left, Liberal/Middle, Tory/Right)
Labour have moved to centre left and the Tories have moved into centre right. The Liberals are the true weathcocks and float whichever way they can gain power. Let's not forget that if Brown had offered Clegg a better deal than Cameron did then we'd have a very different political landscape today. |
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"The 'other man' in the allegation was not registered with Parliament as an official paid constituancy aide until the rumours started, Cabinet members are not permitted more than Two paid aides yet for some reason Hague comes up with this 'He is just a personal aide and advisor' tale to cover the fact he already had Two long term paid aides in position since 2007.
Funnily enough his other Two official aides have never shared a room with Hague, but then again they are probably not attractive young men.
Maybe as Wishy said he is just sharing a bedroom with this guy to save the country some money in these times of austerity within government.... "
yes , a lot of multi millionares try to save a few quid like this
the smell of another blokes trainers by the side of the bed , and the sound of farting during the night , is a small price to pay for having the chek cut in half
i wonder if he flew economy class when he visited china recently ?
or in a moment of madness forked out 7 thousand quid for one of the "posh" seats , that lay flat |
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"Siren & I were discussing students and youngsters in general only this morning and if you consider that:
a) students are leaving uni up to £30k in debt,
b) many cannot gain employment if their chosen field,
c) cannot afford a mortgage until they are 37!
d) of those youngsters who do strive hard at school to go to uni, a 1/3 of them can't get in because there aren't enough places available.
.. it's not hard to see how many of the younger generation are adopting a 'fuck it, I'll just rack up a dozen credit cards and declare myself bankrupt to get out of it' attitude.
It is beginning to feel like society and government are sacrificing the young for the sake of those about to draw their pensions in a short term attempt to appease those most likely to vote for them in 5 years time. I pity the government when those students being shafted now get a collective conscience and vent their anger at the ballot box.
I am a Tory and I agree with the government's policies in principal but I am dismayed at how the young are being totally fucked over at the moment.
Faced with the choice, if I was approaching 16 today I'd head straight out to work after finishing high school, as going to University holds no guarantees these days."
i would go straight out to work at 16 also
and try get one of those jobs where you sit and play cards all day , or are on call indefinately lol
serriously ......... what is to stop these graduates emigrating to australia saudi wherever , and saying goodbye to the 30k debt they have racked up ?
cos thats what i would consider doing ! |
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That places most of the political parties in the 'weathercock' description then as they've all deviated from their traditional stances (Labour/Left, Liberal/Middle, Tory/Right)
Labour have moved to centre left and the Tories have moved into centre right. The Liberals are the true weathcocks and float whichever way they can gain power. Let's not forget that if Brown had offered Clegg a better deal than Cameron did then we'd have a very different political landscape today."
Nothing Gordon could have offered Clegg could have overcome the fundamental problem of arithmetic. There were those around Brown who were so desperate to hang onto power at any cost that they would have done just about anything.
Gordon finally got so fed up with their antics he pissed off to the palace and called the wooing off.
When Clegg climbed into bed with Cameron he could scarcely have imagine the monumental arse-fucking he was about to receive. Still, it's nothing compared to what he can expect at his party conference. |
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over a year ago
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"Yes lots of people add smileys onto a comment and pass them off as jokes.
That was an offensive joke bordering on racism....maybe you should rethink your jokes.
I disagree. msnwty and I have reached an understanding about each other and we take the piss out of each other's politics but keep it light hearted. I'm sure she read the statement with the humour I intended for her to read into it.
If I wanted to be racist I'd have said that all foreigners should be drowned upon arrival into the UK but I don't believe that so I wouldn't say it. To implicate racism in a harmless statement a bit OTT when there was absolutely no malice behind the statement. If I was a member of the BNP and used those words I'd say you have grounds to call me a racist, and yes, I know not all racists are members of the BNP, but I'd wage that all BNP members are racist."
so what is a racist?,does he/she have to be of a certain colour or come from a certain country to be a racist?,ie can anyone be a racist or just a priviliged few have thjat name tag?. |
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The difference between the Tories and Labour was that Brown would never have got the agreement past rank and file Labour Party members, there was no appetite for a coalition agreement within the Labour family.
Brown never was the choice of the membership in the first place and it was far better to let go of power and rid the party of a lame duck leader.
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The thing is here look:
id like to say wot if u went into a bookshop and actually brought that boo which i may do...u probably find u sen walking down a corridor! lol
engrosed in ya reading! lol |
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"Gordon finally got so fed up with their antics he pissed off to the palace and called the wooing off.
When Clegg climbed into bed with Cameron he could scarcely have imagine the monumental arse-fucking he was about to receive. Still, it's nothing compared to what he can expect at his party conference."
Brown went to the palace the moment he knew his time was up, if he was pissed off it was only because he knew he was out. He'd have done the deal if he could have, he said as much when he invited Clegg into talks - shit scared that Cameron would beat him to making a deal with the Libs.
And yes, you're right, Clegg is in for a real rough ride at the party conference but a small part of me is wondering if the party whips will be out in full force to head off ANY dissention in the rank and file membership. |
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"Gordon finally got so fed up with their antics he pissed off to the palace and called the wooing off.
When Clegg climbed into bed with Cameron he could scarcely have imagine the monumental arse-fucking he was about to receive. Still, it's nothing compared to what he can expect at his party conference.
Brown went to the palace the moment he knew his time was up, if he was pissed off it was only because he knew he was out. He'd have done the deal if he could have, he said as much when he invited Clegg into talks - shit scared that Cameron would beat him to making a deal with the Libs.
And yes, you're right, Clegg is in for a real rough ride at the party conference but a small part of me is wondering if the party whips will be out in full force to head off ANY dissention in the rank and file membership."
OOooo god! yeah well i do slightly agree there. |
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" .........And yes, you're right, Clegg is in for a real rough ride at the party conference but a small part of me is wondering if the party whips will be out in full force to head off ANY dissention in the rank and file membership."
The Liberal party whips don't have much control over the rank and file membership. Grass roots Fib Dems are a notoriously inpedendent minded bunch and don't put up with that sorta shit.
Fib Dem members at Westminster, with one or two notable exceptions (like Kennedy the bevvy merchant and Simon Hughes) will continue to sell their first born child for a ministerial Jag. |
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" .........And yes, you're right, Clegg is in for a real rough ride at the party conference but a small part of me is wondering if the party whips will be out in full force to head off ANY dissention in the rank and file membership.
The Liberal party whips don't have much control over the rank and file membership. Grass roots Fib Dems are a notoriously inpedendent minded bunch and don't put up with that sorta shit.
Fib Dem members at Westminster, with one or two notable exceptions (like Kennedy the bevvy merchant and Simon Hughes) will continue to sell their first born child for a ministerial Jag."
Well u got it wrong there my old china...because any1 in the labour paryy would never do that,,,they r decent folk,,,n libs well they r nutters n anything usually happens with them! |
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labour under tory blair was to appeal to middle britain and them that were convinced they were middle class because auntie maggie let them buy their council houses!
labour is so far removed from its socialist roots its better described as tory in primark clothing!
as for the lib dems well i can say my faith in them is shattered completely, they seem to be sittin dithering and never seem to say anythin or object to anything!
anyway still on the subject of tony blairs book has anyone actually read the full thing yet and is it any good or just more stroking of his over inflated ego and startling revelations that he liked a drink! whoop de fuckin doo he drove most of us to drink!!
its sad really when you see the achievements they did make with workers rights and the lifting children out of poverty and winter fuel payments etc all to be forgotten because he led us into a war we will never win xx |
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All i can say ----is BUY THE BOOK!! lol
u can shout n complain,,,rant n rave to ure hearts content in the cosy'ness of ure private home..
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"anyway still on the subject of tony blairs book has anyone actually read the full thing yet and is it any good or just more stroking of his over inflated ego and startling revelations that he liked a drink! whoop de fuckin doo he drove most of us to drink!!"
Still waiting for Amazon to send it. They're usually pretty good but I suspect demand might be high.  |
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"anyway still on the subject of tony blairs book has anyone actually read the full thing yet and is it any good or just more stroking of his over inflated ego and startling revelations that he liked a drink! whoop de fuckin doo he drove most of us to drink!!
Still waiting for Amazon to send it. They're usually pretty good but I suspect demand might be high. "
Typical that! blooming internet sales,,im still waiting for my VUVUZELA horn n sent off 4 it back in june!!
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"anyway still on the subject of tony blairs book has anyone actually read the full thing yet and is it any good or just more stroking of his over inflated ego and startling revelations that he liked a drink! whoop de fuckin doo he drove most of us to drink!!
Still waiting for Amazon to send it. They're usually pretty good but I suspect demand might be high. "
is it out on general release yet though?? amazon usually dead quick with deliveries x |
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"anyway still on the subject of tony blairs book has anyone actually read the full thing yet and is it any good or just more stroking of his over inflated ego and startling revelations that he liked a drink! whoop de fuckin doo he drove most of us to drink!!
Still waiting for Amazon to send it. They're usually pretty good but I suspect demand might be high.
is it out on general release yet though?? amazon usually dead quick with deliveries x"
Dont know yet,,,i.ll check it ..lol |
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I waited bloody ages for a book from amazon,forgot all about it as I needed it for research for an exam which had been and gone........ then our local postie was charged with holding 70,000 items of post
hope he enjoyed it |
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Lol was intrigued by the fact that B...liar wanted ta sack Brown lol
Oh well we knows who ta blame then lol
Was also intrigued by the fact that B....liar thinks that the coalition politics on the economy are probably what he would have done lol xx |
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Blair could have got an agreement for a coalition from the Labour Party Executive, whereas Brown would never have been able to push it through as it would have included him standing down as an unwanted leader......or lame duck |
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"Blair could have got an agreement for a coalition from the Labour Party Executive, whereas Brown would never have been able to push it through as it would have included him standing down as an unwanted leader......or lame duck"
i actually agree with ya there hun
Brown was labours biggest mistake
And that's comin from a true blue as ya know lol xx |
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"anyway still on the subject of tony blairs book has anyone actually read the full thing yet and is it any good or just more stroking of his over inflated ego and startling revelations that he liked a drink! whoop de fuckin doo he drove most of us to drink!!
Still waiting for Amazon to send it. They're usually pretty good but I suspect demand might be high.
is it out on general release yet though?? amazon usually dead quick with deliveries x"
Yes. I picked up a copy in Waterstones this afternoon. |
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"Blair could have got an agreement for a coalition from the Labour Party Executive, whereas Brown would never have been able to push it through as it would have included him standing down as an unwanted leader......or lame duck
i actually agree with ya there hun
Brown was labours biggest mistake
And that's comin from a true blue as ya know lol xx "
I disagree. Blair was in many ways a bigger mistake than Brown. Brown could have won in 1997 and would be winning still had we not had Blair/ Bush/ Iraq. |
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"Blair could have got an agreement for a coalition from the Labour Party Executive, whereas Brown would never have been able to push it through as it would have included him standing down as an unwanted leader......or lame duck
i actually agree with ya there hun
Brown was labours biggest mistake
And that's comin from a true blue as ya know lol xx
I disagree. Blair was in many ways a bigger mistake than Brown. Brown could have won in 1997 and would be winning still had we not had Blair/ Bush/ Iraq."
I too wish Brown had been leader instead of all those years of Blair - we'd have got rid of Labour a lot sooner and wouldn't be in so much fookin debt either! |
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"Blair could have got an agreement for a coalition from the Labour Party Executive, whereas Brown would never have been able to push it through as it would have included him standing down as an unwanted leader......or lame duck
i actually agree with ya there hun
Brown was labours biggest mistake
And that's comin from a true blue as ya know lol xx
I disagree. Blair was in many ways a bigger mistake than Brown. Brown could have won in 1997 and would be winning still had we not had Blair/ Bush/ Iraq.
I too wish Brown had been leader instead of all those years of Blair - we'd have got rid of Labour a lot sooner and wouldn't be in so much fookin debt either! "
The reason we're in so much debt was the need for there to be money in the holes in the wall on the Monday morning the weekend the banks nearly went bust.
Remember the queues outside Northern Rock? Imagine that multiplied by all the clearing banks and most of the building society banks. |
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"Blair could have got an agreement for a coalition from the Labour Party Executive, whereas Brown would never have been able to push it through as it would have included him standing down as an unwanted leader......or lame duck
i actually agree with ya there hun
Brown was labours biggest mistake
And that's comin from a true blue as ya know lol xx
I disagree. Blair was in many ways a bigger mistake than Brown. Brown could have won in 1997 and would be winning still had we not had Blair/ Bush/ Iraq.
I too wish Brown had been leader instead of all those years of Blair - we'd have got rid of Labour a lot sooner and wouldn't be in so much fookin debt either!
The reason we're in so much debt was the need for there to be money in the holes in the wall on the Monday morning the weekend the banks nearly went bust.
Remember the queues outside Northern Rock? Imagine that multiplied by all the clearing banks and most of the building society banks."
Yeah! gonna be quite mad!
they were the best i know but went a bit mad towards the end they did,,i guess thats why britain turned on them. |
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A couple of points from above :
Blair lifted more children out of poverty? Not according to official statistics he didn't. Hardly surprisibg when the definition of poverty is directly tied to average earnings ( less than 60% is it?)
And subjecting the whole of the next generation to ridiculous levels of debt ain't gonna help.
Financial liquidity : re Northern Rock
A former solid Building Society turned risky bank on the back of empire building? Become a Bank, borrow wildly. Offer 125% mortgages to sub prime clients. Jesus christ what a recipe for success that was gonna be.
And which government allowed and regulated over all of this? Blair/Brown.
I liked an alternative suggestion for the title of Balir's book. "My, Myself, I" sums up the lot of them. Public servant my arse.
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A couple of points from above :
Blair lifted more children out of poverty? Not according to official statistics he didn't. Hardly surprisibg when the definition of poverty is directly tied to average earnings ( less than 60% is it?)
And subjecting the whole of the next generation to ridiculous levels of debt ain't gonna help.
Financial liquidity : re Northern Rock
A former solid Building Society turned risky bank on the back of empire building? Become a Bank, borrow wildly. Offer 125% mortgages to sub prime clients. Jesus christ what a recipe for success that was gonna be.
And which government allowed and regulated over all of this? Blair/Brown.
I liked an alternative suggestion for the title of Balir's book. "My, Myself, I" sums up the lot of them. Public servant my arse.
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STAND OVATION!! FOR MUSHY!! HURRAH!
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I too wish Brown had been leader instead of all those years of Blair - we'd have got rid of Labour a lot sooner and wouldn't be in so much fookin debt either! "
Mate hindsight is a wonderful thing lol xx |
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I too wish Brown had been leader instead of all those years of Blair - we'd have got rid of Labour a lot sooner and wouldn't be in so much fookin debt either!
Mate hindsight is a wonderful thing lol xx "
Sure is! sure is. |
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"im i the only one thinkin the title voyage would have been better if he had been on a ship and in sunk somewhere?? xx
He could have called it "Tony Crusoe-fied" "
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"im i the only one thinkin the title voyage would have been better if he had been on a ship and in sunk somewhere?? xx
He could have called it "Tony Crusoe-fied"
Was he on the titanic?? lol "
Thats a very sharp picture (avatar) young man xx |
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"im i the only one thinkin the title voyage would have been better if he had been on a ship and in sunk somewhere?? xx
He could have called it "Tony Crusoe-fied"
Was he on the titanic?? lol
Thats a very sharp picture (avatar) young man xx "
Are u Brian Clough now? lol |
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I've read the first 5 pages so far and right from the outset Blair comes across as a bit of an egomaniac who still thinks he was on a divine mission to save us. |
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"I've read the first 5 pages so far and right from the outset Blair comes across as a bit of an egomaniac who still thinks he was on a divine mission to save us. "
Yeah!!
im a labour supporter through n through i think hes a bit of a pratt still,,,who does he think he is hey?:
Superman?! lol
dont think so tony! lol
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