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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Personally I detest everything I have ever seen of his and his ilk. I think they are all just having a fucking great laugh to see which one of them can sell the biggest load of old junk for the highest price. To me most modern art is a travesty and an insult to the word Art! |
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I love his spot and spin paintings, but less so the rest. He's also a far better informed art critic than many would give him credit for. He discovered a 'formula' for contemporary art that people will pay a fortune for; money which he has invested in old masters rather than cars booze and women. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Who says it's "ART"?
I think most people would not.
Define 'art'.
Pretty pictures? "
I love his works. I find modern art far more interesting and exciting than just endless rehashes of other art styles. There is only so many times you can look at a Turner, Gainsborough or a Constable. You have to create new things, that means some people won't like them. Nobody appreciated Van Gogh. Lots of people consider Dali and Magritte to have produced "silly" works, they consider Picasso's works as childish daubs. Its in the eye of the beholder. And not everyone thinks the same way. But to dismiss it out of hand seems shallow. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Art is like the emperors new clothes
Some people would fawn over a pile of steaming shit because they think they should if it meant they appeared to be trendy  |
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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago
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I have a pile of bricks.
They are slightly weathered,and arranged in a hap- hazard,random way.
Which reflects the energy and emotion I felt as I tipped them from my well used wheel barrow.
Yours for £1.5million.
Transport and security extra. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He's the 'Salvador Dali' of the now.
Well, a Poundshop Dali at best, but thems the times we live in
!surreal.
A pound shop dali  lol love it "
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Great thread
Great people on it too...it's good to be passionate about art
I work in engineering
Engineering makes life easier
Art makes life liveable (c) me x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Art is like the emperors new clothes
Some people would fawn over a pile of steaming shit because they think they should if it meant they appeared to be trendy "
The worst example of that was Tracy Emin's tent scribbled with all the people she's shagged. It didn't seem well thought out. I couldn't believe how many people would actually agree to their names being on it. Would you admit sleeping with her??? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I like him. In an inter_iew, he said if a person tries to interpret his art too seriously, he'll say "it's just fucking dots" or hell do the opposite and give a possible meaning if they dismiss it.
It's possible his art doesn't mean anything at all to him, and it's just something he does. It makes it more interesting to me when people try and interpret it all in galleries, cos it's maybe meaningless and people are still trying to understand the incomprehensible. He's possibly the biggest time waster, just like Warhol. But in a good way. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Still divides opinions then (I'm a fan), so to those who think he's a chancer or got lucky or was in the right place at the right time (and there's nothing wrong with holding that opinion either) can I ask if after reading about his philanthropy does it change your opinion of him (if not his work)?
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/hirst-is-all-heart-as-childrens-charities-are-boosted-by-111m-sale-6865696.html?dxwIndex=1 |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You know the fella, cow cut in half, formaldehyde, diamond encrusted skulls, what do you think of him?"
Fascinating.
(Warning: history of art student with particular interests in post-80s British art.) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A total knob - just like the twat that did that 'unmade bed' - they appeal to the arty farty types who like to think they are superior to the rest of humanity - there - I`ll sit on the fence!
An absolute insult to the true artists of the renaissance, for example |
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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago
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His work provokes response (both good and bad) and all art does that. I happen to like his work but I don't pretend to know why; I am a musician who has never been able to express myself visually. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"A total knob - just like the twat that did that 'unmade bed' - they appeal to the arty farty types who like to think they are superior to the rest of humanity - there - I`ll sit on the fence!
An absolute insult to the true artists of the renaissance, for example"
But do you separate the man from the work? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A total knob - just like the twat that did that 'unmade bed' - they appeal to the arty farty types who like to think they are superior to the rest of humanity - there - I`ll sit on the fence!
An absolute insult to the true artists of the renaissance, for example"
It;s quite ironic that having dismissed people that like him as being arty-farty types trying to be superior, your second paragraph then seems to get all superior...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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quite funny how mainly the southerners support him - perhaps northerners can spot pretentious bullshit much easier !!
Is that controversial - I am sorry |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"quite funny how mainly the southerners support him - perhaps northerners can spot pretentious bullshit much easier !!
Is that controversial - I am sorry "
My northern, gypsy partner really likes Hirst, and lots of other contemporary art. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A total knob - just like the twat that did that 'unmade bed' - they appeal to the arty farty types who like to think they are superior to the rest of humanity - there - I`ll sit on the fence!
An absolute insult to the true artists of the renaissance, for example"
And what about Picasso, Magritte, Dali, Moore, Lowry? All pretentious shite?
Ever heard the phrase " I know what I like, and I like what I bloody well know"?
Art didn't reach its zenith with the renaissance, it just changed. If it never changes, it becomes dull. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Thing is, we Brits don't really do art very well.
The odd historic exception-Henry moore for one. But constable, bit dull- turner was not bad but next to Monet there's only one that takes the eye.
Then we come to the pop art of Hirst emin.
With them, there is nothing representational, just conceptual. Not particularly interesting.
There are some pieces of modern art that can get you going. But it's kind of a beggars banquet
If you want Beauty+ aesthetic orgasms, stick with titian, michaelangelo,Monet, gaugin, the Dutch,etc etc.
Hirst etc are just not in the same league.
In fact, all you need to know about the art world as represented by hirst's success is in the old Hancock film. He just got lucky + in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Thing is, we Brits don't really do art very well.
The odd historic exception-Henry moore for one. But constable, bit dull- turner was not bad but next to Monet there's only one that takes the eye.
Then we come to the pop art of Hirst emin.
With them, there is nothing representational, just conceptual. Not particularly interesting.
There are some pieces of modern art that can get you going. But it's kind of a beggars banquet
If you want Beauty+ aesthetic orgasms, stick with titian, michaelangelo,Monet, gaugin, the Dutch,etc etc.
Hirst etc are just not in the same league. People forget that Emin, Hirst etc are not the entire art world. There are thousands of artists out there, many of whom are better than the big names. But the final thing to remember, is that art doesn't have rules. Its greatness can't be measured. It speaks to each _iewer as an individual. How you interpret it, is up to you.
In fact, all you need to know about the art world as represented by hirst's success is in the old Hancock film. He just got lucky + in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king."
I agree with the Hancock analogy, to a degree, but its the fault of the critics, not the artists. Keep blowing smoke up someone's arse and they will continue to produce the same tat. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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To be truly creative in any field of the arts would suggest that you posses a flair and skill that is beyond the norm.
DH art is nothing more than industrial frivolity and the same could be said for most of the current art performers. You only have to attend a Turner prize gathering to see that some of the stuff on show is a load of Jackson Pollocks? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know the fella, cow cut in half, formaldehyde, diamond encrusted skulls, what do you think of him?"
Waste of half a cow
Would have been much better medium rare with a nice peppercorn sauce and mushrooms |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So far, all I've heard as alternatives to Hirst et al is the names of famous painters.
Is that all art means to anyone?"
And that art from Britain is shit. Despite our incredible art history. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So far, all I've heard as alternatives to Hirst et al is the names of famous painters.
Is that all art means to anyone?"
I make my own. As does my eldest son. I find it more satisfying to create my own than just look at other peoples work. Anyone can do it.
To all the people that claim " all this modern art is just rubbish", I ask, "what rules and standards should they be working to and aiming at?".
Why not try creating something yourself? You make it sound SO easy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So far, all I've heard as alternatives to Hirst et al is the names of famous painters.
Is that all art means to anyone?
And that art from Britain is shit. Despite our incredible art history. "
oh your an expert,,what bollocks you talk brittish art is vibrant and healthy and well respected the world over.
its like wine,some folk get stuck with lambrusco,and never develop a taste |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So far, all I've heard as alternatives to Hirst et al is the names of famous painters.
Is that all art means to anyone?
And that art from Britain is shit. Despite our incredible art history.
oh your an expert,,what bollocks you talk brittish art is vibrant and healthy and well respected the world over.
its like wine,some folk get stuck with lambrusco,and never develop a taste"
I was referencing someone else's post, a little. |
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Precisely! Art is basically whatever you want it to be...it's when other people start labeling it that the sniping and bickering starts.
I don't consider a lot of my photography to be art (I consider what I do to be purely functional and based around skills I've picked up over many years),yet others do...who am I to argue? |
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"So far, all I've heard as alternatives to Hirst et al is the names of famous painters.
Is that all art means to anyone?
And that art from Britain is shit. Despite our incredible art history.
oh your an expert,,what bollocks you talk brittish art is vibrant and healthy and well respected the world over.
its like wine,some folk get stuck with lambrusco,and never develop a taste"
I think you missed her point there  |
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"further more modern art pulls in millions into this country,only in this country are artists and art seen as unimportant"
That's because the moment anyone does something different, that's not a few daubs on a canvas, the tabloids take the piss and the public immediately follow suit like sheep!
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"further more modern art pulls in millions into this country,only in this country are artists and art seen as unimportant
That's because the moment anyone does something different, that's not a few daubs on a canvas, the tabloids take the piss and the public immediately follow suit like sheep!
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Don't I know it. as I say lambrusco |
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"further more modern art pulls in millions into this country,only in this country are artists and art seen as unimportant
That's because the moment anyone does something different, that's not a few daubs on a canvas, the tabloids take the piss and the public immediately follow suit like sheep!
Don't I know it. as I say lambrusco "
Not me...taking a break from the diet and getting twatted on some very good bottles of red we have left over from Xmas tonight!
Whilst looking at my collection of modern art...well, art nude paintings but they're very lovely! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Freddie W.R. Linsky sold a piece of art to a collector who thought it was wonderful. An art gallery in Berlin has invited Freddie to participate in an exclusive art exhibit.
What they don't know yet, is that Freddy is a two year old child who just likes to play with paint.
This year, Estelle Lovatt started posting Freddie's "art" on Charles Saatchi's online gallery. She said her son was an art critic who was a "regular" in the art scene. The pictures (some painted with splattered ketchup) were posted with over-the-top captions.
For example, Freddie painted a bunch of red and green splotches. His mother posted on the web with the title "Sunshine" and these words:
"A bold use of colour. Inspired by the 'plein air' habit of painting by Monet, drawing on the natural world that surrounds us all."
Another painting entitled "The Best Loved Elephant" had this caption:
"The striking use of oriental calligraphy has the kanji-like characters stampeding from the page, showing the new ascent of the East. It is one of Linsky's most experimental works."
Lovett, an art lecturer herself, never dreamed that people would really be duped. "He sits on his high chair with a piece of paper and gets very excited at the mess he gets to make" she said.
The art gallery in Berlin and the art collector that purchased "Elephant" won't be quite so enthusiastic when they find out.
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Now I don't feel so stupid. Modern art often looks like spattering of a 2 year old to me.
Read more: http://www.mypointless.com/2007/12/art-gallery-fooled-by-two-year-old.html#ixzz3PY2ubXX9 |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So far, all I've heard as alternatives to Hirst et al is the names of famous painters.
Is that all art means to anyone?
And that art from Britain is shit. Despite our incredible art history. "
I don't think most of the arguments are even than substantive. Most of the critical posts offer little more depth than it's shit and then lazy insults at DH and/or people that do like it. It's pretty pathetic really.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So far, all I've heard as alternatives to Hirst et al is the names of famous painters.
Is that all art means to anyone?
And that art from Britain is shit. Despite our incredible art history.
I don't think most of the arguments are even than substantive. Most of the critical posts offer little more depth than it's shit and then lazy insults at DH and/or people that do like it. It's pretty pathetic really.
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I think it's fair enough to not like Hirst, he's controversial anyway. However to say only Dutch artists who use oil on canvas are true artists is really dumb and ignorant.
For example, look at Henry Moore and William Turnbull. |
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"So far, all I've heard as alternatives to Hirst et al is the names of famous painters.
Is that all art means to anyone?
And that art from Britain is shit. Despite our incredible art history.
I don't think most of the arguments are even than substantive. Most of the critical posts offer little more depth than it's shit and then lazy insults at DH and/or people that do like it. It's pretty pathetic really.
I think it's fair enough to not like Hirst, he's controversial anyway. However to say only Dutch artists who use oil on canvas are true artists is really dumb and ignorant.
For example, look at Henry Moore and William Turnbull. "
They'd love Robert Mapplethorpe and Jeff Koons! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So far, all I've heard as alternatives to Hirst et al is the names of famous painters.
Is that all art means to anyone?
And that art from Britain is shit. Despite our incredible art history.
I don't think most of the arguments are even than substantive. Most of the critical posts offer little more depth than it's shit and then lazy insults at DH and/or people that do like it. It's pretty pathetic really.
I think it's fair enough to not like Hirst, he's controversial anyway. However to say only Dutch artists who use oil on canvas are true artists is really dumb and ignorant.
For example, look at Henry Moore and William Turnbull.
They'd love Robert Mapplethorpe and Jeff Koons!"
My phone background is a Mapplethorpe photo right now a flower one, not a rude one. |
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And too many people have the wrong idea about what "modern art" actually is.
Modern just means it has been made fairly recently, it has nothing to do with style and content. How many of the detractors have been round their local museum/gallery in the last twelve months and seen for themselves what is hanging on the walls? I think, if you made the effort, you would be pleasantly surprised. Some of the best stuff (in my opinion), is by local artists, amateurs, and art college students. It isn't just about the big names, they are a very small fraction of the whole. If Saatchi is willing to pay £10million for a pile of bricks, then i'm all for it. That artist may well be laughing up his sleeve, but at least he's not struggling anymore. |
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"And too many people have the wrong idea about what "modern art" actually is.
Modern just means it has been made fairly recently, it has nothing to do with style and content. How many of the detractors have been round their local museum/gallery in the last twelve months and seen for themselves what is hanging on the walls? I think, if you made the effort, you would be pleasantly surprised. Some of the best stuff (in my opinion), is by local artists, amateurs, and art college students. It isn't just about the big names, they are a very small fraction of the whole. If Saatchi is willing to pay £10million for a pile of bricks, then i'm all for it. That artist may well be laughing up his sleeve, but at least he's not struggling anymore."
A lot of it's about perception of it's worth.
My friend regularly sells his paintings for £2k in this country but in the US they go for more like $20k but he makes little more from them than he does on UK sales once gallery and agents fees are paid. However, the perception over there is that his art is worth tens of thousands of dollars, therefore future works could sell for much more money! |
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But perception of worth tends to be muddied by people who have no interest in art in and of itself, merely an interest in how much it will make them. They are the ones blowing smoke up peoples arses. |
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"But perception of worth tends to be muddied by people who have no interest in art in and of itself, merely an interest in how much it will make them. They are the ones blowing smoke up peoples arses."
As it has always been
To be fair, Saatchi has always supported the arts, regardless of how much it's cost him/made him! |
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"Take Caravaggio for example, adulterer, debtor, d*unk, but his work stands up."
Yes especially that Violin he painted on that door was that At chatsworth it looks as thou its hanging on the door, yes as someone said Earlier it all comes down to taste of What you like, for me personally I like Pictures quite happy to marvel at a Nice Little watercolour or perhaps even an Oil, I like something about the character and period of a picture they often hold Something for me and I do appreciate How much work goes into them. |
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