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"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633" What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there. | |||
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"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there." . Don't be ridiculous, the 175 families in the US who own as much wealth as 90% of America inherited their wealth, therefore they've done no work whatsoever... Yes even less than a benefit bum, they at least have to walk to the shop to buy their own booze! | |||
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"So what do you suggest , stripping them of their wealth ?" .No nothing that radical. Inheritance tax at 95% would help though!. You can't cure the current problems using current thinking, that just got us where we are today! | |||
"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there." You have a point....only up to a point. For example, do you really think the Chairman of InBev, the brewing giant, sufficiently worked his butt off to earn a $200m dollar bonus? You'd be better off blaming the politico's who are up to their necks in supporting such conglomerate excesses. | |||
"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there.. Don't be ridiculous, the 175 families in the US who own as much wealth as 90% of America inherited their wealth, therefore they've done no work whatsoever... Yes even less than a benefit bum, they at least have to walk to the shop to buy their own booze!" So what? If you made loads of money and left it your children, I'm assuming you'd be delighted at having worked really hard your whole life to leave a legacy for your family only to have it wiped out by tax? Ignore the 1%, they have no bearing on our lives, they're just an easy target. | |||
"So what do you suggest , stripping them of their wealth ?.No nothing that radical. Inheritance tax at 95% would help though!. You can't cure the current problems using current thinking, that just got us where we are today!" 95% over a particular figure or on the whole amount. My nan had 75p left when we cleared out her room at the nursing home. Should I have declared that ? | |||
"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there. You have a point....only up to a point. For example, do you really think the Chairman of InBev, the brewing giant, sufficiently worked his butt off to earn a $200m dollar bonus? You'd be better off blaming the politico's who are up to their necks in supporting such conglomerate excesses. " I have a point because I ALWAYS have a point!..ain't ya heard?.. Incidentally, this will do absolutely nothing to income inequality. The 1% will still have over 90% of the money, because the 99% will still be fucking stupid and make bad decisions. Their money will flow to the 1% because only those who produce what others value end up making a profit. | |||
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"Jealousy sucks. Good luck to them, I hope they enjoy their wealth... I know I would! " | |||
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"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there." Most wouldn't know what a days work is, . . Nearest they've got to getting their hands dirty is when their fingers go through the loo paper. | |||
"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there. Most wouldn't know what a days work is, . . Nearest they've got to getting their hands dirty is when their fingers go through the loo paper. " That's kind of unfair... Most will NEVER be in the 1% but that does not make it right that those who are in the 1% be crucified for actually being in the 1% just because the 99% make less "smart" financial decisions than those in the 1%. There are plenty of hardworking people so a widebrush broad sweeping statement like that is kind of unfair.. | |||
"So what do you suggest , stripping them of their wealth ?.No nothing that radical. Inheritance tax at 95% would help though!." Get a grip | |||
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"So what do you suggest , stripping them of their wealth ?.No nothing that radical. Inheritance tax at 95% would help though!. You can't cure the current problems using current thinking, that just got us where we are today! 95% over a particular figure or on the whole amount. My nan had 75p left when we cleared out her room at the nursing home. Should I have declared that ? " no every amount on every person!. Think of it as a global reset every generation, the brightest will still rise to the top. Bill gates wasnt born with money Steve jobs, Steve wazinsky,jd Rockefeller, Richard branson, dyson, warren buffet, ingvar kamprad?, mark zuccerberger?. Having money doesn't create having no money and wanting money creates!. Failing that idea we could start valuing money on a resource base, that would stop alot of the money making money stock exchange problems we get now. The system we've got is failing at every level, environmental, progress, personal, wastefulness, over consumption, political and financial, just because it's all three generations have ever known doesn't mean it's infallible. The very fact that 0.1% own as much as 30% or that 99% of money is in the hands of 1% of the population shows it's failing, or at least 75% of the people who work just as hard as the 1% | |||
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"If only those starving children worked their arses off a bit more eh?. Bill Gates seems happy to put his cash to good use, Warren Buffett isn't shy about dipping into his pocket either, meanwhile the 13th duke of Wynbourne (who did get off his arse and made sure he was the fastest sperm when the 12th duke spaffed up duchess Wynbourne) he's just bought himself another yacht." He wasn't the fastest sperm, other sperm got their before him and did all the hard work of breaking the egg open for him to just sneak in and take what was 'rightfully' his. | |||
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" The 1% will still have over 90% of the money, because the 99% will still be fucking stupid and make bad decisions. " bit wrong to say that the 99% are stupid, wealth and poverty both give access and deny access to good education and therefore prospects to improve the lot of the poor.. better that we have people who can aspire to be a part of society and maybe one day in the 1%.. not talking about a communist style wealth distribution but if the rich by some means give a fraction of what they have sat doing not a lot then that may benefit those who have the intelligence but lack the means to help themselves and their own communities.. | |||
"So what do you suggest , stripping them of their wealth ?.No nothing that radical. Inheritance tax at 95% would help though!. You can't cure the current problems using current thinking, that just got us where we are today! 95% over a particular figure or on the whole amount. My nan had 75p left when we cleared out her room at the nursing home. Should I have declared that ? no every amount on every person!. Think of it as a global reset every generation, the brightest will still rise to the top. Bill gates wasnt born with money Steve jobs, Steve wazinsky,jd Rockefeller, Richard branson, dyson, warren buffet, ingvar kamprad?, mark zuccerberger?. Having money doesn't create having no money and wanting money creates!. Failing that idea we could start valuing money on a resource base, that would stop alot of the money making money stock exchange problems we get now. The system we've got is failing at every level, environmental, progress, personal, wastefulness, over consumption, political and financial, just because it's all three generations have ever known doesn't mean it's infallible. The very fact that 0.1% own as much as 30% or that 99% of money is in the hands of 1% of the population shows it's failing, or at least 75% of the people who work just as hard as the 1%" But what would the government waste all this inheritance tax on? I have no resentment of the wealthy. They spend it and that trickles down. The government would just spunk it. | |||
"So what do you suggest , stripping them of their wealth ?.No nothing that radical. Inheritance tax at 95% would help though!. You can't cure the current problems using current thinking, that just got us where we are today! 95% over a particular figure or on the whole amount. My nan had 75p left when we cleared out her room at the nursing home. Should I have declared that ? no every amount on every person!. Think of it as a global reset every generation, the brightest will still rise to the top. Bill gates wasnt born with money Steve jobs, Steve wazinsky,jd Rockefeller, Richard branson, dyson, warren buffet, ingvar kamprad?, mark zuccerberger?. Having money doesn't create having no money and wanting money creates!. Failing that idea we could start valuing money on a resource base, that would stop alot of the money making money stock exchange problems we get now. The system we've got is failing at every level, environmental, progress, personal, wastefulness, over consumption, political and financial, just because it's all three generations have ever known doesn't mean it's infallible. The very fact that 0.1% own as much as 30% or that 99% of money is in the hands of 1% of the population shows it's failing, or at least 75% of the people who work just as hard as the 1% But what would the government waste all this inheritance tax on? I have no resentment of the wealthy. They spend it and that trickles down. The government would just spunk it. " . Lots of things, we could just set into a sperate fund to pay health care | |||
" The system we've got is failing at every level, environmental, progress, personal, wastefulness, over consumption, political and financial, just because it's all three generations have ever known doesn't mean it's infallible. " this.. when a system is failing people will do what they have to and some of that will be stuff that effects us all, well not the 1% just 'us' normal folks.. | |||
"So what do you suggest , stripping them of their wealth ?.No nothing that radical. Inheritance tax at 95% would help though!. You can't cure the current problems using current thinking, that just got us where we are today! 95% over a particular figure or on the whole amount. My nan had 75p left when we cleared out her room at the nursing home. Should I have declared that ? no every amount on every person!. Think of it as a global reset every generation, the brightest will still rise to the top. Bill gates wasnt born with money Steve jobs, Steve wazinsky,jd Rockefeller, Richard branson, dyson, warren buffet, ingvar kamprad?, mark zuccerberger?. Having money doesn't create having no money and wanting money creates!. Failing that idea we could start valuing money on a resource base, that would stop alot of the money making money stock exchange problems we get now. The system we've got is failing at every level, environmental, progress, personal, wastefulness, over consumption, political and financial, just because it's all three generations have ever known doesn't mean it's infallible. The very fact that 0.1% own as much as 30% or that 99% of money is in the hands of 1% of the population shows it's failing, or at least 75% of the people who work just as hard as the 1% But what would the government waste all this inheritance tax on? I have no resentment of the wealthy. They spend it and that trickles down. The government would just spunk it. . Lots of things, we could just set into a sperate fund to pay health care" Thats a bottomless pit they will never be filled up. | |||
"I don't resent wealthy people where either their family or hardwork got them to that point. I resent wealthy tyrants and megalomaniac type who took what they have by stepping on the little guy. Well done to people richer than us. Unless your a knobhead. " i resent people on benefits getting looked after when the hard workers struggle Every day then get cleaned out in taxes | |||
" But what would the government waste all this inheritance tax on? I have no resentment of the wealthy. They spend it and that trickles down. The government would just spunk it. " But that's just it, further down in the article it explains how the 1%ers don't spend it (expressed as a ratio of wealth to population) | |||
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"It would be an interesting social experiment to strip the wealthy of their money and the benefit claiments of benefits to see who survived the best." i think that some of the folks who are really struggling would possibly fare better, not all mind.. | |||
"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there. Most wouldn't know what a days work is, . . Nearest they've got to getting their hands dirty is when their fingers go through the loo paper. " Sitting here reading this shit while pulling bits of plaster out of my hair. OK I need a shower. Some people would say that we are wealthy, maybe not top 1% but we do OK. How did we do it? Mummy and Daddy leave us a few quid? Nope, not yet anyway. Lottery win? forget it. Sit moaning that others have got more than us? Not likely. OoooH life is so unfair (in appropriate whiny voice) No we both worked 60/70 and sometimes more hours a week, OK we have cut back a bit now but still get stuck in when we have to. Do I give a flying fuck that someone who turns up at the office for 37 hours a week (less sickies of course) has got a bit less than us? Not on your life. So now we can ease back a bit (not a lot) and all the socialist SCUM want to do is tax (steal) the fruits of our hard work and give it to the work shy. Oh, and before anyone gives the "there are no jobs" bullshit, a quarter of a million immigrants every year seem to be able to find work quite easily. So don't give me any crap from Oxfam (chief executive on how much per year?) telling me I should give anything up for the poor unfortunates who prefer, yes prefer, to sit on their arses. And yes occasionally my fingers have gone through the loo paper, usually when I don't have time for a shit because of hard work. Oh how I fucking hate socialists. No tin hat on here because I'm immune to leftie crap coz I've heard it all before. | |||
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"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there. Most wouldn't know what a days work is, . . Nearest they've got to getting their hands dirty is when their fingers go through the loo paper. " Quadruple ply gold leaf bog roll?  | |||
"It would be an interesting social experiment to strip the wealthy of their money and the benefit claiments of benefits to see who survived the best." It sort of happened with the crash in 2008. People losing their homes, having no recourse to their credit cards and having to adjust their lifestyles appear to have fared worse in the short term, particularly around mental health. I can't remember the article title but it was in the Sunday Times either 2011 or 2012. | |||
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"Only a small percentage actually deserve What they get in benefits " Since most benefits go to pensioners and those in work how do you define the terms "small percentage" and "deserve"? | |||
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"That 1% give the most to charity according to figures over the last few years. Classic example is Bill gates, well known anyway. Wealth should be aimed for, an inspiration or aim for those seeking financial gain. Jealously commenting achieves nothing, as does ridiculous tax. And I always think people who want more money, are rarely the most entrepreneurial. I mean, not enough people do enough or ask themselves - "how do I achieve what I want financially? What am I prepared to do?"" . There's a difference between taxing ones income and taxing ones inheritance. If you visit Cuba you would see how poor people can be just as entrepreneurial as wealthy people. | |||
"That 1% give the most to charity according to figures over the last few years. Classic example is Bill gates, well known anyway. Wealth should be aimed for, an inspiration or aim for those seeking financial gain. Jealously commenting achieves nothing, as does ridiculous tax. And I always think people who want more money, are rarely the most entrepreneurial. I mean, not enough people do enough or ask themselves - "how do I achieve what I want financially? What am I prepared to do?"" . Also without personally dissing bill gates, for all his charity, he's still the richest person in the world and he stopped working years ago. The system perpetuates his wealth the more he gives away the more he gets back, so it's a pointless cycle. | |||
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"many of the mega rich work dammed long hours as well as having money and property passed to them by there parents and grandparents and even great grandparents who all worked there butts off to grow there fortunes and good luck to them Many people on here also work hard and deserve to be proud of themselves but its not always about working hard its more about working clever " i agree | |||
I ask whose hard work ?
Bet your bottom dollar it was not theirs | |||
"That 1% give the most to charity according to figures over the last few years. Classic example is Bill gates, well known anyway. Wealth should be aimed for, an inspiration or aim for those seeking financial gain. Jealously commenting achieves nothing, as does ridiculous tax. And I always think people who want more money, are rarely the most entrepreneurial. I mean, not enough people do enough or ask themselves - "how do I achieve what I want financially? What am I prepared to do?". There's a difference between taxing ones income and taxing ones inheritance. If you visit Cuba you would see how poor people can be just as entrepreneurial as wealthy people." I bet those Cuban entrepreneurs wished they lived in a capitalist country  | |||
"Only a small percentage actually deserve What they get in benefits Since most benefits go to pensioners and those in work how do you define the terms "small percentage" and "deserve"? " i basically mean that too many people abuse the System ans should get a Job or at least Do something for society. Pensioners that have worked , deserve their Pension . Its the lazy Job shy people that Could work i cant tolerate | |||
"When someone tells me they got their money through hard work
I ask whose hard work ?
Bet your bottom dollar it was not theirs "i agree with What youre saying but credit to the people that put their Necks on the line taking financial risks to Keep people like myself in work . They deserve the rewards if it Works out. They Could so easily fail owing thousands/ millions | |||
"Do you all vote? I do and the sooner People pull together for the many then only the rich will suffer we go to jail for dodging tax they refuse to pay and it just rolls on The people have to stand for a fair and just society its what we pay tax for!!" I don't think voting is a complete waste of time, only if the party you're voting for doesn't lie or do u-turns, but no i don't vote for a party usually. Voted last election to keep the conservatives out rather than i wanted to vote someone in. It was the first time i've ever voted and what a shit reason to do so. I do participate in other things though, such as campaigning, doing unpaid care work because this stuff is undervalued but important, shopping at local business, buying 2nd hand, and going without if we don't need something. I like to contribute as little as possible to the fucked up system that has been created, but i'm aware i do contribute to it and don't know how not to. Not paid my council tax last year in protest again something, don't even give a fuck if they take me to court because i'm going to ask for them to consider changing the law they will be taking me to court for. They're so understaffed it will take them forever anyway. | |||
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"That 1% give the most to charity according to figures over the last few years. Classic example is Bill gates, well known anyway. Wealth should be aimed for, an inspiration or aim for those seeking financial gain. Jealously commenting achieves nothing, as does ridiculous tax. And I always think people who want more money, are rarely the most entrepreneurial. I mean, not enough people do enough or ask themselves - "how do I achieve what I want financially? What am I prepared to do?". There's a difference between taxing ones income and taxing ones inheritance. If you visit Cuba you would see how poor people can be just as entrepreneurial as wealthy people. I bet those Cuban entrepreneurs wished they lived in a capitalist country "lots do but lots don't as well. To deny that humans are born with traits like greed, sloth, envy and jealousy would be stupid, of course some would wish to be wealthy, but laying foundations on sustainability is not about your basic instincts, anyone can offer policies that pander to the basics and there even easier to accept, there just not necessarily the best in the long term. | |||
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"'That 1% give the most to charity according to figures over the last few years. Classic example is Bill gates, well known anyway.' As a percentage of income, the top 1% are the greediest when it comes to charity donations. Bill Gates is not a good example. He is being so philanthropic because he understands that the market doesn't work, that the rich have gathered more than their fair share and the world has seen more inequality, not less. " Agreed. Look at the Waltons, (they own walmart and asda). They have their own charity and haven't even donated fuck all to that. Laughed when someone dumped one the walmart workers charity bins outside of their place of residence. Although it's not really funny when wealthy people take the piss. | |||
"So what do you suggest , stripping them of their wealth ?.No nothing that radical. Inheritance tax at 95% would help though!. You can't cure the current problems using current thinking, that just got us where we are today!" . How would having an ingeritance tax rate of 95 % help. ? Most people will accept that some inheritance tax should be paid , but if you have worked hard all your life , why should your estate be wiped by inheritance tax?. Such a rate would only encourage people to transfer assets abroad . | |||
"When someone tells me they got their money through hard work
I ask whose hard work ?
Bet your bottom dollar it was not theirs "Yes it bloody well was/is. Yes we have staff who work their hours then go home, while we, one way or another, are still working. What do you think we do? Go home and take a bath in Champagne laughing at the workers? No, we sit up for long hours doing paperwork to keep tax men in cosseted jobs and the work shy and idle in the lazy lifestyles to which they have become accustomed. And without our business the staff would be out of work, yes, like it or not we CREATE jobs. Of course we could sit sniping at the sidelines being a couple of total arses bemoaning the fact that because someone works a bit harder than us they have got a few quid more, or making sarky "exploiting the workers" remarks, but we prefer to rise above the politics of envy. Socialism? Communism? Tell it to the Cubans, North Koreans, East Germans, or Soviet Russians. | |||
"'That 1% give the most to charity according to figures over the last few years. Classic example is Bill gates, well known anyway.' As a percentage of income, the top 1% are the greediest when it comes to charity donations. Bill Gates is not a good example. He is being so philanthropic because he understands that the market doesn't work, that the rich have gathered more than their fair share and the world has seen more inequality, not less. Agreed. Look at the Waltons, (they own walmart and asda). They have their own charity and haven't even donated fuck all to that. " JohnBoy and Pa did well for themselves | |||
"So what do you suggest , stripping them of their wealth ?.No nothing that radical. Inheritance tax at 95% would help though!. You can't cure the current problems using current thinking, that just got us where we are today!. How would having an ingeritance tax rate of 95 % help. ? Most people will accept that some inheritance tax should be paid , but if you have worked hard all your life , why should your estate be wiped by inheritance tax?. Such a rate would only encourage people to transfer assets abroad . " . Because you could have a set tax band for everyone regardless of earnings because every generation would be near enough reset financially. Stored wealth (like apple do currently) is one of the biggest problems in today's economy. | |||
"When someone tells me they got their money through hard work
I ask whose hard work ?
Bet your bottom dollar it was not theirs
Yes it bloody well was/is.
Yes we have staff who work their hours then go home, while we, one way or another, are still working.
What do you think we do? Go home and take a bath in Champagne laughing at the workers? No, we sit up for long hours doing paperwork to keep tax men in cosseted jobs and the work shy and idle in the lazy lifestyles to which they have become accustomed.
And without our business the staff would be out of work, yes, like it or not we CREATE jobs.
Of course we could sit sniping at the sidelines being a couple of total arses bemoaning the fact that because someone works a bit harder than us they have got a few quid more, or making sarky "exploiting the workers" remarks, but we prefer to rise above the politics of envy.
Socialism? Communism? Tell it to the Cubans, North Koreans, East Germans, or Soviet Russians.". Without being pedantic, your amount of wealth is not the problem, your in the 99% | |||
"When someone tells me they got their money through hard work
I ask whose hard work ?
Bet your bottom dollar it was not theirs ". Will usually be a combination of hard work , luck and good businness acumen. They have only made the money because they took some risks in the first place and could just as easily lose the lot by making the wrong decisions. Even inherited money requires carefully management or you could also lose it as well. | |||
"When someone tells me they got their money through hard work
I ask whose hard work ?
Bet your bottom dollar it was not theirs
Yes it bloody well was/is.
Yes we have staff who work their hours then go home, while we, one way or another, are still working.
What do you think we do? Go home and take a bath in Champagne laughing at the workers? No, we sit up for long hours doing paperwork to keep tax men in cosseted jobs and the work shy and idle in the lazy lifestyles to which they have become accustomed.
And without our business the staff would be out of work, yes, like it or not we CREATE jobs.
Of course we could sit sniping at the sidelines being a couple of total arses bemoaning the fact that because someone works a bit harder than us they have got a few quid more, or making sarky "exploiting the workers" remarks, but we prefer to rise above the politics of envy.
Socialism? Communism? Tell it to the Cubans, North Koreans, East Germans, or Soviet Russians..
Without being pedantic, your amount of wealth is not the problem, your in the 99%". Also you business needs staff like staff need business. It's two way not one way! | |||
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"So what do you suggest , stripping them of their wealth ?.No nothing that radical. Inheritance tax at 95% would help though!. You can't cure the current problems using current thinking, that just got us where we are today!. How would having an ingeritance tax rate of 95 % help. ? Most people will accept that some inheritance tax should be paid , but if you have worked hard all your life , why should your estate be wiped by inheritance tax?. Such a rate would only encourage people to transfer assets abroad . . Because you could have a set tax band for everyone regardless of earnings because every generation would be near enough reset financially. Stored wealth (like apple do currently) is one of the biggest problems in today's economy." . In common with many people I would like to think that I am entitled to leave my money to my family . Having a 95 % tax rate would mean that I as well spend it all before I die. | |||
"Only a small percentage actually deserve What they get in benefits Since most benefits go to pensioners and those in work how do you define the terms "small percentage" and "deserve"? i basically mean that too many people abuse the System ans should get a Job or at least Do something for society. Pensioners that have worked , deserve their Pension . Its the lazy Job shy people that Could work i cant tolerate " The abuse is actually quite small and lots of pensioners (women, for instance) may never have worked outside of the home. | |||
"So what do you suggest , stripping them of their wealth ?.No nothing that radical. Inheritance tax at 95% would help though!. You can't cure the current problems using current thinking, that just got us where we are today!. How would having an ingeritance tax rate of 95 % help. ? Most people will accept that some inheritance tax should be paid , but if you have worked hard all your life , why should your estate be wiped by inheritance tax?. Such a rate would only encourage people to transfer assets abroad . . Because you could have a set tax band for everyone regardless of earnings because every generation would be near enough reset financially. Stored wealth (like apple do currently) is one of the biggest problems in today's economy.. In common with many people I would like to think that I am entitled to leave my money to my family . Having a 95 % tax rate would mean that I as well spend it all before I die." .Yes you spend it all... That's great news. And you'd probably educate your children well so there'd be productive and affluent from their own hard work! | |||
"'That 1% give the most to charity according to figures over the last few years. Classic example is Bill gates, well known anyway.' As a percentage of income, the top 1% are the greediest when it comes to charity donations. Bill Gates is not a good example. He is being so philanthropic because he understands that the market doesn't work, that the rich have gathered more than their fair share and the world has seen more inequality, not less. Agreed. Look at the Waltons, (they own walmart and asda). They have their own charity and haven't even donated fuck all to that. Laughed when someone dumped one the walmart workers charity bins outside of their place of residence. Although it's not really funny when wealthy people take the piss." Don't forget their dead peasant policies. | |||
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"People tend to look through the rose tinted Marxist principle that one at the top is reaping the rewards of the labour below. This just isn't the way the world is now, fact is the system is still bloody hard to get to the top of though. One thing I always think though is why get upset if truthfully it isn't affecting you in a noticeable way, if I suddenly won the lottery tomorrow would you hate me or anyone else does? Some would, at least until they win the lottery themselves. I've worked for people and been self employed and nothing grates a person in these sorts of discussions more then the one size fits all stereotype of people being good and evil and deserving a lynch. End of the day the system is the way it is because no one had thought of or argued a better solution." . Your absolutely right people take it to personally although I've tried to argue that if improve the system to be more sustainable and not necessarily more equitable, although I happen to think that one would bring the other. | |||
"So what do you suggest , stripping them of their wealth ?.No nothing that radical. Inheritance tax at 95% would help though!. You can't cure the current problems using current thinking, that just got us where we are today!. How would having an ingeritance tax rate of 95 % help. ? Most people will accept that some inheritance tax should be paid , but if you have worked hard all your life , why should your estate be wiped by inheritance tax?. Such a rate would only encourage people to transfer assets abroad . . Because you could have a set tax band for everyone regardless of earnings because every generation would be near enough reset financially. Stored wealth (like apple do currently) is one of the biggest problems in today's economy.. In common with many people I would like to think that I am entitled to leave my money to my family . Having a 95 % tax rate would mean that I as well spend it all before I die..Yes you spend it all... That's great news. And you'd probably educate your children well so there'd be productive and affluent from their own hard work!" . Lots of people with inherited wealth are extremely hard working anyway , so can see no reason as to why they should be penalised with a 95% IHT rate. | |||
"So what do you suggest , stripping them of their wealth ?.No nothing that radical. Inheritance tax at 95% would help though!. You can't cure the current problems using current thinking, that just got us where we are today!. How would having an ingeritance tax rate of 95 % help. ? Most people will accept that some inheritance tax should be paid , but if you have worked hard all your life , why should your estate be wiped by inheritance tax?. Such a rate would only encourage people to transfer assets abroad . . Because you could have a set tax band for everyone regardless of earnings because every generation would be near enough reset financially. Stored wealth (like apple do currently) is one of the biggest problems in today's economy.. In common with many people I would like to think that I am entitled to leave my money to my family . Having a 95 % tax rate would mean that I as well spend it all before I die." Inheritance tax is a disgusting tax at any level. We are genetically programmed to feather the nest for the next generation. Nothing us more satisfying got man to prepare the ground for the generation that follows. To deny this is to deny the principles of nature. The great irony here is that probably much of the home owning South East of England probably fall into the 1% quite simply because 1% of the worlds population is still a lot of people. As for those crying hardest at the unfairness of it all, remember that everyone in this country I'll have wealth greater than probably 98% of the worlds population. Due to an accident (or fortune) of birth we all don't regard clean drinking water or surviving childhood as the ultimate luxury. | |||
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" Inheritance tax is a disgusting tax at any level. " Do you think it is wrong to tax the estate when the wealth that was accumulated was what remained after all taxes were paid during the lifetime. Effectively you think the bequeather is being taxed twice? | |||
"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there." No they didn't. No more than anyone else. Get on bbc iplayer and take a look at The Super Rich and You. | |||
" Inheritance tax is a disgusting tax at any level. Do you think it is wrong to tax the estate when the wealth that was accumulated was what remained after all taxes were paid during the lifetime. Effectively you think the bequeather is being taxed twice? " So you get paid and either you don't see your taxed money cos it is taken at source or you pay it by self assessment. Not forgetting NI. If you are unfortunate enough to earn well, you get taxed at an even higher rate. Then when you spend you get on the luxuries that you can afford and you pay extra tax on alcohol, fuel and holidays. If you are fortunate to have anything left and you invest it in a bank or other regulated investment scheme, the benefit that you make is taxed again. If at the end of this you still have enough to put into a speculative investment and it earns a bit of money, you get taxed again on how much it grows. Eventually you die and anything you have left after being taxe to death through life gets taken by the tax man in inheritance tax? | |||
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"China there away the principles of communism years ago. My three biggest (and wealthiest) clients are Chinese and all are self made capitalists who are thriving on what others might call exploitation. Very cheap labour Poor working conditions Low pay Cheap energy Low taxes All three were determined enough to fight their way up and it is that kind of steely determination that is needed in this country, not continuos bleating about how unfair life is because some people got off their arses and made something for themselves." China threw away .... | |||
" Inheritance tax is a disgusting tax at any level. Do you think it is wrong to tax the estate when the wealth that was accumulated was what remained after all taxes were paid during the lifetime. Effectively you think the bequeather is being taxed twice? So you get paid and either you don't see your taxed money cos it is taken at source or you pay it by self assessment. Not forgetting NI. If you are unfortunate enough to earn well, you get taxed at an even higher rate. Then when you spend you get on the luxuries that you can afford and you pay extra tax on alcohol, fuel and holidays. If you are fortunate to have anything left and you invest it in a bank or other regulated investment scheme, the benefit that you make is taxed again. If at the end of this you still have enough to put into a speculative investment and it earns a bit of money, you get taxed again on how much it grows. Eventually you die and anything you have left after being taxe to death through life gets taken by the tax man in inheritance tax?" Unless you give it all away and don't die for the next 7 years | |||
" Inheritance tax is a disgusting tax at any level. Do you think it is wrong to tax the estate when the wealth that was accumulated was what remained after all taxes were paid during the lifetime. Effectively you think the bequeather is being taxed twice? So you get paid and either you don't see your taxed money cos it is taken at source or you pay it by self assessment. Not forgetting NI. If you are unfortunate enough to earn well, you get taxed at an even higher rate. Then when you spend you get on the luxuries that you can afford and you pay extra tax on alcohol, fuel and holidays. If you are fortunate to have anything left and you invest it in a bank or other regulated investment scheme, the benefit that you make is taxed again. If at the end of this you still have enough to put into a speculative investment and it earns a bit of money, you get taxed again on how much it grows. Eventually you die and anything you have left after being taxe to death through life gets taken by the tax man in inheritance tax?" . If its income it's taxed as income?. What do you suggest that we treat interest on money as non income!. If you die your in effect giving your money away to someone else hence the tax just as if you were giving it to someone else while you were alive, that person who is getting your money is paying the tax not the person who's dead. Most very wealthy people avoid inheritance tax altogether by having their assets tied up in trusts. In fact they avoid nearly all those taxs your moaning about. I'm not really arsed who makes what, but what I do care about is the current system is an ecological nightmare. | |||
" Inheritance tax is a disgusting tax at any level. Do you think it is wrong to tax the estate when the wealth that was accumulated was what remained after all taxes were paid during the lifetime. Effectively you think the bequeather is being taxed twice? So you get paid and either you don't see your taxed money cos it is taken at source or you pay it by self assessment. Not forgetting NI. If you are unfortunate enough to earn well, you get taxed at an even higher rate. Then when you spend you get on the luxuries that you can afford and you pay extra tax on alcohol, fuel and holidays. If you are fortunate to have anything left and you invest it in a bank or other regulated investment scheme, the benefit that you make is taxed again. If at the end of this you still have enough to put into a speculative investment and it earns a bit of money, you get taxed again on how much it grows. Eventually you die and anything you have left after being taxe to death through life gets taken by the tax man in inheritance tax?" Did you just say 'unfortunate' enough to earn well? I gather that the bleating about all the taxes that we are all subject to means you do believe that the bequeather is taxed twice, but you haven't made it clear. Perhaps you could clear it up? Also, can you answer me the following Do you need roads to succeed in your line of work? Do you use the internet? Have you ever used the NHS or benefitted from private healthcare that uses NHS trained employees? Were you educated at any school? Have you ever needed any of the emergency services? Are there any inventions that you use that were developed with public money, in UK universities? Do you think you benefit from living and working in a society with established institutions and legal system? Are there any circumstances were you might be grateful for the armed forces defending this country? Can you envisage, as a young man if not now, any circumstances that might have resulted in at least temporary unemployment that could have been entirely out of your control? If the answer to any of these question, plus many more I could pose, yes then can you tell me if you think they should be free to you and suggest a better way of funding them other than through taxation? Can you go further and then consider how all of the various factors above, plus many others, have combined to create a society and market conditions to allow you to earn the living that you do and at least take the view that you couldn't have done it all on your own? | |||
" Most very wealthy people avoid inheritance tax altogether by having their assets tied up in trusts. In fact they avoid nearly all those taxs your moaning about. I'm not really arsed who makes what, but what I do care about is the current system is an ecological nightmare." You make some awesome assumptions... | |||
" Inheritance tax is a disgusting tax at any level. Do you think it is wrong to tax the estate when the wealth that was accumulated was what remained after all taxes were paid during the lifetime. Effectively you think the bequeather is being taxed twice? So you get paid and either you don't see your taxed money cos it is taken at source or you pay it by self assessment. Not forgetting NI. If you are unfortunate enough to earn well, you get taxed at an even higher rate. Then when you spend you get on the luxuries that you can afford and you pay extra tax on alcohol, fuel and holidays. If you are fortunate to have anything left and you invest it in a bank or other regulated investment scheme, the benefit that you make is taxed again. If at the end of this you still have enough to put into a speculative investment and it earns a bit of money, you get taxed again on how much it grows. Eventually you die and anything you have left after being taxe to death through life gets taken by the tax man in inheritance tax? Did you just say 'unfortunate' enough to earn well? I gather that the bleating about all the taxes that we are all subject to means you do believe that the bequeather is taxed twice, but you haven't made it clear. Perhaps you could clear it up? Also, can you answer me the following Do you need roads to succeed in your line of work? Do you use the internet? Have you ever used the NHS or benefitted from private healthcare that uses NHS trained employees? Were you educated at any school? Have you ever needed any of the emergency services? Are there any inventions that you use that were developed with public money, in UK universities? Do you think you benefit from living and working in a society with established institutions and legal system? Are there any circumstances were you might be grateful for the armed forces defending this country? Can you envisage, as a young man if not now, any circumstances that might have resulted in at least temporary unemployment that could have been entirely out of your control? If the answer to any of these question, plus many more I could pose, yes then can you tell me if you think they should be free to you and suggest a better way of funding them other than through taxation? Can you go further and then consider how all of the various factors above, plus many others, have combined to create a society and market conditions to allow you to earn the living that you do and at least take the view that you couldn't have done it all on your own? " You work on the very, very mistaken assumption that a high taxed economy is a necessity. It isn't. A low cost government is far better for the country than its people paying unnecessarily high taxes that are being wasted by inefficient state created entities. There are necessities and there are things that we all should take much more personal responsibility for. | |||
" Most very wealthy people avoid inheritance tax altogether by having their assets tied up in trusts. In fact they avoid nearly all those taxs your moaning about. I'm not really arsed who makes what, but what I do care about is the current system is an ecological nightmare. You make some awesome assumptions..." . Not really try reading. Bill gates has his entire wealth in trust, so does Philip green and Bernie ecclestone and the queen and rockefella, Bosch, Guggenheim .... Although warren buffet has said he won't leave any of his relatives inheritance and is giving his money to bill gates foundation which is in trust. Which means he won't pay inheritance tax as it's charitable. I believe your making assumptions on my posts saying I'm making assumptions, which quite frankly it's nuts | |||
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" Which means he won't pay inheritance tax as it's charitable. " Why would he be avoiding paying inheritance Tax? He'd be DEAD..by your logic. | |||
"Newsnight claims Oxfam's 1% amounts to wealth of £530,000 including property. Not a huge amount." . Equity in property not property perse, | |||
" Which means he won't pay inheritance tax as it's charitable. Why would he be avoiding paying inheritance Tax? He'd be DEAD..by your logic." . Is that the only bit you could come back at me with! | |||
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" Inheritance tax is a disgusting tax at any level. Do you think it is wrong to tax the estate when the wealth that was accumulated was what remained after all taxes were paid during the lifetime. Effectively you think the bequeather is being taxed twice? So you get paid and either you don't see your taxed money cos it is taken at source or you pay it by self assessment. Not forgetting NI. If you are unfortunate enough to earn well, you get taxed at an even higher rate. Then when you spend you get on the luxuries that you can afford and you pay extra tax on alcohol, fuel and holidays. If you are fortunate to have anything left and you invest it in a bank or other regulated investment scheme, the benefit that you make is taxed again. If at the end of this you still have enough to put into a speculative investment and it earns a bit of money, you get taxed again on how much it grows. Eventually you die and anything you have left after being taxe to death through life gets taken by the tax man in inheritance tax? Did you just say 'unfortunate' enough to earn well? I gather that the bleating about all the taxes that we are all subject to means you do believe that the bequeather is taxed twice, but you haven't made it clear. Perhaps you could clear it up? Also, can you answer me the following Do you need roads to succeed in your line of work? Do you use the internet? Have you ever used the NHS or benefitted from private healthcare that uses NHS trained employees? Were you educated at any school? Have you ever needed any of the emergency services? Are there any inventions that you use that were developed with public money, in UK universities? Do you think you benefit from living and working in a society with established institutions and legal system? Are there any circumstances were you might be grateful for the armed forces defending this country? Can you envisage, as a young man if not now, any circumstances that might have resulted in at least temporary unemployment that could have been entirely out of your control? If the answer to any of these question, plus many more I could pose, yes then can you tell me if you think they should be free to you and suggest a better way of funding them other than through taxation? Can you go further and then consider how all of the various factors above, plus many others, have combined to create a society and market conditions to allow you to earn the living that you do and at least take the view that you couldn't have done it all on your own? You work on the very, very mistaken assumption that a high taxed economy is a necessity. It isn't. A low cost government is far better for the country than its people paying unnecessarily high taxes that are being wasted by inefficient state created entities. There are necessities and there are things that we all should take much more personal responsibility for." Spot on.
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"Newsnight claims Oxfam's 1% amounts to wealth of £530,000 including property. Not a huge amount." Read Credit Suisse's report for the measuring criteria. | |||
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"Beyond all the get off their arses/I work 25hrs a day/benefit scroungers rhetoric still not one reply as to why the 80 people with $1.9tn tucked away shouldn't try and give each person on this planet access to clean drinking water." . And not to mention the very people bailed out were the rich by the very poor, when capitalism collapsed in 2008. And now when the poor want a helping hand they say fuck off, I've made all this money myself with no help from anyone.  .
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"What aspects of the healthcare service would you spend the money on and how would it help ? . I thought that the problems with the health care service were not lack of funds but how it is managed . Currently 5% of the uk working population work in the health service . " . I would say that it's a labour intensive industry, that's why it costs alot. I would imagine there's an awful lot of financial mismanagement in the NHS which is why it always surprises me that the first things they cut back on is nurses and hospitals | |||
"It is possible to raise your children in a "feathering way", without leaving then monetarily rich. education,values, compassion and yes work ethic, there all important to bring happy without being " wealthy ". Now to all those right wing capitalist die hards,I hate to point this out but right now the biggest economy in the world is communist and the capitalist system failed in 2008,totally and utterly collapsed and was bailed out by that socialistic measure of the masses helping out the few. Now I'm neither communist or capitalist, what I am saying is the current system is failing in every level you can measure it. All except bubble creation and money flowing to the very top." When you say failed , do you not mean parts of the Financial System such as banks ? Apart from banks the share price of many quoted companies are not far off their all time highs . Unless you work in the public sector this benefits all of us as private pensions are largely dependent on stock market performance . | |||
" You work on the very, very mistaken assumption that a high taxed economy is a necessity. It isn't. A low cost government is far better for the country than its people paying unnecessarily high taxes that are being wasted by inefficient state created entities. There are necessities and there are things that we all should take much more personal responsibility for." So we end up arguing where to draw the line, but generally societies have moved towards higher taxation and their economies have benefitted by the investment in society that comes with that. That is true historically, it is true about Western Economies and it is true about emerging economies. Countries that do not invest in infrastructure and institutions fail, because they do not create an environment for businesses to thrive. We can argue around the edges, but the current level of taxation in this country is woefully inadequate for its needs. Inheritance tax is not a further tax on the bequeather. He/she is dead. It is a tax on the recipient who has done nothing to earn it and I'm quite sure you are against these freeloaders getting money for nothing. One thing about high taxation is that it does create a more equal society. This is a good thing. The countries with a more equal society have a generally happier society. An even better way to redistribute wealth than taxation of course is for the wealthy to take less in the first place. If they didn't overvalue themselves and undervalue their staff then there would be a higher tax take and more money circulating in the economy. | |||
"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there." and also have a wide variety of skills and probably took loads of risks to get where they are . I can never understand why people are jealous or obsessed with other peoples money . As long as I am fit and healthy I could not care about other peoples wealth | |||
" You work on the very, very mistaken assumption that a high taxed economy is a necessity. It isn't. A low cost government is far better for the country than its people paying unnecessarily high taxes that are being wasted by inefficient state created entities. There are necessities and there are things that we all should take much more personal responsibility for. So we end up arguing where to draw the line, but generally societies have moved towards higher taxation and their economies have benefitted by the investment in society that comes with that. That is true historically, it is true about Western Economies and it is true about emerging economies. Countries that do not invest in infrastructure and institutions fail, because they do not create an environment for businesses to thrive. We can argue around the edges, but the current level of taxation in this country is woefully inadequate for its needs. Inheritance tax is not a further tax on the bequeather. He/she is dead. It is a tax on the recipient who has done nothing to earn it and I'm quite sure you are against these freeloaders getting money for nothing. One thing about high taxation is that it does create a more equal society. This is a good thing. The countries with a more equal society have a generally happier society. An even better way to redistribute wealth than taxation of course is for the wealthy to take less in the first place. If they didn't overvalue themselves and undervalue their staff then there would be a higher tax take and more money circulating in the economy. " When you say that the recipient of an inheritance has done nothing to earn it , how do you know that is true . ? A farmers son may work for low pay knowing that he will inherit the business eventually or children may look after their parents in order to prevent them being put in care homes . In these cases the recipients have certainly earned the inheritance . | |||
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"It is possible to raise your children in a "feathering way", without leaving then monetarily rich. education,values, compassion and yes work ethic, there all important to bring happy without being " wealthy ". Now to all those right wing capitalist die hards,I hate to point this out but right now the biggest economy in the world is communist and the capitalist system failed in 2008,totally and utterly collapsed and was bailed out by that socialistic measure of the masses helping out the few. Now I'm neither communist or capitalist, what I am saying is the current system is failing in every level you can measure it. All except bubble creation and money flowing to the very top. When you say failed , do you not mean parts of the Financial System such as banks ? Apart from banks the share price of many quoted companies are not far off their all time highs . Unless you work in the public sector this benefits all of us as private pensions are largely dependent on stock market performance ." . The financial system is capitalism, it's where they get the name from capital(money)-ism(ideology), free market industry needs capital, so if the banks failed every industry fails. The current high stock market value is certainly not from free market economics on average profits are down, sales are down, growth is down and dividends are down. In fact most of the highs have been generated from QE, where practically free money is being used on wildly speculative gains. So don't blame me when the stocks go pop very soon. | |||
" You work on the very, very mistaken assumption that a high taxed economy is a necessity. It isn't. A low cost government is far better for the country than its people paying unnecessarily high taxes that are being wasted by inefficient state created entities. There are necessities and there are things that we all should take much more personal responsibility for. So we end up arguing where to draw the line, but generally societies have moved towards higher taxation and their economies have benefitted by the investment in society that comes with that. That is true historically, it is true about Western Economies and it is true about emerging economies. Countries that do not invest in infrastructure and institutions fail, because they do not create an environment for businesses to thrive. We can argue around the edges, but the current level of taxation in this country is woefully inadequate for its needs. Inheritance tax is not a further tax on the bequeather. He/she is dead. It is a tax on the recipient who has done nothing to earn it and I'm quite sure you are against these freeloaders getting money for nothing. One thing about high taxation is that it does create a more equal society. This is a good thing. The countries with a more equal society have a generally happier society. An even better way to redistribute wealth than taxation of course is for the wealthy to take less in the first place. If they didn't overvalue themselves and undervalue their staff then there would be a higher tax take and more money circulating in the economy. When you say that the recipient of an inheritance has done nothing to earn it , how do you know that is true . ? A farmers son may work for low pay knowing that he will inherit the business eventually or children may look after their parents in order to prevent them being put in care homes . In these cases the recipients have certainly earned the inheritance . " . No I certainly wasn't saying they don't deserve it, i was saying it would be more productive to have no inheritance!. The well known saying your born with nothing you leave with nothing is only ever said by the poor, where the other well known saying hard work never killed anyone is only ever used by the wealthy | |||
"Some people would say that we are wealthy, maybe not top 1% but we do OK. How did we do it? Mummy and Daddy leave us a few quid? Nope, not yet anyway. Lottery win? forget it. Sit moaning that others have got more than us? Not likely. OoooH life is so unfair (in appropriate whiny voice) No we both worked 60/70 and sometimes more hours a week, OK we have cut back a bit now but still get stuck in when we have to. Do I give a flying fuck that someone who turns up at the office for 37 hours a week (less sickies of course) has got a bit less than us? Not on your life. So now we can ease back a bit (not a lot) and all the socialist SCUM want to do is tax (steal) the fruits of our hard work and give it to the work shy. Oh, and before anyone gives the "there are no jobs" bullshit, a quarter of a million immigrants every year seem to be able to find work quite easily. So don't give me any crap from Oxfam (chief executive on how much per year?) telling me I should give anything up for the poor unfortunates who prefer, yes prefer, to sit on their arses. And yes occasionally my fingers have gone through the loo paper, usually when I don't have time for a shit because of hard work. Oh how I fucking hate socialists. No tin hat on here because I'm immune to leftie crap coz I've heard it all before." such an invective tirade of malevolent virulence .... it's clear how happy your money has made you  | |||
"Newsnight claims Oxfam's 1% amounts to wealth of £530,000 including property. Not a huge amount." Exactly the point I was making and if you add another 1% that would probably cover almost everyone in the UK. Remember that outside of W Europe and N America - the average wage in the developing world is about $100 per month (£60 per month). It is nothing more than the politics of envy to begrudge those who have a lot (of anything). | |||
"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there.. Don't be ridiculous, the 175 families in the US who own as much wealth as 90% of America inherited their wealth, therefore they've done no work whatsoever... Yes even less than a benefit bum, they at least have to walk to the shop to buy their own booze! So what? If you made loads of money and left it your children, I'm assuming you'd be delighted at having worked really hard your whole life to leave a legacy for your family only to have it wiped out by tax? Ignore the 1%, they have no bearing on our lives, they're just an easy target. " The 1% have no bearing on our lives? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....(continue until my heart and lungs give out). | |||
"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there.. Don't be ridiculous, the 175 families in the US who own as much wealth as 90% of America inherited their wealth, therefore they've done no work whatsoever... Yes even less than a benefit bum, they at least have to walk to the shop to buy their own booze! So what? If you made loads of money and left it your children, I'm assuming you'd be delighted at having worked really hard your whole life to leave a legacy for your family only to have it wiped out by tax? Ignore the 1%, they have no bearing on our lives, they're just an easy target. The 1% have no bearing on our lives? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....(continue until my heart and lungs give out)." Add another 1% and that includes YOU! 2% of the worlds population have as much wealth as the other 98% and you are in that 2%! | |||
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"I don't resent wealthy people where either their family or hardwork got them to that point. I resent wealthy tyrants and megalomaniac type who took what they have by stepping on the little guy. Well done to people richer than us. Unless your a knobhead. i resent people on benefits getting looked after when the hard workers struggle Every day then get cleaned out in taxes" Don't go getting made redundant or ill then. | |||
"Only a small percentage actually deserve What they get in benefits " Work for the DWP do you? | |||
"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there. Most wouldn't know what a days work is, . . Nearest they've got to getting their hands dirty is when their fingers go through the loo paper. Sitting here reading this shit while pulling bits of plaster out of my hair. OK I need a shower. Some people would say that we are wealthy, maybe not top 1% but we do OK. How did we do it? Mummy and Daddy leave us a few quid? Nope, not yet anyway. Lottery win? forget it. Sit moaning that others have got more than us? Not likely. OoooH life is so unfair (in appropriate whiny voice) No we both worked 60/70 and sometimes more hours a week, OK we have cut back a bit now but still get stuck in when we have to. Do I give a flying fuck that someone who turns up at the office for 37 hours a week (less sickies of course) has got a bit less than us? Not on your life. So now we can ease back a bit (not a lot) and all the socialist SCUM want to do is tax (steal) the fruits of our hard work and give it to the work shy. Oh, and before anyone gives the "there are no jobs" bullshit, a quarter of a million immigrants every year seem to be able to find work quite easily. So don't give me any crap from Oxfam (chief executive on how much per year?) telling me I should give anything up for the poor unfortunates who prefer, yes prefer, to sit on their arses. And yes occasionally my fingers have gone through the loo paper, usually when I don't have time for a shit because of hard work. Oh how I fucking hate socialists. No tin hat on here because I'm immune to leftie crap coz I've heard it all before." Try getting a job stacking shelves or sorting waste, when you have an education. They won't touch you. Your alright aren't you Jack? | |||
"Jealousy sucks. Good luck to them, I hope they enjoy their wealth... I know I would!
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Its hard work Not blowing that money on fags, booze, gambling ect..... oh and giving to charity | |||
" Try getting a job stacking shelves or sorting waste, when you have an education. They won't touch you. Your alright aren't you Jack?" We get 250,000 immigrants coming to our country every year looking for (and finding) a better life. Shame that the people who constantly moan and whine about how unfair life is for them dont have the same motivation as immigrants. They are prepared to cross countries and oceans to improve their lives. | |||
"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there.. Don't be ridiculous, the 175 families in the US who own as much wealth as 90% of America inherited their wealth, therefore they've done no work whatsoever... Yes even less than a benefit bum, they at least have to walk to the shop to buy their own booze! So what? If you made loads of money and left it your children, I'm assuming you'd be delighted at having worked really hard your whole life to leave a legacy for your family only to have it wiped out by tax? Ignore the 1%, they have no bearing on our lives, they're just an easy target. The 1% have no bearing on our lives? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....(continue until my heart and lungs give out). Add another 1% and that includes YOU! 2% of the worlds population have as much wealth as the other 98% and you are in that 2%!" . Actually that was equity in the property not property prices. bearing in mind most people are mortgaged to the hilt, I very much doubt that 1 or 2 or even 10% of the population would fall into it. | |||
" Try getting a job stacking shelves or sorting waste, when you have an education. They won't touch you. Your alright aren't you Jack? We get 250,000 immigrants coming to our country every year looking for (and finding) a better life. Shame that the people who constantly moan and whine about how unfair life is for them dont have the same motivation as immigrants. They are prepared to cross countries and oceans to improve their lives." Well when I was out of work I did apply for jobs abroad. Canada, India, Spain, Egypt. But without success. I guess they thought there own people needed the jobs. | |||
" Try getting a job stacking shelves or sorting waste, when you have an education. They won't touch you. Your alright aren't you Jack? We get 250,000 immigrants coming to our country every year looking for (and finding) a better life. Shame that the people who constantly moan and whine about how unfair life is for them dont have the same motivation as immigrants. They are prepared to cross countries and oceans to improve their lives. Well when I was out of work I did apply for jobs abroad. Canada, India, Spain, Egypt. But without success. I guess they thought there own people needed the jobs." You should have just hauled ass and gone - with your bed in your back pack, your dreams in your heart and a few spare quid in your wallet. Just like the eastern europeans who came here. Our sons friends complain that there are no jobs locally and yet our kids are all working. Reason is that they went out with a pocketfull of cv's, knocked doors, insisted to talk to the Managers and made themselves known - in person. Their friends send cv's out and get disheartened when no-one responds. | |||
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"Make your own luck I say. We had £125 per week between us when we got together We are by no means rich but we do pretty well, we got a foot on the property ladder last year and in the grand scheme if things owe very little on the mortgage. look after number one " . Wow I guess houses must be really cheap in Yorkshire!. You certainly wouldn't get a house with 125 here in Bristol | |||
" Try getting a job stacking shelves or sorting waste, when you have an education. They won't touch you. Your alright aren't you Jack? We get 250,000 immigrants coming to our country every year looking for (and finding) a better life. Shame that the people who constantly moan and whine about how unfair life is for them dont have the same motivation as immigrants. They are prepared to cross countries and oceans to improve their lives. Well when I was out of work I did apply for jobs abroad. Canada, India, Spain, Egypt. But without success. I guess they thought there own people needed the jobs. You should have just hauled ass and gone - with your bed in your back pack, your dreams in your heart and a few spare quid in your wallet. Just like the eastern europeans who came here. Our sons friends complain that there are no jobs locally and yet our kids are all working. Reason is that they went out with a pocketfull of cv's, knocked doors, insisted to talk to the Managers and made themselves known - in person. Their friends send cv's out and get disheartened when no-one responds." I like your comment about job hunting . Too many people think society owes them a living . You are awarded for the effort which you put in and the attempts which you make to effectively market yourself. Society owes me absolutely nothing , I have to stand on my own two feet. | |||
"Make your own luck I say. We had £125 per week between us when we got together We are by no means rich but we do pretty well, we got a foot on the property ladder last year and in the grand scheme if things owe very little on the mortgage. look after number one . Wow I guess houses must be really cheap in Yorkshire!. You certainly wouldn't get a house with 125 here in Bristol" If only we could get a house on £125 a week !! I'll take two I'm not disclosing how much we earn now, my point was more about hard work pays off | |||
" When you say that the recipient of an inheritance has done nothing to earn it , how do you know that is true . ? A farmers son may work for low pay knowing that he will inherit the business eventually or children may look after their parents in order to prevent them being put in care homes . In these cases the recipients have certainly earned the inheritance . " The example of the farmer is a poor one because they are entitled to 100% agricultural relief and therefore will pay no tax anyway. This is because the State recognises the unique and essential roll of farms in our economy and feeding the population. Lets just say it was any other business instead. What you are then saying is that the father is not paying his son the going rate. He is deliberately underpaying him, thus suppressing the tax paid to the state with the express intention of taking advantage of the Inheritance Tax threshold. It is another example of tax avoidance. It is legal but it is another contributing factor to the parlous state of the economy. It would be much better to pay the son properly, he would have more money to circulate in the economy and the tax take will be up. With regard to your point about the children looking after their parents, that is a whole different argument and we could get into a lot of details, but rather than do that lets just talk about the one thing you haven't mentioned. What about the ones who don't have to look after anyone. You obviously therefore accept that they haven't earned it, so why shouldn't they be taxed? | |||
"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there. Most wouldn't know what a days work is, . . Nearest they've got to getting their hands dirty is when their fingers go through the loo paper. Sitting here reading this shit while pulling bits of plaster out of my hair. OK I need a shower. Some people would say that we are wealthy, maybe not top 1% but we do OK. How did we do it? Mummy and Daddy leave us a few quid? Nope, not yet anyway. Lottery win? forget it. Sit moaning that others have got more than us? Not likely. OoooH life is so unfair (in appropriate whiny voice) No we both worked 60/70 and sometimes more hours a week, OK we have cut back a bit now but still get stuck in when we have to. Do I give a flying fuck that someone who turns up at the office for 37 hours a week (less sickies of course) has got a bit less than us? Not on your life. So now we can ease back a bit (not a lot) and all the socialist SCUM want to do is tax (steal) the fruits of our hard work and give it to the work shy. Oh, and before anyone gives the "there are no jobs" bullshit, a quarter of a million immigrants every year seem to be able to find work quite easily. So don't give me any crap from Oxfam (chief executive on how much per year?) telling me I should give anything up for the poor unfortunates who prefer, yes prefer, to sit on their arses. And yes occasionally my fingers have gone through the loo paper, usually when I don't have time for a shit because of hard work. Oh how I fucking hate socialists. No tin hat on here because I'm immune to leftie crap coz I've heard it all before. Try getting a job stacking shelves or sorting waste, when you have an education. They won't touch you. Your alright aren't you Jack?" Yes we are thanks, and make no apology for it. Like everyone else we look after ourselves, our family, our close friends, and even help a couple of local, but (with only one exception) never national charities. I wonder how many of the posters bemoaning the rich would behave if they suddenly came into a few quid. I'm sure they would do the honourable thing and give it all to the needy NOT. | |||
"Make your own luck I say. We had £125 per week between us when we got together We are by no means rich but we do pretty well, we got a foot on the property ladder last year and in the grand scheme if things owe very little on the mortgage. look after number one . Wow I guess houses must be really cheap in Yorkshire!. You certainly wouldn't get a house with 125 here in Bristol If only we could get a house on £125 a week !! I'll take two I'm not disclosing how much we earn now, my point was more about hard work pays off " . Yes I know what your sentiment is, it's one i apply to myself vigorously. But I feel it would be better saying hard work "should" pay off, It doesn't the majority of the time. Bill gates, Richard Branson, Steve jobs and James dyson all failed numerous times, some even going bankrupt despite working hard with good ideas. In fact if you read anything wrote by most billionaires there three key attributes to making it are dedication, application and luck, yes luck. In fact branson himself said he made it eventually and with lots of failures but he said he knows there'll be 5000 others who worked just as hard with just as good ideas but weren't as lucky to be in the right place at the right time with the right product!. As the song says what ever you do, don’t congratulate yourself too much or berate yourself either – your choices are half chance, so are everybody else’s | |||
" Try getting a job stacking shelves or sorting waste, when you have an education. They won't touch you. Your alright aren't you Jack? We get 250,000 immigrants coming to our country every year looking for (and finding) a better life. Shame that the people who constantly moan and whine about how unfair life is for them dont have the same motivation as immigrants. They are prepared to cross countries and oceans to improve their lives. Well when I was out of work I did apply for jobs abroad. Canada, India, Spain, Egypt. But without success. I guess they thought there own people needed the jobs. You should have just hauled ass and gone - with your bed in your back pack, your dreams in your heart and a few spare quid in your wallet. Just like the eastern europeans who came here. Our sons friends complain that there are no jobs locally and yet our kids are all working. Reason is that they went out with a pocketfull of cv's, knocked doors, insisted to talk to the Managers and made themselves known - in person. Their friends send cv's out and get disheartened when no-one responds." And who pays for my airfare, food, drinking water? I had been out of work for over 6 months, so received no benefits (except 20% off my council tax, that just slowed down the debt spiral slightly). Who would pay for the childcare whilst my wife was in her job (19k before tax)? Try to insist to see the manager of most places, and find yourself being told to fuck off and don't come back with that attitude. Too many people,not enough work. How many more times? Half the job as you see on websites don't even exist. They are phishing for info. | |||
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"More fucking disgusting than a tinned fruit salad served in an avocado hand basin. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633 What?...this fucking suprises you does it?... Get this: Success LEAVES clues.... The 1% are the 1% for a fucking reason, they worked their arses off to get there. Most wouldn't know what a days work is, . . Nearest they've got to getting their hands dirty is when their fingers go through the loo paper. Sitting here reading this shit while pulling bits of plaster out of my hair. OK I need a shower. Some people would say that we are wealthy, maybe not top 1% but we do OK. How did we do it? Mummy and Daddy leave us a few quid? Nope, not yet anyway. Lottery win? forget it. Sit moaning that others have got more than us? Not likely. OoooH life is so unfair (in appropriate whiny voice) No we both worked 60/70 and sometimes more hours a week, OK we have cut back a bit now but still get stuck in when we have to. Do I give a flying fuck that someone who turns up at the office for 37 hours a week (less sickies of course) has got a bit less than us? Not on your life. So now we can ease back a bit (not a lot) and all the socialist SCUM want to do is tax (steal) the fruits of our hard work and give it to the work shy. Oh, and before anyone gives the "there are no jobs" bullshit, a quarter of a million immigrants every year seem to be able to find work quite easily. So don't give me any crap from Oxfam (chief executive on how much per year?) telling me I should give anything up for the poor unfortunates who prefer, yes prefer, to sit on their arses. And yes occasionally my fingers have gone through the loo paper, usually when I don't have time for a shit because of hard work. Oh how I fucking hate socialists. No tin hat on here because I'm immune to leftie crap coz I've heard it all before. Try getting a job stacking shelves or sorting waste, when you have an education. They won't touch you. Your alright aren't you Jack? Yes we are thanks, and make no apology for it. Like everyone else we look after ourselves, our family, our close friends, and even help a couple of local, but (with only one exception) never national charities. I wonder how many of the posters bemoaning the rich would behave if they suddenly came into a few quid. I'm sure they would do the honourable thing and give it all to the needy NOT. " I don't want to be rich. I don't envy those that are (seen plenty of miserable rich people). All I want is fair pay. Enough to pay rent/mortgage, food, clothing, utilities, maybe a holiday in the summer and save something for the inevitable emergencies. People cannot do that when they are on the minimum wage and a zero hour contract. I'm lucky, I am now working, but everyone in our company has had to go down to a 4 day week, with a commensurate drop in salary. 4/5 of a job is better than no job. But if you think that decent jobs are out there just waiting to be filled, then you nerd to spend some time looking for work when you have been denied any benefits because you have been made redundant twice in two years and subsequently not paid enough of the correct NI contributions. But remember, you can't pick and choose what job you get. If 6 weeks of potato picking for 6.50 an hour falls in your lap, you have to take it. Otherwise your benefits ( which your not getting) will be stopped. Then try claiming again. Its not called a poverty trap for nothing. | |||
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The overwhelming majority of people complaining about the 1% of corporate wealth usually abuse the shit out of corporations and their wealth themselves..
They pay their wages into a corporate bank, and look at the taxes they paid, and say "fucking corporate banks with their tax breaks, making me pay for their stuff."
They go to Tesco's, Asda, Morrissons wherever...another corporation and buy their food.
They go home and write out cheques for all their bills, paying corporations for their Sky and internet and electricity and Mobile phones.
"Fucking corporate assholes," they bitch. "Taking all my money. Giving nothing to the community."
And they microwave some cheeseburgers and watch corporate television produced by a corporation and licensed to a corporation to broadcast through a corporation that another corporation has paid to pipe into your home through a fucking cable created by a corporation.
And then a commercial comes on. "Fucking corporate assholes." - again.
I don't get this shit..and that's why I don't understand half the comments in this thread.
We have a LOT to thank the 1% for. | |||
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"The amount of viciousness in this thread is laughable...
The overwhelming majority of people complaining about the 1% of corporate wealth usually abuse the shit out of corporations and their wealth themselves..
They pay their wages into a corporate bank, and look at the taxes they paid, and say "fucking corporate banks with their tax breaks, making me pay for their stuff."
They go to Tesco's, Asda, Morrissons wherever...another corporation and buy their food.
They go home and write out cheques for all their bills, paying corporations for their Sky and internet and electricity and Mobile phones.
"Fucking corporate assholes," they bitch. "Taking all my money. Giving nothing to the community."
And they microwave some cheeseburgers and watch corporate television produced by a corporation and licensed to a corporation to broadcast through a corporation that another corporation has paid to pipe into your home through a fucking cable created by a corporation.
And then a commercial comes on. "Fucking corporate assholes." - again.
I don't get this shit..and that's why I don't understand half the comments in this thread.
We have a LOT to thank the 1% for."You're not suggesting people think about it properly are you | |||
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"The amount of viciousness in this thread is laughable...
The overwhelming majority of people complaining about the 1% of corporate wealth usually abuse the shit out of corporations and their wealth themselves..
They pay their wages into a corporate bank, and look at the taxes they paid, and say "fucking corporate banks with their tax breaks, making me pay for their stuff."
They go to Tesco's, Asda, Morrissons wherever...another corporation and buy their food.
They go home and write out cheques for all their bills, paying corporations for their Sky and internet and electricity and Mobile phones.
"Fucking corporate assholes," they bitch. "Taking all my money. Giving nothing to the community."
And they microwave some cheeseburgers and watch corporate television produced by a corporation and licensed to a corporation to broadcast through a corporation that another corporation has paid to pipe into your home through a fucking cable created by a corporation.
And then a commercial comes on. "Fucking corporate assholes." - again.
I don't get this shit..and that's why I don't understand half the comments in this thread.
We have a LOT to thank the 1% for."Well said sir. | |||
"Oh and just to add... to the person who just PM'D me saying the 1% are thieves, I didn't respond to your PM because it was...well stupid." We got a couple of nasty PM's as well. Both well thought out and rational NOT. | |||
"Still waiting for an explanation as to why the 80 people who control $1.9tn of wealth shouldn't dip into their pocket when access to clean water/education/medical assistance isn't universally available...think I might have quite a wait!!" I think you will find that Bill Gates and quite a few others already dig very deep through their foundations. While we are at it, I think we will have a lot longer to wait for some 3rd world leaders to get their priorities in order to give their people clean water, health care, education Etc. Instead of space programmes, nuclear arsenals, fleets of new Mercedes, and not forgetting the Mrs going on multi million dollar shopping sprees in Singapore, Hong Kong Etc. | |||
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"Still waiting for an explanation as to why the 80 people who control $1.9tn of wealth shouldn't dip into their pocket when access to clean water/education/medical assistance isn't universally available...think I might have quite a wait!!" Why should they? Their money to do what they please with it | |||
"Name and shame" Space programme, India, nuclear arsenals, India and Pakistan, fleets of Mercedes, pretty much all of them, Shopping trips to Singapore/Hong Kong Mugabe for starters. And that is just off the top of my head, with a bit of research I'm sure I could find a few more. | |||
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" You're not suggesting people think about it properly are you "Yeah I was sort of hoping that ..yes. | |||
" When you say that the recipient of an inheritance has done nothing to earn it , how do you know that is true . ? A farmers son may work for low pay knowing that he will inherit the business eventually or children may look after their parents in order to prevent them being put in care homes . In these cases the recipients have certainly earned the inheritance . The example of the farmer is a poor one because they are entitled to 100% agricultural relief and therefore will pay no tax anyway. This is because the State recognises the unique and essential roll of farms in our economy and feeding the population. Lets just say it was any other business instead. What you are then saying is that the father is not paying his son the going rate. He is deliberately underpaying him, thus suppressing the tax paid to the state with the express intention of taking advantage of the Inheritance Tax threshold. It is another example of tax avoidance. It is legal but it is another contributing factor to the parlous state of the economy. It would be much better to pay the son properly, he would have more money to circulate in the economy and the tax take will be up. With regard to your point about the children looking after their parents, that is a whole different argument and we could get into a lot of details, but rather than do that lets just talk about the one thing you haven't mentioned. What about the ones who don't have to look after anyone. You obviously therefore accept that they haven't earned it, so why shouldn't they be taxed? " . Might be happy to accept on the following conditions . The first three million is tax free and the remainder is taxed at 10 % . I fail to understand why anyone should have to pay tax on capital assets . | |||
"Still waiting for an explanation as to why the 80 people who control $1.9tn of wealth shouldn't dip into their pocket when access to clean water/education/medical assistance isn't universally available...think I might have quite a wait!!" . As other people have said it is their money to use as they please . On what grounds can you justify them having to help anyone?. Surely you should be more concerned about the other 99% and how they can help . | |||
"Name and shame Space programme, India, nuclear arsenals, India and Pakistan, fleets of Mercedes, pretty much all of them, Shopping trips to Singapore/Hong Kong Mugabe for starters. And that is just off the top of my head, with a bit of research I'm sure I could find a few more." The whole of Central Africa is a vipers nest of corrupt officialdom and tribal power plays. You mention Mugabe. His public motivation in land grabbing white farms was to redistribute the wealth to black Africans. They have even less now. | |||
"Name and shame Space programme, India, nuclear arsenals, India and Pakistan, fleets of Mercedes, pretty much all of them, Shopping trips to Singapore/Hong Kong Mugabe for starters. And that is just off the top of my head, with a bit of research I'm sure I could find a few more." No I meant who is sending the nasty pm's | |||
