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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

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By *oo hotCouple  over a year ago

North West

I am sure most of these women are actually men and most of those are also married as well. I pads over 99% of posts like this as being nothing more than fantasists, trolls or both.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It may not be to your taste, but it's not illegal. A LOT of people in the world have bareback sex. It's not something you can police, really, you can just choose to not partake.

Anyway, they may still take precautions which are to their satisfaction.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I am sure most of these women are actually men and most of those are also married as well. I pads over 99% of posts like this as being nothing more than fantasists, trolls or both."

Yes your probably right, however there are actually meets and profiles with clear pics of bareback, i know its a tricky subject matter but for me im just amazed that these women put themselves at such high risk ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think you'd be mad to do it too. Not even if I'd d*unk every beer in existence.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If your stupid enough to participate in this, you need help and not just for the STI's that you'd probably catch.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I say let them get on with it if they enjoy it. Just let everyone know who they are so we know to avoid such folk.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I am sure most of these women are actually men and most of those are also married as well. I pads over 99% of posts like this as being nothing more than fantasists, trolls or both.

Yes your probably right, however there are actually meets and profiles with clear pics of bareback, i know its a tricky subject matter but for me im just amazed that these women put themselves at such high risk ?"

I was blocked by several people who I thought were (fledgling) good friends of mine - because I could see after closer examination of their pics/veri's that they were involved in bareback gangbangs. When I pointed out that this meant I wasn't interested in them sexually (condoms split/come off sometimes) but i'd be their friends - they took offence and blocked me!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I say let them get on with it if they enjoy it. Just let everyone know who they are so we know to avoid such folk."

Yeh i have no problem with them getting on with it, i guess where im coming from is if you dont know them etc they are potentially a health risk to other swingers ??

If they are also that care free in their play does that then mean that carefree attitude is used when they go to clubs and play with others ??

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ?? "

could not agree more

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I have had many discussions about this with various people over the past . . I appreciate each to their own . . but I have been sat in a pool while a female took her second bareback guy. . I had to run. . I was so distraught with regards to this woman. . she had no idea who the guts were, when they were last tested or even if they had. .

I know of at least 4 bareback gangbangs that have been advertised . . and I don't understand why all parties involved aren't thinking of their own safety . .

Unfortunately at the end if the day we can only be responsible for our own safety . . always condins for me . . as well as the implant. . I take some things seriously. . x

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I have had many discussions about this with various people over the past . . I appreciate each to their own . . but I have been sat in a pool while a female took her second bareback guy. . I had to run. . I was so distraught with regards to this woman. . she had no idea who the guts were, when they were last tested or even if they had. .

I know of at least 4 bareback gangbangs that have been advertised . . and I don't understand why all parties involved aren't thinking of their own safety . .

Unfortunately at the end if the day we can only be responsible for our own safety . . always condins for me . . as well as the implant. . I take some things seriously. . x "

+1 this

Its also the guys that put themeselves and others at risk !

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I say let them get on with it if they enjoy it. Just let everyone know who they are so we know to avoid such folk.

Yeh i have no problem with them getting on with it, i guess where im coming from is if you dont know them etc they are potentially a health risk to other swingers ??

If they are also that care free in their play does that then mean that carefree attitude is used when they go to clubs and play with others ??

"

Some will do it openly in clubs yes . . x

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By *illwill69uMan  over a year ago

moston

Pulls up chair and opens new popcorn box...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I am sure most of these women are actually men and most of those are also married as well. I pads over 99% of posts like this as being nothing more than fantasists, trolls or both."
Absolutely.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Pulls up chair and opens new popcorn box...

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Do you find this a funny subject then ??

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ?? "

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

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By *ngel_38Woman  over a year ago

Staffs


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ?? "

They probably get paid to go bb

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By *urboTongue21Man  over a year ago

Walsall

Correct. Think onus is on players to say to other players if they do then you have a choice. The risk is not knowing...

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

"

Good question and to be fair i dont have the answer, there are extremes like banning profiles promoting bareback sex etc but that is an extreme.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

"

Plus how do you manage their offline sex? I don't only have sex through this site, and I'm pretty sure others are the same.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It may not be to your taste, but it's not illegal. A LOT of people in the world have bareback sex. It's not something you can police, really, you can just choose to not partake.

Anyway, they may still take precautions which are to their satisfaction. "

This. I don't let their behaviour concern me to be honest. There are a lot if people in this world and we are all responsible for our own actions and if they don't impact my life then so what?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

Plus how do you manage their offline sex? I don't only have sex through this site, and I'm pretty sure others are the same. "

I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ??

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I say let them get on with it if they enjoy it. Just let everyone know who they are so we know to avoid such folk."

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"It may not be to your taste, but it's not illegal. A LOT of people in the world have bareback sex. It's not something you can police, really, you can just choose to not partake.

Anyway, they may still take precautions which are to their satisfaction.

This. I don't let their behaviour concern me to be honest. There are a lot if people in this world and we are all responsible for our own actions and if they don't impact my life then so what?"

Yes but you see it COULD impact on your life ! As you are in the lifestyle.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I've met a surprisingly high proportion of women who prefer, or insist on bareback. Never really understood it. They tend to bring up the old 'Well what about the risks in oral sex' argument.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It may not be to your taste, but it's not illegal. A LOT of people in the world have bareback sex. It's not something you can police, really, you can just choose to not partake.

Anyway, they may still take precautions which are to their satisfaction.

This. I don't let their behaviour concern me to be honest. There are a lot if people in this world and we are all responsible for our own actions and if they don't impact my life then so what?

Yes but you see it COULD impact on your life ! As you are in the lifestyle. "

How so? I assume everyone I meet hardbacks so I take precautions and I take a level of risk that is acceptable to me. If I didn't accept that there was some risk I wouldn't be in the lifestyle.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't think you should ban it. At the moment we can see more openly and make an informed choice but we tear everyone like they have played bareback and always play safe as we can

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

Plus how do you manage their offline sex? I don't only have sex through this site, and I'm pretty sure others are the same.

I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ?? "

I'm not sure. I think we put ourselves at risk, and it's important to take care of our own sexual health.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"It may not be to your taste, but it's not illegal. A LOT of people in the world have bareback sex. It's not something you can police, really, you can just choose to not partake.

Anyway, they may still take precautions which are to their satisfaction.

This. I don't let their behaviour concern me to be honest. There are a lot if people in this world and we are all responsible for our own actions and if they don't impact my life then so what?

Yes but you see it COULD impact on your life ! As you are in the lifestyle.

How so? I assume everyone I meet hardbacks so I take precautions and I take a level of risk that is acceptable to me. If I didn't accept that there was some risk I wouldn't be in the lifestyle."

Keyword there is assume, im not having a pop just playing devils advocate

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I don't think you should ban it. At the moment we can see more openly and make an informed choice but we tear everyone like they have played bareback and always play safe as we can "

Thats our outlook too

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It may not be to your taste, but it's not illegal. A LOT of people in the world have bareback sex. It's not something you can police, really, you can just choose to not partake.

Anyway, they may still take precautions which are to their satisfaction.

This. I don't let their behaviour concern me to be honest. There are a lot if people in this world and we are all responsible for our own actions and if they don't impact my life then so what?

Yes but you see it COULD impact on your life ! As you are in the lifestyle.

How so? I assume everyone I meet hardbacks so I take precautions and I take a level of risk that is acceptable to me. If I didn't accept that there was some risk I wouldn't be in the lifestyle.

Keyword there is assume, im not having a pop just playing devils advocate

"

I don't get how they are impacting me though?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"It may not be to your taste, but it's not illegal. A LOT of people in the world have bareback sex. It's not something you can police, really, you can just choose to not partake.

Anyway, they may still take precautions which are to their satisfaction.

This. I don't let their behaviour concern me to be honest. There are a lot if people in this world and we are all responsible for our own actions and if they don't impact my life then so what?

Yes but you see it COULD impact on your life ! As you are in the lifestyle.

How so? I assume everyone I meet hardbacks so I take precautions and I take a level of risk that is acceptable to me. If I didn't accept that there was some risk I wouldn't be in the lifestyle.

Keyword there is assume, im not having a pop just playing devils advocate

I don't get how they are impacting me though? "

Because you are meeting, therefore you dont know the history of your potential meet ? Hence the risk.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It may not be to your taste, but it's not illegal. A LOT of people in the world have bareback sex. It's not something you can police, really, you can just choose to not partake.

Anyway, they may still take precautions which are to their satisfaction.

This. I don't let their behaviour concern me to be honest. There are a lot if people in this world and we are all responsible for our own actions and if they don't impact my life then so what?

Yes but you see it COULD impact on your life ! As you are in the lifestyle.

How so? I assume everyone I meet hardbacks so I take precautions and I take a level of risk that is acceptable to me. If I didn't accept that there was some risk I wouldn't be in the lifestyle.

Keyword there is assume, im not having a pop just playing devils advocate

"

I don't get how they are impacting me though?

Pressed post to soon....What i meant to add was any more than anyone else on the site? Just because they advertise they do it doesn't mean that they are the only ones.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I do worry to a greater or lesser degree about the passing on of stis and the like from this kind of thing. The simple fact is that many guys will lie about pretty much anything to get a woman to have sex with them. "No im straight, even though I've met guys," "no I'm single, even though I talk about my partner," "no I ALWAYS use a condom, unless I can get away with it or my partner doesn't mind,"

I don't know who the person has been with or what lies they've been told so I think first and foremost about my health. Undoubtably others are reckless with theirs, I'm not

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It may not be to your taste, but it's not illegal. A LOT of people in the world have bareback sex. It's not something you can police, really, you can just choose to not partake.

Anyway, they may still take precautions which are to their satisfaction.

This. I don't let their behaviour concern me to be honest. There are a lot if people in this world and we are all responsible for our own actions and if they don't impact my life then so what?

Yes but you see it COULD impact on your life ! As you are in the lifestyle.

How so? I assume everyone I meet hardbacks so I take precautions and I take a level of risk that is acceptable to me. If I didn't accept that there was some risk I wouldn't be in the lifestyle.

Keyword there is assume, im not having a pop just playing devils advocate

I don't get how they are impacting me though?

Because you are meeting, therefore you dont know the history of your potential meet ? Hence the risk. "

But like i said. ..when you go into this lifestyle you either accept all the risks involved or you don't. You will never know the true sexual history of anyone.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


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It may not be to your taste, but it's not illegal. A LOT of people in the world have bareback sex. It's not something you can police, really, you can just choose to not partake.

Anyway, they may still take precautions which are to their satisfaction.

This. I don't let their behaviour concern me to be honest. There are a lot if people in this world and we are all responsible for our own actions and if they don't impact my life then so what?

Yes but you see it COULD impact on your life ! As you are in the lifestyle.

How so? I assume everyone I meet hardbacks so I take precautions and I take a level of risk that is acceptable to me. If I didn't accept that there was some risk I wouldn't be in the lifestyle.

Keyword there is assume, im not having a pop just playing devils advocate

I don't get how they are impacting me though?

Pressed post to soon....What i meant to add was any more than anyone else on the site? Just because they advertise they do it doesn't mean that they are the only ones."

Absolutely, your not the only one by far lol and was not singling you out in anyway, we are all at risk.

My main point at the beginning is the more about the psychology behind those that do go bareback and why they would risk themselves so highly ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

"

I agree and to some extent the question is academic if you as an individual do not meet guys that want to bareback. It's dangerous and easily avoided on here. Its a stupid risk to take but you can't police what happens at a meet between consenting adults.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

It may not be to your taste, but it's not illegal. A LOT of people in the world have bareback sex. It's not something you can police, really, you can just choose to not partake.

Anyway, they may still take precautions which are to their satisfaction.

This. I don't let their behaviour concern me to be honest. There are a lot if people in this world and we are all responsible for our own actions and if they don't impact my life then so what?

Yes but you see it COULD impact on your life ! As you are in the lifestyle.

How so? I assume everyone I meet hardbacks so I take precautions and I take a level of risk that is acceptable to me. If I didn't accept that there was some risk I wouldn't be in the lifestyle.

Keyword there is assume, im not having a pop just playing devils advocate

I don't get how they are impacting me though?

Pressed post to soon....What i meant to add was any more than anyone else on the site? Just because they advertise they do it doesn't mean that they are the only ones.

Absolutely, your not the only one by far lol and was not singling you out in anyway, we are all at risk.

My main point at the beginning is the more about the psychology behind those that do go bareback and why they would risk themselves so highly ?

"

Why do people go free falling? Why do people base jump? Why do people race motorcycles? All very risky activities.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Personally I believe we as a community have a responsibility to each other to play safely. The old adage 'each to their own' doesn't really wash as far as I'm concerned. Sexual health is something we all have a responsibility to be vigilant about, and bareback sex with strangers is not only dangerous for the individual, but for the larger community as well.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

unless you treat everyone you meet as if they have AIDS and herpes you're at risk. if you don't want to risk it don't play.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman  over a year ago

Kent


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

Good question and to be fair i dont have the answer, there are extremes like banning profiles promoting bareback sex etc but that is an extreme. "

For every profile that openly states they play bare so people can make an informed choice there are plenty more that don't. I've had them message me and when I've pointed out that they are asking me for bareback but state safe sex only on their profile they say that's because it's puts people off them.

So trying to ban anything will make it so that more people keep it quiet. Which is much more dangerous.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Personally I believe we as a community have a responsibility to each other to play safely. The old adage 'each to their own' doesn't really wash as far as I'm concerned. Sexual health is something we all have a responsibility to be vigilant about, and bareback sex with strangers is not only dangerous for the individual, but for the larger community as well. "

See i agree with this !

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Personally I believe we as a community have a responsibility to each other to play safely. The old adage 'each to their own' doesn't really wash as far as I'm concerned. Sexual health is something we all have a responsibility to be vigilant about, and bareback sex with strangers is not only dangerous for the individual, but for the larger community as well. "

that's lovely but you can not control the behaviour of others.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Personally I believe we as a community have a responsibility to each other to play safely. The old adage 'each to their own' doesn't really wash as far as I'm concerned. Sexual health is something we all have a responsibility to be vigilant about, and bareback sex with strangers is not only dangerous for the individual, but for the larger community as well.

that's lovely but you can not control the behaviour of others."

I'm not trying to control the behaviour of others - I'm just saying that people 'should' be more responsible. I know I can't force anyone, it's just my opinion on a subject that I feel very very strongly about.

Sexual health kills people - end of story.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Each to their own

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Each to their own "

^^^^ I rest my case.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Personally I believe we as a community have a responsibility to each other to play safely. The old adage 'each to their own' doesn't really wash as far as I'm concerned. Sexual health is something we all have a responsibility to be vigilant about, and bareback sex with strangers is not only dangerous for the individual, but for the larger community as well.

that's lovely but you can not control the behaviour of others.

I'm not trying to control the behaviour of others - I'm just saying that people 'should' be more responsible. I know I can't force anyone, it's just my opinion on a subject that I feel very very strongly about.

Sexual health kills people - end of story."

And i don't think anyone will disagree with that. Yes people should. But they aren't. So all we can do is look after ourselves.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Personally I believe we as a community have a responsibility to each other to play safely. The old adage 'each to their own' doesn't really wash as far as I'm concerned. Sexual health is something we all have a responsibility to be vigilant about, and bareback sex with strangers is not only dangerous for the individual, but for the larger community as well.

that's lovely but you can not control the behaviour of others.

I'm not trying to control the behaviour of others - I'm just saying that people 'should' be more responsible. I know I can't force anyone, it's just my opinion on a subject that I feel very very strongly about.

Sexual health kills people - end of story.

And i don't think anyone will disagree with that. Yes people should. But they aren't. So all we can do is look after ourselves. "

Physically yes, you can only look after yourself - with regard to these conversations on forums, there's really no harm in trying to promote a way of thinking that's more responsible for the community though. You keep trying to dampen me down, but I see no reason why because you also agree with me

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


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Physically yes, you can only look after yourself - with regard to these conversations on forums, there's really no harm in trying to promote a way of thinking that's more responsible for the community though. You keep trying to dampen me down, but I see no reason why because you also agree with me "

I'm not dampening you down just pointing out that you aren't going to change the world on a swinging website forum. ..That's a bit how you come across sometimes

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Personally I believe we as a community have a responsibility to each other to play safely. The old adage 'each to their own' doesn't really wash as far as I'm concerned. Sexual health is something we all have a responsibility to be vigilant about, and bareback sex with strangers is not only dangerous for the individual, but for the larger community as well.

that's lovely but you can not control the behaviour of others.

I'm not trying to control the behaviour of others - I'm just saying that people 'should' be more responsible. I know I can't force anyone, it's just my opinion on a subject that I feel very very strongly about.

Sexual health kills people - end of story.

And i don't think anyone will disagree with that. Yes people should. But they aren't. So all we can do is look after ourselves.

Physically yes, you can only look after yourself - with regard to these conversations on forums, there's really no harm in trying to promote a way of thinking that's more responsible for the community though. You keep trying to dampen me down, but I see no reason why because you also agree with me "

Drink driving was once common place whereas now after many years of campaigning and education it is no longer deemed acceptable in current society. You have a long battle ahead of you if you wish to achieve the same results for bareback sex.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Why do people go free falling? Why do people base jump? Why do people race motorcycles? All very risky activities. "

I always wear a condom on my bike.....

You know...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Why do people go free falling? Why do people base jump? Why do people race motorcycles? All very risky activities.

I always wear a condom on my bike.....

You know... "

That's ok then. ...safe motorcycling all the way

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Personally I believe we as a community have a responsibility to each other to play safely. The old adage 'each to their own' doesn't really wash as far as I'm concerned. Sexual health is something we all have a responsibility to be vigilant about, and bareback sex with strangers is not only dangerous for the individual, but for the larger community as well.

that's lovely but you can not control the behaviour of others.

I'm not trying to control the behaviour of others - I'm just saying that people 'should' be more responsible. I know I can't force anyone, it's just my opinion on a subject that I feel very very strongly about.

Sexual health kills people - end of story.

And i don't think anyone will disagree with that. Yes people should. But they aren't. So all we can do is look after ourselves.

Physically yes, you can only look after yourself - with regard to these conversations on forums, there's really no harm in trying to promote a way of thinking that's more responsible for the community though. You keep trying to dampen me down, but I see no reason why because you also agree with me

Drink driving was once common place whereas now after many years of campaigning and education it is no longer deemed acceptable in current society. You have a long battle ahead of you if you wish to achieve the same results for bareback sex."

No i disagree, through knowledge , education etc the vast majority look after their sexual health. Those that dont and are blatant about it in this lifestyle are the ones that for me cause concern

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Why do people go free falling? Why do people base jump? Why do people race motorcycles? All very risky activities.

I always wear a condom on my bike.....

You know...

That's ok then. ...safe motorcycling all the way "

No it's not supposed to be safe. ..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't mean to sound like I'm trying to change the world, although it is an emotive subject because it matters.

As samanjamie said above, education and exposure does make a difference

I also agree with the guy above - climbing a mountain, riding a bike etc is meant to be dangerous - there's a big difference!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Personally i dont think you can compare, drink driving, climbing, riding a bike etc to this.

They are calculated risks ( apart from drink driving ) taken by people that know the risks to themselves.

Swinging is not calculated because you have many factors involved that are not calculated and are immeasurable.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Personally I believe we as a community have a responsibility to each other to play safely. The old adage 'each to their own' doesn't really wash as far as I'm concerned. Sexual health is something we all have a responsibility to be vigilant about, and bareback sex with strangers is not only dangerous for the individual, but for the larger community as well.

that's lovely but you can not control the behaviour of others.

I'm not trying to control the behaviour of others - I'm just saying that people 'should' be more responsible. I know I can't force anyone, it's just my opinion on a subject that I feel very very strongly about.

Sexual health kills people - end of story.

And i don't think anyone will disagree with that. Yes people should. But they aren't. So all we can do is look after ourselves.

Physically yes, you can only look after yourself - with regard to these conversations on forums, there's really no harm in trying to promote a way of thinking that's more responsible for the community though. You keep trying to dampen me down, but I see no reason why because you also agree with me

Drink driving was once common place whereas now after many years of campaigning and education it is no longer deemed acceptable in current society. You have a long battle ahead of you if you wish to achieve the same results for bareback sex.

No i disagree, through knowledge , education etc the vast majority look after their sexual health. Those that dont and are blatant about it in this lifestyle are the ones that for me cause concern "

Surely it's the ones who are not blatant about that are more cause for concern. The blatant you can easily avoid.

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By *oo hotCouple  over a year ago

North West


"I am sure most of these women are actually men and most of those are also married as well. I pads over 99% of posts like this as being nothing more than fantasists, trolls or both.

Yes your probably right, however there are actually meets and profiles with clear pics of bareback, i know its a tricky subject matter but for me im just amazed that these women put themselves at such high risk ?"

Assuming the pics are genuine? Also worth noting that a "buried" (yuk) cock may actually have a condom on it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Personally i dont think you can compare, drink driving, climbing, riding a bike etc to this.

They are calculated risks ( apart from drink driving ) taken by people that know the risks to themselves.

Swinging is not calculated because you have many factors involved that are not calculated and are immeasurable. "

But you know that when you start swinging, so in a way it is calculated

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Personally I believe we as a community have a responsibility to each other to play safely. The old adage 'each to their own' doesn't really wash as far as I'm concerned. Sexual health is something we all have a responsibility to be vigilant about, and bareback sex with strangers is not only dangerous for the individual, but for the larger community as well.

that's lovely but you can not control the behaviour of others.

I'm not trying to control the behaviour of others - I'm just saying that people 'should' be more responsible. I know I can't force anyone, it's just my opinion on a subject that I feel very very strongly about.

Sexual health kills people - end of story.

And i don't think anyone will disagree with that. Yes people should. But they aren't. So all we can do is look after ourselves.

Physically yes, you can only look after yourself - with regard to these conversations on forums, there's really no harm in trying to promote a way of thinking that's more responsible for the community though. You keep trying to dampen me down, but I see no reason why because you also agree with me

Drink driving was once common place whereas now after many years of campaigning and education it is no longer deemed acceptable in current society. You have a long battle ahead of you if you wish to achieve the same results for bareback sex.

No i disagree, through knowledge , education etc the vast majority look after their sexual health. Those that dont and are blatant about it in this lifestyle are the ones that for me cause concern

Surely it's the ones who are not blatant about that are more cause for concern. The blatant you can easily avoid."

True, but heres a scenario the ones that you do know about may not have face pics etc, you run into them in a club and all is going well so you go to play not knowing that they have been barebacking etc ??

Just a scenario and example.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Personally I believe we as a community have a responsibility to each other to play safely. The old adage 'each to their own' doesn't really wash as far as I'm concerned. Sexual health is something we all have a responsibility to be vigilant about, and bareback sex with strangers is not only dangerous for the individual, but for the larger community as well.

that's lovely but you can not control the behaviour of others.

I'm not trying to control the behaviour of others - I'm just saying that people 'should' be more responsible. I know I can't force anyone, it's just my opinion on a subject that I feel very very strongly about.

Sexual health kills people - end of story.

And i don't think anyone will disagree with that. Yes people should. But they aren't. So all we can do is look after ourselves.

Physically yes, you can only look after yourself - with regard to these conversations on forums, there's really no harm in trying to promote a way of thinking that's more responsible for the community though. You keep trying to dampen me down, but I see no reason why because you also agree with me

Drink driving was once common place whereas now after many years of campaigning and education it is no longer deemed acceptable in current society. You have a long battle ahead of you if you wish to achieve the same results for bareback sex.

No i disagree, through knowledge , education etc the vast majority look after their sexual health. Those that dont and are blatant about it in this lifestyle are the ones that for me cause concern

Surely it's the ones who are not blatant about that are more cause for concern. The blatant you can easily avoid.

True, but heres a scenario the ones that you do know about may not have face pics etc, you run into them in a club and all is going well so you go to play not knowing that they have been barebacking etc ??

Just a scenario and example. "

So blatant or not makes no real difference, you can never be 100% certain and there is always a risk.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Anything that is prohibited is driven underground. There are many activities that people undertake for "recreational purposes" either are frowned upon by society pr just outright illegal.

You will not find a single profile that states they use drugs, because it is not permitted.

I can understand the argument for education, but to criticise and condemn is potentially counterproductive.

As already stated, people will state on their profile to meet their own ends, whether that is safe sex only to entice those who do not go bareback, to the people who state no men, to reduce the burden on the inbox.

Look after your own health. Take whatever precautions you need and feel comfortable. If you are not 100% confident in your potential sexual partner, just walk away.

We are all adults after all...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I don't mean to sound like I'm trying to change the world, although it is an emotive subject because it matters.

As samanjamie said above, education and exposure does make a difference

I also agree with the guy above - climbing a mountain, riding a bike etc is meant to be dangerous - there's a big difference!"

Ah but , and here's the thing .... For many that enjoy bareback a part of the thrill is the risk .

As strange as it sounds , in the same way as we may not get a boxer who puts his head at risk , or a motorcyclist who races and risks his life , or indeed any risky venture .

There's nowt so strange as folk as the he saying goes .

There's also the smokers and drinkers who are slowly killing themselves and those who take no care with their diet . The list goes on and we are a strange bunch . But the more others tell us what we should and shouldn't do , the more we will want to do it !

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Personally I believe we as a community have a responsibility to each other to play safely. The old adage 'each to their own' doesn't really wash as far as I'm concerned. Sexual health is something we all have a responsibility to be vigilant about, and bareback sex with strangers is not only dangerous for the individual, but for the larger community as well. "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I don't mean to sound like I'm trying to change the world, although it is an emotive subject because it matters.

As samanjamie said above, education and exposure does make a difference

I also agree with the guy above - climbing a mountain, riding a bike etc is meant to be dangerous - there's a big difference!

Ah but , and here's the thing .... For many that enjoy bareback a part of the thrill is the risk .

As strange as it sounds , in the same way as we may not get a boxer who puts his head at risk , or a motorcyclist who races and risks his life , or indeed any risky venture .

There's nowt so strange as folk as the he saying goes .

There's also the smokers and drinkers who are slowly killing themselves and those who take no care with their diet . The list goes on and we are a strange bunch . But the more others tell us what we should and shouldn't do , the more we will want to do it !"

Thank you. ..That's the point i was making but couldn't be bothered to explain further! !

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

I guess one the main significant points that has been brought up is the risk to other swingers ?

Points well made about looking after your own sexual health etc, and as a couple we are very careful and use the tools we can to ensure the risk is as minimal as possible thats our choice.

On the other hand there is something to be said for the risk that bareback players create for the community and therein lies the problem, yes it raises a question how is it treated or dealt with, or even should it be addressed ??

In a perfect world we would all be able to play safely with no worry of risk or STI's etc but its not perfect. I just struggle to comprehend why certain people would put themselves and others in the community at such risk.

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By *arry247Couple  over a year ago

Wakefield


"

I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ?? "

No in fact they are doing the exact opposite.

By advertising they are involved in bareback any potential meet knows what they are into beforehand and are therefore protected.

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By *irtycpl7980Couple  over a year ago

Northumberland


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

Plus how do you manage their offline sex? I don't only have sex through this site, and I'm pretty sure others are the same.

I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ?? "

We personally think that if they are BLATANTLY open about it then they are PROTECTING people from the risk! It's those that don't promote it that are the risk.

Besides people always talk about bareback as if it is the ONLY risk, whilst we appreciate the risk is increased, girl on girl where we have NEVER seen protection can transfer STD's along with MF oral sex. Do all those that condem others choices REALLY use protection even for oral especially in clubs?

Some may and we also play safe but we would not sit here condemning and then asking for their heads!

TIred of these threads, normally don't post or waste my time reading them but the fact that we all swing/swap partners we expose ourselves to risk. Do what you need and want to reduce the risk but do not be naive enough to think that you are so morally high that you are not open to risk and can judge others.

PS this is not a personal attack on you so please don't take it that way but merely a frustration with a perception that has permeated through the swinger society that others put you at risk. YOU PUT YOURSELF AT RISK DOING WHAT WE DO, we can only (as said before) reduce our risks.

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By *irtycpl7980Couple  over a year ago

Northumberland


"

I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ??

No in fact they are doing the exact opposite.

By advertising they are involved in bareback any potential meet knows what they are into beforehand and are therefore protected."

Haha, beat us too it!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Ahhh but your smokers and drinkers pay taxes on the luxuries they enjoy which in turn help fund the NHS. . however swinging is not taxed and therefore does not contribute to the NHS that would be expected to care for them if they caught something. .

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

Plus how do you manage their offline sex? I don't only have sex through this site, and I'm pretty sure others are the same.

I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ??

We personally think that if they are BLATANTLY open about it then they are PROTECTING people from the risk! It's those that don't promote it that are the risk.

Besides people always talk about bareback as if it is the ONLY risk, whilst we appreciate the risk is increased, girl on girl where we have NEVER seen protection can transfer STD's along with MF oral sex. Do all those that condem others choices REALLY use protection even for oral especially in clubs?

Some may and we also play safe but we would not sit here condemning and then asking for their heads!

TIred of these threads, normally don't post or waste my time reading them but the fact that we all swing/swap partners we expose ourselves to risk. Do what you need and want to reduce the risk but do not be naive enough to think that you are so morally high that you are not open to risk and can judge others.

PS this is not a personal attack on you so please don't take it that way but merely a frustration with a perception that has permeated through the swinger society that others put you at risk. YOU PUT YOURSELF AT RISK DOING WHAT WE DO, we can only (as said before) reduce our risks."

WRONG !!! Yes we put ourselves at risk, however we dont just meet of fab, we meet at clubs also and would not be able to know what that couple or singles history or preference is on fab due to not being able to view their profile !

Thats my point.

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By *L RogueMan  over a year ago

London

If it wasn't for bareback, I wouldn't be here.

Sorry. Bit crude! But as many have said, You are only responsible for your own sexual practices. The real safe is no sex. Everyone here is taking some kind of risk because of people's sexual practices outside of Fabs and there's no way of knowing that. Someone might preach "safe sex" but may do the opposite when meeting people away from Fabs.

As much as you are all nice people, just because you say you practice safe sex doesn't make it true which means it's always best to take your own precautions. To be honest, sometimes I think people doth protest too much.

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By *irtycpl7980Couple  over a year ago

Northumberland


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

Plus how do you manage their offline sex? I don't only have sex through this site, and I'm pretty sure others are the same.

I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ??

We personally think that if they are BLATANTLY open about it then they are PROTECTING people from the risk! It's those that don't promote it that are the risk.

Besides people always talk about bareback as if it is the ONLY risk, whilst we appreciate the risk is increased, girl on girl where we have NEVER seen protection can transfer STD's along with MF oral sex. Do all those that condem others choices REALLY use protection even for oral especially in clubs?

Some may and we also play safe but we would not sit here condemning and then asking for their heads!

TIred of these threads, normally don't post or waste my time reading them but the fact that we all swing/swap partners we expose ourselves to risk. Do what you need and want to reduce the risk but do not be naive enough to think that you are so morally high that you are not open to risk and can judge others.

PS this is not a personal attack on you so please don't take it that way but merely a frustration with a perception that has permeated through the swinger society that others put you at risk. YOU PUT YOURSELF AT RISK DOING WHAT WE DO, we can only (as said before) reduce our risks.

WRONG !!! Yes we put ourselves at risk, however we dont just meet of fab, we meet at clubs also and would not be able to know what that couple or singles history or preference is on fab due to not being able to view their profile !

Thats my point. "

So how are we wrong? You are just confirming EVERYTHING we just said!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

Plus how do you manage their offline sex? I don't only have sex through this site, and I'm pretty sure others are the same.

I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ??

We personally think that if they are BLATANTLY open about it then they are PROTECTING people from the risk! It's those that don't promote it that are the risk.

Besides people always talk about bareback as if it is the ONLY risk, whilst we appreciate the risk is increased, girl on girl where we have NEVER seen protection can transfer STD's along with MF oral sex. Do all those that condem others choices REALLY use protection even for oral especially in clubs?

Some may and we also play safe but we would not sit here condemning and then asking for their heads!

TIred of these threads, normally don't post or waste my time reading them but the fact that we all swing/swap partners we expose ourselves to risk. Do what you need and want to reduce the risk but do not be naive enough to think that you are so morally high that you are not open to risk and can judge others.

PS this is not a personal attack on you so please don't take it that way but merely a frustration with a perception that has permeated through the swinger society that others put you at risk. YOU PUT YOURSELF AT RISK DOING WHAT WE DO, we can only (as said before) reduce our risks.

WRONG !!! Yes we put ourselves at risk, however we dont just meet of fab, we meet at clubs also and would not be able to know what that couple or singles history or preference is on fab due to not being able to view their profile !

Thats my point. "

And my point is that you know these risks and obviously accept them otherwise you wouldn't be swinging.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

Plus how do you manage their offline sex? I don't only have sex through this site, and I'm pretty sure others are the same.

I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ??

We personally think that if they are BLATANTLY open about it then they are PROTECTING people from the risk! It's those that don't promote it that are the risk.

Besides people always talk about bareback as if it is the ONLY risk, whilst we appreciate the risk is increased, girl on girl where we have NEVER seen protection can transfer STD's along with MF oral sex. Do all those that condem others choices REALLY use protection even for oral especially in clubs?

Some may and we also play safe but we would not sit here condemning and then asking for their heads!

TIred of these threads, normally don't post or waste my time reading them but the fact that we all swing/swap partners we expose ourselves to risk. Do what you need and want to reduce the risk but do not be naive enough to think that you are so morally high that you are not open to risk and can judge others.

PS this is not a personal attack on you so please don't take it that way but merely a frustration with a perception that has permeated through the swinger society that others put you at risk. YOU PUT YOURSELF AT RISK DOING WHAT WE DO, we can only (as said before) reduce our risks.

WRONG !!! Yes we put ourselves at risk, however we dont just meet of fab, we meet at clubs also and would not be able to know what that couple or singles history or preference is on fab due to not being able to view their profile !

Thats my point.

And my point is that you know these risks and obviously accept them otherwise you wouldn't be swinging. "

Of course we aceept them, what we also do is make judgement calls on who we play with etc.

This debate isnt about US or whether we think we are morally high etc, its about the risks of bareback in the community etc and the potential impact it can have on others.

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By *laclkguyMan  over a year ago

Pontefract


"I am sure most of these women are actually men and most of those are also married as well. I pads over 99% of posts like this as being nothing more than fantasists, trolls or both.

Yes your probably right, however there are actually meets and profiles with clear pics of bareback, i know its a tricky subject matter but for me im just amazed that these women put themselves at such high risk ?

I was blocked by several people who I thought were (fledgling) good friends of mine - because I could see after closer examination of their pics/veri's that they were involved in bareback gangbangs. When I pointed out that this meant I wasn't interested in them sexually (condoms split/come off sometimes) but i'd be their friends - they took offence and blocked me! "

I've had the same problem myself,

you start to chat with a couple and make a date to meet and just before you swap numbers

you get that question "are you ok with going bareback ?"

you tell them that you don't do bareback and bingo your blocked

I even met up with a couple, we were getting on fine but as soon as I reached for the condoms the atmosphere cooled and that was that

if they like to play bareback then it is their choice but they have to be honest about it and not to con guys into going bareback with them

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By *inaTitzTV/TS  over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I see we are in the world of chapter headings being required for some of the posts. Never a good sign. Or alternatively, it is a sign of a thorough debate.

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By *irtycpl7980Couple  over a year ago

Northumberland


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

Plus how do you manage their offline sex? I don't only have sex through this site, and I'm pretty sure others are the same.

I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ??

We personally think that if they are BLATANTLY open about it then they are PROTECTING people from the risk! It's those that don't promote it that are the risk.

Besides people always talk about bareback as if it is the ONLY risk, whilst we appreciate the risk is increased, girl on girl where we have NEVER seen protection can transfer STD's along with MF oral sex. Do all those that condem others choices REALLY use protection even for oral especially in clubs?

Some may and we also play safe but we would not sit here condemning and then asking for their heads!

TIred of these threads, normally don't post or waste my time reading them but the fact that we all swing/swap partners we expose ourselves to risk. Do what you need and want to reduce the risk but do not be naive enough to think that you are so morally high that you are not open to risk and can judge others.

PS this is not a personal attack on you so please don't take it that way but merely a frustration with a perception that has permeated through the swinger society that others put you at risk. YOU PUT YOURSELF AT RISK DOING WHAT WE DO, we can only (as said before) reduce our risks.

WRONG !!! Yes we put ourselves at risk, however we dont just meet of fab, we meet at clubs also and would not be able to know what that couple or singles history or preference is on fab due to not being able to view their profile !

Thats my point.

And my point is that you know these risks and obviously accept them otherwise you wouldn't be swinging.

Of course we aceept them, what we also do is make judgement calls on who we play with etc.

This debate isnt about US or whether we think we are morally high etc, its about the risks of bareback in the community etc and the potential impact it can have on others.

"

We understand that, all everyone is trying to point out to you is that no one is exposing YOU to risk there is only YOU can expose yourself to that risk. No one would want to admit it but there will be people on here who have practiced safe sex but still contracted an STI (and not necessarily when swinging) because that is the nature of STI's. Demonising bareback will, as said by others, make people hide it more.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Of course we aceept them, what we also do is make judgement calls on who we play with etc.

This debate isnt about US or whether we think we are morally high etc, its about the risks of bareback in the community etc and the potential impact it can have on others.

"

but they aren't having a potential impact on others as it is up to others to choose whether to have sex with strangers or not. I.e. someone having bareback sex isn't impacting me. I am impacting my own health by choosing to have sex with strangers knowing there is a potential risk that they could have an sti.

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By *L RogueMan  over a year ago

London


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

Plus how do you manage their offline sex? I don't only have sex through this site, and I'm pretty sure others are the same.

I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ??

We personally think that if they are BLATANTLY open about it then they are PROTECTING people from the risk! It's those that don't promote it that are the risk.

Besides people always talk about bareback as if it is the ONLY risk, whilst we appreciate the risk is increased, girl on girl where we have NEVER seen protection can transfer STD's along with MF oral sex. Do all those that condem others choices REALLY use protection even for oral especially in clubs?

Some may and we also play safe but we would not sit here condemning and then asking for their heads!

TIred of these threads, normally don't post or waste my time reading them but the fact that we all swing/swap partners we expose ourselves to risk. Do what you need and want to reduce the risk but do not be naive enough to think that you are so morally high that you are not open to risk and can judge others.

PS this is not a personal attack on you so please don't take it that way but merely a frustration with a perception that has permeated through the swinger society that others put you at risk. YOU PUT YOURSELF AT RISK DOING WHAT WE DO, we can only (as said before) reduce our risks.

WRONG !!! Yes we put ourselves at risk, however we dont just meet of fab, we meet at clubs also and would not be able to know what that couple or singles history or preference is on fab due to not being able to view their profile !

Thats my point.

And my point is that you know these risks and obviously accept them otherwise you wouldn't be swinging.

Of course we aceept them, what we also do is make judgement calls on who we play with etc.

This debate isnt about US or whether we think we are morally high etc, its about the risks of bareback in the community etc and the potential impact it can have on others.

"

I feel real risk is not getting checked on a regular basis whether you practice safe sex or not. Most people are guilty of this and this has the bigger affect on the community than the sex itself.

*braces myself...

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By *uncpl2015Couple  over a year ago

Bridgend Area

Well at least they are honest an open about it. Gives us the chance to avoid but if they like it leave them to it and Concentrate on your own safe fun. More worrying is the ones that hide it i feel.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Ok gonna step away now, certainly an interesting debate Thanks for all the input

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I say let them get on with it if they enjoy it. Just let everyone know who they are so we know to avoid such folk."

this..

folks do mad shit every day..

'banning' them from the site is nonsense ..

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By *L RogueMan  over a year ago

London


"I say let them get on with it if they enjoy it. Just let everyone know who they are so we know to avoid such folk.

this..

folks do mad shit every day..

'banning' them from the site is nonsense .."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yes but you see it COULD impact on your life ! As you are in the lifestyle. "

Not really, put a condom on and don't play with open wounds e.g. shaving cuts. And you are about as safe as you can get for conventional sex. If that can't protect you while having sex with a person who has an sti then there is no hope anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Why assume that people with squeaky clean profiles DON'T do bareback gangbangs?

Person A has barebang gangbangs.

Person B has only had sex once in the last 10 years.

Do you really know which person you are meeting??!

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By *osieWoman  over a year ago

Wembley


"If it wasn't for bareback, I wouldn't be here.

Sorry. Bit crude! But as many have said, You are only responsible for your own sexual practices. The real safe is no sex. Everyone here is taking some kind of risk because of people's sexual practices outside of Fabs and there's no way of knowing that. Someone might preach "safe sex" but may do the opposite when meeting people away from Fabs.

As much as you are all nice people, just because you say you practice safe sex doesn't make it true which means it's always best to take your own precautions. To be honest, sometimes I think people doth protest too much. "

I am more wary of the saintly preachers than I am of those who openly declare that they practice unsafe sex

Just because someone takes a moral high ground does not mean that they are telling the truth. They may be bonking everyone senseless without insisting on a condom and just pretending here that are totally safe. They are the really scary ones

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By *inkxRabbitWoman  over a year ago

Mostly in GU24


"If your stupid enough to participate in this, you need help and not just for the STI's that you'd probably catch. "

This.

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By *inkxRabbitWoman  over a year ago

Mostly in GU24


"It may not be to your taste, but it's not illegal. A LOT of people in the world have bareback sex. It's not something you can police, really, you can just choose to not partake.

Anyway, they may still take precautions which are to their satisfaction.

This. I don't let their behaviour concern me to be honest. There are a lot if people in this world and we are all responsible for our own actions and if they don't impact my life then so what?

Yes but you see it COULD impact on your life ! As you are in the lifestyle.

How so? I assume everyone I meet hardbacks so I take precautions and I take a level of risk that is acceptable to me. If I didn't accept that there was some risk I wouldn't be in the lifestyle.

Keyword there is assume, im not having a pop just playing devils advocate

I don't get how they are impacting me though?

Because you are meeting, therefore you dont know the history of your potential meet ? Hence the risk. "

Exactly. You cannot believe anything you're told. I treat every guy I met as a health risk because it's have some explaining to do if anything were to happen.

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By *hatFellaNZMan  over a year ago

London

Using a car analogy (no riding puns intended)...

Operating a car comes with risk. Speed limits are set to minimise risk. You cant control how any other driver operates their cars. Most would claim to abide by the speed limit, some blatantly would claim not to. Some of them even take enjoyment from doing so.

Plenty of people have increased their risk of injury or illness by knowingly exceeded the speed limit. Some do it probably without thinking about it too much at all.

There are those who stick to the speed limit 100% of the time and still get fucked over by those who don't.

Then of course there's those who add alcohol to the equation, maximise the risk and suffer the consequences.

In reality, the only avoid to evade being screwed in an auto accident is to, well, avoid vehicles altogether. And uhh, hope that everyone on the highway is a licensed driver.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

You forgot to mention that most road fatalities happen at below 30mph and within a few miles of the victims home. Sometimes shit just happens!

Safe sex is the same you may meet someone who was in a 100 person bareback gb last night and they have no sti, but someone else who for once forgot the condom in a d*unken nightclub 1 on 1 pull has half a dozen sti's.

Protect yourself as best you can, and live well.

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By *osieWoman  over a year ago

Wembley


"...

Protect yourself as best you can, and live well. "

I think it is, "live long and prosper"

But agree with the rest of your serious post. Also, that condoms do fail. That is how unplanned pregnancies occur even with the use of condoms. Not all unplanned pregnancies follow the 2000 year ago model

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By *at-cWoman  over a year ago

Ballyshannon


"

behaviour of adults?

I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ?? "

I think those that hide it and those that force people to hide it are a bigger risk. When our ability to form an intelligent decisions is restricted then we are in danger! Let them shout it proud and be sure we hear them.

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By *ayla_BarebackTV/TS  over a year ago

central


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ?? "

************************************

I KNOW!

It's INSANE isn't it?

UNBELIEVABLE like

the fact that billions of people all over the planet SMOKE!

Yet everyone knows its highly detrimental to their health, it’s a major cause of lung cancer and in some cases causes death! It even affects innocent people around them yet they still do it, how selfish ...

INSANE like

consider that nowadays 7 out of 10 people die of cancer or cardiovascular complications yet the amount of people that eat fast food is huge! Some parents even give it to their children ...

Such self destructive behavior...

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By *are_is_okMan  over a year ago

tring

We can be cocooned in a world of self righteousness and pretend we don't see anything around us but mere fact is that we can do all the so called right things and simply not wake up the next day having had a life that we did nothing for ourselves... Let me not philosophise anymore and simply say that live life as you want and not be dictated by others... Each to their own but never criticise one or the other why you do this or the not... Enjoy life and cherish what you desire will not bother you but certainly do not bother me and my likes also...

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman  over a year ago

West Midlands

My daughter is a nurse

So speaking from my own point of view

I was almost murdered 8 years ago in the work place by a drug adict

I was in a coma for 3 months

I have had various spells of physical health and mental health issues since which have been resolved

So life's for living TODAY and only today

I'm tested every three months

My point is this

I don't smoke

I don't do drugs

I live a fairly risk free safeish life

And so I go bareback

It's as safe as crossing the street and not getting rrun over by a truck

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By *trawberry-popWoman  over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT


"I am sure most of these women are actually men and most of those are also married as well. I pads over 99% of posts like this as being nothing more than fantasists, trolls or both.

Yes your probably right, however there are actually meets and profiles with clear pics of bareback, i know its a tricky subject matter but for me im just amazed that these women put themselves at such high risk ?"

It's not just the women putting themselves at risk though. It's every individual there.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I agree bareback sex is ridiculous way to many risks, safe sex all the way. As for photos showing bareback they might actually be the couples themselves having sex so they wouldn't be using a condom

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I can't see the appeal to be honest.....

Last to stir the porridge at a bare back gangbang? No thanks

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It's all down to common sense.

Some people have it and will look after their own sexual health. And some who don't will risk it for a 10 min thrill.

I've only barebacked one in my life. He fathered my kids. We were together 11 yrs And he's the one that cheated and put my health at risk by bare backing others.

At least if they are open about it you can avoid them like the plague.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman  over a year ago

West Midlands

Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I agree bareback sex is ridiculous way to many risks, safe sex all the way. As for photos showing bareback they might actually be the couples themselves having sex so they wouldn't be using a condom "

A while back on another site I had a picture showing myself and one of my partners having bareback sex - we don't do it with anyone else and we get tested regularly, as do all our other partners.

All it attracted was other people who wanted bareback sex. They felt that displaying the pictures was basically an open invite to them. So now I have to question why you would display pictures like that if you didn't want to attract others for bareback, and as a result I prefer not to meet people who have bareback pictures displayed.

If I was to put any pictures of myself and my partner who I bareback with up, we'd put a condom on for the session. It's not exactly a hardship and it's less effort than getting a camera out.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

"

I don't think it's very pleasant to make out that people are making the wrong choice by erring on the side of caution.

Just because you take risks, doesn't mean that everyone else will find the same level of risk acceptable. It also doesn't make you right and them wrong. It just means you have different opinions and perhaps awareness from each other.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman  over a year ago

West Midlands


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

I don't think it's very pleasant to make out that people are making the wrong choice by erring on the side of caution.

Just because you take risks, doesn't mean that everyone else will find the same level of risk acceptable. It also doesn't make you right and them wrong. It just means you have different opinions and perhaps awareness from each other."

I didn't say that people were making the wrong choice by being cautious

But it's very very wrong for others to say that my choices are wrong because it's right for me and the people who I meet

Who are they to judge me?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

I don't think it's very pleasant to make out that people are making the wrong choice by erring on the side of caution.

Just because you take risks, doesn't mean that everyone else will find the same level of risk acceptable. It also doesn't make you right and them wrong. It just means you have different opinions and perhaps awareness from each other.

I didn't say that people were making the wrong choice by being cautious

But it's very very wrong for others to say that my choices are wrong because it's right for me and the people who I meet

Who are they to judge me?

"

I don't think they are judging you. All I saw above was people saying that they wouldn't be prepared to play with those that you have played with. that's not judging, that's protecting themselves.

However telling someone to 'clover themselves in cling film and say hail mary three times' is rather judgemental, just because they're not interested in having guys bareback them.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman  over a year ago

West Midlands


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

I don't think it's very pleasant to make out that people are making the wrong choice by erring on the side of caution.

Just because you take risks, doesn't mean that everyone else will find the same level of risk acceptable. It also doesn't make you right and them wrong. It just means you have different opinions and perhaps awareness from each other.

I didn't say that people were making the wrong choice by being cautious

But it's very very wrong for others to say that my choices are wrong because it's right for me and the people who I meet

Who are they to judge me?

I don't think they are judging you. All I saw above was people saying that they wouldn't be prepared to play with those that you have played with. that's not judging, that's protecting themselves.

However telling someone to 'clover themselves in cling film and say hail mary three times' is rather judgemental, just because they're not interested in having guys bareback them."

I disagree

Life's a risk

Using condoms won't protect you from STD'S completely

Ask any drug adict

Lifes a risk

And calling My play friends idiots is kinda judging both me and them actually

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

And there I was thinking that this debate had ran its course 6 weeks ago!

Your sexual health is your responsibility, however when your choices impact upon others then you have a moral duty of care towards those others. If no sex is the only safe sex then there can be no absolutes in swinging play.

This is a debate that cannot end and will only result in insults and aggression.

I will continue to protect myself as I see fit and in a manner that protects those that I chose to play with. I won't take unreasonable risks and I see others that do as cavalier as they're taking risks with my health potentially. My choice is to not meet with them or their meets

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

I don't think it's very pleasant to make out that people are making the wrong choice by erring on the side of caution.

Just because you take risks, doesn't mean that everyone else will find the same level of risk acceptable. It also doesn't make you right and them wrong. It just means you have different opinions and perhaps awareness from each other.

I didn't say that people were making the wrong choice by being cautious

But it's very very wrong for others to say that my choices are wrong because it's right for me and the people who I meet

Who are they to judge me?

I don't think they are judging you. All I saw above was people saying that they wouldn't be prepared to play with those that you have played with. that's not judging, that's protecting themselves.

However telling someone to 'clover themselves in cling film and say hail mary three times' is rather judgemental, just because they're not interested in having guys bareback them.

I disagree

Life's a risk

Using condoms won't protect you from STD'S completely

Ask any drug adict

Lifes a risk

And calling My play friends idiots is kinda judging both me and them actually "

Life is indeed a risk, using that an absolution for your risk is naive and irresponsible, that however is your choice

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

"

That's because they know no one will touch them with a barge pole if they do

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

I don't think it's very pleasant to make out that people are making the wrong choice by erring on the side of caution.

Just because you take risks, doesn't mean that everyone else will find the same level of risk acceptable. It also doesn't make you right and them wrong. It just means you have different opinions and perhaps awareness from each other.

I didn't say that people were making the wrong choice by being cautious

But it's very very wrong for others to say that my choices are wrong because it's right for me and the people who I meet

Who are they to judge me?

I don't think they are judging you. All I saw above was people saying that they wouldn't be prepared to play with those that you have played with. that's not judging, that's protecting themselves.

However telling someone to 'clover themselves in cling film and say hail mary three times' is rather judgemental, just because they're not interested in having guys bareback them."

Yep

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I see you ignored my questioning of your theory on Cancer being easier to get than a STI... You can't "catch" cancer, it's not contagious unlike herpes

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman  over a year ago

West Midlands


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

That's because they know no one will touch them with a barge pole if they do"

How come I get messages every week from happy Cpls on here who tell me that she won't meet you but I'd like to and let's not tell her shall we

Um

Explain that then

So not just irresponsible single men lie then do they

And I never meant to imply you can catch cancer

But statistically more ppl will get cancer than hiv any day

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By *eforfuncplCouple  over a year ago

Morecambe


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ?? "

Not a chance x too dodgy x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Oh god. Not a chance in hell x

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman  over a year ago

West Midlands


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

I don't think it's very pleasant to make out that people are making the wrong choice by erring on the side of caution.

Just because you take risks, doesn't mean that everyone else will find the same level of risk acceptable. It also doesn't make you right and them wrong. It just means you have different opinions and perhaps awareness from each other.

I didn't say that people were making the wrong choice by being cautious

But it's very very wrong for others to say that my choices are wrong because it's right for me and the people who I meet

Who are they to judge me?

I don't think they are judging you. All I saw above was people saying that they wouldn't be prepared to play with those that you have played with. that's not judging, that's protecting themselves.

However telling someone to 'clover themselves in cling film and say hail mary three times' is rather judgemental, just because they're not interested in having guys bareback them.

I disagree

Life's a risk

Using condoms won't protect you from STD'S completely

Ask any drug adict

Lifes a risk

And calling My play friends idiots is kinda judging both me and them actually

Life is indeed a risk, using that an absolution for your risk is naive and irresponsible, that however is your choice"

I'm neither nieve or irresponsible

It's an informed choice

Every std is treatable when caught early

Ask any sex worker

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ?? "

that's all I have to say about bare back gangbangs.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I am sure most of these women are actually men and most of those are also married as well. I pads over 99% of posts like this as being nothing more than fantasists, trolls or both.

Yes your probably right, however there are actually meets and profiles with clear pics of bareback, i know its a tricky subject matter but for me im just amazed that these women put themselves at such high risk ?"

Sometimes the bareback pic is with a partner/close trusted friend though and some can be recent and others old...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

That's because they know no one will touch them with a barge pole if they do

How come I get messages every week from happy Cpls on here who tell me that she won't meet you but I'd like to and let's not tell her shall we

Um

Explain that then

So not just irresponsible single men lie then do they

And I never meant to imply you can catch cancer

But statistically more ppl will get cancer than hiv any day

"

I don't understand your point? No one is denying that people lie but you phrased that like a grand master executing check mate!

I think you're missing the point that cancer develops and isn't contracted, stis are contracted exactly the way you're going. I'm sure that people that contract gonnorhea or HIV were certain that they wouldn't, just a thought

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

I don't think it's very pleasant to make out that people are making the wrong choice by erring on the side of caution.

Just because you take risks, doesn't mean that everyone else will find the same level of risk acceptable. It also doesn't make you right and them wrong. It just means you have different opinions and perhaps awareness from each other.

I didn't say that people were making the wrong choice by being cautious

But it's very very wrong for others to say that my choices are wrong because it's right for me and the people who I meet

Who are they to judge me?

I don't think they are judging you. All I saw above was people saying that they wouldn't be prepared to play with those that you have played with. that's not judging, that's protecting themselves.

However telling someone to 'clover themselves in cling film and say hail mary three times' is rather judgemental, just because they're not interested in having guys bareback them.

I disagree

Life's a risk

Using condoms won't protect you from STD'S completely

Ask any drug adict

Lifes a risk

And calling My play friends idiots is kinda judging both me and them actually

Life is indeed a risk, using that an absolution for your risk is naive and irresponsible, that however is your choice

I'm neither nieve or irresponsible

It's an informed choice

Every std is treatable when caught early

Ask any sex worker "

And any sex worker would say to use a condom! To use the health service as the safety net for your sexual preference is questionable

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Some years ago a very popular, both socially clubs, site socials etc and here on the forums contracted HIV, it was announced on these very boards.

Bareback was the perfered activity, it sent some running for the hills and others clinic bound.

It happens we just don't usually hear about it.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman  over a year ago

West Midlands


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

That's because they know no one will touch them with a barge pole if they do

How come I get messages every week from happy Cpls on here who tell me that she won't meet you but I'd like to and let's not tell her shall we

Um

Explain that then

So not just irresponsible single men lie then do they

And I never meant to imply you can catch cancer

But statistically more ppl will get cancer than hiv any day

I don't understand your point? No one is denying that people lie but you phrased that like a grand master executing check mate!

I think you're missing the point that cancer develops and isn't contracted, stis are contracted exactly the way you're going. I'm sure that people that contract gonnorhea or HIV were certain that they wouldn't, just a thought"

I'm not certain that I won't get it or anything else

I'm happy to take the risk safe in the total knowledge that all STD'S are treatable if caught early

And I get tested at the local gum clinic every three months with is on their advice

And they told me that statistics prove that I'm more likely to get cancer than hiv

Because I'm not in the highest risk group

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Wonder if there is any bareback gang bangs in London

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman  over a year ago

West Midlands


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

I don't think it's very pleasant to make out that people are making the wrong choice by erring on the side of caution.

Just because you take risks, doesn't mean that everyone else will find the same level of risk acceptable. It also doesn't make you right and them wrong. It just means you have different opinions and perhaps awareness from each other.

I didn't say that people were making the wrong choice by being cautious

But it's very very wrong for others to say that my choices are wrong because it's right for me and the people who I meet

Who are they to judge me?

I don't think they are judging you. All I saw above was people saying that they wouldn't be prepared to play with those that you have played with. that's not judging, that's protecting themselves.

However telling someone to 'clover themselves in cling film and say hail mary three times' is rather judgemental, just because they're not interested in having guys bareback them.

I disagree

Life's a risk

Using condoms won't protect you from STD'S completely

Ask any drug adict

Lifes a risk

And calling My play friends idiots is kinda judging both me and them actually

Life is indeed a risk, using that an absolution for your risk is naive and irresponsible, that however is your choice

I'm neither nieve or irresponsible

It's an informed choice

Every std is treatable when caught early

Ask any sex worker

And any sex worker would say to use a condom! To use the health service as the safety net for your sexual preference is questionable"

Not all sex workers use condoms no especially when they can earn more without

Again facts taken from a conversation at my local gum clinic

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central


" To use the health service as the safety net for your sexual preference is questionable"

I think we all use the Health Service is our safety net, even when taking the absolute care with sex and general life. Everyone using the health service this way helps provide a safer environment for others, as conditions that have been treated and cleared won't be being spread around.

There are also people who are on Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis (PrEP) programmes, as a method to reduce their chances of catching HIV and thus spreading it to others. So even with HIV there are people using the Health Service as a safety net for both themselves as well as other people they may shag.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

I don't think it's very pleasant to make out that people are making the wrong choice by erring on the side of caution.

Just because you take risks, doesn't mean that everyone else will find the same level of risk acceptable. It also doesn't make you right and them wrong. It just means you have different opinions and perhaps awareness from each other.

I didn't say that people were making the wrong choice by being cautious

But it's very very wrong for others to say that my choices are wrong because it's right for me and the people who I meet

Who are they to judge me?

I don't think they are judging you. All I saw above was people saying that they wouldn't be prepared to play with those that you have played with. that's not judging, that's protecting themselves.

However telling someone to 'clover themselves in cling film and say hail mary three times' is rather judgemental, just because they're not interested in having guys bareback them.

I disagree

Life's a risk

Using condoms won't protect you from STD'S completely

Ask any drug adict

Lifes a risk

And calling My play friends idiots is kinda judging both me and them actually

Life is indeed a risk, using that an absolution for your risk is naive and irresponsible, that however is your choice

I'm neither nieve or irresponsible

It's an informed choice

Every std is treatable when caught early

Ask any sex worker

And any sex worker would say to use a condom! To use the health service as the safety net for your sexual preference is questionable

Not all sex workers use condoms no especially when they can earn more without

Again facts taken from a conversation at my local gum clinic "

Sorry when talking about sex workers I was meaning those in the health care provision of sex, not escorts and the like

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

You can disagree with people without having to be rude. Saying things like "avoid you like the plague" is rude.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

That's because they know no one will touch them with a barge pole if they do

How come I get messages every week from happy Cpls on here who tell me that she won't meet you but I'd like to and let's not tell her shall we

Um

Explain that then

So not just irresponsible single men lie then do they

And I never meant to imply you can catch cancer

But statistically more ppl will get cancer than hiv any day

"

Embarrassment probably...

Oh we have now moved the goal posts to HIV instead of general STI's

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman  over a year ago

West Midlands


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

I don't think it's very pleasant to make out that people are making the wrong choice by erring on the side of caution.

Just because you take risks, doesn't mean that everyone else will find the same level of risk acceptable. It also doesn't make you right and them wrong. It just means you have different opinions and perhaps awareness from each other.

I didn't say that people were making the wrong choice by being cautious

But it's very very wrong for others to say that my choices are wrong because it's right for me and the people who I meet

Who are they to judge me?

I don't think they are judging you. All I saw above was people saying that they wouldn't be prepared to play with those that you have played with. that's not judging, that's protecting themselves.

However telling someone to 'clover themselves in cling film and say hail mary three times' is rather judgemental, just because they're not interested in having guys bareback them.

I disagree

Life's a risk

Using condoms won't protect you from STD'S completely

Ask any drug adict

Lifes a risk

And calling My play friends idiots is kinda judging both me and them actually

Life is indeed a risk, using that an absolution for your risk is naive and irresponsible, that however is your choice

I'm neither nieve or irresponsible

It's an informed choice

Every std is treatable when caught early

Ask any sex worker

And any sex worker would say to use a condom! To use the health service as the safety net for your sexual preference is questionable

Not all sex workers use condoms no especially when they can earn more without

Again facts taken from a conversation at my local gum clinic

Sorry when talking about sex workers I was meaning those in the health care provision of sex, not escorts and the like"

No apology needed

It's just a debate

My point is a verification proving someone does fuck bareback doesn't prevent those that do not go bareback from catching anything

People lie

Partners lie

That's all

I'm not saying my way is right or indeed best or in need of justification

It just suits me

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

That's because they know no one will touch them with a barge pole if they do

How come I get messages every week from happy Cpls on here who tell me that she won't meet you but I'd like to and let's not tell her shall we

Um

Explain that then

So not just irresponsible single men lie then do they

And I never meant to imply you can catch cancer

But statistically more ppl will get cancer than hiv any day

I don't understand your point? No one is denying that people lie but you phrased that like a grand master executing check mate!

I think you're missing the point that cancer develops and isn't contracted, stis are contracted exactly the way you're going. I'm sure that people that contract gonnorhea or HIV were certain that they wouldn't, just a thought

I'm not certain that I won't get it or anything else

I'm happy to take the risk safe in the total knowledge that all STD'S are treatable if caught early

And I get tested at the local gum clinic every three months with is on their advice

And they told me that statistics prove that I'm more likely to get cancer than hiv

Because I'm not in the highest risk group "

What if you catch something just after your test, looking at your veri's you have met loads of guys in the past 3 months plus all the ones you haven't shown on there... That's a lot of people you could have infected, then they pass it one and so it goes... But hey it's treatable so life is good. Some STI's lay dormant for years without symptoms and I bet most of these guys who do it in secret rarely get checked

Just sayin

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman  over a year ago

West Midlands


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

That's because they know no one will touch them with a barge pole if they do

How come I get messages every week from happy Cpls on here who tell me that she won't meet you but I'd like to and let's not tell her shall we

Um

Explain that then

So not just irresponsible single men lie then do they

And I never meant to imply you can catch cancer

But statistically more ppl will get cancer than hiv any day

I don't understand your point? No one is denying that people lie but you phrased that like a grand master executing check mate!

I think you're missing the point that cancer develops and isn't contracted, stis are contracted exactly the way you're going. I'm sure that people that contract gonnorhea or HIV were certain that they wouldn't, just a thought

I'm not certain that I won't get it or anything else

I'm happy to take the risk safe in the total knowledge that all STD'S are treatable if caught early

And I get tested at the local gum clinic every three months with is on their advice

And they told me that statistics prove that I'm more likely to get cancer than hiv

Because I'm not in the highest risk group

What if you catch something just after your test, looking at your veri's you have met loads of guys in the past 3 months plus all the ones you haven't shown on there... That's a lot of people you could have infected, then they pass it one and so it goes... But hey it's treatable so life is good. Some STI's lay dormant for years without symptoms and I bet most of these guys who do it in secret rarely get checked

Just sayin"

And that's their choice

They clearly accept the risk

Just saying

What if a plane lands on my head tomorrow

Risk isn't about prevention

It's about reduction

All not all of my friends go bareback not that you'd believe it so that's why I've told them to not verify me

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ?? "

Yes ban everybody who doesn't want to swing as you do.

Meeting strange men is very dangerous as you don't know what they're like so ban anyone who does that.

Women can be drug crazed bunny-boilers so lets ban that, just in case.

Ban anyone with any preferences that aren't acceptable by the PC state.

Stop moralising and come out of your nanny state glass house. If we agree or don't, people can make choices, just as they do to drink or smoke or take drugs, despite all the health dangers associated with.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman  over a year ago

West Midlands


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

Yes ban everybody who doesn't want to swing as you do.

Meeting strange men is very dangerous as you don't know what they're like so ban anyone who does that.

Women can be drug crazed bunny-boilers so lets ban that, just in case.

Ban anyone with any preferences that aren't acceptable by the PC state.

Stop moralising and come out of your nanny state glass house. If we agree or don't, people can make choices, just as they do to drink or smoke or take drugs, despite all the health dangers associated with."

So much better said than by me

Well done gf

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By *aro7Man  over a year ago

wickford

Hear, hare, here!

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By *rnortholtMan  over a year ago

Waveney Valley


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

Plus how do you manage their offline sex? I don't only have sex through this site, and I'm pretty sure others are the same.

I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ?? "

Sorry - but swinging is risky. If you want truly safe sex, you have to accept that means never playing with anyone other than your monogamous partner. I'm sure others will post about the risks of oral sex etc to those who askew bareback.

As for the popcorn reference - I think that was the earlier poster's way of saying this is a repeat performance of so many threads that have gone before.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

That's because they know no one will touch them with a barge pole if they do

How come I get messages every week from happy Cpls on here who tell me that she won't meet you but I'd like to and let's not tell her shall we

Um

Explain that then

So not just irresponsible single men lie then do they

And I never meant to imply you can catch cancer

But statistically more ppl will get cancer than hiv any day

I don't understand your point? No one is denying that people lie but you phrased that like a grand master executing check mate!

I think you're missing the point that cancer develops and isn't contracted, stis are contracted exactly the way you're going. I'm sure that people that contract gonnorhea or HIV were certain that they wouldn't, just a thought

I'm not certain that I won't get it or anything else

I'm happy to take the risk safe in the total knowledge that all STD'S are treatable if caught early

And I get tested at the local gum clinic every three months with is on their advice

And they told me that statistics prove that I'm more likely to get cancer than hiv

Because I'm not in the highest risk group

What if you catch something just after your test, looking at your veri's you have met loads of guys in the past 3 months plus all the ones you haven't shown on there... That's a lot of people you could have infected, then they pass it one and so it goes... But hey it's treatable so life is good. Some STI's lay dormant for years without symptoms and I bet most of these guys who do it in secret rarely get checked

Just sayin

And that's their choice

They clearly accept the risk

Just saying

What if a plane lands on my head tomorrow

Risk isn't about prevention

It's about reduction

All not all of my friends go bareback not that you'd believe it so that's why I've told them to not verify me "

You just made the very point that I've been saying, its about reducing the risk. I'd rather play without the risk of hurting others or myself.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

No apology needed

It's just a debate

"

This isn't really a debate. It's some people saying that other people are wrong.

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex


"

No apology needed

It's just a debate

This isn't really a debate. It's some people saying that other people are wrong."

Lol, you've been on the forums long enough to know that's the definition of debate round here

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

That's because they know no one will touch them with a barge pole if they do

How come I get messages every week from happy Cpls on here who tell me that she won't meet you but I'd like to and let's not tell her shall we

Um

Explain that then

So not just irresponsible single men lie then do they

And I never meant to imply you can catch cancer

But statistically more ppl will get cancer than hiv any day

I don't understand your point? No one is denying that people lie but you phrased that like a grand master executing check mate!

I think you're missing the point that cancer develops and isn't contracted, stis are contracted exactly the way you're going. I'm sure that people that contract gonnorhea or HIV were certain that they wouldn't, just a thought

I'm not certain that I won't get it or anything else

I'm happy to take the risk safe in the total knowledge that all STD'S are treatable if caught early

And I get tested at the local gum clinic every three months with is on their advice

And they told me that statistics prove that I'm more likely to get cancer than hiv

Because I'm not in the highest risk group

What if you catch something just after your test, looking at your veri's you have met loads of guys in the past 3 months plus all the ones you haven't shown on there... That's a lot of people you could have infected, then they pass it one and so it goes... But hey it's treatable so life is good. Some STI's lay dormant for years without symptoms and I bet most of these guys who do it in secret rarely get checked

Just sayin

And that's their choice

They clearly accept the risk

Just saying

What if a plane lands on my head tomorrow

Risk isn't about prevention

It's about reduction

All not all of my friends go bareback not that you'd believe it so that's why I've told them to not verify me

You just made the very point that I've been saying, its about reducing the risk. I'd rather play without the risk of hurting others or myself.

"

But you can't play 'without the risk' a reduced risk, yes

That's the barebackers point, the reduction in risk is for them pointless.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

No apology needed

It's just a debate

This isn't really a debate. It's some people saying that other people are wrong."

Spot on for what I've read. This applies to both sides...

You make your choices in life and don't have to justify them all the time so why make others have to. Making a one lifestyle utopia isnt going to happen accept it and move on.

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By *otsoSnowWhiteWoman  over a year ago

My Ice Castle! South Wales


"

I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ??

If they are open to it the swingers they meet know the risks?"

That's the thing if they are open about it others can make informed choices of who they meet. If there are driven underground by banning it you'll not know who is deemed "unsafe"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I might add that not all of my friends have left me verifications so there are shock horror

Men who've fucked me bareback that you all have no clue about

So... Cover yourself in cling film and say hail Mary three times

Because no one actually knows everyone's complete sexual history because people lie

Yes they actually lie

That's because they know no one will touch them with a barge pole if they do

How come I get messages every week from happy Cpls on here who tell me that she won't meet you but I'd like to and let's not tell her shall we

Um

Explain that then

So not just irresponsible single men lie then do they

And I never meant to imply you can catch cancer

But statistically more ppl will get cancer than hiv any day

I don't understand your point? No one is denying that people lie but you phrased that like a grand master executing check mate!

I think you're missing the point that cancer develops and isn't contracted, stis are contracted exactly the way you're going. I'm sure that people that contract gonnorhea or HIV were certain that they wouldn't, just a thought

I'm not certain that I won't get it or anything else

I'm happy to take the risk safe in the total knowledge that all STD'S are treatable if caught early

And I get tested at the local gum clinic every three months with is on their advice

And they told me that statistics prove that I'm more likely to get cancer than hiv

Because I'm not in the highest risk group

What if you catch something just after your test, looking at your veri's you have met loads of guys in the past 3 months plus all the ones you haven't shown on there... That's a lot of people you could have infected, then they pass it one and so it goes... But hey it's treatable so life is good. Some STI's lay dormant for years without symptoms and I bet most of these guys who do it in secret rarely get checked

Just sayin

And that's their choice

They clearly accept the risk

Just saying

What if a plane lands on my head tomorrow

Risk isn't about prevention

It's about reduction

All not all of my friends go bareback not that you'd believe it so that's why I've told them to not verify me

You just made the very point that I've been saying, its about reducing the risk. I'd rather play without the risk of hurting others or myself.

But you can't play 'without the risk' a reduced risk, yes

That's the barebackers point, the reduction in risk is for them pointless."

And I'm simply saying that to me that choice puts them and others at risk, its one thing to accept the risk for themselves but they can't speak for me and in taking these risks they are putting others in greater danger. I therefore won't meet them or those that they have.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

This thread is full of assertions which are not quantified. It would help everybody if we all new the actual risks.

How about we ask Sydney University to carry out the research?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This thread is full of assertions which are not quantified. It would help everybody if we all new the actual risks.

How about we ask Sydney University to carry out the research?

"

Over the years there have been some extremely clever people do debate/argue over risks with barebacking.

They having covered;

Porosity of the material used for condoms.

Some viruses are smaller than the minute holes present in condoms.

Condoms not being developed for group play.

Cross transference, all those fingers and thumbs, lips and tongues.

Unprotected oral and the risks involved, who just does oral and not penetration ? Makes the stats look iffy.

And I'm sure others could add to my short list.

The truth is they both have strong points, its why these posts keep popping up.

Take the condom out of the equation and you are left with sex, even group sex is safe where all involved are STI free.

Introduce a person infected with or without condoms and...well that's where the debates/arguments start, as, which I didn't know until recently, you can remain STI free after have sex with an infected person

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By *exy hot wife 84Couple  over a year ago

Stevenage

A bb gang bang sounds hot and right up my street

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"A bb gang bang sounds hot and right up my street "

Not quite the line this thread has taken

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By *exy hot wife 84Couple  over a year ago

Stevenage

I know! And really don't care! If i want to, i will! No one can say otherwise!

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman  over a year ago

West Midlands


"I know! And really don't care! If i want to, i will! No one can say otherwise!"

Quite right too

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I know! And really don't care! If i want to, i will! No one can say otherwise!"

Refreshingly honest, at least people will know where they stand with you!

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By *ee VianteWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I'd rather play without the risk of hurting others or myself.

"

You can't, unless you only play with people who have tested clean 6 months after their last intimate contact, including mouth swabs, and have had no intimate contact, including kissing, since the test.

In fact, even then they could be carrying risks that can't be tested for or which may not show up in tests, such as HPV.

Absolutely anyone who has had any sort of intimate contact, including kissing, could have a transmissible disease.

People who only bareback with their partner could have an STI. People who don't bareback at all could have an STI. People who have never had penetrative sex could have an STI.

Demonising barebackers, as if they are the only ones carrying or passing on STIs, makes no sense.

I don't bareback with strangers and I certainly wouldn't participate in a bareback gangbang but I'm also aware that doesn't guarantee I won't catch an STI.

I don't use condoms for oral and I know there are risks associated with that. I choose to accept those risks.

Anyone who has sex, gives or receives blow jobs or snogs another person is at risk of an STI.

It's all about how much risk each person is willing to accept.

Blaming everything on barebackers is ridiculous.

As for criticising barebackers who are "blatantly open" about it, any risks are no lower with those who aren't open about it, or with people who only bareback their regular partner who happens to be cheating and taking part in high risk activity on a frequent basis.

If bareback isn't your thing then don't do it. Feel free to avoid those that are open about doing it, but be aware that you could well be having direct or indirect contact with those who do it without you being aware of it.

The only safe way is to avoid absolutely all intimate contact. Failing that, assume everyone could have an STI and protect yourself accordingly.

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By *ee VianteWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ??

While I agree with you regarding the risks, I'm wondering how you suggest the site can police the private sexual behaviour of adults?

Plus how do you manage their offline sex? I don't only have sex through this site, and I'm pretty sure others are the same.

I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ?? "

Do you think the ones who are not blatantly open about it are a lesser risk?

How about someone on here whose partner, with whom they bareback, is, unbeknown to them, regularly partaking in high risk activities?

Does avoiding the open and honest ones and those that meet them protect you from catching an STI from anyone else?

People who don't bareback can catch STIs too after all.

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By *ifferent69Man  over a year ago

BRIGHTON, UK


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ?? "

i, d like to put my peneth worth in pls. Bareback gangbangs?? I,d be lying if I said my knee jerk reaction would be high interest, then common sence kicks in and tells me don,t so foolish.

Though in ladies / gents of these events . I,ve heard that one reason is the irritation by condoms on skin in past use.Therefore much prefer play without although they are fully aware of extra risks.

Though surely those participating inwatersports and Scatt( never of which I will ever understand) are equally at health risk??

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

i have read this thread with interest as i usually avoid the whole barebacking rights n wrongs debates.

So many valid points have been made the biggest 1's being PERSONAL CHOICE AND SAFETY

Having recently read a study on the alarming rise in STI's in the swinging community especially in married cpls who swing and bareback i always look at play pics closely n choose not to reply to request for meets if i cant see condoms but as the last thread said anyone can be carrying an STI n the only truly safe sex is with a faithful partner who has been tested at the same time you have.

Yes i am guilty as many are of indulging in oral without protection but i personally choose to keep myself as safe as i can so i attend my local GUM clinic bi monthly for full screens just in case i have been unlucky and picked up a nasty because i choose to indulge in this lifestyle

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I will return with some numbers which will allow peeps to quantify risk 'to some degree'.

In the meantime I think correspondents should be aware that few epidemiological effects can be characterised in binary terms, it is always far more complex than that, and very much depends upon the granularity of the dataview. So for example there is more than a 1000 times risk differential between an inner city 25yo and a rural 55yo, just caused by lifestyle and surrounding population. That multiplier increases as more behavioural details are included.

In the meantime having a witch hunt seems to be chosen way forward for some, just the thing which most people who adopt an alternative lifestyle should resist.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman  over a year ago

West Midlands


"I will return with some numbers which will allow peeps to quantify risk 'to some degree'.

In the meantime I think correspondents should be aware that few epidemiological effects can be characterised in binary terms, it is always far more complex than that, and very much depends upon the granularity of the dataview. So for example there is more than a 1000 times risk differential between an inner city 25yo and a rural 55yo, just caused by lifestyle and surrounding population. That multiplier increases as more behavioural details are included.

In the meantime having a witch hunt seems to be chosen way forward for some, just the thing which most people who adopt an alternative lifestyle should resist. "

I like your mind ??

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By *ee VianteWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ?? i, d like to put my peneth worth in pls. Bareback gangbangs?? I,d be lying if I said my knee jerk reaction would be high interest, then common sence kicks in and tells me don,t so foolish.

Though in ladies / gents of these events . I,ve heard that one reason is the irritation by condoms on skin in past use.Therefore much prefer play without although they are fully aware of extra risks.

Though surely those participating inwatersports and Scatt( never of which I will ever understand) are equally at health risk?? "

What do you believe the risks of watersports to be?

In a healthy adult, urine is a sterile fluid and if one does happen to have bacteria in one's urine, one would usually know.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ?? i, d like to put my peneth worth in pls. Bareback gangbangs?? I,d be lying if I said my knee jerk reaction would be high interest, then common sence kicks in and tells me don,t so foolish.

Though in ladies / gents of these events . I,ve heard that one reason is the irritation by condoms on skin in past use.Therefore much prefer play without although they are fully aware of extra risks.

Though surely those participating inwatersports and Scatt( never of which I will ever understand) are equally at health risk??

What do you believe the risks of watersports to be?

In a healthy adult, urine is a sterile fluid and if one does happen to have bacteria in one's urine, one would usually know."

However you wish to colour it or aim the evidence there is a greater risk with bareback than not. I don't wish to put myself at this risk so I won't frequent the bb gangbangs. I will also stay away from people who attend. I do find it ironic however that people demonize bi guys as being dirty and defend bareback

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"However you wish to colour it or aim the evidence there is a greater risk with bareback than not. I don't wish to put myself at this risk so I won't frequent the bb gangbangs. I will also stay away from people who attend. I do find it ironic however that people demonize bi guys as being dirty and defend bareback"

My understanding is that there is an increased risk from unprotected sex, the point I am making however is that the magnitude of that risk varies immensely with many factors. At the low end it may well approach background of what is generally acceptable, at the high end may well be alarming. Trying to lump a blame/idiocy descriptor on to all bb practitioners is not logically viable.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"However you wish to colour it or aim the evidence there is a greater risk with bareback than not. I don't wish to put myself at this risk so I won't frequent the bb gangbangs. I will also stay away from people who attend. I do find it ironic however that people demonize bi guys as being dirty and defend bareback

My understanding is that there is an increased risk from unprotected sex, the point I am making however is that the magnitude of that risk varies immensely with many factors. At the low end it may well approach background of what is generally acceptable, at the high end may well be alarming. Trying to lump a blame/idiocy descriptor on to all bb practitioners is not logically viable. "

Until I have a full demographic breakdown of someone's socio economic background and their partners then I will make judgements based upon their actions rather than anything else.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Risk needs to be quantified by considering its effect if the risk occurs.

If you go walking in the rain there is a very high risk you will get wet; but getting wet is not a problem for a human being so we don't care.

If you drive on the road there is a 1:24,500 Chance of dying in an accident but we take the risk because otherwise our life is restricted.

People living with HIV now have the same life expectancy as the normal population, albeit whilst on a drug regime. The chances of catching it are around 1:2,000,000 for an ordinary member of the public. (Bend this how you may for swingers)

Cancer kills 1:5 people in Britain so, statistically, if you smoke and have cancer in your family you might as well shag all day bareback as cancer will get you first.

It always seems to me that, irrespective of the actual impact of a disease, a STI is given special prominence because it is linked to sexual behaviour.

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By *ee VianteWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Ok so seen a few posts in the past and of late for bareback gangbangs etc and yes i know this subject has been debated before but.....

What makes me really think is are these women just plain crazy or is it lack of knowledge of the health risks ?? Should they be allowed on fab if this is something they promote ( from a safety point of view )

It juts seems utter madness to me! Each to their own i fully respect this but jesus surely this is just plain madness to put yourself at such a high health risk ?? i, d like to put my peneth worth in pls. Bareback gangbangs?? I,d be lying if I said my knee jerk reaction would be high interest, then common sence kicks in and tells me don,t so foolish.

Though in ladies / gents of these events . I,ve heard that one reason is the irritation by condoms on skin in past use.Therefore much prefer play without although they are fully aware of extra risks.

Though surely those participating inwatersports and Scatt( never of which I will ever understand) are equally at health risk??

What do you believe the risks of watersports to be?

In a healthy adult, urine is a sterile fluid and if one does happen to have bacteria in one's urine, one would usually know.

However you wish to colour it or aim the evidence there is a greater risk with bareback than not. I don't wish to put myself at this risk so I won't frequent the bb gangbangs. I will also stay away from people who attend. I do find it ironic however that people demonize bi guys as being dirty and defend bareback"

You've possibly already met someone who's been to a bareback gangbang or who has met someone who has. You have absolutely no way of knowing unless they tell you.

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By *ee VianteWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"However you wish to colour it or aim the evidence there is a greater risk with bareback than not. I don't wish to put myself at this risk so I won't frequent the bb gangbangs. I will also stay away from people who attend. I do find it ironic however that people demonize bi guys as being dirty and defend bareback

My understanding is that there is an increased risk from unprotected sex, the point I am making however is that the magnitude of that risk varies immensely with many factors. At the low end it may well approach background of what is generally acceptable, at the high end may well be alarming. Trying to lump a blame/idiocy descriptor on to all bb practitioners is not logically viable. "

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By *ee VianteWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Oh, and where has anyone stated bi men are dirty and defended bareback?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I was reading in the paper how some who have HIV will go to sex parties knowing they have this... now that's scary stuff.

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By *ee VianteWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"However you wish to colour it or aim the evidence there is a greater risk with bareback than not. I don't wish to put myself at this risk so I won't frequent the bb gangbangs. I will also stay away from people who attend. I do find it ironic however that people demonize bi guys as being dirty and defend bareback

My understanding is that there is an increased risk from unprotected sex, the point I am making however is that the magnitude of that risk varies immensely with many factors. At the low end it may well approach background of what is generally acceptable, at the high end may well be alarming. Trying to lump a blame/idiocy descriptor on to all bb practitioners is not logically viable.

Until I have a full demographic breakdown of someone's socio economic background and their partners then I will make judgements based upon their actions rather than anything else. "

Except you have no way of knowing what anyone's actions actually are. Or the actions of those they have met.

We've already established that even if they tell you, not everyone tells the truth.

I understand your desire to reduce the risk of catching something but practically, other than by direct methods you can control, such as always using condoms, you can't.

It's as simple as that. Other than celibacy or a strictly monogamous relationship with someone tested as clean, you're at risk of catching something.

You have no more idea of anyone's actions than you have a full picture of their socio-economic situation.

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By *ee VianteWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I was reading in the paper how some who have HIV will go to sex parties knowing they have this... now that's scary stuff. "

Some who have HIV believe they can't pass it on to anyone.

There is evidence that when the virus level is extremely low this may be possible but I would hate to be the exception that proves it's not always the case.

There is someone on here who is HIV+. He's open about it and he's also open that he will bareback. He's posted about it on HIV threads and bareback threads before. He believes he can't pass it on to anybody.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I was reading in the paper how some who have HIV will go to sex parties knowing they have this... now that's scary stuff.

Some who have HIV believe they can't pass it on to anyone.

There is evidence that when the virus level is extremely low this may be possible but I would hate to be the exception that proves it's not always the case.

There is someone on here who is HIV+. He's open about it and he's also open that he will bareback. He's posted about it on HIV threads and bareback threads before. He believes he can't pass it on to anybody."

Was in a sunday paper last year about this man he was hoping others would get it .. That's what I found scary a person going out with that in his mind.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


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I appreciate that and im only voicing an opinion, but do you not think those that are baltantly open about it are not putting other swingers at risk ??

If they are open to it the swingers they meet know the risks?

That's the thing if they are open about it others can make informed choices of who they meet. If there are driven underground by banning it you'll not know who is deemed "unsafe""

Classic.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'd rather play without the risk of hurting others or myself.

You can't, unless you only play with people who have tested clean 6 months after their last intimate contact, including mouth swabs, and have had no intimate contact, including kissing, since the test.

In fact, even then they could be carrying risks that can't be tested for or which may not show up in tests, such as HPV.

Absolutely anyone who has had any sort of intimate contact, including kissing, could have a transmissible disease.

People who only bareback with their partner could have an STI. People who don't bareback at all could have an STI. People who have never had penetrative sex could have an STI.

Demonising barebackers, as if they are the only ones carrying or passing on STIs, makes no sense.

I don't bareback with strangers and I certainly wouldn't participate in a bareback gangbang but I'm also aware that doesn't guarantee I won't catch an STI.

I don't use condoms for oral and I know there are risks associated with that. I choose to accept those risks.

Anyone who has sex, gives or receives blow jobs or snogs another person is at risk of an STI.

It's all about how much risk each person is willing to accept.

Blaming everything on barebackers is ridiculous.

As for criticising barebackers who are "blatantly open" about it, any risks are no lower with those who aren't open about it, or with people who only bareback their regular partner who happens to be cheating and taking part in high risk activity on a frequent basis.

If bareback isn't your thing then don't do it. Feel free to avoid those that are open about doing it, but be aware that you could well be having direct or indirect contact with those who do it without you being aware of it.

The only safe way is to avoid absolutely all intimate contact. Failing that, assume everyone could have an STI and protect yourself accordingly."

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By *osieWoman  over a year ago

Wembley

Many a loving hubby has written to me almost begging for sex whilst the 'chaste' swinger wifey is away at the in-laws with the offsprings. I bet the same loving hubby has written to other women too and perhaps one, only one, had unprotected sex with him

Once the wifey returns to the bliss-filled matrimonial nest, I bet he then doesn't use a condom with her

There goes the "long-term pertners are safe" wishful thinking bang out of the window

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